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I am – Hercules!! A series of newly-shot three-minute “Lost” minisodes starring the series regulars will launch on abc.com starting Monday, according to Entertainment Weekly. Thanks to the writers strike, these may be the last “Lost” fans will get to see for a while. ABC chief Stephen MacPherson has not yet decided when to air the eight episodes completed before the strike. “Lost” producers have said they would prefer ABC hold the finished episodes at least until the strike ends. Read all of EW’s story on the minisodes here.

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  • Nov. 8, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Must resist....

    by spikebad666

    But I can't...FIRST!!!

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Hell yeah

    by ImperialMarchFace

    Lost fans need something to hold us over, especially now that the new episodes may not even air in February. The sooner the better. Lost is the best show on TV.

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    First!

    by radjac33

    I am first, right?

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 5:13 p.m. CST

    In my best Jack Bauer voice.

    by radjac33

    Damn It!

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 5:13 p.m. CST

    id prefer an actual series

    by aestheticity

    this webishit fetish tv is on these days makes no sense... they still cost money yet nobody watches them, relatively speaking

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST

    I thought

    by Shivv

    they had 14 episodes written? If they're not being filmed out of "solidarity," that's just bullshit.

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Why has no one told me about this?

    by Dapper Swindler

    10 hours a day online and what good is it?

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Minisodes?

    by krabat

    Three minutes is just a slightly long commercial.

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST

    ThANK GOD

    by BrightEyes

    Any thing Lost to keep me going

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Be kind, Rewind

    by snowpuff

    I think we should just start filming our own episodes of these shows, as they did with movies in <i>Be Kind, Rewind.</i> I have a really crappy video camera, so come over to my place and we'll film start filming the next season of 24.

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Hold off on the series.

    by veritasses

    We've waited this long a few more weeks aren't going to hurt. Ok, it'll suck but not nearly as much as teasing us with 8 eps and then taking another long-@$$ break. One CONTINUOUS run will result in FAR fewer complaints.

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST

    First Mobisode has been online for 2 days - OLD news sorry

    by flubber2008

    You can see it here http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2007/11/lost-mobisode-1-missing-pieces-watch.html

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Here is the link sorry

    by flubber2008

    http://tinyurl.com/3dyzyl

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    ABC should pull a FOX

    by AlwaysThere

    And hold the show off. As a fan, that would be the right move to make. It's better to not leave us hanging, that to run 8 episodes, have the strike go on for months and be waiting and waiting. Season 3 has ended, the DVD/Blu-ray will be out. Everyone can catchup or rewatch it and anticipation can build for a 16 episode consecutive run through.

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    MOTHERF-ING GREEDY WRITERS!!!

    by googamooga

    If I have to wait even longer for Lost, I'm going postal. Strikes are almost always about greed. Yeah, I'm a member of a union, but in my experience, unions are only good at two things, raising the prices consumers have to pay for goods/services, and protecting worthless a-holes who would have been fired in a second for their attitude/performance, were they in a non-union job.

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Googamooga

    by mraig

    Do you see nothing ironic about calling the writers greedy while at the same time whining "gimme gimme gimme" about the TV you want NOW NOW NOW? Yes, the strike is about money. <P> Writers write for a living, and they want to get paid as much as they can for it. So do I. Don't you? Even if they are already getting paid more than most of us, it's because they are creating a product that generates a lot of income. The producers are getting rich off of the writers' creative output on a whole order of magnitude higher than the writers are, and they're not just going to spread the wealth around out of the goodness of their hearts.<P> If you love Lost so much that it's driving you crazy having to wait for it, then doesn't that mean the writers are doing a job worth getting fair compensation for?

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Kent McCord as Jack

    by Blood T Cat

    and Barry Van Dyke as Sawyer

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Late Breaking Lost News

    by Napoleon Park

    preposted from Jump The Shark] Man oh crap, the casual fair-weather Lost fans who were already b*tching about the planned 2/3rds sized 16 episode season format are gonna love the new unresolved 8-episode story arc that begins in February and ends with a cliffhanger sometime after April Fools Day. This is going to alienate so many viewers that the real cliffinger will be whether the show will hold on to enough ratings to actually reach it's planned 3-more short seasons conclusion.

