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“The Office” showrunner Greg Daniels is picketing his own Van Nuys set. Cast members – including Rainn Wilson, Jenna Fischer and John Krasinski as well as WGA members Steve Carell, B.J. Novak, Mindy Kaling and Paul Leiberstein – are not crossing the picket line.

Losing its cast shuts down NBC’s highest-rated sitcom a lot faster than a lot of other series, which are trying to put into production the last few scripts written before the strike.

An excerpt from a TVWeek story on the matter:

“We have non-writing producers on the show who are perfectly capable of doing any non-writing producing duties,” Mr. Daniels said. “They want me do to writing-producing and just pretend it’s producing. Every decision you make has a writing aspect to it. If they really just thought it was producing, they could just as easily get somebody else to do these tasks.”

Read all of TVWeek’s story here.

According to a Nov. 6 TVWeek post, other sitcoms said to have already ceased production include “Back To You,” “Big Bang Theory,” “Everybody Hates Chris,” “Miss/Guided” and “Rules of Engagement.”

"Law & Order: Criminal Intent" showrunner Warren Leight told the L.A. Times he will not cross the picket line.

"30 Rock" writer/star/mastermind/showrunner Tina Fey was picketing, but also continues to work in front of the cameras, ironically to play WGA member Liz Lemon.

Joss Whedon reports that his old "Buffy" actors Alyson Hannigan (now on "How I Met Your Mother") and David Boreanaz (now on "Bones") were both picketing alongside the writers outside the Fox lot.

And there's this:

Hey, Herc -- They're telling the striking workers down at CBS that Julia Louise Dreyfuss walked off the set of "New Adventures of Old Christine" today and promptly joined the picket line. I now love Ms. Dreyfuss.

And this:

Outside of Universal this morning was the bearded one himself, ["Battlestar Galactica" showrunner] Ron Moore, picketing the Universal Studios Gates with the entire writing staff.

And this:

I can confirm that the entire writing staff of TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES, including showrunners John Wirth and Josh Friedman, were out picketing at Warner Bros today.

And this:

Herc,

Heads up, another show to add to the list of frozen productions.

Rules of Engagement, starring David Spade and Patrick Warburton has officially shut down as well. Their last episode was filmed Sunday night instead of the usual Tuesday night.

I work on the show and it's officially shut down until further notice.

And this:

CSI showrunner Carol Mendelsohn has been with her staff picketing outside Universal both Monday and Tuesday.

And this:

Jason Katims, who runs Friday night lights (and also recently ran bionic woman) has been picketing at universal the last two days with his entire writing staff. Today I saw him chatting and picketing with CSI actor bill petersen.

And this:

Will Scheffer and Mark V. Olsen creators/showrunners of Big Love on HBO have been picketing with their entire writing staff outside studios Sunset-Gower.

And this:

The entire writing staff of SAMANTHA WHO?, including showrunner Donald Todd, have been picketing outside CBS Radford since day one, outside the parking garage gate on Radford.

And this:

Showrunner/Creator Hart Hanson and Executive Producer Stephen Nathan are picketing at Fox. Stephen Nathan is particularly noisy.

And this:

"Desperate Housewives" showrunner Marc Cherry picketed Universal Monday, alongside WGA President Patric Veronne and lead negotiator David Young. Entertainment Tonight popped by as well. Marc will be back tomorrow, he is picketing with his entire writing staff.

Marg Helgenberger showed up all by her lonesome to join the picket, and did actually picket for several hours.

Joss Whedon's fan club, Whedoneque, had pizzas delivered to all gates, including a special anchovies-only for Jane Espenson (she did drop by and did enjoy a slice).

And a man I am told was Ahmet Zappa came by with several dozen iced blendeds from Coffee Bean for everyone's enjoyment.

The honks from drivers passing by were deafening and constant, and greatly, greatly appreciated - keep honking! NBC even sent down an *intern* to beg us to quit encouraging the honking, as it was "distracting" to the suits inside. We'll get right on that.

And this from Jane Espenson:

Ron Moore is indeed picketing with his entire staff, and I wanted to report that Neal Baer, from Law and Order SVU was out there with his staff as well this [Tuesday] morning.

And this:

Yesterday I was on the picket line at Fox with Howard Gordon from 24 and the creator/showrunner of House David Shore and Steve Levitan from Back to You.

This from longtime AICN contributor "Derek Flint":

Bryan Fuller was picketing Warner Brothers with the entire writing staff of PUSHING DAISIES.

J.J. Abrams picketed alongside the producers of LOST.

Reportedly, Tim Kring wouldn't comply with a weekend rewrite that would tack a season ending onto the last script written and is now off HEROES.

That report on Kring appears to be erroneous. From a Nov. 6 AP report:

Tim Kring, a producer and writer of the NBC hit "Heroes," said he had to revise the ending of the show's 11th episode on the chance that it might be the last one to air this season. "Fortunately we were able to hustle back," Kring said from a picket line in an effort to shut down the show. "The audience won't be left in a lurch."

An email from "Grey's Anatomy"/"Private Practice" mastermind Shonda Rhimes:

I have to tell all of you that this email directly reflects the stance I came to over a very long night in New York. I absolutely believed that I would edit our episodes. Until a thought hit me: how can I walk a picket line and then continue to essentially work? How am I supposed to look at myself in the mirror or look at my child years from now and know that I did not have the courage of my convictions to stand up and put myself more at risk than anyone else? So I choose not to render my services as a producer. I choose to honor the strike. And I am proud that you all stand with me.

Shawn Ryan, showrunner on CBS' "The Unit" and FX's "The Shield," is also staying out of the office and on the picket line with "Unit" star Robert Patrick. Ryan writes:

At the Showrunners Meeting it became very clear to me that the only thing I can do as a showrunner is to do nothing. I obviously will not write on my shows. But I also will not edit, I will not cast, I will not look at location photos, I will not get on the phone with the network and studio, I will not prep directors, I will not review mixes. These are all acts that are about the writing of the show or protecting the writing of the show, and as such, I will not participate in them. I will also not ask any of my writer/producers to do any of these things for me, so that they get done, but I can save face.

I will not go into the office and I will not do any work at home. I will be on the picket line or I will be working with the Negotiating Committee. I will not have an avid sent to my house, or to a new office so that I can do work on my show and act as if it is all right because I'm not crossing any picket lines.

Read more of Ryan's thoughts on the matter here.

If anyone knows of other showrunners and/or cast picketing and/or staying home today, kindly get in touch:

HerculesAICN@yahoo.com


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  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    This should be a kick in the nuts...

    by Merlox

    to the producers and netowrks. Time to wrap this shit up folks.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Oh. My. God.

    by Triceratops on Fire

    Okay, so strikes are never funny. Now it hits home. My favorite sitcom, completely torpedoed...Please end the strike soon!!!<br><br>..sniff

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    hey!

    by Merlox

    holy shit I was first....way to go me!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    One second!!

    by Triceratops on Fire

    So close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    The End of the World as We Know It

    by Ryang

    And Greg Daniels (and I'm told Rainn Wilson) just read the best office script EVER!! But now they can't shoot it!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    does this mean we won't get a full season?

    by borbafett

    for arguments sake, lets say a particular show gets 20 new episodes a season. now with the strike happening, does that mean that if the strike lasts 3 weeks, there will only be 17 episodes this season?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    WOW...

    by FilmNerdJamie

    ...my already high respect for the cast/crew at THE OFFICE (i.e. Daniels, Carell, Novak, etc.) just went up! It's actions like that which will make the producers fold, and give the writers what they're damn-well entitled to.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Damn.

    by silentbobfan

    A show I actually care about is impacted by the strike.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Give the writers more $$$

    by thejacksack

    We can't live without great shows like Viva Laughlin and Cavemen...... oh wait...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Tina Fey is walking the picket line in NYC

    by Larry of Arabia

    So there goes 30 Rock.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    I'm not leaving until I get more money asshole...

    by mparke2

    That's what she said.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST

    If Tina Fey sees this

    by tme2nsb

    I will leave you for my wife. Really.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Isnt this really just a Digital rights issue?

    by TheRealSeveren

    DM compensation isnt where the WGA thinks it should be so theyre shutting down a season of a show that will eventually end up on dvd which they wont get paid for. Seems like they should be protesting in front of a Best Buy and be more concerned with what is already out on dvd and not stop production on a season that has yet to be released on dvd. Surely, they can reach an agreement by the time these current seasons end up on the shelves cant they?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:13 p.m. CST

    tme2nsb, you may have gotten that mixed up...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Depending on what you wanted to say...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Severen

    by Jor-El23

    How does protesting a Best Buy accomplish anything? Shutting down a show is the biggest thing writers can do to get someone's attention.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Solidarity Brothers!

    by offput

    Seriously, the productions companies need to man up and give the writers what the want. They fucking deserve it.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:25 p.m. CST

    in other words

    by DonnyUnitas

    netflix and the WWE now become my sole provider of primetime and latenight tv

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    They're all scum

    by rainbowtrout1265

    It's just greedy vs greedier. Neither side is deserving of any sympathy. A bunch of very well off people striking to become even more well off...who cares.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Digital Rights and an old DVD agreement

    by Kraken

    The DVD agreement they have now with writers is one that is over a decade old and is really unfair to writers. Now, on the producers side they're saying that the demands the WGA is making right now would double cost of productions and stop producers from making anything of risk. But who really knows? It's sad that there can't be a middle ground to meet on here.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    It's the end of times!

    by The Visco Kid

    I wonder if the writers on porn films went on strike too. Ha, that's funny.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Good to see these actors aren't scabs.

    by rbatty024

    The money should go to those producing art, not those who hold the purse. Power to the people!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    that's great and all...

    by tylrdrdn

    But for those of us who actually work on some of these shows and don't have anything to do with the writing, we are just out of work (or will be very soon) right in time for the holidays so it's sorta hard to be real sympathetic. This whole industry is fucked up, these people are picketing for more money while those at the bottom get to work 15 hour days for next to nothing. And now these people have to figure out how to pay their rent because the writers (who are already paid well) want more. I hate how the suits abuse us all and agree in spirit, but this really isn't going to help me in the long run.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    But What About...

    by Jonas Grumpy

    "America's Funniest Home Videos"? Please tell me that show won't go into reruns! I gots ta have my weekly, fresh dose of American stupidity!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST

    What about BSG?

    by Athenor

    I know that BSG is entering the beginning of its fourth season production -- how will this script affect it, considering they have until April to work?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    what a bunch of re-res...

    by Judge Briggs

    can't till South Park does something about this!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Athenor...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    Herc has already written about how many episodes BSG has already shot. My memory isn't that great, but I think it was about 10 out of the final 20. It may have been more like 12. Also, they probably have finished scripts on a few more. And the final season's already been pushed back to April (I seem to recall). So, as long as the strike isn't too long... BSG's final season shouldn't be affected.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:41 p.m. CST

    rainbowtrout1265...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    You are incorrect. The writers (and in a few months the actors are going to be striking for the same thing) are not greedy. They are striking because they receive nothing, zero, zip when something they've written is shown, or sold on the internet. That money goes entirely to the producers. It's not greed, it's about fairness.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Will WWE be affected by the strike?

    by rosasaks

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    And...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    The cast of THE OFFICE choosing not to cross the writer's pickett line is AMAZING. If every show did this, and every movie set did this... for just one day... this strike would last for about an hour and a half.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    wow

    by Shakes

    Yeah, it's def. starting to get heated. Don't worry though, all cast members of Cavemen are strictly in the actors union, so production on that will continue. This reminds me of that episode of The Sopranos where Christopher revealed he was in the writer's union because of his role in Cleaver. so I guess it goes to show that even people who only wrote like one thing were still entitled to union membership.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    The WGA website has a lsit.wga.org

    by viewdrix

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    rosasaks...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    no. WWE will be fine.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST

    News shows, sporting events, reality TV, game shows...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    All okay.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST

    If a DVD sells one million copies at $20

    by Quin the Eskimo

    the screenwriter gets a paltry $80,000. Also, Mindy Kaling and Jenna Fischer are possibly the coolest people in the business. Even more so today.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    The writer's guild has a list (corrected)

    by viewdrix

    I hate messing up comments. Anyway, from one fo their websites, the following people promised to go on strike: Robert Carlock Tina Fey (30 Rock) Warren Bell (According to Jim) Tim Doyle (Aliens in America) Rich Appel Mike Barker Matt Weitzman (American Dad) Dee Johnson (Army Wives) Steven Levitan Christopher Lloyd (Back To You) Ronald D. Moore (Battlestar Galactica) Mark Olsen Will Scheffer (Big Love) Jason Cahill (Bionic Woman) Hart Hanson Stephen Nathan (Bones) David E. Kelley (Boston Legal) Mark Perry (Brothers & Sisters) Greg Berlanti (Brothers & Sisters, Eli Stone, Dirty Sexy Money) Matt Nix (Burn Notice) Walon Green (Canterbury's Law) Marsh McCall (Carpoolers) Bill Martin Mike Schiff (Cavemen) Josh Schwartz (Chuck, Gossip Girl) James Duff (The Closer) Meredith Stiehm Veena Sud (Cold Case) Dennis Rinsler Marc Warren (Cory in the House) Edward Allen Bernero (Criminal Minds) Carol Mendelsohn Naren Shankar (CSI: Crime Scene Investigation) Pamela Veasey (CSI: New York) Marc Cherry (Desperate Housewives) Matthew Carnahan Joel Fields (Dirt) Josh Reims Craig Wright (Dirty Sexy Money) Marc Guggenheim (Eli Stone) John Wells David Zabel (ER) Charlie Craig Jaime Paglia Thania St. John (Eureka) David A. Goodman Seth MacFarlane Chris Sheridan (Family Guy) John F. Bowman (Frank TV) Jason Katims (Friday Night Lights) Stephanie Savage (Gossip Girl) Anne Kenney (Greek) Krista Vernoff (Grey's Anatomy) Shonda Rhimes (Grey's Anatomy, Private Practice) Steven Peterman Michael Poryes (Hannah Montana) Tim Kring (Heroes) Carter Bays Craig Thomas (How I Met Your Mother) Carol Barbee (Jericho, Swingtown) Kevin Falls (Journeyman) Warren Hutcherson Alison Taylor (Just Jordan) Jonathan Lisco Craig Silverstein (K-Ville) Eric Tuchman (Kyle XY) Rene Balcer (Law & Order) Warren Leight (Law & Order: Criminal Intent) Neal Baer (Law & Order: SVU) Kathleen McGhee- Anderson (Lincoln Heights) Carlton Cuse Damon Lindelof (Lost) Matt Weiner (Mad Men) Jenny Bicks (Men In Trees) Mark Hudis (Miss/Guided) Tom Fontana (M.O.N.Y., The Philanthropist) Chip Johannessen (Moonlight) Betsy Thomas (My Boys) Shane Brennan (NCIS) Kari Lizer (The New Adventures of Old Christine) David Manson (New Amsterdam) Stacy Traub (Notes from the Underbelly) Greg Daniels (The Office) Eric Kaplan (Out of Jimmy's Head) Marti Noxon (Private Practice) Tara Butters Michele Fazekas Tom Spezialy (Reaper) Dmitry Lipkin Dawn Prestwich Nicole Yorkin (The Riches) Tom Hertz (Rules of Engagement) Donald Todd (Samantha Who?) Ian Biederman Ed Redlich (Shark) James L. Brooks Matt Groening Al Jean (The Simpsons) Al Gough Miles Millar (Smallville) Tom Lynch (South of Nowhere) Danny Kallis (Suite Life on Deck) Josh Friedman Toni Graphia John Wirth (Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles) Josh Goldsmith Tim Hobert Cathy Yuspa ('Til Death) Joe Medeiros (The Tonight Show with Jay Leno) Alan Ball (True Blood) Silvio Horta Marco Pennette (Ugly Betty) Chuck Lorre (Two and a Half Men, The Big Bang Theory) David Simon (The Wire) Peter Murrieta (Wizards of Waverly Place) Elizabeth Craft Sarah Fain R. Scott Gemmill (Women's Murder Club) In Solidarity Tyler Bensinger Steven Bochco Jim Leonard Phil Rosenthal Robin Schiff

