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I am – Hercules!! The promo card attached to the Brian Williams edition of “Saturday Night Live” announced a new live episode starring Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson and Amy Winehouse is coming next weekend, but the show’s Writers Guild of America East writers are now on strike and have been since 12:01 ET Monday morning. The Writers Guild of America West followed at 12:01 PT. Last-minute negotiations collapsed around 9:30 p.m. PT Sunday. And now what happens? NBC expects WGA members Steve Carrell and B.J. Novak to be back to work at “The Office” Monday morning, but what of their fellow actor/writers Paul Lieberstein and Mindy Kaling, who arguably play less central roles in front of the cameras? And what of TV’s showrunners, almost all of whom are also members of the WGA? Will they march the picket lines and let non-writers supervise shoots and editing sessions for the episodes they’ve written, or will they cross WGA picket lines to ensure their visions are realized to their satisfaction? Will we get a new "South Park" on Wednesday? The WGA is telling its members that picketing is mandatory, and that each member is expected to picket 20 hours per week. (Won't this prove tricky for super-wealthy Akiva Goldsman or David Koepp if they're wintering in Greece or Australia?) Entertainment shows that air the same day they shoot – “The Daily Show,” “The Colbert Report,” “Late Night,” “The Late Show,” “The Tonight Show,” “Jimmy Kimmel Live” and so on – will be the first to go dark. Most sitcoms and hourlongs have at least five unaired episodes scripted, so they’ll continue to offer new installments at least through the end of November sweeps. Scripted shows slated to start or return at midseason – “24,” “Medium,” “Lost” and their ilk – have more episodes in the can and may see their starts delayed until February sweeps (or later) if the strike is not resolved in a timely manner. Look for lots more unscripted shows, which were not a major commercial force (if they existed at all) during the last WGA strike nearly 20 years ago. “The Real World” didn’t arrive on MTV until 1992. The first three major-network reality shows – “Survivor,” “Big Brother” and the ABC version of “Making the Band” – didn’t arrive until eight years later. Variety reports that CBS is contemplating the first-ever spring edition of “Big Brother” – possibly a celebrity edition – to launch in March should the strike prove lengthy. The highly rated “Brother” is a particularly potent network weapon as it affordably provides CBS three hours of new primetime programming weekly. Read all of Variety’s story on the matter here.

George’s Super-Exciting Star Wars Vault!!

That works out to $33 Per Season!! The extras-crammed Definitive Editions!! Individual seasons cost $69.99 New; $50 used!! They were going for close to $100/season not too long ago!
(The discount presumably celebrates the release of the “Twilight Zone” movie in HD, so don’t expect it to last ...)

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  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:01 a.m. CST

    first strike!

    by Jubba


  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:05 a.m. CST

    second strike!

    by Triceratops on Fire

    Not that i'm happy about it.<br><br>Any idea on what immediate effects this will have?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:06 a.m. CST


    by UndeadJim

    That is all.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Awesome... more reality tv and game shows!

    by Boondock Devil

    ...Christ on a crutch this will suck for awhile.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST

    5th strike ! ? !

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    aww shit i was here to late

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:14 a.m. CST

    To answer some of Herc's questions...

    by epitone

    WGA members employed as "writers in additional capacities" are allowed to work for "struck" companies in non-writing capacities.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Sweet. The Death of Television as we know it

    by charon

    And not a moment too soon...<p> I will miss LOST a little, though.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Like we're going to run out of entertainment...

    by themikejonas

    Video games, DVD's...hmm, there's that "Battlestar Galactica" remake I've been meaning to get into...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Good, TV needed a smack in the head...

    by Mixiboi

    The iPod age really messed with the corporate monsters egos and they forgot to share the pie with the people who MAKE the stuff popular to want on the iPod in the first place..

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:23 a.m. CST

    So we can blame WGA for more reality shows?

    by bioforge

    Yeehaa! BigBrother is the worst of the lot utter shit taking up precious prime time that could be wasted on other utter shit scripts. Its all good Brother!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:24 a.m. CST

    epitome doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

    by Mose Schrute

    If you're a WGA member, call your strike captain and ask if you're "allowed" to cross your union's picket line to participate in "non-writing capacity." What a stupid motherfucker.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:24 a.m. CST

    American Strike = More International Shows?

    by NZGUY

    Just wondering, does this strike mean more international shows will appear on U.S. networks (aka Dr Who, Jekyell.)

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:24 a.m. CST

    You mean...we have to...go...OUTSIDE??!!!!

    by Mike_D

    booo!!! hisss!!!!

  • we all can watch how far japanese chicks can shoot eels out of they're asses.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:26 a.m. CST


    by coffeeandpie

    if this lasts 22 weeks like the one in 1989 did i'm going to shit.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:29 a.m. CST


    by rhcp2sweet

    I can't have Lost being delayed. I swear to god if I have to drive out to Hollywood to get this deal done it's going to happen.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:32 a.m. CST

    22 Week? Say 56 Weeks...

    by Mixiboi

    This time the writers know a lot more in what is at stake. Pretty much the future of the whole entree Hollywood indrustry and the internet payoff....

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:35 a.m. CST

    BBC America

    by Mixiboi

    ...Will probably lose a couple of good shows that would got them ratings... If anything Fox can borrow Torchwood.. Torchwood > 24

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Does this include manatees?

    by RueDBaga

    Seriously, who knew television had writers?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:40 a.m. CST


    by Outlaw24

    I wonder if this will be like in "Cable Guy" when he broke the satellite and everyone suddenly picked up books and started reading. I think I see a LeVar Burton career revival in the near future. Did "Reading Rainbow" have writers?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:41 a.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:42 a.m. CST


    by Falcon5768

    this is the WORST thing either side could have hoped for.... the WGA/Producers just killed TV, especially if this lasts long enough (which I hope it does) Fuck them both, both sides make way too much money for me to care about either.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:45 a.m. CST


    by dr.bulber

    hilarity ensues.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:46 a.m. CST


    by J-Dizzle

    We must create our own union! We all go on strike and refuse to watch TV until the TV networks stop being so god damn stupid and the writers guild actually do some good writing. I mean honestly, WHAT RIGHT DO THOSE TALENTLESS HACKS HAVE TO STRIKE???? So far everything they've given us this season has been complete shite! I motion that we form the People's Front For TV Watchers (the PFFTW) and picket the Writer's Guild until those greedy lazy bastards actually decide to put some effort into their work. What do we want? Good writing! When do we want it? Now!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST

    At least we'll have YouTube ...

    by KnightShift

    ... to get us through the night.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Harry Shearer had the best description of the WGA

    by slder78

    while a guest on Dinner for Five. He said (and I'm paraphrasing) that it was hard to take seriously a union whose inception was marked by giving up the copyright on their work to the studios. Which means is Shakeaspere wrote Romeo and Juliet for Paramount, Paramount would be able to make Romeo and Juliet 2:Electric Boogaloo without Shakespeare's consent or participation. <p> Do i think the writers deserve their do? Hell yes, but when your union ACTIVELY keeps its members from receiving screen credit for work done on a movie, when even the caterer gets a credit, you've got some issues with your union charter.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:55 a.m. CST

    "is Shakespeare" supposed to be "if Shakespaere"

    by slder78


  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1 a.m. CST

    Pilots aren't picked up by the WGA

    by Mister Man

    Anyway - this battle was going to be waged by the performers, had the writers not taken the wheel, first. Technology requires updates in ALL areas of the entertainment field. Some of you are asking questions that have been answered for days on any one of the major news sites. Perhaps we will get better scripts, once the producers realize that more is at stake for them, once writers have a bigger piece of the pie. This was all inevitable.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1 a.m. CST

    what about those

    by LarryTheCableGuy

    people writing that star wars show? are they on strike. i dont really get this strike thing, so i'm dumb. if the movie writers go on strike will that mean we'll get a renaisance of independent movies kinda like the mid 90's?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1 a.m. CST

    24 and Lost are...Gone?! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!

    by TallBoy66

    Holy crap, I think I'm gonna cry. I think 12 or so episodes of Heroes should be good enough to tide me over if they go dark for the 2nd half of season 2. But 24 and Lost? The main reasons to live? Argh!!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Here we goooooo......

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!! Drop that pen!<p>Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!!! Stop that typing!<p> Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!!! Turn off that word processor!!!<p> Wooo! Hooo! Stop making shit up!<p> Oh boy! What FUN!! When the TV croaks I guess I'll start reading a book! What an odd result.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:04 a.m. CST

    fuck 'em

    by punto

    tv writers suck. look a seasons 1 and 2 of Dexter, guess which one was based off a book, and which one is just pulled out of a bunch of tv writer's ass.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:05 a.m. CST


    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    lets all pick up a book

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Coming Summer 2008: SAG Strike...

    by Mixiboi

    ..then in the Fall 2008, the DAG(Directors) Strike. The Digital Download really disrupted all of the contracts in Hollywood. Hopefully the writers can smooth out the framework before Summer of 08.... Or this will get worst...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:13 a.m. CST

    If they stop supplying the written word to TV,

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    we turn from TV to the written word!<p> Read a book.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:16 a.m. CST

    I'm a writer, hire me

    by Murraypalooza

    I'd kill to get a concept on television, I'd write for free.<br /><br /> And I'm way saucier than Steve Carrell. WAY saucier.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Fast resolution

    by Mastidon

    Maybe I'm being to optimistic but I think this will be solved fast. There is too much money to be lost for all around not to come to some sort of fast resolution. The studios have to see that the writers expect to be paid for all uses of their work including DVD and online sales. That does not seem unreasonable.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:17 a.m. CST

    So lame. You writers suck.

    by happybunni

    Writers are lazy. There is a lack of new ideas on almost all shows. To make matters worse, knowing that the strike is coming up the writers have been extra lazy rehashing previously ideas already used. Just hire some monkies instead.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:21 a.m. CST

    WGA is getting screwed by the producers

    by WWBD

    It's about time they stood up for themselves. They had no other choice.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Actually Epitome does know what he's talking about

    by Kraken

    As a matter of fact, some show runners could be sued if they don't come into work and do their non-writing contractual duty. It would be illegal for the WGA to try and penalize any of their members for crossing the picket line to do non-writing work.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:27 a.m. CST

    how does this affect smallville and supernatural

    by fibertech

    does anyone know?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:29 a.m. CST

    people who strike aren't lazy

    by palinode

    They aren't. Ever walked a picket line? Laziness is accepting your lot. Striking is taking action.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Srrike = bad. Coogan on Curb = Genius

    by Alonzo Mosely

    I almost came on the spot when I saw Steve Coogan on Curb your enthusiasm... Thank you comedy gods...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:37 a.m. CST

    I cannot post...

    by Cruel_Kingdom that would entail writing and would thus make me a strikebreaker!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:38 a.m. CST

    The studios don't want this resolved yet...

    by Executor

    A strike means they can guiltlessly shore up their schedules with cheaper reality programming and reruns. <p>Also, they can exercise the force majuere clause in contracts and overall deals, basically discarding expensive deals they regret making.<p>If the studios caved on the WGA demands now, they would still have to contend with SAG next year. The only thing this strike affects is TV. Movie studios don't want to buy anything in the next few months anyway, because nothing can start production around the SAG deadline. The smart plan is to hammer out a new SAG contract as well and simultaneously close negotiations on both. If the studios cave early on WGA, SAG will have tremendous bargaining power.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Jon Stewart summed up the strike

    by Prossor


  • Nov. 5, 2007, 2:11 a.m. CST

    It's about more than DVDs and "New Media" though

    by TheSecondQuest

    According to this here: it seems the studios want to royally screw writers by scaling back royalties to only after a project has become profitable (but since studios mark unsuccessful projects against the budgets of profitable onces, many projects aren't really considered profitabvle on paper, or to a much smaller degree than they would be seen otherwise, at the very least, which means the writers wouldn't get anything). Additionally the studios want to remove writer credits from publicity and advertising, as well as eliminate separated TV/film rights for writers. All of that is in addition to the 4 cent increase writers are asking for from DVD sales.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Actually Epitome doesn't know what he's talking about

    by Katie Geek

    All WGA writers on staff are under contract and we can all be sued.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 2:21 a.m. CST

    Hey hollywood, I'll write your stuff for cheap

    by Pipple

    call me

  • and kill off Lana.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 2:21 a.m. CST

    *Tom Welling in Superman costume

    by Mike_D

    thats what the complete sentenced was SUPPOSED to say above.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Hey, smart people... what is the MBA?


    I'm reading SecondQuest's link, and I can't figure out what the MBA is that it refers to.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 2:39 a.m. CST

    hell yeah, secondquest

    by necgray

    You inform those bastards! It's f'n ridiculous the shit the studios want to pull on the writers. I'd heard about the whole "profitable" thing, not about the advertising. The "profitable" thing is mind-blowingly shitty. Where the hell else would you work for months in the creation of a product and NOT be paid for your work if the product doesn't sell? Nowhere else, that's where. F'n stupid...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 2:47 a.m. CST

    Studio 60 would have dealt with this material so well...

    by DanielKurland

    Sorkin would have been loving this.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3 a.m. CST

    Daniel Kurland: Yeah, but...


    ...wouldn't Sorkin have to be on strike, which would prevent him from writing those episodes?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:14 a.m. CST

    Lost has 8 out of 16 completed

    by AlwaysThere

    Not exactly "done filming". 24 is in the same boat.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Writers' demands

    by Iowa Snot Client

    No more setting type by hand by oil lamp 14 hours a day; no typewriters, no peace!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:47 a.m. CST

    WGA suck

    by dioxholster

    they are greedy bastards. they want to take a piss on the studios for not giving them more cash? i expect this to last one week. anyway does that mean studios cant hire non-WGA people coz there is alot of talent out there .

