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An XPURGATION of this summer's WILD WILD WEST!
Looks like the old NRG is up to their usual bag of tricks, advertising one screening but delivering another, tricky huh? Well XPURGATION didn't take to it too well. FATHER GEEK will let him get on with it...
A few weeks ago a friend invited me to a sneak preview of The Matrix. It
was
screening at AMC Mercado 20 in Redwood City (Northern California). Well I
jumped at the chance of seeing The Matrix one week before the release
because
I was really interested in seeing it. Well, when we got there pre-screening
cards were handed out to all of us in line. These cards were a bit odd
because in addition to asking about our interest in The Matrix, the card
also
asked if we would be interested in seeing Wild Wild West. Well, I marked
the
yes box because I have enjoyed Barry Sonnenfeld's past films and thought
that
maybe it would be a chance of getting an early peak at WWW. Little did I
suspect that this Matrix screening was all a planned hoax, because less than
five minutes later the people from the screening group begin to announce to
the fidgety crowd of Matrix hungry 15-35 year olds that they would not be
showing us The Matrix. No No No, they were going to show us The Wild Wild
West instead (at least those that still wanted to stick around for it).
Knowing that the film was not scheduled for release until the middle of the
summer I knew that something was up.
To me this seemed to be a slight-of-hand, paranoia screening designed to
elicit the opinions of that all important 15 -35 year old (Matrix)
demographic. Is our film cool enough to fly with the "Kids"?
The answer to that question is, uh…no? Let me tell you that the film wasn't
just bad, it was this side of GOD-AWFUL. And I am not just saying this
because I was scammed out of The Matrix. Hell I paid to see that film
twice.
Or that it was an early print of the film, complete with low- res video
placeholders in the areas (mostly effects such as Kenneth's missing legs,
opening title sequence, background mattes, etc.) that weren't completed yet.
It simply comes down to it being a badly conceived, multimillion-dollar mess
that just doesn't gel together.
To insure that the summer blockbuster crowd will be willing to suspend
disbelief with this awkwardly conceived attempt at stuffing show stopping
(and mostly out of place for the time period) digital effects into a silly,
low brow western comedy, the producers had better be prepared to pump
nitrous
into the theater's air conditioning system. Or pay careful attention to the
reactions on those screening cards and schedule a month worth of emergency
re-shoots…and pray.
Two weeks ago it was announced that they are indeed going to do extensive
reshoots based at least in part to the reactions at a recent screening.
Sonnenfield was quoted as saying he wanted the audience to "laugh more". He
went on, adding, "I feel we need some more jokes. The action is great, we've
got like 500 opticals that I know will turn out great, the pacing is fine,
but what I'd like is three or four additional scenes that will add 10 laughs
to the movie. I know exactly where the moments are, exactly how to achieve
this."
Harry I have to say that I am a huge fan of jokes. If directors of action
comedies were thoughtful enough to pack in an additional 10 laughs per film,
the world would be a happier place to live in. So I take my hat off to
Barry
for wanting us all to laugh more. But the problems with the film run
deeper.
The script is silly, awkward, and full of sweep 'em under the carpet holes
that I suspect the filmmakers hope will be missed based on the film's
fast-paced action style. I mean even the fifteen year old brother and
sister
next to me groaned at some of them.
Other concerns include:
· Kenneth's character is way over the top. With little believable backstory
or motivation, it is difficult to buy into his character at all. (Though I
have to admit that I will be one of the first to buy his toy if it comes
with
a motorized wheelchair and his S & M bedroom set!)
· Kevin's character. I mean how can anyone in the old west be expected to
stand up to a gigantic hydraulic spider that can blow up entire towns and
mountains of rock with fire balls of destruction? He is just way
over-matched, especially when he's the bumbling Doc Holiday of Professor
Gadgets.
· "It's a man's head." "It's a man's head?" "It's a man's head!"
· The use of women in the film. Yikes! In his past films Snowfield's
female
characters have for the most part been intelligent, industrious and
enjoyable
to watch. Reflect on that for a moment before you see WWW. You'll know
what
I mean.
· Adapting the old TV show into what it will be this summer. No one it
seems
was able to come up with a crafty character driven script built around Kevin
& Will VS Kenneth. So they backed up the truck and loaded it with stuff
that
doesn't work.
· The handicap and racial barbs that Will and Kenneth fire off at each other
during the film, especially during the film's climax. They are a bit on the
ugly side.
Pros:
· Will Smith as West. He tries his best to enliven this film with
credibility. The same brother and sister duo sitting next to me liked him
too.
· The theme song. Even though it seems to be taken from what I think is a
Stevie Wonder song, and it isn't exactly inspired from the music of the
period, it works.
· The giant spider. Out of place and not exactly believable, it sure is
well
done. Maybe they can rent to the Spiderman movie. Or the next Bond film.
Once again, I wish the production all the luck in the world with their
reshoots. I am more than willing to help them out with some more specific
observations, if they want 'em.
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That I for one will not waste my money on this steaming pile. The person I feel bad about being involved in this whole production is Kevin Kline, because he's a really great underestimated actor. Maybe this film will knock Will Smith off of his high horse he sometimes seems to be on. I mean, all the guy sings about is how much money he has and how "cool" he is. Blah to that!
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Hey, I hope I'm first. Anyways, it just seems to me that Wild Wild West is shaping up to be another huge-budget, effects-filled disappointment, as Godzilla was last year. And Batman & Robin before it. It will be interesting to see how far Will Smith's charisma goes at the box-office when it's mired in a generally bad film. And when is Warners going to get rid of Jon Peters? That guy is just terrible! Peter Bart describes him as basically a moron -- not that we needed anyone to tell us that. So what the hell is he doing on any project in Hollywood, let alone some of the biggest ones?
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This is going to be the biggest flop of the summer, hands down. If even the trailer makes me squirm, I cant imagine the whole movie. Hey, mabye we can torture that Kosovo commander we captured by making him watch this...Hmmm...Is that cruel and unusual punnishment?? I think so.....This summer's "Avengers" -
I think we all agree the second trailer for this movie was a big piece of shit. But... If this guy went to the screening a few weeks ago...then why did he wait to tell us about it now? He would've had a lot more credibility if he had posted this review BEFORE Sonnenfeld announced the re-shoots. Sounds a little iffy to me.
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I mean, no one will know what's happening with this film because we'll still be waiting to see Star Wars for the first time! And if we can't do that, we'll go see Austin Powers. The WWW trailer blew whopping chuncks, and only made me cry when I learned that Kevin Spacey and George Clooney had been considered for this film. This "theme song" Xcursion mentions had better not be that rap song. That along puts this movie in Batman and Robin-ville. The only thing worse is the Cheryl Crowe "Tomorrow Never Dies" song.
