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‘Neil Young’s Still Playing But Winterland’s Gone!!’ Let's Have A Chat About JOURNEYMAN!!
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SPOILERS!!
"Yeah. Good luck with that."
Livia, it turns out, lives in 1948.
Tachyon researcher Elliot Langley turned up tonight, and he seems to know something about what’s happening to Dan Vasser. Was he hinting the government had built a Time Tunnel to combat terrorism?
Thanks to the $20 bill, the FBI seems to think Dan is into Time Travel.
What goes on here??
Also, Dan decided some hippies were okay because they were headed to a Neil Young concert.
This is my kind of show! And I’ve been getting requests from readers who do not seem to be crushing on the many exciting Journeyman threads in AICN’s The Zone.
So take up valuable bandwidth with your predictions and reactions.
10 p.m. Mondays. NBC.
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in his present. i've been thinking about this and have decided that even if it was possible for him to jump back into the moment when he left, it would probably be a logistically poor idea as his person is still physically aging no matter where he goes. compounded over time, his jumping back in might cause him to appear to prematurely age. and who else thinks Dan is and has been Livia's assignment since she jumped into the 1980's and "stayed there"?
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Tonight's episode was GREAT !
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Chuck, Heroe, Journeyman. That plus my Smallville, and block of NBC Thursday comedies makes TV worth watching. Gonna be boring when the writers strike catches up to us.
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It would get 3,000 times as many responses. That's because Journeyman sucks.
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I've usually had it on while I've been doing something else, not really paying attention to it. But the last couple of weeks...well, they're actually tying this shit together, aren't they? This ain't Quantum Leap. We've got ourselves a pretty decent story arc here, it looks like. Granted, there is a lot of fat on this thing, and some serious lag, so I certainly can relate to anyone who's finding it boring. I get that. But the acting is above-par, and there's obviously some real thought being given to how this time-travel thing works, because it's not just him, it's STUFF, like money and wine moving back and forth, so the writers definitely have something more than some silly supernatural explanation going on here. I dunno. I really can relate to the complaints, but I like these actors in these roles.
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I've been hooked since week 1 and they totally ironed out the characters. NBC has a winner with this one and an overall solid Monday night.
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*Pokes TalkBack*It's real! A real Journeyman TalkBack here on AintItCool. My goodness.I haven't watched Winterland yet so I better scidadle before I spoil this episode for myself!
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We'd get the same intelligent comments. That's because Epsilon sucks.
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things are finally picking up, and mckidd is such a great actor. i wonder if dan will look up what becomes of olivia now that we know she lives/lived in the past? ...and who else has no clue why this langley guy is being so mysterious? i mean beyond it being a tv show, why wouldn't this guy just let dan and olivia know what the deal is with all this time travel? he told dan not to tell anybody about his book, obviously refering to his time travel adventures, but i'm dying to see his brother to finally believe him.
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Love this show, it's put a new spin on the time-travel genre shows which all had that "lost in time" crap played out to the max. The challenges of balancing his normal life and relations in one time with the ramifications of his involvements in the past are providing great drama. Fingers crossed it doesn't go the way of the Dodo because of this bloody writers strike!
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I'm not being a smart-ass. Seriously, who goes there? A lot of the regs? I've never even clicked on it, honestly ... always too busy checking out the next Talkba — ooo there's another one!
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Thank you for the Talkback, Herc. It's been a long time coming.
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i look forward to this show mmore than any of the new season shows. its a grower, but woefully promoted by nbc. its intelligent, well acted and definately worth watching. i'd like to thank my fellow geeks on aicn for mentioning the show, which peaked my curiosity enough to actually go and watch the epsiodes.
please tell all your friends to wtach and lets get a groundswell fo support going for this show. it deserves a bigger audience, and deserve to survive and continue. on tv now there is a woeful lack of great shows with a scifi edge. this is one of the good ones. watch it, cuase everyweek it gets stronger and better . thanks aicn for putting a thread up!
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Hey, if you want to get into this show, by all means. I saw the pilot and really liked it. Just know that the ratings are in the crapper and it probably won't last a full season. In fact, I doubt it will survive the strike.
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This is one of the better genre shows on TV. Give it a chance. If not; you are missing out on a quality show with one hell of a intro.
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My love for this show grows every week. I love how much of a slow burner it is. Who would have thought that all these seemingly stand alone episodes and Dan's travels in the past would combine into an excellent and dramatic story arc for the present?!? Not I!! I am telling all my friends about this show, and so far the ones who have watched it love it. God, I really hope that Journeyman survives the strike.
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"On a purely pendantic observation the Treasury Department should be investigation the currency not the Feebs."
