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Hi Herc,
Us brits have just been partaking in the annual fund-raiser Children In Need, an event where celebrities, singers and stars of various tv series get together and try and raise some cash for, you know, the children. The whole caboodle is televised live on the BBC, to an audience of around 11m (big ratings winner, decimated the opposition). And why am I telling you this? Because, like 2 years ago, the ratings peaked twixt 8.15 and 8.30 when they showed a special mini episode of Doctor Who.
The previous mini basically served as an RTD-scripted quickie intro to David Tennant’s 10th Doctor, bridging the gap between the end of The Parting of the Ways and the start of the Christmas Invasion. This time, the fan’s favourite writer (and rumoured show fore-runner for Series 5+) Steven Moffat has written a delightful paean to the show’s past. Entitled Time Crash, it sees the return of Peter Davison as the 5th Doctor, coming face-to-slightly-chubby face with the 10th. The coat might have been a bit tight, and the hairline has definitely receded, but it was great to see the return of the man whom I grew up knowing as my Doctor (as did Moffat and Tennant, judging by the obvious love for the man). The plot (such as it was for a 7 minute short) concerned the current doctor forgetting to raise the TARDIS shields, causing a collision in the time stream of the two TARDISES, a breach in the continuum and an imminent explosion/implosion. The actual story takes a back seat to the dialogue, which is fantastic. Some of the one-liners are really funny, from comments about wearing vegetables, to changing the desktop theme of the current console room (“Is this ‘coral’?”), even a sly gay quip at the Master’s expense (“Does he still have a beard?” “No. Well, he’s got a wife…”). Davison and Tennant are both actors who work well at speed, which means the 7 minutes fly by, leaving you wishing they could have saved the idea for one of the mooted hour-long specials that will fill the gap between Series 4 and 5. Chronologically, Time Crash takes place for the 10th Doctor right at the end of The Last of the Time Lords, ending with the spaceship Titanic crashing through the console wall again (the shields still being down). It isn’t specified where it takes place for the 5th, but Nyssa, Tegan and the Mara (from The Awakening) are mentioned, so around the start of Season 21 would be a good estimate.
Time Crash leads directly into this year’s Christmas special Voyage of the Damned, starring Kylie Minogue as Astrid (ooh! Anagram of TARDIS! Coincidence?), which in turn kicks off Series 4. Rumoured to be altogether lighter in tone than Series 3, this is what we can expect:
1) Unspecified aliens on modern-day Earth, which leads a certain Donna Noble (Catherine Tate) tracking down the man who saved her on her wedding day…
2) Planet of the Ood.
3) Pompeii/Vesuvius eruption episode – can the Doctor and Donna stand by and watch the destruction without warning the inhabitants of the doomed town?
4) Return of the Sontarons, as well as Martha Jones (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/sontarans/) part one of two
5) Sontarons, part two of two
6) The team meet Agatha Christie, this series’ historical figure
7) Not confirmed, maybe return of the daleks?
8) Part 1 of a new two-parter, maybe the return of the Master?
9) Part 2 of a new two-parter
10) Doctor-lite episode, hopefully more Blink than Love & Monsters
11) Not confirmed, maybe build-up to grand finale like Utopia
12) Grand finale part one, rumoured to feature the return of Davros (possibly played by Ben Kingsley), as well as returns from Captain Jack, Sarah-Jane and K9. And the kitchen sink, presumably.
13) Grand finale part two
So, all is looking rosy for the future of Doctor Who, a good mix of new and old enemies as usual. See you at Christmas!
If you use any of this, call me DimensionsPlural.
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Us brits have just been partaking in the annual fund-raiser Children In Need, an event where celebrities, singers and stars of various tv series get together and try and raise some cash for, you know, the children. The whole caboodle is televised live on the BBC, to an audience of around 11m (big ratings winner, decimated the opposition). And why am I telling you this? Because, like 2 years ago, the ratings peaked twixt 8.15 and 8.30 when they showed a special mini episode of Doctor Who.
