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BEEP!! Learn Who Plays Christopher Pike in STAR TREK!!
I am – Hercules!!
Greenwood
It’s 51-year-old Canadian and "John From Cincinnati" star Bruce Greenwood!!
Christopher Pike, you'll recall, captained the Enterprise before James Tiberius Kirk. He would go on to vegetate happily on Talos IV.
Christopher Pine, you'll recall, confusingly plays Kirk in the new movie, which hits cinemas at the end of next year.
Virile Pike
Broken Pike
Greenwood is the third actor to play Pike, following Jeffrey Hunter, who played virile Pike in the first "Star Trek" pilot, and Sean Kenney, who played broken Pike in the episode "The Menagerie."
Now who will they get for Janice Rand?
Read all of The Hollywood Reporter’s story on the matter here!
Greenwood
Virile Pike
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there's a joke there somewhere, dagnamit.
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don't care
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Pine is 27? Greenwood 51? Recalling Pike in the original ST episode, he couldn't have been that much older than Kirk. Of course, hard to tell with all the make-up on.
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But, man, I want to know what they've got in store for us!
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Good Choice.
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Beep beeeeeeep. (And that's not "yes yes".)
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Was it- one beep yes, two beeps no or two beeps yes, one beep no?!?
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Nov 08, 2007 2:59:29 AM CST
Can't believe somebody did a "Back in the game" reference...
by pzadvance
...before I could!! Oh, how I love these Talkbackers.
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Love this actor
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Jeffrey Hunter was in his early to mid 30s when he played Pike back in '64. This really IS revisionist Star Trek!
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because Kirk was the youngest captain to command a starship and according to the Official Chronology, Pike captained 2 five year missions with the Enterprise before Kirk took command so there's a decade right there.
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Good actor! I really hope this is an excellent film.
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and frames Kirk for his "murder."
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They’ve missed a brilliant opportunity to have continuity to the actors playing Captain Pike. Jeffrey Hunter was Jesus in King of Kings before being Pike and Jim Caviezel was Jesus in that snuff film so it would have worked…
And for Charlie & Tex, Jeffrey Hunter was 40 when he played Pike.
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Did they change casting directors or something? They were on a roll until now. RECAST!!!!!!!
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...but I miss Shatner. I hope Leonard Nimoy's bookend scenes find him rectifying the mistakes of GENERATIONS and bringing Bill back with Vulcan magic. Or something.
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... maybe because Shatner didn't get "dissed" by anyone. There's simply not a role for him in this film because THAT ISN'T THE STORY THEY ARE TELLING.
If not shoehorning in a cameo just to appease an actor is the same as "dissing" them, then oh well, man. But stop acting like JJ Abrams went to Shatner's house and punched him in the beanbag. -
All posts should have been in the form of one beep for yes or two beeps for no. Get off my lawn.
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If Spock's old c.o. is in it, why not Kirk's best bud (before Kirk smoked his ass).
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Nov 08, 2007 4:48:11 AM CST
Moriarty: Shatner made an outburst in not being involved
by theycallmemrglass
This is from the BBC News website:
Shatner:
"I can't believe it, I'm not in the movie at all. Leonard, God bless his heart, is in, but not me," Shatner told the Associated Press news agency.
"I thought, 'what a decision to make', since it obviously is a decision not to make use of the popularity I have to ensure the movie has good box office. It didn't seem to be a wise business decision."
Full article: http://tinyurl.com/2kfft8
I sort of agree, and he is talking from a business perspective. if they can bring in Spock, then why not Kirk? There may be a story explanation but since when do stories become so rigid? Stories are always flexible and modifiable without losing main plotline. I for one would love to see the shak on screen in a Trek movie in a cameo. It was Shatner the brightened up Star trek Generetions with the small part he had in it. -
And why not?????
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equal me not seeing this film
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I just don't like where they are going in regards to story, cast, et al. You know, I am now starting to think that Trek really should just take a break. I didn't believe that until I started seeing what they were really doing with this movie. IMO the script that Berman had would have actually made a better, and more sensible, Star Trek. This one really just seems like a bad idea.