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I am glad that its pickin up and developing nicely.....I am so glad that they are bringing stuff from past eps in...ie- the $20 bill from the brother vasser's rookie days....
some thoughts that I had...*****SPOILERS******so livie seems to be trailing dan...and that's why she 'left' in the plane...how do we know she's a good...? the dumping of the cash in the convenience store should've majorly screwed the timeline a bit (as mentioned already)...it's obvious that dr.tacheon is from the future...it'll be interesting to see what they actually built....
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It's by far the best show of the season and overall has been more consistently good than the lackluster season.
What looked as a "helping a different person each week" genre show has slowly developed it's own growing mythology that keeps me interested.
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Are they still gettin' pizza and bagels brought to 'em? I've yet to see this Journeyman but it feels very x-files-ish. y tu Herc? Neil young er... no thanks get me Hendrix!
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Now we are all squarsies. Unless you are a gay man or hetero woman, then Dan Vasser still owns your ass. Carry on.
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Isley Brother's song like that you know things are getting better...hope it's not time to cancel. All I asked was that the story lines get darker and they have, although the soft, creamy, feelgood center is still there.
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Did anyone notice the homage to Back to the Future 2 a few weeks ago when Journey Man tackles himself to the ground and says "Stay Down and Shut Up" just like Marty tells Marty Jr.?
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I cant believe there are rumours that it will be canceled.
First, it is simply just smart and well-written. Not simply a re-hash of Quantum Leap it doesn't resort to the tired and hokey jump per week and leave it at that. WHile there is a jump per week, with each episode, we learn how Dan struggles and copes with his time-travel ability. This adds so much depth to the show. More important, here is a sci-fi show my wife loves. She turned to me last night with a theory on how Dan could avoided a time-travel conumdrum with the DB Cooper money. My wife hates scifi, so this is a monumental occasion! Anyway, it's a great show, and it would be a shame to see it go!
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But is it enough for it to survive? Do I have my priorities slightly skewed when I tell you that I live in fear not from terrorists, gang shooting, or robbery but from my favourite shows being cancelled?!? Journeyman is refreshing and I hope to God that it survives at least one complete story arc.
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i go there and it asks for username and password which is not the same as my AICN one. Is this a seperate registration?
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They go and show a real "character" moment" at the end and make him human. This show has some of the best written characters on TV right now. Not sure if he took the $20, and how would that help if he did.(his doctor girlfriend is hot, BTW)
Dr. Langley last night was very cool. His (not-so-cryptic) message was great!
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Let's see if I can start a flame war here - I think that Dan Vasser's current wife has a better body than Olivia...discuss!
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Good to see the positive feedback on the show. I agree, especially that it's all been coming together. This definately ain't QL time travel, this is something fresh!!
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Didn't see Olivia living in the past. Perhaps they'll do something with the Philadelphia Experiment or something. Probably one of the best so far, had a lot going on.
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First, I love this show, and its easily the best thinking and acted genre show out there right now (though I dig Chuck, Daisies, and Heroes now that its getting back on track - Bionic Whiner, kind of a letdown)Now, the Mcleen robbery was in '71, this episode finalized in '74 or '75, so the money should have been connected with the original robbery, but we don't know if it was ever processed correctly (perhaps the shop owner just claimed it, would they actually process every bill from a robbery), we don't know if Dan dumped it all or if some was left in the jacket, and we know he's used it in other locations, we know Mcleen took the lion's share for his quest in Cambodia, so just because some showed up in a shop robbery doesn't mean there's a paradox or an inconsistency. The FBI would still be tracking the crime and the unlocated cash. And I'm so enamored of the show, that I'm willing to give them the BOTD.
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Didn't see it coming, her living in the past. By the way, does anyone know how many more episodes they have in the can?
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If Dan's bro took the 20 off the FBI agent's desk or not.
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They established early on that the time that Dan is missing in the past, does not always line up with when he returns. They've made a plot point that sometimes he returns well later than just the amount of time he was gone (gone for a couple of hours, missing for a day or more). They have not established that he might also return sooner (gone for a day, missing for 15 minutes).
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All three shows were great last night, Heroes (finally), Journeyman, and Chuck. Should be interesting to see how the breakup affects the dynamic of the show. Should be a good thing IMO.
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What was up with the second hippy who was obsessed with quartz, and the scientist in the present who talked about researching quartz? Didn't the second hippy get hauled away at the end, dead, with a sheet over his face? Were they same guy and history has changed and the scientist is dead in the present? Or related somehow?