The previous mini basically served as an RTD-scripted quickie intro to David Tennant’s 10th Doctor, bridging the gap between the end of The Parting of the Ways and the start of the Christmas Invasion. This time, the fan’s favourite writer (and rumoured show fore-runner for Series 5+) Steven Moffat has written a delightful paean to the show’s past. Entitled Time Crash, it sees the return of Peter Davison as the 5th Doctor, coming face-to-slightly-chubby face with the 10th. The coat might have been a bit tight, and the hairline has definitely receded, but it was great to see the return of the man whom I grew up knowing as my Doctor (as did Moffat and Tennant, judging by the obvious love for the man). The plot (such as it was for a 7 minute short) concerned the current doctor forgetting to raise the TARDIS shields, causing a collision in the time stream of the two TARDISES, a breach in the continuum and an imminent explosion/implosion. The actual story takes a back seat to the dialogue, which is fantastic. Some of the one-liners are really funny, from comments about wearing vegetables, to changing the desktop theme of the current console room (“Is this ‘coral’?”), even a sly gay quip at the Master’s expense (“Does he still have a beard?” “No. Well, he’s got a wife…”). Davison and Tennant are both actors who work well at speed, which means the 7 minutes fly by, leaving you wishing they could have saved the idea for one of the mooted hour-long specials that will fill the gap between Series 4 and 5. Chronologically, Time Crash takes place for the 10th Doctor right at the end of The Last of the Time Lords, ending with the spaceship Titanic crashing through the console wall again (the shields still being down). It isn’t specified where it takes place for the 5th, but Nyssa, Tegan and the Mara (from The Awakening) are mentioned, so around the start of Season 21 would be a good estimate.
Time Crash leads directly into this year’s Christmas special Voyage of the Damned, starring Kylie Minogue as Astrid (ooh! Anagram of TARDIS! Coincidence?), which in turn kicks off Series 4. Rumoured to be altogether lighter in tone than Series 3, this is what we can expect:
1) Unspecified aliens on modern-day Earth, which leads a certain Donna Noble (Catherine Tate) tracking down the man who saved her on her wedding day…
2) Planet of the Ood.
3) Pompeii/Vesuvius eruption episode – can the Doctor and Donna stand by and watch the destruction without warning the inhabitants of the doomed town?
4) Return of the Sontarons, as well as Martha Jones (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/sontarans/) part one of two
5) Sontarons, part two of two
6) The team meet Agatha Christie, this series’ historical figure
7) Not confirmed, maybe return of the daleks?
8) Part 1 of a new two-parter, maybe the return of the Master?
9) Part 2 of a new two-parter
10) Doctor-lite episode, hopefully more Blink than Love & Monsters
11) Not confirmed, maybe build-up to grand finale like Utopia
12) Grand finale part one, rumoured to feature the return of Davros (possibly played by Ben Kingsley), as well as returns from Captain Jack, Sarah-Jane and K9. And the kitchen sink, presumably.
13) Grand finale part two
So, all is looking rosy for the future of Doctor Who, a good mix of new and old enemies as usual. See you at Christmas!
If you use any of this, call me DimensionsPlural.
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nuff said
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Tegan and Nyssa are my fave comapnions
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or afro!
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Or did Davidson's Doctor seem a little off.
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...but Tom Baker is tops!
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Tom Baker was the best for my age group... each age range seem to have their faves.
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Actually, I liked Pertwee out of all the "older Doctors." So far, the relaunch (starting with Eccleson) has been a fantastic mix of the new and old.
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Will it ever show up on DVD somewhere?
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Tom Baker was my first Doctor, but Davison was my favorite...until Tennant came along!
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I really liked this despite it only being 8 minutes or so. I liked Davidson more in All Creatures and Tom Baker is my favorite Doctor but this was quite nice. I would have liked Davidson to catch on a bit sooner -- hasn't the Doctor just always known when he was meeting himself? (Although Colin Baker's didn't know who the Valeyard was)I'm both looking forward to and dreading the return of the Doctor. I miss new scifi but can't imagine how Tate is going to function as a companion.
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But I gotta go Baker and/or Pertwee as "my" doctor. Davison was already locked in my head as Tristan on All Creatures Great and Small before he took on the TARDIS.
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This was absolutely fantastic. I hope that when this show hits season 5 or so the do a good multiple doctors story. I think Sylvestor McCoy could still pull it off, and maybe with some makeup Colin Baker could too.
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Last I read was that Torchwood would start running in the UK in January. DVDs would come out after a month, but they are expensive. About $40 for four episodes.
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damn it. i dont even like the new series' that much, but every time they force me to take part to some degree because something too awesome happens. first it was daleks on my screen again. then it was cybermen. then it was daleks AND cybermen. then it was the master, although that one was a letdown in the end. and now its davros. i know perfectly well theyre using these to draw in older viewers on the same awesomeness nostalgia as me but i tune in anyway. only to the ones that count though.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LDhmr0Ij2k
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I enjoyed that,desktop wallpaper indeed :>.Captain Jack singing on the lottery show the other week was scarier than the whole first series of Torchwood put together http://tinyurl.com/yudwpx
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It is good to see that Tery Wogan is still a fat old twat with a bad wig...