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Live long and litigate.
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You know all these fanboys who go on how this is gonna suck, bluster, bluster, disaproval, blah, will go to see the movie anyway as curiosity will get to them and then they can critique with more disaproval and blustering. Hee.
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A trip.... But good. Can't wait to see Nimoy in this too.
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... of the EARLY UPN series "Nowhere Man", starring Bruce Greenwood as a man whose entire identity is erased because he took a photograph and has hidden negatives of it throughout the country, and even he doesn't know why they want it?
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i recently got the series on dvd and i hadnt seen it since they first aired and its still a cool show. And its one of the few shows that only lasted 1 season that was able to fit in some sorta closure in the end so least there arent big ass loose ends. Although some sorta tv movie would be cool to truly finish it but im satisfied with the fucked up ending we got.
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Though I understand it, since I hear la Boof will now be the new principal character in "Prison Break".
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The post asked:
Now who will they get for Janice Rand?Read all of The Hollywood Reporter’s storyAnd the linked article didn't answer the question.What kind of writing is that?And the answer is, Yeoman Janice Rand is the role Kristin Vangsness, who plays Penelope Garcia on "Criminal Minds," was born to play.
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They go for an older guy (which they shouldn't) and STILL don't cast long time fave Ray Liotta? Shit. I hope the movie is better than the casting choices--although Bruce Greenwood is a good actor at least.
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...I demand to know who will play Commodore Decker!
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Greenwood is a great actor and as far as his age goes, I predict no one will give a shit once they see him on screen. He doesn't look like 51 anyway. I think this may be Abrams' best casting choice so far. As for Liotta, I like him but he brings too much baggage with him, I'd be waiting for him to freak and stick a knife in Spock's face or something to that effect.
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Dude, never ever try go to Canada. You’ll be shot at the border. Shatner is a Canadian institution.
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Writing in a cameo for no other reason than appeasing fans film will only hurt the film - not improve it. William Shatner WAS James T. Kirk many years ago, but not anymore - I don't even think he could try and act the part without it seeming like a parody of himself.
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He does skew young, and I've liked him ever since Exotica (along with Mia Kirshner - yowza!!!)
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While I'm another guy that would've rather seen Ray Liotta (since they're going the "older" route), Bruce Greenwood has gots some chops and he'll do fine. Plus he got to bone Ashley Judd in Double Jeopardy, and that earns many extra points with me.
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but "I'd be waiting for him to freak and stick a knife in Spock's face or something to that effect" made me laugh. I can just imagine Ray doing that too...while cooking pasta.
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. . . apparantly he'll be bitching about not being in the new movie.
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Crispin Glover. Just because. How fun would that be?
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"Sob, why can't I be in the movie?!?" Quit your whining Shatner. You've got a TV show, you've got all those commercials. If anybody's complaining it should Walter Koenig or Nichelle Nichols, one of those people whose current career consists entirely of fan conventions.
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WELSHIEEEEEEE!!!
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and I'm sure he'll do a great job as Pike. Also someone said he would make a great Reed Richards. That was a revelatory moment right there. FF Begins.
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Think about it -
Kirk died in "Generations", yes?
Only way to bring him back now is --- as a younger Kirk.
And I don't think the CGI technology for that exists yet.
Even if they tried to shoehorn him into this movie, the fanboys would point at "Generations" and squeal like stuck pigs at the utter ignorance of the "Star Trek Canon".
Don't get me wrong - I for one would LOVE to see The Shat in this movie. But we - and he - have gotta accept the fact that he closed that road himself in 1994. -
.. in an unnamed role. I got real money (i.e. Pounds Sterling) here that says shes Janice Rand.
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Hows the JackSack site going? I gotta run - later.