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    I'm done with lost

    by Pipple

    I can't stand waiting and I don't even think they know what all the magic mystical shit is. It's a big waste of life.

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Juchheee!

    by AllieJamison

    maybe we should boycott these, though. there must be SOMETHING WE CAN DO...

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST

    It's why I'm waiting for the box set.

    by Mixiboi

    Haven't seen a episode of Lost(save the Series premiere) and don't know a thing going on. So when the series is over I can buy the box set and not have to worry about strikes or read that the show doesn't know where it's going.

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    I didn't realize the minis were ready to go

    by CherryValance

    But I'm going to need those new episodes in February. I don't care if there's a break later. It's been long enough as is. Do you guys even realize how much water Jack is probably retaining at this point? If he doesn't have a big ol' cry soon, he'll probably burst.

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Well better than nothing

    by BurgerKing

    While they'll probably feel just like deleted scenes and be without action, it is better than nothing and can give me geek relief as I'm getting new content. Maybe, if this is successful, it will be an example for everyone in the industry because this New Media is one of the main reasons for the strike right? And ABC and the writers did set out better plans for this which is why they are ready to go, so if these are successful, it could be a good starting point for these negotiations. HURRAY FOR LOST POTENTIALLY SAVING TV!

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Hey mraig...

    by googamooga

    I get what you're saying, fair compensation is one thing, but raping the hand that feeds you is another. From what I've been reading, some of their demands are simply unreasonable.

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Googamooga

    by Spasmoyltic

    I agree with you 100 percent. Most unions are not necessary and are looking for a reason to exist. When tradesmen were being forced to work 12 hour days for next to nothing like 200 fucking years ago, unions had a good place.

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    mraig

    by Spasmoyltic

    The difference between the viewer and the writer is that the viewer doesn't get paid for watching television. I run my own business and my employees don't have profit sharing options. They are well paid for the shift they put in everyday. Beyond that, the money goes back into company investment. This same idea should be no different for writers. I'm tired of people talking about how evil and rich producers are. When writers can fund their own fucking shows and have the business acumen required to get their creativity on screen by themselves, THEN they are entitled to more money. If they make a good living and don't have to deal with the responsibilities that come along with actually keeping a company above water, then they should shut the fuck up and stop being puppets for the union.

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST

    googamooga wtf? are you kidding? Unreasonable?!!

    by OrbotCommander

    Googamooga!!!! Their demands are unreasonable?!!! What coke bottle bong got shoved up your ass? The writers wanted a four fricken cent raise on DVD from the 4 fricken cents they were making off of every DVD sold. And for the internet, they would like an anything raise from the BIG FAT FUCKN ZERO DOLLARS the studios want to offer them. In fact, go here and read RON MOORE's interview he gave for IGN about how he and the writers got screwed over on their Battlestar "Minisodes" last year:<br> http://tinyurl.com/2mk8kh </br> <br> And I betcha dollars to donuts the writers on Lost probably didn't get a single dime for their "minisodes". But yet isn't it interesting how the studios keep saying, "the internet is too new we don't know how to make money off it" but here they are promoting Lost on the net probably with commercials attached to it in some form or another. </br> <br> So tell us how this is unreasonable again and who is exactly raping whom? Educate yourself properly (meaning stop reading the AMPTP's website for information) before you decide to type things you seem to know nothing about.</br>

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 9:06 p.m. CST

    small gesture

    by vaterite

    Hey, shouldn't we take a stand and not watch these things, since in all likelyhood no one creative is getting paid for this "promotional" material?

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Not A Word Advert

    by buffywrestling

    http://tinyurl.com/2osxcn <p> HACKS!! Hacks everywhere!! Oh how did you all become so rich? *sob* It was the dental plan, wasn't it?