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Now that Tiny Fey isn't so busy writing on staff...

    by Karl Hungus

    ...she can spend some quality time writhing on my staff. Hey-oh!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    NNNNNnnnnnnnnoooo Now I have to reeeeeaaaddd!!!.

    by Pipple

    AHHHHHHh BUT BOOKS ARE SO LOOOOOOOOONG...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    I mean TINA...damn Freudian penis...SLIP!

    by Karl Hungus

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST

    As an advertising writer...

    by Det. John Kimble

    I feel like picketing my job every day. Maybe we should be out on strike with the WGA too,given the immense pressure advertisers can still apply to the networks, it might get this thing resolved lickety-split.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Why is it

    by Shivv

    that when one person stops going to work he or she gets fired, but if hundreds stop going to work and instead walk in a circle with signs like idiots they get a raise? <p>It's too bad that Hollywood doesn't have the balls to break the strike and bring in new writers. Likewise it's too bad that these writers, some of whom are very rich, don't have the balls to start their own studio and risk their own money to produce their scripts.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST

    No! Not Julia Louise Dreyfus!

    by Oknight

    The poor woman, without her paycheck how is she going to make ends meet? (OK, really, kudos to somebody who supports the NOT inconceivably wealthy)

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST

    The greed thing

    by TotalFreedom

    The striking writers get paid a lot of money to begin with, so it is difficult to sympathize with their sad stories of not getting new media revenue. I always wonder just how much some people want before it's going to be enough. It's like a tug of war between two sides of spoiled brats, while both are raking in far more than the average american regardless of dvd/internet revenue. Not even that they shouldn't, but it's just such a pathetic battle when you look at in in perspective.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    If the writers are on strike

    by Jor-El23

    who's writing all the phrases on the picket signs?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:59 p.m. CST

    rainbowtrout1265

    by Jonas Grumpy

    Mark Evanier has this to say on his blog, regarding your attitude of "a bunch of very well off people striking to become even more well off" (shared by too many others): http://tinyurl.com/2utob9

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6 p.m. CST

    Shivv

    by Quin the Eskimo

    I don't know you from Adam. But I've got you pegged as a fucking idiot.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6 p.m. CST

    Hey-- can they do stuff on their OWN websites?

    by Oknight

    Like the comedy show guys-- Daily Show, Leno, whatever-- can they write bits on their own and put them out on web sites? Man, it would REALLY stick it to the production execs to show how unneeded they are.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Writers are always the lowest on the totem pole

    by JoeSixPack

    They don't get no respect, I tell ya, no respect.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST

    lol

    by tme2nsb

    I meant I will leave my wife for Tina Fey <br> I feel like an idiot. Thanks!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    This sucks...

    by Crimson King

    Seriously. I hope they get their shit settled soon.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    No Hannah Montana????

    by deadshot07

    DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST

    I got paid $20,000 for a script of...

    by tme2nsb

    an episode of a show that never got filmed. Should I strike too?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Quote from:

    by tme2nsb

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Quote from: http://tinyurl.com/2utob9

    by tme2nsb

    Overpaid? That's a relative term. We make a vital contribution to a very profitable industry and in the grand scheme of that industry, our pay is a teensy fraction. Or to look at it another way, there are people who have a lot less to do with the success of a TV show or a movie than its writers but who make a lot more money off it. When our wages are cut — and every WGA strike of my career has in one way or another been about wanting to cut our wages — the money we'd lose would not go to widows and orphans. Really, the Producers are not out to correct some horrendous financial injustice by slashing our incomes. They just want to pay less for something, the same way they'd pay less for light bulbs and film and Evian water if they could. (And by the way, I don't think any of the folks who pay us think we're all overpaid, perhaps because if anyone's overpaid, it's them.)

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:10 p.m. CST

    No Cane = Nestor Carbonell on LOST

    by nopix

    HOPEFULLY

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Actually it was more like $950

    by tme2nsb

    Really. To the people calling writers ingrates - I say shut the fuck off. Writers don't get paid jack shit unless they are a show runner or a regular writer. I am a former member of the WGA (way back in 2002) and in the two years I was in there, I made about $6,000 - so shut the fuck up. Ungrateful? If a studio is making millions of dollars on DVD, VHS, and online store sales and the writers are only making half of pennies to the dollar, I'd be fucking pissed off too, espeically if I was the one who created the content in the first fucking place. why don't you naysayers die in a goddamn hole.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Why am I an idiot?

    by Shivv

    If it's for the first part of my comment, it was a bit of an attempt at humor, which I obviously failed at. If it's for the second part, what is idiotic about it? The studios could easily find writers to work on their terms, and the quality of the product put out to the public would probably not change all that much. <p>More to the point, Mel Gibson already proved that one good movie produced outside the studio system can generate half a billion dollars or so in profit. If these writers are really as good as they think they are, it should be no problem to raise the capital to film one or two great movies that would essentially bankroll a new studio freed from the oppression of the current studio bosses.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Fuck them.

    by El Scorcho

    I love the Office, but fuck those assholes. It's obviously just about the paycheck.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:17 p.m. CST

    AnimalStructure...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    You're on a website about movies and TV, and you think all Hollywood writers are morons. Why do you visit this site?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:18 p.m. CST

    LOST!!!!

    by BrightEyes

    hopefully it ends before Lost gets affected

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST

    AnimalStructure

    by Magnum Opus

    I like you. You're the kind of guy that tips 5% then tells the waiter if they wanted to make more money they shouldn't be working in a restaurant. Or who refuses to tip a cabbie and tells them they are lucky to be in America. With people like you here, they are indeed.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Crap, how many episodes did they have in the can? HOW MANY?!!

    by TallBoy66

    WHY, GOD? WHHHYYYY!!!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:28 p.m. CST

    sugar is the new oil!

    by ironic_name

    cane is still on?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    who'll write 'jim looks at camera like an idiot' now?

    by ironic_name

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:32 p.m. CST

    "carrell opens mouth, says nothing" eyebrows rise

    by ironic_name

    talented writing.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    "black guy looks fed up"

    by ironic_name

    best writing on teebee!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Jenna Fishers Ex Husband says

    by eric haislar

    “The Office” showrunner Greg Daniels has joined the picket line at his production company’s Van Nuys location in an attempt to shut down production of his show. “We’re trying to shut down ‘The Office,’” Mr. Daniels said. “We have the star of our show and the entire writing staff behind us.” Mr. Daniels says he arrived at 4:15 this morning and none of the show's actors have crossed the line. “The Office” cast includes several performers who are also writers on the show, like B.J. Novak, Mindy Kaling and Paul Lieberstein. “Office” star Steve Carell is a WGA member and is not showing up for work as well, he said. Mr. Daniels is one of many writer-producers facing the decision this morning whether to continue acting as producers on their shows. Sources say a group of top showrunners met this weekend and largely decided to not cross the picket lines. Studios maintain showrunners should continue working to fulfill their production duties. “We have non-writing producers on the show who are perfectly capable of doing any non-writing producing duties,” Mr. Daniels said. “They want me do to writing-producing and just pretend it’s producing. Every decision you make has a writing aspect to it. If they really just thought it was producing, they could just as easily get somebody else to do these tasks.” Mr. Daniels said there’s only one unproduced “Office” script that’s ready to go, but it’s a good one. “Last week we had our best table reading of the entire run of the show, and that’s what we were going to shoot this week,” he said.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    OOPS!!! Sorry

    by eric haislar

    Ignore above

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Jenna Fishers Ex Husband says

    by eric haislar

    I'm on strike! As a member of the Writers Guild of America, I have been on strike since 12 am last night. The only reason for the strike – and don't believe anything to the contrary – is that the studios have refused to pay writers (and screen actors, and directors) residuals on new media. When you download a movie from Amazon or a TV show on iTunes, the people who created that content, who devised it, wrote it, acted in it, and directed it, get exactly 0% of the profits. And the studios want it to stay that way. The WGA was asking for an increase in the residuals made on DVD sales (unlike new media, creators make a small percentage off of DVD and VHS sales, pay-per-view showings, TV sales, etc). For months now the studios have said that this was the reason the contract couldn't be closed. However, at the 11th hour – last night – the WGA took that off the table. It came down to new media and only new media. And the studios refused to budge. This strike is absolutely not a matter of the rich getting richer. We're not striking because of guys like me who have made numerous feature films, or guys like Greg Daniels who have created popular TV shows. This is for middle-class writers – your regular TV staff writers and people who may have done one or two small feature films. Residuals are a way they can make perhaps a few thousand dollars a year between gigs. This is a way they can put food on the table and pay the rent during downtime – and downtime is something almost all writers (and actors and directors) have. And the writers guild are striking not only for themselves – they're striking for the actors and directors as well. Most likely, whatever deal we agree to is the same deal the actors and directors will get when their contracts are up later this year. None of the TV shows or movies you watch would exist without us, the people who created them, who poured our hearts and souls into the making of them. And yet, again, the studios think that only they should be making the money off of them. And new media is exceptionally important – in just a few years that may be the way most of us experience most of our entertainment. I've gotten a lot of messages from MySpace folks worried about me or my various projects. The truth is, as long as the strike ends in the next thirty to forty years, I should be personally fine. And, to be quite honest, I'm excited about the break. I'm working on some smaller, non-studio, non-guild related projects with my brothers Brian and Sean, and with the LOLLILOVE crew of Pete Alton and Stevie Blackehart. This is stuff that really fires me up. As for my big projects, PETS is definitely on hold, as I'm in the middle of writing the script, and can't turn anything in until the strike is over. THE BELCOO EXPERIMENT is a different story – the script is completely finished, my deal with the producers is done, and I could direct it if we all chose to do that. But would I want to commit to a movie that I wouldn't have the freedom to rewrite even if I wanted to? However, although the strike for me is, in some ways, a good thing, I recognize how shitty it is for the rest of the industry, and the city of Los Angeles in general, so I want it to end quickly. I can't help but think of all the crew people who are going to lose jobs because of this, or the Burbank waiters and waitresses whose tips are going to dry up as the work around them does – not to mention the strippers across the LA area whose g-strings rely on writers and actors being flush with cash. Let's end this fucking strike for the strippers, okay? Not to mention you guys, the audience. You're going to start to feel it right away with the late-night talk shows that are going to disappear or get real crappy real quick. And, if it lasts for a bit, you're going to lose out on the second half of the seasons of your favorite TV shows (already, WGA member Steve Carell didn't show up to set, so this season of THE OFFICE could be kaput after the next few already-shot episodes.) The studios will also rush movies into production with unfinished scripts which means, in a little less than a year from now, you're going to see the shittiest movies of all time. So for their stinginess, their greed, and their overall bullshit, the studios can go fuck themselves. And not in a nice way either. Be good, James

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    "pam looks around" "jim smiles like a moron"

    by ironic_name

    that show has writers?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Did Creed cross the picket line?

    by tonagan

    Because I'd be up for an all-Creed episode (I'm not sure how that would work without writers).

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    "bj novak does nothing" "blonde girl does nothing"

    by ironic_name

    emmy winning.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    as crap as it is, office us is better than uk

    by ironic_name

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Sergei Eisenstein...

    by Catnip_Thieves

    ... should be out there filming this shit. It's a revolution in motion. What? He's dead? Well, that's just fucking inconvenient. With all these writers stand on street corners with Golf Sale signs, do you think now would be a good time to get rid of my shares in Starbucks before the inevitable bankruptcy?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Oh no

    by Shivv

    not Jenna Fischer's ex-husband! Who is going to write the next shitty Scooby-Doo movie??? If James Gunn had actually ever made a good movie I would give a fuck what he has to say. But because he hasn't, I don't.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Since ACCORDING TO JIM doesn't actually use writers...

    by Uncle Stan

    ...I'm sure it won't be affected and the comedy genius that we've all come to chortle and guffaw over will continue unabated.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    just watched according to jim

    by ironic_name

    remember in one hour photo when blood shoots out of sy's eyes?<P>yeah.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST

    I SUPPORT THE WRITERS ON THIS ONE.

    by Pound Sand

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Mr Spork

    by Jonas Grumpy

    As I type these words, they appear in a little box on my screen. I am able to read them as they appear. When I make a mistake, or wish to rephrase something, I hit the "delete" button until what's no longer needed goes away, then I type some more. Also, I can use the arrow keys or the mouse to move the cursor. (A little blue scroll button on the side of this box allows me to move up and down the copy, as well.) When I am done typing, I re-read the entire message before I click on the "post talkback" button, altering text where necessary. Am I the only one who is able to do any of this? Is it because I'm using Safari on a Mac? Is everyone else typing blind, unable to see what they're about to post as it's being written? Doesn't anyone else proofread before posting? Is commenting speed of such importance that everyone hammers out a message just as quickly as they can, posting it before it was complete? Am I the only one who uses more than two fingers while typing, and who doesn't have to look down at their keyboard while doing so? I don't understand the need or desire for an edit function on this site. Explain, please!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST

    WRITERS...

    by AssWhole

    Yep, they're known for how well paid they are. Why would anyone go into acting, directing, law, architecture, or medicine, when you can ride that big money gravy train that only writers are priveleged to ride? Fuck off you ignoramus douchebags. Anyone who says the average entertainment writer is well-paid is a fucking idiot. (There is quite a bit of difference between regular assignment writers, a minority amongst the writing community, and those who irregularly receive writing assignments, the majority.) Three cents (if even) per dvd sold? How the hell does someone come up with a writer earning $80,000 on 1 million dvd sales? You obviously don't know what you're talking about, although if it's your asshole doing the talking I can understand the misunderstanding in the translation.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Jonas Grupmy

    by Oknight

    are you confused as to the meaning of what people comment? If not WHY WOULD YOU POSSSIBLY CARE about the editing of text messages? WHY. POSSIBLY.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Jonas Grumpy

    by ironic_name

    Doesn't anyone else proofread before posting?<P>fuck no!.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Is According to Jim still on?

    by Shakes

    I'm serious, I thought it was canceled after last season, right around the time they canned George Lopez. <br> As for the writers, yeah the big names on shows like Lost and Law and Order probably make a decent paycheck. But pretty much every show out there employs writers in some capacity. Even a "reality" show like Survivor has writers on staff, mainly to write things like Jeff's narratives and stuff. And even for the bigger shows there's a lot of writers on staff who submit ideas and are payed to flesh out other's basic plots. I don't know, its just that the number of people involved in this is more than just the people who wrote the 22 episodes of a show each season.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST

    just remember

    by ironic_name

    sugar is the new oil!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:08 p.m. CST

    As a writer...

    by BoggyCreekBeast

    I am NOT going to write during this stri- oh, shit!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST

    wow, lot of bitterness from the wannabe crowd

    by BrowncoatJedi

    Admit it, you losers are just bitter nobody cares about your never-to-be-produced 300 page Sci Fi epic, so you're just shitting all over the real writers.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Oknight

    by Jonas Grumpy

    I am not confused as to the meaning of what people comment. For all the years I've been lurking on this site, talkbackers have been complaining about the lack of an edit feature. It seems to me that editing could be done WHILE writing. I know that MySpace allows one to preview a blog entry before posting, but I find that equally unnecessary. Everyone here should just say what they have to say, look at it while they write it, fix it at the time, and quit bellyaching about how their post went up before it could be edited. That's all. It's also known as paying attention. If you hit the return button before you meant to, that's not the fault of anyone running this site.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    ironic_name

    by Jonas Grumpy

    "fuck no!." Okay, that was funny.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:19 p.m. CST

    P.S.

    by Jonas Grumpy

    I'm not a writer, nor do I play one on TV.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:28 p.m. CST

    NBC will take this extra hard

    by MurderMostFowl

    Remember, they pulled all their new content from iTunes to launch their new video service coming out RSN? Now that the strike happened, they'll basically launch their new service with no new content. Ouch.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Jenna and John crossed the line today.....

    by guyofdoom

    FYI-Jenna and John shot talking head scenes today........