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...and Nowhere Man was very cool, the haters can suck my ass. And as for Greenwood being too old? A 50 year old who looks like a 40 year old is too old to play a Starship Captain now? Funny, Patrick Stewart was 47 when he started on Next Gen, Avery Brooks was 45 when he started DS9, Kate Mulgrew was 40 when she started Voyager (replacing Genevieve Bujold who was 53!), and Scott Bacula was 47 when he jumped into Enterprise. And of course Shatner himself was already 35 when he started on Trek, and 63 when he finished by dying on screen. But the best one? Jeffrey Hunter was 40 when he played Captain Pike on the original Trek, so honestly I'm not really seeing the problem here...
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NUFF SAID
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So great to tune into AICN and see "John From Cincinnati" references... sigh
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... and Kirk is like, 16??? Well it looks that way if you go by the casting of this thing.
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Though I kinda hoped Pike would be played by a big star (seemed like the kind of role for a star - legendary first captain, handing over the baton to Kirk), I quite like Bruce Greenwood and he's a solid and stoic enough actor for the part. I think this lends a little more credence to the idea that the role of Pike is a bit more than a simple cameo.
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the tribble?
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Who else????
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xmas teaser is supposed to show Enterprise being built. But in the mythos Pike has ship first and Kirk gets a used Enterprise. hmmmm. In the comic, Pike talks to Kirk in space dock and the two are almost crushed by a falling container. Number 1 saves them but gets her legs crushed for her trouble. This is why Spock has to double as Science Officer and XO at first.
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Spock's full of tricks!
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so Finnegan sets up Kirk. One of his old pranks at the academy.
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WAAAAAY to old for THIS movie, though he looks far younger.
I suppose Pike was supposed to be a contemporary of George Kirk and Robert April, but still.
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If you are right about your timing, then spock would be 15 years older and thus not in Star Fleet anyhow.
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So 15 years isn't much for them. No reason he wouldn't be in starfleet with both Pike and Kirk.
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Scarlett Johansen? Amy Smart? Elisha Cuthbert? Plenty of blonde bombshells out there and I'd pay $8 to see any of them in a futuristic miniskirt. No Jessica Simpson though, that bitch is only good for two things, doing laundry and sucking dick.
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...only surpassed by his very robust gut! I'm exceedingly happy that Shatner is not in this film. He was great in Star Trek 2 and 3. His ego somehow grew tremendously thereafter. I now cringe when I watch the guy!
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for Steven Hawkings voice synthesizer to finally shine!!!
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This movie is not about old Kirk. It's about the end of our current generation and starting a new generation, going back to original Kirk and Spock. In case you forget, James Kirk DIED. Not some half-ass "Remember" Spock death either, but fell off a fucking mountain dead. Shatner's fan fiction is not canon, and they're not going to have the time in this film to explain how they bring him back to life. It's a bloody miracle they're going to have Nimoy in it, but he still has a point to the story. Bringing Kirk back only to jetisson him along with the rest of the current continuity would only distract from the story that is being told here!
If you want to boycott this based on the fact that a almost 80-year-old man is ticked that he can't come back as a dead man to ride the only thing that he's known for, then go ahead, you and the losers can go line up for "Night at the Museum 2" or whatever shit is coming out next Christmas. "Star Trek" started shooting yesterday. I'm ready for it and chomping at the bit. -
giving out disinformation for JJ.
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If anyone can make Star Trek poignant and relevant, it will be JJ Abrams! Missions Impossible 3 was arguably the best of the series. Alias was groundbreaking! LOST is simply the best television drama ever. I've got to have some faith in Abrams and his buddies!
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From a "business perspective", i think this movie, having all the changes, the "Marvel Ultimate" feel it's being witnessed, is meant for new audience. Mainly people who never cared about Trek before. The usual fans will go to the movies, they got that right. It has Nimoy, it's enaugh for them. Shatner appearing would cause some tone problems with "Aaiming new audience" in my opinion.
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Nowhere Man= Second most under-appreciated show on TV behind Firefly.
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...that the film BEGINS with a reference to Kirk's death (and Spock's reflection about it). Anyone else know anything about this?
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He's a bomb actor.
