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MST3K’s Hodgson, Beaulieu (Original Crow) and Weinstein (Original Servo) Are Reteaming To Mock More Movies For You!!
I am – Hercules!!
The original Joel Robinson, Crow T. Robot and Tom Servo are reuniting to mock a (yet undisclosed) movie.
They’ve licensed a title and hope to “get it delivered in time for Christmas!”
Joel "Agent J" Hodgson writes:
Greetings friends,
It’s been just amazing the last few years: what with MST3K being honored as a top 25 science fiction show and top 25 “cult” show by TV Guide, and, most notably, in September being listed as one of the “Top One Hundred TV Shows Ever” by TIME – whew! Never saw it coming. Even mo-better are the really nice people that I’ve met who’ve had, and still have, great experiences watching horrendously great movies along with me and my funny friends. Thanks for mentioning it, thanks for keeping the dream alive, and thanks for buying the DVDs. It’s all been strange and mysterious and lovely, and it makes me want to do it all over again. And now, almost 20 years later, I am. I’ve decided, in collaboration with the other bold souls who “started it all,” to do a new project that is strong enough for our diehard audience, and also gentle and easy to swallow for those that are new to movie riffing. Wait for it….wait for it…. meet Cinematic Titanic!
It’s going to be powered by the original cast of MST3K! Trace Beaulieu (the *original* "Crow"), J. Elvis Weinstein (the *original* "Servo") and yours truly, along with some friends who came along later to make the show great: the beloved Frank Conniff and the scathingly brilliant Mary Jo Pehl.
We’re very busy writing and doing preproduction right now – so the website is tiny, but the big thing right now is to sign up for the newsletter so we can keep you informed about the fine movie riffing we’ve got planned for you. We’ve licensed our first title and are working at a brisk pace to get it delivered in time for Christmas! So you can give it as a gift to one of your sly friends or a loved one. Or you yourself can watch over the holidays to fight off that strange malaise that always seems to happen. Our first release is at this time a total secret, however – I’m willing to say it makes “Manos the Hands of Fate” look like “Santa Claus Conquers the Martians” in a car wreck with “Eegah!” with notes of peach.
Also, in the news: I’ve just been interviewed by Lucasfilm online, in anticipation of Cinematic Titanic’s first live show and world premiere in San Francisco in December. We will link to that story as soon as it is released. Sorry, but this special live show is a closed event for I.L.M/Lucasfilm employees and guests only. As of this writing we are still negotiating some of the fine points, however I am pleased to mention that they’ve granted us the rights to offer this event to you, the friends of Cinematic Titanic, remotely and slightly after the fact - stay tuned.
Check in often as we intend to get the entire cast giving you their distinct takes on constructing this “lean, mean, movie-riffing machine” we call Cinematic Titanic in words, pictures and of course the moving image. For now, you can check out some of my design passes for the logo and such.
Happy Halloween,
Joel Hodgson
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Note that Hodgson's announcement comes on the heels of this (unrelated?) news from “Mystery Science Theater 3000” owner Best Brains Inc.:
LATEST NEWS -- October 29
THE 'BOTS ARE BACK!
We are excited to announce some very big news for MST3K fans.
But first, some housekeeping: For reasons that will become apparent, we need to ask those of you who reach our site using the URL MST3K.com to update your bookmarks, and please use the URL MST3Kinfo.com. Many of you use this URL already, but if you get to us via MST3K.com, starting next week you won't be able to anymore.
The reason is that, next week, MST3K.com will become a new destination for a brand new site, created by a reconstituted, relaunched Best Brains Inc.
Or, as they put it when they contacted us about this: The 'Bots are Back!
Beginning November 5th, BBI will be launching its very own website at MST3K.com. The site will feature brand-new animated adventures of Crow, Tom Servo and Gypsy. We're told the goal is to have one new adventure each week (though "some settling may occur with shipping," they added). The Web site will also feature work from the original series (which BBI is now calling "the legacy series"), behind-the-scenes footage and other material culled from the BBI vault.
Also on the site will be BBI's first online store, featuring all new merchandise. (This means that the BBI merchandise section of our site will be taken down. )
The new adventures of the 'bots are being produced by BBI President, MST3K series writer and the returning voice of Gypsy, Jim Mallon. He will be joined on this new experiment by veteran MST3K series writer and performer Paul Chaplin (who will be on the writing team and will be providing the voice of Crow) along with new writing and performing talent.
