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NBC Cancels
HEROES: ORIGINS!!

I am – Hercules!! The Hollywood Reporter says the cancellation of “Heroes: Origins” is not official, but our sources say otherwise. Blame the greedy producers who continue to deny America’s screenwriters their due. Read all of the Reporter’s story on the matter here.

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  • Oct. 31, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST

    This was gonna suck anyway.

    by BetaRayBill07

    Don't fret bitches- we thankfully have only one bad Heroes series to moan about!!

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Pity

    by Johnny Law

    Something really needs to help out this season....Origins seemed to be just the thing.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9 p.m. CST

    Before anyone tries to blame ratings

    by chrth

    Heroes was top 30 last week and top 10 in 18-49, and that was with 3 World Series games above it. Ratings aren't the issue here.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Poor Eli Roth and Kevin Smith!

    by BrowncoatJedi

    They won't be able to rip off X-Men, 4400, Lost, and Watchmen now!

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST

    by MichaelM

    NBC is using the Writer's Strike as an excuse. The truth is they see the mother ship sinking. Trust me, if Heroes was doing a bang-up job ratings-wise and quality-wise, Origins would still be a go. NBC just realized that the creative team can't handle one show, let alone two.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Word Of Mouth

    by kgerm

    The show sucks this season. Face it. Pacing is way off, stories are lagging, major players from last season are underused in tiresome tedious plotlines, and generally the wonderment of last season and awe of every episode is just lacking. There are single lines of dialogue in the first season better than anything that's happened this season so far.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST

    chrth...

    by MichaelM

    Ratings aren't the only issue, but they are an issue. The show is doing alright in very lackluster season, but there's no denying it's lost millions of viewers from last season. It was doing 13-14 million last season against much stiffer competition (ie 24). If Heroes was getting those numbers this year, Origin's future would still be bright.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    how about blame the lame second season of heroes?

    by chiahead

    how about blame the lame second season of heroes?

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:09 p.m. CST

    the second seasons abysmal ratings are to blame

    by slappy jones

    they are sinking pretty fast and if they don't turn it around I would imagine it could be its last season......

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Even NBC sees its a sinking ship

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    dont want to have TWO hours of their schedule go down. Just stick with one.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Remember Studio 60?...

    by DanielKurland

    Bet they're looking pretty good right about now.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    They need to right the mother ship first.....

    by Jabbu

    I've enjoyed maybe 50% of what has been on "Heroes" this season. The Hiro story has been a bore, the Peter in Ireland story has been bad and not sure what to think about Mexican Bleeding Eyes. Good to see HRG be a badass again this past week. And it looks like Claire will be back in a cheerleader outfit soon.....maybe things are looking up!

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:15 p.m. CST

    "It was in the Top 30" LMAO!

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    So that's a good sign? Top 30? Let's say the 4 major networks have an average of approximately 4 shows each night. With 6 days (Saturdays are pretty much reruns), that's 4x4x6 = 96 shows.<br><br>so just being in the top THIRD is a ratings success? Not for something this hyped, or with this big a budget (relatively speaking for television - FX, large cast, etc)

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    That's fine.

    by TattooedBillionaire

    They need to focus on Heroes anyway.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Can't we all just get along *glares at writers and producers*

    by Pennsy

    Do you really want to hand over the store to Mark Burnett, Simon Cowell and Endemol and we'll have nothing but reality shit in prime time every minute of every night before long?<p> Settle this, Malcolm X style (by any means necessary); there can be a middle ground, folks.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST

    See you next year, Origins!

    by Larry of Arabia

    If there is a next year...

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Ratings ARE probably the issue

    by TVguy4566

    Heroes' ratings aren't abismal, but they aren't spectacular for an expensive show. The ratings have been steadily declining week to week even before baseball was on Fox. It isn't enough to worry about cancelling the show, but it is bad enough for the network to not shell out extra money for a filler show during the hiatus of the original show. <br><br> The network probably couldn't justify the cost especially since this show would be sandwiched between reruns of Chuck and Journeyman. Neither of these shows are lighting up the ratings with original episodes.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:43 p.m. CST

    It's the ratings....

    by warp11

    no doubt

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Before you Mock Heroes being top 30

    by Larry of Arabia

    Have you seen the ratings NBC's other shows are getting? On NBC the only scripted shows drawing a rating are evergreens ER and SVU. The entire NBC ship is sinking after last season when they tried to build a schedule on the backs of a million game shows. The people who watch game shows don't watch regular TV! Um, what was I talking about??

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Should be good for DVD sales

    by snowpuff

    This should be a pretty interesting strike. Things have changed. Consumers can go to just about any store and catch up and introduce themselves to hundreds of TV shows. They may not miss primetime too much. And TV is already hurting from video games, iPods, internet... <br> After the last baseball strike, viewership was never the same. Some viewers (like Snowpuff) never returned.<br> <br> I predict, post-stike, TV ratings will also take another dip that they will never, ever get back.<br> <br> The executives are making a big mistake...

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST

    oh darn

    by necgray

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    It's okay...

    by PizzaJedi81

    Anything shot so far will be on the Season 2 dvd anyway. By the way...all of you ho seem to think it sucks this season? Are you sure you aren't just looking for something to bitch about? It's no worse, for me, than last season...although the whole "post-apocalyptic future" thing is getting old. COmics have more originality than tha...and, after all, isn't Heroes a comic brought to life?

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Larry of Arabia

    by TVguy4566

    Just because NBC ratings in general are in the toilet doesn't mean it isn't the ratings. Heroes ratings plummeted last year because of American Idol. I think NBC was banking on Heroes regaining their pre-Idol ratings which would ultimate propel the Origins show. The problem is that Heroes never really rebounded to their full pre-Idol ratings and have steadily dropped since.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Stupid keyboard. :-)

    by PizzaJedi81

    Tell me you guys get what I was saying. Please?

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 10:01 p.m. CST

    I Just Don't Understand Why They Can't Pull This Off.

    by El Fuego

    The one thing Heroes had going for it season 1, aside from one or two great super-fights (Peter/Sylar in the apt, Niki/Parkman), was a relentless series of brutal cliffhangers: the nuke going off, claire waking up in the morgue, etc... this is what they've failed to bring to the table. There's no reason they can't bring it back... they just seem to be choosing... not to. It's showing glimmers og promise, but it's still pretty damn disappointing to see something so compelling lose the few things it had going for it in spades.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 10:08 p.m. CST

    One down, One to go...

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    Just cancel the regular Heroes and be done with it.<br><br>Hell, let it run through winter, then fill its slot by running NBC sister-station SciFi's Battlestar Galactica when it returns. Now THERE'S a show that deserves major network promotion and budgets!