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Jenna Fischer's ex-husband's comments

    by rainbowtrout1265

    His arrogant comments explain why there isn't much sympathy to be found for the writers. A little humility would serve the writers well in the PR battle.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    look on the bright side

    by palinode

    There's always lots of Canadian television and uh... shit.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:04 p.m. CST

    If Tina Fey sees this...

    by smackfu

    You looked like shit on CNN today but I still wouldn't throw you out of bed for eating crackers...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:06 p.m. CST

    dreyfuss walks off her new sitcom? THANK JESUS

    by Pipple

    That must be the most bland, paint by numbers show since her last attempt at coming out from elaine's shadow.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Tim Kring off of Heroes for good?

    by Zardoz

    or just until the strike's over? Both are good...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:09 p.m. CST

    MAGNUM OPUS - YOU DESCRIBED ANIMALSTRUCTURE TO A FUCKING T

    by BringingSexyBack

    That's him, in a nutshell.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST

    babies gotta eat!

    by theonecalledshoe

    writers on the other hand... who cares? ===end of IM style writing.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:16 p.m. CST

    This just shows how fucking stupid talkbackers are...

    by Kasch

    "The writers are greedy! They have it so easy! Blah,blah,blah..." You douchebags think you know so much about this business since you watch a lot of TV and post on the fucking internet? The writers are completely in the right here. Residuals are the only thing keeping bread on their table in between jobs and since syndication is being replaced with DVD and internet sales, refusing them a measly share of the profits is pure studio greed. You're all on the outside looking in. Why don't you naysayers move out to L.A. and see if you can survive for more than a few months? On a different note, I hope the strike doesn't hurt Galactica in its final season. Looks like it has already killed Heroes dead.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:21 p.m. CST

    tylrdrdn you are so correct.

    by qweruiop

    What about all the people who work on these halted tv shows/movies as stage handlers, prop wranglers, sound effect guys, etc. Basically all the people who work behind the scenes. Doesn't that mean that essentially they're out of a job until this strike is over? Who's going to pay them while this happens, which could take weeks if not months? Will they get backend pay for this? I think not. Nice work there WGA writers in that your strike has now put thousands of working class people out of work. Why don't the news organizations talk to these unfortunate people and get their side on this whole mess.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Where's Harry?

    by Bluereader

    I'd love to know where he stands. I'd also like to know what he thinks about all the assholes on this site that think that writers have it easy and they shouldn't be paid well for their work. They are - to quote one of my favorite writers - cocksuckers! (That means you AnalSucker - I mean AnimalStructure.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST

    How many good shows will this kill?

    by Novaman5000

    Isn't anyone else concerned that Pushing Daisies, like Cane, might not survive this?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST

    In regards to the affected crew members...

    by the beef

    Why place blame on the writers? Why is the studio not just as much at fault for not agreeing to the WGA terms? It's sad that the crew members are out of work, but to say that the writers shouldn't fight for their right to obtain things that they deserve because it'll put thousands of other people out of work is just bowing down to the studios, and then nothing would EVER change. Yes, it sucks that these people will have no income, but you can just easily place blame on the studios for not giving in as you can for the writers choosing not to work. This isn't about the rich wanting to get richer. This seems to be about people being paid their due. That's admirable, and it's just unfortunate that the "lesser" employees on the totem pole will have to suffer.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Writers are just greedy douchebags

    by Bob of the Shire

    Thinkin' they is so smart with their big words and fancy letters. <br> <br> Nah, the big guilds annoy me sometimes but I'm with the writers on this one. I just hope the studios cave in quick and my favorite shows get back into production. For instance, I'd hate to see the quality of The Shield season finale dip because of this but I understand and agree with Shawn Ryan's position. There is a lot more than just the current seasons production riding on this.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Scrubs is in Danger!

    by MMacKK

    As a result of the strike, Scrubs projected finale may never come to fruition as theyve only done 12 of the 18 shows! http://usydedu.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6206727682 If this happens, I'll be devastated... I mean 7 years, and no conclusion to Tv's greatest show? That's sacrilege.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:51 p.m. CST

    I am all for writers getting residuals, but

    by Novaman5000

    I hate this "scab" bullshit. So not only are you going to stop writing, but anyone else who wants to try to write gets shat on and guilt tripped? Unions can be fucking bullies sometimes.<p> It's damn near impossible to make it out here without being in a union, and it's hard to get into a union without getting some experience. It can be really frustrating, which makes it hard to sympathize.<p> And what about all the crew out of work now cuz of these guys striking? 22 weeks is a long time with no job. I'm torn. I just want my shows back. But hey, maybe this will mean Richard returns to LOST!<p> Also, Moore can picket his ass off. BSG doesn't come back for like 5 years anyway, so we've got time.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Heroes gets flushed down the toilet

    by AlwaysThere

    About fucking time.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    If scrubs doesn't get a finale because of this bullshit,l

    by Novaman5000

    I'll be livid.<p> It sort of makes you wonder how creatively invested these people are in their shows if they're willing to kill them over getting residual payment down the line...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Writers are well-paid?

    by uglyMood

    Wow. What else is ass-backwards in your alternate universe? Anybody that's been in or around the business in THIS one knows that the vast majority of writers make squat. It's been that way since the film industry began. As for writing not being work, we'll discuss it after you've written a decent screenplay. What an incredible ignoramus.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:08 p.m. CST

    not all writers are rich you idiots in fact

    by slappy jones

    writers for the most part get treated like shit, paid the least and struggle. anyone who calls the writers greedy and thinks they are out of line is a knob. The studios and networks are greedy and will do anything they can to fuck people out their money. Claiming that DVDs are still in their infancy and it is still too experimental...give me a break. I see people on here talking about the writers shouls count their lucky stars to have such cushy jobs..these guys actually create and come with the shows...they make them successful yet reap the least of the rewards.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Tack a season end on to Heroes?

    by Larry of Arabia

    That's not a good move. If the cast and crew films it I'm off the show myself.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST

    but most of what they write is garbage slappy

    by Pipple

    I know I long for the days when I'd actually look forward to watching an afternoon full of brilliant television but those days are long gone. Wow the great minds that brought us according to jim and Cavemen are going to have to buy cheaper coffee or whatever boo fuckin hoo

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST

    and the second the strike ends.....

    by LHombreSiniestro

    Writer's block! I'm glad shows are off so I can focus on my end of semester term papers. Sheesh!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    kudos to Kring

    by INWOsuxRED

    the stories sure made it sound like the revision was in the bag, I'm glad he didn't comply, even if it costs him his show. I also liked his appearance on G4. The sad thing is, if he was listening to fanboys, he was probably saving budget/action for the finale, which will never happen.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Fuck this shit.

    by Dwide Shrewd

    Who are we now, the French? Fuck this strike bullshit.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    What the hell is wrong with you people!?

    by Siguy

    "Stupid lazy writers" "Fucking hollywood guilds" "Greedy shits" Let's be clear. You're saying "Writers are stupid, they shouldn't get more money, the major corporation should get it." I can't imagine you people. What sort of demented person wakes up in the morning and thinks "God I hope Sony doesn't make 880 million dollars this quarter instead of 900 because of those greedy writers." I mean seriously, even if you think the writers are well-paid, in what sense is it greedy or stupid to expect to make a reasonable percentage of all the money your work generates. How is it better for you, the talkbacking nutjob, to have Sony or WB or whoever keeping all the extra profit? It's not like they pass the savings onto you.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    these geeks with their miniscule muscles just shut down

    by slappy jones

    nearly every t.v. show around. I would their minsule muscles just fucked hollywood in the ass. Animal Structure your raging jealousy at being denied guild membership hurts I know but seriously....you are a bit of a bell end.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:15 p.m. CST

    it would be something

    by INWOsuxRED

    if other American workers would actually fight for their rights. Maybe if Walmart workers would unionize and strike, they wouldn't spend an extra hour a day at work stocking hot-pants and cream corn after they clock out because the assistant manager told them to.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Stop mentioning Cavemen

    by Siguy

    You people are amazing. "Those idiots who brought us Cavemen want more money." <br> What the hell are you talking about? Cavemen, like 90% of everything you hate, was not created by a writer. It was a series of commercials that a network executive decided to turn into a TV show. Then he hired a writer to make it, but Hollywood writers don't sit around dreaming up shit. The studios that you seem to think have a divine right to 99% of all profits come up with this shit and then pay some idiots a pittance to write it. So quit bringing up Cavemen and saying it's proof that hollywood writers suck and don't deserve more money. There's a lot of crap out there, but this idea that there's nothing but millionaire writers running around hollywood coming up with every piece of garbage you see is silly; the writers don't run hollywood, the studios do, you know, the people who you are for some reason worried will be bankrupt if they pay the writers an extra four cents.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Keep drinking the Kool-Aid Xiphos

    by F-1000

    Your arguments are so illogical as to be hysterically humorous. Yes the demand of the market (i.e. people willing to spend their money for goods) decides the VOLUME of money an industry will receive. Yet, it does not decide the DISTRIUBITION of that said money amongst those who participate in, conceive, manage, and manufacture the goods that industry produces. Quite obviously no industry can function as a cohesive whole without even one of its systems. Just as an organism can hardly function at all without even one of its many organs. Thus the idea of one sector of an industry being more valuable as a whole than another is simply an illusion created by human greed. In reality value is assigned to various tasks by "industry leaders" in the interest of keeping the status quo unless it serves to increase their own pay grade. The whole spiel of it being wrong to limit what the top echelon can make because it might trickle down to the "lesser worker" (not lesser in actuality) because, "someday you might be up here making as much as us"; Is nothing more than kool aid and they are happy the majority of you choose to drink of it. Because in all probability you will never reach their echelon and/or pay grade. They in fact, are counting on that. The truth they don't want the average worker to realize is that in any sector of industry nobody is irreplaceable. They want you to believe those abstract values assigned to your certain position, no matter what that position or value may be, as long as it keeps you from climbing that ladder another rung. If you feel replaceable, and you believe them not to be, you can keep working for little compared to them. And as it applies to the Motion Picture Industry, neither the studio heads, the writers, the producers, the actors, the grips, the sound people, or any cog in the machine is irreplaceable.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Christ...

    by vanchimera

    This is gonna really fuck up DVD sets. Fuck Hollywood.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:19 p.m. CST

    I support the strike, but actors have a seperate contract

    by s0nicdeathmonkey

    and it shows extreme bad faith to not fulfill that agreement. That said, actors who do extensive improv, like the cast of the office, do have a leg to stand on here.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Hey, is McWeeny on strike?

    by LHombreSiniestro

    Is he part of the guild or nah?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    AnimalStructure

    by Kasch

    You're talking out of your ass. If you had writer friends in the industry, you'd know how fucking difficult it is to actually do it. And if you really do know people and always get into "heated arguements over this shit", news flash, bucko: They're doing it, you're not. Writers are always on call and work incredibly long hours for insane deadlines, mostly working to the whims of producers and hoping that even a small percentage of their creativite input will make it into the final product. They have every right to complain when they're getting fucked out of their main source of revenue. Why don't you run off and try to be creative under obscene pressure then come back and tell me how you're not doing "real work?" Douchebag.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:25 p.m. CST

    *DISTRIBUTION

    by F-1000

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Yeah, like they aint paid a living wage...

    by Raymar

    We need to hire us some strikebreakers like they had in the 20's. Crack some skulls and Tina Fey will fall back in line...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:27 p.m. CST

    What's that writers? I didn't hear you...

    by ZeroCorpse

    Seeing as I just did a 10-hour shift as a retail bookseller, shelving thousands of pounds of books, wearing my fingers down peeling stickers off of old sale items, listening to my knees creak every time I crawl to the bottom shelf or climb the ladder to the top for whining customers, inhaling the flu-breath of every sick, stupid motherfucker who goes shopping when they should stay home, and dealing with holiday customers who range from very pleasant to fucking insane and rude... All for something that isn't all that far from minimum wage when you compared to what you're making. <p> But by all means, you keep striking. Maybe you can add a clause to your contract that guarantees lattes will be delivered to you on a silver platter by naked, well-muscled slaves. <p> Me? I've got to go in to work tomorrow night (my day off) and move an entire holiday kiosk (which includes a few thousand pounds of metal, wood, and merchandise) because some schmuck gave us the wrong lot designation. Since you're all out of work for the time being, how'd you like to come and help me out? I was going to sit at home and write, but I've got bills to pay and can't get paid for writing like some people. <p> Keep looking that gift horse in the mouth, guys. The rest of us admire your work, but can't really sympathize with your angst. We're all busting our balls in jobs that make yours look like a vacation, and getting paid a LOT less to do it.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Kasch

    by F-1000

    I would agree with you, except this argument between the WGA and producers isn't about their main source of revenue (which should be higher, along with the pay of everyone in the motion industry outside of studio heads, actors and producers), but residuals.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Once again, those saying writers are greedy...

    by Siguy

    Why do you automatically side with the corporation?<br><br> When you say the writers have "taken away my entertainment," why don't you instead think "the studios have fucked up my entertainment by refusing to pay their writers."<br><br> You the viewer and the studio decide what gets made by what you watch. Every year writers are gonna propose hundreds of TV series, probably many of them interesting and cool. Then those will be wittled down to four or five absolutely shitty, hack-fests that you now decry. You can't say "Oh 90% of all the writers suck." How do you know that? Why blame ALL writers when it's the studios that decide whose shows get made? They're the ones consistently choosing crap over quality.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST