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Carson and Letterman

    by The Selecter

    shut down for a while during the last strike, but came back on air after they received some sort of exemption. Don't ask me to explain, Hollywood's concept of law and accounting principles don't apply to the real world and normal human logic.<br><br>The writerless Letterman shows were weirdly interesting.<br><br>And you guys must be slipping. Nobody has pulled out the "W------ G---- E--!" line

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Holy Shit!!!

    by KingArcane

    This puts me right in the alley for my script that introduces Swamp Thing to Smallville!! F U writers guild! Just kiddin'. I'm looking forward to the results of this.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Can they make a movie

    by Napoleon Park

    if they just point a camera at a bunch of Mimes and yell "Improvise!"?<p>Actually one of the networks should launch a new talk show in which the host sits in a chair and a guest comes out and they converse.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Well, hell. Writers Gotta...

    by LlGHTST0RMER line?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:07 a.m. CST

    If The Office is affected...

    by desmond1918

    I will burn Utica to the ground.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:46 a.m. CST

    I support the WGA

    by lb

    The writers have been screwed out of so much's pretty sad. And on a personal note I think cutting back on TV would do me some good anyway ;)

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:21 a.m. CST


    by badboymason

    Like a lot of strikes- it's not all about the mega-rich writers getting more money, it's about writers who have written movies/TV episodes that have made the studios MILLIONS on DVD and will in future over the internet getting pennies of that back. Not all writers are millionaires, and if in your career you only write one screenplay that went on to be a huge success, you don't deserve to be shafted out of your share.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:25 a.m. CST

    This is going to get UGLY.

    by Yeti

    Then again, most pissing contests involving money, power and saving face ususally do.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:38 a.m. CST

    Forest Gump

    by rosasaks

    Forest Gump made $679 million world wide. At the time it was something like the third highest grossing movie of all time. Obviously this entitled Paramount to claim to Winston Groom, the novelist whose character it was, that because the film wasn't in any way profitable they wouldn't be needing to give him any cash. Scumbags.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:42 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    They shouldn't.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:46 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Damned illegals taking all the jobs away.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:47 a.m. CST

    you know what...?

    by DuncanHines

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:54 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Unions have diminished greatly in this country because of corporate pressure and the rise of illegal aliens. The WGA must stand firm on principle, and I hope the public backs them. Totally agree with Badboymason - we're not talking about millionaire writers, we're talking about people who write to earning a decent living and support their families.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:55 a.m. CST

    my bad, hit the enter key and accidentallty blank posted, but...

    by DuncanHines

    Fuck those cunts. Hollywood "writers," who make ridiculous money to steal ideas from comic books, non-comic books, real life, and movies that were already made years ago or in other countries want to go on strike... Boo fucking hoo. Fuck them. AND fuck "reality" TV. You know what, Hollywood, My friends and I have plenty of ridiculous and funny and fun ideas, that we'd gladly share with you if you'd let us... But no, you'd rather pay dumbshit rip-off artists to sell you the same dumb shit over and over. Go to and take a look, you cronies. And that's not my idea, that's from some friends. Seriously, these primadonna fuckheads have been dumbing down and ruining American entertainment for decades now. Bring in new blood with IDEAS, not remake ideas or adaptation ideas.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Last time there was a WGA strike...

    by Abin Sur

    ...I remember NBC seriously considering taking scripts from OLD (like 70's OLD) programs and refilming them verbatim with new actors. "Mission Impossible" was THIS close to getting a greenlight for production when the strike ended. But think about how cool that could have been!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Hope it goes on superlong

    by messi

    be awesome

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:15 a.m. CST

    There WAS a Mission:Impossible show in the 1980s

    by I Dunno

    It was good too. In fact, it was a lot closer to the spirit of the original than the Tom Cruise ego-fests. There was an actual team, instead of just Cruise and a brother behind a lap top.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:24 a.m. CST


    by jedidad99

    This is probably a silly idea, but if the strike looks like it could take a while to resolve, wouldnt this be the perfect opportunity for NBC to start running Battlestar Galactica as a weekly series? They already have 3 full seasons that are ready to air and I cant help but think that it would have to be able to do better in the ratings against the overwhelming amount of reality shows that are going to be packing the schedules than it would have when the networks were all running new episodes of csi and the like. I know there had been talk for a couple years about NBC trying this, and that talk eventually went away, but seriously what better time than now? A bird in the hand...right?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:29 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    The downside is that Samantha Harris will have to ad lib, and that's gonna be pretty horrendous. She has a nice rack though.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:36 a.m. CST

    celebrity big brother?!?!

    by theredtoad

    I'm soooo there. And that explains also why the promos keep saying for Heroes "the next five weeks will be crazy" or whatever.. because after 5 weeks Heroes will seriously be in the shitter.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:40 a.m. CST


    by turketron

    If the assholes responsible for the plethora of reality shit that makes me question why I pay for cable never got a job in television again, I would be happy. Holy fuck, MTV used to suck now it's utterly unbearable. I flipped to it a couple of times this weekend, and it was either America's Top Model or that Tila Tequila show... WTF IS THIS SHIT??? Same goes to VH1...MOST SMARTEST MODEL??? WTF IS THAT SHIT??? I Love New York 2??? GTFO! Sadly, this sounds like it affects my beloved Lost, 24, The Shield, The Wire, etc. shows more than anything. Oh well, the strike will allow me to catch up on some shows that I missed. I haven't finished off Supernatural from last year, let alone touched season 3 yet. <p><p>And shit, there's a lot of movies on DVD I have neglected to watch, but ceremonially burned to many DVD's... thanks Blockbuster! This should get interesting. Personally, I think they should hire on some amateur writers and see what they come up with. It would make things interesting to say the least.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:43 a.m. CST

    reality tv: Fuck dancing with the stars... how about

    by turketron

    A full season of Celebrity Boxing?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST

    by Omar B

    Like I care. College and NFL Football are on, Basketball season is on so I'll be cool. I mostly watch sports and specific selected shows recorded in my DVR. I'll miss Letterman and Conan but I'm not gonna be a baby about it. Heck, except for Chuck, Reaper, CSI (and it's spinoffs), Pushing Daisies, UFC, IFL, and a few others TV sucks this year. Oh, and to the dude above. There was an 80's Mission: Impossible series man. I saw it, came up the same times as Star Trek TNG, yet another result of the same strike. Was I the only one who saw the 80's filmed in Australia M:I?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Another note

    by Omar B

    Reality shows suck and should not be watch. I'll spend the strike watching sports, British TV and reading.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:52 a.m. CST

    more reality tv

    by palewook

    and less of me watching tv. i watch the reg networks 2.5 hours a week now. and can only see this dropping to 0 if the strike lasts.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:08 a.m. CST

    I don't remember the 80's M:I...

    by Abin Sur

    But then again I was in grade school, so there you go. It would be great to see some other shows re-made as period pieces with the same scripts and different actors - The Prisoner would be awesome.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Poor FOX network... They have nothing to canel : (

    by Yotz Von Frelnik

    What a cryin' shame. Oh, wait, they've just canceled the strike.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Bring back Boot Camp!

    by chrth

    The celebrity edition was Meh, but the first edition (with "Norms") was damn compelling television. Wolf was robbed!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:39 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    That's what NBC will start airing.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    No gay porn..

    by FearOfABlackPlanet

    unless its woman on woman, then they have my blessings.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9 a.m. CST

    Sorry WGA

    by Shivv

    You do a job that a million or more people would do for cheaper. Not only that, but those people, with a few exceptions, would probably put out a better product than your union now produces. <p>Strikes are great if you're a skilled worker getting screwed over by your company. If you're easily replaceable, like the writers are, then you have to be careful.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Piss on the WGA

    by Philvis

    Sorry, but if you don't like the terms of the contract, don't sign on. You do not have the right to get a job. If I don't want to pay you x amount, I will find someone else who will work for cheaper. It is called the free market system. Unions are why the US is behind so much...take the auto industry for example. Our cars cost way too much for the quality. The reason for both, the UAW. You aren't owed a job. I think Hollywood should pack up and move to a right to work state and be done with all the BS. They all make too much money and because of that, we pay more to be entertained. Bring on some RONCO infomercials baby!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    I loved the '80s MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE series

    by SpyGuy

    Phil Morris (Barney from the original series' son) and Jane Badler (Diana from V). It also had a pretty cool version of the original theme, if I recall correctly. Why isn't this out on DVD?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    What the writers DON'T want to face: no one cares

    by Big Dumb Ape

    ...Is that the greater number of average citizens out there won't give a shit about this strike AT ALL. Look, make no mistake, my sympathies are with the writers trying to get a better share of the royalty pool from emerging technologies. From my own background and personal business dealings, trust me, I can completely understand that debate. But that said...<p>I think this strike is going to backfire on the WGA to a large degree. Overall, the country is more ANTI-union than ever before, basically equating union strikes to cry babies who have too many guaranteed perks or good paying salaries to begin with who are now trying to milk a company for even more guaranteed goodies. And give me a break -- if people feel that way about blue collar workers at an auto plant, do you REALLY think they're going to sympathize with Hollywood writers who (for the most part) the average American probably thinks is already VASTLY overpayed as it is? That is compared to their jobs as a High School Teacher or cop or ticket taker on a train or a lowly office worker?<p>And once people can't see their favorite shows any more, they'll just get even MORE PISSED at the snobby and glamorous Hollywood brats who think its too tough to sit in a room and write for solid money. And that's the make or break point in any strike -- when you lose public support. Because that's the point the average person will 'll be saying, "Hey, try doing MY job and dealing with fucking kids all day long in a high school. I WISH my job was as tough (cough, cough) as sitting in front of a word processor all day! Sheesh, what a bunch of cry babies you guys are!"<p>But here's the other reality that the writers are being rather clueless about: for the most part, people don't give a shit about their TV work. They could care less if these people were out on the streets. Recent studies and polls have shown that something like 7 out of 10 people...the actual majority now...prefer to come home and go online and do stuff to relax (be it web surfing, working on their own blogs or sites, looking at porn, chatting with friends or whatever) INSTEAD of watching prime time TV. Which is why viewership is dropping dramatically and advertisers are freaking out.<p>So that's the wacky thing here -- the writer's want a bigger share of the Internet, but right now people don't give a shit about TV which is where they're actually employed and striking FROM. So by the time this is over, I think it could end up like the baseball strike where the owners and parks really did have a hard time and uphill fight to get the fans back because they were SO turned off by things by the time it was over.<p>And I agree with others here that what the strike is also really going to do is this: it's NOT going to make people realize how much they sympathize with the writers -- but it IS going to make them realize JUST HOW FUCKING SHITTY TV HAS TRULY BECOME. And that's the point where they'll realize that many of these writers who are now out of work SHOULD BE KEPT OUT OF WORK FOR GOOD.<p>So to that end the average person will actually be GLAD that the writers are out of their jobs, at which point they'll turn back to their computers and what they were doing and just shrug it all off...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Hollywood execs, if you read this...

    by DuncanHines

    Hire me and my friends. We'll give you great ideas and shows and movies. Pay us 2.5 - 3 times the salaries you pay the jokers who are striking. You'll still be saving a bundle, believe me. And America will be entertained. And that's all we Americans want anyway, isn't it?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Are the BIONIC WOMAN writers out on the street?

    by Big Dumb Ape

    'Cause if those guys are out on the street and are actually being STOPPED from doing any further writing work that's actually a BLESSING given how utterly shitty their stuff was to begin with!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Well said Big Dumb Ape

    by Philvis

    I have my TV on in the evening, but only watch a few shows regularly during the week. TV has become crappy lately and it is risky for me to even invest time in it due to the fact it will probably get cancelled by the end of the season if it is something I like anyway. I really don't feel sorry for the WGA or any unions on strike. The need for unions ended with the passing of the various labor laws last century. I feel I should make about $10k more a year than I already do, but you know what, I knew the pay when I came into this job and accepted it freely. I am sick of how our society has turned into a bunch of people who think they are owed something.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Big Dumb Ape...


    The problem with your post is the complete and utter lack of facts. You seem to suggest that people don't watch television anymore and therefore there wouldn't be a market for shows on DVD, extra content on the internet, and downloadable episodes. Wow, you couldn't be further off base. Also, you seem to suggest that because they make more than the average American, they aren't due fair compensation for their work. I don't see you working in a writer's room, so what gives you the right to decide how much they can make? Why is it up to you to say that the publishers or the studios should get the lion's share of profits? And your biggest ascertation that the average person won't care about these strikes is absolute bullshit. The second new episodes stop airing or movies stop coming out, people get insanely up at arms. I'm sorry, you're posting this on an internet forum and you don't know this? Maybe you should remove your head from your anus.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Fuck the strike.

    by El Scorcho

    It just proves further that the writers don't really care about the audience. It's all about them.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST

    The country is anti union?


    If by anti-union you mean 30 years of Republicans squashing the right to assemble in the the rich can get richer, which is the problem here-DEREGULATION?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST is a towel

    by Philvis

    Your heart is bleeding profusely. We live in a free market economy. If you want some good ole socialism, Hugo Chavez is looking for a few good men.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Hey Philvis

    by carpetofstars

    We don't think we're owed something, we just know that we deserve better than what we're getting. While I agree with you that unions tend to mess things up more often than they fix things, it is irresponsible to ignore the greed and avarice of the corporations.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST

    TV "content"

    by LORDRANDO long as there is footage of someone being judgmental, rude,or being hit in the cock, who needs writers, right? Thats all TV was friday, and thats all it will be on monday.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Good thing I only watch Cartoon Network...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Those episodes of Squidbillies and Ed, Edd & Eddy pretty much write themselves.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST



    Pony up the cash you greedy bastard studios!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:57 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    royalities and advance on royalties, right? I used to work in the publishing industry, and authors don't get a paycheck, they get paid either for the piece (as in mags), or for royalties (as in books). Now if we're talking about staff writers on low salary + royalties, that's a different story, but then again if the guild want a more lucrative share of the royalties, why not? That's called FREE ENTERPRISE.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST



    Free market economy or out of control greed?...Im sorry i cant defend the position of more more more...when most of the world has less....less...less....ive been called worse than bleeding heart....This country is in a credit crisis because the culture of more has hooked everyone, including those who cant afford it, all while the rich get unless you dont care about people, but just money,,,why would you call me a socialist? I just dont think society is as fair as people who are rich say it is. In fact its not.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10 a.m. CST

    Goodbye Writers...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Hello 'Studs', 'Temptation Island', and pretty much FOX in the early nineties. Get ready for 'Herman's Head 2: The Headening'. HAHAHAHAH! Fuck. Pay these guys and get the fucking entertainment back on track. Good thing games designers don't know what the fuck they're missing in the money pie.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    A truly free market economy - free of any and all regulations - would ultimately result in a slave labor economy. I don't think that's what you want. Unions serve a purpose in protecting workers from exploitation. That's the legacy of America. If you don't like it, you can move to Mexico.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    At what point will the networks have to start refunding $$$ to s

    by ripper t. jones

    That's when it'll get interesting.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST


    by Philvis

    You are right...the corporate big boys do make tons of money. However, we being a free market economy do have a say in their pay check. We pay them by buying their products. If everyone stopped buying their products or watching their tv shows or movies, they wouldn't have as much money to make. Making millions is the American dream. More power to them if they can make it. All I ask is to make sure your kids are rich little shitheads.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Bringing Sexy Back!!!


    Good point about slavery! That is the end result of free markets, that eventually, if you think about it, one company could possible own and control everything, including people....(see countless sci-fi prophecies on this matter...)

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:10 a.m. CST


    by Philvis

    Unions did serve that protection in the early 20th century. We have things called labor lawas now. Now Unions serve the purpose of bullying companies for higher pay and lower quality work. Oh, and where do all those union dues go? Go ask the union bosses and their huge salaries. I am sorry, but if someone worked their ass off to make it, more power to them. I don't feel that rich people owe me anything...that they should pay a larger percentage of taxes etc. It boils down to choice. You have the choice of accepting their terms of the contract or you can move on. And it is the same with the studios...if writers don't want to accept their terms, then eventually they will have to negotiate more themselves. Sorry, but I'm not down with a socialistic agenda.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST


    by micturatingbenjamin

    Hey, Mussolini's dead, but sure, fascism is WAY more favorable for us lowly skilled worker types, yeah?<p>Listen, man, you know that 'leisure time' you love so much,the 'weekend', 'benefits', and fucking 'child labor laws'? Yeah, unions blow, right, now if you're done helping to open the door to fascism in this country with your myopic ignorance, I'd thank you kindly to shut the fuck up already about communism versus 'free market capitalism'. Works great for just about everyone except the women in fucking Makati kept as slaves, or fucking Taipei being fucking worked until they DIE because they want to be 'Americans' by companies who believe that you can do whatever you want in a 'free market'. Fuck you, dude. Unions, like everything else are a mixed bag, friend, and for every donut critic teamster, there's a guy like my brother agreeing to meet quotas and busting his fucking ASS to keep the company that hired him afloat with the work he does. He's union...You know why GM was only slightly worried about the recent strikes? Because the plants striking were FUCKING MONTHS AHEAD of their quotas. So fuck you man, and take your Neo-Con, Crypto-Fascist take on 'Free Markets' with you.<p>Solidarity...But a 'Writer's Union'? I don't remember writing conditions being all that bad in this country...are there 'Writing Sweatshops'? See, this is why Unions get a bad name.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Great idea, Jedidad99

    by snowpuff

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    I suggest that a few of you educate yourselves about...

    by Mister Man

    the entertainment industry, and the concept of unions, in general. Also, put aside some of your Underoos/nose-picking time, and check out for accurate, up-to-date strike info. Or, for that matter, any of a DOZEN sites covering the strike. Don't wallow in ignorance - this topic is a bit different than the usual screeching about Batman's nipples. Aside from the general public viewership habits, this effects thousands of NON-union industry professionals, across the US. Whining about delayed "Lost" episodes, and screaming at writers in general, is more than a little lame. And, I'm not a writer.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST

    What are their demands?

    by wintocha67

    You guy always answer as if we're experts on the subject.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv..