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Okay, it's possible Wild Wild West will suck. Personally, I think the trailer is fine except for the rap song, and the movie to me looks to be very much in the vein of past Sonnenfeld films-- odd, broad, funny. But a bunch of cranky fuckers who like to bitch about how "they didn't have gadgets and robots in the old west!!" (did you watch the Addams Family and say "hey, disembodied hands can't actually survive on their own!!"?-- you might as well have) and like to be the first who "knew" the movie would "flop." And ya know, now it stands a chance of flopping-- because audiences, and even moreso, the riot-nrrds that read and even contribute to sites like this, like to pretend to be "wary" and "savvy." Fuck that. People ate up Lethal Weapon Fucking 4, so if Wild Wild West bombs (and I guarentee it will be better than LW4), that just makes people a bunch of fucking hypocrites and/or overexcited naysayers, prematurely ejaculating "bad press" so eagerly that the film actually ends up affected, all under the guise of "the people having a right to know"-- even tho it's mostly just to serve the egos of a bunch of slobbering fuckers with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement. Love the site, but I don't like how "positions" are taken-- "a bunch of loyal fans saw early screenings and say the movie sucks, so it's sucks" -- that's absolute shite. This site attracts, mroe often than not, the pickiest bastard on the net. So you can all calm down with your lame-ass "Avengers of 99" or "Godzilla of 99" predictions. And The Avengers was a lot of fun, a fuck of a lot better than Six String Fucking Samurai.
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The WB should either cut its losses or reshoot the entire film with a different script. I'm not kidding and I know it is not economically feasible, but this movie is guaranteed to SUCK. With Godzilla at least there was some expectation that it might be good, or at least watchable. Nearly every test screening review for WWW has stated that the film sucks so why should the WB risk its rediscovered box-office credibility? Not even Will Smith or the re-shoots can save it.
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Didn't they do this movie 12 years ago when it was SILVERADO? Oh, I get it. It's like that whole BLUES BROTHERS 2000 thing. I'm like the only one I know that didn't particularily care AT ALL for MEN IN BLACK, but gave it the benifit of the doubt because it actually found an audience - Wait a sec, so did BLADE. There goes my theory. Anyway, it's amazing what one summer hit can do for you, as it's obviously done for Barry Sonnenfeld here. It gives a dumb-ass director the opportunity to say, "hmmmm, I'll bet ya I can take some big stars, some crazy visual effects, the most stupid script I can get my hands to rival ISHTAR." If anyone really wants to know the truth, I could care less about this film. The only reason I have a bit of a gripe is that it's a waste of Brannagh's talents. note: Can't wait for the WILD,WILD WEST animated series. Still waitin' on that BLADE one.
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Apr 22, 1999 12:36:36 PM CDT
And they also said a Chevy Chase talk show wouldn't work...
by javacycle
The Wild Wild West does seem to be lacking in good plot characteristics and backstage common sense, but on the other hand, it does have a large, walking spider. Let's give it up for toy placements!
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sorry about the last post. anyway, i can't say this movie will suck or not. Men in Black was boring ( it seemed like a thirty minute television show streched to an hour and a half) and in dependence day was, well lets just say it wasn't great. But the trailer for this did look cool(despite the rap song). I only wish they would have cast Bruce Campbell (ala Brisco County)in the role of James West. And am I the only person in the world who liked The Avengers? The movie may not have "rocked", but the opening was cool as hell and the production design was great.
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...and send the damned thing direct to video. As a fan of the old TV series, I watched helplessly as its original premise degenerated into pure camp (a result of the execrable Batman TV show that infected almost everything during that era). Now, it seems, that the Wild, Wild West is remembered as nothing but a cheesy campfest when, in fact, it began as a nearly serious action/adventure show. Most unfortunate. This latest incarnation of WWW loks about as appealing as a big, steaming pile of fresh horse dung.
I can't believe that Will Smith is shooting off his mouth about how this excruciatingly bad film is going to hold its own against Episode 1. No chance. Take this thing out and put a bullet through its head right now. The summer audience will thank you for it.
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Apr 22, 1999 1:03:02 PM CDT
Come on guys, we knew what to expect rrom this! and this will be
by spike lee
Why? because it has the guaranteed release date of July 2. Families do not go to grandmas and swing on an inner tube above the watering hole, they go to the movies. Baby Boomers will eat this up with their butter soaked popcorn. Will this movie suck? Yes, but we represent about 0.000001% of the movie going public. By this time everyone should have seen Star Wars, and the clones need to spend a holiday with the children and see as many fireworks on the screen as possible. See ya'll at the watering hole!
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.....The Wild Wild West is this year's Armageddon. It will have bad buzz around it but the stars and studio will promote it big time and it will gross $175-$200 million for certain. I think that it will get middling reviews with a couple of big slams. I think the audience will like it and I think it will be much funnier, more entertaining, shorter, less one-dimensional than Armageddon which wasn't awful but certainly not worthy of a July 2 release date. I hope Mission: Impossible 2 really rocks.
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As I've said before, I don't really like to critique a movie before I see it, but since I saw the trailer for this one, I might as well give it a go. WHY IN GOD'S NAME CALL THIS MOVIE WILD WILD WEST IF IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL TELEVISION SERIES??? Okay, maybe the names are used, but still. Giant spiders? Sci-fi gadgetry? What the hell? Okay, so MAVERICK wasn't the greatest movie in western civilization, but at LEAST it stuck to its original roots. Why call a movie WILD WILD WEST, set it in the past, and overload it with bizarre effects that would be more comfortable in a Bruckheimer movie? Where's the respect? Yeah, yeah, it just flew out the window with my seven fifty. I'm not much of a fan of TV show to movie adaptations, but I AM a purist. Whether you adapt a book, play, old movie script, TV show, a freaking NEWSPAPER article, I expect the original material to be adhered to rather closely. I mean, what's the point of buying a property if you're gonna shoot it to shit? Oh well, that's just one man's opinion, anyway.
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I've seen the WWW trailer....and to put it mildly, it sucks. You cannot, I repeat CANNOT combine rap music and the western genre. Hey....I KNOW...maybe this will be as successful as Mario Van Peebles and the movie POSSE (a.k.a. SHIT).
The spider does look menacing, I'll admit, and I think Kline could be very cool as a western inspector gadget type. However, if Will Smith calls anyone "Bitch" or says "whats up" or something like "Well, its ON now!!!!" I will gently set down my popcorn, walk up to the front of the theatre and shred the screen. The TV James West was uber-cool and incredibility suave.....Will Smith cannot pull this off-at least not in the way James West should be. I just know that Will will be doing some fancy pistol-twirling (you know, during moments when in real life his ass would be getting shot off?) instead of using hidden derringers, gadgets, or INTELLECT to get out of a bind. -
Thats INCREDIBLY suave---my bad.