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST

    WOO HOO...I hope Nikki and TAS guy get a minisode

    by JeffManSixtyFo

    Just joking...but I do wonder since they been on that island for about 3 months...any Oceanic toilet paper woulda ran out fast. The heck with the Dharma Initiative,what are they using to wipe themselves clean?? Maybe the could use all the notebooks piled up from the Pearl Station

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 10:08 p.m. CST

    CHARLIE HAS SOME HEROIN AND CHEETS ON GOTH CLAIRE

    by Pound Sand

    That's easily a 180 second Webisode right there.

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 10:16 p.m. CST

    bacci40

    by Spasmoyltic

    Actually, My business is product and service oriented. Yes, what we offer is sold several times before it reaches its final owner. Maybe I should refuse to do work for my customers until I get a percentage on each transaction?

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 10:48 p.m. CST

    bacci40

    by buffywrestling

    The old contract is undeniably out of date. Retorts are amusingly useless..

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST

    CW should make Webisodes of Veronica Mars FBI...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I watched the pilot presentation for the fourth season and think that Rob Thomas should look into continuing the storyline online and maybe The CW would go for it. Sure, the Webisodes wouldn't be promoting an actual show, but The CW might be able to use them to drive traffic to its website, and to plug in advertising and promos for its regular series. Rob Thomas, if you're reading this, I hope you consider it (you are, after all, working to revive Cupid on ABC). You can finish writing the season 4 pilot presentation, and then break it up into 3 minute installments. It doesn't seem like Kristen Bell would need to do much work for it, since it would be the equivalent of just one regular episode.

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 11:58 p.m. CST

    ABC Should really stick it to the writers

    by Turd Furgeson

    and put these episodes online NOW, for a fee, before there's a new contract so the writers don't get a piece of that revenue!!!!! Muuuuooooaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!! This thing may ruin LOST, it is sad.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, midnight CST

    Raise your hands....

    by buffywrestling

    If you know what "irony" is. <p> Forsooth! A Quote: "Meanwhile, speaking out in opposition of the strike Wednesday, former Disney chief Michael Eisner called the protests "insanity" and "too stupid" while warning writers they were giving up real income in the hopes of securing digital revenue that studios do not yet have. <p> "For a writer to give up today's money for a nonexistent piece of the future, they are misguided, they should not have gone on the strike," Eisner said at the Dow Jones/Nielsen Media and Money conference in New York. "I've seen stupid strikes, I've seen less stupid strikes, and this strike is just a stupid strike." <p> And how meta is it that I'm posting this quote re: "non-existant piece of the future" in a webisode TB? Eisner should have gotten someone to write a statement for him.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 3:05 a.m. CST

    here are my 2 cents

    by emeraldboy

    This strike is a smokes screen. there is a global recession coming. World wide, companies will have to majorly tighten thier belts the world over and tv and film companies are no exception. Film and tv companies will have to lay people off. The businessmen and women who run hollywood, know there is a global recession on the way. This New media arguement is cover to say to the writers, look we cant pay you. The writers want a massive chunk of change from new media. But the Studios know that a financially cold wind is coming and fast and studios simply cant afford to pay out. Meanwhile in Modern Ireland, Bertie Ahern is giving himself 38% pay increase. making him the highest paid leader in the world. even our finance minister says the days of the give away budgets are over. The belt tightening days are back. But that 38% pay hike for Bertie is very badly timed. Then there is the cancer scandal.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Give to zim!

    by red_weed

    I need some new lost content. I've gone through my dvd set 3 times and i crave more

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 7:09 a.m. CST

    So if...

    by rbrog77

    So if there's no money being made from web content, why are the studio's opposed to giving up a higher percentage of zero? Seems to me 1% of zero is the same as 100% of zero.<P> So I think we've found the first lie in that the executives say there's not money in the web and/or they don't know what's to come of it. <P> Look, everyone is greedy. So what's a fair share of greed? Seems to me the real arguement is more in line with patents. If you invent something, you retain the rights for a period of years no matter how it's sold.<P> Writers invent scripts.<P> 'nuff said.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Maybe not nuff said after all...

    by rbrog77

    If you invent something while employed by a company, the company retains the rights...I think. So maybe it's a 2-headed coin after all.<P> Seems the arguements I have with myself are the most level-headed ones.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 7:42 a.m. CST