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which happens to be a bit longer then the episode itself.
but who cares, davison rules, tennant rules, next xmas bring on the new "five doctors"!
oh yeah, the confidential: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCX96utSGFQ&
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so that davison would be in it.
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Tennant: "Where are you now? Nyssa and Tegan? Cybermen and Mara? Timelords, and funny hats, and the Master? Oh, he just showed up again. Same as ever." (I thought the point of Simm was that he _wasn't_ like the other Masters?) Davidson: "Oh no, really? Does he still have that rubbish beard?" Tennant: "No, no beard this time. Well, a wife." So, the slang term "beard" is used to refer to the wife of a gay man who isn't out of the closet who is using the marriage to hide the fact that he's gay. Did they just allude to The Master being gay?
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is from Kinda and Snakedance. The Malus is in The Awakening.
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D-A-V-I-S-O-N, not "Davidson". Peter Davison. It's been 25 years, don't you think you could get it right by now?? Especially if he's your "favorite Doctor". And it's SYLVESTER not "Sylvestor". Sheesh! You probably spell one of the others "John Pertwee", and I'm afraid to ask how you'd misspell "Tom Baker". Also, "beard" was hilarious, and I'm afraid John Barrowman was just terrible last night. That is all.
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"You were my doctor." Wow, Tennant sure can sell it. Baker will always be 'my' doctor, but this was fantastic. So obvious that Tennant was really talking about taking on the gig of playing the doctor and honoring his predecessors. What a great way to salute the rich Doctor Who past. Brilliant. Oh, and Strabo - it's a joke, don't try to overexplain it.
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It was great to see him back in his cricket jumper. Thank fuck it wasn't Sylvester McCoy they brought back.
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So I expect it was a sly jab at him.
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was the biggest load of old bollocks since Dimensions in Time. It would have made absolutely no sense to someone who hadn't seen the old series and just seemed to be self-serving fan-wank. Moffat is over-hyped anyway, but even for him this was very poor. I would imagine for the next Children in Need, Moffat will need to personally visit every Doctor Who fan and fellate them to provide a bigger fanwank than this.
It was brilliant to see Davison in his costume playing the Doctor again (he was "my Doctor" too), but the whole thing was rubbish. Why did it take so long for the 5th Doctor to work out who Tennant was, he was never that stupid in the old series. They should do a proper Davison story where Tennant gets de-regenerated to his fifth incarnation so we get Davison for almost the whole 45 minutes. It would be a great way of doing the episode they have every season where Tennant has a holiday. -
The post-rationalisation of why the Dr actors seem to generally get younger through the years was superb: That kids want to be older and adults want to be younger - great idea from Moffat. The truth is more likely to be that the BBC want to appeal to a younger, more image conscious audience.
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Thanks kwisatzhaderach! The Mara was indeed the big dodgy-looking snake thing from Kinda & Snakedance. Doh! This places Time Crash for Davison squarely in season 20. Guess I got distracted thinking about the lovely Tegan and Nyssa...
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I saw both Catherine Tate and Elisabeth Sladen filming an episode outside my office,in Cardiff, 3 weeks ago, no sign of Freema though.
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Is it just a cameo, or will she back back as a "full time" companion? Catherine Tate...no thanks.
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loved it! there was more heart in these 7 minutes than most shows ever have. But while Tennant says Davison was his doctor, I always thought he got most of his mannerisms from Tom Baker. Nevermind, great stuff once again by Moffat!
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rules.
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How about you try to enjoy a show instead of nitpick it to death? especially a lite entertainment little bit like this. Besides, you're dead wrong on Moffat... it's hard to "over-hype" the best writer the new show has. Unless, of course, you're just bound and determined to pick something apart and pretend your ideas are so much better than anything they've come up with just to make yourself feel superior.
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Also? "Does he still have a beard?" "No...but he had a wife" Best. Line. Ever.
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I certainly didn't. I just don't think any of Moffat's stories other than Blink have been as good as they're hyped to be. Empty Child was OK aside from those tedious Spock "jokes", but Doctor Dances and Girl in the Fireplace had all that tedious romance. Blink was brilliant, but I think that was because Moffat wasn't writing more soppy love stories for the Doctor.