    So we've decided here that

    by Larry of Arabia

    Writers should walk up to the studios and say "Oh sir, please film my script. I spent two years on it. No, No, I don't want money. Here, take all the money it will make. It's a privilege to do this for you. In fact, I'll stay in that room over there and write 22 more of these for you. God bless you." Not only that, most of the Talkbackers can write better scripts, as evidenced by the loads of high quality fan fic and unpublished spec scripts on the net. Makes sense to me.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Residuals

    by Kasch

    Sadly, because of the meager pay for most writers, their main source of income is residuals. That was all fine and dandy, but now that syndication is dying and the studios are switching to internet distribution and refusing to pony up a measly percent of their profits, then that is extremely damaging.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Shut the fuck up ZeroCorpse and

    by underscore_only

    others of your ilk. You're all idiots. Say what you will about unions or the quality of TV or things like that, but all of this crap you spew about "boohoo, writers, I work harder, blah blah" sounds like jealous bitching. I'm sure those writers have worked hard at crap jobs, and I'm sure they work hard right now for their work. I've done office work, call centres, construction, woodworking, retail, you name it. All of them are hard in their own way. I don't give a shit whether you think you work harder than they do, they deserve to be paid for what they do. Assholes.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Theres a difference between good and well-paid writers

    by TheSecondQuest

    Just because some writer isn't getting top-dollar doesn't mean he's not a good writer. We've had tons of great shows and films that, for one reason or another, didn't succeed. Writers need to be able to make enoguh money to live on in regions of the country that have a very high cost of living, so that they'll be able to do their craft- some do get up to the big leagues, most do not. And why should successful writers on shows like The Office, etc strike? It's suppoting everytone, including writers who are paid less who are in the exact same position people like Tina Fey and Steve Carell were in a few years ago. If you can't survive down there with what your paid (whcih could be a once-a-year thing in some cases, if not less), a writer will never be able to give us the bigger league stuff we crave cause he won't have the chance to get tehre.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST

    ZEROCORPSE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Maybe bookstore workers should unionize and demand better pay. Just a thought!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST

    As for other works like stage hands and such...

    by Deathpool

    The Teamsters Unions in Hollywood are in favor of the strike as well. Anyone with half a brain will realize what is being done is wrong. And no, a lot of them didn't 'know what they were getting into', considering that digital distribution is a relatively new enterprise, and they fact the writers get NO percentage of the profits from them is a crime. I see a lot of people crying because it stops them from getting new Office or Heroes episodes or whatever. Honestly, for once in your life, think of someone but yourself.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Hechtal

    by Kasch

    Spoken like someone who knows piss-all about how this industry works. If you did, you'd know that this strike isn't about perks, it's about giving these industry workers what they need to survive. Most of these people don't make Tina Fey and Steve Carrell money. Unless you're an industry big-wig, you have to work your ass off to survive...like anyone else on a movie set.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    I think it's because people don't like Unions

    by Larry of Arabia

    Which I don't understand. Sure they aren't the greatest thing, but if you like capitalism you like unions. In essence, a group of people who provide a service get together and negotiates terms so they can accumulate profit. Isn't the accumulation of profit capitalism? Why begrudge them that? It's not unlike a company, that provides a service and sets the terms at which that service will be provided. If you don't want to pay you don't get that service. The studios don't want to pay, they don't get writers just like if you don't want to pay for an HDTV you don't get an HDTV. The difference is that they can negotiate for writers. You usually can't negotiate for your HDTV. So then... what's the issue?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:42 p.m. CST

    I disagree with the idea that

    by NoodlesHahn

    just because you enjoy the work you do in your chosen profession, your employer has the right to screw you over.<br><br>I also disagree with the idea that only workers who do physical labor are allowed to strike.<br><br>I think these are reasonable point.<br><br>Obviously most writers can't and shouldn't try to sustain themselves on the money they make from writing. Obviously they should have an understanding of the business they're getting into. But if they are being cheated out of a nickel they have a right to fight for that nickel. That nickel means a lot more to a struggling writer than it does to a producer. You're setting an awful precedent if you're saying it's okay for employers to cheat their employees if said employees enjoy the work they do.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Tim Kring DID do the rewrite...

    by Iceberg3

    according to the news article at: http://www.hdnews.net/Story/p0775_BC_HollywoodLabor_Option_11_05_1239 "Tim Kring, a producer and writer of the NBC hit "Heroes," joined about a dozen writers on a picket line in an effort to shut down the show. "It's very surreal," he said. Kring said he had to revise the ending of the 11th episode of "Heroes" on the chance that it might be the last one to air this season. "Fortunately we were able to hustle back," he said. "The audience won't be left in a lurch."

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Union, Union, Union, Union....

    by rsswope

    I remember the last one, I was in Colege but I think it happened during the summer and the new series were not so screwed, just a VERY extended summer of reruns. But this if the big wigs do not bargain they are gonna be SCREWED.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Unions are Over

    by jjwspider

    I think that the time for the Union are quickly coming to an end. How much more would the writer's be paid if they were signed to an exclusive contract by a company or if Hollywood began paying for the scripts prepared vs the system in place now. At what point does it not become profitable enough for a company to even bother with scripted television or limit the budget for these shows. If you cripple the industry your working in you may lead to the potential that to much damage is done and fewer jobs are open as a result. So we now have two questions: How long before the tax payers are picking up the writers food stamps and unemployment earnings? and When does Hollywood begin to outsource their script writing chores overseas?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Hechtal

    by Kasch

    "Dur...writers make money when they're good." Oh, is that how it works? Wow! Wish we all lived in the fantasy world inside your dopey head. Do you even know what the word "pretentious" means anyway? Oh, and try to get a second job when you're running off a full of weekend of no sleep trying to finish rewrites from the latest round of studio notes before cameras roll on Monday morning...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST

    How much were they asking for in Digital Distribution profits?

    by Deathpool

    Like 2.5%, right? So if you bought an episode of Heroes off amazon like I did once for $2.00, the writers of that particular episode would have to split a whopping 5 cents. That's what the studios are butthurt over, giving a miniscule chunk of change to those who deserve it.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Fine Not cavemen, That show Aliens in America

    by Pipple

    And every other retarded show on now... Strike when you've got more quality shows on the air, writers...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Tell you what---

    by ZeroCorpse

    If Steve Carell and Tina Fey have it so hard not getting those residuals, I would be HAPPY to trade places with them. They can come do my job, managing a bookstore for peanuts and dealing with customers, and I'll try to suffer with their paycheck-- even without the residuals-- for doing exactly what they do, with the amount of support they get when doing it. <p> "They deserve to be paid for what they do" -- Yeah, and they ARE paid. They sell a script, and they cash some SERIOUS checks. What they're saying here is "The studios found a way to make more money off the project I worked on, and I want a piece of that pie, too." -- Nevermind that you've already been paid for the job (writing the script), but now you want a paycheck every time they put it on a different form of media? <p> I don't know how it is for other people, but when I get paid for a job, there's no option for me to get a second paycheck for the same job just because it's later found to be more far-reaching than initially believed. <p> And for the record, I am a writer and a musician. A paid one. I've been published, and the understanding is that once the publisher buys my work, they can reprint it in whatever format they desire-- I already got paid for it when they bought it. I'm not famous enough to get a sweet royalty deal, so like most non-famous artists who just want to be paid for their art, I have to take a freelance, work-for-hire deal. Frankly, I'd be THRILLED if something of mine made more money for the publisher than originally expected-- because that means my NEXT project could be a lot better for my pocketbook. <p> I'm sorry, but if NBC slaps old episodes of Knight Rider on iTunes, that doesn't mean that the writers who penned those scripts 25 years ago should automatically get another payday-- Unless they specifically worked out a royalty deal that allows those kinds of residuals. <p> Again-- I'll gladly trade situations with ANY writer working on a television show. I'll even take a PAY CUT from what they're making, and it will probably still be more than what I can make in any other job. I respect them, but they really need to see that what they do, and the amount they already get paid, is pretty fucking awesome. There are millions of talented writers who would love to just make what we're making now in our normal jobs, but for writing. <p> As it stands, you can either get the big bucks as a writer, or not get paid at all. There doesn't seem to be very much in-between. Show me a writer's guild member who works for minimum wage. They. Don't. Exist.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Not all that shocking that the Office cast would support the str

    by JiveTalker

    ...given that half their cast members are also writers (and/or producers) on the show as well: Carrell, Kaling, Novak, Lieberstein. I mean it's very cool the others supported them, but c'mon, what else are they gonna do? You can't exactly do a show without Michael, Ryan, Toby, or Kelly, et al.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST

    This is why I watch porn

    by Turd Furgeson

    Same script every time, he eats her box, she blows him, he nails her in 4 different positions and for the grand finale, hollows out her asshole then blows a load in her face.. Same script every time.... www.redtube.com here i come.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:18 p.m. CST

    ZeroCorpse

    by NoodlesHahn

    We don't live in a vacuum. Not every industry is equal to each other. Just because the entertainment industry is as big as it is and just because writers get to do what they they are truly passionate about doesn't mean that they should be cheated out of what they earn.<br><br>Residuals are a part of the business, it IS part of the deal. The question is how they apply to new media. The WGA says it does, producers say otherwise and are trying to weasel their way out of giving up miniscule amounts of money.<br><br>It would be awesome if you were paid more for the hard work you do, I had a similar job in retail. It would be awesome if teachers got paid more and public servants, etc, etc. But the industries are just different and that's just the way it is. Writers are trying to get a tiny piece of a huge pie and that tiny piece is larger than the entire pies of other industries. That's just the way it is. They are still entitled to that piece.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST

    writers and work

    by GrndlWnderer

    I have always found this arugment between money and talent (thats the disticntion) to be truly sad. Those who have the money will say, without my money, you won't get anything produced, so I am more important. Those with talent, will say without my talent, you won't have anything to produce. Both are right, and both are wrong. Rarely, if ever does talent have the money or the skill to keep the money to produce, and just as rare does the money have the talent to create content. The two skillsets (except in rare instances) seem to be mutually exclusive. Generaly, I don't have much support for creative union strikes, as it always seems to be a power issue more than anything else. But this is a different issue. As pointed out earlier, this is not about pay scale, this is about pay for performance. The so-called new media is a goldmine, as it represents the only growing segement of the entertainment biz. The Studios want all of that profit ( which is projected to dwarf all other mediums combined) to themselves. The writers,actors,directors,etc... currently receive 0% of those profits. Now if a new revenue stream opens to the entertinment industry and it were my words that went on 'net and I did not receive renumeration for it, I would be very upset. It is only fair, my ideas, they make you money, you pay me residuals.Fair.That is how creative artists make money, residuals. And believe me, as I have a friend who wrote a couple of shows that made it to air, and I have seen his checks...it ain't a whole lot of cash. The show he wrote for is from the early nineties, ran a while, and is in regular syndication....I see his episodes about twice a year...and the checks are staggeringly small. So now, Netflix and others will be able to broadcast his shows on the net and he gets no payback on it...that strikes me as unfair and he has a right to complain, as that is how most writers make their living. And, as for a certain person on the talkback who is vocally against the writers strike. Please, back off. Whatever beef you have with creative types ( and from your posts you clearly have a beef with them not realted to this issue) please remember, a lot of money is made here, and not a lot of it goes to the creative types. Here, in this case, a new media is opening up, and the writers want to make sure they do not get excluded from this revenue stream. They seek to maintian a share in a new and possibly extremly profitable enviornment.Like all good capitialist ( and by the way, I am a good capitailist) they seek return on investment. I played at writing and acting a little in college,and still do for fun ( I am an IT TECHNICIAN), and believe me, writing good stuff aint easy. It takes time and effort, a lot of effort. I once was a writer on a local live comedy show, strictly amateur, ran for over two years...we even made about 10 bucks each a week. I spent all of my time not at work or in class writing or researching for the scripts. I had to be on top of every little local news bit, every national news, gossip, rumour and story I could. I had to be able to write a joke about some actor who got caught with his pants down, some politician who was trying to impeach someone for adultery, but his mistress rated him out. And this was just for a two-bit live comedy show that usually had maybe 50 to 100 people watching it. Now imagine you are on a nationaly syndicated show that has millions of people, and your jokes are what keep everyone in your studio from the caterer to the gaffer employeed, there is pressure and real work there. If you haven't done it, please trust me, it ain't easy. And if you have and it is easy for you...well damn you, you are one of the lucky few that it comes easy to, 'cuz it was always backbreaking soul sucking work for me to put what I had writen infront of people.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:29 p.m. CST

    I'm just glad the writers will finally be getting exercise

    by chrth

    Maybe they'll lose a few pounds picketing, maybe add an extra year or three to their lives.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Heh

    by Anton_Sirius

    Trolls like ZeroCorpse and AnimalStructure are funny. And by "funny" I mean "bitter, jealous fucktards." Rail away at the striking writers all your want, mouth breathers. You'd sell your mothers and your withered, unused testicles to be on a picket line with them right now.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:37 p.m. CST

    There are a lot of fucking idiots in this TB

    by WWBD

    it needed to be said. Go WGA.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Can we get a list of shows & strike

    by jbs0209

    Can we get a list of shows and how many episodes they have in the can before the strike?<p> Specifically, how will this affect my beloved Dexter?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    The problem is that all of you are capitalists

    by chrth

    Both sides of the argument. One side is saying "They should get their due!" the other side is saying "They should be thankful they have jobs!" etc etc.<p> Take money entirely out of the equation. Then you'll see who's right in this argument.<p> Me. Kring/NBC, call me baby, we'll do lunch.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:42 p.m. CST

    The Simpsons has done everything anyway

    by Pipple

    Therefore this strike is futile.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Differences in Media

    by jjwspider

    GrndlWnderer brings up an interesting point about the airings but at the same time other media typically don't include any extra payments for additional printings/pressings. For instance, if you create a concept in the comic industry - you are typically credited as the creator and may be paid a royalty fee. However, if you're simply writing pre-established characters or are tapped to write a concept that created by someone else, the company has no obligation to re-pay you for the work that has already been done. If Hollywood adopted a similar system then one could easily see the new concepts from the older ones and maybe even an increase in original ideas.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Take money out of the equation?

    by Holodigm

    What are you talking about? This whole thing is about money. Remove the money from the equation and you have no equation.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Holodigm: You are closer to reach zen

    by chrth

    The next step: Chant "I don't believe in Zimmerman" ... enlightenment will come.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Mr Saxon

    by Shivv

    There are probably thousands of people who would be willing to write under that arrangement. It's too bad that the studios won't hire them or at least threaten to hire them to end the strike

  • I got high-speed Internet and everything, Hollywood.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Good Message

    by WhiteyFord

    With giant shows shutting down left and right the producers cant really expect to keep this up. Not giving in within the next few weeks could cripple a lot of studios. So lets hope this ends tomorrow.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:58 p.m. CST

    PAY. THE FUCKING. WRITERS.

    by DOGSOUP

    Jesus Titty Fuck! Writers, don't work until you get paid. I don't care how long it takes or what shows suffer.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    This has Don Music written all over it!

    by RetroActive

    Oh, I'll never get it! Never!!! (Slam face on piano keys). What a joke. Money makers striking. It's ridiculous.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    hey, animalstructure

    by necgray

    The next time a ditch digger pays $50,000 a year for 4-6 years to get an education so he can do his job properly, you let me know. Oh, and when that ditch digger is told that the only ditch that will actually support him is located in one or two cities in the entire Unites States, a ditch that costs him $1200 a month live near, you let me know. Or hey, when that ditch digger's employer tells him that the ditch he just dug is classified under a different zoning law as not a ditch so he doesn't get paid for digging, you let me know. How many other ways can I put this? And if the world worked according to YOUR apparent standards, novelists, painters, teachers, scientists, shit ANYONE who doesn't "sweat" for their job wouldn't get paid. Bullshit. Go form an island community where you and your friends can farm and barter all day long.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11 p.m. CST