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Wow, you people sure do curse a lot. I guess your statements need that much more, uh... PIZAZZ!! Anyway, let's put WWW on the side for a moment and talk a bit about ol' blow hard Harry in the Windy City. Congratulations, buddy, on fulfilling a life long dream of yours. NO ONE can take that away from you, but you should do a little something on your appearance. Harry, baby, you represent all the geeks that post here (not me, I BE COOL); so get a haircut, trim those long-ass pubes on your face, get some contacts. Oh yeah, WWW : Big willie style is all dat and jiggy ta' boot. P.S. HARRY - IT'S CALLED A SIT-UP!!! Try it some time
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The reason why he is the bumbling fool is because he has to be a bumblinger fooler than Will Smith is. I'm sorry, he's probably a nice guy under all that puffy, tough-guy smoke, but he comes across as a wimpy punk, to me. A buffoon who thinks he's tough (and funny) and has fooled everyone in his films to think he's a funny badass. So, to try to make him look the way he wants to look, they have to have Kline as comic relief, playing way beneath his level, just to make Smith look good. And as far as Jon Peters being a moron...since when has that EVER kept anyone from being successful in Hollywood?
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I tried, Lord how I tried, to believe in this movie. When I first heard the premise, a robotic romp through the Wild West, I though, that's so crazy, it just might work. When I heard about the huge mechanical spider, I thought, hey, that could be pretty cool! When I heard Will Smith was starring, my heart started to sink, but it was raised up again by the knowledge that Kenneth Branaugh would play the villain. I mean, Branaugh's an accomplished actor, a man who's done almost as much Shakespeare as Laurence Olivier, it seems. He's gotta bring class to this joint! And then . . . I saw that trailer. And I knew, without a shadow of a doubt, that this film would be a huge, heaping pile of robotic spider dung. My first thought was: why the hell are they trying to sell a movie about the old West with a rap song? My second thought was, why the hell is Kenneth Branaugh making such a fool of himself? My third thought was, why the hell are they trying to sell a movie about the old West with a rap song? That one just kept hitting me over and over. And I realized, watching that trailer, that the filmmakers had not taken the concept seriously at all, and this film was being put together to sell silly toys and singles of Will Smith's new song (which may not be a bad thing, if it gets "Miami" off the radio). Moreover, if the filmmakers had at least realized that they were not taking the concept seriously they might have turned out a lovable spoof a la AUSTIN POWERS. But no. What I saw looked like a confused mess: absurd script, poor acting, polished by entirely out-of-place effects. That said, this movie make still make money. Why? July 4 weekend, that's why. That's a movie going weekend, and WWW will clean up with a $30-$40 million take. After that, it'll steadily decline, barely crack the $100 million mark by the end of summer. The trades will all report on how disappointing it was in an article which is just across from an ad touting it as "one of the biggest July 4 openings ever!" And unfortunately, both will be right.
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As long as they are doing test audiences now before the movie comes out this summer, I think they may have a chance to save it if what you say is true. Never trust rough cuts -- they're called "rough cuts" for a reason. :-) Maybe if Sonnenfeld reads this site (everyone else in Hollywood seems to be reading it), he might get some ideas on what needs to be changed and what he can keep.
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I was praying this would be a good film, but even before this review, when I saw the preview -- I knew this would not be one of my happy summer film memories. It's a shame too, 'cause I loved the TV show (Artemus was my favorite), and I love Kevin Kline(even in Pirates of Penzance, hell, ESPECIALLY in Pirates of
Penzance! )
But anyway, looks like Austin Powers 2 has all my hopes hanging on it. Go Mike Myers! And long live reruns!
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He he he! Yes, Wild Wild West looks dumb. You know what was bad? Right off the bat, in the trailer, you see a RENDERED plane-thing fall off a cliff. Right there, you instantly are taken from the Old West into 90's Hollywood. Oh, wait, I forgot, rendering is good. Or so you think. However, I state again, that STAR WARS - EPISODE ONE is going to be the number-one, numero-uno BIGGEST DISSAPPOINTMENT of the year. First off, how could it not be? Second off, I personally, in real life, have not run into ANYONE that really cares that much that this movie is coming out. Just as the only people who saw Wing Commander are regulars to this site, the only people that hold Star Wars with blind, fervant regard above God and everything else are the people on this site. Except JMS, of course. But the site is still cool!
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I have long been wondering about the special affects and technical gadgets that might show up in this film.I know that for the time period it's going to be a stretch.I am not sure if this is a Will Smith movie, a summer movie or just another bad t.v. movie. Either way it doesn't look as if this movie is going to take off.
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I have long been wondering about the special affects and technical gadgets that might show up in this film.I know that for the time period it's going to be a stretch.I am not sure if this is a Will Smith movie, a summer movie or just another bad t.v. movie. Either way it doesn't look as if this movie is going to take off.
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"It is everywhere. You see it on the web. On Television. In Wal-Mart. It is the veil that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth." "What truth?" "That Star Wars is going to suck, Neo. Like everyone else, you have been lured into thinking it will be good. Even thought it went thru re-shoots, which usually means BAD, the Matrix has told you that it is still juicy and delicious. But, you must be THE ONE. The one who will realize that STAR WARS will be the biggest dissapointment of the year." "What are you telling me, that I can skip though the lines to see it?" "No, Neo. I'm telling you, if you avoid it, you won't have to."
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What this movie will show is whether audiences will show up to watch Will Smith read the phone book as long as he keeps that sneery smile or smiley sneer on his face. The WWW trailer has, except for cash cow Smith, the exact oily feel of the Avengers trailer, the "if we cut all the shit we've got together faster will you get so distracted and visually overwhelmed that you'll flop down your eight bucks please" style of trailer that has become de rigeur for dopey action fare. This movie will open alright at around 50-60 million then go on to barely graze a hundred if that. The bloom will get sucked off the rose faster than a pig through shit ... Does anyone remember the actual Godzilla numbers - I think it opened around $92 million over the long weekend and topped out at around $135 ... can anyone chart that for me on a fucking graph because this one will almost duplicate that Louganis. What's funny to me is, doesn't anyone at WB (the other studios aren't much better except New Line and Miramax for quality control)recognize the difference between a film put together by filmmakers a la the Wachowskis which has a look / story / characters etc. and just an assembled pile of turd that was flung together by cookie cutters who did just enough work to produce something that they could commit to celluloid. The paraphrase Bart Simpson, this looks to be far and away the summer's Number One Craptacular, followed at some distance by "Deep Blue Sea" and "Lake Placid"
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You do realize that the Episode One talkback is elswhere? But I would be interested in seeing your data on the people at this site being the only ones looking forward to it. Was your test sample perhaps limited to this site? You think maybe the majority of those anticipating it have never heard of this site? ***** And I hate to judge a film before seeing it but I must agree that the WWW trailer failed to inspire me. I guess I'll blow $5.00 on an afternoon showing. But then again I'm still glad not to have seen Wing Commander. (It'll probably be on the Sci-Fi Channel in two months)
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Oh' and why is this talkback screwed up?