I do try to enjoy the show, but calling the writing of Time Crash crap is hardly nitpicking. TC wasn't "lite entertainment", if I hadn't been watching Doctor Who since I was a child I wouldn't have had a clue who Davison was or what the hell Tennant was talking about. It was in-jokey fanwank that only made any kind of sense if you knew what all the euphemisms and self-references were about.
I'm not bound and determined to criticise the show to make myself feel superior. My criticism comes from the disappointment when the show squanders its premise with sub-standard story telling. My willingness to put up with crap stories ran out at the end of last season with RTD's rubbish Jesus like resurrection of the Doctor in Last of the Timelords. -
Spaceship Titanic? Astrid anagram of TARDIS? God-mother-fucking DAMMIT! I have GOT to stop reading this site. If those things are true, how much more exciting and interesting would it have been to find all this out while WATCHING THE FUCKING SHOW instead of knowing it going in? Fuck all the spoilers!
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I'm a cynical old bastard but even I have to draw the line at the Doctor Dances and Girl in the Fireplac being tedious. And the Children in Need thing, was indeed complete fan wank, and as a fan consider me well and truly wanked and happy for it.
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....or did Davison's doctor seem a little short-tempered? A bit out of character, if you ask me. Which leads to my next query: was this 'mini-sode' considered canon? I know it took place in the middle of the last seconds of the end of series 3, but it seemed a bit 'tacked on'. Has RTD or Moffat talked about it's canonicity?
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Wondering how a seven minute charity episode fits in with 40+ years of continuity.
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A randomly chosen fanboy can play K-9 and be led around by the collar by a leather clad, whip wielding Leela. "Whap! Whap! Bad dog!" "Yes, Mistress! Fucking ratings will soar!
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Much prefer Dr Who to Torturewood though
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Since David Tennant isn't available for the whole of Series Five, maybe they should work out a story where the Doctor gets a fresh set of regenerations via some unnatural, unplanned process. Have him get killed at the end of each episode and regenerate into a new guest star Doctor every week. The thirteenth and final episode of the series could have the Doctor fixing whatever gave him the new regenerations, and having him regenerate back into David Tennant at the end.
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more like the first Doctor - king of gruff. Although the end result was more nervous and ill at ease. They even alluded to that in this skit. As Davison grew into the charecter, the writers had the charecter chill out a little more.
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Cuz he can be construed as having a massive ego problem.
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Tedious romance in GIRL IN THE FIREPLACE? And here's me thinking the most tedious romances in the series were the two seasons of Rose going doe-eyed at the Doctor, then Martha going "ooh he doesn't notice me falling at his feet" all the way through season 3.
And as for Children in Need's Who being a fanwank... Why do you expect to see Doctor Who canon in an seven-minute segment set in the middle of a charity telethon? Of COURSE it's a fanwank - explaining how something can crash THROUGH the TARDIS for us tech-geek fans, giving the 5th Doctor back to his fans (and uber-fan Tennant) one more time, and giving us all some whip-smart cracking dialogue. THAT was a great mini-episode, and cements more than ever the reasons why Steven Moffat should be the showrunner of new Who.
With you all the way re the shitty finale to Season 3. Lazy-ass logic holes all the way through the three-parter. Fucking awful, and further proof that new Who's former saviour RTD is now officially the millstone around its neck. Get rid of RTD - the show can't get any worse, it could only get better.
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If the Doctor can keep mooning on about Rose Tyler for three fucking seasons (enough already!) then how come the Doctor doesn't remember any companions pre-Ecclestone? No mention of Grace, companion to McGann? No mention of Ace, still one of my favourite companions to the unfairly maligned McCoy? Nope, keep mooning on about the fucking chav. Bleaurgh.
I had hope for Martha... except that RTD didn't know what to do with her, and if she jumped instead of being pushed, obviously Freema must've seen that this was the case. Martha could've been one of the most interesting sidekicks in the whole series... but she was left out in the cold. Fucking unforgiveable.
And the smug, post-ironic smile RTD must have been giving himself after reading the online bile about casting Catherine "Megamouth" Tate in S4 as the companion will surely be wiped off his face when the new season of Who falls flat on its arse. There's only so far fans will bend to accommodate shit writing and shit ideas. RTD might think he's being clever by casting the one companion EVERYONE hated - let's see how clever this casting is come next spring.
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Bring in Davison and McGann to team up with Tennant. They are the most similar of all the incarnations of The Doctor. C'mon, make it a 2 hour episode too, scripted by Moffat. Hell, have them have to take on multiple Masters too... team up John Simm with Eric Roberts and Derek Jacobi.