    "hole up in a shack in the woods"

    by chrth

    I was going to do that, but then my glasses broke. It wasn't fair! There was going to be time!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST

    OMG!! its really happening!

    by dr.bulber

    I just ate my boyfriend's brains. whats happening to me? I think...think... it tasted pretty good. I want... to go to the mall. go to mall and eat more brains yum. brains.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:06 p.m. CST

    wow you turned Steve Carrell into an asshole

    by zooch

    no easy feat.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by jjwspider

    If they shacked up with their large tome of books - wouldn't these have been written by a writer?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST

    jjwspider: Not by one in a union

    by chrth

    Well, I mean, ok, maybe, like a member of the teamsters or something when he got his big break, but there is no union for the authors of books (at least in the US, can't vouch for other soils)

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST

    I'D HIRE ANIMALSTRUCTURE OVER ANYONE ELSE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Come work for me Animal, I can pay you half what I pay the Mexicans and I'll even throw in a dirty water dog for lunch.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:23 p.m. CST

    F-1000

    by HillaryLovesMe

    A cutesy philosophy, but let me fix it for you. (Payment not necessary; this one's free.) No, no one is really "irreplaceable". But some are more -replaceable- than others. Losing the unique skills of Julio the floor-sweeper is not as big of a loss to the corporation as would be losing the unique skills of Craig the chief financial officer. To be quite honest (which you are unable to do, being mired in wishful thinking), changing floor-sweepers will not significantly affect a corporation's fortunes -- if it makes an affect at all. Okay, the corp might lose 0.0024%, because Julio's whimsical personality as he made his rounds during closing time made the folks in Accounting that much more productive. But that's not really something to make Julio feel like he's absolutely indispensable to his employers. He's really not, practically speaking. The corporation will survive his departure and replacement with nary a shiver or twitch in its operations. This is why he doesn't get paid as much as the executives. He's not financially worth as much. His worth as a human being is inestimable, but his worth as an employee is very much tangible. Julio can demand an executive-level $5 million a year for his (lol) "irreplaceable" floor-sweeping services, but that philosophy won't get a lot of sympathy from his employers. They're bound to say, "Okay, Julio, show us how keeping our floors clean will net us five million dollars this year." I'm sure you can come up with a hilarious answer for him, but not one that will keep him from promptly being un-irreplaced.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:25 p.m. CST

    ANIMALSTRUCTURE RUNNING OFF AT THE MOUTH REMINDS ME

    by BringingSexyBack

    of this ese. <p> http://tinyurl.com/2ep6k6

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Rainbow Trout

    by mike honcho

    It's sort of lame that you're ripping on James Gunn. Sure, he wrote the Scooby-Doo flicks (which I haven't seen), but he also penned the awesome Dawn of the Dead remake. Not only that, he also both wrote and directed Slither, one of last year's best horror flicks.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:54 p.m. CST

    by IGoToCollege

    D. Vader, you're a hypocrite. The programs and movies you watch would not exist without corporations and producers who prove massive amounts of funding for startup, so "[s]crew you for calling those responsible for creating the entertainment *you* enjoy "scum", "greedy fucks", and any other derogatory term. Turn off your tv, stop going to the movies, end your Netflix subscription, and go hole up in a shack in the woods with a large tome of books." The writers can "just shut the fuck up with [their] pitiful whining. Bite the hand that feeds indeed." The people that are bitter are those in favor of redistribution of wealth. The jealous ones are those that are pissed that they're not making the amount of money corporate heads are. If you don't believe in corporatization stop going to McDonald's, Wal-Mart, and any other corporate entity. Until then, you have no right to speak. Try telling people supporting their family working 15 hour shifts in blue collar jobs (or even the people that work the sets in Hollywood) how hard the writers have it, and they'll laugh in your face, you elitist son of a bitch.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 12:01 a.m. CST

    my new show idea

    by LarryTheCableGuy

    don't steal it. its called 'those crazy picketers' and it could star everybody picketing and looking stupid. with big dumb signs and chanting stupid rhymes.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 12:16 a.m. CST

    I'm ready for this to take forever

    by Purgatori

    I just discovered the entire A-Team series on Netflix watch it now and the entire Buck Rogers series and a shit load of other stuff. Bring it on.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 12:54 a.m. CST

    THE PEOPLE BITCHING ABOUT THE WRITERS

    by BringingSexyBack

    have no clue about intellectual property, art and invention. Royalties are an INCENTIVE for continued invention, innovation, and creativity. Why do you think the U.S. created the copyright and patent processes, and lead the world in artistic and scientific innovation? You would think some of these so-called free market cheerleaders would appreciate that, but it seems the only thing they appreciate is watching people get screwed by corporations, for some unfathomable reason.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 12:55 a.m. CST

    doesn't anyone get that Carell and Fey

    by oisin5199

    aren't the ones that are benefitting most from this. If anything, they're striking as a symbolic gesture to support the middle class writers. They know they already make the big bucks, but there's a little thing called solidarity. That's why they're making such a big deal about their visibility.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 1:06 a.m. CST

    WOW!!! I mean like, HOLY SHIT there are some dumb motherfuckers

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    Most writers get paid squat and are lucky to receive credit for the work they do. If some of you gripey cunts work long hard hours for very little money then you might be being underpaid or perhaps you're simply underskilled. In which case train up, change industries or quit complaining. If you're a frustrated writer don't take it out on those who do the work you can't. Writers write, they earn their title and they earn their, often measly, compensation. producers seem to think that buying a script is like buying a fruit tree but it's not. We grow the trees, plant them and tend them, we're expected to be on hand to fix the tree under all circumstances, it might be their orchard but they're our fucking trees. The WGA is only demanding that the studios allow writers a slight increase in their harvest of the fruits of our labour.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 1:19 a.m. CST

    This is kinda epic

    by MetiphisLabs

    When all these titans of creativity band together. Awesome.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Credibility

    by DaKnifeOrDaGun

    When the actors joined the writers on the picket line it gives credibility to the fight. Besides, as great an actor may be , it's the writer that makes them magnificent. They know where their bread is buttered. Jeez now that the writers are on strike the porn industry must be devestated..LOL. Who's gonna be there to write those one page scripts. Hahahahahaaa.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Dental Plan!!

    by buffywrestling

    Lisa needs braces.R

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 2:09 a.m. CST

    I feel bad for the writers who don't make shit and have to suffe

    by Kirbymanly

    ... because someone who already makes 200,000 a year needs more money. Coal Miner, Nurse strike...I'm all for. They all make roughly the same amount of money and the union can care for them during the strike.... but come on! There's those of us who are members and don't make SHIT and are only in it for the health care. So basically, its the Commercial SAG strike of 2000 all over again. We make 80 grand a year and want more money for doing what we love!

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 2:37 a.m. CST

    The writers keep this world entertained so...

    by workshed

    ...pay them what they fucking demand. Fucking networks. Nice to see that there is still a modicum of solidarity in Tinseltown.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 3:05 a.m. CST

    I don't like to make sweeping blanket statements...

    by DarqueGuy

    But, seriously, if you think that the writers are being greedy then you are quite honestly the biggest douche on the planet. I don't know if you're a failed screenwriter or think that scripts for television and movies are found magically under studio exec's pillows everytime they date-rape a starlet or just lack the common sense that God even bestowed upon the writers of "According to Jim," but make no mistake...welcome to Douchetown, population you, asshole.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 3:06 a.m. CST

    This is gonna get a whole lot uglier before it gets any better..

    by Cheif Brody

    The last strike, back in 1988, lasted 22 weeks and cost the entertainment industry $500 million. That's '88 dollars, btw. Back then, the argument was primarily over residuals on syndication rights...back before the internet, Amazon, iTunes, etc. And way before anyone in Hollywood thought we'd be interested in BUYING entire seasons of TV episodes to collect dust on our mantles. Back in '88...you had Blockbuster renting only VHS theatrical films...and the odd Jane Fonda workout tape. The writer's could not foresee these "new media" outlets popping up...or the network's interest in wringing every last drop out of their beloved series utilizing today's technology. Now, in 2007, the WGA is addressing these new outlets the networks are making a killing on. IF YOU ARE FOR THE WRITERS: You realize that syndication of the shows they work on are only a fraction of what they are entitled to monetarily. That DVD sales, and downloaded internet viewing has become a large part of how their hard work is being enjoyed by the world viewing public. You think they are entitled to a percentage of these "new" profits the networks/production companies are making. IF YOU ARE FOR THE NETWORKS: You think the writers are not entitled to the redistribution of their work via their own websites and distribution deals with various content providers like Amazon and iTunes. You feel the writers should only be compensated for the initial broadcast run and a small percentage of residuals in the syndication of their shows to local markets. You feel that, by striking, the writers are only hurting themselves & the fans of their shows they strive so hard to please...and are only biting the very hands that feed them in doing so. In my opinion, the writers are in the right here. They are not fortune tellers...they can't see what new technological advances will change the landscape of how the TV medium will be distributed...and how new income streams for the products they help to produce will ultimately end up benefitting the networks. But enough has changed in the last 20 years to warrant this extreme stance. If the networks won't budge, and the writers lose THIS round...there's no telling how much they'll give up their rights to 15 - 20 more years down the road...when the networks are capable of beaming TV shows directly into our brains by some, as yet, uninvented technology. I applaud the stars of the shows for not crossing the picket lines in support of the people who put the jokes and the heart wrenching dramatic speeches into their character's mouths each week. Yes, Steve Carrell is a funny guy...but Michael Scott is nothing without the writers telling him what he is going to say or do next. All I know is, if this goes on for 22 weeks...I'd hate to see the '07 -'08 dollar losses the entertainment industry will have to endure. Godspeed WGA.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 3:41 a.m. CST

    I'm no writer

    by Harold The Great

    (well, copywriter, but that's different animal) but if I was, this single talkback would teach me to hate my audiance - at least the part of them who declares themselves "fans" and go on the internet. What a bunch of whiney, jelous, good for nothing asswipes. No wonder people are not producing TV-shows and movies to you. Some of you guys don't deserve shit, but demand everything. Get a fucking backbone, it may help you to crawl out of the goddamn basement, and earn some kind of real living. I hope they settle soon though. I don't want to see Dexter come to a halt.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Can't even imagine...

    by Mastidon

    My hat is off to the writers. I hope you guys pull it off and the studio caves. As somebody who writes in his spare time, I can not imagine the pressure you guys are under to turn out quality in such short periods of time - not to mention the fact that there is so much downtime with no pay. It takes real guts to stand up to the studio especially at the start of the holiday season. My only request to you is don't forget about the guys who have it even worse, the sound guys and other engineers who turn your ideas into a reality. They will have it really hard this year.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 4:53 a.m. CST

    Go writers

    by meatygoodness

    The real talent behind film & TV. If the studios are so worried about this, i'm surprised they don't just renegotiate the sale price of online content to increase it by a cent or two. That's the real American way of doing things. The people arguing against this don't seem to understand - it's not about "not getting paid" - it's about people less deserving getting the writer's residual earnings. In the end, someone will just end up getting fisted. I want to say it'll be Tina Fey, but it'll probably be the consumer.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 4:54 a.m. CST

    already bored

    by Napoleon Park

    I like TV, love TV, am addicted to TV, sometimes do the watch a while taping B and see 5-6 hours of TV @ evening. I fully support the writers and hope they get their cut of DVD sale and rental, download and internet streaming profits. And I've followed the news about this strike at Mark Evanier's NewsFromME for what seems like months.<p>Now I'm bored and don't care. Seriously, if there anyone here who doesn't have an internet connection, shelves stacked with movies and TV shows on tape or Disc, albums, cassettes, CDs, boxes full of old comic books and magazines, bookcases packed with hardcover and paperback books and graphic novels, piles of unread magazines, and who haven't been bemoaning the lack of free time to actually sit down and write, draw or paint something or do some major house-cleaning or yard work? <p> Pull the plug, disconnect the cable, tear down the satellite dish. when the strike is over everyone involved will discover that a portion of their audience has moved on and can get along fine without them.<p>[I haven't been to a movie theater since "Rocketeer" so the screenwriters strike totally doesn't affect me.)

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 5:02 a.m. CST

    i have chosen to go with the writers and here's why...

    by Judge Briggs

    they write the shows... and deserve money

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 5:05 a.m. CST

    Save Scrubs!

    by MMacKK

    I'm adamant about this one. Even if the Season takes a year's break, still finish it as intended! http://tinyurl.com/33lcr7

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 5:19 a.m. CST

    ok so their on strike because they want more money right?

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    someone explain to me i know some things but not too much

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 5:28 a.m. CST

    and do they get payed alot anyway?

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    oh im so confused!

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 5:30 a.m. CST

    and will the strike affect big mommas house 3?

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    say it aint so!

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 5:54 a.m. CST

    I thought Jon Stewart didn't need writers!

    by FlandersBum

    ...since he's just so super smarmy and smart! You mean to say he's just another empty talking head who needs writers to write the words that come out of his mouth? Can't be!!! I mean, he's America's smartest commentator!

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 6:28 a.m. CST

    No unions =

    by Lingerdog

    No strike. If it weren't for the fact that the actors have their own union and directors there own, the strike wouldn't hold water because they would just hire someone else to come in and do the writing. I don't understand why someone would want to be in a union, using the protection of the other members to be heavy handed in negotiations. Were there no union, the individual would be free to negotiate one on one. Say I wrote a movie script, I would not care about residuals, I would sell my script for x amount of money, they either take it or leave it. If they take it and it makes money/ gets awards, the next one is going to cost them more, kind of like how authors do. It's an individual agreement and the work has to stand on it's own, or no one will pay you to write anything else. It would force you to be at your creative best in order to assure yourself of bigger and bigger paydays. That is missing now, writers can be lazy, once a show is made, even if it is a bad show, they want to get paid into perpetuity. The should negotiate in a punishment for when people write crap, that is either not funny, or not interesting, ie. the current run of heroes new characters,like the doom twins, whoever thought them up and inserted them in the series should have to pay me to watch that.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 6:42 a.m. CST

    "Were there no union, the individual would be free to negotiate

    by BringingSexyBack

    That might be in some cases, but if not for unions, boss'll tell ya to clean the dogshit off his shoes or you'd get fired. What are you going to sue for? Unjustified dogshit removal duty?

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Book authors can negotiate directly with publishers

    by BringingSexyBack

    because they negotiate the royalty rate (and the associated advance) per work. Or, in the case of established authors, on a number of books, perhaps up to 4 or 5. In the vast majority of cases, the author has an agent to negotiate on his/her behalf, and will shop the author around several publishers to get the best terms possible. That's how that works. The agent receives a percentage-based commission on the author's earnings.<p> I know less about staff and long-term freelance writers, but I do know the compensation is probably part-salary (low of course) + residuals, a royalty of sorts for creating the work. It is actually mutually beneficial for studios and writers to have blanket terms by negotiating with the union. In cases involving high-powered writers (like Fey or Abrams), they could likely negotiate far higher residuals than other writers and the studios would make less money. If these writers adhere to terms negotiated by the WGA, the studios are actually profiting more.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 6:52 a.m. CST

    BSB: Union membership in this nation is 12% (in 2006)

    by chrth

    Are you telling me that 88% of this nation's workers are being asked to clean the dogshit off of the boss' shoes?