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Actually, I think WWW could be salvaged, re-shot and re-edited into something workable -- into a 90-100 minute running time like MIB. Can anybody divulge the running time of the rough cut that was tested? If the film goes by quickly -- the action, the jokes, the cool visuals -- like the way MIB did, then WWW could be decent summer popcorn fare. Also, don't gripe about the technology used in WWW. It's SUPPOSED to be anachronistic -- that was part of the original show's (and Brisco County's) charm. Call it "steampunk" or "retro sci-fi," if you will. Perhaps new trailers should be cut that emphasize this point: "Not the 'wild west' you know, but the WILD, WILD WEST!" for example. If this retro-tech bothers you fellow geeks, then I imagine it could perplex the general moviegoing audience (Willie's rap song used in the new trailer certainly isn't helping this, I would assume, and I don't even think the song itself is all that bad -- but it should be used only for the end credits and radioplay). RE: Kevin Kline. You know, HE should have been cast as Inspector Gadget. I wonder if he was offered the role. RE: Star Wars 1. It's going to be big, but how big isn't going to depend on us geeks but on the kids (those 9 and under) and whether or not this film will matter to them, just as the original did to ours. Don't forget this. Otherwise, it'll just be a nostalgia trip for us old types. And those people already waiting in line for the film need to chill and truly get a life. Everybody will get to see SW-1 at least once this year. Hell, it'll very likely be released on video and DVD in time for this year's holiday buying season -- the kids and their parents probably know this, too.
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I have fond memories of watching the original "Wild Wild West" with my dad on friday nights. My mom worked late that night and we would always eat T.V. dinners and watch the show (that's why I never saw "The Brady Bunch"). "WWW" was essentially James Bond in the old west and was full of sci-fi gadgets and gizmos. The villains had submarines, shrinking machines and missle launchers, all with "old west" design elements. Actually the one problem real fans of the original will have with the movie aren't the sci-fi touches. They're with Will Smith's characterization. In the trailer, he screams in fear, wich is something the real James West would never do!
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Wild Wild West is another Warner Brothers mis-judgement. If only they'd use the same amount of money for the RESHOOTS of that mess to promote their GOOD film, "Iron Giant," it might stand a good chance of being the first film to out-perform Disney and be the U.S. animation market's first good stab at more mature animation.
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And followed the Will Smith casting controversy from the beginnning. The comment about Smith lacking a certain self-confident cool is correct. James West (in the series) was the kind of guy who could smile at you and then lash out and break your neck if he felt the need. Artemus Gordon was supposed to be a gadget and disguise genius who could get in anywhere and was constantly underestimated. George Clooney would have been a good choice (esp. after seeing Out of Sight). The trick to doing this kind of show or movie is to do it drop dead seriously. Take all of your elements as if they were real life. If you wink to the audience, they'll know you don't care, so why should they? There's nothing worse than someone TRYING to be campy. I don't intend to see this movie, because I don't want to think of it every time I think of the series. If people go and enjoy it, fine, go ahead. But now the movie I would have wanted to see of WWW will never get made.
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Isn't there a law yet that says Jon Peters isn't allowed to fuck up genres anymore? The funniest thing was when Sonnenfeld said that TPM probably cost more to make than this. Even in Episode 1 did cost more, it's going to make a billion bucks... this is going to make a lot of people rip their eyes out of their sockets.
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Okay, groan if you want, but I liked last year's "Godzilla." It may not have captured the tone of the original big green dude, but as giant monster flicks go it was fun. More shocking, I liked "Batman and Robin." No, its not the way I'd make a Batman movie but I still enjoyed the colorful action for what it was and certainly didn't think it was the stinker that everyone said it was ("Batman Forever" however did bite). Are those two movies classics in my mind? No, and neither will "Wild Wild West," yet I'm sure I'll enjoy it for an afternoon or evening escape.
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Come on everyone! Since the beginning, no one expected this movie to actually be good. So why all this anti-wild wild west thing. This movie will be lots of fun, will make a lot of money and be quite original in its visual style. Besides, its got great names attached to it. Forget Will Smith, but Kevin Kline and kenneth Branagh are surely respected. On the other hand, maybe the most important reason why I'm seeing this movie is because it stars one of the most beautiful actresses I've ever seen: Salma Hayek. WOW
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Go back and read thru the reviews on this site for films like The Avengers, My Farvorite Martian, Lost in Space, Godzilla, etc, etc... ad nauseum. They all have one thing in common, they all sucked. But, with no less than 20 similar projects in production at any given time we can all rest assured that we will be seeing our childhood favorites pimped out to to the likes of Barry Sonnenfeld, Akiva Goldman, and perhaps even Joe Esterhas(sp?) and Renny Harlin can make a comeback attached to the latest load of bat guano guised in the form of a TV or movie "classic". The worst part of it, (and yes, I in moments of weakness have been guilty) is that fans of the "classic" property, shell out almost ten bucks to see it , unaware of the stinkbomb that awaits. I think that we will have to exercise the discipline to stay away from ALL of these films for at least a couple of weeks, so that the "KILLER OPENING WEEKEND SYNDROME" loses much of its punch with the studios. I think that perhaps 70% of these pictures would not be made if studios thought the "hardcore" genre fans (that's us kids) would stay away until reliable reviews (thanks Harry)were available. Tell me what You think, I can take it.
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You know who the real loser in this whole WWW rigamarole is? Kool Moe Dee. He had the theme song written years ago. Not only was the title right, it is also the only rap song ever recorded that is actually good.