    I'd prefer they hold off on airing the show too

    by sapno_krei

    Come on. It's not like we'll be twiddling our thumbs, drooling over a pot while we wait. People wait years between movie sequels. Yeah, it won't be fun waiting, but the excitement when the show does come back will be huge.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Hell...

    by Kid Z

    ...I hate these low rez webisode things. They're just little blurbette ads. And DAMMIT this TV seasons been stinking up the world like a 3-day old, maggot infested turd squeezed out by a crack whore dying of MRSA on a rendering plant loading dock next door to an open-air sewage treatment facility. And now we don't even have Lost to look forward to clear the stench a little. Give the writers a cut of the residuals on DVDs and the net stuff! Fuckin' suits!

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST

    All Figured out.

    by Chevron_Engaged

    I think I have it all figured out, except hwy that damn bird said Hurley's name. What the hell?

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    hopefully a bus would hit those exec's

    by Maximus Prime

    now where is Richard Alpert when u need a well timed bus????

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 9:55 a.m. CST

    They're going to break the internets

    by CherryValance

    with this strike. It's bad enough now with people like Prince suing his fans, but if they're going to want revenue from the internet then the studios are going to come down even harder on fansites. Then you're not going to be able to type "lost" or "24" without getting sued for copyright infringement. 'I lost my umbrella', and you get sued. 'I baked 24 cupcakes for the school's bake sale.' SUED. *sigh* I just want to watch the damn show, but if I get used to it not being on, I might get a life and throw my TV out the window.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    rbrog77

    by buffywrestling

    Intellectual property has a chance of making infinite amounts of money; there is no fixed amount even if it's popular or not. That is why the form of payment is residuals. Scripts get put into syndication, on DVDs and the internet. They get a percentage of the two former but no percentage of the latter. The studios get all of the money from internet bought advertising which is in fact more lucrative because you can't skip past them. Guilds want a percentage of the new delivery system (internet). Writers, who had the unfortuante luck of being "first!" - I seriously wonder if there would be so much bitching on here if the Screen Actors Guild were first. I have a feeling the majority would be praising, "You're the man, Sly! Go Rocko!!" - where was I? Writers even took their bargining chip of a raised percentage (2%) on DVD residuals off the table to get it. The next step in the negotiation was to the studios but they refused to budge from their generous offer of *nothing*. They *refused* to negoiate further on the matter. /Door slam, execs scrabble back on top of their pile of money and hiss threateningly.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Herc...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    Incorrent. These are not EPISODES. They are PROMOTIONS. For an episode the actor, writer, and director gets paid a residual. For a promotion the actors, writer, and director get no residual. It's an interesting difference.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    isn't this why they strike?

    by Naf

    i bet they aren't getting paid a penny for these minisodes.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST

    buffy

    by rbrog77

    So basically scripts are more similar (not exactly though) to a patent you own personally than a patented item you created for a company that they own.<P> So from what I see you saying, it seems the reason the execs wouldn't budge for the writers is they knew the actors et al would be next. Correct?<P> So we're back to original lie. "There's no money in it." If there's zero money in it, why are the execs making such a big deal out of a percentage of nothing?<P> BTW, love your thought process. If you are a fan of the show, we'd love to have you had the link provided below. Please come hang with us.<P> http://www.aintitcool.com/ node/32774

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Look, here's my thing...

    by googamooga

    Writers get paid fairly well. From what I've read, regular writers on a number of hit shows get somewhere in the neighborhood of $30,000 PER EPISODE, not even counting residuals. Even guest writers get around $7000-$8000 per script. Why should they even get residuals? Why not just ask for more pay up front? Shoot, I know a few people who make just over $20,000 a year, and these people make more than that for one episode. Like I said before, it all comes down to greed. If I manufactur something, anything, and then sell it, my interest in it is gone. Should I track down the current owner of my former car and demand compensation beyond the purchase price from him for all the upgrades I installed that he's currently enjoying? No, because I was paid. Or what about the photographs I sold at our county fair when I was in college? I created them, I sold them, should I track down everyone who's viewed them since and demand a 5 cent viewing fee? If they want more money, they should stop bitching about residuals and just ask for an increase in their initial fee.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    2 different things, I think