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 6:55 a.m. CST

    John and Jenna are scabs?

    by otto maddox

    No way!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Vid's?

    by Dazzler69

    I would not mind to see some pap vids on this strike.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 7:02 a.m. CST

    CHRTH

    by BringingSexyBack

    No, but those 12% would.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 7:09 a.m. CST

    CHRTH - ON A SERIOUS NOTE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Take the restaurant industry, for example. Restauranteurs have busted up every attempt by workers to unionize, and have always helped fellow restauranteurs to do so, too. The reason being that in the business, the status quo is that no one - front of house or back - has any job security, and verbal and emotional abuse is common and rampant. Workers, be they cooks or waiters, have come to accept that. That also explains why there's little to no job stability. Ask any restaurant worker how long they've been with their place, and if you can find someone working there longer than 2 years, I'd be surprised. Restauranteurs have taken advantage of people precisely because they do not have a union to back them. They raid their tips, make sexual advances, verbally abuse them, you name it. But it's an accepted practice that should not be, if only for the lack of unionization in the industry. And in this case, it's not necessarily about negotiating wages but standards.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 7:31 a.m. CST

    resturant industry

    by Lingerdog

    The fact is, no one has to work for these restaurants, if they treat enough people like crap, eventually they will run out of people to work for them and have to close. That is how workers dictate terms without a union, you don't do jobs that you aren't being paid to do. It has been my experience that the better restaurants are those where the workers are treated fairly and paid accordingly. I get great service at a local Mexican restaurant, and it seems to be because of how the owner treats his employees. Sure, it's possible he berates them behind closed doors, but of the staff, at least five of those working there have been there for five or more years and two Caucasians working there have been there for three years or so. The reason most people last such little time in the restaurant biz is because they are always looking for something better. That is how a union can hurt, it will pay people who are under qualified for a job and protect them from being fired, when in reality they are not good at that job and should be looking elsewhere for work, but with the added job security, they will be holding a job that there are better suited people out there for.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 7:47 a.m. CST

    LINGERDOG

    by BringingSexyBack

    We're not talking about unions preventing an employer from firing someone if they spit on a plate. We're talking about unjustified termination, someone who does a good job but is fired for the wrong reasons (rejecting sexual advances, being fired in favor of cheaper labor, etc.). We're talking about working conditions. And people work in the restaurant industry because they have to work - we'd rather they work than live on welfare. Of course there are restaurants run by smart people who know the value of treating your workers well, so they in turn treat the customer well. I think the owner of your Mexican restaurant falls in that category, but if you read a lot of the food/restaurant worker blogs, you'll see that he/she's more likely in the minority.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST

    I don't have a real issue with unions per se

    by chrth

    I just have an issue with what I consider 'white-collar' unions. I'm ok with unions whose purpose is to provide safe working environments for its people: coal miners, factory workers, truck drivers, etc. The problem with the 'white-collar' unions is that for the most part, their goal is wage standardization and job protection, and frankly, the libertarian in me has a problem with that.<p> Now, restaurants are iffy -- they're not a coal mine, but they're not a cube farm either. I could see how unionization might not be a bad idea there, but at the same time I'd be concerned with how the union was run. If all they cared about job protection, then you'd get some lousy food and service at the restaurants as incompetents wouldn't be fired and the competents would leave so they didn't have to deal with the incompetents any more. If the union was more concerned with environment, then that's ok. Although to be honest, stuff like sexual harassment is protected by the law, not every issue brought up requires a union to deal with.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Top hats and monocles

    by Harold The Great

    we can all enjoy wearing them.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Why The Writers Are On Strike

    by User EGO

    Here is a very concise explanation - http://tinyurl.com/39habn

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    I remember back in the early nineties

    by emeraldboy

    arnie the govenator tried to rally hollywood behind his campaign to control the copywright of characters on DVD. He believed that actors should be entitled to the revenue spin off from DVDS it had something to do with Character Coprywright control. If studios wanted to add dialoug as a part of DVD extras, Arnie believed that actors should have the final say. Studios got around this by having the cast chat about thier characters on the audio commentary part of DVDS on both tv and film. There was one example where this failed and that was that Cameron Diaz, Christina Applegate and selma blair movie from a few years ago called the Sweetest thing. In which they all but slated the director and the director slated them. Though arnie failed to get what he wanted, the issue never went away and now its the writers turn. There was a time when actors acted, directors directed and producers produced. and there were demarcation lines. that noone crossed. and they did, you have now ended up with a hell of a mess. Read anthony Holdens peerless account of the oscars. The Oscars, the secret history of Hollywood's Academy Awards. Anyone with even a passing interest in film should read it.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    As long as 24 is okay, it's all good.

    by Cotton McKnight

    And even then, it would be kind of cool to have a "cliffhanger" season. I think the time off would help the writers come up with some cool stuff.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    I think these writers just need...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...MORE COWBELL! The world would be a better place!

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Please finish this strike...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...by the time LOST airs in February. There aren't too many other shows that I can't live without!

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Poor things

    by ditkaman

    While I may agree in principal with some of the writers points, it's really difficult for me or the average person to pity a bunch of people who may have to retreat to their huge homes in the Hollywood Hills and take in a 5 star meal after a long day of picketing. Aside from movies, I am a huge sports fan, when the NHL went on strike and when NFL players threated it a few years back, all they managed to do was piss off their fans. At the end of the say it's everyone here that pays the writers to work at their craft. We're the ones that are going to see a lack of good product for a while and the only consequence for the writers will be more money and an extra wing on their huge houses. Sorry, no sympathy from me. Tell you what writers, if you've got it so rough, let's switch, ok? Come on over to NY and do my job for a while, I'll do yours.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST

    WAIT...

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    this means no more nip/tuck? FUCK season 5 started off good THIS FUCKIN SUCKS

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    When Writers strike do thier picket signs have anything written

    by Tripster2001

    Just curious.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    wait what about south park?

    by LarryTheCableGuy

    will that be affected?

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST

    I think I set

    by ditkaman

    a record for typos in my last post. That's what I get for "talking back" while I am at work!

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Help Bug Tuna

    by Chevron_Engaged

    Come on Big Tuna, help us out. I do not know what I will do without your little half smiles to the camera. Strikes suck. Whyc ouldnt they have done this during summer break

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST

    actually animalstructure...

    by I87D

    that's complete BS. in the creative world, there's a LONG standing tradition in books, plays, art, radio, music, etc. that if a company wants to continually exploit a work made by someone else, then they should rightfully compensate those people everytime they do so. This has noting to do with the credit arbitration process or how much studios overspend on marketing these days. Those things have nothing to do with the basic principles of authorship that are now in question... You sound awfully bitter about something... let me guess, you're a struggling screenwriter who isn't even in the guild because you have yet to write anything that anyone would want to read past page 3. No, I'm sorry, that was a low blow. Page 10. There.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Fuck the writers? FUCK THE STUDIO!

    by Saluki

    Dense motherfuckers on here. "Waaahhh, I work a hard job too, so you guys with the dream job should just shutup! Waaahhhh". You know what? FUCK. YOU. You don't create, you just do something any monkey with a thumb up their ass can do. That is why you are paid shit. You didn't organize, you just take it DAY after DAY. No one will ever listen to you. Writers want to leveled pay? Fuck THAT you say! I want instant gratification and corporate sluts to get all the cash! Wwwaaahhhh.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    to animalstructrure re writing is not work

    by mayorofsimpleton

    Writing is excruciatingly difficult and a huge fucking chore. Anyone who says writing is not work is someone who has never written. The writers, actors, tech people, all of them deserve money from new media like downloaded shows off iTunes. Fuck the executives. They are human garbage who never created anything in their lives and exist soley to get creative content or just any content for as little $ as possible. And they get paid handsomely for it. How about this? I'll say being a suit isn't work!

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    WWE will not be affected by striking

    by crayon

    seeing as how Vince and Stephanie have been hiring retarded chimpanzees for the past severl years to do the duties. I'm pretty sure they're part of no unions.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST

    this sucks

    by BLWiseass

    big time

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Perhaps

    by Chevron_Engaged

    Us fans should strike, just stop going to movies, stop watching TV. Then what would they do huh? Wait, then what would I do with my time. Enjoy the outdoors? I think not. Damn, I guess I will just have rto suffer through reality TV. Yikes

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    I'm for anything that destroys guilds and unions

    by vikingkitty

    If there was no guild, how would it affect production?

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Do you people not have anything but tv in your lives?

    by Reel American Hero

    I love getting my fix of The Office and Heroes everyweek, but I'm with the writers on this one. If the networks want to put their work available for us consumers in other media, the writers should be entitled to at least something, even if it is just .5 a download, as someone on here mentioned, that adds up to a decent sized check that helps the writers live, they're not the ones getting the $20 mil deals, usually they get the short end of the stick. They might not be working as inner city police officers or in factories but it's still pretty stressful work with re-writes and studio pressure and all that. They're entitled to what they're deserved to. And in the mean time while all this is going on, I don't know about the rest of you but I've got plenty of other entertainment sources than my tv. DVD's, books, video games, I'm currently hooked on Guitar Hero III myself, haven't watched much tv since I got it either. And on top of all this, real life aint so bad either. Tv's great, but it's not the end of the world if The Office doesn't come on next week.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Supporting the strike

    by zer0cool2k2

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  • Nov. 6, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    The honking is fucking ANNOYING.

    by Novaman5000

    Those of us who have to work on these lots can tell you. Oh yeah and the walking across the entrances makes getting into work in the morning a pain in the ass, too. 99.99% of the people annoyed by the noise have absolutely nothing to do with negotiations, so you're honking up the wrong tree.<p> I'm all for writers being adequately and properly compensated, but at the same time, the guilds can be bullies. They make it so hard for non-union writers to get work, which in turn makes it harder for non-union members to become part of the union, and so on.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    My thoughts.

    by digital_animator

    I'm surprised by the few people here who seem pissed that these writers aren't content to write, get an ok check, then bend over for a raping while millions upon millions are collected by other individuals based on the work they've done. (i'm happy it is a minority) Seriously why does anyone have a problem with a group of people trying to better there situation? Some people think just because "that's how it is" that's how it should be. Executives make Millions upon millions due to the work of these creative people. And they will continue to do so even if they meet 100% of what the writers are asking for. Yeah there are crappy writers, so what. There are crappy people in every position in every job that ever existed. Even bookstore shelf stockers. If they suck fewer people will buy there dvd and they'll make less royalties. If they suck it's the Producers who make 20 million or more at fault for hiring a sucky writer, not "writers". In many cases it's a producer who ruins stories by requesting rewrites to something that is doesn't need it. Some people are trying to use the argument that writers make "more money then I do" so therefore should be happy, which of course doesn't hold any water. I am in the entertainment industry. I am a 3D animator and work for a major studio. I love doing the work I do and make a decent living. That doesn't mean it shouldn't bother me when me and my team get a 2% to 3% raise while several of our Exec's get a 3-5 million in bonus the same year ontop of there Multi million $ salary. Do they deserve to get paid well? Of course. But there is a sad skewed view of personal worth in many industries. It's another case that the middle class folk believing if someone get's paid 20 million dollars, they are worth that. Writers are not overpaid. Writers don't live in million dollar mansions in the hollywood hills. 200k a year doesn't get you a manison in the hollywood hills. And that is more then most make. There are some, like Tina Fey, who has evolved from a writer to a writer/actress/executive producer, and is able to make an extremely great living. I respect her greatly for speaking out. As a producer this strike will never really benefit her, yet she is willing to stand up and support her roots. As is Jay Leno and Jon Stewart, both who serve as writers for there show. As far as unions, I'd like to believe that if there wasn't one then every writer could make there own deals for every script they write. But the truth is those with power will take advantage of people who love what they do and say if you don't take this deal i'll find other writers who will. And as we've read here there seems to be plenty of "writers" who are all ready to get on there knees for an oppurtunity. Good luck to them. As for me i'll take writers who have pride in there work and are willing to fight for there rights.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST

    fucking lazy writers

    by v1cious

    first Heroes, now this... they get paid at least $200,000.00 a year for doing something they love, and now they decide to get uppity? fuck you, nobody owes you shit. just sit down and shut up before some scab writers come in and replace your arrogant ass.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    From a Cheers & Frasier writer: his 19 cents worth

    by rockgolf

    Ken Levine has written some of the best television comedies ever. Here's what he says about the strike:<br> I got a cheque recently from American Airlines. A royalty check. For the past several years as part of their "inflight entertainment" American Airlines has been showing episodes of Cheers, M*A*S*H and Becker that I wrote along with episodes of Everybody Loves Raymond, Frasier and Dharma & Greg that I directed. Considering the number of flights and years I'd estimate they've shown my shows 10,000 times. My compensation for that: $0.19. That's right – 19 cents ... I figure at that rate, in 147 years I'll be able to buy one of their snack boxes.<br> An episode of Frasier I wrote is out on DVD. I make nothing. The script is included in a book. I make zilch. Soon you'll be able to download and watch it on your iPod or iPhone at IHOP. The only one who won't make money is "i".<cr> You can read his entire article at http://tinyurl.com/3cdtsk

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST

    So AnimalStructure, you "work" in a bookstore?

    by ripper t. jones

    And you call that "honest" labor? What's the hardest thing you do in a day? "Romance isle 4 next to How to". Pfft. An untrained chimp could do it in his sleep. In fact I will go as far as to say all bookstore managers are overpaid underworked loads who should be put out of work by Amazon. I mean a brick and mortar bookstore? Really? Pick up a fuckin broom.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    V1cious, v1cious, v1sious

    by rockgolf

    The day that studio execs decide they'll get paid nothing, show programs without ads, put out DVD's at the cost of blank discs, that's the day you can call writers greedy and say they should shut up. Additionally, the number of writers who earn anything approaching $200K/yr is insignificant. But just try to find even not-particularly-famous actors (say Minnie Driver or Dylan Baker) who don't get royalties.<br> So who should get those royalties? Widows or orphans?