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hello. i've never posted before.
i dont see how everyone can criticize a movie which they haven't seen. its true there might be a few of you who have seen some form of this movie but looking at your comments it seems as if most of you are basing your opinions on the trailer alone. i've seen the trailer, and i dont think the movie looks any worse than any random summer action flick. oh but wait, it does look DIFFERENT. the biggest complaint seems to be the use of Will Smith's rap song for an old west flick? an old west flick? with a giant mechanical spider? it doesn't look like its supposed to be an old west flick. in no way was i given the expression from the trailer that it was a typical western. they might be in a setting that looks like the old west, but will smith is in it and a giant mechanical spider, not to mention the rap song blaring away,in no way do these things make me think," wow, they tried to do a western, but, damn did they get it all wrong." .. and for people who say that they totally screwed up the old t.v. show... well.. i'm 19, i'm your typical movie goer for this kind of fare and i never even heard of a Wild Wild West t.v. show, odds are that anyone else around my age bracket and younger haven't either. why would you wanna remake a t.v. show that at least half your audience hasnt heard of? why wouldn't you take advantage of Will Smith being in your movie and have him make a theme song that will sell a few hundred thousand copies and get a few thousand to see your movie? the wierd thing is alot of the people saying that this is nothing like a western movie, and how could anyone dare have a rap song as the theme for a western, are the same people who are always criticizing George Lucas, among others, for being un-original. Then if something doesn't fit into one precious genre they attack it. c'mon boys, if your gonna criticize at least use consistent logic.
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Hold onto you hats, little kiddies as I take you back into the day when Wild Wild West was on the television. Remember the slick, smooth - okay, goddamit, it was SUAVE... Robert "Knock this battery off my shoulder" Conrad was cool. Do you remember how, each week, you'd watch and try and figure out which scene was going to be the one that got frozen?
This show was all about style and this movie - could be wrong, haven't seen it - doesn't show you any of that style.
My friend says this to me, "Dig this trailer. In the distance, a train is rolling toward us. Jim and Artemus are running along the top. The train flies by and breakneck speed. Jim slips off the edge of the train car. Artmemus reaches - can't quite get to him - the pistol extends from Jim's shirt sleeve and Artemus pulls him back up onto the train car. The train shuttles down the tracks and into the blinding sun. A logo shoots up: one word - Wild. Second word - Wild. Third - West... This summer."
You saw that in the theatre and you'd sure as shit check this film out.
(of course, you'd show up and get disappointed because the rest of the film isn't as cool as the trailer...)
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Ok...I Know this is gonna offend the politcally correct, but there is one thing about WWW that really bugs me....Wil Smith is black. Jim West was white.I *am NOT* some racist...but this irritates me. I would just as soon see Bruce Willis as Blade (which,by the way,was a cool movie...no Oscar matierial,but cool nonetheless.), Arnold Schwarzenneggar as Shaft, Jackie Chan as Peter Parker, the Amazing Spiderman ,or Harrison Ford as Kunte Kinte in a remake of Roots.All of these actors are excelent at what they do...but the roles have established backgrounds. Part of that background is what the characters are.And I dont mean just race. Can you imagine Marlon Brando as Batman? NO! why not? Cause hes so big he warps local space-time ,and Batman is supposed to be in physically near perfect condition. Could you Imagine Haille Berry playing the Queen in Episode 1? I love her as much as the next guy,she is a *goddess*...but I couldnt accept her in that role.
I know this is gonna piss a lot of people off....but that is just how i feel.If a story has an established mythos about it...dont screw with it while attempting to placate the politically correct fascism now prevelant in Hollywood. Just my point of view...Thus spaketh Hikaru. -
RUOK, I like your hypothetical trailer much better. Unfortunately, "breakneck speed" on a 19th century train was about 30-35 MPH. ***** Hikaru, why couldn't the young queen be black? (or Asian or Indian or Native American or whatever?) If Othello can be played properly by a black man why can't James West be black? (not that I expect much from this film)
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I'm with Powerslave..... they should deep-six that awful Will Smith tune (that coasts on a riff stolen from Stevie Wonder's classic, "I Wish,") and utilize Kool Moe Dee's version of "Wild Wild West." That seems like a no-brainer to me. "I used to live downtown, 129th Street....."
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This movie's fate rests on only one factor: Not effects, which can be finessed right up to the end, not some hokum rap song, not Kevin Kline, not even a lack of a great script and, in fact, not even Will Smith's performance, be it good or bad. This movie will solely be a litmus test as to whether America is sick of Smith, that's all. Has his persona reached saturation point, to the degree that what he says doesn't matter but that the fact he's the one saying it is? It's a real possibility. I remember some of his promo stops on the talk shows for Enemy Of The State, and the feeling I got from all who saw him was they felt he'd gotten too big for his britches, his ego was a tad inflated. Funny thing is that the public is ever eager to produce the necessary stick-pin for that dilemma. Will they forgive and forget, or will they take a poke? That's yet to be seen. DWD out.
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note to Zygote: Othello is played by a black man, because thats what he is. that is how shakespeare wrote him and how he is intended to be played.
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Apr 22, 1999 7:45:19 PM CDT
Maybe if we're lucky, Peters will get scrapped from Superman...
by kingkrypton
Given the bad buzz surrounding the Jon Peters-produced WILD WILD WEST, it's only a matter of time before this thing falls apart at the box-office. And I hope it does, becuase it may be just the thing that gets Jon "I'm a hack and I'm proud of it" Peters off of SUPERMAN! And if that happens, we can see a real producer (namely, Richard Donner) take the reins and a real writer-director (namely, Nicholas Meyer) get a hold of Supes and send him soaring to new heights! And maybe we can get rid of Peters on SANDMAN, too!
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Maybe I am just wrong about this, but is Othello SUPPOSED to be a black man (a Moorish King)? I, too, wince at the thought of Will Smith as James West, but after seeing Six Degrees of Separation, I know he has some acting skill. He also has an ability to please the audience. Most of the stuff he has been in has been weak, but at least watchable due to his presence (and Tommy Lee Jones' in MIB). White people have been playing other ethinic roles for years. I don't have a problem with a little table-turning. That having been said, let me join the chorus calling WWW "Godzilla '99". It just has that...smell about it. But it aint over til the fat lady sings (on premier night, that is)
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I think we should give Foster the benefit of the doubt and assume he was thinking of the 1965 film in which the Moor was played by Laurence Olivier, and typed the wrong word. It happens ... Or maybe he was just being ironic. Who knows.
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You have to look at the casting of Will Smith as West as simple demographics. He is black and he has a fan base between races. The black demographic are seeing more movies now more than ever. I think I read that their attendance is up 28% from 1997. Magic Johnson knows this and is building movie theaters in mostly black urban areas all over the country. Another example of this type of casting, I feel, is that chick Britney being cast in I Still Know Yada Yada Yada. They are trying to pull in the "black" audience in what was usually a "white" movie more and more now so expect to see more of this type of "demographic casting" in the future.
