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McTERMINATOR!!
Merrick here...
Moviehole says TERMINATOR SALIVATION...err...TERMINATOR SALVATION: THE FUTURE BEGINS now has a director. "Now has a director" meaning the deal is signed & it's official.
And the culprit is...
Joseph McGinty Nichol. "McG"!
McG has been seen as the front-runner for the gig for quite some time; Moviehole says the deal is done. McG directed the two CHARLIE'S ANGELS movies, then tried to make up for them with WE ARE MARSHALL. He's also connected to the series CHUCK, currently on NBC.
"McG". Sounds like something you'd get in a biggie-sized meal at a drive through.
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Not cool news!
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Thanks for that timely and trenchant observation!
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...to think he's right for Terminator
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this is not looking good..
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no one cares about this, even the people who are forking over the money to do it. its just sad, really.
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I don't like to judge a movie before it comes out... I know... that's unheard of around here... but McG? Really? Well, maybe this is another attempt at making up for the Charlie's Angels flicks. Here's to hoping.
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REEdickULOUS!!! this guy is awful!
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Fuck this shit, i want my imminent JLA news.
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... I can't believe my god damn eyeballs. This is fucking pathetic.
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Even brett ratner would have been better
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He will always annoy the shit out of me until he gets rid of that douchey monicker. Having a douchey nickname is one thing, but using it in your credits takes it to an all new level of doucheyness.
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...even Uwe Boll would do...
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James Cameron to McG...Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
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He needs to be stopped. He's the next Michael Bay. Quick SkyNet - send back a T-1000 to sort him out.
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Let's exhume the festering rotten corpse of a franchise that was brutally snuffed out when they tried to make it "sexy" in the third one and bore some holes so we can all enjoy the disease ridden, squelchy goodness of Hollywood magic together.
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oh wait. Yes it can. Yes it very well can.
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Just my opinion.
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I POSTED THIS DAYS AGO! WHO CARES TTHIS IS STILLL TERRIBLE NEWS! AWFUL. HORRIBLE. WHY AM I TYPING IN CAPS? I DONT KNOW!!!
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Nov 16, 2007 8:55:25 AM CST
First Mostow now McG. Do they WANT to make good movies??????
by performingmonkey
I still can't get over the fact that Jonathan Mostow was allowed to direct T3. It's like 'hmmm, who should be get to follow Cameron...I know, the guy who directed U-571!' HOW was that decision made??? Surely other people, people with TALENT, would have been lining up to direct. OK, it isn't as bad as it could have been, but it could also have been SO MUCH BETTER! Now T4 will suck copious ass because they've got a Supernatural and OC producer in the chair instead of someone who knows how to pull off something of this size and coolness. KISS GOODBYE TO THIS MOVIE FRANCHISE (the series could be good though)
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Aw, hell no!
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1. WHY DOES THIS MOVIE EXIST?!
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Now I want McDonalds.
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Will T4 look like a glorified made-for-tv movie like the third one? I'll just keep my fingers crossed.
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Firstly, anyone that goes with a name like that, in my humble opinion would seem to be a total cock gobbler. Does he thinks it makes him sound cool or something? If anything, it's the total opposite. My love for this franchise has now been totally killed of. It started with part three. Now its journey to the shit side is complete. If big Schwarzenegger has any sense at all, he shouldn't go anywhere near this radiated turd of a movie. I'm not a negative person in general, but my Spidey senses are telling me that this suck harder than a Russian hooker on rent week.
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SAVE USSSSSSS!
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Mostow was bad enough, but McG? You sick bastards.
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he's connected to the pretty good CW show "Supernatural" as well.
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How fucking depressing.
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And when the fuck are we getting our Indy 4 teaser trailer!?
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Nov 16, 2007 9:13:01 AM CST
Not that concerned... it's Terminator 4 for fuck sakes..
by boondock devil
Plus it's pretty much a sure thing that Arnie won't be involved. Not to mention they're already whoring the license out for a TV series. The damage has been done and there's nothing more that hollywood can do to fuck it up any worse.
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With McG at the helm the series will probably kick much more ass considering it's got Summer Glau as a hot young good terminator. If your going to get away from Arnold it's a better idea than hiring just another muscle bound guy to imitate him.
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This franchise is long dead and now "HOT WHEELS's" McG is set to take it on.What a fu*king jerk.
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Meant with McG at the helm of the movie...
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no more sequels for franchises that should have died in the 90's!!!
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They just lost my £8, the series ended with T2 as far as I'm concerned. Good day to you all.
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I mean I don't particularly like venting spleen on directors, but when it's such a major and iconic genre franchaise handed over to an ADT impaired MTV hack any self respecting geek would be pissed off. Those fuckwit suits should have approached more leftfield, hungry and talented directors such as Aja, Norrington, Stanley, Cuaron etc. This is lousy news.
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I do.
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I know he's been pretty shit recently, but the guy has directed some great action movies, including possibly the greatest. Die Hard.
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...then he can squash this thing from being made. Do it, Arnold. DO IT!
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terminator, aliens, predetor, ghostbusters, indiana jones, and friday the 13th.
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Good call with Norrington, there is definite genius in that man, though it's not been fully realised yet. I wouldn't mind seeing McTiernan getting a shot, he was the only western action director to rival Cameron once.
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Might be hard for McTiernan to direct unless his prison has a REALLY good work release program.
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It's the Alien franchise all over again.
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damn english
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Or anything else. Let this be the Batman & Robin of the Terminator franchise!
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Nov 16, 2007 9:25:21 AM CST
If Arnold can't stop the strike, how can he stop the machines?
by harryblackpotter
"See you at the party, Victor!"
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I never ever thought I would say this... EVER: Give me Michael Bay!
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does sound really good right now. They stop serving breakfast at eleven so I think I will go grab myself a couple of those delicious sausage egg mcmuffins. Granted, a deleterious digestive quagmire will ensue, but sacrifices must be made to appease the taste buds. BTW, do you think the studio will secure a contract with McDonalds to promote this movie to take advantage of the director's surname?
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Thanks Lord.
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How many slow motion, high jumping wire-fu shots will we have to suffer through! Get Neil Marshall instead!
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.... anyone is better than McG... Hell give me Rob Reiner at this point.
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Nov 16, 2007 9:38:12 AM CST
Anyone see the freaky Sarah Connor Chronicle posters?
by the ageless stranger
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20160052,00.html
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When I read McTerminator I instantly thought "holy crap they got McTernienan", i had totally forgeooten McG was in consideration, please no, not McG, he's wrong, he's too bright, too light, Terminator needs to have a dark atmosphere
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is the mother fucker that they need to get to direct this shit. Yeah I know, he wouldn't do it in a billion years. But god damn... that would be fucking amazing.
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I'll watch it just for Summer Glau!
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Is not only the best terminator film (some people might debate that the first is superior) but is also one of the greatest action films ever made. Only Cameron could pull off another miracle.
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Point Break was brilliant - if a little bit gay.
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That's a good fuckin' show.
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... that Cameron directed the first one as well. But to me, T2 is the cornerstone of the franchise.
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don't ask me how I could possibly know that
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didn't read the article
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... can't he push thru a resolution to officially STOP this thing from happening? That or call out the California National Guard to shut down filming once it starts.
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Did I mention this is bad?
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Like T3 didn't stink like yesterday's turd. Get this hack away from this franchise !!!!
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the screenwriter of this, Michael Ferris, has a website where he helps people get their scripts/short films to his agents and managers: http://tinyurl.com/2azpjv
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But at least they've picked someone who should be able to pull off big actions scenes with big robots shooting at stuff... wait a minute, why didn't they just hire Michael Bay? He's good at ruining robot franchises, he could have put some flames on the Endoskeleton, redesigned it so it looks nothing like Stan Winston's iconic look and then released it as a PG summer blockbuster with eBay jokes. The money would roll in as the retards pay to see lots of explosions and Megan Fox's tits.