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 10:10 p.m. CST

    More great news today

    by AlwaysThere

    I don't watch the show at all, but I do know that the ratings are tanking. The fools that still torture themselves with the show are very disappointed in what you've been mistreated to this season, so extra curricular, non-essential spinoffs would only distract from the main portion of the show that appears to need A LOT of work.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith made Origins fail

    by Loosejerk

    NBC hated his screenplay. It was about a long-haired, stoner hero with the power to curse. He befriends a tubby piece of shit who can barely write and definitely can't direct. They fight a tall, anorexic villianess who loves the anal.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Nbc is the titanic

    by aPo

    How bad the ratings are Heroes is still one of NBC's top rated show. So, I think Heroes will be with Nbc for a long time

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST

    ShiftyEyedDog2 and Jabbu are right - the main show needs fixing!

    by HappyHamster

    No need to strap more mediocrity around their necks with a spinoff.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST

    The ratings have been consistent all season

    by chrth

    And Heroes never went up against the World Series. Marc Berman (Mediaweek) has it as a Winner every week in his Tuesday review. Top 10 18-49 is a great position to be in. It finished last season at #21. If you remove the baseball games/pre-games, last week's episode was 24th in the ratings.<p> Now, NBC has a ratings problem across the board, (Chuck is down significantly from Deal or No Deal last season, and Journeyman is pretty much last of the new non-CW shows) which is bringing Heroes down with it. But you can't pin any specific decline on the show itself, because it doesn't exist this season. Ratings are not the problem.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST

    BTW, Networks: I will scab

    by chrth

    Seriously, show me the money, and I'll write for your shows. I even have a couple ideas for new shows that will earn me free ribs every threatened cancellation.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    I blame the boring state of regular Heroes

    by jimmy_009

    I can't even drag myself to the TV to watch it anymore.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST

    So, Lost vs. Heroes...

    by tbransonlives

    Who won?

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 11:48 p.m. CST

    NEW JOKER PIC!!!!

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6470

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    TAKE OUT THE SPACES

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    DUH

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Blaming the strike

    by PotSmokinAlien

    blaming the strike for the cancellation of this sub-series that i was not planning on watching in the first place is like blaming george clooney for Batman and Robin being terrible.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Well, considering the original has wildly uneven

    by Yeti

    so far this season I think it's probably for the best, non?

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 12:25 a.m. CST

    What about Eli Roth

    by BrightEyes

    ?

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Good.

    by Mezzanine

    The last thing that Eli Roth's ego needs is even more validation for being a shitty writer. It's sad enough that the flag ship show has sunk so dramatically in quality, I am glad they aren't playing games with this doubtlessly stupid spin off.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 12:29 a.m. CST

    What!?!?!

    by veritasses

    Origins was NBC's best hope of creating great TV using GREAT source material from fresh minds/WRITERS and directors! The problem with Heroes is not the concept (Good vs Evil w/superpowers!!) , it's the execution and __!-HORRIBLE_WRITING-!___ With the success of Origins, they would've had an excuse to get some new QUALITY writers who know how to write a good, memorable, EPIC story about... __Heroes__ Everyone loves the idea of being a hero. Of good triumphing over evil. What people don't like are shows called Heroes, which have characters who have super Hero powers who could be doing heroic acts with incredible heroic feats, instead doing (episode after episode after episode) boring, non-superhero cr@p and acting like annoying, brainless idiots. Regardless of what you think of Kevin Smith or Eli Roth, there's no denying they would've injected something unique/different and characters that actually used there super powers. What they should do is cancel Heroes and instead reboot the series using Origins as it's base. The concept of a "super hero" is so diverse, they could turn Heroes into another Law and Order or CSI. Good Lord what a waste of a great opportunity.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Also,,,

    by Mezzanine

    Journeyman is the best hour long on NBC right now, without a doubt. With maybe the exception of Life, which I hear great things about.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Why not let Eli Roth take over the whole thing?

    by a_loco

    Srsly, it would be way better than this season. listen to Barty...

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Barty

    by a_loco

    www.bartholomewrichards.blogspot.com

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 1:04 a.m. CST

    ELI ROTH: I'LL TAKE SOME FRIES AND A COKE

    by thegreatwhatzit

    Saw this guy on BRAVO's Halloween special (100 greatest screams or whatever). Complete asshole (comparing his CABIN FEVER to Hitchcock). Loser...

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 1:10 a.m. CST

    When is that show on?

    by wintocha67

    I don't read everything here you know.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Too Bad...

    by chromedome

    I want Heroes to last, and have the time to get back on track this season, and a spin-off episode would show faith in the franchise, and it had interesting potential besides.<p>Maybe the "hidden" good news is that they will focus on Heroes first, repair it, and then be open to a spin off once it is healthy again.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Chrth

    by VegasRon

    Please explain to me the dynamics of Journeyman's bad ratings hurting Heroes. It's actually the other way around. It's called a "lead-in" for a reason.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 1:32 a.m. CST

    hmmmm

    by slkboxrman

    i dont know why the studios cant give the writers their due, without the writers there would be no shows, movies or anything.... a share of the dvd and syndication royalties should def go to them.....actually surprised that they havent been getting royalties already.... sad ....but the story says that they will prob just push it back to next season if neccessary, the origins thing that is ...... and heroes has been just fine. get off its dick please

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 3:10 a.m. CST

    I serious think Season 2 could have been one episode

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Nothing has happened.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 3:25 a.m. CST

    It would have been redundant anyway

    by The Selecter

    Why make Origins when they can put lots of boring characters everyone hates in the main show?

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 5:23 a.m. CST

    Journeyman still blows

    by rightarm4Rosario

    Please, someone (anyone) cite one instance of humor used in any episode of Journeyman. No? Ok, how about any plod thread or device which has not been used (and better) on dozens of other genre shows. Still thinking .. ? How about the dramatic tension we're supposed to feel due to the strain on Dan and his wife's relationship, Dan's wife having shtupped his brother, etc ... Yes, these would be cool things if we had ANY REASON to care about these characters. Instead, we are given SITUATIONS with no character development leading up to them which might have stoked our interest. <br> And someone said Journeyman is totally different from Quantum Leap because Dan is limited geographically as opposed to Sam, and Sam jumped into bodies. True, but its not like Dan always leaps back in time to the same exact geographic location (his house, car, etc). He seems to be only limited to the city limits of San Francisco!!! WTF?!?? <br> <P> Here's hoping West (HEROES) and the SWEDE (FNL) conspire to convince HRG that DAN is the "Boogeyman." <P> <P> <br> "You'll condemn yourself to hell!"<br> <P> "I know."

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 6:14 a.m. CST

    SCREENWRITERS GOTTA EAT!!!

    by spud mcspud

    Except Kevin Smith, the fat fuck.<P> This seems like a good new way to get rid of screenwriters you signed on it a fit of insane generousity but later bitterly regretted (re Eli Roth, Kevin Smith). At least this way, you get out of it with a little grace (see Silent Bob getting the hoof off of GALACTICA by Ron Moore, complete with shit "I forgot, we double booked" excuse!).<P> But starting a strike just because you can't say "I don't love you any more" may seem more than a little harsh. Damn those heartless Hollywood suit fucks!!!