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    This is a chess game

    by Curious_Jorge

    ...as far as the studios are concerned. The question isn't "if" but "when" they will cave. Part of the reason they probably let it come to this is to make it clear that any future demands for more money have to be hard-fought.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST

    EVERYONE WHO HATES THE WRITERS HATE CAPITALISM

    by BringingSexyBack

    Commie pinkos.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Didn't realize my rant was gonna be so long

    by digital_animator

    Sorry that was so long. Hard to tell how long the message i'm typing is in this little comment box. My Bad. :)

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    why doesn't hollywood just fire these bitches

    by Pipple

    Hire a whole new crop of fresh talent and start making shows that have some originality.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Fuck ALL'A you haters

    by Psynapse

    This is a serious and important issue to the LIVES of these people. ANYONE dissing the WGA and the writers needs to pack their shit and move to the nearest fascist shithole country pronto. Aaah...fuck you ya fuckin' fucks.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Tina Fey, Julia Louise Dreyfuss--

    by thegreatwhatzit

    Walking/picketing will give 'em something to do; nobody gives a shit about their series (least of all the public) which function only as filler. Little wonder that they're trying to milk the limelight. A privileged salary, regarding writers, should be evaluated by merit. Some deserve a raise, some should be shining shoes in the basement of Grand Central Station.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Stupid Frakin' Unions

    by sedai

    Hey writers... If you don't like your job, get a new one. I think the whole concept of using blackmail to force your hand is immoral. Trust me, my clients work me far harder and longer than I think is fair. But if I picketed their office, they'd fire my ass so fast I wouldn't know what hit me. Get over yourselves and get back to work like the rest of us, or change careers if you aren't happy.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    THE SHOE SHINERS AT GRAND CENTRAL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY

    by BringingSexyBack

    If you told them they can make 3 cents per DVD, they'd laugh at you.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST

    SEDAI - HAVE YOU NEVER ASKED FOR A RAISE IN YOUR LIFE?

    by BringingSexyBack

    If so, you can work for me. I'd love to hire you.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Just think, when (if) this gets resolved..

    by DarthFloyd

    Round 2. The Screen Actors Guild has their contract expire in 2008.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Hahaha, hire scab writers?

    by Saluki

    If you think people bitch about the quality of entertainment now, just wait. Just wait until you hire the snots writing on fanfiction.net.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    So will this strike be "Super Sized"?

    by Meglos

    Cuz if so, it's gonna drag in the second half. Tina Fey will probably drive Julia Louise Dreyfuss into a lake or somethin'...

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    I hope this strike goes on for over a year...

    by Sakurai

    That way all the idiots who are participating in this childish stunt will go bankrupt and lose their homes. This is NOT the way you get what you want. In 6 months people will start waking up and realizing they need a job. Sure the writers deserve more money. But this strike is affecting lots more people than them. THIS IS NOT MORALLY RIGHT. Its putting other people out of a job and hurting the economy. All these hollywood types rip on bush for "cowboy" diplomacy and dealing with extremes, when they are doing the exact thing in their own lives. Every time there is a strike like this, people are all giddy and excited at first. There is a reason why a writers strike hasnt happened since the 80's. Just wait awhile and the writers guild will start dropping their strict demands and will start compromising. The production companies (if they are smart) will just hold out until then. They are rich, they can still feed their kids at the end of the day. Some of these writers on strike cant go 6 months without a paycheck. Shame on all of you who romanticize about things like this. This is not a good thing. Its selfish. Practice what you preach hollywood. Sheesh.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    So the only people who can write worth a damn

    by Novaman5000

    are in the WGA already, Saluki? That's a pretty ridiculous assertion, don't you think?

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    If the strike lasts a year, every single show on television

    by Novaman5000

    will be killed. Think about it, the talent all moves on, the studios move on...<p> That would just fucking suck.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Count me in

    by RongoRongoMu

    I am going to write to ABC and encourage them to get a deal with the writers.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Bottomfeeders

    by tme2nsb

    Wow, the idiots really have come of the woodwork this afternoon in this talkback, haven't they?

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    If you're not a writer, then shut up.

    by tme2nsb

    Because people calling the WGA a bunch of whiners is uneducated. Most of these people are full of talent, but get almost nothing for all of the hard work they put in with their jobs.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    I put my money where my mouth is...

    by 5 by 5

    I don't watch TV. Every time I sample it to see if anything has improved I run into channel after channel of suckage. I rent or buy movies, goof around on the internet, and goof around on my 360. I totally control what I want to watch. I sure see a lot of movie-making business going overseas to Australia and New Zealand. If I were Hollywood-anything - including writers, I'd be more concerned about keeping productions costs down. But it's your right to strike, I suppose, if you feel that's the best negotiating tactic left to you. Good luck with that. I understand trying to work out the best deal you can, but I'm not terribly sympathetic considering the amount of crap out there.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    i put my money where my mouth is...

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    on dania ramirez's vagina!

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    BringSexyBack - Raises and Unions

    by sedai

    Yes, I have asked and received raises based on my INDIVIDUAL performance. If these folks weren't part of a union, they could individually ask for raises based on the quality of their work. Instead they are pigeonholed into a system that has to do all of their negotiation for them, through the immoral use of a blackmail system. For the record, I suspect the WGA deserves raises more than some other groups, I'm just opposed the the whole idea of unions in this day and age.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    BSB: You got it backwards

    by chrth

    Don't you know that Unions are the first step to the Communists taking over? There's a reason Mister Extraordinary was used to bust them up after the Great War.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Nah, BSB is ok

    by chrth

    Once you wipe the froth from his mouth, he's actually intelligent. It's getting past the froth that's the issue sometimes. (Trust me, I do not converse with trolls. If I'm responding to BSB, it's because I don't take him to be one)

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Some of you are seriously deluded

    by Jack Burton

    How is it right for the creator/writers of a show to not be paid residuals for the DVD and internet downloads? That is what this comes down to. The writers got screwed on this in the 80's and they are trying to rectify it as they damn well should. Yeah, the WGA has some messed up rules and practices but so does every other union. It's the nature of the game. If the studios weren't such greedy pricks and run entirely by lawyers you wouldn't need the unions, they are very much a necessary evil. And anyone that thinks the average writer is going home to their mansion every night has no idea of the cost of living in California and NY.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 3:31 p.m. CST

    What, so Desperate Housewifes actually has a writing staff?

    by Vesuvio

    I'm shocked, ladies and gentleman. I mean, gentleman.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    The writers weren't screwed

    by Shivv

    in the 80's. They took more money upfront in exchange for less money off the back-end.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    the avg. for writers is $30 grand/yr.

    by filmfanatic1

    Do your research, you guys who are bashing the writers' strike; I can't believe you'd defend the Corporate hacks who have been planning this for months, ordering reality shows for Jan. And you guys have the nerve to blame the majority of writers, who aren't making crap. DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    So wait.

    by TruPhan

    People are saying that writers don't deserve as much money as the directors, producers, and actors? Okay.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    With all those shows ceasing production

    by finky089

    maybe TV will end up a better place. The state of TV has gotten so shitty in the last decade that perhaps if all the shows got shut down and died on the vine it would eventually lead to a new crop of "better" shows? <p> Actually i guess not as long as the same industry people are still the ones making and producing the shows. Oh well, let the moron massess have their TV and TIVO it too. I'll enjoy books and a very few worthwhile movies each year.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    I still support the writers though

    by finky089

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 4:04 p.m. CST

    I'm totally with the writers on this one

    by Trader Groucho 2

    Glad to see they found some testicular fortitude.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Vesuvio

    by TruPhan

    Your joke is shockingly original. You should write more.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    LOL

    by SG7

    "The striking writers get paid a lot of money to begin with, so it is difficult to sympathize with their sad stories of not getting new media revenue. "<br><br>The famous ones at anyrate. There are legions of staff writers who make less than many of you, and who don't get dick for things like streaming presentations. They got totally screwed with DVD royalties. They ere told "DVDs are new, we don't know how it will turn out." and they caved and got the shaft. They will not make the same mistake twice. Those of you saying these are all just pampered rich people don't know squat about what writers make or the shady accounting the studios employ to ensure that EVERY SINGLE FUCKING SHOW appears, on paper, to make no money. There's a reason the cast of the original Trek had to sue Paramount. They claimed Trek didn't make any money so there was no royalites to share. This strike is spot on target and it is great that the folks who don't need to strike, those with the massive pay-checks are joining it. Do you really think the cast of The Office is joining the strike becuase they need the money? Fuck no. Same goes for every big name you see on the picket line. They're doing it becuase for every one of them there are dozens of writers who are not filthy rich. Royalties are what put food on the table for writers between jobs. Why should the studio continue to make money off their work but the writer not? The studios want to do what the music ganks did: re-define writing as "work for hire" and eliminate all royalities. That's totally bogus and y'all know it. As long as a property continues to make money the creative talent that made it possible should share in that success. Period.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    DENTAL PLAN!

    by ironic_name

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Jonas Grumpy

    by ironic_name

    is cool.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    So what's everbody reading tonight?

    by Pipple

    Me, I'm going to engross myself in a sherlock holmes mysteries... Oh how I love that dastardly Moriarty...

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Ain't It Cool News Book Club?

    by TruPhan

    "The main chararcter was...ashes? ...Angela?"

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Actor's worth

    by Blood T Cat

    Really $15.00-20.00 an hour. Tops. They should make less than plumbers. For writers and directors $25.00-30.00 an hour. No overtime. Everything should be cheaper and quicker without needless indulgence.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Just finished Q&A, now reading Egyptologist

    by chrth

    <nt>

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    by ironic_name

    <P>strike!

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    by ironic_name

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST

    TruPhan

    by Vesuvio

    Can't. Don't you see we're in the middle of a strike man? You dirty SCAB.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Pay the men, Hollywood

    by Vesuvio

    AnimalStructure, you're making no sense. Every single job is expected to pay more as one individual becomes better at it. If one day a hotdog vendor does not make those as tasty as the day before, should he pay back the buyer? If someone sucks at what he does, he simply runs out of business.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Fuck the Writers *and* the Studios

    by James Westfall

    They're both equally greedy and worthless. Same as a baseball strike, the only ones who really get the shaft are fans. Still though, I am enjoying the Commie civil war playing out now in Hollywood.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    animalstructure, I agree IF

    by necgray

    What you wrote before about selling something you wrote and no longer owning it I think applies IF you're contracted to write something specific. Let's say a producer wants to make a movie about an alien named Bulbus. He pays a writer to create a script about Bulbus that hits all the points the producer wants to hit. The writer is working on assignment and I agree shouldn't be paid for further use of that character because it was the producer who thought of it in the first place. It's his intellectual property. Where I disagree with you is in cases where a writer creates a story that is his/her own invention and therefore his/her own intellectual property. When a studio agrees to produce a film, they're renting the intellectual property. What the writers want here is to get a percentage of any profit made from electronic versions of their intellectual property. I don't see how that could possibly chap your ass.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Why don't EDITORS get residuals...

    by Batutta

    ...or DP's...SET BUILDERS...WARDROBE...GRIPS...GAFFERS! We all deserve a piece of the pie damnit! REVOLUTION!!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST

    To aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    by 5 by 5

    TMI

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    You just know the studios will eventually cave in...

    by TORTURE PWN1

    Do it already.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST

    sorry pieces of filth

    by mlsmithjr

    I hope nobody caves and these writers are out in their hallowed streets for months. They can afford it, the greedy bastards already make millions in a season. Fucking union scum.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Soap

    by NudeandAroused

    I think you will start to see movement on this issue when the soaps start going off air. Unions, by the way, are very important organizations that help and support workers.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 8:44 p.m. CST

    mlsmith

    by necgray

    "They can afford it, the greedy bastards..." I don't know if you've paid any attention at all to the TBs prior to your insipid little hissy fit, but most writers CAN'T afford it and they DON'T make millions. Pay fucking attention and read some fucking articles. christ you people...

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Re: Soap

    by Almega

    Unions can also be abused by workers to get more money for less work (I am not saying that that is the case in this scenario). So instead of saying that they are "very important" it would be more correct to state that they can sometimes be important.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Writers deserve respect

    by tme2nsb

    Where would actors be if writers wouldn't or didn't write what inspires actors to be talented?

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 10:20 p.m. CST

    I THINK MLSMITHJR WAS MOLESTED BY A UNION

    by BringingSexyBack

    That would explain his hate.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Why this strike just got a mountain-size uglier...

    by Pennsy

    http://tinyurl.com/2uarnt

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Pennsy...

    by Cheif Brody

    Thanks for that link. I'm amazed the writers were so willing to give up their rights to the DVD residuals so willingly, in exchange for a bigger cut in the internet download business. Looking at the "Seinfeld: The Complete Series" DVD box set selling for $235...or a single season going for $50 bucks...it would seem like that would be the more profitable route to go...rather than the pennies per download route. Maybe I'm wrong. I know if I wrote a script of an episode of Seinfeld...and saw the amount of money Castle Rock and Sony Pictures Home Entertainment was making off the sale of these things this Christmas...and I was getting zilch...I'd be pissed off and in a picket line, too. Especially if I was the guy who put the word "Festivus" in Kramer's mouth...and into the lexicon of popular culture. Sure...I know the box set weighs 40 pounds...and the production and marketing costs the studios and distributors a bundle...but c'mon...Yer tellin' me they're not gonna make that all back in the first 3 months after it's released? The studios have been gettin overpaid for too long. It's time the writer's tried to get their share. Without their great work...there would be no box set to sell.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 11:38 p.m. CST

    this strike proves even more

    by INWOsuxRED

    that the system for rating TV shows helps to ruin TV. No, the ratings system has nothing to do with the actual strike, but the strike does remind us of the flaws in the system. In theory, the strike ends, you just pick back up where you left off, finish your stories in a sensible and satisfying way as if nothing happened, etc. The networks won't do that because they need certain events to happen at certain times (sweeps), which are utterly meaningless and hurt shows creatively, which likely increases the dwindling ratings of network television. It is a stupid system that creates rushed storylines when they should build and filler episodes when there should be payoffs.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Cheers to the writers!

    by Boromir

    I know that this is an awful time of year to have to take such an action, but I wish them all the best. They deserve to be PAID--at the very least, in lieu in the respect they don't get for their all-important role in creating a huge chunk of pop culture. To those morons who think the writers are greedy: The studios want to be paid for content obtained via alternate channels--the whining about YouTube and BitTorrent, etc., has been constant and deafening. But while they want to be compensated for material distributed this way (material that obviously would not exist without the writers) they don't want to pay writers for wider distribution of their work? Unless you're a moron or a Scrooge, what's not to understand about this? The writers deserve to be paid fairly, period.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 4:07 a.m. CST

    ramma627,

    by raw_bean

    as I understand it Heroes 'Volume 2: Generations' was always going to end with that episode, and the remainder of the season was going to be a new 'volume' (the first season was Vol.1: Genesis). Presumably this change is just a tweak to adjust to the fact that rather than going straight from vol.2 to vol.3, there'll be a break and thus a more definitive and/or cliff-hanger-y ending.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 4:16 a.m. CST

    How residuals work...