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here we are once again. The haters a spilling venom over a movie that has yet to film on frame of celluloid. What is the averager age of the talkbakers here? Not old enough to realize that MCG is a technically proficient director who is probably pretty well suited for a glorified bmovie about robots taking over the world. Get a fucking grip.
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God is dead.
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I don't understand why people say she is.
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Terminator films are dead. Arnold is a leathery old politico with a pot belly and bouffant hair; it's over people; go home.
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I have not see We Are Marshall, however, I have seen the utter shit that was Charlie's Angels. I fail to see any resemblance of a good movie in there. I don't see how this is good news.
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Or did he turn them down?
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McG will OWN THIS MATERIAL. McG is going to thrive with this one. I can't wait.
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Hope springs eternal.
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I won't even see it.
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but listen to Charlie's Angels commentary. The guy knows his stuff, he is just attracted to wierdness. It works differently for Charlie's Angels (hint: you and I weren't targeted, I liked it's craziness though) and stuff like Chuck and Supernatural (which is so underrated it's not even funny). I wouldn't slice up my throat in a hissyfit just yet.
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i guess it could be OK. drew barrymore as sarah connor and crispin glover as the T-8billion?
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McG should beg Cameron to do TERMINATOR SALVATION with Governor Schwarzenegger or ask Jim for major advice on what to do with this film!!!!!!
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If there were an award for Best TalkBack Post Subject line, you would win today. Bravo, sir.
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Nuff said.
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Nov 16, 2007 10:34:50 AM CST
Oh, McG...if you don't want to piss off fans of Terminator....
by abking
Make sure you try your hardest to convince Governor Schwarzenegger to do a big extended role in the film (Arnie has to play the assassin Terminator mentioned in T3)or even a bad ass resistance soldier of the future. If you don't want to piss off the fans of TERMINATOR, Arnie must be in the film or expect a 90% backlash upon release. The key now is to sign Arnie. Maybe get his likeness to stretch his role throughout the entire film and get him as a soldier in TERMINATOR 5.
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And then someone sees sense
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This ones got the stamp of approval of a TURD all over it.
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That says it all really. The Terminator series is FUCKED. And this one wont even have Arnold. Seriously, it should have been left at T2. Why are all my most beloved films RUINED. Star Wars is unwatchable to me now, Alien and Predator have both be fucked in the ass and now they are going to put the final nail in the coffin of the Terminator series. And I even liked Charlies Angels!
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I kinda held off on this guy for a long time. But I think we can now all say that this guy is definately nothing but a music video direct who can deliver other people's ideas with little originality.I was really pulling for the guy. Any time I heard him speak he seemed to openly acknowledge that he had a stupid name and that Charlie's Angels was never going to be anything more than it was. So I figured, cool, this guy's got some secret plan to get everybody to underestimated him and then he'll drop his masterpiece and we'll all be in shock. But it turns out he's just a hack with a stupid name who's cool with the fact that he's a hack with a stupid name.I'm sure this will go in the pile of other pointless fourqels such as Alien 4, Die Hard 4, Indiana Jones 4, and so on.
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McG for terminator, Ratner for X4, or Mark Steven Johnson for spiderman 4?
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Why not get the T3 director? Wasn't bad.
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Nov 16, 2007 10:51:15 AM CST
CAN'T THIS GUY MEET WITH AN....ACCIDENT..!!
by greigy just wanted to say
OOOOPS... sorry already has.. It's called his career.
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With McG at the helm, this all will go to shit. And one of my favorite franchises with it. Well done!
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I, personally, think he does have an eye for the camera. If THAT talent successfully merges with a good story, we may ALL be surprised.
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I think he's in the clink now! I'd love to see him take on the Terminator franchaise, he's had a few misteps (i.e LAH, Rollerball) which I think has shaken the confidence of some fickle producers, but he's a great action director, I'd love to see him return to brilliance of Die Hard, Predator and the 13th Warrior (I'm one of the few that dug the hell out of that film). Norrington's potential similarly impressed me, again another case of a talented director falling foul of a bad project, I was really impressed with Death Machine and Blade, he could have brought something really special to T4. It's so frustrating that the producers are'nt prepared to take risks with such directors (I'm mean if they consider McG to be the best candidate, how risky could someone like Chris Cunningham or Vincent Natali be?). Oh well, it's Mad Max 4 I'm gunning for now! ;-)
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and Terminator: SCC looks (surprisingly) good. But I'd have to agree with most people here that McG directing T4 is cause for concern.
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Nov 16, 2007 10:59:13 AM CST
TERMINATOR SALVATION has to convince fans all over again!!! READ
by abking
If T4 had signed a real filmmaker like Paul Verhoeven, then everyone would be anticipating it like it was Cameron at the helm. But now that McG is doing the film, it has to start from scratch to convince fans...and have the "lets wait and see how it turns out" feel to it that T3 had. T3 with Mostow came out and most fans like what they got. Not all fans but most liked what Jonathan pulled off. So what does those new owners of the franchise do??? They sign a director people dispise!!! What a bunch of fucking morons! They want to restart the franchise but they get McG! HELLO guys, Paul Verhoeven was fucking free to have gotten! Like I said, everyone involved with T4 (Terminator Salvation) better go to Lightstorm Entertainment and BEG Cameron for some serious advice, then they should go to Sacremento and sign Schwarzenegger...do whatever it takes but get Arnold involved...and get him to sign for T5 and T6 also!
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with this and news of a fucking Friday The 13th remake coming....Hollywood should just shut down for a bit and get its act sorted....
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Why is he still directing?! Will someone please make it stop!!! Why is Hollywood still so stupid!
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Im still intrigued by this Summer Glau tv show...just cos it has Summer Glau and makes absolutely no continuity sense.
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This is the same guy who is scared of heights. Christ.
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oh c'mon, stop whining, at least the action will look good.
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to think that he could deliver a solid movie? At least it's not the Rat on board.
Oh, and I loved the way Mostow handled T3 so sue me. Yeah some humor attempts were lame, but funky glasses on Arnie aren't worse than flames on Optimus, nipples on batsuit or that looney tunes final shot from the Iron Man international teaser... The silliness was contained, the performances solid (except Arnie, but he had an excuse: he played a robot running for Governor) and the ending kicked asses.
Now, we have a different universe with many interesting possibilities. And McG said he wanted to take a break from the Angels' goofyness (which I, for one, have absolutely no problem with - they were boner-inducing escapism, maybe not FYI but surely for mine) and wanted more serious shit. This is future war, Judgement Day with General Connor in charge. And even if he screws up a lil'bit here and there, they can fire him and take a better director (whoever mentioned Miss Bigelow deserves kudos, even if she'd probably never accept to fill her ex's iron boots) to finish the job properly. I'm not totally sold, and will never watch this on opening week-end to fill their perhaps undeserving pockets with my hard-earned money, but if the word-of-mouth is good (and like it or not, it WAS for T3) I'll give it a chance. -
T1 was ace, T2 has a reputation for the effects alone (the non-lethal termy was lame), T3 was ideal lazy sunday afternoon viewing. if there is no Arnold in T4, it may actually give them a bit of freedom to explore the whole concept. dudes, wait at least for a trailer or poster to base an opinion on. unless they cast that twat jack black in it, and then of course boycott it, call the national guard, etc, etc
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First Hollywood ruins the Alien and Predator lines, and now it is destined to ruin the Terminator line as well.
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sometimes the brain does not work correctly with the hands-typing-thingee
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so this news, although it sucks wretched balls, does not effect me. My condolences to anyone who still cares about this lost franchise.