We know this is going generate a lot of buzz among the fan base and you all probably have a zillion questions. So do we. Many will be answered on Nov. 5th. More will be answered soon after. Jim told us that the site and project "are going to grow in a very organic fashion and we're going to let the characters and the story take us in the direction they want to take us." We at Satellite News can't wait to see it.
What does this mean for Satellite News? The biggest change is that we will no longer be known as "The official MST3K Web site," and this marks the end of our 10-year arrangement with Best Brains as the official voice of the old Info Club. Jim has, however, declared us, "The Official MST3K fan site." We still have close ties to BBI and whenever they have news you'll see it here first, along with news about the rest of the former cast and crew members of our favorite cowtown puppet show. For us, this is just one more topic in the growing list of MST3K-related news it's our job to report.
Of course, a third group of MST3K vets – Mike Nelson, Kevin Murphy (latter-day Servo) and Bill Corbett (latter-day Crow) – have been busy doing much the same thing with the Film Crew DVD series
and the Rifftrax website!
Thanks to “Ninjew” for the heads up!
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It’s been just amazing the last few years: what with MST3K being honored as a top 25 science fiction show and top 25 “cult” show by TV Guide, and, most notably, in September being listed as one of the “Top One Hundred TV Shows Ever” by TIME – whew! Never saw it coming. Even mo-better are the really nice people that I’ve met who’ve had, and still have, great experiences watching horrendously great movies along with me and my funny friends. Thanks for mentioning it, thanks for keeping the dream alive, and thanks for buying the DVDs. It’s all been strange and mysterious and lovely, and it makes me want to do it all over again. And now, almost 20 years later, I am. I’ve decided, in collaboration with the other bold souls who “started it all,” to do a new project that is strong enough for our diehard audience, and also gentle and easy to swallow for those that are new to movie riffing. Wait for it….wait for it…. meet Cinematic Titanic!
It’s going to be powered by the original cast of MST3K! Trace Beaulieu (the *original* "Crow"), J. Elvis Weinstein (the *original* "Servo") and yours truly, along with some friends who came along later to make the show great: the beloved Frank Conniff and the scathingly brilliant Mary Jo Pehl.
We’re very busy writing and doing preproduction right now – so the website is tiny, but the big thing right now is to sign up for the newsletter so we can keep you informed about the fine movie riffing we’ve got planned for you. We’ve licensed our first title and are working at a brisk pace to get it delivered in time for Christmas! So you can give it as a gift to one of your sly friends or a loved one. Or you yourself can watch over the holidays to fight off that strange malaise that always seems to happen. Our first release is at this time a total secret, however – I’m willing to say it makes “Manos the Hands of Fate” look like “Santa Claus Conquers the Martians” in a car wreck with “Eegah!” with notes of peach.
Also, in the news: I’ve just been interviewed by Lucasfilm online, in anticipation of Cinematic Titanic’s first live show and world premiere in San Francisco in December. We will link to that story as soon as it is released. Sorry, but this special live show is a closed event for I.L.M/Lucasfilm employees and guests only. As of this writing we are still negotiating some of the fine points, however I am pleased to mention that they’ve granted us the rights to offer this event to you, the friends of Cinematic Titanic, remotely and slightly after the fact - stay tuned.
Check in often as we intend to get the entire cast giving you their distinct takes on constructing this “lean, mean, movie-riffing machine” we call Cinematic Titanic in words, pictures and of course the moving image. For now, you can check out some of my design passes for the logo and such.
Happy Halloween,
Joel Hodgson
In case you missed it, you can sign up for the newsletter here.
Keep circulating the URL
THE 'BOTS ARE BACK!
We are excited to announce some very big news for MST3K fans.
But first, some housekeeping: For reasons that will become apparent, we need to ask those of you who reach our site using the URL MST3K.com to update your bookmarks, and please use the URL MST3Kinfo.com. Many of you use this URL already, but if you get to us via MST3K.com, starting next week you won't be able to anymore.
The reason is that, next week, MST3K.com will become a new destination for a brand new site, created by a reconstituted, relaunched Best Brains Inc.