    by micturatingbenjamin

    NO SHIT, MAN! Fuck, I DARE a writer to do what I do for a week, and switch places with me. Fuck, let me tell you, brother, it ain't just marketing assistants, man, it's copy writers for magazines, and not to mention pretty much every reviewer on this site.<p>I do my nose-picking at night, so...I'm good for now, and I don't own Underoos anymore...unless they make Brock Samson Underoos. But I will say all I need to know is that there's a Union protecting the rights of writers. Feh. No chance of one o THEM getting their arm snatched off in a thresher, mangler, or industrial accident.<p>Writers are complaining about working conditions, being forced to sit on their asses in Burbank, rather than in Malibu? Yeah, I don't have much sympathy for them.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:26 a.m. CST

    ricarleite and others

    by oisin5199

    don't be an idiot? Millions? Are you freaking kidding me?! Do a little research before you make such a dumbass post. The average salary for a WGA member is something like 5K a year. That's probably a lot less than your police officer. That's poverty level. Of course, that counts for the high level of unemployment, but the average WGA writer is a middle class guy trying to make a living and the studios have been screwing them for years. Jon Stewart, as always, does sum it up perfectly. This whole 'too new' argument is such bullshit. It's like their version of 'all the science isn't in yet.' The fact that the studios claim DVDs are an 'experimental' medium and they don't know how to account for their income just shows what pricks they are. Go writers!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST

    My guess is...

    by Kid Z

    ... one or more of the majors go to an "All Reality All the Time" format... and stay that way even when the strike is over. They say reality shows are on the way out, but the economics will keep them going, Kid Nation's pulled a lot of viewers & networks love to copy and the great unwashed lap this shit up. It really is the Death of TV. Hope you enjoyed all the new dramas this year... it's the last you'll ever see of most of 'em.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    It's a matter of proportion.

    by norrinrad

    Sure, a lot of writers make a decent living. But the fact of the matter is, there is a lot of money coming in and they are getting a tiny, tiny share of it. Sure, a lot of these writers are not going to starve to death, but why should that mean that studio execs get to keep it all? Share the wealth.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:37 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    do it for free. It's you talkbackers. Aside from Dancing With The Stars and Top Chef, you are my greatest source of entertainment. I salute you all. Now fuck off.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    If you're gonna do it, now's the time. Good luck!!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST

    I love it

    by Philvis

    Harry should charter some buses to take the pro WGA people on here out to Hollywood to join the picket line. I wonder if any of the grocery store union members will join in to show solidarity.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Porn actresses demand more money for ass-to-mouth. I agree.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    by ironic_name

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Can I picket next to whoever wrote SpiderMan 3 so I can kick his ass?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    I Don't Watch Network TV...

    by KosherWookie

    Just don't have time, as I'm busy at work during the day and running my business in the evenings. I watch a little news and some HGTV, but I'm totally ignorant of stuff like 'Lost' as I just can't fit it into my schedule. So no offense to fans out there, but the whole argument smacks to me of that bit with Vroomfondel and Majikthise from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: "You'll have a philosophers' strike on your hands!" "And whom will that inconvenience?" "Never you mind, buddy... It'll hurt."

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    If ever there was a free market anywhere, it's in the Talkbacks. No plant goes unchallenged, true freedom of expression and truth prevails.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST


    by Omar B

    I'm a writer of a different type. I do freelance journalism and work for a couple magazines at once. Even in the world of magazines where it's all print writers are still paid a paltry amount compared to the revenues taken in on the product. I like people complaining that writers are whining and you wish they would do your job for a day or whatever. Fact is they are not compensated fairly for their work, there's a huge gulf between what they are paid and what they do for the shows we all love. Will I go picket with them, no, I work in magazines but I will support them all the way and till they are back I'll be watching sports.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Hollywood outsources writing jobs to India. Plan backfires when high-pitched singing and 80s style group dancing doesn't go over so well.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    see what i did?

    by ironic_name

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    the collective shitpile that wrote

    by ironic_name

    step by step, friends, suddenly susan, jay leno, letterman, in case of emergency, - and basically every show but freaks and geeks and galactica - don't deserve money.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    OMAR B

    by BringingSexyBack

    Tell me about it. Most of the writers I knew in the publishing industry who live off royalties and freelance jobs also have a fulltime job to support their families. Writing is nothing if not a labor of love. <p> A recent article on the rift between Candace Bushnell and Darren Star really shows how writers get fucked over. Yes, $1 Million is a lot of money, and that's what she made off Sex and the City. But for all the hundreds of millions that show made, she should have gotten more. And she was even a friend of Star's. I can only imagine how little other writers make for their works, who don't have the same cachet as she does. Good luck to you strikers.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by Omar B

    I don't work in film so I can't comment on that. But proportionally what our writers get is nothing compared to directors, producers, actors when in most cases the writers come up with the whole damn thing, or flesh it out from some half baked idea that would not otherwise work. Non of us wants to be insufficiently paid for what we do when those around us get multiple times that. I don't mean to diminish anybody else's contribution to a movie/show but the writers do get the short end of the stick. Oh and yes, as a journalist I also have a night job and two roommates (my sister and best bud) though I have two degrees and have been writing since high school. So yes, I know what the writers go through.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    AgeofKnights, all I was saying is...

    by Big Dumb Ape

    ...All recent marketing and polling studies have clearly shown that a majority of people are now MORE interested in going online and taking an ACTIVE roll in doing "something" (say playing a game or building their own web site and blogging away so that in essence THEY are now the star of things and the center or attention) versus coming home and plopping on the couch in front of a TV and taking a PASSIVE role and essentially doing nothing. That's just a FACT, Knights, whether you want to admit it or not -- and anyone worth 2 cents in marketing or advertising will tell you that's the cold hard truth. The Net is completely where the future is at...everyone with a brain knows it...which is exactly why the WGA has decided to strike over it. At least they got THAT part of things right.<p>Secondly, you said, "I don't see you working in a writer's room..." Well, I have bad news for you: I AM a professional writer and continue to do freelance writing as my "job." And to that end, though this may shock you, I actually agree with Philvis. In a free market society -- harsh as this might sound -- you really can't be guaranteed much of anything. Relatively speaking, the market SHOULD decide a product's price, particularly when you're selling a something truly specialized like writing work (which since it's artistic in nature is always going to be up to subjective judgment over its worth ANYWAY). So whenever you're out selling something creative (be it writing work, a painting, a statue, whatever) how do you really put a price tag on it? You can't. So you let the market decide what its worth and if you're the creator YOU have to make the decision if you feel you're being properly compensated or not -- at which point YOU can decide if you want to sell your work or not. But, hey, that's the joy -- and the curse -- of capitalism.<p>You also said: "Why is it up to you to say that the publishers or studios should get the lion's share of the profits?" Gee, I don't know, Knights, could it possibly be that maybe...just maybe...that out of pure fairness they should get the largest piece of the pie since they actually put up the investment capital to get a project published or a project made? And thus they DESERVE the bigger piece of the pie for having taken the actual financial RISK to begin with?<p>Look, nowhere in my post did I ever say that in the case of this strike that the writers DON'T deserve a bigger share of back end royalties from future technologies. Let me say this straight up: I think they DO deserve a few extra points.<p>What I DID say what that the average American...who is basically a hard working Joe who toils at a less than glamorous job for long hours and who is likewise (according to all statistics) pretty cash strapped these days from over-extended credit lines...isn't going to have too much sympathy for Hollywood writers who think they don't have enough potted plants in their Malibu offices overlooking the beach. Now I know that's not what they're actually striking over, but as I said the average American pretty much looks at Hollywood and says (1) "Boy, those people have got some pretty fucking cool jobs versus what I have to do all day long" and (2) "Man, for living the glamorous lives that they do, they also seem to be damn overpayed relative to the crap wages I'm taking home."<p>For crying out loud, Knights, here's the problem with pretty much ANY Hollywood strike. Whenever there's a Hollywood strike over money, the average American pretty much closes their eyes and pictures a Teamster driving George Clooney around a studio lot in a fucking golf cart and who is then pulling down a healthy 6 figure salary for that just BECAUSE he's a Teamster in Hollywood. Which only plays to the anti-union animus that's here in the U.S now. And the truth is that sentiment has been growing, and it's evidenced by more than enough polls that show the vast majority of current American workers DON'T want to join any union at all, which is why unions are facing record LOW enrollments and record HIGH decertifications in the workplace as workers literally VOTE to remove some unions from their workplace.<p>So given that THAT'S the mood in the country right now -- where people aren't even sympathetic to truly hard-working, blue collar auto workers anymore -- do you REALLY think they're going to get all worked up or be exceptionally sympathetic to Hollywood writers who have been churning out truly shitty TV shows AND who they also already consider to be overpayed glamor boys (or girls) that are out wearing high priced designer sunglasses as they hang around a movie set all day long?<p>Answer: not very likely.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    For the shit money they get paid, who can afford Blu Ray?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Glad I run a bookstore...

    by ZeroCorpse

    Business will be booming this season. Thanks WGA! My Christmas bonus is ASSURED now!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    I agree with Big Dumb Ape about unions.

    by Barry Egan

    There was a time when unions were vital and important. Workers were being exploited and by organizing they got more money and safer work conditions. But I think those days are gone. Laws are in place to help protect workers rights, And I agree that most unions like the UAW seem to be interested in raising wages while lowering productivity and quality. American cars are way too expensive and when foreign cars sell well here the UAW lays a guilt trip on us to buy American. Fuck you, build a better product that costs less money. It's called free enterprise.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    But I TOTALLY agree with BringingSexyBack

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Demanding MORE strippers should be part of ANY negotiation!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Good one Bringingsexyback

    by kilik777

    thats why i also chose hd dvd.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Scripted TV replaced with reality TV?

    by kyle051554

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!<br /><br /> This is terrible, terrible news. It's like the end of media. They better get this thing sorted out quick, or else I'm gonna be pissed.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Unions are more important than ever before. Go anywhere in the USA ... New England, the South, MidWest, East Coast/West Coast, Rockies - there isn't a place that isn't inundated with illegal alien day laborers and migrant workers. The reason why the gummint won't put a stop to this influx of TENS OF MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS is because the long-term plan is to drive wages down in this country. And that's the way to do it. By corporations flouting the law. Unions will provide a critical counter-balance to this.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    I've got it!!!

    by superfleish76

    A new reality tv show..."who wants to be America's next scab writer?" All these people with their wonderful ideas can compete to get their projects made into stike-time tv shows!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    writers get less than 3 cents a dvd

    by oisin5199

    while the studios rake in the bucks. To quote the late Jubal Early, 'does that seem right to you?'

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    ending in Total Fucking Destruction. Bring it, TFD!!!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    but on the other hand you liked Alone In The Dark??!? WTF MAN?!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    If Total Fucking Destruction took over BIONIC WOMAN...

    by Big Dumb Ape

    ...Maybe she'd actually DO SOMETHING FUCKING BIONIC and the show would actually be tolerable to watch.<p>Hmm, suddenly the list of shows TFD could take over begins to grow...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    3 CENTS A DVD?!?!

    by BringingSexyBack

    What is this, kids making Nikes in China make more than that. CHILDREN OF FUCKING MEDIA MOGULS.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Next on FOX: "Ow! My Balls!"

    by charon

    just got one more step closer to reality. It'll be a great pair-up with GECKO, the cutesy-lovable gecko from those insurance commercials alternating words of wisdom with zany situations that come with being a 6 inch long gecko in Modern Times. Genius that writes itself, I tells ya!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I can barely go a week without seeing ballroom dancing. Pay them what they want!!!!!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    dibs on writing the remaining Heroes season

    by irrelevntelefant

    episode 7: sylar gets his powers back, watches previous 6 episodes of season 2, can't believe how much they suck. sylar blows up the world. end.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST


    by CrazyJoeDavola

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Fuck em'

    by gusradio

    I'd rather watch independent filmmaker kick some ass anyway. What's going on with Harmony Korine and Desmond Packard anyway?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    WGA is going down in flames.

    by dioxholster

    studios should take this opportunity and hire really good writers who love their job and dont whine about not getting a porche. seriously, writers can be pathetic, especially in hollywood. I bet thats how they get dates; "hey you know who i'm, i'm the guy who wrote the tv show Twins." anyone can write a script or produce creative work, very few actually get it right. the rest of 99.9% of writers can go fuck themselves for all i care.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Writers Guild members do not make 5K a year...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    I am fairly sure to even be in the guild you have to be able to prove you made something like $35,000 in the last 12 months, and that is an ongoing stipulation. If I am wrong, someone will correct me I am sure, but I am fairly sure I read something like that a while back. It is part of the whole catch 22 of getting into the guild, you have to sell scripts to get in, but you can't sell scripts unless you are already in.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST


    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    i thought the title was hilarious for some reason. yea i lol'd suck my dick

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Residuals are ridiculous anyway.

    by Banshee7

    When a plumber comes to your house to fix your toilet, do you pay him for the 1 visit, or does he get a residual check for every time you flush? I heard that the other day. Kinda puts things in perspective doesn't it?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Mike_D: To answer your question...

    by DeadPanWalking

    " how far japanese chicks can shoot eels out of they're (sic) asses..." I Believe the Japanese record is 29 ft 4½ in, which is - strangely enough - the same as the world long-jump record. Weird, huh?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    TV has writers?

    by lobsterone

    aaaw... now wonder.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Attica! Attica! Attica!

    by evilmasterfoo

    Hell no we won't go!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Can we please stop

    by Javeyjoe

    with all the "hire me, I'll work for free" nonsense? Or the "Hire me, I've got a show that's way better than the shit out there". First of all, if you really really actually truly wanted to be a writer you would be. Period. You might not be working, but you'd know better than to say shit like that. Second, execs buy up a lot of scripts and sift through tons of AMAZING shows every year and guess what? They put on shit instead and some poor bastard has to try a write a great episode of a terrible show to put food on the table. No one watches it because the buzz on the show is so bad and morons can sit on their computers and talk about how much the writers have fucked up television. Yes, there are hordes of awful writers. But they come up with buzz shows that the networks pick up because people will watch. Gah, I'm ranting. It's fucking contagious in here.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Writers are getting screwed over, but they still shouldn't strik

    by darthflagg

    Sure they get less money than other creative talent, but we're not talking about factory workers getting minimum wage here. They get paid money to do what they love. There are millions of people out there who would write movies and TV shows for free if they could. One of the reasons it's so hard for new writers to break into the business is because of restrictive practices by groups like the WGA, which is designed to protect its members and keep non-members from getting work.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST


    by Javeyjoe

    "They do the work willingly in order to be a part of the "glamor" of Hollywood." That's pretty fucking cynical. I pray to God at least a couple of stiffs out there are kinda sorta interested in creating a lasting work that actually fucking says something and is beautiful. What's it called again? Oh yeah. Art.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    No, banshee 7, that's a really dumb analogy

    by 300 monkeys

    The studios are raking in major coin from DVD, and now potentially through new media outlets, and do not want to share with the people who helped create the content. Residuals are only fair. If rotor rooter gets paid every time you fluch that toilet, then, yeah, your plumber should get a piece of that. Moron.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Where is...

    by DeadPanWalking

    Senor Spielbergo when we need him?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST


    by turketron

    I would like to pledge my allegiance to TFD for scabbing for the rest of season 2 of Heroes. That is one show that could use a healthy dose of TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION in every episode. JUST BRING IT! I would also like to commission you to write for all reality television shows. Have a team of people randomly show up on every reality series and assault the cast with paintball guns. Once that gets old (doubt it ever will though) switch it up and have them get attacked randomly by UFC fighters and martial artists. I would GLADLY watch these shows then!!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST

    300 Monkeys

    by Javeyjoe

    Thank you for sparing me from having to write that post.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah,

    by Javeyjoe

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:01 p.m. CST

    I got into the industry because I love it

    by Mister Man

    And just about any major industry "spits people out" with frequency. There's a lot of soapbox blabbering on this site today - more than usual. And it's surprisingly uninformed.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    The WGA SAG et al.