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I think they just planted a seed about quartz with Dr. Langley talking to Dan, and then having the hippy plant another seed linking quartz and time. Quartz watches came on the scene in the '70's so a drug addled hippy would think it was the next best thing since California sensimilla.
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Journeyman was a surprise to me. I recorded it from the pilot and took a good 2-3 weeks before I sat and watched it. Now I can't wait to see it when it's braodcast. I think it's one of those RARE shows that if a network was savy enough they'd let brew for a season or two, or guerilla market it somehow. Many of my friends haven't taken the time and I'm not sure I would have if I hadn't "forced" myself to watch the pilot to see if I should keep recording it. Definately an onion with a purpose, a thinking person's show, and well placed in an older slot, and well placed after the infantile Chuck (which now seems like a second rate Reaper to me and I liked Adam Baldwin, but on this show he's just irritating)and a Heroes (who has hit so many redundant themes this year it's amazing there's anyone left to watch Journeyman). Also, who over at Sci-fi had the "smarts" to stop the re-runs of NBC's sci-fi shows and yet greenlit Flash Gordon and stall Battlestar?? There's some scheduling genius that deserves unemployment! Journeyman and Heroes in reruns are better than 85% of Sci-Fi's current slate, and a weekend Sci-Fi Journeyman marathon (with a good marketing push on both nets)would probably help everyone all around- just a thought. I hope it survives because it has more potential than most folks will see on the surface.
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Last night Heroes fell back into "hey I'll watch this attentively".
I wonder if the slip in Heroes affected the expected spill-over into Journeyman? With Heroes getting back on track (thanks Kring) maybe Journeyman will start to find some more viewers too.
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...Journeyman since the pilot. It sort of has me due to its timeslot, but KM is outstanding (Rome was amazing, RIP...). They're doing a good job of balancing out the big story arc, with the smaller per-EP bits, and I like how recently they've had some interesting overlap (the quartz hippie, the psycho/bomber who asked him point blank, and also seem to know more than he let on).
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Yup, I didn't see Olivia coming from the past either
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I thought that was very cool, and explains why she disappeared from the current time. Now Dan will have to try and figure out how to stop going back since he doesn't want to get stuck in time like Olivia did in 1989 (that was the date she mentioned, right?).
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Such a fine, fine show. Superb acting, great writing, and the direction's always top-notch too. I'm an ep and a half behind, but I'm loving how they're slowly explaining the time travel stuff (and not LOST slow!).
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I, too, have been following Journeyman since it came on. Whoever said that the acting is above-par is spot on. Kevin McKidd lends credibility to the sci-fi situation he finds himself in. Since I'm getting up earlier and don't have TiVO, I've been watching on NBC.com. I hope NBC lets this show age because I think it has the potential to pick up viewers over some time.
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No offense, but there are thousands of random message boards to bitch abount a tv show with a bunch of shut-ins all over the internet, and 'the zone' is just one of them. Talkbacks are different.. Don't ask me why, maybe it's just arbitrary, but they seem to be a 'step up' from random forums (not that the discussion is any more interesting or intelligent here). Also, "the zone" is a stupid name. If you're being cryptic about something, it better be fucking cool, and some random internet forum ain't cool enough.
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but I like her, and she pulled a nice one over the Feds with the old "distract-them-with-a-bag-while-I-stuff-the-money-into-the-pockets-of -your-jacket-while-I-put-it-on-you-wink wink..."Pretty rough shit there at the end...knowing her husband could be gone for a wee bit longer than his current forays into time.
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is a different colour than Dan's. She travels to the future so hers is gold, he travels to the past and his is blue.Great show. Where else will you see John Schneider as the host of a wife-swapping party. They never did that on Smallville.
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will return. I didn't think much of him being anything more than a plot-point until he turned around and came back. Could he be a time-travelling serial killer?
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Awesome show, with the strongest series premiere since Heroes. Moon Bloodgood owns me, and NBC own my Monday nights with Chuck, Heroes, and Journeyman.
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1) Journey is awesome. Best new show of the season and one of my favorite shows, period.
2) Will people please stop saying "now that Heroes is back on track?" It was never off track. It amazes me that no one realize the reason they are enjoying Heroes now is because of the slow, methodical build up and character development they did in the first 6 episodes? For instance, spending 6 weeks getting to know Kensei gave us time to get to know him and his motivations much more personally than if they rushed through plot points in 3 weeks. Of course, I'm not going to get any converts here since most of you didn't notice the brilliance of it in the first place or after the payoff. But I'm just saying... -
forward and background, is watching them all the time? Because that's the only thing that makes sense right now. Esp. with Olivia being sent into the closet. Kinda reminds me of that Ben Affleck movie directed by John Woo (shudder).