    by OrbotCommander

    This is from an email that's currently being circulated and I've taken the liberty to copy and paste it here to possibly help those that have questions or comments about residuals. What Were Residuals, Daddy? by CHRIS KELLY Posted November 5, 2007 | 02:20 AM (EST) I don't expect a lot of popular support for the Writers Guild strike. (I don't expect most people to care one way or the other. Most people have problems of their own, and things to do, and Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare isn't going to play itself. (Or is it?)) Luckily, this isn't about popular support. It's collective bargaining, not a straw poll. If we writers do want more support, though, we should probably do a better job of explaining what a residual is. (If only to demonstrate our skills as professional communicators.) A residual is a deferred payment against the lifetime value of a script. It's not a bonus. That's why it's called a "residual." The word means "left over." It's the left over part of the compensation the author agrees to wait for. It's not money for nothing. The word for that is "commission." A residual isn't a handout or an allowance or Paris Hilton's trust fund. It's not a lottery payout, or alimony, or an annuity from a slip and fall accident at a casino. A residual is a deferred payment against the lifetime value of a script. It's not a perk. It's okay if you didn't know that. It's in the best interests of a lot of fairly large corporations that you don't. And it makes it easier to imagine that writers are asking for something workers don't deserve. Here's an actual "comment" I got last week, from an actual "commenter" just like you: "When an engineer develops a product for a company should the engineer receive compensation each time the company figures out a new market for the product or a new application for the product (?)" This is a fair question, but it employs a truly dunderheaded example. An engineer does receive additional compensation when a company finds a new application for the product he created. This is called "owning a patent." (I don't think even Rupert Murdoch wants to get rid of patents. Well, not yet.) "When the product loses money for the company should the engineer give back his salary?" Of course not. Because his product always retains its potential to create revenue. The capital gets used up. The idea isn't unthought. But now I'm nitpicking at an analogy that doesn't apply in the first place. "When a writer is paid for work on a show for the network that not only doesn't make money for the network on the Internet but doesn't make money for the network period, should the writer give back his pay to the network (?)" I appreciate that this is a rhetorical question. But it's ineffective, rhetorically, because the answer is no. The writer did her part. She wrote the episode. And in doing that, she created a product with a potential value, which is infinite. (Or, in the case of Seinfeld even more than that.) Because the episode can be shown an infinite number of times. (Or in the case of Seinfeld, even more than that.) Yes, and you're already saying, "But Seinfeld isn't your typical, run-of-the-mill sitcom. That's Two and Half Men." And I'm saying -- rudely, over you -- that I know it's not typical -- but I'm trying to explain that, technically, the potential value of a sit om -- any sitcom -- is infinite. I'm just using Seinfeld, because that's the example the New York Times would use. (The potential number of New York Times references to Seinfeld: Another good illustration of infinity.) An episode of a television show can produce revenue forever. Yes, most TV shows aren't Seinfeld. But each of the 180 episodes of Seinfeld -- a show that started without bankable stars or a high concept -- will make about ten million dollars in syndication. In real economic terms, every sitcom could be Seinfeld when the writer commences work. (Unless it has Nathan Lane in it.) What should a writer charge, then, for a script that could make $10 million dollars? A: I dunno. Nine million dollars? Gotta leave something for the actors. But what's a fair price to charge up front? A: Right now, we'll take $19,125. If it's a hit, you can pay us the rest later. I know! We'll call it a residual! Because writers understand that most shows aren't hits. Most shows lose all the studio's money and go straight down the toilet, like John Ridley's Barbershop. That's why, for decades and decades, the system has been that the writers take far less than they should be paid for a hit show, because there's no way of knowing if the show will be a hit or not. This is the "residual" difference in its value. If the show doesn't succeed -- for whatever reason (Nathan Lane) -- we don't get the rest of our money. We take far less than our labor is demonstrably potentially worth on the understanding that most shows fail because we like what we do. But it's the opposite of cheating anyone. Anyway, I'd be happy to give up my residuals. And not just for syndication and DVDs, but for downloads and streaming video, too. The studios are right; who knows if this crazy Internet thing will last? All I want, in return, is an up front payment of nine million dollars per teleplay. Short of that, all I want is for people to understand one thing: A residual is a deferred payment against the lifetime value of a script. -- Disclaimer: Terrific people I idolize worked on Barbershop. -- Apology: That crack about "commission" being for nothing. That's just a joke, Ted. -- Not a Correction, But Added Later Nonetheless: Yes, living on this planet as I do, I understand that engineers can assign their patents to the corporations that employ them. They can also give them to strangers on the street, or mail them to fickle prostitutes like a piece of Van Gogh's ear. Some engineers assign their patents. Some don't. Some children work in mills. That doesn't make it their place in the divine order of things. Or even their legal obligation. Except at The Gap.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Damn paragraph breaks didn't work....

    by OrbotCommander

    My apologies for the crazy super long paragraph. There were breaks inserted...but for some reason, they didn't work and now can't delete the post. My bad.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 4:43 a.m. CST

    The writers from the office speak

    by OrbotCommander

    In the meanwhile, here's a great little youtube clip featuring the writers from The Office talking about promoting their awesome "promos" for the internet. http://tinyurl.com/2dpzwv

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 6:40 a.m. CST

    LOST not returning until 2009???? Thanks, writers!

    by Pongo

    Just read the new Ausiello Report on TVGuide.com, and he's reporting that ABC is considering holding the 8 taped episodes until 2009--making it a 24-episode season that would run January to May. Not sure if that would cut the remainder of the show from 3 to 2 1/2 years or not. This sounds like a HORRIBLE idea.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 6:59 a.m. CST

    NO WAY, LOST IN 2009? fuck that! gimme the 8 eps!

    by turketron

    I hope what you just posted doesn't come to fruition Pongo. That would be the most retarded decision ever. At least give us the 8 episodes that are in the can. This ain't Battlestar Galactica. Do the 8 episodes they have, and then if they can't show any more until 2009, give us 24 THEN. Frakkers. And WTF IS WRONG WITH THESE TALKBACKS? WE CAN'T FRAKKING READ THEM 80% OF THE TIME!

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Writers might not make millions

    by I Dunno

    but they make more than the crew members they're putting out of work with their little tantrum.<p>In what other field do people expect to be paid for the rest of their lives for shit they create once? Not software development. Not scientific research at university. Not the doctors who cure shit. Their creations and discoveries belong to their school or company when they create it and they ACTUALLY PRODUCE SOMETHING. </p>

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Fuck the Haters

    by Rustle

    I work in a creative field.. I've worked Union (animation), and now I work non-union (video games). I miss the pertection I used to have. Artists in video games still don't have the rights that Animation artists won for themselves back in 30's. I just worked 2 months of 80 hour weeks with no extra pay. The Fleicher studio fought their employees, tooth and nail over OT pay. In the end there stubborness killed the studio. Check out "Drawing the Line" by Tom Sito. It tells the whole story. I wish my industry had the balls to do what the WGA is doing now. I'm proud of everyone on that picket line.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Oh shit I forgot there was still a strike

    by Pipple

    heh

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 10:01 a.m. CST

    the shit NBC pulled on the Office writers

    by INWOsuxRED

    actually seems alot like the walmart employees who are forced to work after they clock out. Just because it winds up on the internet doesn't mean you don't get to pay anyone. They should be paid more, because that stuff was basically overtime, on top of their normal work schedule.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Why is it so hard to comprehend?

    by Steve_Dooku

    Different industries have different employment models. Wait staff at restaurants make the bulk of their wage from tips, pharmaceuticals make their money from patent protected exclusive medicines, pilots earnings coincide with how many hours they fly, creative work has it's own model too. <br><br> And that <insert tired agrument similar to a butler getting paid every time they open a door, or some other stupid analogy> just doesn't apply because that's NOT how the payment model for a screenwriter works. <br><br> When you sign on at a company that does software development, you sign a contract that states that you have no rights to anything you develop on the job - it all belongs to the company. The alternative is to develop the software yourself, as a private entrepreneur and then YOU own the property you create. <br><br> Entertainment writers share "ownership" of their creations and are simply asking for a fair cut of the profits those creations make. It's pretty stinking simple.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    orbotcommander

    by necgray

    You are awesome. That e-mail is awesome. And it should be an adequate explanation for anyone else coming on here with bullshit, no-knowledge hatemongering.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    I'm a writer...

    by _Maltheus_

    I write software. I think it would be a nice to get a percentage of the profits, but that's not what I signed up for. If I want that, I can negotiate, go to a smaller company or start my own. The problem I have with strikes like these is the strikers go after those who want no part in them. Everyone should have the right to negotiate for themselves and that includes choosing to not be in a union. The studios are just as much at fault for allowing this nonsense in the first place. I think the writers should get as much as they can, but once it crosses the line into bullying studios into not working with non-union talent, then I become very much unsympathetic to their cause. It just comes across as two groups of well-off people conspiring to keep anyone lesser out of their circle. And I strongly believe that Hollywood nepotism is the primary reason for the utter lack of media creativity these days. I would love to see a truly market-based Hollywood.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST

    NOT just about DVD residuals

    by Maggie

    The studios are trying to roll back the health care and retirement benefits of the writers as well. That's not being reported on the news.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    UNOFFICIAL: SEASON 7 OF '24' CANCELLED

    by Pennsy

    http://tinyurl.com/377bhc (from the 24 Headquarters @ Blogspot)

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Pennsy...

    by Abin Sur

    Read something similar on TVGuide.com...with that news, plus the possibility of Lost not coming back until Feb. 2009...my DVR and I are NOT thrilled.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com

    by Abin Sur

    This site has been the absolute best in reporting all the specifics going on with the strike...I'd recommend checking out the Writer's Strike blog on there for some good coverage.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    4 Million Dollars...

    by AssWhole

    Because ALL writers make that sort of dough. Right. Meanwhile, go back to watching your favorite underpaid sports stars and listening to your underpaid musicians and buying underpriced products that don't benefit underpaid CEOs. Writing is sooooo easy. In fact, that's why so many people go into that profession (it's the leading cause of increased dropout rates for high school students). Writing affords a person more time to count all that cash and the non-stop partying and screwing of writer-adoring super models. The downside to writing: the undying attention from paparazzi and celebrity stalkers.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    I'm confused by what Tim Kring said...

    by JunoFallon

    Did that comment mean they WERE doing the re write or that he refuses to do it? It just kind of read funny to me.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Buzz Maverik's Strike Breakin' Goons'n'Scabs

    by Buzz Maverik

    Networks, in the mere days it takes for Buzz Maverik's Strike Breakin' Goons to swiftly and brutally get those greedy writers back at their word processors, Buzz Maverik's Scabs can be keeping your award winning shows on the air with only slightly better than usual scripts. Because when you say Buzz Maverik, you think bat weilding sociopaths and the creme de le creme of the slushpile!

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST

    AnimalStructure

    by uglyMood

    I lived in Hollywood for 13 years, and I'm not a screenwriter, but I knew a lot of them and they were barely scraping by. I've probably worked more days than you've lived, you smarmy little punk. Got any more ASSumptions about me you wish to make? And for the record, writing IS work, and good writing is HARD work. Is computer programming not work because the programmer isn't toting a bale, he's just thinking? Is an air traffic controller not working because he's just sitting on his ass watching a screen? Jeez, why do I even have to point this shit out? What do manual laborers do when they get off work to take their minds off their troubles? TV and movies. And who makes those movies if nobody writes them? Not obviously talentless morons like you, that's for sure.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST

    check this out

    by oisin5199

    a clip from the Office folk explaining some of the ridiculousness around the new media question: http://tinyurl.com/yphp8d

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    maltheus, what?

    by necgray

    Bullying the studios? Did you seriously just say that? Are you insane? If you want them to get as much as they can, then why are you against the strike? And how many more articles and/or websites do you need to be directed to to prove that writers are NOT "well off"? Oh, and for the record, you DO!!!! DO!!! see a Hollywood that's market-based! The problem is that people who buy movie tickets are buying tickets to shit movies! Don't blame the writers for the fact that the average American would rather see Soul Plane than The Red Balloon. And what's with this bandwagon shitting on current media? Have you actually compared the films and television of today to the films and television of yesterday? You go ahead and rant when you actually can make a cogent point about the difference between media from today and yesterday. Besides which, nepotism in Hollywood goes back to the fucking 30s and 40s, for chrissakes. You act like "remember the good old days?" Well, there WERE no "good old days" in that regard. Nepotism's been around since the beginning. As have the unions.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Thanks Necgray! And here's some more stuff!

    by OrbotCommander

    Necgray, first off, can't believe you read that long ass paragraph!! Because it even made my eyes hurt. But thanks for your kind comment. <br> </b> And also, I just put this up on the other office/writer related post: <br> This is a better visual explanation on what the writers are actually fighting for:</br> <br> http://tinyurl.com/ywn84l</br> <br> And here's the link to the Chris Kelly article regarding residuals:</b> <br> http://tinyurl.com/37vfgh

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 11:54 p.m. CST

    AnimalStructure outs himself

    by necgray

    And now we come to it. AnimalStructure's problem with the WGA is personal. He's got some beef with them. And I'm not even saying either side is wrong or right, I'm just saying it's personal. Which says to me that for AnimalStructure this isn't *really* about the current strike at all, but the WGA in general. I have no problem with that, though I would ask AnimalStructure to back up his claims with some specifics. I mean, what EXACTLY does he mean by "corrupt"? Which legit writers were denied due credit? How much money have they kept for themselves and how do they keep it? You know, anything that would make for rational, reasonable conversation instead of the ridiculous constant spewing of anti-union invective.

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 11:58 p.m. CST

    AnimalStructure, I'm not just being a jerk

    by necgray

    Seriously. I'm in grad school for Screenwriting with the intent to go to NY or LA eventually. So if the WGA really is as bad as you say, give me some research. I'm open for an argument against them.

  • Nov. 9, 2007, 1:48 a.m. CST

    AnimalStructure (sigh)

    by uglyMood

    I have looked carefully over my last posts, and have found nothing that could be construed a "lie." I did indeed live in Hollywood for 13 years, I have know several talented writers who had trouble making their rent payments, and contrary to your fantasy life good writing is NOT easy for a talented writer. It's the hack writers that find it easy. The good ones sweat over it because they want to create something worthwhile that will affect people and make them think or feel or see things differently. My wife is a damned good novelist, and she sweats blood trying to make her work resonate while being entertaining. It's a juggling act that few people can pull off. I used to know one of the best screenwriters in town, who ended up working for the AFI because his insane and brilliant scripts didn't bring in enough money to live on. He's now quite well off, but not because of his writing. I have conversed with dozens of writers, including Arthur C. Clarke and Robert Silverberg, and was involved romantically with one of the most respected avante-garde comic strip writers/artists getting mainstream publicatiion today. Hell, I even had a heart-to-heart with Dr. Timothy Leary in 1979 at a bookstore on Hollywood Blvd. I worked in the distribution end of the industry, and beyond that have had several well-received gallery shows of my paintings and sculpture in San Antonio, Las Vegas and Pomona. One of David Lynch's regular actresses collects my paintings. I am a published humorist and cartoonist. I know my way around writing, art, creativity, filmmaking, computer programming and talent, and anybody who says it ain't work is full of fertilizer. I have not lied in a single one of my posts, and the fact that you have resorted to calling me a liar with absolutely NO evidence to back you up indicates to me that you are logically and rhetorically bankrupt. Go home, little boy. We heard this kind of sophomoric drivel 35 years ago in high school. It didn't fly then, and it sure as hell doesn't fly now. Here's a tip from your betters: "Liar, liar, pants on fire!" is not generally regarded as a legitimate response to a debate on the issues. Either grow up or grow a brain, and until then you'd do your cause a lot more good by shutting your sorry little pie hole. And don't call people you don't know "liars." I'm an honest man with an engineer's understanding of honesty's value, and fifty years of hard and sometimes brutal experience behind me. I've been homeless, lived in a mansion, the Navy barracks in San Diego and everything else in between. I'll put those fifty years experience up against whatever pussy time span you've inflicted on the planet any day. If I've made an unwarranted assumption about your probable age, forgive me. The amateurish level of your discourse lead me to suspect you're a callow youth with a chip on your shoulder and no rhetorical chops. You could be much older than I suspect, of course, but that would imply a sad inability to learn from experience. Go to bed, junior, and don't call anonymous strangers liars. It don't sit well, and it's a dishonest technique. But that probably doesn't bother you, of course.