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 6:22 a.m. CST

    yes rightarm...

    by just pillow talk

    I said something along those lines comparing Journeyman to Quantum Leap. They are not exactly the same. So what's your point? While I'm not crazy about the continuous harping on about Dan's marital affairs (it seems rather quickly that she more or less has accepted his time traveling, at least in the last episode), I did find it pretty cool when his son perform his 'magic'. And humor is what makes a sci-fi show good?<p>And regarding Heroes: Origins....who knows if this is a good thing or not that it's being axed. Perhaps they would have had a much better approach with just one story to focus on a time...

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 6:23 a.m. CST

    damn

    by just pillow talk

    should read "when his son saw him perform his 'magic'." Crap.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 6:53 a.m. CST

    VegasRon: Journeyman was cited for the ...

    by chrth

    general NBC malaise, not for its specific effect on Heroes. Now, there's Chuck, which is down 9 million viewers from Deal or No Deal last season. At least Heroes is only down 4-5. But Heroes maintained pretty much the entire audience from Deal or No Deal (without checking, iirc, they both finished with averages between 16 and 17 million). Chuck right now is getting about 7 and Heroes about 11. So Heroes is bringing in a substantial uptick in viewers at 9 o'clock. This is why Marc Berman has labelled Heroes a Winner every week.<p> Note: I'm just stating facts, not criticizing Chuck.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 6:53 a.m. CST

    VegasRon: Journeyman was cited for the ...

    by chrth

    general NBC malaise, not for its specific effect on Heroes. Now, there's Chuck, which is down 9 million viewers from Deal or No Deal last season. At least Heroes is only down 4-5. But Heroes maintained pretty much the entire audience from Deal or No Deal (without checking, iirc, they both finished with averages between 16 and 17 million). Chuck right now is getting about 7 and Heroes about 11. So Heroes is bringing in a substantial uptick in viewers at 9 o'clock. This is why Marc Berman has labelled Heroes a Winner every week.<p> Note: I'm just stating facts, not criticizing Chuck.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 6:53 a.m. CST

    VegasRon: Journeyman was cited for the ...

    by chrth

    general NBC malaise, not for its specific effect on Heroes. Now, there's Chuck, which is down 9 million viewers from Deal or No Deal last season. At least Heroes is only down 4-5. But Heroes maintained pretty much the entire audience from Deal or No Deal (without checking, iirc, they both finished with averages between 16 and 17 million). Chuck right now is getting about 7 and Heroes about 11. So Heroes is bringing in a substantial uptick in viewers at 9 o'clock. This is why Marc Berman has labelled Heroes a Winner every week.<p> Note: I'm just stating facts, not criticizing Chuck.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 6:54 a.m. CST

    DAMN, sorry about that triple post

    by chrth

    Got some weird underlying database page message.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 7 a.m. CST

    Fuck screenwriters!!

    by Series7

    Okay, how about this: Adam Sandler... inherits like, a billion dollars, but first, he has to, like, become a ...boxer, or something. Um... okay. How about this: [the staffers take pen to paper and anticipate the ideas] Adam Sandler is like, in love with some girl, but then it turns out that the girl is actually a ...golden retriever, or something. Adam Sandler is trapped on an island and falls in love with a coconut. Thats all we need baby, TV should write itself!

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 7:01 a.m. CST

    who cares...?

    by Judge Briggs

    the second season is really awful so far.. .Ali Larter still has has the nicest body ever though

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 7:03 a.m. CST

    and i am being cereal!

    by Judge Briggs

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Screw the Writers Guild

    by Sakurai

    Are there no right to work writers out there? no? meh.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 7:08 a.m. CST

    New NBC shows...

    by BizarroJerry

    I actually like Chuck and Journeyman. I hope they both stay on. I've liked Chuck all along, and Journeyman seems to be moving past the more annoying parts of the plot that were aggravating me.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 7:19 a.m. CST

    really?

    by garofellatio

    <p> TV shows have writers?

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Screen Writers are tools. Just like every one else in the Indust

    by Negative Man

    <p>I've worked for SAG/AFTRA and the WGA. All 'strikes' have been bullshit for more than 20+ years. All parties have planned their strikes with whom they plan to strike against.</p><p>Here's an idea: Write a contract that foresees beyond your big toe, bitches! Hell, I'm guild and I know this simple rule.</p><P>This is yet another union that needs to look strong to those that can't think beyond their recently bought Dachshund they bought a Bee costume for for Halloween.</p><p>But please...keep blaming the producers that pay UP FRONT for actors, lighting, film stock, extras, food, general production, set design, marketing, special effects, and everything else. They pay out, you get paid up front. And the problem is what?</p><p>Seriously?</p><p>The problem is you as a writer work harder than a person that builds a house? Does a heart transplant? Designs a rocket?</p><p>Grow up and take charge of your life. So few of you are 'artists'. Many more are storefront trained performers. You need to step down, take your nice pay for your one idea and fade.</p><p>How's that for public support?</p>

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Cuz the writers strike, we'll get

    by skimn

    Deal Or No Deal: Origins ... A bushy haired Howie Mandell looks at a rubber glove and gets an idea.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Bland at best...

    by Philvis

    I was all about some Heroes last season, but this season so far has been bland at best. I watch it every week still, but I am not highly anticipating it like I did each week last year. I think the best show NBC has that I have watched is Chuck. I really dig that one. Adam Baldwin is great in that. I also really like Journeyman as well. I just hope they explain things before it is cancelled...NBC has the habit of cancelling anything I like (i.e. The Black Donnelly's). Heroes just needs to get some excitement up.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 9:02 a.m. CST

    TVguy4566

    by PVIII

    if Heroes is so expensive, I don't know where the fuck the money's going, because it's sure as shit not in that greenscreen work

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Screw screenwriters! Let them go back to their movies that make

    by Darth Bauer

    Fix HEROES before doing crappy one-shot eps with hacks.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Heroes is Not Very good at the moment.

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    That time traveling power is sure nice. If you ever watch to see the consequence of an action simply jump ahead like Peter did this week and Hiro did last season. Rehashing plot points is not new for comics. But at least Marvel/DC waits a couple of years before recycling. This season is all over the place. As a result very little narrative has actually been done. Too many new characters have been introduced. And personally I do not care for them like I did a season ago. BSG S2 is tracking better than Heroes S2 in my book at the moment.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Mohinder is an Embarassment to Indians....

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    As a person of Indian descent I ask: Why on Earth cannot Mohinder wash his f*cking hair with Shampoo rather than grease. A shave now and again would not hurt either....

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 9:30 a.m. CST

    @ PotSmokinAlien . . .

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    "blaming the strike for the cancellation of this sub-series that i was not planning on watching in the first place is like blaming george clooney for Batman and Robin being terrible." OMFG!!! AMEN!! A-F'N-MEN!! Finally someone who thinks the same way about Clooney and Batman and Robin!! HUZZAH!