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I've always felt that the Terminator series was lacking faster editing, unnecessary green screen shots, hyper stylized color, wooden characters, and overall shallowness. Maybe they can shoot two at a time and The 'Rat can do the other one. Fuck. Really though, who watches things like the first Two Terminators and says "Family Franchise" lets get the guy who did the Charlies Angels movies and Boy Band Videos to do one!!!
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Remember HANNIBAL that major piece of SHIT FLOP! No original cast members returned especially Anthony Hopkins (the lead) and look how that turned out! Now go back to the 3 quality BLOCKBUSTER films prior to HANNIBAL starring lead Anthony Hopkins. Be smart guys and get actors like Michael Biehn and lead Schwarzenegger involved. Maybe cast the guy that played General John Connor in the opening of T2. Good luck McG!
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We don't need sequels to Terminator and Predator. We DO need proper sequels to Point Break and Road House, though.
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First, I actually had to remove my LaserDisc player from the Home Theater today... now this.
It was a good player... played both sides and all.
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good thing my betamax is still kickin'
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If all involved worked REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY hard to make sure TERMINATOR SALVATION resembled the exact look and feel of the opening war scene of TERMINATOR 2, then maybe they would have done the film half justice...but have Michael Biehn, the actor that played General Connor in T2 and Arnie as both the assassin Terminator and the soldier they based his T-800/T-850 model off of.
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I didn't see We Are Marshall but I really thought the Charlie's Angels movies were entertaining. I think he is a good choice for this and might give it a boost where it would otherwise be just a retread.
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What is going on? I just watched Terminator the other day, it's a masterpiece. Made with virtually no money, but with vision, passion and talent. Things that McG wouldn't have the first fucking clue about.
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Making fun of his name is a little childish, if not played out. He has proven to be a success on many levels and a capable filmmaker. It was funny when he had only music videos to his credit and a single Charlie's Angels movie but he has production credits under his belt and a few movies and he is far from terrible. I'm just saying.
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The same bitching over the title, the same bitching over the cunt of a director the idiot studio have chosen. Then when the film comes out and it's "better than we thought it'd be" you'll be sucking up to McG faster than Harry when Lucasfilm comes knocking.
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if that
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...and without the Governator? This. Is. Not. A. Terminator. Movie!Mark my words.
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Let's see. WE ARE MARSHALL was a decent film. and McG certainly has some visual flair. Maybe he'll tune down the hyper editing and goofy humour.
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But McG continuing the Terminator series is the WORST idea ever. Say hello to CGI Overload.
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This will make T3 look like a work of fucking art and make Mostow look like Martin fucking Scorsese...
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Won't be good.
Instead we should talk about:
Indy 4 trailer supposed to be with Beowulf and The Dark Knight Viral game with the Joker faces ends tomorrow at midnight. Will we get a trailer?
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Nov 16, 2007 12:24:24 PM CST
I'm still waiting on Robocop Vs. Terminator myself
by reel american hero
Hell, they did AVP, might as well try to do up this franchise on the big screen too. Chances are they'd fuck it up if they attempted it though. Was my favorite of all the vs.'s comics Dark Horse put out back in the day. -
Live Free and Die Hard turned out better than expected? What film did you see?
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I'll wait to see it to start slinging mud. I can say that I've seen his previous movies and am not impressed. I do like Chuck a lot so I'll give him that. It's gonna be a long way from Cameron though.
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The official demise of the Terminator saga has arrived. "T3" was teetering on the precipice...but now, it's over.
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Ratner, Bay, Sommers, PWS Anderson, and a few others also make up the HACK PACK!
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Please get the father in the story.
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It should've been Pitof! PITOF!
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Nov 16, 2007 12:55:02 PM CST
One time i made myself sick thinking about the terminator timeli
by claudiomonster
I was a freshmen in college and literally i gave myself a fever just thinking about this. Anyways, i think Transformers did a fun job taking the kid concept and intertwining with the robots. It was fun, engaging and entertaining. Now the terminator movie should be like this but darker.
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In the imortal words of Luke Skywalker ....."Nooooooooooooooooo...nooo..."
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Chuck rules. Terminator is a ground based fighter. Why won't Mastow come back? I thought T3 had some really amazing scenes. Like actually I saw Charlies Angels Part Deux and T3 back to back and I feel asleep during Chralies. But T3 was awesome.
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I'd be pleased if a real visionary got T4...since that can't happen at this point...if Arnold got involved in the new trilogy...if all the crew from T1, T2 and T3 got involved...if Brad Fidel scored the film again...if the effects and action lived up to Jim Cameron...most important though is...if the script was so fucking kick ass, bad ass and one fucking thrill ride, the entire team behind TERMINATOR SALVATION kept reminding people that come summer 2009, fans will be in for a real T2 kinda ride. But one can dream right, like I said, good luck McG...don't fuck the movie up and get advice from JAMES CAMERON and get ARNOLD involved!!!!
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Hopefully a brand new cyberdine systems model is traveling back in time right now to take this guy out. I saw someone recommend Verhoeven up there, a big name director would never touch this big of a franchise. Except for ridley scott of coarse who is such a whore these days it's not even funny. I'm willing to give McG a chance at "serious" movies but this is a risky title to take a gamble on. I'm not totally counting him out,if the movie is good GREAT, if it's not then I don't care, they already shit all over this franchise anyway. Oh and mrbong, come on man, you need to lay off the pipe if you thought arnie wasn't badass in T2. Plus it's know for more than just innovating CG effects. It's a great story. But I'm sure we all know now why John Connor cries now. It's because he was going to have to come back for another 2 shitty sequels.
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Because that bothers me much more than this McG dude. He can direct some decent action and may be able to do it. It's a baffling choice but hey, it's better than Paul W.S. Anderson or Len Fucking Wiseman. What it'll come down to is if the script is any good or if it's another mind-numbing clusterfuck like T3.
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Will Shia be in this?
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That'll teach him. I think this turn of events is pretty funny actually, because it does sound like such a nightmare to have a guy called McG take over such a great series. But honestly, and I may be being too optimistic here, but I think he might do a pretty good job. Not on the level of James Cameron, but on the level of whatsisdick who did the enjoyable but not great part 3. This is also kind of the start to a new series, so he can do his own thing. Hopefully a little less jokey than the last one, to prove to you guys that he is Dark McG.
You know what's a real bummer though, I never watched T3 until last summer, and when I did (with low expectations) I enjoyed it because of the cool chases, the great bathroom fight, the cool ending and what not, and I figured well, James Cameron didn't want to do it so this guy did a pretty good job for somebody else taking over. But then I was reading an old article about Marrio Kassar and Andrew Vajna (if I remembered those names right) and it talked about how Cameron actually DID want to do a T3, until those assholes pooled up the money to buy the rights and give it to somebody else. Thanks alot, assholes. So don't blame McG, blame those guys. -
I'll stick with that and avoid any future movies, especially if they're directed by McG.
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McG needs to have Arnie play the soldier that his T-800 was based on. That would be classic shit! That way, if the producers do make T5 and beyond, Arnie's soldier character could continue on and help fight in the resistance along with John Connor.
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I miss his "ALL HAIL McG!!! McG WILL SAVE US ALL!!!" posts :(
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Kassar and Vajna has nothing to do with the Terminator franchise anymore. They sold the rights to another company. You know shit.
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Hello Stupidwood!!
Anybody listening -- there is a market for solid 'R' movies.
300?
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Vern never said Kassar and Vajna had anything to do with T4...he said he read an (old) article (I remember that article also) which Kassar and Vajna sold the T3 rights to Germany and Japan...that is why Cameron backed out...he was still gonna direct T3 up to a certain point until those two morons sold the foreign rights!
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What a giant piece of crap to smear on our collective faces.