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Okay, my point on unions is this: Unions are a good thing, much like any other thing, in moderation and well-governed by sane and wise folks.<p>Unions become corrupted when someone thinks there's a PROFIT to be made out of organizing labor. Without the workers agreeing that certain things are acceptable (work conditions, hours of work, rate of pay).<p>I am pro-Union, because if the people getting paid don't organize, we're WELL behind the people at the top who have layer upon layer and DECADES of organization on their side. Shit, you think that it's a COINCIDENCE that corporations are lobbying to be able to prosecute whistle-blowers? But again, people don't buy US cars, and US automakers have to make layoffs? That's expected, but, if all things being equal, the company decides to shave jobs just to increase front end profits on exiting executives, hell yes threaten to stop working. Share the work, share the profits.<p>I'm a freelance artist, and we do get fucked royally all the time, but, I would NEVER claim that my freelance hobby is worthy of an organization 'designed to protect' me, and exclude others who don't have the means to pay to join, of a 'union'. I just want it known that the UAW and Meat Packer's Union, as well as the Electrician's Union are all troubled and flawed but fundamental systems of worker protection. Shit, how many corporations were clamoring for OSHA to get passed? Or the EOE Act? Fuck that, it takes people and workers to slap the corporations around to act right, Shit, they won't do it themselves, because, as stated by definition a corporation is an amoral entity only concerned with profit.<p>Not evil, but definitely dangerous without a 'control valve'. Fuck, use your heads, and right now, count your fucking lucky stars that Unions made sure your dumb ass wasn't in a fucking factory working 14 hours a day 6 days a week or getting shipped out of state to help out at Work Farms.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST

    wasn't Cosmo Kramer on strike?

    by dioxholster

    it lasted 12 years...u think writers could strike that long. maybe we should raise the minimum wage.

  • To all of you saying "read a book" or "here's a novel idea -- read a book" ... You're posting a in a talkback. Read a Fucking book _yourself_ or get out, and stop trying to make yourself feel better about the aforementioned self.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah,

    by Javeyjoe

    Let's remember that writers are actually the only truly creative talent in film and television. Flame war!!! Seriously, everyone else in an INTERPRETIVE talent. The actors interpret the script as does the director, editor, DOP etc etc etc etc. Try directing a blank page of paper. Try acting a blank page of paper. The absolute truth is that the writers are flexing their muscles to force their bosses to remember that nothing happens without them. Or as one of the great studio bosses once said, "Writers are the most important people in Hollywood, but for the love of God don't tell them."

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST


    by Javeyjoe

    I was talking about writers.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    So, we should start reading more books?

    by The Dum Guy

    Is that what they are trying to tell us?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:10 p.m. CST

    i wrote a book called...

    by dioxholster

    Y...our Anus! u should read that. it empowers u somehow.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    TV writers deserve the big bucks but

    by Samuel Fulmer

    film writers don't. The best written films are the low budget/indy films, where you're not going to make much money anyway. Preaty much anything big budget anymore could've been written by a bum off the street. Remakes,Sequels,Rip-offs, oh my! How will we replace the great talents that write crap like Spider-Man 3 and Transformers?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST


    by Pixelsmack

    First, most of you don't write anything worth a god damn. Most the shows on TV smell of shit more than my hole ridden Hane's after a weekend booze bender. Second, "WAH! WAH! I don't make enough money! I can't buy TWO Ferrari's or the Special Edition Aston Martin! WAH! WAH!" I hope your families all contract Mad Cow and die long insufferable deaths. Thanks for fucking it up for the rest of us who bust out asses corruption and Union free.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Samuel Fulmer

    by Javeyjoe

    Wha!? Um, Godfather 1&2, Jaws, Casablanca, Raiders of the Lost Arc etc etc etc etc etc. Not exactly low budget and certainly very well written movies, to say the least.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    You're all a bunch of selfish, whining fucks

    by WWBD

    WAH WAH WAH, I won't be able to watch Heroes and The Office! WAH WAH WAH. I deserve to be entertained by the boob tube at all times. How dare you take my Soma away from me? Eat it, whiners. Writers gotta get paid.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Reality TV isn't scripted???

    by Norm

    Yeah, whatever. I might actually watch it if it wasn't scripted. I'm supposed to believe that the Black Panther is rooming with the neo-Nazi by pure chance? I'm supposed to believe that every fight and hookup and slap and tear aren't carefully orchestrated? You can see the strings pulled at every step. And if telling someone what to say and do on camera isn't a script, what is?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST

    The actors on 24

    by smackfu

    should just improv the whole season. They know their characters well enough by now, and in all honesty, it would probably be just as good as the last couple of 'scripted' 24 seasons.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Think of it this way....

    by drewlicious

    If someone was witholding money that you deserve that is not significant to them but is to you how would you feel? I just listened to one lady bitching about how the guild stops so many undiscovered and talented writers from even getting a chance. That assesment is bullshit. It's based on nothing but presumption. It's a jungle here and you need more than quality to make it in Hollywood. You need unquenchable desire. Also, could someone please direct me to these talented writers and filmmakers? I've been going on auditions for quite a while now and it's been nothing but pretentious crap. I respect their ambition and perseverence, but still...I think people should understand how difficult real talent is to find. And since it's so rare its' worth every penny.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Ah come on...

    by Javeyjoe

    Whah! I want more money argument is so stupid. They want more money because the studios are making BILLIONS off of their creations and they already see next to none of it and now the studios want to fuck them on DVDs and webcontent almost completely. They're not "crying" they are screaming because they're getting fucked in the ass rather painfully.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Maybe the studios should be a bit more

    by jim

    discerning when releasing DVDs. If they don't want to pay out for shit that will never sell, don't put out the shit that will never sell! Go check Herc's weekly DVD thread to see how much garbage is being churned out on the off-chance someone will buy it.<p>All this strike will accomplish is the studios, to pay the 5 cent increase to writers, will just raise DVD prices by 20%.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    I'm With the Writers!!!

    by bswise

    Yeah, it's really too bad that, after all this time, producers haven't been able to eliminate writers from their process. Maybe someday when it's all AI-scripted nonsense, but NOT TODAY SUITS! Yes, it turns out that your favorite arrogant celebrities CAN'T acually make up the words themselves. Seriously, with distribution models changing fast, there has to be a real agreement on royalties, besides "screw you writers." Still, the WGA is going to take some mighty wallops before this is over. P.S. Way to go Tina Fey for getting out there on the picket line this morning!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Jarvey Joe - Let's try citing a current film

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Like one made in the past 5 years. All those films you cited are well written, but none of them were put out by the current batch of strikers. If we were talking about the 70's then yeah, film writing was much better than TV, but times have changed. Mainstream film writing is in an awful state right now.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    For the love of God, did that have to be said?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST


    by Regina V. Dudley

    I'll be the first to admit that unions in this country are for the most part far from exemplary institutions, but to characterize strikers as "crybabies" moaning about their Ferraris and vacation homes strikes me as being rather facile and misguided. Who exactly are these saintly Everymen, "busting their asses, corruption and union-free?"...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:34 p.m. CST


    by -guyinthebackrow

    You worked at a major studio for years in what you call a "creatively and morally bankrupted place"? Why?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    HEY! Battabattabattabattabattabattabatta...SWING, batta!

    by Cletus Van Damme

    Hecanthithecanthithecanthit...swing, batta!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    They're $5 each but you can haggle 3 for $10.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    We should all submit our names

    by Abominable Snowcone

    to Harry or Mori, and they can create a pool, and for all known upcoming Hollywood projects that will be preempted because of the strike, Harry can randomly choose an AICN TBer to write their version instead, then we call all post our shit, and it would be rilly rilly awesome. Or something.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Samuel Fulmer

    by Javeyjoe

    Mainstream film writing is in an awful state right now. I can't argue with you there. I mean, I could go into a list of stuff but I'm pretty exhausted from reading and responding to the crazy posts people are making. I though tyou were making a blanket statement a la "if a movie is mainstream it is shit". I see it on here sometimes.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    I support the WGA

    by tme2nsb

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Most tired argument I've heard lately....

    by drewlicious

    Anyone can write and anyone can act. That is a half-truth at best. The truth is that not everyone can write well or act well and those can worked with relentless passino to achieve that status. The silly resentment towards actors and writers has boiled over quite a bit lately because of the strike. But when you think of the risk and sacrifce necessary for such a big break don't you think the high pay makes sense for when the work comes?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    You know what should have ended with...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION? Sopranos. That non-ending sucked.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    On one hand

    by Vern

    it sounds like the writers are clearly getting screwed, and they should be getting their fair share of the filthy lucre. So I am with them. If some company is making a bunch of money off their show, they obviously deserve a cut. On the other hand, I have a hard time feeling sorry for these motherfuckers. I heard an interview of a not even hugely successful screenwriter recently and he was talking about the darkest time of his life when he was paid 70 grand for a screenplay AND IT DIDN'T GET MADE. The poor, poor man.<p> What I'm trying to say is that although it would be ethically wrong, I am willing to scab. Please hire me. Whatever stupid show you have, send me 75% of what you usually pay those guys, I will send you some moronic swill, nobody will notice the difference. Let's do this Hollywood, I got bills to pay.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Alonzo Mosely, no yearly income amount for mmbrshp

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    From the site: We [the WGA] work on a unit system (described in detail below*) based on writing employment and/or sales within the Guild's jurisdiction and with a "signatory" company (a company that has signed the Guild's collective bargaining agreement). Depending upon the number of units earned, a writer may be eligible for either Current (full) membership, or Associate (partial) membership.<br><br>Current membership: In order to be eligible for Current membership a writer must acquire a minimum of 24 units in the three years preceding application. Upon final qualification for Current membership, an initiation fee of $2,500 is due, payable to the Writers Guild of America, West.<br><br>Associate membership: A writer may be eligible for Associate membership if he or she has had writing employment and/or sales within the Guild's jurisdiction and with a "signatory" company but has acquired less than 24 units in the three years preceding application. Upon final qualification, Associate membership is available for a total of three years at a cost of $75 per year.<br><br>So, like I said (hope I didn't miss anybody else correcting the misconception), WGA membership is simply based on having made a certain number of sales and paying your dues.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    A moment of you time so you can be enlightened...

    by pantera777

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    oops, I meant YOUR time, LOL (NT)

    by pantera777

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    WGA units

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    24 units = feature length screenplay. 12 units = 90 minute or greater tv production story. 6 units = 30 minute teleplay. Different unit breakdowns for continual industry employment, etc.<br><br>So, basically, sell one screenplay for film and pay your dues and you're in.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Writers should fund their own stuff

    by Samuel Fulmer

    if they want a big chunk of change. You're always going to get screwed when you're not your own boss. Of course when a big company foots the bill, you still get paid and don't have to worry about losing your life savings. Maybe the writers can form their own film/TV version of Image comics!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Four cents

    by Harriet

    That's what the strike is about. The studios make millions of dollars on DVDs and internet downloads -- all of it written by, ahem, writers. And for every DVD sold, the writer gets.... Two cents. Maybe 2 1/2, depending on the numbers. Tops. The writers, arrogant bastards that they are, would like 4 cents per DVD. And something in that neighborhood for internet downloads. Honestly, forget the DVD stuff entirely -- they'd settle for 4 cents on internet downloads. And the studios refuse to give it to them. Refuse. As in, walked out of the room and won't come back. But hey, blame the writers. You're right, it's a totally easy job. That's why it takes almost a month of 80 hour work weeks to produce a single script. Because it's so easy to do. And no, I'm not a writer, but I work with writers. I'm laid off, thanks to this strike and I'm still behind the WGA 100%.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Samuel Fulmer

    by pantera777

    Look what happened to Image Comics.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    So no new South Park, right?

    by SebastianHaff

    Since they write and shoot the show week by week. Unlike Lost, the South Park boys don't have anything ready to go do they? Which is a shame, because if anybody would have an interesting opinion on all this, it'd be Matt and Trey. And this has been such a great season for them. Dammit. Just... dammit.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    so far my favorite responses

    by necgray

    are the political/economic ones and the guys who are saying "fuck the WGA, hire me". The political/economic ones are funny just because anyone on Aint It Cool News arguing a real position on anything is funny. Not that I disagree with doing it, it just seems out of place. The guys spewing invective at the WGA and begging to get hired by Hollywood are the biggest bunch of hypocrite assholes here. I see how it is. Writer suck because you're not one of them. Fucking pathetic. I'll bet if you douchebags got a call from a TV studio to write a weekly show a year ago you'd be on that picket line right with everyone else. It's easy to badmouth a group when you so desperately want to be a member.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Bitter Screenwriters Unite!

    by carneguisada

    Screenwriters have historically been screwed and deserve so much more credit, money and respect than they are ever given. I'm glad they're on strike and I hope they hold out til they get what they deserve.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    So, could the Writers Guild of Mexico take their jobs?

    by The Dum Guy

    What about shooting films in other countries, like Australia, what effect does that have on a union in America?<br><br>I dunno, I thought the reason given on SNL was convincing (, those poor studios aren't always going to be in the black.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST


    by J-Dizzle

    Seriously, the idea of shit writers striking is incomprehensible. "Yes, I'm one of the writers on Cavemen, NOW GIVE ME MORE MONEY BITCHES!"

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Elvis Cole Lives

    by Alonzo Mosely

    To get in you have to sell a script to a "signatory", which in reality would pay Writers Guild minimum (again any members of the Guild tell me if I am wrong) which is way more than $35,000. After that you have to pay your yearly dues and if you want any of the benefits (health care etc) you have to have made above the $35,000 (or whatever the magic number is)...<p> So again I doubt any member of the guild is seriously making $5,000 a year. I think the average is $200,000, which obviously means some guy is making 2 million and some other guy is scraping by on the same as an assistant manager at a grocery store, but nobody is seriously able to get into the guild and then pull an income of $5,000...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    WGA = Crypto-Fascist ?

    by rosasaks

    Obviously the writers are getting screwed and need to be recompensed properly. But seriously, what's the fucking deal with the writer's guild? It seems it's compulsory to belong to this union, otherwise they threaten to blacklist you so you can "never work in this town again". I mean, what the fuck? Shouldn't it be each person's choice whether they want to be represented by this organisation? Where do they get off telling everybody what they can and can't do with regards to this strike? Who made the WGA King? What happened to civil liberties? Can they really blackmail writers with this "cross our picket line and you're fucked" bullshit? How can their behaviour be legal? And if they negotiated such a crap deal to begin with why would anybody want anything to do with them? Why not start a proper union that doesn't try to own you just as bad as the studios.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST


    by Javeyjoe

    Writers are the creators of their work, STORIES. Do you believe musicians should be paid if the songs they create are used in movies or commercials? Your argument is like saying the guys who programmed Final Draft should get residuals for scripts written using their program.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST


    by TruPhan

    By your own logic, musicians should only be paid upfront and not gather any royalties for every CD that is sold since their job was to write and perform the music, not press the CDs, ship them, and market them to the general public. I'm not saying that's wrong, I'm just saying that the stance you take proposes this idea.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST

    No writers? The porn industry's screwed.

    by Pipple

    Who else will be write such brilliant lines as "fuck me harder! Oh, yes! Baby Yes!" ?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST


    by TruPhan

    Didn't see that JaveyJoe hit that similar point before me.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Pissback atcha monarchy loving right-wingers

    by lettersoftransit

    Saying that unions are what's wrong with this country is missing the point by a mile. Colluding corporations with government in their pocket is the real problem. All the major studios enjoy monopolistic use of certain public property (airwaves, spectrum, cable and internet access, etc.) which is supposed to bestow upon them lots of added responsibilities, including a heightened responsibility not to collude and fix prices, wages, etc. But they get a pass, in part because the quid pro quo is that unions also get to form a power bloc to negotiate with them. Just because we've got a government that lets them piss on any and all their responsibilities, and to piss on the concept of collective bargaining, doesn't mean the unions are the problem. he problem is that our government thinks it represents dollars instead of people, and that there's no such thing as too much leeway for corporations. By the way, as to foreign produtions, why oh why does everybody insist on thinking that the only way foreign countries can make movies is to be employess of the american majors. You've been totally brainwashed by the US majors into thinking you have to do whatever the f they say and you can't make your own movies and you can't insist quotes for your own product in your own country; the only thing you can do with your sovereign state is to give money to the US majors so they produce a few films in your country anjd people will get to say they saw nicole kidman at the local five star motel, and then once another country offers more money they say f you now we're going to another place that is cheaper a/o offers more. then you're left with all your money, and your trained work force, and your studio space, and all those empty theaters, and your sovereign state, once again thinking gee the only way to be in the movie business is to lure hollywood majors back here somehow because they make all the rules and we have no choice but to do what they say...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    the prophecy of a glorious return to 70s filmmaking

    by Prossor

    i've read countless times how there will be a change sometime eventually in the corrupt money-absorbed studios, how it can't go on like this forever, how there will be a regime change and art will flourish on celluloid once again. this may be one of the steps!!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    I hope Tray and Matt

    by TruPhan

    wrote an episode in preparation, should just an event occur, that has their two cents on the whole topic. Even if they didn't, can they just pretend that they wrote the episode last week?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    South Park

    by ACE NY

    Animation writers aren't Shakespearean enough to belong to the WGA....