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Journeyman definitely has some of the best writing on TV right now, much better than Heroes has been as of late. Though NBC certainly has most of their eggs in the Bionic Woman basket. Blah.
Now if I can just get my friends out of the "blah blah blah, Quantum Leap ripoff" mindset so they'll watch it. Oh well, my friends are idiots anyways. -
This ain't no real time travelin'! Take me to 88 mph, I'm outta here.
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Also, I don't think "Quantum Leap ripoff" is a bad thing. That was a great show with a great concept. Ain't nothing wrong with exploring it from a different angle.
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from many viewers point of view. There is nothing in last nights episode that made me enjoy it having watched the first 6. But that's for another Talkback.
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Saw the pilot and it was just bad. I'm usually pretty easy to please, too. If they had put the muscle behind Journeyman they could've helped the ratings a bit. It's getting less than 7 million viewers a week now....of course Bionic has dropped down to like 7.5 or something.
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The FBI guy said the money was placed because of who the Treasurer was listed on the Bill. His logic was that the original $20 was a prototype of the new currency, and therefore stolen. It had to have been "replaced" since nobody could have known who the Treasurer was going to be.
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It's ironic that NBC has a better night of Sci Fi now than Sci Fi Channel's nights of original programming. Even though I like Chuck and Heroes better than Journeyman, it's fun enough that I'll keep watchings. It's better than Stargate Atlantis, and certainly better than Painkiller Jane or Flash Gordon.
Spank - I think NBC stopped the reruns of the shows on Scifi because G4 is now showing Heroes, and NBC is repeating Chuck and Bionic Woman themselves on Saturday nights. Rerunning Journeyman on Fridays on SciFi might help the show some, though. -
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But doesn't it seem like a Quantum Leap trapped in San Francisco? I watch it, mostly because nothing else is on. It can get better though. The show is slowly gaining speed.
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This is the only show currently on the air that is "Must See TV" for me. Journeyman is Fantastic, and completely unappreciated. CSI Miami is killing it, so chat it up people, spread the word about Journeyman, we need ratings BAD!!
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the movie "Time After Time" with Malcolm McDowell and David Warner.
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and it only generates what 20 talkbacks? Heroes has 385!
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I first started watching it and thought "meh"...but I hung in there and the second and 3rd episode I was still "meh"...but it's REALLY picked up the pace and started getting interesting. I think they should kind of drop the weekly "story" of going back and helping someone and focus more on why they're jumping and the ongoing story arc. Make this story driven and not character driven. Also, when Dan was yelling at his brother the first thing that popped in my mind when Kevin McKidd was yelling "get out of my house" was "Lucius Vorenus".
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We're bringing Key Parties back!
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One of the things I love about this show are the incidental details. Some examples:Convention Centre in the 80's is hosting business seminars; in 2007 it's hosting an online porn convention.Kid in the past has an Evel Knieval action figure.John Schneider as a wife-swapping party host.Airplane film is "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes".
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I was hooked after the first episode. This is a show with great writing, mystery and heart. Stick with it NBC!
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...don't cancel this show! I started watching with the second episode. Wasn't expecting it to be any good. I was one of those who thought it looked like a crappy QL rip-off. So I kinda had it on in the background while I worked and found myself later thinking it wasn't too bad--better than I'd expected. The next week I decided I'd give it another try--equally surprised with how much I liked it. I'm now a total convert. It's one of the few shows I can't wait to catch every week and I give it my undivided attention. I actually surprised myself today when I found myself telling a friend that I think it's my favorite tv show on right now (House is a close second and Lost isn't on yet). As I was watching last night's ep, I decided that if this gets picked up for a second season I'll definitely buy the DVDs and pass them around to convert friends. I've done that in the past with Alias, Veronica Mars, Firefly, and Friday Night Lights. Fingers crossed.
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is it weird that I had the thought while watching the episode that I really wanted to write someone and thank them for giving me such a good quality show? That's never crossed my mind with other shows--maybe it's the whole underdog thing. Hopefully, someone connected with the show will see this talkback and know that there is some love out there for Journeyman.
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Quantum Leap? Never saw it. I just clicked on this link because Neil Young was in the title.
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likely won't survive the writers strike.
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I'm, glad I changed my name to Jupiter Thunderpenis.
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What Xiphos said.
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As a serious Lost fan, who has loved all the seasons I would say get into this show. It isn't as good, or "deep" as Lost, and the Characters aren't as fleshed out, but it's single episode stories make it a bit more manageable than Lost. What's more is that much like Lost in the first season it is pretty clear that the sub-story, the reason for his travels and what is controlling it, can be blown wide open into a really cool conspiracy or organization a'la Hanso. But to be honest I am comparing it to Lost only because of your request. What I find it is most like isn't Quantum Leap or Lost, but it is like a non "supernatural", American, Dr. Who. I'm really diggin it, so get into it people.