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Actually I did know about Ratner and Escape from New York. And to me McG doing Terminator is worse. This is why, EFNY is great storytelling, but not necessarily GREAT (good not GREAT) filmaking. T1 and T2 is GREAT storytelling and filmmaking. Ratner has the ability to tell a story, it's just his filmmaking ability isn't the greatest, exactly how I think of EFNY. McG on the other hand is all about flash and no substance. The exact opposite of what T1 and T2 were. So to me, to bring on a director who has the opposite skills of what is needed to bring the Terminator Series back to glory (T3 was an abortion), is just the wrong idea.
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You must not realize that this movie will be made by the same man who brought us that serious art movie called Charlie's Angels. The only serious movie he's ever mad is We Are Marshall. That movie was ok but not much different from the thousands of other sports movies out there. He is a hack and nothing more.
When Jonathan Mostow was tapped to direct T3 at least I could understand why. He had made 2 tense action movies in Breakdown and U571. U571 wasn't the greatest movie ever made but at least it's a real suspenseful action movie and Breakdown was a great action movie.
T3 was not great, but the ending was enough to make me want to see another one. McG will run this franchise in the ground by casting a bunch of actors from The OC. This will be a watered-down version just like Live free or Die Hard was. -
you have to realize these two idiots thought T3 was brilliant. Assholes indeed. I want to have faith in McG.
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They have to make SOMETHING to take up screen-time in the theaters. Really, this can't be worse that Alien vs. Predator... why not beat the Terminator franchise into the effing ground too? It's what we've come to expect from the idiot Hollywood brass, after all...
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Ratner has good filmmaing ability but he can't tell a story for shit
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because he has no good stories of his own to tell
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...I think Mostow was a perfect choice for part 3. And if anything, an Arniless terminator 4 is probally beneath McG. They should save these quasi-DTV flicks for the real enemies of cinema, like Paul W.S. Anderson and that douche Len Wisemen. I would say Michael Bay, but he somehow tripped into the A List. I wonder when God will show his face and fix that error of creation.
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Claire Daines and Nick Stahl, come on they were bad choices
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C'mon Vern - back me up here son.
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Take After the Sunset for example, a movie that had a TON of potential for interesting shots and visuals. Instead we get generic visuals and angles the I can see every week on something like Law and Order or CSI Miami. Yet the story kept me watching.
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And prob thought it was just as good as T2. Thats all i got to say.
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When the bad guy gets introduced in what like 1 min into the movie you know its bad. This better not smell direct to video.
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Ratner knows where to put a camera and knows how to direct actors, and knows story structure but not how to tell a story. Your totally right, good filmmaking is the ability to tell a story well, and until he tells the right stories he'll continue to be known as a hack
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were expensive. The producers just wanted to make the maximum amount of profit, and hiring a big name director means increasing costs.
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was so cliche and redone. I've seen that same old caper story a million times
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Loved the 1'st Charlie's film, hated the 2'nd, don't know We Are Marshall. If T-IV has the same energy level (forget substance) as Charlie 1, I'm up for it. And so is everyone else up here. I know nothing about the story of this one. Is this one gonna have thousands of those cool Endo Skeletons fighting human beings ? I would love to see that, please no more overly complicated story-lines, just 100 minutes of high adrenaline wall-to-wall action please.
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but their images were too like hollywood, if that makes any sense at all
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he doesn't know how to tell his own story, when he emulates the work of others it comes off cheap and tacky. He knows how to make shit look good but he needs to find something original so he can form his own style. If he could put his visual talents to work on original and interesting material. I think we could get a half way descent movie
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Nov 16, 2007 2:31:10 PM CST
There's a reason why We Are Marshall was his only serious movie.
by tivo1138
It's because he's only done three movies, two of which were Charlie's Angels.
I'm not going to be so quick to dismiss this until I see a trailer and a plot description.
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I just didn't find them as believable as I did with Linda Hamilton, of MIchael Beihn, or even Eddie Furlong for that matter. They didn't look like convincing people in this saga, they were just too glamorous.
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I enjoyed T1 - you're right im eating my words - what I meant to say was when both good and bad guy meet right away. I havent seen T1 in awhile but i dont think Bein and t800 met that quickly?
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I just didnt like that they met so quickly. I would loved to see a build up of sorts. You win.
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believe me, I'm neither ratner fan or supporter you can be sure of that. And theres been hundreds of buddy cop movies but rush hour wasnt a remake or anything and it was mildly entertaining. Im still remaining somewhat optomistic on what the man can do. (slightly optomistic)
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If you ever meet Summer Glau in person, you will change your tune. For some reason, she's one of those actresses that filmmakers feel that they need to ugly up on camera, because she tends to play mentally unstable characters. Trust me - in person, she is smoking hot.
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Fuck McG. Fuck Ratner. Fuck Bay. These are the Hollywood Mega-hacks.
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I dont really believe ratner will ever be woth anything
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Memo to you : Can you please shut your yap for once ? We know you have impeccable taste when it comes to rating movies and filmdirectors but don't you think enough is enough ? What an amazing imbecile you are man.
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Had to do it. When I saw McTerminator I assumed it was McTiernan. Is Furlong confirmed as back in this or not?
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Has no filmmaking ability. He's a paint by the numbers hack who brings nothing to his films. Studios like him because he brings films in on time and on budget, and because he's a soulless whore who will do whatever they tell him to do.
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Not sure if this thing needs to be made but does anyone else think Alfonso Curan would have been a great choice for this?
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when I compare the films of ratner to the films of like Bay or something. Bay really comes out on top. and Im optimistic about DARK KNIGHT being better then BEGINS which is probly my least favorite Nolan movie even though I didn't see THE FOLLOWING. Favorite - INSOMNIA
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Not much different to me. How about a REESE flick? And... when the TV series is canceled this franchise will die for another eleven years.
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I think you're right. I think Curan has a bit more sense than to sign on for this sort of thing. I just wish they would have gotten someone that gets a bit of gravitas out of the main characters. I'm just glad they didn't get someone like steven sommers for this. That man couldn't tell a decent story if he tried.
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That would be hella tight. Like... out of no where and BAM! Predator fighting liquid terminator. With some phat Wu-tang rhymes bump'n the action.
Predator dead... you think it's over then..ugh, predalien pops out his chest!...Fade to black...The End! I mean, you can even have a question mark on it 'cause you know they can do a hella tight sequel to that shit! BuuWHaa! Wit McG anything's possible. -
Idiot, exactly what's the purpose of you commenting like you do when the names Ratner, Harlin, Bay or McG are being named on here ? If you don't have a passion for B action films whatsoever what the fuck are you doing in a thread about Terminator 4 ? We're just mostly talkin funpulp films here. Keep your text-book opinions on films man, they are boring beyond belief. Nobody should feel ashamed of really liking or enjoying B films. Oh yeah, i asked you 3 times now, what country are you from ?
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Holy shit. That's really incredible. X-3 was one of the worst pieces of crap I've ever seen. Ratner must have been eating beluga caviar out of Halle Berry's crack for that film to have gone over budget.
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and even though BEGINS is miles above every rescently released comic movie. I still thought it was just a tad overrated, I'm hoping for more of a simple villian and I think Ledger might actually bring something worth while to the table. and yeah Bay's movie's actually piss me off at how cheesy they are but they're almost aesteically pleasing (almost, too many quick cuts)
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What in "McG"'s resume screams Terminator?
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If humanity allows McG to direct a Terminator movie, then the machines deserve to win.
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Maybe he shouldn't go by McG like some kind of pompous asshole.
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But it's all the same motion.
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It was a crappy mess from start to finish.
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...in on time and under budget. He also took a pay cut so that they could afford to film on certain locations in the USA.Play with that one for awhile, MoM.
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How about McPretensiousfuckfacewithnotalent
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This is the worst news I could ever possibly imagine for the fate of a film franchise. At this point, I think they should hire an Amish guy. At least, it will be better.