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Without a doubt one of the worst trailers I've ever sat through in all my life. It seems to sum up EVERYTHING that is wrong with Hollywood today. The only positive thing I could say about it is if maybe if we showed it to the 20,000 Kosovo refugees about to invade America they might reconsider.
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It could be ok.I thought the trailer was pretty cool.The rap song did suck,though.I saw the trailer yesterday,before the very over-rated The Matrix.Will Smith annoys the shit out of me in everything he's done except for Enemy Of The State,which was my favorite action movie of '98...and is one of my favorites of all time.Anyway,Will annoys me,so I kinda ignored his parts in the trailer,but the rest looked cool...Kevin Kline and Kenneth Branagh look like they do good in their roles,Salma Hayek looked great as always,and the bicycle plane and giant spider both kicked ass.Not my kind of movie,I hate summer action movies,but it looks ok for what it is.Plus,it was co-written by a couple guys who wrote Tremors,one of my favorite movies,SS Wilson and Brent Maddock.Their writing is the only reason I'll ever see this.But if action is your thing,and you liked MIB,you'll probably like this.
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Someday, a movie will be made that will cost an exorbanate (sp?) ammount of money and will totally flop at the box office. Im not talking Speed 2 or Avengers, Im talking BIG TIME flop--like what TITANIC couldve been if it starred a couple old people like Costner and Stone as opposed to Winslet and Dicaprio (who is the real reason the movie made so much--OH LEO!). Someday, when this happens, shit will hit the fan in Hollywood. TITANIC was a lucky fucking fluke that saved Hollywood's ass for a few more years. Had it failed, it wouldve finished what Speed2, B & R, and Avengers started (oh wait, Avengers came after, oh well). Anyway, someday, a BIG BIG movie will make dick at the B.O. Will WWW be it?
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The first striking error in this review is that the guy says he saw the movie at the AMC Mercado 20 in Redwood City. I live in that area and the AMC Mercado 20 is NOT in Redwood City. It is in Santa Clara, a city about 20-30 miles south of Redwood City. (AMC theaters have one name only out here, so there couldn't be two Mercado 20's.) I would know as the Mercado 20 is the only theater I ever go to.
So, as soon as you realize this guy got his cities mixed up (anyone who lives in the SF Bay Area knows the difference between Redwood City and Santa Clara, and it's unlikely they would confuse the two, but I guess it _could_ happen), you have to be extra critical about his review.
The biggest thing, then, is that he doesn't offer any information about the movie that you couldn't have gotten from watching the preview. There are no spoilers. I could've written this review after watching the trailer for Wild Wild West when I saw the Matrix (at the Mercado 20, by the way.)
Second, as someone else pointed out, why did this guy wait so long to send this review to Harry?
Looks to me like this is just someone who's anti-Will Smith or anti-Warner Brothers spouting off, folks. If he writes back with spoilers about the movie that only he could know from watching it and not the trailer, then I'll believe him. -
Bruce Campbell should be James West, Kevin Kline is perfectly cast as Artemus, and Will Smith should've had nothing to do with this. I got no problem with him personally, but he should know his limitations. He cannot play a white man. Do all the revisionist history you want, but it won't change the fact that a black man couldn't get a job in the Old West, let alone a government gig. Rap songs don't belong in the Old West, this movie should have been truer to the old show, which ruled, and Will Smith should show us he can act instead of showing us he can jive. He's a one-trick pony and he needs to show us a new one fast or he's history. Why does every movie have to serve all the demographics? I can understand it in a McDonald's commercial, but not every movie needs the token black character, the token Chinese character, and the token Mexican character. In fact, not every movie needs the token white character. If they belong there, and if they are the best ones for the job, fine, then hire them, but do not hire them so that your movie will appeal to everyone and make a ton of money. Look at Titanic, there wasn't a single minority in the entire movie and it made oodles of cash. Why? Because a good story is what people want. Sure, it had its faults, but it was still a damn good story that was very well told and that is why it succeeded. Not because every teenage girl thinks DiCaprio is cute. That wasn't enough for Man in the Iron Mask to be the best film of all time, now was it? You make a good movie and people will come (As in Matrix). You make a bad movie and you can plug in all the demographics research you want and it will still be a bad movie.
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Zygote,the reason the Queen (cant remember her name right off hand) In The Phantom Menace cannot be black is because she is the mother of Luke and Leia,who are as lily white as they come. simple genetics . And Yes,Othello was a moor,and Olivier,who is a giant among actors,was definately miscast. The morals of the day prevented a back person from properly filling that role,same way that "Demographics" said that America wouldnt accept Bruce Lee as Qui Chang Kane,and we wind up with "Kung Fu" starring a
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You have Kung Fu starring a white fellow,as a "half " chinese. what rot!
As far as Wil Smiths other films go,ID4 was eye candy,but cool... havent see 6 degrees yet...Enemy of the State rocked (and made me paranoid as hell too),and MIB was more eye candy,though more cartoonish. The man has potential...but i dont think this movie does.Thus Spake Hikaru. -
I agree with you. I too have nothing against black actors, as Morgan Freeman is probably my second favorite actor next to Anthony Hopkins. I never for once doubted Freeman's role as the Prez in Deep Impact. He is a fucking magnificent actor who just radiates pure presence, and he brought a whole helluva lot to his role(I tend to think maybe prejudice does have some significance in why he has not taken a MUCH DESERVED Oscar yet). Smith on the other hand, is pure box office draw. When filmmakers aren't too confident about the strength of the film(i.e. script, acting, impact), they tend to sell out, hoping to get the big numbers just from sheer B.O appeal, which Smith has. I thought he was great in the rather bland M.I.B. He sucked in ID4 cuz ID4 sucked diseased monkey ass diarrhea through a twisty, fun straw. But this role requires more strong demeanor, more sincere macho panache, more suave, and more pure presence. Clooney would have been wonderful for the role. He has yet to have a role that really allows him to shine, except for the terrific Out of Sight. Smith is just not right for the role. James West was white, Shaft is black, and Bruce Lee is asian(huh?). Race does contribute to a role to some degree. Whom on this board would NOT groan if Shaft was remade starring a WHITE man? I certainly would utter a silent sigh of contempt. There is no prejudice in thinking this way, especially if, like someone on this topic already stated, you're a purist. Remake the T.V. series with the intent of remaking it bit by bit, minute detail by minute detail. Would a black man, during the Old West, be where Smith's West is during the same time period? Prolly not, which is the source of my incredulity, which is the point in the first place of my post. I do sincerely hope no one takes this the wrong way or makes something out of nothing. The movie will suck anyway...