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Maybe this stupid strike will be the end of the Writer's Guild..

    by JackIsLost

    Goddamn, I hate collective bargaining and unions. UGH. Hey, networks, I'm not in a union and I'll write for you.... And will everyone stop this LOST vs HEROES debate? I mean, yes, LOST is one of the greatest shows ever made and HEROES is a hack-job but still...if HEROES were any good, I'd like it too.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 9:47 a.m. CST

    On the one hand this sucks

    by Jor-El23

    but on the other hand, do we need yet another character added to the show in season 3, taking away from the regulars we know and love? I think it was a big mistake adding new characters this year.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST

    So, let me get this straight

    by Reel American Hero

    Cloverfield is like Godzilla 1998 but hopefully good? And is it really cancelling a show before it's even been aired, there's got to be another term for that.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    I think Smith just couldn't get it done

    by INWOsuxRED

    I'm guessing he is still writing the first scene of his episode, if he has even gotten that far. I've never seen a Roth movie, and have no real interest in him. Having seen him interviewed, I imagine he is also an asshole to deal with. I can see why NBC would decide to scrub this, just based on the people involved.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 10:33 a.m. CST

    I don't watch Heroes

    by CherryValance

    (can't get into it) but this actually seemed like a good idea. Because the episodes were supposed to be self-contained right? And the idea of having guys like Roth and Smith come in to do episodes seemed like a great idea actually. Because, imo, TV still sucks so any of the movies those guys have done are better than 95% of the crap on television. I don't know what it is with these networks though. They have to give shows a chance. I mean every tv talkback has the "Twin Peaks" ad on it. And we all look back on it so fondly as one of if not the best series ever, but guess what? It was cancelled too. And wasn't there even talk last year that LOST was in jeopardy because of that crappy mini-season? And then look how stellar the rest of the year turned out. TV executives are dumb. What I wouldn't give for a season 3 with bad Dale running around Twin Peaks. *sigh*

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    I wonder if..

    by Reel American Hero

    They'll change the name of the Wolverine movie now. The whole 'X-Men Origins:Wolverine' title seemed to be taken from the announced Heroes:Origins title.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Yes, Shifty, Top 30 is a good rating.

    by Lenny Nero

    I wonder what you'd be saying if you were talking about a show you liked in the Top 30, as opposed to one you clearly don't like. Seriously, though, don't try to convince us that being in the Top 30 is not an impressive thing.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Can you cancel something that hasn't aired yet?

    by fiester

    Really?

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Heroes wasn't number one...

    by godric

    Heroes was not number one last year...it wasn't even in the top ten. According to the Nielsen wrap-up, it was 21st, behind Lost, Cold Case, Two and a Half Men, and others... So 21st to 30th isn't that big a drop. But it will drop further if quality doesn't pick up.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Declining ratings might help Heroes creatively...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    With lower ratings, NBC might cut the show's per-episode budget. That would probably mean getting rid of extraneous characters, and focusing on just a few concurrently running storylines at once. Really, the show needs this to happen. There's not much that excites or raises my curiosity this season, except maybe who the assassin is.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    This stinks, and was during sweeps

    by ororo_munroe

    What are they going to put on during sweeps? Some reality crapfest no doubt.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Just re-use all of the scripts from Rockford Files

    by Diagnostic

    honestly why not? Don't re-imagine or change anything. Just re-shoot it.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Keep Heroes: Origins, Cancel Heroes.

    by Ironmuskrat

    After watching this season of Heroes plod along with too many characters and not enough action, I would love to see some stand alone episodes, focusing on one or two heroes. <p> How about an episode where Matt uses his powers to solve a case and catch some bad guys. Or have Claire use her power to do something good instead of doing something stupid and childish. <p> The perfect example of this is Hiro's adventure in Japan. That could have been a cool story arc that would have taken place over four or five episodes. Instead the story is pushed to the background as a series of flashbacks told through stories that Ando is reading off little slips of paper. <p> I was looking forward to Heroes: Origins just to see some more focused stories and less filler.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Wish there was another way...

    by richier123

    for the screen writers to get their due, instead of going on strike. Now I think that all the screenwriters are total doucebags. You're job is to create tv shows for us, can't you do that WHILST negotiating, just like every other person in the world that's not in a union? The REAL reason this pisses me off is that now Lost may not come back. Again though, although I called you douche's, its selfish of me an i apologize, but it really does piss me off.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST

    The 2nd best TV show? What's the 1st?

    by AaronJoseph

    I'm talkin' bout the Twin Peaks shout out at the bottom.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST

    LEAVE HOLLYWOOD WRITERS ALONE!

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Rich, extremely liberal studio execs...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...want more $$$ to donate to their favorite liberal causes -- THEMSELVES! 'Nuff said.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST

    How many more weeks until LOST?

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    *sigh

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Hey bacci40...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    LOST wisely has been shooting ALL of their episodes BEFORE the season begins. By the time Season 4 begins in February, LOST will have shot all of the episodes. So while HEROES fans will be weeping over their lack of episodes, LOST fans will be in science fictional ecstasy! Who's the dumbass now, DUMBASS?!?

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Lost & 24 have already been filmed

    by AlwaysThere

    At least 10 episodes of LOST, and half a day of 24 if I remember correctly.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 1:17 p.m. CST

    So Hiro's Butterfly Effect was making everything boring?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    I really hope the illegal immigrant virus mutated by the Company (despite Mohinder's complaining and meddling) kills half the cast and they don't all come back with beards and amnesia in Season 3.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Heroes Sucks.

    by Internet Thug

    Boring..couldn't give a shit about the characters..makes sense they cancelled the spin off..hopefully they'll cancel the show next.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Maybe it's more to do with...

    by Kid Z

    ... how Heroes is crashing and burning like Oceanic Flight 815. I doubt we'll see a third season at this point, so who needs a spin-off?

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Blame the producers? Blame the show.

    by minderbinder

    Ratings are nothing special, and probably will drop more once 24 shows up. And this season has received a critical drubbing. Looks like it will probably get better, but let's hope saving a few exciting events (mostly deaths and flashbacks) for sweeps weeks doesn't become the status quo.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Hash made with a fresh, good cut...

    by Kid Z

    ... of corned beef, freshly cut potatoes and onions and just the right seasonings and maybe a nice free range fried egg is wonderful! Heroes this season, however is the Dinty Moore canned variety... mushy crap!

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    I loved Season 1 but I haven't bothered watching Season 2 for 3

    by Hairy Potter

    because it boring.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    HAPPY now Heroes Haters?

    by zooch

    It will be replaced by 10 more reality tv and game shows.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    We're not Heroes Haters

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    hell, we stuck with it this long EXPECTING it to be good... then just HOPING it would get good again... and now we've hit acceptance that it's going down in flames.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    FUCK Unions! (and the strike has nothing to do with this cancel

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    First of all, this strike and the cancellation are completely unrelated, no matter what spin they try to put on it.<br><br>That being said, I HATE unions. There was a time when they were necessary, when people were being paid pennies a day and working in horrible conditions. But now Unions are just mobs of people trying to strong-arm employers into working as little as possible for as much money as they can get. It's ridiculous. DISBAND ALL UNIONS!<br><br>I don't get employers who tolerate this stuff. If a union strikes, just fill their jobs with people who are willing to take the jobs. Maybe I'll become a "professional scab", swooping into jobs from one strike to the next.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Lenny Nero, re: Top 30

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    MOST of the shows I like hover around the Top 30, but I 'm smart enough to know that's far from successful enough to guarantee renewal or studio support. Hell, it seems like every show I like (which are never in the Top 10 - America, your tastes suck!) ends up getting cancelled.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    ALL scripted shows will be hit by the strike.

    by minderbinder

    24 and Lost aren't done shooting the season, so we'd probably see about the same number of episodes as shows that are on now. One of the strike articles specifically mentioned that lost has about 8 episodes in the can at this point - a long strike now would mean about a half season airing in the spring. And is anyone else sick of the incessant fucking Lost/Heroes comparions? They are both shows that have had great points and weak points...I don't get the idiotic idea that everyone must hate one and love the other.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    "Out of a Job Yet? Keep on Buying Foreign!"