As for McG, it's about his plan to rid the world of good films. He hates them. He will stop at NOTHING to make sure anything that gives film fans joy is taking away and shit on. -
You fuckin popmpous cunt. Although I'm not English (I'm Dutch), I can read the language and write just a little in it. For the 4'th time ; what country are you from ? You always hide behind the fact that English is not your first language, so what is your first language ? Are you affraid of revealing that ?
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I have to agree with MoM there, Batman Begins does get better each time it is watched. Sure there are a few problems with it, but it's near as dammit as close a batman to the comics we will ever get.
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Do you think the uniform hatred for this dipshit would get him to shoot himself before he made this movie?
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Sorry, did i say comics? i of course meant graphic novels. Didn't mean to offend anyone there. Last thing i want to do is start a geek lynch mob!
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Nov 16, 2007 4:29:08 PM CST
The T3 script was good, direction poor (apart from the final sce
by performingmonkey
Mostow pussied out on T3 in a big way. Someone with real balls needed to direct that movie, and someone with at least some clout with the studios. That way it could have been a hard R and full of excellence.
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According to DocPazuzu and he was formerly known as BladeRunnerUnit. See, M-O-M does make some valid points (I agree with him on Batman Begins, which I love), but it's the way he makes the points that infuriates many a talkbacker.
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Hollywood's going to be licking their wounds for a good while after the strike. They needs Terminator made. How much does a McDirector with cheese cost? We'll be seeing a lot of this in the future. From the director of I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry, Wolverine!"
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Wimp talking on the radio while cooping with the bossy chick.
Skynet could die laughing . . . if its programming evolved to a sense of humor. -
...so sue me.
T3 was exactly what I expected it to be when I saw it in the theaters. It didn't top the balls to the wall action of T2, but it certainly exceeded the level of action in T1. I wasn't expecting any sort of revolutionary plot since even T2 was pretty much rehashing T2 stuff. Still, it was fun summer fluff.
As far as the "ballsy" ending... They could've played it safe by avoiding Armageddon yet again. They didn't. If they had, the series would never go anywhere. At least now, the franchise are opened up for a new chapter of kickassery.
As far as McG goes... fuck beans!! Get over it. So you didn't like Charlie's Angels. We get it. So f-in' what?
Was the dialog cheesy? Yeah. Were the action sequences a bit Matrix-y? Sure. Were the plots goofy? Mostly.
Still, what the hell? Its harmless fun. It's a summer movie. More over, modern a new take on a 70s TV show. It's not exactly expected to reinvent the wheel. I got what I paid for - mindless action, bouncy babes, and a matinée price.
McG is probably what T4 needs at this point. Just give me my killer robots, blow shit up, and call it a day. I'm not expecting it to revolutionize the series with a groundbreaking plot. I'm just expecting to kill 90 minutes with some deafening explosions.
If I wanted plot, I'd fucking put on "The Shawshank Redemption" for the 30th time.
Just be thankful it isn't Michael "Willyoupleasegettothefuckingpoint" Bay. At least with McG, we won't have to wait 45-60 minutes before something cool actually happens (eg. Armageddon). -
I typed too quickly back there. I sounded like I was drunk. =)
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Connor should have instantly turned into Patton. Whoever said it was right. T3 was unnecessary and sucked but if they absolutely had to make it and go through with Judgment Day, that sequence was very well done.
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he is lame. and yes, T3 should get more credit.
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lazy, but wtf...
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entirely in the future since I saw the first one. I hope that's what we're getting, but unfortunately with a crappy director. Even when you win you lose.
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Chuck kinda sucks too.. I stopped watching after the episode where the guy drives a helicopter by pretending it was all just a video game.
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He just killed himself after finding out.
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I'm scared.
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can't direct his way out of a toilet. Prepare for the dumbest Terminator ever.. I bet the tv series will be better than this crap.
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it'll be nothing but explosions
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Anyone see it last night? Jesus Christ. That was officially the goriest thing I've seen on network tv (this side of a few X-files episodes). Great fucking show. THIS should be the talk of the sci-fi community television-wise as opposed to Heroes. There's a very good chance, given the roll it's been on, it could very well end up having a more satisfying run than The X-files.
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Is it Em See Gee? Is it Mick Guh? Is it Mick Gee?
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Inflataboobs? Talk to da hand? Stop embarrassing yourselves and watch good movies.
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Oh, I haven't seen DH4; I have no interest in doing so. I was just saying, that seemed to me to be the general reaction to the film here.
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from seeing a Terminator flick despite who was directing. Mr. McG, sir... you proved me wrong.
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Damn you hollywood producers. Why did you have to fuck up such a classic movie?
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McBAIN!!!!!!!!
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This shit is gonna suck!
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Always good to hear from you, Sir!
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All girl version, starring Paris Hilton and Drew Barrymore, I'm there! But seriously, this is a bad idea, this needs a gritty director, Greengrass would probably be good.
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I thought it was a pretty crappy film. Maybe it was the low expectations of others. There was too much camp, which is saying something in a film series about time traveling robots.
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I don't understand all the fuss. I mean, who cares if McMoniker is taking over this "franchise." Could it be any worse than Arnold wearing sparkly sunglasses and spouting out epic one liners such as "talk to the hand"?
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WHO THE F ELSE WERE THEY CONSIDERING?
Hal Hartley?
Russ Meyer?
The director of "Fair Game?"
My mom's deaf/blind Yorki?
Can someone explain why producers hand over the reins of good franchises to hacky directors?
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Yeah sure, it wasn't quite in the same league as T1 or T2 but, when you're going up against movie God like Cameron, that's always going to be the case.It was entertaining, it had some great ideas (Arnie's terminator being the same version which terminated John, the new terminator's abilities to control machines, the glimpses of SkyNet taking control and the great ending), solid central performances (although I'm biased towards Stahl due to my love of Carnivale) and the action scenes were what I wanted from a terminator movie. And a Dr. Silverman appearance!Once again it wasn't in the same league as T1 and T2 but I admire Mostow for what he gave the audience. It could have been a complete disaster but it ended up being more entertaining than most of the stuff out in 2003.
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That's why T3 was a mistake in the first place. I mean who's brilliant idea was it to make this movie in the first place, not Cameron's, his logic was perfect and it totally ended the saga. But these rich fuckin hollywood assholes realize that it changed the frame work of science fiction, so they wanted to make money off it by simply throwing money at it. While doing so they didn't take into account the fact that they were making this movie more than ten years after T2 was done and that the film industry had undergone one of the biggest changes in history during this period which in fact was started by T2. If they weren't money grubbing fucks they would have realized that it had no chance of fitting in with the other 2 because special effects had changed so dramatically. Fuck T3 it never should have existed it was brought back just to make money, the movie has no soul. It's also a good example of how computer graphics have degreased the integrity of the film industry especially in the arenas of science fiction and action. PLEASE use the CG for shit that you have no other way to do.
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...and McG, but a fucking surname already, you fucking douche.
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Another film which NEVER needed to be made. Didn't care about T3...won't care about this one.
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call me mommy!!
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I rank him up there with Uwe.
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where am i?
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post #1
T3: RISE OF THE MACHINES
or the alternate title
T3: WE ALL SMOKED CRACK FOR THE FIRST TIME
THEN REWROTE T2: JUDGMENT DAY
By Christopher T. Shields
Déjà vu is a funny feeling you get when you think that you have done something before. Well, when I bought the T3 DVD and watched it for the first time on November 11, I had a real case of déjà vu. Even though this was the first time that I had ever seen T3:ROTM, I knew that I had seen this movie before. Now, where was it that I had seen T3:ROTM before?
Hmmmm.
(insert sound of me snapping my fingers)
That’s right! It was 1991 and the movie was called Terminator 2: Judgment Day way back then.
T3 is a lampoon of T2, and a very bad one at that. From cheesy acting to laughable holes in both logic and plot, T3 fails as anything other than maybe a demo for some well done FX eye candy. The bad news is that it is official, it is canon, and it effectively beheads and neuters the first two movies in one fell swoop. T3 should be a lesson to all other film-makers of how not to make a movie using a popular franchise.