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Wnanahara7, you argument is faulty

    by jim

    The writers don't want to get paid everytime someone views their creation, but rather everytime it is sold. Using you as an example, it would be similar to you getting 5 or 10 cents everytime a guitar you made got sold. You helped make the guitar and if quality of workmanship has anything to do with sales, shouldn't you get a piece of the sale? <p>Does your company give bonuses or offer profit-sharing? If so, then you too are being paid more than for simply doing your job. You are getting paid because the company made a profit on the product you had a hand in creating.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    While they're at it...

    by rosasaks

    How come all the really good writers who were smart enough to realise they better become producers or directors too in order to protect their work from getting the shaft and give themselves a shot at actually getting paid weren't smart enough to start their own guild for people who write and produce and direct? This stuff about showrunners not knowing what they can and can't do on their own shows makes them sound like fuckwits.And clearly they're not. I bet they weren't dumb enough to sign up for 3 cents per DVD.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Trey and Matt are in the WGA?

    by Jack Burton

    For some reason I think they would do whatever the hell they want strike or no strike. Those 2 kind of march to their own drummer and obviously care not about burning bridges. And good for them. But I support the WGA strike, the writers have been getting screwed for far too long.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Prossor-They're not striking for the art

    by Samuel Fulmer

    they're striking for cash. If they were striking because they're sick of having to write scripts for junk films then I would be all for it. That's not the case. It's motivated by the lust for more cash, not for a better artform. What these screenwriters should do is get together, form their own company, and put out their own films. They can't do that though because then what they do might not be a success, and unlike when they create a bomb for the studio, their own capital would be at risk then. And honestly, it you're the genius that wrote something like Transformers, how much should you get paid. I think the people doing the effects on a film like that should be getting a bigger cut of the future profits (i.e. internet downloads/DVD) then the weakest link of the whole enterprise.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Hey, at least we still have January!

    by GravyAkira

    Season 5 of The Wire baby!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    That is an interesting point

    by TruPhan

    about creating a whole new writer's guild. Could scabs, theoretically, form their own guild if enough of them got together and undercut the current one? That might forego any sort of blacklisting that they would receive, but at the same time, excludes them from the perks that come with being part of the WGA. <p>On the other hand though, Hollywood is a tough business to break into if you don't have someone doing you a favor, and God-forbid you send in your script <i>unsolicited</i>, so maybe it'd be worth it for the scabs to lose the perks just to initiate such a regime change.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST

    All I care about is LOST

    by Pizza The Hut

    All the other shows can go to hell in a handbasket anyway, where they belong. I don't give a shit.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Residuals or Cock Punch?

    by _Maltheus_

    Ultimately, I think the writers should be the highest paid people working on the shows. But I'm conflicted in the same way that I'm conflicted over raising teachers' salaries. To attract competent talent, they need to offer more, but the current talent deserves nothing more than a cock punch. I do think their request is reasonable, but unions clearly hurt me as a consumer, so I wish the studios would just stop doing business with union members. I think the ideal solution would be to hire non-union writers and give them the benefits that the union ones are asking for. Never give the union workers anything more and eventually, they'll go away. I think beyond this strike, the larger issue is the declining quality of all Hollywood products, across the board. The only two shows that I still see quality in are Pushing Daisies and Dexter. The rest, is just crap that I sort of like on a good day.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST


    by Prossor

    yeah that's true, but this could be one of the dominoes in that grand return of 70s utopia!!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:47 p.m. CST

    average wage discussion

    by oisin5199

    Ok, first of all, let's forget about the fact that this whole 'they shouldn't be complaining because they make enough money' bullshit is completely irrelevant and besides the point, since the writers are clearly not getting their fair share of residuals (money they've earned). It doesn't matter how much money they make. If the studio is unfairly stiffing them and refusing to compromise on it, then they have a legitimate complaint. <p>But leaving aside all that. Where does this "average wage" figure come from? I admit I was a bit off before - I got the 5K number from a screenwriter's blog, so it is a bit low. I decided to go to the source and look at the WGA annual report ( A number from the report is $38, 740 - what 25% of the members made (or less than) in 2005. So, say it is about 38,000 a year. First, that assumes that they are employed. Next to SAG, WGA has one of the highest unemployment rates in the industry (about 55% of the WGA members were employed in 2005). Secondly, 35,000 is freakin' peanuts and you can barely support yourself on that, let alone a family. And then try living in LA or New York where the cost of living is insane, and the fact that your agent and your lawyer get a cut. Meanwhile, studios continue to rake in cash from a product that wouldn't exist without your particular contribution. The writers aren't looking for your sympathy (thanks anyway, Vern) - they're looking to get paid fairly based on revenue from their product. Simple as that.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Copyright is screwed up anyway.

    by rosasaks

    It allows some asshole to say "I wrote a number two hit record in 1973 so I deserve to be paid a gazillion bucks a year forevermore and not work for a living because the entertainment industry is the most profoundly important endeavour known to human kind." FUCK OFF! That said, if money is generated by art I'd rather see a fair share go to the creator than all get syphoned off by greedy corporations that abuse their monopoly of distribution to accumulate the wealth needed to monopolise the accumulation of wealth. But even so,that only happens because we have a society with screwed up values that insists on throwing our money away en masse to this oligarch of snake oil peddlers. On a separate note, it will be interesting to see who carves up the manufacturers profits once everything goes fully digital.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST


    by Elvis Cole Lives

    I *KNOW* writer's guild members. Not a single one of them have ever had a screenplay produced. Not one. But they have sold options and, unless I'm mistaken (I'm e-mailing one of them now), signatory minimums payments don't go into effect until the writer is a guild member. Therefore, one may sell or option a script for less than guild minimums and THEN become a guild member (at which point, all future guild sales will be within guild guidelines). All three members that I know have NEVER seen their names on screen and all work in peripheral industries to make ends meat. For instance, two of them work for video game companies, one for Buena Vista and the other for the guys that did the Hulk game a couple of years ago. Nonetheless, at least one of them uses the Writer's Guild credit union (believe he used it to finance either his car or house). They also don't get the "benefits" that you mentioned (health care, pension, etc.). I could be shaky on this, but I'm damned certain that they're members (I've seen their cards and I've heard them discussing this). I'm also DAMNED certain that none of them is making more than $35,000 a year from the film industry/writing. I'm also pretty sure that each of them has no more than one or two things that got them in, though they continue to pay dues and maintain membership.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST


    by TruPhan


  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    That's ends MEET

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    Fuck, there goes MY WGA membership. Although the porn industry writers are calling now - Ends Meat IV - Gonzo-rama!!!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Prossor-Let's hope you're right

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Because the past few years of cinema have felt as awful as the early to mid-60's but let's substitute the awful overbloated muscials and epics of that time with the current glut of C.G.I. crapfests and horrid remakes.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:54 p.m. CST

    by Omar B

    These posts likening writing a script to fixing a toilet or restringing a guitar must realize the difference between intellectual property(art) and physical property that you work on but is not yours. Let me try to make it simpler, an auther writes a book and it is published then he gets paid for it, if the publishers took the book and put the text of the entire thing on the net, charge money for it but don't pay the author because his initial deal did not cover them using it on the net it would be a similar situation. These writers are not trying to screw anyone over for money, they are trying to get paid for work they did and are not being paid for even though money is being collected. We all like getting paid for the work we do, not in part but in full and the writers want the same. If you have a complaint about the quality of the work being produced then don't support crap and it'll go away. In most cases these are good writers trying to write a good story around a crap premise while pleasing cast, crew and studio.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Oh, and....

    by oisin5199

    I really hope people are being sarcastic when they actually make arguments for writers getting paid based on quality. If Transformers is shit, that's irrelevant. If it makes a crapload of money, then the writer deserves his fair share. Doesn't matter if the script is bad. If the market of moviegoers decided it was worth their ten bucks, you get paid. The market decides, not fans and their arbitrary criteria of quality. That's how it works. And I'm really surprised if I have to remind people of that.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Analyzing the "they make enough" argument

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    As a capitalist myself, it's galling to hear others criticize the strike from a capitalist perspective.<br><br>Quite simply, who the fuck are YOU (the "they make enough" crowd) to decide what's enough for them?<br><br>I mean, I'm VERY pro-business, pro-capitalism, but I'm certainly not going to let that blind me to the fact that these writers offer their services in the free market and have decided that it's in their best interests to collectively bargain. The writers as a group have decided that a portion of the financial pie is being unfairly withheld from them and they've decided to withhold their services until some sort of resolution can be attained. That's pretty fucking simple.<br><br>What kind of command-economy bullshit drives me, you, or anybody else to decide what's "enough" for anybody?<br><br>We can decide what we'll pay and buy (or not buy) accordingly. Similarly, we all decide what we'll work for and almost ALL of us tries to get the absolute MOST for our time and effort.<br><br>Why the fuck should the writers be any different and who the fuck are WE to tell them what they should work for?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST


    by TallBoy66

    Hot damn! Check it out, they got a promo for a new ep up on South Park studios: Its a, uh, Guitar Hero episode. Okay.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Screw the Writers and Screw the Studios

    by James Westfall

    Both sides are full of greedy pricks. I remember the last strike. I hope this one lasts twice as long and is four times as expensive. Just like a baseball strike, the only ones who truly get screwed are the fans. At least with a Hollywood strike I can enjoy a Commie Lib vs. Commie Lib civil war.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    At least we're in for some really clever signs...

    by TheRealSeveren

    the protest chants should be a great way for all these Ivy leaguers to scratch their writers itch. Although I was a little disappointed seeing Tina Fey in front of the Rock shouting,"What do we want?" "CONTRACTS!" "When do we want em?" "NOW!" Cmon guys, you can do better than that...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Comparison with Novels

    by rosasaks

    Don't most authors retain a large degree of control over their work? Screenwriters are fucked because they're basically treated like the hired help. Perhaps there should be legal reform of who precisely owns artistic collaborations. Particularly now that electronic technology is removing the old chestnut about manufacturing/distribution. Perhaps the studios should be compelled to incorporate the creators of a work as business partners on that specific production?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    oh and one thing I dont get about reality shows...

    by TheRealSeveren

    now going into production to compensate for the strike. THese shows have an insane amount of writers so how are they being fast-tracked especially when one of the reasons the WGA is striking is to object to the lack of coverage and protection for writers in reality tv and animation. Seems lke all shows will suffer not just the sitcom, daily shows and dramas. I really dont care as long as LOST isnt effected.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I'd pay to hear that chant.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Imagine if the NFL...

    by rosasaks

    Paid Quarter Backs three cents from every ticket sold at home games.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    On Copyrights and royalty payments

    by Norm

    Following up on Rosasaks point, you MUST take copyright into consideration. I don't see any of these anti-union, anti-royalty types arguing that copyrights should be recinded. But what is the difference?..........Lets look at a TV episode. The script is written, the set built, the scene filmed, the episode aired and the ad revenue collected. The writers and set crew and actors are all paid from the ad revenue and the studio keeps the profit..........So I have to ask all the 'Fuck the Writers' folk, if the writers don't deserve any more money for the work they did, then why does the studio? Why does the studio get to copyright the show and sell it over again for reruns, or to other networks or DVD? Why do they get to sell merchandise?............If you want to be consistent and argue against royalties AND copyrights simultaneously, fine. Otherwise, all you anti-strikers have to support pirated DVD sales. Because if the writers don't deserve royalty payments, neither do the studios. The only guy making money off DVD sales should be the guy that did the actual work of making/selling that particular copy, not the studio that created it.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    lol TheRealSeveren

    by _Maltheus_

    That about sums up the strike for me. These people can't even come up with original chants but they want to be seen as struggling artists.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:29 p.m. CST


    by TruPhan

    Ticket sales don't influence how much the players get paid?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST

    More like 8 cents!

    by TheRealSeveren

    Writers are only getting 4c per dvd sale right now and they want 8 which seems reasonable to me. <p> Hey, comics arent covered by the WGA right? So isnt this a great thing for the comic book community? The best writers in the industry will now be coming over to work for DC and MARVEL so the dip in quality in TV should be proportional to the rise in quality for comics. See, there's always a silver lining...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    If Jon Stewart is supposed to be some brilliant mind

    by TheBloop

    Why does that smarmy fuck write his own material for the Daily show during the strike? Answer me that moonbats....

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Id love to see a 30Rock ep...

    by TheRealSeveren

    where they incorporate the strike into the show. Have it all be live and improv with Alec Baldwin making fun of Tina Fey being in line and having a sign that isnt funny. If I was making a sign as a writer it really would be hard for me to not think of a pun to show the AMPTP what theyre missing!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Elvis Cole Lives

    by Alonzo Mosely

    Thanks for the civilized discussion... Rare round these parts... If you get some more inside information then that would be welcome in this thread, seeing as so much of what is posted here is absolutely pulled out of somebodies ass... <p> In the end though if you managed to get into the guild via an option and never got anything made, then that is an issue with the overall system in Hollywood or you are a poor writer who lucked into the option. The real meat is about a writer who does produce something and how much he gets paid at the time, how much he gets in royalties, and what protection he has from being screwed by the industry (having his name taken off the script to be replaced by an actor who changed two lines or whatever). My support is 100% for the writers, no question, I just took issue with the initial idea that members of the guild are making $5,000 a year. As if writers were some special group who made less than illegal dishwashers...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    I'm with the writers!

    by Larry of Arabia

    There is a famous accounting sheet that says how the movie "Ransom" actually lost money for the studio even though it made $309,000,000 in theaters 1996. That's not counting DVD and other residuals. This is the kind of accounting Hollywood Studios use. The writers need to get their money upfront and at a flat rate or they will get nothing. Upfront, for the typical Hollywood hit, the writer can make as little as 1% of what the film grosses. On TV it's even less. Think about that. You can have the best director and cast in the world, but without a script nothing works.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    The why doesn't Letterman/Steward/Conan...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    write their own stuff is asked over and over. With the poster thinking they are ohhh soooo clever. Anybody who has written something for TV or Film in the US is almost guaranteed to be in the guild. You don't have to be a full-time do-nothing-else writer to be a member.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    On royalty payments in general

    by Norm

    The people complaining about shitty writers being overpaid also seem to lack a fundamental understanding of how royalty payments actually work. You see, a royalty is a percentage of SALES. Which means of course, for a shitty writter to get royalties, they have to first write something that sells. I fail to see how a contract with higher royalty gives more money to a tallentless hack if their work doesn't sell. Really, 90% of the comments on this thread don't make a damn bit of sense. Do you think the DVD box set of Step by Step is flying off the shelves compared to Lost? So the writers of Step by Step and Lost ARE being paid in direct relation to the quality of their work. What exactly are you complaining about?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Can somebody explain a few things?