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that would be better than seeing the Daleks for the upteenth time in such a short span of time.
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His run was unfairly treated due to the fact that he wasn't Tom Baker. It took Colin Baker for most fans to realize Peter wasn't so bad. I'm not sure what to expect from this season. Can a good Doctor overcome spotty writing and a terrible companion? Do we want to see even more Daleks? Tom Baker only saw them twice, and he had a run of a billion years. I hope Moffat's involvment in this throw-away might mean he will get to take over once RTD finally leaves.
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Though I don't really know anything about Doctor Who. Makes me wish we Americans had an unstoppably long series of series starring a hundred actors as the same guy...
So, I guess they've decided to make all versions of Who "real", and that all the versions and actors are actually the same guy, just changed somehow? Anyone care to explain? Sounds kinda like they could do with James Bond if wacky sci-fi was involved. -
It's a sad life someone leads when they can't even sit back for 7 minutes and enjoy a little slice of geek heaven. Thanks for the post! It was awesome to see Peter as The Doctor one more time.
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Hopefully they are kicking around the idea of a full-length or even multi-episode arc with Paul McGann.
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How on Earth do you manage to misspell "Sontaran" when the correct spelling is right there in the link you posted? :P
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The concept with the Doctor is that he is an alien who, when fatally injured, can regenerate. This basically enables the role to be recast every so often. So each incarnation of the Doctor is a "real" one, with differing characteristics each time as his personality changes along with his appearance.I, too, would love to see a proper McGann appearance in a multi-Doctor story. If only to tie the 8th Doctor firmly into continuity and to prevent him being the one-shot George Lazenby of Who. But I fear that this will never happen since the producers will think "well, we've done the two-Doctor story now. No need to do it again."
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Does anyone know if Baker has been asked to do a cameo for this series Either way, a great show. Tennant is a great Doctor.
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Simply have a flashback episode, a story that had ties to an adventure McGann's Doctor had, or show bits of the Time War, since it's assumed that it was McGann's Doctor who was fighting it (since it seems Eccleston was freshly-regenerated at the beginning of Rose). A multi-Doctor story without them ever meeting is easily, easily done and in my opinion the way it SHOULD be done. Oh, and a little less gaity, too, please. Thanks. We get it, RTD - some people are gay and there's nothing wrong with that. Fine. However, there's something wrong with bringing it up all the time. Capice?
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Technology isn't all that far off until the day when they can use footage of the old episodes to make a "Ten Doctors" special. That would be sweet. As much as I've enjoyed the revived Doctor I have to say that I'm really loving the Sarah Jane Adventures. Even though it is "for kids" it is by far the best of the current Doctor Who related shows.
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I can't think of anything else to say other than that! Bring on more Who!
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he voiceovers about half of british tv, is fat and has become such a pop icon that a who appearance would be camp self parody even if he didnt play the doctor. for these reasons, i fully expect rtd has approached him more than once.
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...usually the first one you saw when you started watching Doctor Who. That's why so many of us Yanks are crazy about big Tom Baker. The American invasion of Doctor Who on PBS started with Tom's first episode. So he IS the Doctor to most old school US fans. I remember all of us geeks gnashing our teeth when Peter Davison took over, as we'd never been through a regeneration before.
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If there are no more Timelords then is Romana dead as well?They could do a story with the 10th doctor finally telling a companion what happened, and have McGann return and bring back Lalla Ward (if she's up for it). BizzaroJerry, there have been several episodes involving the Doctor meeting himself. Before this one the 6th Doctor met the 13th (and btw last, since Timelords get 13 different bodies). Also 4 of the first 5 met during Davison's run in the early 1980's, and in the 1970's the first 2 joined the 3rd for a story arc.Moffet has been added to the list of my favorite TV and Movie genre writers. I love watching his stuff. "Girl in the Fireplace" was great just for the banana and the Doctor returning from the party.-----later-----m
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It had everything...funny banter, nods to the past, an explanation as to why past Doctors look older when they meet a current one, impending doom, my favorite new phrase "wibbly -wobbly, timey wimey", and a heartfealt confession from the 10th to he 5th Doctor that made be a bit misty eyed. Fanwank? Fanwank doesn't give you that warm feeling that you're watching a show that can transend time LITERALLY , by not only reuniting the new Doctor with an older one, but also reuniting your present day self with the 20 years ago version of yourself that you thought was lost forever. Time Crash was pure magic...in 7 minutes!