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It rocks and Kevin McKidd is badass.
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recommending this show. It's not a "deep" show, so far. I think more than anything I'm just pleasantly surprised because going in I figured it would be Quantum Leap, with little to no continuation from week to week. Aside from the emerging story arc, with the possibility of Dan being chosen, against his will, to time travel, possibly by his father, the DB Cooper money and his left-for-dead fiance, this show is a lot more than Quantum Leap. Plus, the fact that he gets to return to his family and his regular life, that he has to work around his jumps as if it were a job, or an addiction/disease and the fact that he often gets to see the modern day result of his work, makes the show a lot more immediate than Quantum Leap was.
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+900k, according to Tv Guide. And this was a pretty damn good episode, so they should continue to grow.
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I like LOST (but I like to complain about it's wandering and sometimes aimlessness) but I like this show better. The characters are as fleshed out as 6 episodes can provide. The writing is intelligent, the stories and characters are well written and acted. Lost is more sci-fi/fantasy than Journeyman
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Count-down to every single person who posted in this thread starting to complain about how the show has jumped the shark and they refuse to watch it anymore starting....NOW
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Great acting, very good writing and overall a very good show, about time it got a TB!!!
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Holy Shit! no wonder she looks familiar.
I used to dance with her when I still lived in the O.C.
What a small world.
And I like the show too.
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The guy playing Dan's older brother doesn't look older than him, definitely doesn't feel older, and given what a prick the character is really makes that obnoxious--like what right does this little twirp have barking orders at Titus Verenus? I keep waiting for Dan to behead the jerk. Nevertheless, I like this show a lot, I'm much more into it than Chuck (which ain't bad either, though I prefer Reaper to it), and whatever show the rest of America is watching instead of Journeyman. I hope the show survives, but I'm prepared for nothing I love to benefit from this fucking strike. The only thing that might be saved is Heroes, although even that would have been better served by a kick-ass second half of the season instead of promises for a better third season.
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But Dan does...every time. And then has a family and a job to deal with. I think he and his brother seem to act a lot alike. They even look alike. Reed Diamond has always been good at playing the beleagered cop. I liked him in Homocide. I like this show enough right now to wonder where it is going? So they got me.
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...just saying.
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Sometimes it's nice to watch a show that isn't trying too hard and is just good, daffy fun. I wish they'd get moving with the Langley guy. They've basically had the same scene with him three times already saying almost the same exact crap. And Moon is hot.
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Sarcasm, eh? Since when have you posted ANYTHING about Journeyman in the Zone? I've been in there talking up a storm and never saw you once. It's sad when people just poo-poo on everything just to do it. BTW: Heroes rocked, but Razor was too uneven.
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You have never posted on Journeyman thread. My apologies. Nevertheless don't hate a show. Just debate it. That is the motto of the Zone, one to live by.
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Nov 13, 2007 9:54:15 PM CST
I was totally right about Livia being from a different time!
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Except I thought she was from the future. Still sort of called it weeks ago though! Love this show.
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made me go from: "Wow this is one of my favourite new shows" to "WOW, this is my favourite new show." It's freaken awesome that a show with a premise so solitary, that one would assume is purely procedural has SO MANY interesting continuous serial plot points that are just fantastic. Plus I care about all 4 main characters. Just awesome.
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that sci-fi picks it up. I think the potential fan base who might not already be watching it would keep a float.
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The show has been nominated for a people's choice award. vote for Journeyman and send NBC a message that we want it on the air. We've got to keep the show on the air in the meantime, so e-mail and tell them you want it to stay in their lineup: http://tinyurl.com/2mkh3p(vote for Journeyman under favorite New tv drama
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GAY! http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6523 TAKE OUT THE SPACES AND GO GOOGLE HIM! GAY
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Hey... I'm Canadian and even I know that counterfeit money (as the $20 bill would have been considered back when Dan gave it to the cabbie) is investigated by the U.S. Secret Service. They only have two jobs... protect the President and Vice-President... and protect the money. Where were the Secret Service when the fibbie was waving around the "fake" $20?
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Even when the show isn't on. Seriously, this show is really something else. But I knew it was something special when Livia shows up alive and is revealed to be a traveler in the pilot. That made me want to watch again. Great show! NBC, don't cancel!
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Seeing so many fellow JM fans here warms my heart. As someone who lives outside the U.S, I'm forced to download these episodes every week but god do I yelp in joy when it's ready to watch. This show is definitely my favourite new show this year.