    by rosasaks

    Last season 24 had TWELVE executive producers in the opening credits. Plus a bunch more with lesser titles. Lots of these were basically staff writers who probably have lucrative multi-season contracts. Do they get paid on top of that for each episode they are credited with, and then again for residuals etc? Would they all pick up two pay checks, one for writing, one for producing? Is the aim of TV writing to sell a few scripts and then get a gig on a big show where the money is better and more guaranteed? Are those people who do make it fairly well looked after, they just think they ought to get a fairer cut of the boom in DVD sales etc? Are the people struggling at the bottom striking for different reasons? Does it even make sense for established folk and up and comers to belong to the same union, when those with experience will have a much broader skill set of managing aspects of production day to day to varying degrees? Furthermore, does the person credited with writing an episode always necessarily deserve to be credited for it in perpetuity? People buy box sets of seasons, not individual episodes, and often these have story arcs that are written by the show runner or by committee. They'll be polished and redrafted too. Isn't the whole point of all those production credits that often there's a case of multiple authorship, or that things aren't necessarily how they seem? For instance does anybody really believe most of the episodes of Deadwood not credited to David Milch were really written by somebody else in any true sense? Does anybody honestly believe David Simon and Ed Burns weren't basically responsible for entire seasons of The Wire? Does it mean anything whatsoever to have a single writer credited with an episode of The Simpsons? Seems to me the WGA's whole approach is screwed up anyway, no wonder its so easy for the studios to rip them off. People deserve to be properly compensated but the whole industry takes itself way too seriously if you ask me. When I buy a can of baked beans should the label have a list of everybody who works for Heinz?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST


    by Elvis Cole Lives

    What the hell are you talking about? Seriously, I have NO idea.<br><br>"Don't most authors retain a large degree of control over their work?" What does that question even mean? What is a "large degree of control?" Look, if you're trying to compare screenwriters with novelists, it's ALMOST apples and oranges. A published novelist MAY receive an advance on his work (really a pittance) against future sales of the novel. Essentially, what you get (in book) is what the author delivered -- typed words on a page. What you get in a theater is a VAST collaboration between at least one screenwriter, producers, actors, cinematographers, set designers, directors, studio execs, and various and sundry other industry types. To write "INT. WAREHOUSE - AFTERNOON. Dim light strains through holes in the rotting wooden walls, dances through drifting dust. Two WORKERS unload a crate from an old truck." is ONLY the beginning and those few simple words can be interpreted in myriad ways. Screenwriters may SCADS more than most published authors, even when the screenwriters NEVER see their works produced. "Compelled to incorporate the creators of a work as business partners on that specific production?" Again, what does that even mean? It sounds good, but it really doesn't MEAN anything. Screenwriters are paid and paid well, even when their works never see the light of day. You'll notice that, despite all the up-to-the-minute gobbledy-gook you're spouting, the writers AREN'T striking because they're not making enough per screenplay or rewrite or option. They're striking because an agreement has not yet been met in the very new media that you seem to be heralding. Sort of. I guess. None of the writers on strike is looking to reinvent the relationship between the studios and themselves ("artistic collaborations" and "electronic technology removing old chestnuts"!?!?!) and this strike really has less to do with some techno-buzz-talk about "remaking paradigms" and more to do with the dollars and cents that are currently being denied them.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Civilized discussion?

    by TheRealSeveren

    Actually, If you compare these boards to others around the net Id say we're the beacon of light illuminating the otherwise dark abyss of cyberworld. So, maybe its not so rare to hear a civilized discusssion on here. Furthermore, if youre going to commend someone for their civility better it be someone who didnt use the word "fuck" over and over again, right? By the way, I respect all of you.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:47 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack<p> HEE!!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Oops - and NOW with breaks so you can read it

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    What the hell are you talking about? Seriously, I have NO idea.<br><br>"Don't most authors retain a large degree of control over their work?" What does that question even mean? What is a "large degree of control?"<br><br>Look, if you're trying to compare screenwriters with novelists, it's ALMOST apples and oranges. A published novelist MAY receive an advance on his work (really a pittance) against future sales of the novel. Essentially, what you get (in book) is what the author delivered -- typed words on a page.<br><br>As you know, what you get in a theater is a VAST collaboration between at least one screenwriter, producers, actors, cinematographers, set designers, directors, studio execs, and various and sundry other industry types.<br><br>To write:<br><br>"INT. WAREHOUSE - AFTERNOON. Dim light strains through holes in the rotting wooden walls, dances through drifting dust. Two WORKERS unload a crate from an old truck..."<br><br>Is ONLY the beginning and those few simple words can be interpreted in myriad ways.<br><br>Screenwriters make SCADS more than most published authors, even when the screenwriters NEVER see their works produced and they ARE "hired help."<br><br>"Compelled to incorporate the creators of a work as business partners on that specific production?" Again, what does that even mean? It sounds good, but it really doesn't MEAN anything.<br><br>Screenwriters are paid and paid well, even when their works never see the light of day. You'll notice that, despite all the up-to-the-minute gobbledy-gook you're spouting, the writers AREN'T striking because they're not making enough per screenplay or rewrite or option. They're striking because an agreement has not yet been met in the very new media that you seem to be heralding. Sort of. I guess.<br><br>None of the writers on strike is looking to reinvent the relationship between the studios and themselves ("artistic collaborations" and "electronic technology removing old chestnuts"!?!?!) and this strike really has less to do with some techno-buzz-talk about "remaking paradigms" and more to do with the dollars and cents that are currently being denied them.<br><br>There. Sorry about that, but more readable now.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    TheRealSeveren, you respect ME?!?!?!?!

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    You REALLY respect me!<br><br>So, uh, I guess that thing you walked in on with me and that mule and the two midgets and the webcam didn't bother you at all, huh? Nice. Guess I'll have to try harder then. :p

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    The product has to sell for the publisher and author (and his/her agent) to make any significant money. In publishing, authors are given an advance on those royalties and if the sales don't cover the advance, the author still keeps the overage. It's a fair arrangement, given that the publisher does a lot to get the books out (production, distribution, promotion, etc.). And an author gets about 15% to 20% of gross sales - based on selling price. If writers of hit movies and TV got anywhere near that, they'd be in the Fortune Top 50. But they DO NOT. If all they're asking for is 4 or 8 CENTS per DVD (roughly 0.2 to 0.8 = LESS THAN 1%) of DVD sales, then fucking give it to them. <p> Jesus Christ!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    THAT'S .2% TO .8%

    by BringingSexyBack

    That's fucking miniscule ...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST


    by oisin5199

    Um, asshat, he's not. The clip with his comments was the last show before they went dark, before the strike was official. If you had paid attention, you'd know that.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I respect all my bitches and hoes.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Hey, Norm, what's going down?

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    My ass on that barstool! Fucking loved Cheers. Anyway, well said on your "90% of the comments on this thread don't make a damn bit of sense" rant. It seems too many here confuse "what I like" with "quality writing." They have no idea what they're complaining about, but, like me, they LOVE to hear the sound of their fingers on keys and see their pseudonyms in lights, figuratively speaking of course. Just cause they can type it don't mean it makes sense. Not one of them realizes or recognizes that this is a market economy NOT a "quality economy" (whatever the fuck that might be).

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST

    ATTN: Elvis Cole Lives... haha!

    by TheRealSeveren

    Hey, I said I respect you NOT that I condone your sexual proclivities!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    Hoes? And which am I a "bitch" or a "hoe

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    As in "garden tools?"

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    Hoes? And which am I a "bitch" or a "hoe"

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    As in "female dog" or "garden tool?"

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Condone? Respect?

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    What's the difference? Just help me get this midget's head outta this mule's ass! BringingSexyBack can't breath in there much longer.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    The tool. <p>hehe

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    What happened to our civilized discussion?

    by TheRealSeveren

    Im now ashamed to know some of you...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Sorry, I'm just waiting for 8PM to arrive

    by BringingSexyBack

    dancing with the stars ...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST

    You OBVIOUSLY didn't knock on wood, Severen

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    I mean, seriously, you HAVE been on this site before. It just about ain't a talkback unless some asshat (new favorite word) gets banned.<br><br>And, while you may be ashamed to know some of us, will you PLEASE help me get BSB's head outta this mule's ass!<br><br>For real, these motherfuckers smell bad on the *OUT*side. I can't imagine what sort of hell BSB's going through...<br><br>Oh, wait. Never mind.<br><br>Looks like he just ATE his way out.<br><br>Wipe your mouth off, BSB. A mule-shit mustache is unbecoming.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    I'm with the writers on this one

    by ctsamurai

    As it sounds, I can agree with the strike's principles. But I'm kind of surprised that the union has shot themselves in the foot on previous negotiations, and that obviously doesn't bode well for where these negotations will be going. But it just makes sense to treat these writers with some freakin' respect. And while there are some (the few lucky ones) who get paid well regardless of how their material does, there are so many more "workaday" writers who are getting screwed out of money that should rightly go to them and not McG. It's the problem of this relatively rare profession combined with the demands of a humongous industry. But good luck to 'em!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    It really makes no sense.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    What about the consumers?

    by Larry Sellers

    Will more royalties not up the prices of our precious DVD box sets? I'm not being sarcastic, either. How does this affect the people who Hollywood is around to entertain in the first place?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Wouldnt a writer with any confidence in their work

    by JackieJokeman

    want to negotiate their own deals and not rely on a union?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Good point Larry Sellers...

    by TheRealSeveren

    The right thing for the AMPTP is to take a cut in their profit share when they double what the writers make per dvd instead of raising the cost to make up for that loss. Hopefully, that will happen and show other corporations that it isnt competely insane to keep both sides happy by being a little less greedy. It would be a good example of what I like to call Ethical Capitalism instead of the tunnel vision philosophy that whatever increases profit is always the direction to go in.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:25 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    If not, then a union is pretty much a necessity. Agents can get a client a great deal, but if you dont got one, then you're entering a den of lions when negotiating.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    How much writers really make...

    by spirals

    "Working writers ON AVERAGE earn over $200,000 a year" Source: Variety article on the current strike (

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST

    That's kind of... a lot

    by spirals

    Dont 'cha think?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST

    The WGA should ask for a cut of advertiser's profits.

    by rosasaks

    Writer creates TV show. Viewers watch TV show. Viewers see adverts during TV show they like. Viewers buy products from advertiser. Ergo writer is directly responsible for generating revenue for advertisers. Network indirectly pays writers from advertising revenues, but why not go straight to the source? WGA should demand shares in major sponsors.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:34 p.m. CST

    What about those foreign tv sales the WGA owes its members?

    by Uncapie

    There was this great article in the L.A. Weekly about this woman who blew the whistle on the WGA for holding back monies owed to their writers or their heirs because they couldn't locate them. Why aren't the members pissed off about that?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Don't understand why

    by Larry Sellers

    unions have lost popularity in recent times. It's something like 1/10 Americans are in unions nowadays. Why be in a union? Why not negotiate your own deals since it's your money in the first place? There's strength in numbers, my friend. Especially when those numbers all cooperate and talk at the same time. At some point people just stopped respecting themselves. This strike though, and the $200k/yr Variety claims...seems a bit greedy. I've always thought that writers didn't get enough respect in the industry. It is their ideas after all that fuel the Hollywood economy. But royalties? Really? They appear to be handsomely paid for their time and effort. And how many TV shows and movies can we honestly say are worth our time and money in the first place? I wonder if they bothered asking themselves if all this fuss is even worth it?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    This kills me...

    by Lyrael

    No Lost until possibly late February!? Noooo, I feel like I've been waiting forever already! Damn you, WGA!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    1,000,000 <BR> 1,000,000 <BR> 3,000 <BR> 70,000 <BR> 20,000 <BR> 50,000 <BR> 30,000 <BR> 10,000 <BR> 8,000 <BR> 12,000 <BR> 5,000 <BR> 80,000 <BR> <P> AVERAGE = 190,667 <P>Unless you're making the $1 Million, you'd definitely want a better share of the pie.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    oisin5199, please pay attention, you goat whore

    by TheBloop

    FROM MSNBC (updated 5 minutes ago) KTLA-TV reported that fans of the “Ellen” talk show were told at the NBC lot that there would be no taping on Monday. Comedy Central previously said “The Daily Show with Jon Stewart” and “The Colbert Report” would likely go into repeats as well.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST

    So does this mean

    by toshiro-solo

    That we'll finally get to see the third issue of "Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine"?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST


    by oisin5199

    ooooohkay, let's get this straight: You asked "Why does that smarmy fuck write his own material for the Daily show during the strike?" <p> I answered, he's not. He's going into repeats. <p>and then you quote a news item that confirms what I said. <p>So am I missing something? Or did you just prove me right and your own initial statement wrong?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Reality TV IS scripted, but LARGELY non-union.

    by Brians Life

    That's WHY reality shows have to shoot outside of Los Angeles for the most part, to avoid the grief that comes with the unions knockin' on your door. Not that I'm defending reality or knockin' the WGA...I'm all for the writers in this. I'm a non-union writer (ie not working) and I believe that the transfer to ANY other medium should require creator compensation. And if any of you'd take a moment to read the facts, you'll see the studios have a pretty fucking LOUSY argument about DVD and the internet being an "unproven market".....Shameful. And let's not make it seem that EVERY writer on strike lives in the Hills, makes 6 figures a week and drives an escolade.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 5:59 p.m. CST


    by Brians Life

    I think that book has gone the way of the dodo and every comic that Kevin Smith has ever written.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6 p.m. CST

    spirals - don't believe Variety

    by oisin5199

    I'm sorry, but Variety is full of shit. Those numbers are just wrong. Look at the WGA Annual Report I linked to. Less than 1/4 of the screenwriters in the guild make that much money. But again, how much money they already make is irrelevant here - if they're getting screwed, they're getting screwed.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    If this means that Carson Daly will disappear

    by Pizza The Hut

    --then it will have all been worth it.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST

    The WGA strike is on very dangerous territory...

    by qweruiop

    ...for their own writers because as already mentioned in another post, there's a lot of independent writers out there who would be happy to replace these picketers. Loyalty to your fellow writer means nothing when it means a once in a million chance to write in Hollywood and become a success. As former Marvel President Terry Stewart famously said to the future Image comic founders who wanted to leave if their demands weren't met, "There will always be people ready to pick the cotton". And unlike the Image guys, who in their unique situation could easily start a new company to venture off in and create their ideas, where will the WGA writers go if the studios call their bluff? The writers can't obviously start a new studio to have their scripts made into movies. Can't they see that they're killing their own importance. And if any of the WGA writers claim that they're needed because they have the specific insight to continue writing the characters that they helped create for movies/TV shows, when was the last time that that ever really became an issue? An idea can easily be shared/written/continued/expanded upon by another writer. If the writer for a Batman movie refuses to write the sequel unless "X" demands are met, I'm pretty sure the studios will just hire another writer knowing that the people will still come see the movie for the movie and not for the writer. Writers are not like actors because their name does not make the movie/tv show (unless you're really popular, like J.J. Abrams or David E. Kelley, whose name alone brings in millions of viewers). That is why their claim has no substance, and why they will either be replaced or have to eventually (because they can't strike forever and continue not making any income) accept a deal that falls below than what they wanted.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    WGA web TV? Daily comedy shows on the web?

    by Oknight

    Can WGA teams from striking shows like Daily Show, Letterman, etc put out their own web shows? Writing content power might show execs just how the world HAS changed. WGA web tv?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    I saw Damon Lindelof picketing on TV

    by CherryValance

    that made me grumpy. I want my LOST now!!! If it gets pushed back anymore than it already is, I may finally completely and utterly lose what's left of my mind.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Is part of the problem...