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I'm confused. It seems the hard-core-trek fans want continuity and Kirk in this film. That's just not going to happen. I think ST be it original or Deep Space Anal Nineteen is going to take on more of a Robin Hood-esque place in pop culture whereby it's told over and over and over again with varying interpretations and takes even on the original characters years from now. This means all the mothers-basement-living virgins out there will not be able to paste a Trek universe timeline on their bedroom walls without tying some strings to the one across from it. It's just entertainment and not an actual universe. I'm looking forward to this movie and I desperately hope it alienates the hard core pedophile trekkies and brings in a more mainstream audience placing it in the aforementioned catagory.
Not all trekkies are pedophiles, but all pedophiles are trekkies.
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Beams down and finds a giant scooped out side of the mountain and smoking ruin...Kirk's body has been stolen by the Borg and they have revived him to be their new tactical leader..Starfleet ships everywhere start reporting that Borg cubes across the galaxy are powered down and floating as if dead in space and that they will be "Going in for a closer look"
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And for that reason alone, this day is an historic one.
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...Ensign Riley yet?
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And that is a highly underrated film, Kevin Costner's HORRIBLE accent aside. This project is already in the toliet though, cause they screwed up Kirk, Spock & McCoy's casting.
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He didnt seem too angry about being left out. He seemed more confused as to why he wasnt included. His appearance was mainly to shill for some time share in Vegas. You would think the dude was rich enough that he was above hawking time shares.
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For the love of all that is decent and holy...NO MORE TIME TRAVEL!
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Parkway Theater ,Oakland, CA. Showing "Incubus" (creepy early 60's flick with all words spoken in Esperanto) and other goodies.
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When looking at the before photo I consider liota for the part.
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Make it seem like Kirk is dead, like Spock is mourning him and remembering their early days together. Then right at the end of the movie Kirk steps into the room, or the camera moves round to him or something and we realise he's still alive and he says a cool line to end the flick. BANG! That would be great.
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As for the Shat, don't worry. The neurotic idiots in charge will panic as release day comes closer and give him some cameo, maybe as George Kirk.
What a mess! Time travel is only used so it can be the excuse to cover revisionistic continuity betrayals.
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was great in Thirteen Days! (I love that movie). This Star Trek movie I don't know about... I'm a life long fan and will see the movie but - it's got a long ways to go before I'm sold... I think Shatner should be this movie. I really think the best idea for Star Trek would have been to just move forward... something set beyond TNG.
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Man what a great show that was. Bruce Greenwood is one of those "Great in anything" guys. I have always thought that Ray Liotta is a dead ringer for the original Pike though. He's probably too old though.
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That gets me excited about this movie. Okay, I was already kinda excited becase of JJ Abrams and Co. But just that Pike's going to be in it totally makes me geek.
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So Moriarty, you don't agree with Herc's theory on Shatner being in the movie then?
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as Admiral something or other who appears at the very end and reprimands the young crew for their reckless insubordination blah blah only to smile at the end and in an oh so corny way to absolve them of all their crimes because their daring, heroic efforts saved the Federation from certain doom. His entrance will probably involve some swiveling around in an armchair and his last words to the young Kirk will probably be something like "I have a feeling that you'll make a fine Captain someday and boldly go where no man has gone before" blah blah and then make some comment about how he wished he could quit his desk job and roam the stars once more because the most exciting times lie ahead blah blah. Or it might be a case where the young Kirk runs around the corner to come face to face with Shatner and they do a double take. If his cameo is anything even remotely cornball like that, I vote no Shatner.
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Agewise it seems Greenwood (51) playing Pike after Hunter (40) is less revisionist than James Cromwell (56) playing Zefram Cochrane after Glenn Corbett (34).
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You can debate whether he should be in this movie or not, but if he wasn't in the original series, no one would be talking about it now, or at any time in the past for that matter. Without Shatner, ST would have been Space:1999 from a commercial standpoint. He made the show what it was: a success.
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"The Menagerie" is being shown on-screen next week at a local theater. I bought some tickets, then invited my girlfriend. It's Star Trek, you know? I wasn't too sure she would be interested.
Lo and behold, not only does she want to go, she asks if she could dress up like Uhura for it.