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"My friends love the orientals."
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I've never clicked on it. People go there? Who knew?
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..if we'll get to see both parts? How many episodes are there left before the strike hits us?S**t, this is my fourth post in a row. I really need to think about what I'm going to write before I start typing so I can put it all in one post.
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Watched since Episode 1. Opening credits and music are great, story arc gives a reason to watch every week, writing is top notch, relationship dynamics are interesting amd the actors are all perfectly cast (Especially the brother who makes he want to slap him each week) My only gripe... should have let Lucias have an English accent. Although his american seems to be improving each episode. One of the nest new shows and I'm hoping for a long multi-season run... so many possibilities for this show. What a great season, Journeyman, Heroes, Chuck, Pushing Daises, Bionic Woman and Reaper. What a ime for a writers strike though... how many of these shows will survive it... my heart breaks.
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Another very good show this season that I would never have gotten into if it wasn't for these TBs.
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I'm a virgin. First time on these boards. I have been reading the site for a very looooooong time, and have never posted before. Why now? To spout love for Journeyman. Because I live in the uk these days, I have very limited access to shows airing in the U.S. but thanks to a little gizmo called a sligbox,I can now choose a few (just a few) shows to watch from the states. The shows I watch are Heroes, Lost, snf noe Journeyman. I decided to give this show a chance for the hell of it, and it's a hell of a show. A bit slow starting (like most new shows) it now is the show I look forward to watching the most. Lately it has really seemed to find a stride. The characters are now developed, there is a greater mythology surrounding the show, and it's always fun to try to figure out, what butterfly effect Dan will create, both with his "missions" and his blunders (ie. future currency, future wine, cash from the past) This show has moved me to join the ranks of the talkback. Oh! and it is starting to air here in london...sorta a good sign that the show is somewhat popular, yes?
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better show, same time slot got cancelled. I like journeyman, but it's too mysterious for it's own good. makes it seem sloppy, explain why he's traveling or say goodbye. nbc has no balls, and loves cancelling. i hate them
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I Love it! Thanks for the TB Hercules.The number of posts says it all!!The show has everything to be a great hit. A rip off? No way! What's wrong with putting some good ideas(Life on Mars,Quantum Leap....)together and bringing them to the next Level. And as an overseas TV-junkie I have state:BEST NEW SHOW OF THIS SEASON!! NBC don't cancel this one. You got a great package here with Heroes & Journey Man. If u need to save some money then kill off your Bionic Woman.. Its terrible.........
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Nov 14, 2007 7:15:43 AM CST
That's the new tagline: Kill Bionic Woman, Save JourneyMan
by just pillow talk
So Life is good, huh? I guess I should really check it out.
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... 'twould be Scottish, as his early appearance in Trainspotting as Tommy and in Topsy-Turvy as Durward Lely would have attested.
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That was pretty cool how we never see the guy in the green pick-up. They should have him pop up again in another episode running into Dan out on the PCH. He was never caught definetivly. You could have Dan kill him in a confrontation of some sort. He could never tell anyone in that timeline about it. But he could brag to his wife when got back. And about time this had a talk back how hard is it to start one? Dexter next.
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That's a good one. And do it in that stupid voice over from Heroes - "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World."
P.S. Journeyman also picks great songs for its montages, but is starting to annoy me by blaring period pop songs after every time Dan jumps somewhere. -
...just kidding. I hadn't seen anyone say that yet and it just didn't feel like a talkback to me. Actually, I'm loving all three shows on Monday night. Mondays use to suck for TV and it's always when I need it the most. It's just depressing to realize you have four more days in the work week and these shows make Monday's something worth looking forward to.
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I absolutely love this show! Does it remind anyone else of this excellent novel:
The Time Traveler's Wife (ISBN 0-15-602943-X) by Audrey Niffenegger ?
If you like this kind of thing, you need to read this novel. Check it out.
Hope the show continues. I would love to know if the writers are influenced by this novel in any way or know of it (I suspect they do . . .)
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they're making a movie of that novel, pretty sure. My girlfriend loves that book, which is usually a good sign to steer clear.
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I brought this up in another talkback a week or so back. I think this does have a lot in common with the Time Travellers' Wife. And that's a good thing. An excellent novel that handles the time travelling in an interesting/imaginative and realistic way. Kind of like JM. Like JM the main character travels throughout the span of his life (without any control) and often runs into his future wife at different times in her life. There's a lot more to it and I can't do it justice but I would highly recommend it.
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To see other TB'ers express the same kind of thoughts I've had with this show...