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Tom Baker was my favourite, tho Pertwee was easily the BEST. I always thought Davison was a bit weak, but then the NEXT guy was even weaker and.. well.. anyway another five doctors would be nice but the first time round didn't really amount to much and I imagine it would be even harder to gather together all the Doctors and companions you'd need to get something like that off the ground...
Oh yeah - I think the beard/wife thing was a reference to the idea (let's call it "folk psychology") that a beard is a distancing technique and that shaving off the beard (or any body hair) is to symbolically annihilate this boundary, separating Self from Other. A lot of women (not all!) hate kissing guys with beards and the implication suggests to me that she made him do it. I didn't think the allusion was that the Master is gay... -
not that there's anything wrong with that
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Yes, bring Leela back very quickly so I can re-live my 12 year old boys first erotic fantasies....please?
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Catherine Fucking Tate. What was he thinking??? The first episode should end with the Dr accidentally parking the tardis in her fat, useless, chavish, unfunny, overexposed, whiny yap. The treatment of Martha looks an awful lot like they didn't have a clue what to do with the character as she was only ever intended to be a stopgap- before Bridezilla took over full time. Yuck.
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That 'new' Sontaran is looking more like Mr. Potato Head than ever, and a bit short, let's hope they don't try giving them a catchphrase like they did with the new Cybermen...
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@MGTHEDJ: here's an idea. Bring back Lalla as Romana. Then you do what happened with Mary Tamm when her Romana took on the form of Princess Astrid. Have Lalla transform...into Billy Piper. That way, the fans get to have her back, Piper can play another part, and having Romana look like Rose will really screw up the Doctor's psyche.
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@MGTHEDJ: here's an idea. Bring back Lalla as Romana. Then you do what happened with Mary Tamm when her Romana took on the form of Princess Astrid. Have Lalla transform...into Billy Piper. That way, the fans get to have her back, Piper can play another part, and having Romana look like Rose will really screw up the Doctor's psyche.
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Nov 19, 2007 8:26:59 AM CST
I love that Moffat actually explained the change in Five's appea
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When more than one Doctor appears, it causes the time differential to be shorted out, aging the oldest one. Another brilliant idea, Mr. Moffat.
Now we really need a "Four Doctors" story with Davison, McCoy, McGann and Tennant. I'd prefer to have Eccleston instead of McCoy, but Sylvester is probably more willing to reprise his Doctor. If they could get Eccleston as well, then get a Hartnellesque actor to portray the First Doctor for a "Six Doctors" story.
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This episode is presumably part of the 'official' canon, just as the previous 'Children in Need' special. That 7-min short was part of the extras on the Season Two DVD set, so, hopefully, this one will be an extra on the next set which probably wont be around for a full year. Damn it.
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The only comments about Doctors 1-4 were from the Tenth, who just said that he tried to be "old and grumpy like you tend to do when you're young." That wasn't a dig, just an observation that the first four were older and less agreeable. Which they were.
And Davison did act the way he did in the original series, but if you ever watched "The Five Doctors," then you know that the Doctors rarely get along well with one another. And the "desktop theme" line was fine, so stop being so old and grumpy.
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...that as he's gotten older, his regenerations have been progressively younger. Like others earlier in the TB, I really like this idea. So, after Tennant leaves, how about James McAvoy for the new Doctor? He's eight years younger than Tennant. He's already proven he can do genre work (he was the best thing in Children of Dune). He can also do "serious". A young stern actor would be a nice melding of the younger and older Doctors, while breaking the trend of two goofy/manic depressive Doctors in a row. Also, I think Moffat could do _great_ things with him.
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The Operative from Serenity for the new Doctor. Hey, give a brother a chance, yo! Plus he has the coolest demeanour in SERENITY. A badass Doctor who doesn't chew the scenery.