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Unions are greedy and quick to cast blame. I live in a union town and see these stickers popping up on "Domestic" autos everywhere. Apparently these idiots are losing their jobs and believe that it is Honda and Toyota's fault. They unfortunately fail to see through the racist rhetoric of their union leaders. Their stupidity is highlighted in the fact that they viewed Daimler-Chrysler as domestic even when their HQ was located in Berlin.... (Before they split up!) BTW: My 2008 EX-L V6 Accord was built in Ohio....

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    it sucked last season

    by hank quinlan

    Heroes was lame last year. Its like Marvels New Universe from the 80's. And we all know how THAT turned out. Really...I gave up after that horrificly bad season finale. And even then I had checked out for several episodes. Welcome to the party, pals. I never got this shows popularity. Lost was amazingly uneven. And did a terrible job respecting its viewers. But I will say this: when it's good...its fucking awesome. On a level, Heroes in its best ep. never reached. And by the way, its best ep. was that future episode from season 1. Did Tim Kring never read Claremont era X-Men? He's mining shit that was fresh 20 years ago. I guess the general populace has caught onto the dog and pony nature. Too many characters. Always kills it. Unless you're The Wire. Greatest drama EVER. Adios Heroes. And I still wish they'd kept Studio 60. That second season would have only gotten better.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    I think We jumped

    by lecter1914

    The gun...i distinctly remember watching heroes last year bored out of my mind. A bunch of characters that were written and acted badly and everything just seemed so lame. The show almost lost me when Mohinder is driving a cab(which inexplicably he never did again except to save Peter from Sylar) and HRG steps in looking all weird. I thought it was the dumbest thing I had ever seen. However, I continued to watch, bored out of my mind.....and then suddenly..future Hiro shows up and the show just got better and better until of course the end. Future Hiro didnt show up until about 5-6 episodes in. We are 6 episodes into season 2 and im expecting things to ramp up..be patient, this happened last year and then it suddenly ramped up.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Marvel's New Universe...

    by sapno_krei

    ...started out unfocused as well, which is why they trimmed away 1/2 of the titles and folded the characters into the remaining 4. I remember giving up on the New U about 10 months in, and then being pleasantly surprised when I picked up some re-vamped titles about a year later. Sadly, my joy would not last, as the entire line got canceled just shy of 3 years in.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    rant rant rant.

    by carneguisada

    I'm SOOOOOOO f***ing PISSED!! And disappointed. RATS. Why not just give writers what they deserve so we can all watch HEROES 24/7? JEEZ. I was SO EXCITED about that. Wah. Rant rant rant.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Heroes Season 1 took awhile to get good too

    by TheSecondQuest

    I only recently caught the first season on DVD so I'd be able to catch it for the new season- and while it wasn't bad at the start, it's pacing was VERY slow for the first 5 or 6 episodes. It wasn't until Future Hiro showed up on the subway that the show really picked up the pace and became pretty good. And this second season seems to be following the same pattern. These first 5 episodes or so were pretty slow, but the last episode started to pick the pace up again.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    anyone remember the GORE?

    by turketron

    Remember the awesome gore that was in the first few episodes of season 1? The people Jessica ripped apart, Sylar's brainless victims, the cheerleader autopsy? I thought that was cool, you don't see that on network television very much (and it's been pretty absent from season 2). Honorable mention goes to the death of Linderman too.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST

    oh yeah, and

    by turketron

    Claire sticking her hand down the garbage disposal was pretty wicked too.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 4:19 p.m. CST

    pinky toe

    by turketron

    was pretty nasty this year though... but not on the level of stuff we saw in season 1!

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    I love how people say: "Heroes sucks THIS season".

    by Novaman5000

    Uh.. You were watching last year, right? It wasn't that good then, either.<p> I think ratings absolutely played a part in this decision, but probably wasn't the only factor.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    that sucks

    by CaptainBitchway

    because it would actually give them a chance to recapture some of the intrigue and awe from the first season, which is sorely missing from the second season.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST

    I was watching a news item about this in the UK

    by emeraldboy

    The upshot seems to be that there is a deal. But if the writers dont accept, they are being told that they will never work in the industry again . But for those who hate lost and heroes and want them off the air. the warning is this. There is a group of shows that dont need writers. Its called reality tv. It needs no creative brain to make these the. they are cheap to make. Hollywood wil gladly give tv over to simon Cowell. The ever growing Corporate anacondas that are the Murdoch empire and simon cowell companys are enveloping hollywood. Hollywood is standing idly bye. While some talkbackers do nothing but moan on about how terrible hollywood is. and do nothing all the while the likes of Murdoch and Cowell suck out all the creative life out of hollywood.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Unions

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    Writers do a job, for a price, up front. If they don't get more money from later sales, I'm not gonna cry for them. If I am carpenter, and I help build a house, should I get a piece of the money EVERY time that house sells to a new owner? No, I did my job for a price up front, and that's the end of my involvement. <br><br>Don't kid yourselves. Unions and their workers are just as greedy as the corporations they fight against. Oh, and these Hollywood writers are making plenty of money - I'm sure more than most of us here. So I shed no tears for their plight.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST

    I love how people use "Reality TV" as a threat

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    Yeah, most reality tv sucks. But they are NEVER going to stp making scripted television. Because people would just get sick of it and stop watching network tv altogether. At which point, what would they do to bring people back? Scripted shows.<br><br>Not to mention, look at ancilliary $$. DVD's of scripted shows bring in MILLION$. Reality shows dont sell well, with few exceptions. They'll never stop making shows that generate $$ both on television AND dvd, plus potential merchandising $$.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Thought for a second it read 'NBC Cancels Heroes!!'

    by performingmonkey

    You all know that would be the right decision, right? It was only good for the middle third of the first season (at least things like Eccleston's appearance and George Takei fooled me into thinking I was watching a good series for a while) If after a whole season I still don't give a fuck about 90% of the characters they're doing something wrong. At the moment I'm craving the return of Lost, 24 and Galactica (fucking April motherfuckers, AND the season split over 2 years...fucking fuckers). Speaking of 24, yes season 6 was less good but a recent re-viewing of it on DVD, flying through the episodes, made it much easier to bear. This is the first time I wish I'd waited for the DVD and not watched it week after painful (in this case) week. I'm looking forward to 24 entertaining me again. Lost, of course, was on the right road in a BIG way at the end of season 3. We just have to pray they don't screw it up. If they don't we are going to witness something truly phenomenal. Best show on TV (except Galactica...and 24...when both or them are in a good place...)