The first couple of weeks were good, but kind of "meh"... Then I got hooked a bit more and then BLAM!(insert corny Batman sound FX here)... This week's episode kicked some serious ass...
So now I'm hooked.. Just like I was with Firefly.. Just like I was with Carnivale... Hmmmmm.... That doesn't bode well, does it?
But hell... With this strike going on, I would imagine that they're not going to cancel any shows with at least decent ratings, so as to prolong the amount of time before they have to start doing reruns and wall to wall "reality" shows...
I just hope Jack gets a clue before season's end... I'd hate to see his "caring brother" routine go on too long.. He needs to know... -
Kevin Falls (the shows' creator) addresses the Time Travelers Wife in his blog (http://blog.nbc.com/journeyman/)
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Nov 14, 2007 11:31:45 AM CST
Everyone is forgetting something about letting Jack know . . .
by skidmarkedundies
DAN ALREADY DID IN THE FIRST EPISODE. Dan went to Jack first, and Jack thought he was nuts. So, when someone rejects you in your time of need, and then said rejecter comes back with his tail between his legs, the rejectee doesn't need to justify or explain anything to them. They had a chance to help and blew it. Too f'n bad.
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Chuck, Journeyman and Heroes on Monday, the awesome yet underappreciated Life on Wednesday, the whole comedy lineup on Thursday and FNL on Friday. And STILL, CSI keeps beating out Journeyman and Life. ARRGGGGGGHHH
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Thanks for the link to the blog related to the show. Steve_Dooku! I found the Time Traveler's Wife thread and found it adequately addresses the fact that there are similarities. The more you think on the plot of Journeyman, the less like the book it is at all. At any rate, it is a great show, so I am saddened by that fact of life that seems to dictate that the best shows end up dumped on and cancelled before their time. Here's to hoping they don't end the season on a cliffhanger . . .
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I ask because I stopped watching about 3 seasons ago and everyone I know stopped watching either early last season, or the season before. Has it improved over the past few seasons. Is there a reason why it is always #1 in its time-slot? If not, then I suspect the reason it is #1 is that the majority of viewers are sheep who watch shows because they are highly rated. "Hey if everyone else is watching it must be good" kind of mentality. People tune in because they don't want to feel left out.
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A year ago this show with these ratings would probably have been cancelled after 5 or 6 episodes, but since NBC doesn't have as many options right now they'll probably stick with it. I read they have the full original order filmed ( I think it was 12 or 13 episodes), so we'll probably get to see all of those, but I doubt we'll ever see anything beyond that.
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Ryan Chappelle again
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a journeyman talkback !! yes its a great show with great characters and a great cast.... as for the $20 bill that jack pulled out at the bar, i dont think it was the same bill...i think looking at the 20 mad jack think about how that 20 from his past found its way there....in other words i think hes starting to believe his brother is telling the truth about his time travelling and feeling kinda guilty about not believing him....i think it will be revealed at some point that livias mission is to make sure dan stays on track...he is her mission and thats why shes always there when he is, helping him out on missions when he needs it...i think the time where she said she was stuck was another mission of sorts....especially since dan told his wife that livia said the trips would eventually get longer and longer.....wondering how far back dan will go into the past......great show once again.....love to see a weekly talkback on this.......and to whoever actually said black donnelys was a better show, please gimme some of what ur smoking , that show was a huge , steaming, messy pile of a show...deserved cancellation......so does chuck, sad to say...life is an awesome show as well
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...it will be cancelled, and would have already if not for the Heroes lead-in audience and the overall weak and watered down state of tv in general. Too many channels, too little quality programming.
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I'm not kidding. It's really turned into that. The Rio episode was done back in the 1970's on Five-O, but with McGarrett going to Hong Kong.Journeyman is really coming into it's own. I too thought Olivia was from the future (2012-2014), but saying she is from the past makes for a very interesting twist.Journeyman is being hurt in the ratings because of Heroes' decline and the fact that males under 50 fragment after 10/9 central. Seriously, most males in Journeyman's target demo are not watching CSI:Miami. NBC, please keep it on after the strike.-----later----m
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This show is the best new drama this season by far. People need to be watching this. The show has been building on this incredible story arc lately and it might be hard to grab someone who has no idea what the fuck is going on. I too think that Livia's mission was really Jack and wouldn't be suprised if it was Jack's wife, but I think Livia most certainly damaged the future timeline. This show is handling all this time traveling with such care, it's just really a lot of fun to watch. The "novelty wine from the future" to the excavation of obsolete phone chargers from storage. It's just brilliant. The acting is great, especially after watching Hiro, Peter and Niki/Jessica (much love for Heroes, though, I have). I hope it doesn't become the formulaic mess it could be. Why does the "Your Comment" box have to be so fucking tiny?