    by rbrog77

    But the writers created something that's being sold/used in a different way than what was originally agreed. I agree with Buffy...it's intelectual property. The execs had basically nothing to do with the intellect behind the writing. <P> I agree that if you have a company that sells a product with employees making a fair amount that they shouldn't get residuals off what you sell/make. But, if we are looking at this from a company perspective, I think we have to see who owns the property. Is LOST, for example, copywrited by the execs? No. The execs bought the TV and DVD rights and are now using the shows on another medium. Then they say there's no money to be had, but if you think about it, everything we watch on the internet these days has advertisements in them. If I'm watching TDVR I can skip those commercials. I can't do that on here. So it would seem eventually there's more money here in the future than revenue from TV or DVD.<P> If that point is true, the writers would seem to be protecting their future revenues by striking.<P> That's a valid reason to strike...IMHO.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 3:49 p.m. CST

    So the money comes from the ads right?

    by CherryValance

    So let's just all vow to never click on the ads. :D No clicking = no money on internets = no problem.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    not all internet ads require clicks

    by INWOsuxRED

    most of the shows you watch via network sites force you to watch one or more complete comercials. The network gets the ad revenue no matter what you click on.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST

    I'm willing to wait

    by DKT

    a few extra months until the strike is over to watch all 18 episodes back-to-back. I did the hiatus thing last year. I'd prefer to not do it again.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST

    rbrog77

    by Spasmoyltic

    You make some good points. I guess my problem with the whole thing is that if I were a writer and had the opportunity to do a little extra work to help promote a show that gives me 30,000 an episode, I would happily put in the extra work to ensure I have a job. If someone handed me a 30,000 check for an episode and said, "hey, good work we will take care of all marketing, pr, and financing, but we may need a 3 minute webisode or two to keep our audience interested during the off season." I wouldn't hesitate to accept it.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Please ABC, listen to Damon and Carlton!

    by MrFloppy

    I don't want just eight episodes. This wait is killing me, but I prefer to wait even longer, just to see the seasons as Damon & Carlton want us to see them. If you forced them to do three 16ep seasons, and now they already planned that 48 episodes that way, don't f*ck them, and let them to air the seasons uninterrupted.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 7:33 p.m. CST

    This was all an elaborate orchestration of Abrams, Cuse and Lind

    by Sick Fixx

    To further avoid providing closure or plot resolutions for ANYTHING. Fisher "Woodstock" Stevens is going to advance the plot? Are you kidding me?

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST

    googamooga

    by necgray

    This has been explained by others closer to the matter than I, but essentially the reason that they don't ask for more money upfront is because the studios won't GIVE them more money upfront. And they won't GIVE them more money upfront because of risk. There's no definitive way to tell if a TV show or film is going to make money, so in return for fronting the money to produce the show or film, the writers (and actors and director, et al) ask for a one time fee plus residuals. Obviously big name stars/writers/directors/etc. get a bigger upfront fee based on the assumption that their product is going to sell like proverbial hotcakes. But the residuals are the price that these artists pay to have their art produced. They accept a smaller share of profits because they aren't taking the upfront risk that the studios are. Some people have suggested, rather vulgarly (really, does the word "fuck" have to appear THAT many times in your post?), that the writers should fund their own projects. Not a bad idea, except that most writers make for bad accountants. The JOB of a writer is to write. The JOB of a producer is to produce. Producers worry about funding so that writers, actors, and directors don't have to.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST

    also, googa, your photo example doesn't work

    by necgray

    because you made ONE photo and you sold that ONE photo to ONE person. Think about this and be honest with yourself. If you made a photo that you really cared about and sold that photo to a guy who then blew up the photo, made 8,000,000 copies, and sold those copies for $5 each, wouldn't you feel entitled to some of that money? At the very least, you would NEVER sell another photo to a guy in an OfficeMax uniform.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Here's what's left in the bullpen for the networks