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Apr 22, 1999 11:43:40 PM CDT
"I have a message for you, and I do not think you're going to li
by methos
The problem with "The Avengers" was essentially the idea of taking a cult '60s show and spending around $70 mil. A BRITISH television series with a cult fan base not large enough in the long run. The biggest mistake was stylizing the movie after its namesake's low budget look. Ever notice how small the cast is? Add cameos by people more famous/infamous (Shawn Ryder) in England and Scotland plus Warners insisting on test screenings that always go bad plus delaying the film and drastically cutting away in a desparate manner plus the final insult, no world premiere or screenings for the critics = of course you'll get bad results. If they'd paid a little more attention and care, kept the original early June release date, and been a little savvy they would've had better box office and medium to mediocre reviews.I just went to see Uma Thurman in all her outfits.
Anyways, I just wanted to chime in and point out that Jon Peters &
Peter Guber did NOT produce Barry Levinson's "RAIN MAN." Spielberg kicked both cocaine and hairdresser rank asses off the project before "INDIANA JONES & THE LAST CRUSADE" conflicted with his schedule. Believe it! That's why neither have an Academy Award. The picture of them both holding one in the book "Hit and Run" is in fact an Oscar borrowed from screenwriter Barry Morrow. Ten years ago Peters was busy fucking up what prevailed to be the quintessential summer movie of the decade, and meeting Kim Basinger in his hotel suite every night. Now he's nothing. Michael Bay could eat his ass for breakfast. I guess he's busy considering polar bears and supermen colors. I guess his talents have come full circle. I'm sure Barbara cares a lot. -
You know I read like eight postings and on this subject and then I stop. The only people that are probably dogging this movie are you Starwars drones. All your postings are all the same and have been said and bitched about over and over and over again. Can't you drones come up with something new to bitch about. You bitch about the trailer, Will Smith playing Jim West, how fake it's going to be, how corny the spider is, and the bad reveiws it's got. For shit sake it's a fucking movie. Of course it's going to be fake. You know I've excepted the fact that you Starwars drones are everywhere and show up on every single posting on AICN but if your going to bitch and whine about a movie you have never seen then bitch and whine about something new. Something you know for a fact about this movie. And I really do wish that you drones could come up with reasonable reasons for hating this movie you have not seen. Do you drones always have to agree with a reveiwers opinion? Of course you do that is why you are called drones. Why don't you people make a judgement after seeing the movie instead of before you see the movie? The fact is that you have not seen this movie and you do not know if you are going to like it or hate it untill you see it. You can't judge a movie from it's trailer. Where does logic come in for you people? Oh ya I forgot that drones don't have logic. Go get a fucking brain and go see the movie for yourself and make your judgement. Don't let a reveiwer make your movie choice for you.
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Hey, listen, the only reason that I got suckered into seeing that flop Avengers was for the prurient intrest in seeing Uma in leather.Dissappointment, as well as my girlfriend's snoring is all I remember! I saw the Wild Wild West trailer before the Matrix also... Now, I'm not saying a trailer is the be all of a film, but when it sucks so bad that you feel embareassed for seeing it, you kinda think the flim will suck too! I think they should charge a higher admission, and shred the print of the film as you watch
- thus making you one of the privledged few to actually witness the horror, which will become more deluded by your faulty recall until you actually believe that you liked it. Then, the studio should hire more hacksters to remake it at the cost of billions! Actually, I used to watch the reruns of West as a kid, and it never was more than just an excuse for stuntwork, damn the conventions of the west and sci-fi. A fun excuse, though. By the way, I'm sure episode I will dissappoint some, but I still get a shiver in anticipation. Let Lucas do what he wishes, its his thing. -
Ok. You're bitching about us bitching? Now I'm gonna bitch about you bitching about us bitching. Lemme guess. You think this steaming pile of shit is gonna ROCK. Sure, go ahead with your delusions of granduer(guess I am a Star Wars drone after all). Your opinion matters just as much as every other drones does. You can, like the rest of us drones, freely post your opinion about this flick, whether it be optimistic, or drone-ishly pessimistic. I, being the drone that I am, thinks this movie will suck like Godzilla and Avengers combinded and multiplied by Batman & Robin. But I'm a drone, and logic defies me. So what do I know? Guess us drones are sick of big budget, poorly written, ill conceived plot black holes that only plague our summers with thoughts of despairity on the current disheartening state of Hollywood when films that should truly get made are pushed aside so that Mr. Anti-Drone JSG can get his dose of mindless, Will Smith rap fests. Damn, that really hurt my drone-ish brain. Oh well, it grows late and my drone hybernation capsule is lookin' awful sweet and warm right about now. Good night, fellow drones. Until we can ramble mindlessly on once again...
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Apr 23, 1999 9:41:26 AM CDT
Hey Harry, how about limiting the length of these damn posts? t
by the cleaner
who has time to read these book length posts? I have no interest in reading you peoples life stories or theories on the meaning of life. Anything more than 500 words is too fucking much; and means you don't know how to express yourself succinctly. You guys must be used to being ignored in real life, 'cause you get a serious case of verbal diarhea once you get going on here. The only person I don't mind being long winded is Harry
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Ok dude I guess I came off like a total dick head and I guess I was being one. I took the drone thing a little to far. What I was really trying to get off was that your judging a movie you haven't even seen yet. The fact as I said before is that you have not seen this movie but you seem to KNOW that this movie is going to suck a big fat dick. Now I can see your point if you have made a judgement on this movie judging on it's trailer. That's fine because we all make judgements on movies we have not seen and we proclaim them dumb before we have seen them. But then go back to reality and realize that you haven't seen this movie you are proclaiming dumb. How do you know it's full of plot holes and has bad acting or whatever untill you actually see the movie. Dude I would defend a fucking Care Bears movie. The fact that I'm defending the Wild, Wild West doesen't mean I'm looking forward to it. It means that I'm going to make a judgement after I see the movie. Not before. And there's not one thing that is going to make me not want to see this movie. Not a bad reveiw or bad buzz. Nothing. I'm going to make my own judgement. And I happen to be a big Starwars fan but I don't bow down before it. Now I'm going to ask you a question. Why do you hate this movie so much already? Sure you've seen the crapy trailer. Sure there's been bad buzz and bad reveiws about it. But does that mean this movie sucks? If you do for these reasons than you clearly have no mind of your own. That's why I use the term DRONES. I don't mean it like you think I mean it. All I really want is a reasonable reason for hating this movie you have not seen. Have you read the script and think it sucks? If you have than that's a damn good reason for hating this movie. Have you seen the movie already at like a test screening? If you have than that's another good reason for hating it. If you haven't done any of these things than there's no reason for hating this movie. If there's no reason for hating this movie than why are you judging it. I'm asking a simple question. And that is to give me a reasonable reason for hating this movie you probably havn't seen? I'm not trying to be a asshole man I'm just trying to see why everybody won't give a movie they haven't seen a chance. You could be totaly right. The Wild, Wild West could totaly suck but you don't KNOW that.