Or, as they put it when they contacted us about this: The 'Bots are Back!
Beginning November 5th, BBI will be launching its very own website at MST3K.com. The site will feature brand-new animated adventures of Crow, Tom Servo and Gypsy. We're told the goal is to have one new adventure each week (though "some settling may occur with shipping," they added). The Web site will also feature work from the original series (which BBI is now calling "the legacy series"), behind-the-scenes footage and other material culled from the BBI vault.
Also on the site will be BBI's first online store, featuring all new merchandise. (This means that the BBI merchandise section of our site will be taken down. )
The new adventures of the 'bots are being produced by BBI President, MST3K series writer and the returning voice of Gypsy, Jim Mallon. He will be joined on this new experiment by veteran MST3K series writer and performer Paul Chaplin (who will be on the writing team and will be providing the voice of Crow) along with new writing and performing talent.
We know this is going generate a lot of buzz among the fan base and you all probably have a zillion questions. So do we. Many will be answered on Nov. 5th. More will be answered soon after. Jim told us that the site and project "are going to grow in a very organic fashion and we're going to let the characters and the story take us in the direction they want to take us." We at Satellite News can't wait to see it.
What does this mean for Satellite News? The biggest change is that we will no longer be known as "The official MST3K Web site," and this marks the end of our 10-year arrangement with Best Brains as the official voice of the old Info Club. Jim has, however, declared us, "The Official MST3K fan site." We still have close ties to BBI and whenever they have news you'll see it here first, along with news about the rest of the former cast and crew members of our favorite cowtown puppet show. For us, this is just one more topic in the growing list of MST3K-related news it's our job to report.
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This is good news indeed. I have missed the old bunch from MST3K.. Having long given up and any sensible release of the old show on DVD.
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This show must have been cheap to make. And it was funny. Never understood why it went away.
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thinking it may make the market go a bit thin.
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I do.
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I'd hate to have mean spirited competition between these three groups. I wonder what the Film Crew thinks of Cinematic Titanic. I'm sure it won't be too long before there's an interview...
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I'm an Icky Elf!
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[loses place] Oh, shit. Shit! Shit! Shit!
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Miles O'Keefe!
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RiffTrax.com, as Mike Nelson rules.
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I wonder if the live performance will be for SW: Episode 1. It certainly deserves the treatment.
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Mike just seemed like a jerk. Other than Red Zone Cuba and Clonus, the post-Joel MST3K was a mere shadow of it's former self.
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I'm with Team Mike for the win.
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my bad
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but I'm gonna. If it wasn't for Rifftrax, Joel never would have done this. Here's what happened: the old team was wallowing in semi-obscure gigs writing for some of the worst shit on TV. Occasionally in an interview they would be asked about MST3K, and they would say "that's not where I am anymore and we have no plans to get back together". Then Rifftrax came out and started making truckfulls of money. (There was even an interview a month or two ago in which Trace claimed to have never even have heard of Rifftrax and said something to the effect of "that's nice for them, but I'll never do that kind of thing again".Sure.) Suddenly, whatever principals they had to leave and go write for "Sabrina The Teenage Witch" or the "Jimmy Kimmel Show" fly out the fucking window when they realize how much scratch they can make and how popular they can be again. Mike Nelson never left riffing to "find his voice" like these other clowns, and now they're just riding the coattails of his post-MST3K success. Mabye that's too cynical, but it's how I feel. Plus, Josh was never funny. And that's a fact.
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Did certainly seem to lack something, but for my money is more in the choice of movies they did.. The Joel-era films were "better" in their cheesyness..
A lot of the Mike-era stuff was really sub par, all things considered.. I really enjoyed the sci-fi flicks Joel did..
I've enjoyed Mike's new venture but I look forward to seeing if Joel still has the "magic".. As for the Bot adventures? Meh...
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The show kind of blew my mind. It was one of my first jobs in Hollywood and Joel Hodgson was one of the writers, and I noticed that right away, and it wasn't until later in the production that I realized that the Casting director I was always hanging out with was Roger from the original Dawn of the Dead. My nerdness was sufficiently satisfied.