    by Pennsy

    as a whole, courtesy of the GoldDerby Primetime Emmys forum as of earlier tonight. Number of episodes remaining, and season-ending date as shown:<p> <p> ABC<p> Desperate Housewives - 4, last episode airing 12/9<p> Grey’s Anatomy - 3, last episode airing 12/6.<p> Brothers & Sisters, Ugly Betty, Big Shots - 6<p> Boston Legal - 8<p> Pushing Daisies - 4, last episode airing 12/12<p> Cavemen- 7<p> Men in Trees - 14<p> Dirty Sexy Money - 5<p> Samantha Who, Lost- 8<p> Private Practice - 4, last episode airing 12/5<p> <p> CBS<p> CSI, Criminal Minds - 5, latter's final episode airing 12/12<p> Cane, NCIS, CSI: Miami - 6<p> Jericho, CSI: NY - 7<p> The Unit - 4, last episode airing 12/5<p> Shark, Numb3rs - 5<p> Moonlight - 4, last episode airing 12/7<p> How I Met Your Mother- 4 episodes left, last episode airing 12/10<p> <p> NBC<p> The Office - 2, last episode airing next Thursday<p> My Name Is Earl- 4, last episode airing 12/6<p> Law and Order: SVU- 8<p> 30 Rock- 5, last episode airing 12/13<p> Medium, Friday Night Lights - 9<p> Scrubs- 7<p> Journeyman - 5, last episode airing 12/10<p> Chuck - 6<p> Heroes - 4, last episode airing December 3rd.<p> Bionic Woman- 3, last episode airing 12/5<p> <p> The CW<p> Everybody Hates Chris - 16<p> Gossip Girl- 6<p> Smallville - 9<p> Supernatural- 10<p>. Reaper- 4, last episode airing 11/27<p> <p> Fox<p> House, Til Death, Prison Break, Bones - 6<p> Back to You - 3<p> K-Ville - 5, last episode airing 12/10<p> Family Guy - 14<p> King of the Hill - 17<p> The Simpsons- 17<p> American Dad - 19<p> <p> Some are better off than others, but Newton Minow is going to be proven right yet again by the middle of next month. Vast wasteland, anyone?

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST

    nice post Pennsy

    by INWOsuxRED

    unfortunatly it only confirms that my favorite shows will end quickly (or won't start on time in the case of Lost), while shows I wish would just go away will be the only new TV on, with the exception of a massive glut of rushed reality and game shows.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Necgray

    by Spasmoyltic

    If you sell that one photo, it is no longer yours. That is the price you pay for selling your property. Your selling it to a source that has the knowledge and resources to sell thousands of that photo and make money. It's called business. When Clive Barker sold his rights to Hellraiser, he no longer has the legal right to make money from the franchise, but he made a large amount of cash in the initial sell and was well aware of the consequences. What is wrong with this? Thats how both writers and producers make money. Fair game. When I see writers working 12 hour shifts 365 days a year and can barely support a family, then they should be going on strike.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Spasmoytic

    by buffywrestling

    Selling your rights to intellectual property up front - if it ever happens to you - is *your* decision. But the writers already have a contract in place, and a very specific one at that, based on a residual payment form. Are you suggesting that they go backwards? It is a business, I agree; so please explain to me how it is good business for them to go *backwards*? Good business for the studios, I think you meant to say, not the writers.

  • Nov. 10, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Buffy

    by Spasmoyltic

    From what I have read, writers are not being cheated from their residual payments. Studios claim there is no money in them. I would be easily convinced that the advertising that these little three minute webisodes give is enough to cover the technology required to air them and help with the show's promotions. You ask how it is good business that these are made for free. Honestly, I think the long term benefits they offer (keeping the show interesting) lets everyone benefit in the long term. Regardless, I am officially interested in seeing the outcome of this strike and I think writers will be kicking themselves in their own asses in a few weeks once the public gets irritated enough.

  • Nov. 10, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    What I just don't understand...

    by seanny_d

    is what so many people have said before. How could you possibly say there is no money in something and then not attempt to give you a percentage of that nothing. If the studios GENUINELY believed that there was no profit to be had in the internet, they'd go "Sure, you guys can have 50%. Idiots." But obviously there is something there. That's just what I don't get.