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...prevent Kirk's lonely death in Generations? Who knows?
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...when he lays on his back. What is he -- a size 60?!?
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that the movie begins with a really hot striptease, ala Demi Moore in Striptease, done by Spock as he remembers Kirk- anyone else hear this?
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Jamie Bamber as Pike would have been casting Genius!!!!! He looks a great deal like Jeffrey hunter and we know he can play the reluctant, heroic leader role. Bruce Greenwood was terrific as JFK though. Should be fine.
Now get Shatner in the fucking movie!! He can play Kirk's pappy and in some sort of poingant scene young Kirk comes home to the Iowa farm one last time before assuming command of the Enterprise and rides a horse across the praire to find pappy Shatner fixing a fence or something, melodramatic diologue ensues many of us cry and fade to the Enterprise in dock. There I just wrote a beautiful scene that would fit nicely at the end of the film. Oh and Ha Ha Next Generation era is dead!!!!!!! Now on to the hot chicks, dropkicks, spacebattles, thoughtful morality plays, characters who aren't boring stiffs and no fucking children on the flag-battleship of the fleet!!!!!! -
like a lot of the good ones it was taken before its time
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How is not having Shatner a bad business decision? Did the James Bond reboot need Sean Connery to make a cameo to be successful? Did Jamie Lee Curtis need to make a cameo for the Rob Zombie reboot to be successful? I'm sorry, but I am a big fan of the original Star Trek, but I will not make a decision on seeing this movie based on whether Shatner is in the movie.
My guess is that the Nimoy Spock that will be in the movie will probably be 50-100 years in the future since Vulcans age slower than humans. There would be no logical explaination to have Kirk in this time period.
If Shatner really wants to be in this movie, make him the ship's janator or something. I don't think Abrahams owes Shatner or the fans a cameo appearance by Shatner. If this movie is going to suck or be great, it will not rest on whether Shatner is in the movie or not.
As for Greenwod's age, I don't care about that either. Christopher Pike was a minor character in the Star Trek universe. We only even see him at all is because they already had the footage shot and it was an inexpensive way to put together an episode. Otherwise, we may never had met Christopher Pike except in dialog.
I have far more problems with the casting of some of the main characters. I could care less how they change the Pike character. -
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"But stop acting like JJ Abrams went to Shatner's house and punched him in the beanbag."
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Anyone need a ticket for New Brunswick, NJ? I have an extra one I don't need. $12
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Please, these actors have signed off more times than Cher and Babs have had farewell concerts. Let it go Indiana...let it go. They actually signed off in the end of Undiscovered and should clearly have stayed that way. This undying devotion to this dying cast won't let the franchise move forward. So fuk the OG cast, fuk the OG continuity and let somebody new take it in a new (and yes, updated) direction. So, if the dude playing Pike is older, or if his wheelchair actually has more than a blinking light just take a deep breath and remember that you don't live in the movie and you are not the guardian of continuity between 12 movies and six series of contributions. Put it this way, in the music business you can cover a classic song fairly easily because there is nothing you can do to tarnish the integrity of the original. It's merely homage and interpretation to an idea. This is similar in that they are able to take certain elements and use them to write a new story. Adaptability is and always shall be the key to survival.
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Now that's a show that should adapt as a feature film! I loved watching Nowhere Man back in the day.
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but I'm still just surprised Pike is IN this movie.
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...certainly worked wonders for "Snakes on a Plane," didn't it?
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I have no problem with them going in a new direction and not having any of the OG actors in it BUT they're not doing that. If they wanted to go in new direction they should have come up with brand new characters like ST:TNG was to the original series. THEY'RE rehashing already known and loved characters. I have no problems with Shatner not being in the movie, i have no problems with the PIKE casting but I do have problems with the "90210 trek" casting. and JJ is not infallible, cuz the ending of MI 3 SUCKED HARD! and remember before alias he created the overhyped crapfest felicity.
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Jeffrey Hunter was 40 when he portrayed Pike. Greenwood is 51 and looks older than 51. A fine actor, but not exactly who I pictured as Pike. Not by a longshot.