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Once a unified team, now three separate MST3k crews? I don't have a reference, but I had always heard that Beaulieu would never do riffing again unless it WAS Cameron's Titanic. Am I alone in having heard this? Josh Weinstein was a very funny Simpsons writer, but not much of a riffer. As an MST3k nerd, this news has my head spinning... so WEIRD!
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He never wrote for the Simpsons, he just did some shitty standup. In Hollywood, Josh Weinstein is as common a name as John Smith.
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I'm with OBSD on this one; Mike Nelson, Kevin Murphy and Bill Corbett have (and will continue to get) my money. Not only do they consitently make me laugh, but I've never heard one of them turn intio a supercilious douche like Joel tended to do... I've never heard any of them beat the dead horse with anything like that tired, "Thank you, Mister White Male Reality?" line that Joel trotted out like a million times...
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And yes, the Joel era pretty much rules over the Mike era. I'm so glad I taped so many of those off the Comedy Channel/Comedy Central back in the day, but I would gladly give all of your lives for MST3K season sets even though I realize such a thing is pretty much impossible.
Oh, and I'm sure I'm totally in the minority on this one, but I always preferred the Weinstein Servo to the Murphy Servo. Murphy's voice always seemed too stilted and forced to me.
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Wow, so maybe It's different when watching "good" movies, but I just went over to riff tracks, and was reminded all over again why I stopped watching after Joel left. In the spider-man clip, it's silent half the time, and ~the only joke made, is the one already in the scene.
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That was the best team... With Dr. Forrester and TV's Frank... But I'm happy really with any incarnation of the show returning... I wish it was back on TV tho...
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any crew with Joel > any crew without Joel
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that was Joel, naturally. But he hasn't been riffing in... what 14, 15 years? Mike has been riffing (or varitions of it, as seen in books like Goth Icky) consistantly since starting with MST3K. Joel went off to write for shitty shows, and then only came back to riffing when he saw how much Mike was making. THAT'S the difference.
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Though I love both hosts, I've always preferred Joel to Mike, and even felt like Mike was channeling Joel a bit for the first few years of his stint. The only drawback for me is that I've always preferred Kevin Murphy's Tom Servo--in fact, he's my favorite MST3K performer. If it was Joel and Kevin and Trace, this would be perfect!
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Both Joel's group and Mike's group should go head to head riffing on You Got Served.
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and make wise ass comments about their wise ass comments, looking down my nose over the noses that they are looking down at the movies.
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I agree that this is an attempt to cash in on the market that RiffTrax proved exists. Maybe Joel finally realizes that he should have just stayed with MST3K and kept making shows.
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The nerve to charge money for that mediocre crap. And at this point, in a desperate attempt to gey subscribers they're just going after popular movies that people really LIKE. Fuck that shit. DVDPodblast is the true Gold Standard for alternate DVD commentaries. They're live, off-the-cuff and funny as hell.
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OBSD, you are right and I am uninformed. Thanks for the heads-up. Now that I know the difference, I can forgive the Simpson's JW and continue hating J. Elvis. Vern, I think you need to look at this another way. I feel the MST3k guys love bad movies like you love bad movies. The difference is, they make wise ass comments and you are willing to give ANY director the benefit of a doubt. You're a pretty gracious guy, Vern.
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but they do riff on good films. There are plenty of crapfests available for them to use. I mean - c'mon, RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK? It ain't crap! I am looking forward to Cinematic Titanic as well, and as much as I love The Film Crew, I'd rather seen that go away in favor of Mike/Bill/Kevin joining up with Joel to make Cinematic Titanic a grand success - but they can keep doing RiffTrax forever, because I love that they can do new films as much as they want (like they wanted to do in the old MST3K days).
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Mike has always been funnier and more charismatic than Joel, though RiffTrax is really disappointing.
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What a trip. Three rival MST3K crews. Joel was best on camera, but Mike has been head writer since the Joel era, so it'll be interesting to see what happens.
The people upset that they are making fun of "good" movies like 300 are hilarious. How dare those wacky Minnesotans mock the genius that is Casino Royal!
Also, the people complaining that Joel's only trying to make money are pretty funny, too. It was his idea, right? I think the world's big enough for two mocking crews. But not three. Paul Chaplin can bite my magnificent golden ass. -
twice when I was in Junior High. He never did...but I still love you Joel. I even loved his one shot HBO show TV Wheel. Bring it back Joel!!!