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I must admit, I had a few doubts about Time Crash when I first heard about it. I was pumped, but also worried that Davison might be just a little too old. For the most part, Moffat and company pulled it off. Would have been nice to have an hour long or two-parter. Let's face it, this could be the last time they use a doc from the original program. I hate to see the moment wasted on 7 minutes. Oh well. That's more than I thought we would get. Davison and Tennant were fantastic. I would agree that Davison seemed a little out of character at times. That said, Moffat didn't write for the old program, and Peter's been out of the role since 1984. Only nitpick I have with Moffat's writing(though not as much as with RTD) is the pop culturey, sit-comsy dialogue in some spots. Like I said, it's a nitpick. I think the ep did a fine job of quickly explaining peter's older appearance. Otherwise it would have been some sort of makeup or expensive cgi de-youngifcation process. Still not crazy about wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey. Fits better in Red Dwarf if you ask me. As for the favorite Doctor debate. This old American fan started watching for sure in 1984 on St. Louis PBS KETC 9. I was living a few miles outside of a town that had the station, but we didn't have the same provider in my rural neck of the woods. It's possible, I saw a few when visiting friends in 1983, but mostly starting in 1984. Not sure who my first doc was. Might have been during the end of Peter's first US run(Caves of Androzani) Needless to say, I loved it. I seem to remember they started showing the remaining Hartnell's and Troughton's, or they may have hopped back to the beginning of Pertwee's run. Either way, I liked them all. Eventually, Tom Baker was shown again, and the entire Davison run again, followed by Colin's new ones, and McCoy later on. Back in the day, I especially liked Baker, Davison, and Pertwee, but also Troughton and Hartnell. Was also in the minority who liked C. Baker, and to some extent McCoy. McCoy had the misfortune of getting saddled with many shitty stories. There were a few gems, and Ace was a good Rose pre-cursor, I think. How would I rank the old Doc's(no concrete order here)but I'll try...Neck and neck for T. Baker, J. Pertwee, and P. Davison, followed closely by P. Troughton and Colin Baker, and not too far off...Bill Hartnell and McCoy. I found something good in all of them. A lot of people rag on P. Davison, and the later actors. Come on! These guys had to fill Tom's shoes. That was no easy task. Even Tom's last season or two lacked some of his comedic antics-due to J.N. Turner, but the stories were still good. Where would I place Eccleston, Tennant, and McGann? That's no easy task. Would probably still keep my T. Baker, Pertwee, and Davison with Eccleston(probably a little better than Tennant) and Tennant on their heels(at least) Then again, Troughton was also quite good. See, it can't be done. Just a few more comments. New program is at least 70 percent great for me. Moffat needs to replace RTD. RTD has done a decent job of bridging the old show to the new program, but Moffat will make it feel more like it's predecessor. Perhaps, a little less pop-culture, agenda jokes, and a little more of that old feel would help. This isn't Coupling, or Red Dwarf(totally love it)...this is Doctor Who. Catherine Tate returning...uugghh. She will taint the 4-6 strong stories of the next season. Who wants her standing there with a possible pre-wheel chair Ben Kingsley Davros? I don't. Hopefully, they'll scale back the Caesar Romero Joker moments with the Master. Otherwise, I liked John Simm. As for the possible return of Sara Jane, I think it takes away from the wonderful parting moment in school reunion. I'm all about occasionally bringing back some old show elements, or characters, but it shouldn't be overdone. It makes those moments less special. That said...Nicholas Courtney anyone? Maybe a story that focuses more on UNIT instead of Torchwood? A somewhat aged Romana II in N-space or E-space or wherever she stayed? Lalla appears in one or two ep's then a regeneration into a new actress? Sounds cool, but it might take away from the Doctor and the Master being the two remaining Timelords. Would love to see a DW special featuring McGann during the Timewar with regeneration into Eccleston. Just my thoughts.
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I enjoyed reading your post. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and i'll be looking out for you on the TBs when season four of DW begins.
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ANGRY: Take your pick from several TARDIS interior scenes featuring the Fifth Doctor arguing with Tegan and/or Adric, or when dealing with the High Council on Gallifrey.
MANIC: Take your pick from several TARDIS console room scenes where the Fifth Doctor rushes to move the TARDIS away from danger or tries to explain to a companion what's going on while trying to cause or prevent something from happening.
And since Steven Moffat is a hardcore fan of Classic WHO, there's no way any "dig" was intended to overly mean or malicious. Or were all those digs about Ten's skinniness, the new set, Ten not having his TARDIS' shields up, and in-jokes about Tennant being a fanboy mean and malicious as well?
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I loved the Sixth Doctor. He was a psychological mess. `Always shouting at Peri and insulting people... I loved it! He was such an anti-hero.