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Going to the future (Livia) = red shifted? Going to the past (Dan) = blue shift?
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when dan goes into the past, why doesnt he buy stuff that will sell for a profit in the future. that way he can stop worrying about his present day money issues, and buy currency in the present for the past. honestly, thats the first thing i woudl do!
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I am hooked.
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and has Christina Hendricks in a recurring role. *geeksplooge*
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Nov 14, 2007 10:32:27 PM CST
Journeyman is the show I look forward to this season
by greatczarsghost
Journeyman has a great story that progresses at a good speed with regular reveals. Kind of like the first season of Heroes did about 25% of the way through when it took off. All of the characters are interesting and well acted. This is a great show.
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I think the thing about buying old currency was addressed. Something like it was crazy expensive. Good point on the collectables thing. I'm starting to wonder when they are going to address the getting rich thing. I imagine Dan can take that money and make some smart investments in the past and have a nice little nest egg when he got back. Would be nice to see if Livia is filthy rich knowing what's to come in the future. Finally, is Livia still alive in the present? An 80 year old woman?
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This show could have easily been just a procedural of the week with no arc. I was really thinking that would be the direction this show takes. It looks like instead it's going the "Lost" route of having the flashbacks (or in JM's case, leaps) self contained but have a season expanding arc.
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My guess is that she is. I'm basing that on the fact that Dan has only travelled within the span of his own life (thus far) and I'm going with the assumption that Livia is as well. Just in the opposite direction. On another point, I really hope they address the fact that Dan only seems to travel in the Bay Area vicinity. I think they can make something interesting out of that other than to say it's for production cost reasons. Question: Can Dan leave San Fran? Remember he was pulled off the plane (as was Livia). At the end of that ep he went on a trip by car didn't he? Am I remembering wrong?
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I'm going to have to agree with you that Liv is still alive...seventy something? Maybe in her eighties? And why hasn't she aged? How does the passage of time work in terms of aging?
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The "power that be" who are sending people through time are clearly intentional about when and where they move people, so they are being watched. I have to wonder if the PTB wouldn't allow them to place bets and pull "get rich from time travel" schemes (but the DB Cooper money sort of blows that out of the water).
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money in the past. It wouldn't be easy since most everything leaves a paper-trail. What if his past self does a credit check and finds all Present-Day Dan's assests?It would be a lot easier for Livia to get rich because she goes back to 1948. In her travels she knows what companies will be good invesments and what land will someday be worth a lot, or even who will win the 1949 World Series.Now that Dan knows Livia is from the past I wonder how long before he tries to find her present self. Or will her present self find him?
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Monday's ep: he said "I Love You." The wife said "I know." Shout out to Star Wars. Any others we may have missed?-----later----m
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She already would have found him methinks. My money is on present-time Livia being dead.
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That she knows not to contact the present Dan because it will screw up the time line so far so she hasn't contacted him. I have a feeling an episode is coming up where Dan starts to try and track down present day (Old) Olivia and see what she has to say.
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I am def a fan of his now. His voice is so big and cool and rememberable. I can hear him doing some animi someday.
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Though it'd be pretty screwed up if Liv is dead, and past Liv is able to visit her own tombstone...
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Hmmmmmm? Now that we know when she lives, it opens up all kinds of possibilities.
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That she got pregnant and that's when she went back to the past. Remember the episode where she and Katie discussed getting pregnant and "accidents?" There's been a whole theme about children, and Livia's been odd about Dan's son. Well, she would be anyway as the ex, but I wonder. It would be sad, too, because how could she raise a child while traveling all the time? Also I think she's alive in the present, but he can't meet her because of that--she has a child.
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quick point. sorry if its been said already. Dan might be traveling faster than the speed of light. If this is the case, he will always come back the present later than he left. As this is what apparently happens when you travel F.T.L. I'm very much digging this show and hope NBC can live with some avg ratings, or at least switch it to Wednesdays at 10 where it competes with other unreality shows.
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i was about to say that livia has to be young cuz she jumps from the past and dan jumps from the present into the past...but then i caught myself..i guess the only way to know if livia is still alive in the present is for dan to run into her , but i doubt he will..maybe shes not even still alive anymore ...i wouldnt be surprised if livia had a daughter that winds up lookin just like her , wouldnt that be a bitch , lol
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My favorite show of the season. Smart, well acted and Lucious Vorenus! Please NBC don't cancel this show!!!
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For some reason the last link nolonger works, try this one:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0948538/board/thread/88146360
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