Let’s recap the plot to T3:ROTM. SKYNET’s attempt to kill Sarah Connor in 1984 fails. SKYNET then sends back through time an advanced prototype terminator to kill John Connor when he’s older. The Resistance manages to send back a reprogrammed Terminator to protect John Connor. A chase ensues with the prototype Terminator pursuing John Connor while the reprogrammed Terminator protects him. A climatic battle between the two Terminators in the end results in the destruction of the prototype as well as the noble, self sacrifice of the guardian Terminator. -
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Notice any similarities there between T2 and T3? Sure you did because T3 is just T2 with more eye candy and a lot weaker plot. T3 could easily be considered a rejected script for T2: Judgment Day. At any rate, the abortion that is T3 should never have seen the light of day. There are numerous loop holes in the logic of T3 and several things that just really stood out as dumb. Let’s review those now.
(Dumb)- the advanced prototype Terminator arrives back in modern day LA and immediately grabs a flashy, high dollar sports car then proceeds to drive like a maniac thus attracting all manner of public as well as law enforcement attention. The Terminator then proceeds to drive around and terminate people without any real regard for stealth. Sure, LA is a big, crazy place, but the amount of blondes in red dress suits driving around at 90mph in a convertible Lexus and randomly capping people at burger stands can’t be more than a hand full at any given time. Also, as a police officer, I know that when the officer pulled over the Lexus, he would have called in the make, model, and tag. Other officers would have been en route to back up the officer who stopped the Lexus, especially if it failed to yield to blue lights or he had to chase it a short bit. Once they arrived, or the dead officer failed to call in within two minutes (dispatch would check on his status often), other officers across the city would be on the look out or in pursuit of the Lexus. At least the T1000 was smart enough to mimic a police officer, take the patrol unit, and access the LAPD central computer system in its quest to find John Connor.
(Dumb)- if the T-X can produce weapons out of its body, why does it need a Glock to carry out its mission? When it pulled up to the drive-thru at the burger joint to kill the first victim on its termination list, it would have made more sense if it had simply created a finger spike and run it through the eye socket at the window, like the T1000 did with the security guard at the Asylum in T2. That would have been quicker, and far more silent. As it was, the T-X pulls up, shoots some guy in the face at the drive through window, then hauls ass away. Guess what? People call the police and they all pile on the area to look for the Lexus. Again. Obviously, the T-X isn't programmed for tactics. She could have just stabbed the guy at the window then slowly drove off. No one would have heard a gunshot, or the guy dying, and no one would have been the wiser except when they discovered the body hanging out the window of the restaurant.
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(Dumb)- Arnold returns as our favorite cyborg, again. Yawn. Apparently SKYNET made a bunch of Terminators that look like Arnold, then a few others. Somehow, the Resistance keeps using the same model over and over again. Oh, wait, this time Arnold is a T850, not a T800. Apparently the difference between this unit and the previous one is that this one is powered by two hydrogen fuel cells located in his chest behind an armored panel.
(Dumb)- Once again, Arnold has to find a pair of sunglasses to wear at night. Either Corey Hart did the core programming which the Terminators were based off of or moon light is bad for their optics. Why doesn’t the T-X wear sunglasses all the time? It must have more advanced optics. If you remember back to 1984, the original reason why the T800 wore sunglasses at night was because it had done surgery on its organic eye and had to remove it due to battle damage, this left a huge gaping hole in its face where you could see the optics and parts of the hyperalloy skull. The sunglasses were simply camouflage. In T2 and T3, the sunglasses become fashion accessories. Who knew Terminators cared anything about fashion? Groan.
(Dumb)- The T-X can imitate any human it touches by physical sampling and contact, yet apparently it has to lick blood to read DNA patterns with its tongue. You would think that the T-X could simply dip a finger in the blood and read the DNA that way… Comparing DNA must be more complicated than imitating another human being down to every nook, cranny, skin fold, and follicle.
(Dumb)- The T-X is more advanced that the T1000, so why is it endoskeleton based? Why does it have a solid form at all? The T1000 was composed of millions, perhaps billions of individual machines. The T-X seems to be some form of advanced endoskeleton that is covered in a poly-mimetic alloy or material. That would, in essence, make it inferior to the T1000 in design. Perhaps the T-X exists between the T-800 series and the T1000 series. That would make more sense, given what we are shown. I don't think SKYNET would take a step backwards in technology and design. The T1000, no matter what is shown in the movie, still seems to be the most advanced Terminator design. Also, if the T1000 can't form complex mechanical objects, how can the T-X do so? I guess technology really does change.
(Dumb)- John Connor doesn’t even know where his mother is buried. He doesn’t even know his mother was cremated. Apparently he was with her during her final years of fighting leukemia, but after that, he lost track of her at the very instant that she died. I find that odd. However, the T-850 knows everything about Sarah Connor, and it found this out through Kate Brewster in the future (apparently), so if John didn't know, how did Kate know? If Kate didn't know, how did she program the T-850 with the information?
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post #4
(Dumb)- Sarah Connor died of leukemia in Mexico which is a crappy way to write such a main character out of the story. They should have left Arnold out of the movie as well. His appearance did more to damage the continuity / credibility of the franchise than it did to help it. In the T2:JD book by Randal Frakes, Sarah Connor does die, but she dies escorting a convoy of supplies up form Mexico when it is ambushed by multiple HKs. John is in his twenties and receives the news of his mother's death just as SKYNET falls, so it is a bitter victory since his mother just died, and he is also about to send Reese (his father) back in time to his eventual death at the hands of the first Terminator. Here is the excerpt from the T2 novel which proves this.
"Fuentes had brought him the news. John had been crouched in a blasthole crater, giving final instructions to a squad of soldiers still in their teens. They were bright, eager, and dispensable. They would all later die in a diversionary battle that would lead to a major victory. As he watched them snake out into the moonlit ruins, Fuentes turned to John, struggling to remain calm as he gave his nightly field report. The supply convoy from Mexico had been ambushed by a squad of HKs. There were no survivors.
John had listened, then only nodded. After all, this was simply one more defeat in a war filled with them. The supplies were important, but there were backups the army could use. And John had steeled himself to loss over the years. People were always dying in this war. Like the squad of teenagers John had just sent out on patrol. The the horror of death could become routine if it happened often enough.
All this Fuentes knew. And in normal circumstances, Fuentes would not have found John's reaction strange. When he wasn't needed, the general would often go off by himself to brood, especially after he had ordered hundreds of men into a hopeless battle, just to buy time to build the army. But he would get over it quickly, eager to continue the struggle, driven by a certainty of their eventual victory. The loss of lives was necessary to achieve that victory. But Fuentes also knew what John knew ....
Sarah Connor had been leading that convoy. She had been ordered out of the action, but Sarah went her own way, and few people had the rank or the balls to stop her. Even John was in awe of her. Not only was she a superb combat soldier,, she was also an expert tactician. But sooner or later, even the best soldier can be overwhelmed by superior firepower. As in this case.
So Fuentes found it strange that John simply nodded when he told him his mother was dead. When the news became common knowledge, people who only knew and respected her by reputation would be weeping. Sarah Connor had been almost as legendary as her son.
But all John did was thank Fuentes for the information and stride off.
Later, Fuentes walked in on John, bent over his cot, sobbing. He quietly backed away, not wanting to intrude. It was the only time he had seen the great man cry. Since that time, John had never talked about his mother. It seemed his soul had seeped into the threads of his uniform."