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Every time there's a TV strike

    by Napoleon Park

    television loses viewers it never gets back. They move on to cable, movies, rentals, reading, actually watching that shelf full of things they taped, etc. <p>To drastically oversimplify the issues, the main deal is... have you ever bought or rented a TV show on DVD or downloaded one from iTunes or watched streaming video on the network web sites? Well the writers who created those shows would like part of the profits. Also, the people who write for the reality shows want credit and pay instead of getting buried as "creative consultants"<p>I support the creators, not the suits.<p>I agree with the above poster who said reality shows can never replace scripted TV, but for a different reason. The more the main broadcast networks air reality shows, the better it is for networks like TV Land, Nick and Nite, TNT etc. which specialize in showing classic scripted series.<p><br><p>Someone thought the Wolverine movie was patterning it's title after the Heroes spin-off. first I heard of it, but anyway, didn't Marvel have a Wolverine graphic novel called "Origins" several years ago? Yes, they did.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 8:21 p.m. CST

    "Season 1 was slow!!5+6=1111!"

    by VegasRon

    All of you "S1 started slow so it's okay that S2 is starting slow too" idiots, pls shut the fuck up.Yes, S1 started slow, BUT it still hit us with a lot of amazing stuff with INTERESTING characters we were just learning about. Claire's jumping off of buildings, Parkman's first crime scene with the serial killer we new nothing about, the mystery of what Peter's powers really were, the mushroom cloud painting, HRG, just to name a few. All of these things were very compelling elements in a well done slow build up. This year is just crap about crap I don't care about with crappy new "heroes" I don't give a crap about. Though it is cool to see HRG get back into kick ass mode.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 8:48 p.m. CST

    There's the same mix of good and bad between seasons

    by TheSecondQuest

    Both seasons had stupid cliche cartoon high school environments and cut-out students to an annoying degree, regardless of Claire's presence in those storylines. The whole congressman brother/mother/Peter interactions were really dull and padded, etc. Both seasons have bene consistent with Claire's father being awesome. Season 2 has had highlights- I've found Hiro's whole ordeal to be pretty good (I suspect he'll have to take on Kensei's name to right history or something), Sylar's great no matter what, Parkman has a pretty interesting plotline setup now with dad/Nightmare Man, and I rather like the notion of Peter rediscovering who he is (though the preceeding Irish plotline dragged on way too long). There's also been the insights into the company and "family portrait murders".

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Does anyone really believe that they would cancel origins

    by slappy jones

    if they were not worried about the regular series ratings? Last week they were 3 million viewers down on the same point during the first season. they are losing viewers every week. it is am expecnsive show to make...it cannot afford to lose many more viewers. I personally think the season sucks so far but I wonder if the ratings also have something to do with NBC not selling theit shit on i tunes anymore? I don't know but heroes was a big seller over there and last year ratings wise it did fine...maybe? I dunno...just a thought but face it...so far this season it has been really bad. the shit with peter in ireland is hilariously awful..hiros story is boring..the twins are pretty dreary....claires story is fairly obvious. Hopefully they can turn it around but it doesn;t look good so far.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Novaman why are you still watching heroes?

    by slappy jones

    if you believe this season is as bad as lasts why the fuck are you watching it?? seriously...not trying to start a fight or argument I am genuinely interested in why yopui are wacthing the second season of a show whose first season you claim to dislike. its like people who say they hated all three LOTR films. wjhy the fuck would you watch 2 three hour sequels if you hated the first one?? anyway...

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Thanks, NBC!

    by RetroActive

    What a relief. Now, pick up the pace with this season already!

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Where was the Nip/Tuck talkback?

    by GQtaste

    Come on Herc. Talking about some dumbass show when you could be discussing another dumbass show thats a bit more entertaining.

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 12:18 a.m. CST

    S1's slow start does not excuse S2 slow start

    by chromedome

    There is no good reason that S2 must reset to zero and start slow again. There is no good reason that each season must have 5-6 episodes to get BACK up to speed and be interesting AFTER that.<p>Until S6 of 24, it started fast and kept going. S6 started fast and then dissolved into mush, but that is another tb, another day.<p>So the plan some seem to support is that each new season of Heroes can start with 6 or so dull episodes until it finds its legs again? Why set low expectations? <p>I would hope that fan reaction this season will RAISE expectations on the writers for S3, not endorse mediocre starts each season.<p>It appears that 24 got the message last season, and apparently Bionica is getting a mid-season reaming and retooling. Don't buy in to "well, as long as it gets going about halfway thru, that is okay" and the writers will have to step up their game.

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 12:20 a.m. CST

    I do hope it gets rolling soon, because I like the show

    by chromedome

    and I do want to see a season 3...<p>and a successful Origins spin-off would be good, too.<p>maybe they will just focus on Heroes for now, and go back to the Origins idea later...

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Disappointed

    by Icht Buff

    First off, the first season of Heroes took time to build steam too. All of you that are forgetting that and dogging on the new season need to just relax and enjoy the nice scripted scifi television we all love. The worst ep of Heroes is wayyyyy better than any retarded reality bullshit. I was looking forward to Origins. Sad.

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 1:22 a.m. CST

    You know reality shows are scripted too, right?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    It's worse than wrestling. They're all fed lines. Read the credit some times, they have more writers than a lot of regular shows. Oh, and Heroes S1 didn't start nearly this slow. Cliffhangers on nearly ever episode, stuff to actually talk about (I bet the elf girl is bad, he's totally Rogue, the dad is so obviously evil that he has to be a good guy, etc.).

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Icht Buff...

    by VegasRon

    ...scroll up and read my response to your "the first season took time to build steam too" drivel. Name one thing in S2 that is *remotely* as interesting as anything in the first half dozen eps of S1 that isn't a direct ripoff. That's the rub.

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 2:20 a.m. CST

    We are not forgetting that S1 started slowly

    by chromedome

    We are just frustrated with the nonsensical approach to season 2: "S2 can start slowly too, even more slowly, throwing away the pacing and lively storytelling created over the course of S1."<p>That dog don't hunt....

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 2:29 a.m. CST

    S1 vs S2

    by chromedome

    In season 1, people discovered they had special abilities and powers, came to terms with it, and began acting like Heroes with a Purpose.<p>In season 2, Heroes have no purpose, and begin acting like people with powers and abusing them, or, even more fatal to a Story, using them to be dull: "let's use our powers to get you on the cheerleading squad, let's use powers to jump rope, let's use powers to hide in pubs, let's use powers to write little notes and hide them in swords, let's have people with powers spend a lot of time sleeping on screen, but, above all, let's NOT have anyone with powers do anything Heroic.<p>So far the only character doing anything remotely interesting is HRG--who mysteriously was able to retain his cahones from S1. <p>I want Heroes to be like S1, not with the "slow start formula" but with the writing that made me say "is it over ALREADY?" at the end. So far, S2 has me looking at my watch and thinking "is it over YET?"