  • Nov. 10, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    it isn't about promotion of the actual show

    by INWOsuxRED

    the webisodes exist to generate immediate ad revenue on what is an emerging technology (to network types). The primary promtion isn't for the TV show, it is for the network's website. People aren't surfing the web to find webisodes of shows they don't watch, they go to those sites to see more of shows they already enjoy and that brings traffic to the network's website. From there, those same webisodes are used as extras to sell DVDs, which the writers don't get residuals on. Some of these products are also generating income from crazy cell phone networks. </br></br>Downloads from itunes are also a fast and clear way of profiting from the show, and they are saying that makes no money, and reruns are where the money is not only at, but will remain at, which is a transparent lie. Most of the arguments against the writers seem to be against the pre-existing idea of residuals at all.</br></br>It seems alot more like working for commission, then your company carries a new and more expensive product and you successfully sell the crap out of it and then you're told you only get commission on products that were in the store when you started working there.

  • Nov. 10, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Next year on LOST...

    by Deak the Geek

    enjoy all 8 thrilling episodes of LOST season 4!!...oh well...it's better than nothing i guess

  • Nov. 10, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    season 5

    by Deak the Geek

    does that mean that season 5 will have 24 episodes?

  • Nov. 10, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    re: spasmoyltic

    by necgray

    I think your response to me was adequately responded to by others, particularly buffywrestling. Still, I'll expand on it. The whole strike is ABOUT the contract. If a writer sells all rights, then of course I'm against them receiving residuals. Because that's against their contract. But let's take your Barker example. He may have sold the film rights, but I'll bet he retains the rights to the original novella Hellbound Heart. So if a company publishes that novella, he'll get money from it. As for your comment regarding working 12 hour days 365 days a year? For one thing, NOBODY works 365 days a year. For another, most working writers DO work 12 hours a day, if not more. A LOT of work goes into writing a TV show or a film script. That doesn't include writer meetings, rewrites, various business-related work (like if you have to pitch to a producer or meet with a director, etc.) I'm not saying it's the most difficult job ever, because it's not. But I've had quite enough of that kind of bullshit argument from people who don't know what the life is really like.

  • Nov. 10, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    by necgray

  • Nov. 11, 2007, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Spasmoltic

    by buffywrestling

    You are correct in saying that the writers are not being cheated out of their residuals - espescially for the internet because there are none. Ad revenue *is* being generated on the internet for the studios, no matter what they claim. They in fact say that they need time to *study* how much revenue will be created. The last time they told the writers that they needed to study revenue, it was in 1988 for VHS during the last writer's strike. At that time, the writer's guild believed them and they passed on the VHS residual option and instead took a larger up front payment but the popularity of VHS lost them money and clout. They will not do the same thing this time. Again, it is a business and good business does not go backwards. <p> By the by, I think you are confusing the tiny "webisodes" with the full running time of previously aired episodes on the internet. They do show the full length episodes on the studios websites (with bought ads, of course) but where as they would recieve money if it was syndicted on TV, here they receive nothing. For webisodes (again, with bought ads), they write, act and produce *extra* work for which they recieve *extra* nothing. But as long as the studios can "easily" convince you that this is fair, I don't see how we can see eye to eye on this debate. I guess I'll be joining necgray on strike against you now... <p> Dental Plan!!!

  • Nov. 11, 2007, 5:10 a.m. CST

    LOVE THE FIRST MOBISODE!

    by DarthMrBelvedere

    Very well acted I must say. Can't wait

  • Nov. 11, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    seanny_d

    by I Hope You Die

    The writers want a cut of the revenue not profit. You can't give someone a cut of profits because profit is what you have left after you've paid everyone. If the web content is not profitable (and I'm sure it's not, even with ads, it isn't free to deliver stuff online) and they give writers a cut of the revenue, then they'll be losing money. Love 'em or hate 'em, the studio exacts are right about web content: it's not profitable and only exists because they're tentatively trying to explore a new medium. That's why it's considered "promotional" (even free episodes). (Just like it's promotional if they give a DVD of a few epsidoes away free like they have done for 24 before; even if it has a few ads to cover costs.) Giving writers a cut would make it even less profitable.