-Frakes, "TERMINATOR 2: JUDGMENT DAY"
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(Dumb)- John Connor says he isn’t in the system, yet he’s riding a motorcycle. Surely the motorcycle has a license plate… if it doesn’t, he’s sure to get noticed by law enforcement and that would lead to all sorts of legal entanglement. As a police officer, I know one of the primary reasons why we pull people over is no visible tag. We won’t discuss his driver’s license either that he had to produce in order to prove he was 21 in order to buy that beer that he’s drinking on the side of the bridge.
If he's not in "the system" then how did he register for the tag on his motorcycle? Duh!
(Dumb)- The world is being infected by a super computer virus. The last hope of America seems to be SKYNET and bringing it online will allow the AI to go through every computer system in America in a matter of minutes and wipe out the super virus. Huh? Explain the logic in that? One super computer is going to be able to wipe out the virus on every computer in America in a few minutes. Right.
(Dumb)- The super computer virus is actually produced by SKYNET and apparently the virus is SKYNET. Huh? So, if SKYNET is the super virus, why does it have to be brought online to complete its takeover of Earth? Think about it. Here is SKYNET, in charge of the nuclear arsenal, it has managed to escape from its super secure installation and infect the entire world with some virus form of itself, yet it needs humans to throw the switch to bring it online, give it freedom, and give it access to the nuclear missiles. How did it do all of that if it isn’t online or if it is shielded from the outside world by impregnable digital security? And if SKYNET was a super virus, why didn't it just attack some other world defense system, like Russia? I bet they would have had easier missiles to hack and launch than the US does. Hell, if SKYNET was some super computer virus, they didn't need John Connor, they needed Peter Norton.
(Dumb)- SKYNET is a sentient computer virus. Apparently it has taken control of all data and communications lines in the world and yet it can't bring humanity to its knees. Connor says that SKYNET was on every computer, in every home, dorm room, file server, etc. around the world. Huh? Well, that's not a good idea, because when SKYNET launches its nuclear strike, nine out of every ten of those computers are going to be destroyed, and the rest won't have any power to them, so SKYNET would be cutting its own throat by destroying 99.99% of its life / body. If its a virus, it must be pretty small and pretty smart, to be able to survive on just a few isolated computers after the nuclear exchange and then to rebuild the world in its own image. Now, if SKYNET were a central computer, a core, protected under Cheyenne Mountain, then yeah, that would make sense. But having SKYNET being some group mind of all the machines on line and in use by Napster and AOL users just doesn't work, logically or story wise.
(Dumb)- John Connor is racing his motorcycle at night in the country. He barely misses a deer and wrecks. Where did his bike go? The next thing we know, he’s in downtown LA at a veterinarian clinic looking for drugs. You think he would be smart enough to break into a human clinic, instead of try to apply animal drugs to his system. Also, why is he taking so many chances? I thought he accepted his future in the second movie. In this movie, he’s acting like a spoiled brat again who isn’t getting his way. In the first part of the movie, he pines away for the future that never was, then when he runs smack into it face first, he starts not wanting it. Make up your mind.
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post #6
(Dumb)- The T850 reprises the opening scenes of T2 by walking naked into a bar and grabbing some guy and taking his clothes. A redneck four wheel drive with a shotgun in the rear window is conveniently located in the parking lot. The T850 checks the sun visor (something that Connor taught the T800 to do in T2, but did not teach the T850 in this movie, so where did the learned behavior come from?) for keys, finds them, starts the truck and drives away. Nobody gives any pursuit despite some big naked guy coming into a strip bar, beating the hell out of a flaming queen on stage, then walking out and taking someone else’s truck. And why were there rednecks at a bar that had gay strippers? It must have been NASCAR night....
(Dumb)- John Connor just happens to break into the veterinarian clinic where his future wife / second in command works. His future wife answers an emergency call and finds John has broken into the clinic, a fight ensues, John falls for one of the oldest tricks in the book, and she locks Connor in an animal cage. John is also armed with a paint ball gun, not a real gun. Like a paint ball gun is going to do anything against a Terminator… what a pacifist idiot.
(Dumb)- The T-X appears at the veterinarian clinic looking for one of Connor’s future lieutenants. Bonus time! The T-X also finds Connor and his future wife is there? Now how did the T-X know that Connor’s wife was at the clinic on the emergency call? The T-X didn’t intercept any communications and didn’t interrogate the fiancé until later.
(Dumb)- how did the T-X know about Kate's fiancé, or where he lived? Were they living together?
(Dumb)- the T-X can use a cellular phone to dial into the LA public education system and pull up records of students, their faces, and where they live. It speaks computer language like a modem over the cellular phone. Shouldn't it have had this information before it came back in time? The mission seems to be: go back in time, find out who you're supposed to kill, then kill them. Not a very good mission start.
(Dumb)- The T850 just happens to show up out of the blue in time to save John’s future wife and have a short battle with the T-X. Talk about timing! How did he know where John would be or where the T-X was?
(Dumb)- The T850 says he is an obsolete design, yet he was sent to terminator John Connor and accomplished this goal which makes the T850 more effective than the T800 and the T1000 which were sent to do the same mission and could not accomplish this task.
(Dumb)- The T850 says it was selected because John Connor would have a personal attachment to the model due to his experience with it during his childhood years. How does SKYNET know this information? SKYNET was smashed, destroyed, off line when the Resistance sent back the T800 in the second movie and John wasn't even born when the first T800 arrived and fought Reese / Sarah Connor. John may remember the T800 from T2, but SKYNET wouldn't have known that the Resistance sent back the T800 as they did it after SKYNET was beaten. The computer was dead, it couldn't know this information.
(Dumb)- The movie also hints that this Terminator actually killed John Connor in the future. Let's see if I can explain this. The Resistance can reprogram Terminators that they capture (the process of capturing one would be hard enough, let alone reprogramming one) and until a Terminator is reprogrammed, it is pretty much a killing machine that is very anti-human. So, sometime in the far future, John Connor gets careless or he gets senile, supposedly sees his buddy "the Terminator" in his secret command base and runs up to hug him at which point the T850 simply kills him and Connor probably dies with a very surprised look on his face. Did logic just get thrown out the window on this movie? Yes. Now, logic (something this movie has very little of) would dictate that if Connor saw his buddy from his childhood come walking into his base headed for him, that he would realize two things; this is the same model or likeness as the Terminator that I sent back to protect myself and since I haven't reprogrammed this Terminator yet, it is probably pretty damn dangerous and I need to be chucking some plasma at it right now if I want to live. Also, you would think that the most important man in the world would be better protected, and that his body guards would be able to recognize Terminators, if not from years of experience in dealing with them, then by having dogs, sensors, etc. If you play the T3 video game, you find out that Connor's personal guards were about as smart and alert as Amos and Andy when it came to guarding him. Any Terminator could have walked in and blasted John Connor according to how the scene plays out in the video game as Connor is protected by two slack jawed yokels who are half asleep when the Terminator walks in and asks to see John Connor. Like Connor is some kind of loan officer at a bank and the T850 needs to talk to him about a mortgage. Grrrrr.
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(Dumb)- If John Connor was dead, why send the T-X back at all? The Resistance would have been dealt a major blow both in morale and leadership, so all SKYNET would have to do is wait for the Resistance to start to fall apart then throw itself at the scattered pocket cells. With Connor gone, SKYNET could cat and mouse the remaining Resistance forces to pieces and achieve victory in a few years at most. For a super efficient, super smart computer, SKYNET really does pull some incredibly dumb ideas.
(Dumb)- SKYNET was smashed in the first and second movie. So in the third movie, how is SKYNET still online, fully functional and able to send advanced Terminators back in time as it pleases? The beauty of the story of T2 was that when you thought that only one Terminator had gone back, you find out that SKYNET had played an ace it had up its sleeve, and thrown all of its luck into one last gamble. T3 pretty much invalidated that story and undermined the whole aspect of T2.