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 3:06 a.m. CST

    News flash: Heroes moving to CBS!!!

    by Big Dumb Ape

    According to the news wires, NBC has finally realized just how shitty a network it is and just what morons they employ. As a result they're having a fire sale to admit their defeat and HEROES has been sold off to CBS.<p>It will now be retitled CSI: HEROES and magically its ratings will skyrocket back up. Which the more and more I think about it, is really not a bad plan!<p>Oh, and anyone trying to be SUCH an apologist for HEROES and its truly dismal and shitty writing this year by arguing "Sure it's been slow, but last year started slow too!" is TRULY CLUELESS. Chromedome above was right on target by pointing out the most basic notion of all: just because Season 1 started that way, that's no reason to think Season 2 should have had the exact same structure versus hitting the ground running and keeping the momentum FROM Season 1 going.<p>Besides if that's your argument -- and assuming the show survives to a Season 3 -- I guess we can expect Tim Kring and company to pull the same bullshit all over again...which means you now know that you don't have to bother watching Season 3 till after Christmas or into the Spring when any plotlines would FINALLY be moving with SOME degree of interest. But, hey, think of the up side -- you'll save an hour of your life each week during the Fall NBC season...

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Oh No!

    by Lashlarue

    Never cared about this anyway.

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 3:47 a.m. CST

    Heroes has lost it

    by DickheadK

    I watched it faithfully. It really is starting to suck. YA TA! If I here ya ta any more I'm going to puke. Mystery? Gone. Stupidity? Way high. They need writers to rectify it quickly and that's not going to happen by the looks of it. Even so, these writers suck ass and should start reading more comic books or listening to their kids about super heroes. DickHdK

  • He doesn't deserve to be stuck in the shithole that is Heroes. He's used it to raise his profile, now move on.

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 7:27 a.m. CST

    I AGREE

    by turketron

    hechtal, chromedome, and you other non-apologists are hitting the nail right on the head. Great pie analogy above, btw. There's no reason for a show to start off lame for the season. Of course, Heroes season 1 ENDED with a whimper too... we all remember the lackluster finale with the lamest fight ever between people that have a catalogue of powers. "Bu-bu-but season ONE started this way tooo!" GTFO, no it didn't! And even if it did, it's no excuse for season 2!

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST

    The uk govt was going to deport one of the Uk big brother contes

    by emeraldboy

    or wherever it was she came from. anyway it was revealed in the press that endemol in the UK used the contact book of a talent agency to get contestants and one of them was the person who was going to be deported back to nigeria. She fought the govt and she won her argument to stay in the country. MTV's the real world was completely stage managed from top to bottom. Former MOdel and actress Jacinta Barratt used the real world to kick start her film career.

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Chromedome is a bastard.

    by VegasRon

    Chromedome stole my thunder with his more eloquently put point that repeats what I said. ECL and CD are ripoff bastards of the highest order! Or I just can't be bothered to type all that out. In any event, ditto what those fuckers said.

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 10:05 a.m. CST

    POONTANG PIE

    by turketron

    The memory lingers for a long time... don't eat it if it smells bad though! No matter how drunk you are!!! Fock!

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Mixed on the Strike

    by _Maltheus_

    Whereas I do think writers should get a cut of what the studio makes off their work, regardless of medium, I also think most Hollywood writers are so bad that they should be sucking studio cock for not having to work in a 7-11. They should view their jobs as charity and they shouldn't be looking no gift horse in the mouth. I think anyone has the right to organize against their employer, but if the employers know what's good for them, they should fire them right away. Every industry with a strong union presence is eventually destroyed by it. You'd figure the auto industry would have learned this by now, but even they keep on striking, pushing the few remaining jobs overseas. With writers, unions are worse, since they keep fresh talent out. The product itself is greatly affected by their nonsense.

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    So these would cost about as much as a

    by jimbojones123

    regular epidode, but they would save LOADS on paying the cast. What's the holdup??

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Heroes doesn't suck.

    by Pops Freshemeyer

    The "problem" that so many people have with the show are due to unrealistic expectations. People want to complain because the show isn't delivering what they want right now and is moving along at it's own pace. People are complaining because they didn't get the big superpower showdown at the end of season one, even though it would've been completely out of place. You would think by now that people would have learned the lessons of the Star Wars prequels and would go in waiting to see what they're given, instead of building up the project in their own minds and crying because it wasn't done their way. If you want it your way go to Burger King...

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST

    The holdup is...

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    the writers realized they are unable to do a "slow build up" in one-hour self contained episodes. "You mean we have to wrap it up in 60 minutes? But I wanted to stretch Sulu drinking a cup of coffee over six episodes until he noticed his reflection at the bottom of the cup and flashed back to drinking another cup of coffee"

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Heroes season 2

    by SlickyVonBoner

    Exactly like season 1. Someone mysterious is stalking people. A glimpse of the future shows something terrible happening to New York. Claire tries to fit in at school while her dad sneaks around abducting people. Damn Tim Kring now you're ripping off yourself!! Progress the damn story before you get cancelled. Concentrate on a few heroes per episode, cut the fat a little. P.S. Maya is smoking hot, don't kill her off.

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 1:10 p.m. CST

    The Man/Bastard says thanks

    by chromedome

    to hechtal, turketron, and VegasRon<p>;-)

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    and to BDA too

    by chromedome

    basically, we are not ripping each other off--we are noticing the same smell, and pointing it out.<p>Heroes' producers and writers would be truly afraid if they realized how seldom so much agreement occurs on AICN.

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST

    anyone see Hayden P. try and save the dolphins?

    by Zardoz

    She went to Japan to stop an annual dolphin hunt and broke-down crying after they failed to do so. Sad. Who the fuck eats dolphin meat, anyway? oh, right. The Japanese. Choke on it, fuckers!

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    this is bad news

    by zooch

    Not just for Heroes fans. But for every fan of any scripted tv show. Your shows are at risk too.

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    The problem with S2

    by cdubbs727

    The big problem with S2 isn't (just) the pace. Yes, S1 started slow...but it was introducing the characters and getting it's sea legs. Now that the characters know their powers and have united, they should be trying to make the world a better place, involved in actually saving people. Instead, the show keeps trying to create this big mythology. There's a big place for mythology in the show, but I'd like to see Heroes take the X-Files approach--do a few stand-alone episodes where the Heroes have a particular situation to figure out and then toss in the mythology when it applies. Keep the show moving fast, with the characters at least sympathetic. And STOP introducing new characters when you can't even make the original ones interesting!