  • Nov. 11, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST

    this thread

    by lucid dreamstate

    is very informative as far as profits and residuals are concerned. i am a fan of the show lost and i can't wait for these webisodes or whatever they are called. i think it is cool that abc is at least giving us a taste of some fresh material. there may be some valid clues in these minisodes.

  • Nov. 11, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Creator of "Lost" Speaks Out

    by buffywrestling

    http://tinyurl.com/3c4x33

  • Nov. 12, 2007, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Why Writers Get Residuals

    by buffywrestling

    http://tinyurl.com/2e2bfd <p> Someone below in the comments section makes an interesting point - INWO was headed in that direction as well - about the "promotional" label the studios slapped on the internet downloads. If it's promotional why not advertise for free on youtube? Because they want you to go to their network site. And watch bought ads that you can't skip past. But the studio continue to play dumb to the writers, while preaching to the shareholders on Wall Street just how financially viable the internet will be. H

  • Nov. 12, 2007, 12:35 a.m. CST

    First after it "aired"

    by strangernparadis

  • Nov. 12, 2007, 12:36 a.m. CST

    THAT was pointless

    by strangernparadis

    the Chris Walkin watch speech was better

  • Nov. 12, 2007, 12:36 a.m. CST

    buffywrestling

    by INWOsuxRED

    they don't just not "advertise" on youtube, they make youtube take down their stuff. Not just full episodes, but small clips of content...you know, like promotions.

  • Nov. 12, 2007, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Sort of goes against

    by buffywrestling

    IHYD "it isn't free to deliver stuff online" Studio PR rhetoric, doesn't it? I

  • Nov. 12, 2007, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Shooting on Video...

    by cuckoo's indian

    Okay, I understand you want to be cheap and not shoot on film (even though most second year film students can find a way to shoot on film). But if you're going to shoot video, at LEAST do it professionally. You've got real actors doing good work, and this thing is shot and edited so amateurly it wouldn't even get high marks IN a second year film class. That said, I can't friggin wait for Season 4!!!!

  • Nov. 12, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Buffy

    by rbrog77

    You are becoming my favorite poster...period. Great article that makes a lot of sense. I don't know why (as a former songwriter) I didn't make that connection.

  • Nov. 12, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    This is about what tv will look like now what it does look like

    by jccalhoun

    This is about the future of television. Talk to everyone on classic tv shows like Andy Griffith Show, Leave it to Beaver, and other black and white shows that are still on tv somewhere. Do you know what the people on that show get for those shows? For the most part they get nothing. Why? Because when the shows were made no one thought that reruns would exist. No one thought that a whole cable channel would be built around airing old shows. <br><br>Now shows are starting to be online and sold as bits over the internet. This strike is about the future. Right now they don't get anything from those shows. Now what happens if internet distribution takes off? They would be screwed just like all the creative people on Andy Griffith. The contracts were written before these things existed and now that they do they want to make sure that they don't get screwed. That is why they are striking.

  • Nov. 12, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST

    I still want to know

    by jivatmax

    why did they all move from the caves back to the beach>?

  • Nov. 13, 2007, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Kind words

    by buffywrestling

    Thank you for the kind words, rborg77. They are too flattering for someone who cuts & paste. If you wanted to see me really shine, you should have seen me in Vern's "Zoo" TB. I brought "Equinas" the horse relatioship guy (horse-you-know-whatever) to his kness. Which smelt like hay. <p> PS: Lost 2008 TB crashes my computer; but thanks for the invite!!

  • Nov. 13, 2007, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Crashes some others too

    by rbrog77

    We've been getting the white screen of doomlately, but I understand it's not just the LOST S3 finale page. Maybe we'll see you in the S4 talkbacks...if not sooner.

  • Nov. 13, 2007, 10:03 a.m. CST

    The White Screen of Doom...

    by buffywrestling

    ...is everywhere, man. I personally think it is a "Mist" promotion.

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