(Dumb)- If SKYNET was destroyed in the past as well as the future, where the heck does the CRS come from? CRS, for those who don't know, is a popular joke that goes "I suffer from CRS: Can't Remember ****." and in this movie, I think that the CRS labs stands for just that as the producers forgot all about the first two movies, and in trying to follow any plot links to those two. So, if all trace of SKYNET is destroyed in the attack on Cyberdyne, how does SKYNET still come around, and why is the project still called SKYNET? You would think that if all trace were destroyed, that so would be the project and project name. The ending of T2 was also somewhat badly written. Ideally, in the end of T2, after the destruction of the T-800, I felt that everything should whip-snap back into place, and the ending should have shown 1984 again, with the black man in the garbage truck. He would have pulled up to the dumpster, emptied the dumpster, and drove on. In other words, we should have been shown the very first scene of the 1984 movie as if nothing had happened because SKYNET would never have been created, and none of this would have ever taken place. But then, that wouldn't allow for any sequels in the past, only in the future and the future war. Pity that Cameron didn't seal the ending of T2 better, if he had, we probably would never have had to witness the franchise partial birth abortion that was T3: ROTM.
(Dumb)- The T-X has the ability to ‘infect’ other machines and take them over. This might work for automated assembly lines and computer systems, but when she infects a couple of police cars and an ambulance, you have to wonder where the extra controls miraculously spawn from. The accelerator is driven by the power of a human working the pedal, ditto for the transmission shift lever. Logically, you would need additional levers, pulleys, and gears to ‘drive’ a vehicle designed for human control. Since it takes a human to work the brakes and shift the transmission, logically, a bunch of little machines aren’t going to be able to reconfigure these aspects of the car to work by remote control unless they cannibalize large parts of the car’s structure to construct these new contraptions. Just putting some nanobots into the system isn’t going to get the job done. It must have been nano-magic, which is what it amounts to in the end. The effect was seriously, seriously dumb. She might as well have waved her hand and done some effect from one of the Harry Potter movies and it would have made just as much sense. The T1000 was made of nano-machines, and it couldn’t infect other machines.
(Dumb)- The T-X chooses a giant crane as its pursuit vehicle. If you have ever been around these monsters, you know that the two things that they do not have are speed and handling, two critically important aspects of pursuit. Even the T1000 was smart enough to get a police car and later a police motorcycle for pursuit. The T-X doesn’t seem to be very good at creating a low profile during its mission, it seems to prefer to drive as fast as possible in straight lines, kill everything between it and its target, and make a mess of the landscape. The T850 shows some better intelligence by getting a police motorcycle to follow the T-X.
(Dumb)- why doesn’t the general know his daughter has been kidnapped? I guess the super computer virus that is affecting all the phone systems could explain it. Everyone in the movie seems to know that the General's daughter has been kidnapped, hell a pair of detectives goes to visit the fiancé, but no one tells the General?
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if you want to read the rest of the article on why t3 suck ass go to:
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this is only about a quarter of the article on why t3 sucks cyborg dick.
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shut up you dumb nigger
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cock. Big Fat Nigger Cock.
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where the fuck is michael bay coming from. who the fuck said anything about anybody liking michael "ruined the transformers" bay you stupid fuck.
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rendered void.
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to do this. and i'm not sure how to feel about it.
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3 little words cumming out of a little cockhole like yours
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Mcfucked
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Search your feelings...You know this to be McTrue.
This movie is going to McFLOP. Hopefully the TV series is good... -
one of these 3 guys shoulda been paid to direct
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Lots of blood, guts, and naked Terminatrixes (is that the plural?)
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does it come with fries and a shake.
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and then go look into getting an editor.1 For your eight grader on meth prose. How much time did that take? Have you ever heard of a/girls b/going outside c/self respect??? 2 You need an editor for your ninth grader who just got out of a KKK meeting comments right after your ten gig post. It's people like you that take the life out of things. Wow, it really must be scary on the other end, over in front of your console. Please sir, read my post with an open heart. No movie is worth shit talking that much. Also, and this is the most important part: SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH YOUR DUMB RACIAL COMEBACKS, YOU MAKE ALL US NICE WHITE PEOPLE LOOK LIKE RETARDED CRACKER TRASH; LIKE YOU. now go listen to some Gil Scott Heron and fuck the fuck off.
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McI Mcthink Mcthat Mcthis Mcmovie Mcwill Mcputmetosleep. Mcend Mcof Mcline Mcbitches
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Are you people like under 20 or something? T1 was shit compared to T2, and even T3 was better than T1. Have any of you actually seen the first Charlie's Angels movie? It was pretty good (for a Charlie's Angels movie)--McG did lots of music videos, some rock videos and yes sadly a lot of boy band videos...not all of his work has "fast edits and humor" - a director can only do so good if the script is shit. If the script is shit, then not even James Cameron himself could save it, except he usually wrote the scripts, which is probably why his movies turned out (mostly) great.
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http://tinyurl.com/2wuvqx
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I think McG is an inspired choice. Easier to stenograph.
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And still makes T3 look like cheap ripoff of t2 that it is. Admit it. T1 will always be great because of that sex scene.
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for director... Gag.
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Will we see another one in T4 like we did in T1?
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what's that? a Short Circuit "re-imagining"?
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The reactions here make me GLAD he's fucking doing it, even though I don't give a shit about ever seeing TERMINATOR 4. When I look at the screen names of many of the people talking shit on the guy for calling himself McG (and really, for little else of any substance) - wow, the hypocrisy is downright stunning.
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The whining begins anew. Amusing this entire site went apoplectic over Mostow directing T3, some now want him back. T3 withstood the test if time, was commercially and critically (despite what morons say here) successful. Some just can't get over that Cameron didn't direct it. Don't blame anyone else but "King of the World" Jimbo. He makes Hamlet look like the most decisive character in literature, while fumbling around with undersea home movies. What a colossal waste of talent. And still he dithers. Despite directing some of the greatest action films of all time. Well, you're dead to me Fredo. The rest of you, get over it. I have. And T3 kicked ass, effectively closed the circle on the story arc, and is a helluva lot better in all respects than watching T1 over again. If T4 surprises like T3 did, so much the better. If not, it'll be like ALIEN Resurrection, totally unecessary and forgettable.
There seems to be a rule that a movie franchise cannot end on an up note. There just has to be that final one or three, George, that really stink to put it out of its misery. Terminator is no different. -
McCarry On
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T4 better be R rated like Alita:Battle Angel when it hit Oct 08. Watch NSFW teaser here (remove the space between daily and motion) Alita is played by the girl in District B13 Dany V.
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So it's no shocker that they would give him such a franchise.
A Franchise on it's last leg that won't even bring back it's main Stars from the previous movies.
I hate when they re-cast roles so much but if they re-cast Arnold's Terminator they better hit it out of the park because people will be mad.
I'm a die hard T2 fan, and a big Arnold fan so this one is shaky on my book it's looking like it will end up in the same book as "Dumb & Dumber'er" and "Son of the Mask" movie sequels made without previous STARS that are the main reason why people loved the series.
Nobody else in Hollywood would have done with the role what Arnold did! I so hope McG gets it right, and we don't end up with another Charlies Angles mess...
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Not even John Connor can save humanity from this disaster
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Jan Michael Vincent
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McG's only gonna get Drew Barrymore, Cameron Diaz and Lucy Liu running around as nekkid terminators trying to kill John Connor (which for John Connor, isn't necessarily a bad thing).
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True Story.
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T3 Doomed it nevermind the sarah connor show and McG....
but seriously, McG?
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Am I seriously the only person who thinks 'Terminator 4' is not even worth discussing let alone seeing? Are there really fans/supporters/apologists for 'Terminator 3'?
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Nov 19, 2007 8:38:19 AM CST
This FUCKER is going to ruin SPACED and TERMINATOR in the same f
by henrydalton
Fuck him. Die die die die die die die die die die die die.
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thanks.
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