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    "Slow pace" doesn't have to equal "bad"

    by veritasses

    There's a big difference between a show that has a "slow pace" but has good writing that's great entertainment and fun to watch vs a show with "slow pace" that has awful writing that is a chore to watch. Though in the later case, it's usually not referred to as a "slow" show, but rather just a bad one. I don't think any of us would mind a show starting "slow" as long as it was still entertaining. I don't want to compare shows but to illustrate my point, take Lost for instance. It's a show that is reaaaaal sloooooow to advance the main plots (what is this island, why are they there, who are the others etc), but the writing, directing and acting are usually of such high quality that (most of) the shows have been very enjoyable. In addition, they have some of the best "wtf did I just see" moments that pull us along and keep us feeling excited about seeing how they intend to explain it all. If Lost is guilty of anything, it might be that it has an over abundance of these moments, but personally, I'd rather have more then less. Lost vs Heroes might not be an entirely fair comparison since each Lost episode has it's own beginning, middle and end (in a sense) but the point should be clear. Slow doesn't have to mean bad. Heroes has always had bad writing (most obvious in the dialog and improbable character reactions) but at least in S1 it had those moments that were really cool and/or left us wanting to see how certain situations were going to be resolved. S2 has given us very little of this... and what they have given is too few and too poorly executed to keep the excitement level high week after week. Out of all the things they could be doing to make a "slow build up" better like creating deep/rich characters, establishing complex relationships, creating an interesting "Universe", making clear and steady progress along a certain path, creating well defined, well told sub plots that advanced at a steady pace, leaving us with interesting puzzles/mysteries to talk about (and no the virus and who is Kensei etc are not what I'm talking about), providing occasional, gratuitous, "thank you for continuing to watch" moments show casing uber-geek super powered moments etc, they've really done nothing but create a lot of "filler". And not intelligent, interesting filler. More like the kind of junk filler that makes people in TBs shout out "I can make better $#!* than this". When a good number of people start saying this, it's a clear sign of fan frustration at really poor story telling. And to show how widespread into the mainstream the Heroes slump is being felt, I even saw Ryan Seacrest talk about the slow's problems on the E! channel so even the most objective person has to acknowledge that the vast majority are realizing that something just isn't right with S2 (don't ask me what I was doing watching Seacrest let alone E!). Since NBC's been promoting the next few episodes as the big payoff we can all keep our fingers crossed and hope that they're going to redeem themselves.

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    @ maltheus

    by necgray

    WTF are you talking about? Just about every writer working is a member of the WGA. Writers who suck, yes, but also GOOD writers. And GOOD writers deserve what's coming to them, yeah? It's a "good for the goose is good for the gander" situation. And it seems to me that the product is affected more by the audience than the writer. Hollywood makes what sells. So if you want to point the finger of shame at anyone, point it at the audience, not the writer. Shit, that's the only way Tyler Perry is in the film industry. People pay to see his dreck.

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    holy shit, heroes sux this year

    by johnnyangelheart

    if anyone's noticed. and it's going to take more than 5 minutes of kristen bell to fix it. when you see the future and 97% of the world is dead and you're happy because that means 97% of the cast and writers of heroes are dead, too, then that's not a good thing, i think.

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    saving money with CGI re-use

    by chromedome

    nothing says Killer Virus like a (slightly altered from S1) cgi of a smoldering, destroyed cityscape.

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Yikes

    by JoeSixPack

    Doesn't bode well for the series

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 11:27 p.m. CST

    CD, dont be so dense...

    by VegasRon

    ...it's an EXPLODING virus. It's embarrassing that I have to spell everything out for you. Sheesh.

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST

    The thing that's killing "Heroes" is simple:

    by slapshot

    Subtitles. Joe Average don't like subtitles. Joe Average don't watch movies or tv shows with subtitles. It was accepted last year, mainly confined to one character, who was mainly used for comic relief. ("I did it!!!") It is not being accepted this year with (at least): two characters in the present day speaking Japanese with subtitles; multiple characters in the past speaking Japanese with subtitles; two, sometimes more, characters (new, boring ones at that) speaking Spanish with subtitles; and then this week adding in HRG in Russia, throwing around the dosvidanya's and tovarich's, also with frickin' subtitles. I love foreign movies, and I'm even getting sick of it. The average viewer looking for fun, escapist programming, is not going to sit on the couch reading the tv screen for half a program, and they've got damn near half the cast speaking in foreign languages. Cue the sound of the remote button clicking...

  • Nov. 2, 2007, 11:55 p.m. CST

    bitching about subtitles

    by zooch

    is retarded. you read comic books.

  • Nov. 3, 2007, 12:20 a.m. CST

    I wonder

    by Napoleon Park

    what is AICN going to do for talkbacks after midnight Sunday when the strike starts. Oh, there are probably a few shows with a few scripts stockpiled and enough people willing to cross picket lines to make a few more episodes, but then what? Writers are working with contracts negotiated before DVD sale and rentals, online streaming video and purchasable downloads even existed, and they want their residuals from those sources. That's the key issue they can't back down on and that money is what the studios don't want to give up. This could take a while...<p> check Mark Evanier's NewsFromME site for updates from the pro writers POV.

  • Nov. 3, 2007, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Illiterates who don't like subtitles

    by Napoleon Park

    should try to revive radio drama.<p>I have nothing against sub-titles, it's subtleties I can't stand. I want to be hit over the head with every plot point clearly spelled out - and no large ensemble casts or shows with more than two ongoing plots at a time! No more subtlety!

  • Nov. 3, 2007, 1:24 a.m. CST

    VR: ah, SplodoVirus!

    by chromedome

    THAT explains how NYC is flaming rubble (again). I AM embarrassed, sir, but appreciate the assist, sir.<p>Fortunately, Heroes and Events have aligned themselves to Save The Cheerleader's Spot On The Squad, Thus Saving the World.<p>Take THAT, Stupid SplodoVirus!

  • Nov. 3, 2007, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Writer's Strike: AICN TBers Scab Scripts!

    by chromedome

    Hey, we are all Certain we can write these shows better--check ANY talkback. We can group write the shows right here online, and wait for our residual checks to show up in the mail.<p>And wait.<p>and wait....

  • Nov. 3, 2007, 1:29 a.m. CST

    I'd be happy to write an All Boomer episode of BSG

    by chromedome

    for starters....

  • Nov. 3, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST

    AICN writers

    by INWOsuxRED

    in one recent talkback someone threw down the challenge to come up with better stories for Heroes. The responses were: One person said they would hire better writers, the other person went on to list most of the plots this season but then suggested that he would write them in a way that didn't suck.

  • Nov. 3, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    I prefer to blame the general awefulness of Season 2

    by Veraxus

    I'm sure the writers strike is going to kill a lot teetering projects, which is really fucking lame... but Heroes just plain sucks now, so I really don't care if the show itself gets canceled, let alone a half-assed spinoff.

  • Nov. 3, 2007, 9:10 p.m. CST

    alternate generations ending

    by INWOsuxRED

    TV guide says they're shooting an alternate "season finale" ending for the Generations arc, in case the strike cuts the season short.

  • Nov. 4, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    SPOILER - Last night they pretty much confirmed...

    by INWOsuxRED

    Jack Coleman's interview last night on G4 pretty much confirmed what most people suspected about Adam Monroe being someone we know, meaning Kensei. I also liked the Kring interview, and don't get people who still don't beleive he didn't read comics as a kid.

  • Nov. 4, 2007, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Still enjoy the show

    by hairlesspet

    I'm not being and apolgist at all, because frankly there were some episodes this season that were stupid as s***, but I do think it's still a good show. And the Nissan Versa and Rogue are awesome cars...wait...DAMN YOU KRING! DAMN YOU TO HELL!!