    by rosasaks

    A film usually opens with a credit more or less asserting authorship by a director and by a production company. Then only later do you get the written by, produced by, directed by credits. In SOME instances wouldn't it be appropriate for the writer to be given equal respect in terms of who the film nominally belongs to, from a creative standpoint? Is this lack recognition symptomatic of the attitude which means the writers get short shrift when it comes round to sharing out the royalties, at least in comparison to the producer and the director? It seems in TV they're more appreciated with the head writer usually getting a fairly prominent executive producer and/or created by nod. Might this be extended to the movies, with writers automatically being afforded a production credit in view of their input developing the project at the beginning, thus putting them on equal footing with the producers who manage the project later, from the point of view of revenue streams? Is there not a case for cinematographers and editors receiving this treatment too? The film industry seems to be in a fortunate position in one respect with regards to new media. It still cost a hell of a lot of money to make a movie that looks up to standard. So the studios are in less danger of becoming obsolete than the record companies are. But it would be totally myopic of them not to realise that technology is altering business models across the entertainment industry, and questions are being asked about what the value is of art, who deserves to profit from it, and how it should be consumed. If they ignore this conversation because they presume they have the right to retain the same measure of power over the industry that they've always had, they might wake up one day and find they've gone the way of the dinosaurs. In the same way that music is increasingly becoming free, and might come to be seen as mere advertising for live shows where bands make their real money, perhaps the whole royalties on DVDs is a total red herring. Before long everybody's going to be streaming whatever the hell they want for free anyway. The trick is going to be to entice audiences back to the big screen experience. Even home video is a relatively new phenomenon. That entire market never used to exist not long ago. The companies can't presume that because they figured out a way to profit from those sales for a while when the marketplace and technology were configured one particular way that it's always going to be the case. Perhaps they ought to stop spending so much time on creative accounting and start making better quality products. And the best way to start would be by treating the writers fairly. Give them a fair share of DVD sales. It might turn out to be worthless anyway. And in terms of legal downloads, well presumably they'll no longer need to pay DVD makers or possibly even retailers on those sales, so how difficult can it be to give a reasonable cut to the people who morally deserve a share of the intellectual property rights? What they're really bothered by is the fact that without a tangible product that comes in a box from a shop, it's going to be harder to justify foisting ludicrous markups onto fans, so they may have to tighten their belts, especially when most shops don't have a competitor right next door who lets you walk straight out the front door without paying, and iTunes does, and furthermore digital recordings are shit loads better and more durable these days than scratchy VHS tapings from yesteryear were. So so what if the writers, actors and directors all go on strike one after the other? Stop being so fucking greedy and just concentrate on making good films for theatres like you used to. Anything else should be a bonus, not an entitlement. Give the writers 1% or whatever it is they're asking for on sales. 1% of nothing is nothing, and that's the least of your worries.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Battlestar Galactica to NBC?

    by Heckles

    Hope so. This strike might actually do some good.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Shame on you!

    by ghostlight72

    You'd never think this was a fan site the way some of you folks are behaving in this talkback today. One would think that fans of something would have a little more knowledge of the thing they love and what goes into producing it. In this case all things movie and TV. Yes, there's a ton of stuff out there that is terrible but come on people! Stop being so ignorant! Do you really think that a writer (or writers) turn in say, the script for Spiderman 3 and that's exactly what gets produced? I have a friend who wrote a low budget feature - it turned out terrible. I mean really terrible. Guess what? There was less than 2 minutes of screen time that was written by him in the finished product because the producers were too cheap to pay him for a re-write so they brought in someone who could write for peanuts. This is how the artform is reduced. And it is an artform. If writing is so easy why don't some of you guys get off your lazy asses and write us some great TV instead of spending hours in talkbacks bitching about the state of things. To VERN I say shame on you. You of all people should be a little more informed about things. The $5000/year figure comes from the average i.e. the total wages earned divided by the number of members of the WGA. I think its somewhere around just 10% of the membership that actually works regularly. The rest work normal jobs like most of us here, but write because it's something they are passionate about. I've seen what friends have gone through in pursuing their dreams to tell a story. NOBODY CHOOSES to live the kind of lives they have lived. Yes there's a lot of money to be made but most writers never see that. Some of you guys really need to distinguish between the difference in intellectual property, authorship, copyright issues etc. and oh I don't know, working as a plumber (as one wonderfully informed talkbacker mentioned). Intellectual property lasts forever. Its potential for profit lasts forever. If you shot something on your cellphone it would have the same entertainment value and possibility for commercial exploitation in a hundred years or 500 hundred years time as it does today. This is why residuals are such an important factor. To all of you, I ask this: think about the movies you love, think about how they came to be and how they began with someone with the passion to tell a story sitting down and putting words on the page.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    The plummer...

    by rosasaks

    Maybe the plummer should film himself fixing the toilet on his cell phone. I bet that would have greater historical value in 500 years than Daddy Day Camp or Who's Your Caddy?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    by BrandLoyalist

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Speaking of writing

    by BrandLoyalist

    If I'd written the posting script, it'd filter out posts containing nothing but whitespace, and there'd be js to cancel submitting altogether when enter was pressed in the subject field with nothing but whitespace in both the body and subject. @!#$&^*

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    No, Amanda the Plummer

    by rosasaks

    "Any of you fucking pricks move, and I'll execute every motherfucking last one of ya!"

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:01 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    by getting the theaters to stop hiring neanderthals. Seriously, I'd go to the movies a lot more if:<p> - The workers smile and welcome you<p> - Popcorn, snacks and soda are more reasonably priced<p> - They keep every theater sparkling clean<p> - Cut down on the damned commercials<p> - Provide free lapdances

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST


    by alphachemwolf

    Let them strike, I will get a lot more sleep. If you figure $0.05 per DVD that is quite a bit more than most people make in a year.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST


    by Pipple

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    That is all

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    read a book

    by samurai sark

    "The Godfather" "Ender's Game" "Speaker of the Dead" "Childhoods End" keep 'em coming...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Oh God, what did I start with the civilized discussion...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    comment?<p> I take it all back, and indeed I wish to put it on record that I fucked all your mothers, while you were in their basements, and they loved it...

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Man, this writer's strike's gonna be a problem for m

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:06 p.m. CST

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST

    I'm hip. I read comic books

    by Pipple

    That way I feel like i'm watching tv with captions.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST

    I wonder what Stephen King makes of the strike

    by theonecalledshoe

    Going by has some stuff going to TV. I have some minute sympathy for writers in general since some pay is low but others (like tina fey) make me wonder what the hell. She along with others are head honchos of their material. If anything else there's white collar and then there is blue collar (such as the automobile companies laying off people).

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I like you, Len.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:14 p.m. CST

    e (this "e" written by a scab and paid 50 cents)

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:19 p.m. CST

    At least the writers finally have some free time to write

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST


    by Mockingbuddha

    Hollywood is nothing without you!!! Cave now studios!!!!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 8:41 p.m. CST

    I love how these talkbackers

    by zooch

    think they can write good tv shows, like it's so easy.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    What, rosasaks?

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    First off, film credits and the order in which they are presented has been negotiated by the various guilds and unions. Whatever this weird conflict you're imagining or trying to create between "director[s] and production compan[ies] 'asserting authorship'" (and that’s INCORRECT - the credit CLEAR AS DAY says "PRODUCED BY" and "DIRECTED BY") and writers ("WRITTEN BY") is completely bogus.<br><br>The writer gets credit usually just BEFORE the director and just AFTER the producers. Nobody "asserts authorship" other than with the negotiated format for establishing the producers, writers, and directors of a given work.<br><br>Perhaps your time would be better spent focusing on what THIS strike is about as opposed to fantasizing about made-up "authorship envy" issues. What is the point of raising non-existent issues in regards to the current writers' strike ("in SOME instances wouldn't it be appropriate for the writer to be given equal respect in terms of who[m] the film nominally belongs to, from a creative standpoint")? What are you going on about?<br><br>NOBODY is complaining about "authorship" of a film and you HAVE to understand that WRITING a screenplay is NOT MAKING a movie. It's just not. Not even close.<br><br>What are you going on about "lack of recognition [being] symptomatic of the attitude which means the writers get short shrift when it comes round to sharing out the royalties, at least in comparison to the producer and the director?" Writers get film credit IMMEDIATELY before the director (the auteur) of the film. Nobody is complaining or even distantly raising any issues about lack of credit for authorship ("woe is us"). N-O-B-O-D-Y.<br><br>Film credits, the order in which they appear, and WHO gets credited and for what they get credited has been established for YEARS now and isn't in any way even REMOTELY connected to the issues being discussed.<br><br>These are very definite concrete issues being debated and fought for. Not vague-ish "oh, my husband doesn't appreciate me" stuff.<br><br>TV and movies are TWO DIFFERENT MEDIA with TWO DIFFERENT HISTORIES. What is your preoccupation with the "producer" credit in movies? I mean, seriously. Just because you see it on tv shows doesn't mean that it applies everywhere and in all circumstances and, oh, my God, since they don't do it in movies that MUST be what it's ALL ABOUT!!! <br><br>I seriously have no idea what you're going on about?<br><br>N-O-B-O-D-Y in the WGA is going to bend over and take it up the ass on residuals, web monies, and reality programming 'cause the studios have offered up MEANINGLESS producer credits. Nobody.<br><br>Let me put it this way. If you felt like your employer wasn't fairly compensating you for your efforts and that he owed you for some hours that you'd worked (over and over and over and over again), would YOU grin and say, uh, okay, great, if they decided not to pay you, but gave you the title of Assistant TO the Regional Manager, with no pay increase? That make you happy? No money that you're owed, but a meaningless title?<br><br>NO producer "manages a project later." I have NO idea where you came by THAT misconception, but the reason that there IS a producer, the reason that that title EXISTS, is that without the producer, there IS NO PROJECT.<br><br>Film "projects" don't just spring up from the ground of some fertile little field in a writer's mind waiting for a producer to latch on like some Johnny-come-lately and "manage" it. The producer brings together the MONEY (read: investors/other producers) and the TALENT (read: actors, directors, and writers). Drop any one of these (producer, investors, actors, directors, and writers) and there IS NO PROJECT.<br><br>Go ask any writer (my wife is a poet and I know three WGA members) and they'll all tell you about their CABINETS full of UNPRODUCED work - what they're waiting on is a producer who believes in the product (which he'll buy and give screen credit for) and can hook other artists (actors, directors, and cinematographers, for instance) into.<br><br>See, producers are VITAL to the equation. They MAKE it happen. Without them (or any of the others), the project doesn't happen or sucks big giant fucking mule ass (because they weren't able to get the right talent). That simple.<br><br>And if you don't think being a producer requires creativity then 1) you've never watched "Action!" and 2) you don't know any producers (I know one).<br><br>Next you go off on yet another tangent about "cinematographers and editors receiving this treatment too?" What treatment? Receiving credit for the work they do by being mentioned in the title credits? Yes. Yes, there is. And production accountants, too! Yes, watch the end credits - you'll ALSO learn who "crunched the numbers" on a given production. You see, everybody DOES get credit for EXACTLY what they did.<br><br>I have ZERO idea where and why you've latched onto this "production credit" thing. However, based on the next few sentences about "new media" and "technology altering business models across the entertainment industry" and "what is the value of art" and "who should profit from it," it certainly sounds like you've got a great college paper on your hands, but you might want to narrow down your issues a little an be a little more specific with your problems and solutions. ;)

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:08 p.m. CST

    What the hell is wrong with you people!?

    by Siguy

    "Stupid lazy writers" "Fucking hollywood guilds" "Greedy shits" Let's be clear. You're saying "Writers are stupid, they shouldn't get more money, the major corporation should get it." I can't imagine you people. What sort of demented person wakes up in the morning and thinks "God I hope Sony doesn't make 880 million dollars this quarter instead of 900 because of those greedy writers." I mean seriously, even if you think the writers are well-paid, in what sense is it greedy or stupid to expect to make a reasonable percentage of all the money your work generates. How is it better for you, the talkbacking nutjob, to have Sony or WB or whoever keeping all the extra profit? It's not like they pass the savings onto you.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:40 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I like this self-defecating side of you.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Are you schizo, Gabriel?

    by BringingSexyBack

    What the fuck?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Actually, Siguy

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    I'm on the writers side here, but the stockholders of Sony and WB are the ones who benefit from Sony and WB making a profit. They're publicly traded companies. Each side is trying to maximize it's own benefits and THAT makes perfect sense. Each is trying to act in what it perceives to be its own benefit and, I'm sorry, but if you're talking a direct benefit -- NONE OF US will make any direct financial benefit from this, no matter which side prevails.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Gabriel may have outted himself

    by BringingSexyBack

    but he's not making gay people look good, that's for damned sure. I would think the LGBT community would disavow him, along with the rest of society.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    WGA strike as precursor

    by necgray

    Some of the "fuck the writers" people on here suggesting that scabs form a new union are ignoring or forgetting the fact that the various unions work largely together. The Director's Guild and Actor's Guild contracts are coming due soon, too, and these parties are watching how the WGA strike turns out. Because of this whole "new media" aspect. So let's say a bunch of scabs (who, let's face it, can't be as good as they think because if they were, they'd be in the industry) band together and start working as writers. Good for them. Do they have a bunch of scab actor and director friends to come along for the ride? 'Cause that's coming up next.

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST

    HERC is out of WERC!

    by zooch

    If the strike last, what's Herc going to do?

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST

    south park's writing staff is non-union

    by luckylindy

    so they are safe...plenty more south park...go WGA!

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST


    by luckylindy

    South Park: Good news, South Park fans. This show will go on. Comedy Central informs us that South Park is a non-Union show and will continue as scheduled, including new episodes this week and next. It will then return in the spring with another batch of new episodes. Given how quickly the show is created and how topical it is, could a strike oriented episode be in the cards for next week's finale? (this week is scheduled to be Guitar Hero-centric).

  • Nov. 5, 2007, 11:47 p.m. CST


    by slkboxrman

    im with the writers , DVD sales and profits have tripled or more over the last few years, some movies make most of their money on dvd, sometimes almost as much as they make in the say that the writers dont deserve a bigger cut and they try to say "ohh they make over 100 grand a year" and post salary information....must be the same people that post last years heroes ratings against this years ratings....anyways, they deserve it, give it to em..

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 12:40 a.m. CST

    shows streaming on the network's website

    by oisin5199

    when a show runs on the network's website, they get money from advertisers. Every time you click on a show, there's an opening ad that gets played and the networks get paid. So money does go to someone - that's what Jon Stewart's whole joke was about if it actually needs explaining to anyone.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Elvis Cole, the WGA is about everything BUT an honest Free Marke

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Elvis, you've had some really nice posts, but in part here's the core fault with your argument that the WGA and the writers are simply being a part of the Free Market Capitalist system...<p>You said earlier: "As a capitalist myself, it's galling to hear others criticize the strike from a capitalist perspective. Quite simply, who the fuck are YOU (the "they make enough" crowd) to decide what's enough for them?"<p> Well, the answer is obvious: if you're such the true capitalist at heart, then you must recognize that we're the consumers. We're the buyers of the goods that they're selling. So OF COURSE we should get a say in "what's good enough for them" because by the pure definition of capitalism how we feel about their product SHOULD determine their end worth AND set the final price of their product.<p>But the truth is it DOESN'T work that way at all. In fact, the WGA actually ENFORCES price scales. So again, if you're such the capitalist, where exactly do I get a say in things because clearly I've been cut out of a financial equation that I'm SUPPOSED to have a very profound part of. More to the point, where is my refund for a shitty movie that I was made to pay for -- sight unseen and cash upfront? In fact, in the purest sense of capitalism, how is there EVER a true market correction in the prices for scripts when an entire TV season is deemed 90% shitty?<p>The bottom line: when a union completely locks in a price REGARDLESS of the actual market and REGARDLESS of the actual time that a writer actually spent working on his script and certainly REGARDLESS of the final product's quality that's HARDLY honest capitalism at work.<p>You also said: "I'm VERY pro-business, pro-capitalism, but I'm certainly not going to let that blind me to the fact that these writers have decided that it's in their best interests to collectively bargain. What kind of command-economy bullshit drives me, you, or anybody else to decide what's "enough" for anybody? Why the fuck should the writers be any different and who the fuck are WE to tell them what they should work for?"<p>But again how is that actually honest capitalism at work? To be bluntly honest, with the WGA what we have here is a truly fucked-up bastardization of capitalism at its most core level. On the one hand, the writers want to argue that they’re not being properly compensated for their work...that they’re not getting enough of the profits that were generated off their work and that was earned in a free market system where the general public paid to see that product...<p>...And yet these very same writers who are pointing at the free market system are ALSO the very same people who THEN want to turn around and hide behind a union that very aggressively states, "Oh, and by the way, for the rest of you? You can't join our club. Well, not until you actually sell a screenplay, but to safeguard our members and guarantee that THEY keep working and NOT you, we’ve ALSO told and even outright demanded that the studios and agencies NOT accept work or submissions from non-WGA people. So we’ve locked you out to protect our own self-interests."<p>So I'm sorry...please...tell me again how exactly that is capitalism and a free market at work? On the one hand the writers want to use the free market to claim WHY they should be getting more money...yet then they want to turn right around and LOCK OUT as many people as they possibly can -- or at least make the hurdles that you'll have to leap to join the club SO insurmountable that you can never really get in the union. And why? Simply so they DON’T have actual competition...<p>...Which is the pure HEART and SOUL of capitalism.<p>In fact, here’s proof of what I'm saying and my outright gripe about Unions like the WGA in a nutshell: Hey, WGA, you want a $2,500 initiation fee to officially join the Guild? So that I can then have an official union card and so it will then be easier for me to get an Agent or a Studio to accept my work for evaluation and consideration? Ok, fine...DEAL. Yep, that’s right, I said deal. You called out a price and I’m TOTALLY WILLING TO PAY IT. So where do I send the check? Oh, wait...what’s that? What did you say? Even if I’m WILLING to break out my checkbook and pony up the cash I STILL can’t join the club? Gee, that’s a nice little closed clique you’re running there, isn’t it?<p>Sorry, but I respect people working hard and making a good living...I want to see all Americans -- hell, all people in the world to be able to make good livings to raise their families and safeguard their livelihoods -- but speaking as a true pro-business and true capitalist, the bottom line truth is that Unions like the WGA are about anything BUT actual capitalism and a free market system at work...