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As a big fan of the TV show, I was less than thrilled to read your review. I was already upset that Will Smith was cast as James West. It's not that Will is a bad actor, I enjoyed him in "Men in Black," but he's not the rough and rugged, James Bond-type that West needs to be (Where are you Robert Conrad!). However, I had (or have) big hopes for Kevin Kline. He seems to be perfectly cast as Artemus Gordon, the wiley master of disguise.
However, I have one comment concerning your criticsm. In fact, I've noticed this in other articles concerning the trailer. This concerns the "out of place for the time period" elements, ie. the giant spider, etc. Have you ever watched the TV show? That was part of the show's fun. It was James Bond meets the Old West, with a little Jules Verne thrown in for good measure. I mean, they had atomic bombs, robots, etc. It was a wild hybrid of action, western and science fiction... along with greatest fight scenes in TV history.
Anyway, I'm sure the rest of your report is accurate (sigh). I bet they're not even going to use the TV theme song (if only Danny Elfman would be hired to do a '90's version of the theme, like he did with "Mission Impossible").
God this movie is going to suck, I just know it...
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You know I wrote that Othello thing about 3 hours after I should have gone to bed. (The two pints of Guinness didn't help either) Late last night as I was drifting off I sat straight up in bed and thought "What the fuck did I just write?" I know that I had some point I wanted to make in my sleep deprived and alcohol befuddled brain, but today I'm not sure what it was. The moral: Don't drink and type. But I would like to point out that a white friend of mine is married to a very pretty black woman and they have two beutiful children who look much more European than African so I still don't see the arguement that the Queen couldn't have looked like Halli Berry. And I think that Smith could be a worthy James West if he acted more like James West. Perhaps we're blaming the actor when we should blame the writers.
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BTW, I agree that this was made for the 15-23 age group. I just wish *everything* wasn't. For the record, the writers of WWW have brought us this: Tremors 2: Aftershocks (1995), Heart and Souls (1993) (story), Tremors (1990) (story), Ghost Dad (1990) (also story), Short Circuit 2 (1988), batteries not included (1987), and Short Circuit (1986). Make of this what you will. To me it says "Hey! I've never written a big budget, bad ass actioner before!" Perhaps a previous poster was right, perhaps Will Smith would work with better writers. (BTW, my opinion has been formed by following the production and judging how seriously they're taking it. They won't get my money on opening weekend.)
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Short Circuit and it's unfortunate follow up have got to be two of the worst films that I have ever seen. Although I must confess that I did enjoy Tremors a bit. I wouldn't put it on my best list though. So the WWW screenwriters have a less than stellar record. As much as I try to refrain from judging a film prior to seeing it, I have little enthusiasm for this film and will be surprised if it's any good.
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For the first time ever, I agree with almost everyone in a talkback forum. Will Smith as West? I mean, come on! Anyone with the audacity to name a weekend after himself (a.k.a. Big Willie Weekend) needs a swift kick to the head. And if you're gonna go with a "black rapper-type" moviestar, why not choose a REAL "black rapper-type" moviestar, not Will Smith, the whitest black man in hip hop.
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I think it will suck cuz I'm tired of getting my hopes up for films, especially big budgeted ones, only to feel that my $6.25 was wasted. The same thing happened with Godzilla, MIB, Ronin, etc. and I'm TIRED of it. Shit after shit is assembly lined out of Hollywood with no end in sight to it. If the trailer sucks, pretty likely so will the film since big summer movies like this one in question tend to showcase it's best moments in trailers, Micheal Bay style. The MIB trailer was cool as shit, but the film rather disappointed me because of it's lack of substance. You having postive feelings about this film is the same as me NOT having the same thoughts about it. Neither of us have seen it, the script, anything, yet we have already condemmed/praised it. That is what this forum is about, to express feelings, thoughts, outlooks, predictions, etc. Think I don't get tired of JMS Forever shit rolling Episode 1 every chance he/she gets? Well, I do yet I acknowledge that it is his/her right to do so, just as it is my right to think otherwise. Hope this clears up my position...
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Alright, I don't know whether this movie is any good or nor, but what the hell is the deal with all these weird nitpicky complaints?
Of course the "REAL" western 19th century America did not have robots, gadgets, giant spiders, legless wheelchair villians, Will Smith, etc.
But then again so what? I mean am I the ONLY one who seems to get the impression that this film is taking a Jules Verne type look at the old west? And also didn't anyone notice that the film Men In Black featured ridiculous gadgets,
aliens, memory erasers, a silly plot, and lots of flashy effects? And that film seemed okay... Oh yeah BTW for all the racial complaints: 30% of the cowboys in the old west WERE black. I know they didn't walk around shooting up robots, but they did in fact EXIST. I think that WB logo throws everyone off since the Batman and Robin fiasco.
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Ok I see your point and think that that's a fine reasonable reason for thinking that this movie is going to suck. I agree that it really sucks to be dissapointed when your really looking forward to something. Personally I'm looking forward to WWW. The reason I am is because I loved MIB and think Will Smith is very cool. But I do admitt that I am scared about WWW for lots of reasons but am still hoping Will Smith can pull off another fun movie. Anyways I do hope that Wild, Wild West won't dissapoint. Hopefully it well be a funny, clever and amazing film. Take it easy.
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Why is Sonnenfield doing this?
Ok, so MIB made buckets of money, and had its share of admirers (the film was ok IMOP) but his best work yet has been "Get Shorty". I've heard he's slated for "Be Cool" (the very cool sequel by Leonard to Get Shorty), but there's a whole slew of Leonard books yet to be brought to the screan (Freaky Deaky, or Cuba Libre, I hear Tarantino bought the rights to Bandits -- can't wait)
With the exception of "Touch", all of the Leonard films have been excellent.
I'll see WWW, the FX do look rather neat, but it certainly isn't high on my lists of must-see's ths summer.
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So what if some people think the movie is going to suck? (excuse my language) WWW looks like an exciting action movie that many will see over the summer.
The thing about out-of period gadgets is the whole point of the movie. WWW isn't about the old West, but about James West. If the movie was exactally like the old shows, there would be no point to making a movie-- you could just watch old reruns. It's okay to have an African American James West, just as it's okay to have a huge mechanical tarantula terrorizing a city-- it's only a movie. Relax, suspend your disbelief and enjoy!
-xylok
P.S. See ya at the movies, June 30!
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