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Look, I know many of us Trekkie/Trekker types get hung up on continuity - but I'd love to see some new adventures for Kirk and company - so why not regard this reboot as an alternate timeline? Imagine the possibilities if one weren't constrained by the canon set forth by TOS and others - didn't Enterprise already fuck continuity with Tpol being on Enterprise, Klingons coming to Earth, etc etc etc? JJ Abrams may deliver a stirring adventure with some old friends - or he may deliver a derivative piece of crap - but I'll wait to see it before I condemn it... Oh, and if you're going to tell me that only Shatner can play Kirk, Nimoy play Spock, etc, then I will say that, following your logic, Bond films would have stopped with Connery - and think of some of the cool stuff we would have missed - especially the recent remake of Casino Royale.
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Looks like he can kick the new Kirk's ass.
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The true first Captain of the Enterprise.
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I for one, am looking forward to this. I'll be happy that Shatner is not in it, mostly because I enjoyed him best as young Kirk. Bloated Boston Legal Kirk - not so much. Too distracting.
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Pike is still in The Cage.
Or maybe he's the autistic kid on "St. Elsewhere."
Anyway, it's all a bad dream.
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This Greenwood's not only too old to play Pike, he hasn't got the dashing good looks of Jeff Hunter. Best rumour I'd heard was cruise, now it looks like AB Hams has gone and fucked up any of his good early casting scoops. This now sucks the big one!!!
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I'm still going to keep an eye on this one but the casting is very strange! With Karl Urban and Simon Pegg, it almost seems as though their picking names out of a hat. Surely Pike shouldn't been this much older than Kirk should he?I actually really like Bruce but he just doesn't seem right for the part.The only casting decision I can honestly say feels right at the moment is Eric B as the bad guy.
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Nov 08, 2007 7:47:20 PM CST
"JJ Abrams went to Shatner's house and punched him in the beanba
by iammrmonkey!
God, I'd like to see that on YouTube.
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(I haven't read all of this talkback yet, so if this has already been mentioned, pardon my zinger!) Re: Pike/Pine. Years ago, the Seattle sketch comedy television series "Almost Live!" featured a game show wherein contestants were given descriptions of various businesses and other familiar locales, and they had to determine if said businesses were on either Pike Street or Pine Street. The joke being that Pike and Pine Streets run parallel to each other, all through downtown from the waterfront up to Capitol Hill (and beyond?). The running gag was that no one could accurately state which was the correct street on the first try. It was funny then, and it's funny now, because it's true.
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Nov 08, 2007 10:01:26 PM CST
"This movie is gonna stink, it's gonna blow, it's gonna tank. An
by thegreatwhatzit
Don't waste your time and money. Glad I got this shit off my chest."
Signed,
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Nov 08, 2007 10:06:20 PM CST
"And, oh yeah, Nimoy is awful in this movie. Stink-a-roo."
by thegreatwhatzit
Still Anonymous
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Only way it explains the colour change.
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Your message was brilliant. Needed a good laugh (funeral service earlier this evening)--thanks for the therapy.
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Nov 09, 2007 1:24:20 AM CST
Thbis is the only decent piece of news I've heard so far about t
by carl's hat
Bruce Greenwood is one of the most under-rated actors in Hollywood.
Nowhere Man, talk about a show being right on the money, was only taken off the air 'cause the neo-cons were getting a bit nervous watching it.
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now he's a little heavier in the face and too old for the part as well.
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The conspiracy was spending more money to screw up Bruce than they could hope to earn from the conspiracy.
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I especially loved the confrontation with Sam Anderson of future 'Angel' and 'Lost' fame. And when the obnoxious guy from Spin City and Mad About You was a bad guy tv producer. That was cool, too. And how about some love for Mr. Greenwood in the classic Atom Egoyan film, Exotica?
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What makes you think Jessica Simpson can do laundry?
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I'm sure they could get a cameo from James Doohan's ashes in somewhere, just in a cabinet of trophies/awards or something. That would really piss Shatner off.
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