My favorite companion is harder to nail down (oh, I shall resist the urge to make with the lewd joke...) but I have to say ultimately it's Ace. I liked Peri, but she mostly screamed and cowered in response to Colin's Doctor. Mel was almost useless. I never really got into Tegan, Sarah, or any of the older ones. I actually like the chav some of the time, and I REALLY liked Martha... But Ace is my girl. She was cute, looked great in tights, liked to blow things up, and was a great contrast to McCoy's Doctor (whom I also liked quite a bit, and would like to have seen continue). The only thing I don't like about Ace is that she'd fuck Sabalom Glitz. I mean-- Eeew! Of all the men in the space-time continuum, she gives it up to GLITZ?!?! At least Peri was getting some King Yrcanos on the side... But a spineless, tubby, unattractive sleaze like Glitz? Dorothy, where's your sense of pride? -
She was definitely the best companion and was certainly the prototype for Rose although Ace was more capable of defending herself in situations. I liked the fact that the she didn't take shit from anyone including The Doctor (for whom she was a great contrast as you say).I too liked Martha and I'm really upset that we're going to lose her for a few episodes in exchange for Donna. Christ, even saying her awful name makes me grit my teeth.
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Mr. Monkey, I appreciate your comments, and will try to come around for the next season of Who to chat about this and that. I babble more than anything. But, there's a lot for a 24 year Who fan to say. hehe As for Colin Baker, count me as another fan. Not my top favorite, but he's up there. I totally liked him. Looking back, his coat was atrocious.
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Leela was the OG. Leela the Savage was the prototype tough female character that made its way all the way into influencing Buffy. But having said that, I'd choose Peri (fauxmerican accent or not) and Grace over the other companions to travel with, as long as K-9 was there too.
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You're exactly right. I just felt Ace was the Rose precursor in other ways. Not saying Ace was my top favorite, but she's sort of up there. I thought Barbara and Susan were okay. Ian Chesterton was better. I'm sure I'll forget a few along the way, but here it goes. Victoria,Ben and Polly, Sara Kingdom were alright. Stephen was pretty decent. Dodo Chaplet...a little lower on the list for me. Jamie McCrimmon was awesome, and there was definately chemistry between him and Pat Troughton. Zoe was better than some of the older female companions. Moving on to the Pertwee era...Liz Shaw was a good intellectual companion, but not my all time favorite. Of course, who didn't love the Brigadier, Benton, Yates, and U.N.I.T.? Jo Grant was a screamer, but a good one. Sara Jane Smith was always a personal favorite. Harry Sullivan was great, but short lived. Leela brought something new to the table. Wonderful companion. Was also very found of Romana I and Romana II. Lalla Ward probably a little better than Mary Tamm, but loved em' both. Adric was okay for the most part. The guy did his lines, and was at the mercy of the writers. Much like the oft-maligned Wil "Wesley Crusher" Wheaton. Sure there were some cheesy moments for both, but they weren't so bad. Nyssa and Tegan would come along next, and I enjoyed both. Not just for looks either. I thought Turlough was an interesting choice. Always liked him. Chamelion was pretty cool. And, then there's Peri. Definately(and even more so than Lela) The cleavage queen of Doctor Who. Yes, there was the matter of the fake accent, etc. But, I thought she was okay, even beyond the bathing suit, and plunging necklines. hehe Mel would come along near the end of C. Baker's short run. Nothing against Bonnie Langford, but Mel did nothing for me. One of the few companions who didn't. Ace followed her, of course. Loved Ace. She and McCoy(despite not being my all-time favorite Doc) managed to help offset some of the worst written episodes in the program's history. Not all were bad, but there were a few stinkers. Anyway, Ace got to be tough, and independent. Perhaps over-rated, perhaps under-rated. Either way, I liked her. We're up to Grace. I thought she was okay. Too little to go on from the 1996 Fox Doc Who. Let's face it, that movie had it's highs, lows, and in between. As for the new program, I mostly liked Rose. She got a lot of depth that most of the older companions didn't. Sometimes too much family stuff, but in the end it mostly worked. The parting of the Doc and Rose was fantastic. Moving on the Martha, she started out strong, and then I think the writers didn't know what to do with her. Didn't like the fact that she was also swooning over the Doctor. We had Rose, then Martha, the Girl in the Fireplace romance, and in Human Nature. Didn't mind it from Rose too much, or in Fireplace, and Human Nature, but it's a storyline that's been played out. Anyway, that's my take on the companions. Oops! Forgot K-9, and at least one or two others. Also, I felt the private investigator (Dugan) from Tom Baker's City of Death episode would have made a good short-term companion.
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On the subject of Donna joining season four. I like that even less than I do that RTD isn't leaving the program until after this season. She was tolerable at the end of the Christmas special, but I doubt I'll like her if she gives us more of the same from the x-mas special. Thanks again for that great bit of casting, Russel.
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Oh yes. I must have made love to that woman hundreds of times. Granted she wasn't actually there with me at the time...
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