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 1:57 a.m. CST

    We'll march 'til we drop

    by buffywrestling

    By the big Cooling Tower <p> They have the Plant but we have the power... <p> *Classical Gas*,

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Oh, and Vern -- congrats, man

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Congrats for working at a site like AICN and having the balls to be essentially fair and balanced in juggling what you wanted to say, but for also saying what you REALLY think and feel however politically incorrect that viewpoint might be. I totally respect that you were that honest and I salute you.<p>Of course, on the other hand, when he returns from his apparent strike-induced absence, I'm sure Moriarity will have some choice words regarding the sentiments in your post, which would actually make for a truly compelling AICN talkback thread...

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Big Dumb Ape...

    by Siguy

    I'm sure you read Atlas Shrugged once and now think you know everything about capitalism, but your argument is really, really screwed up.<br><br> Get this through your head. You don't pay the writers salaries. You're acting like your ticket goes directly to the writers. The ticket price has nothing to do with the writers. The writers minimum payments are peanuts; they're nothing. It has nothing to do with what you consume or what gets made.<br><br> The WGA is easy to get into. You sell a script, you're basically in it. That's it. There's nothing else to it. You sell something, then you can join. Very simple.<br><br> You act like there's no competition among writers. Writing is one of the most competitive fields in this country. It is relentlessly competitive, with thousands of young college grads flocking to LA and failing and/or succeeding. People do not get to rest on their laurels. The fact that there are mandatory minimums to protect writers from manipulation is not anti-capitalist, there is still intense competition to sell the script in the first place. <br><br> You're obsessing over a small union, while the studios are basically given government monopolies on their industry, allowed to form a de facto cartel in every major field to keep prices up, and are allowed to do closed book accounting that lets them basically claim whatever they want financially. Your relentless hatred of unions is irrational and strange; there are a lot of problems with this country, but the few weak, remaining skilled unions are absolutely not one of them.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 3:27 a.m. CST

    shiny box no fun? time for read book?

    by Prossor

    i love it how everyone reverts to reading books now, why not go play hopscotch and marbles too while you're at it? we're not living in the 30s here folks. did everyone forget that there is also oh i don't know, 100+ years of movies to watch? im pretty sure we've seen 1-2% of all movies ever made, maybe 3% for the hardcore nutcases.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 5:29 a.m. CST


    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 5:47 a.m. CST

    I'm Sure the WGA Sucks Ass Like All Unions


    But I think they've got a point. The media is turning new, and has been for a while, and the compensation for the writers who produce the work overtime is bupkiss compared to what people who function as marketers and distributors get. And, frankly, unlike most unions in manufacturing, which are bent at securing fat compensation for less work at the expense of killing the industry, the folks with the fat compensation and the blinders on in this situation actually are the fat cats: the bloated studios.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 5:54 a.m. CST

    On The Royalties


    Part of the effect of the union is to negotiate the universal terms of employment contracts, and that's what the WGA was trying to do, and the WGA and the studios could not see eye-to-eye. However, if writers started working outside of the union system, they could feasibly negotiate better individual contracts, so it might happen.<br><Br> What protects the consumer is rational expectations and a low cost of entry. You can see a movie for eight bucks, buy a DVD for $10-$20 (and can resell for a lower price, if you don't like it, recouping some of your losses). But you have some idea of what you are going to get, and the risk of being disappointed. It is your choice to take the risk or avoid, as such, no one protects you BUT you. Make informed decisions and minimize your risk, or take more risks with an idea of finding new things, or don't play the game. It's up to you!<br><br>And writers want royalties on products over their lifespan, DVDs, downloads, future media products. It's not an illegitimate beef, although it's also reasonable to demand writers take less in upfront fees in order that they also shoulder the risk of producing a crappy product that has no new media shelf life and no royalty lifespan, as the studios do.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Hooray!!! This is the greatest thing ever!!!

    by FlandersBum

    Thank God. TV and movies all suck anyways. Let's all hope the strike lasts years and years!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 6:57 a.m. CST

    "Thank God. TV and movies all suck anyways."

    by BringingSexyBack

    So you're on a TV and movie website because ... ?

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Hectal: I found that pretty easy to sympathize with

    by BringingSexyBack

    I don't understand your point ...

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 7 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Never thought I'd utter those words.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 7:25 a.m. CST

    "Thank God. TV and movies all suck anyways."

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    this is the dumbest ever said in the history of aicn, for many reasons. worse than when harry said "mesa love him!" about jar jar binks.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 7:28 a.m. CST

    i have no books to read ive mastered every harry potter book

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    yes thats a nerdy headline. i think ill re-read half blood prince now and then right before the movies released. then ill beat off to emma watson.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 7:28 a.m. CST

    i have no books to read ive mastered every harry potter book

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    yes thats a nerdy headline. i think ill re-read half blood prince now and then right before the movies released. then ill beat off to emma watson.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 7:29 a.m. CST

    double post

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    im aloud to beat off to emma watson right? shes only a year younger than me...

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Are studios hungry for Scabby Patties?

    by JDanielP

    I got nothin' to say, here. I'm just one of the geeks on the outside, lookin' in.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    fuckin shit i meant "allowed to beat off"

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    E-D-I-T B-U-T-T-O-N

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Why The Writers Are On Strike

    by User EGO

    Here is a very concise explanation -

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    We'll all end up paying more for new media

    by BLWiseass

    if they agree to share, expect the price of the "new media" i.e. itunes downloads etc to increase accordingly.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST


    by chrisco

    one of these networks should buy the right to hockey from the Versus network-also ultimate fighting

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    What about crew members?

    by I Dunno

    The lighting guys, set designers, post production workers, craft services...I guess they're all fucked, aren't they? Fucking crybaby writers.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    USA TOday: Friday Night Lights & Las Vegas outta here

    by Pennsy

    Outta here for now; they're trying to stockpile episodes for later on in the new year. Way to go, writers guild; it must in fact be necessary to destroy the village in order to save it.<p> *rolls eyes*

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    I personally just don't care.

    by vezner2007

    Most of what we see on TV is garbage anyway. I do enjoy 24 and Heroes though. In any case, I have a nice big collection of DVDs that I have been collecting over the years and it will satisfy my TV needs for quite some time.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    What is wrong with you? You're mental.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    I'm sure people would be happy

    by zooch

    To just get "cut a check" initially. Until they realized how much they could be making for their work and how much more the studio was making.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST



    But I thought you agreed with me when I called you "generally thoughtful". And don't we see eye to eye on 9/11 having been perpetrated by Decepticons? More than meets the eye, my friend. More than meets the eye.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    LostJarv . . .


  • Nov. 6, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Nothing, I Just Like Saying 'Lost Jarv'


    I seem to hit enter a lot when I type the subject, these days. However, in the case of Phantom Menace, what I paid for was a keener understanding of the reviews of George Lucas product from the likes of Harry Knowles and Kevin Smith. Otherwise, I was reasonably taking a risk . . . I saw Howard The Duck on cable. I went to see the Special Edition Star Wars movie. I knew what was possible. For every Superman Returns (or every four or five), there an Incredibles; that is, a movie I enjoy more than I expected and where my value is much more than I paid for. Also, you know ahead of time you aren't going to get a refund if the review are wrong and you hate the movie, so I really think the consumer shoulders the burden.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Studios should do what Fox did with Family Guy and....

    by drewlicious

    Hire manatees. They work for chum. Granted every show would be riddled with segues but you get what you pay for. You think that's bad rememember the time I (cut to pointless but funnier than it should be pop cultrue reference.)

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    The Studios Aren't Powerless Here


    They could have given up more royalties to the writers, ended this before it began. They certainly don't let us download their movies and songs or buy the DVDs or buy "ringles" of songs for free. They charge, but don't compensate the artists. While I'm generally not a big fan of unions, some times they have a point. And, in this case, the studios could reach some agreement that was reasonable and involved royalties of of the products they helped make for as long as those products made money . . . which is a much more rational deal than the union employees of auto and steel companies have demanded (and gotten) over the years.<br><br>I don't think giving writers more of the backend, especially if there was some give on the front end, would be a bad thing. The better a product the writer produced, the more money it would make them over the lifetime of the products. The more forgettable or transient, then it the less it would make. That's just allowing the free market to more deeply penetrate the studio system.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    re: hurting the other unions

    by necgray

    Anyone who thinks that the WGA strike is just doing damage to the other unions doesn't understand how the unions work together. The WGA striking over digital compensation is a precedent that any of the other unions can use when it's THEIR turn to renegotiate THEIR contracts. I mean, the lighting guys should get a cut of that digital media money, too. So sure, this is hurting the caterers and lighting guys and whoever at the moment, but if they're union, this is actually helping them. You can't be pissed at the WGA alone because the Director's Guild and the Actor's Guilds are going to want the same thing. I can far more respect the guys on here who are arguing from an anti-union stance in general because at least they acknowledge, for the most part, that the WGA strike is just the tip of the iceberg.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 6:28 p.m. CST

    WGA requirements

    by necgray

    I don't know how to feel about the WGA requirements. On the one hand, $2500 is a high amount to come up with if you don't sell your script to a major studio. It does seem like it's a little exclusive. On the other hand, if you don't sell at least one script, why would you be a member of the WGA? I mean, it's not like I can join the UAW just because I WANT to. I actually have to work in an auto factory. So why would the WGA allow anyone in who isn't actually writing? Furthermore, any monkey with a typewriter can bang out 90 pages of words. So the "selling" element I can kind of understand. Of course, if your material is actually good and you've worked hard on it but nobody wants to buy it for whatever reason, then that's not exactly fair. But then, no matter how much you LOVE a '57 Chevy, if nobody wants to buy a '57 Chevy, then you should know better than to try selling a '57 Chevy. It's all very grey.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    I'm going on strike too...

    by justcheckin

    Fuck it, lets all go on strike. No one needs to work anywhere... Whoooo, we'll have comedy if god wills it.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST

    If anyone should get residuals, it's writers, here's why--

    by Batutta

    If you invent something, and you patent it, everytime someone reproduces your patent and makes a product they sell, the inventor gets a cut. A screenplay is a patent for a movie, therefore everytime the resulting movie is reproduced, whether anew or simply copied and retransmitted for a fee, the writer should get a piece.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Why You Join the WGA

    by Harriet

    It protects you. As has been pointed out repeatedly, the world is full of people who would work for free/cheap/less. So how do you tell a producer that you will not sell your screenplay for $7? Simple: You can't. As a member of the WGA, you cannot sell your screenplay to a producer for less than $100k and change. (Different rules for indy film, but there's still protections in place so the writer doesn't get shafted.) Same thing with TV. As a WGA member, you're legally prohibited from selling for less than the minimum (yes, as in the "minimum basic agreement.)<br> And yes, there are installment plans and whatnot for those who can't spring for the $2500 all at once.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Artists don't get residuals...

    by voxmortis

    ...when their pieces of work get sold on between collectors. Just saying.

  • Nov. 6, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Thank Xenu for video games...

    by Hamtaro Hentai

    Super Mario Galaxy drops this month, and Guitar Hero 3 just frikking owns. Hell, I'd rather play a damn Pokemon game than watch more reality shit (and by 'more' I mean 'any')

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 12:44 a.m. CST


    by Mr_X

    so, shows dont get produced, people think.. oh noes! those dedicated tv watchers will watch repeats, or teh reality tv shows.or dvds of a stack of thin gs they havent seen before.others..well this is about rights and new media? things have changed since the last strike, the internet is in full force, so is gaming, people can spend thier time doing a multitude of things<br folks actually get a life, do some thing new and realise they didnt need the tv as much as they thought they did</br> <br> why will the strike break? both sides will bleed money, and will relaise that no one fricking cares.</br> <br>striking is a tacttic for those that cannot negoitate by any other means, nurses who get paid shit and continue to do so, i can understand and even support them striking but script writers.. i don't think so</br>

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 4:52 a.m. CST

    I'm 100% behind the writers

    by Trader Groucho 2

    And this little youtube tidbit featuring workers from the office explains the issue imho: <p>

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 8:01 a.m. CST

    It's not a patent, Batutta

    by I Dunno

    If the studio buys the script, it's theirs, end of transaction. If I write some software for a company and they buy it, they can keep selling it 20 years from now (well that's unlikely). I'm not going to keep getting paid for every unit sold or every different medium that software is burned on. You have to apply for a patent with the government. Screenwriting is nothing like that.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 9:30 a.m. CST

    "I'm Sick! OF WRITING!"

    by rock-me Amodeo

    or something like that. Just showing some love to the LOST folks, node90210 or whatever it is...

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST


    by necgray

    But painters DO get residuals if posters are reproduced based on their paintings.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    So the writers took everything off the table except Inet and....

    by Pixelsmack

    ...certain studios on the panel still won't budge? Now that makes me almost swing to the writers side. That's fucking ridiculous.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST


    by fiester

    Seriously. You could cull a bunch of folks from the boards here and put together a writing staff that could fill the slots of 99.99% of the striking writers.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Paying more?

    by Norm

    In Re to: "We'll all end up paying more for new media if they agree to share, expect the price of the "new media" i.e. itunes downloads etc to increase accordingly."............. The writers are asking for an increase from 4 cents per DVD to 8 cents. I'm sorry, but if you're shelling out $129.99 for a DVD box set, I think you can afford to pay 4 more cents. And if you can't, then you really shouldn't be buying the DVD in the first place. But the studio should eat the cost. They already made their money on the show. That $129.99 is pure proffit and the studio can afford to give 8 cents to the writers.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Marshall Herskovitz LA Times comment piece.

    by rosasaks

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 7:23 p.m. CST

    go for it, fiester

    by necgray

    I'm waiting. Cull them together. Fill the slots. Do you have any pilots written? Can I see your show bible? Do any of you "ooh ooh, hire me" people actually HAVE material written? You know, there's an enormous difference between coming to a fansite and posting what you "would" do if you wrote InsertTVShowHere and actually writing an episode of television. Or film. Anyone claiming that it's soooo easy and they could do it if given a chance better goddam well have scripts to look at on or similar sites. I'm sick of you wannabes.

  • Nov. 7, 2007, 7:53 p.m. CST

    fore!!! wait this isnt the golf room.

    by theonecalledshoe

    forty words per minute, neat huh?

  • Nov. 8, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Time to copulate!

    by CuervoJones

    Reading a book is fine, too.