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if Joel said "Mabye some day I'll come back". But he and his whole crew has been adamant that they would never do this again. That's the thing. Mike stuck with it, proving where his heart was. These other guys all just suddenly had a "change of heart" only when Rifftrax became successful. Because of this obvious money-grab, it may be less funny than if they genuinely decided it was time to "get the band back together". Every band that reuinites stricty for the money (after stating they'll never get back together) never sounds as good as when they were originally together. That's my opinion
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Just because he didn't originally play the character doesn't mean he wasn't the best Jason. That doesn't make any sense. Does that mean that Kristy Swanson was the best Buffy because she played the character first? Whuh?
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One one thing: A new Mystery Science Theater show. Check egos at the door, have two Tom Servos, 5-6 silhouettes, whatever. Give the people what they want! Even if it's an impossible dream!
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As my name suggests, I'm a pretty big fan of the show, and here's my impression of this latest news. Mike was funnier than Joel, and the show wasn't very good in its first season before Nelson came onboard as head writer. So all you "Joel is funnier than Mike" should know that Mike was creating a lot of the humor that you found so funny - and don't get me wrong, I always thought Joel was a pretty talented guy. My problem with the Rifftrax/Film Crew and now this new Joel thing is that there's this weird disconnect when its just middle-aged white guys making fun of the movies instead of characters stranded in space and forced to watch them. There's probalby some psychological study that needs to be done on this, because the latter makes me laugh out loud, the former makes me sort of uncomfortable and isn't so entertaining. The Jim Mallon directed thing just sounds lame to me. I feel like all these guys are trying - and I dont blame them for this - to make a living doing something their skilled at but doing so in a way that's a watered down version of the MST3K that was so great. I know it's cheaper to do things this way since the licensing isn't as big a problem, but without a Satellite of Love, Mike/Joel and the bots and the shadows on the screen it's just not all that good. And in a final bit of heresy, I've always thought Bill Corbett edged Trace out as a better Crow.
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Cause those Van Patten brothers are so very headstrong!
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The team of Joel, Kevin, Trace, and TVs Frank were firing on all cylinders even though I thought Mike was often funnier than the passive Joel. The low-budget quality of MST and the silhouette interactions really is a lot funnier than the disembodied voices of rifftrax. However, more people should skewer Hollywood (old and new) jackasses for the crap they put out on a line-by-line, scene-by-scene basis.
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Just launch a new MST3K series (or whatever they want to call it) and rotate the riffing crews on different movies. Joel and his crew on one, Mike and his crew on another, mix them up, etc. Or are these guys that unable to get along?
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I don't care who created shit.
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This announcement on the web has been greeted everywhere with all sorts of "Oh thank goodness, Mike sucked so much."
Are you all crazy? They were both good. The comedy central sketches and host segments were a lot better than the scifi channel ones, but the actual movie segments, the riffing, was much more consistent and funny in the scifi years than the early years. They just got better and better as they went along.
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I would just love to see them mock something I actually saw in theatres. Either one of those things I thought was good at the time or was pretty bad in any context. Mortal Kombat: Annihliation might actually be bearable if these guys take pot shots at it the whole time. Or Crossroads or Glitter.
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So why are people saying Joel is better? Team Nelson FTW.
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Honestly, as some have mentioned here, the entire concept is just BETTER when you have the shadows in front of the picture. You could see them interacting, turn towards each other for jokes, and even interact with the movie, like patting a characters head or something. The riffing is always good, but seeing actual characters interact with the films gave it the real MST3K quality . . . also, one of the best Futurama cameos ever!!
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They need to have just one giganimous one-shot MST3K reunion extravaganza. I mean have everybody come back and reprise their roles, with both Joel AND Mike in the theater for the first time ever. I think I'd have a Nerdgasm if they ever did this.
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I have been a huge fan of JH before the series and then I idolized him. He left due to burnout and having him return rocks the new millenium.
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I'd always been hoping for something like that - like, the S.O.L. crashes somewhere and its core is going to explode, so Mike, Joel, and the 'bots have to go in there and watch a really bad movie to stop the meltdown.
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i'm a big mstie. my username Prossor, if anyone knows was the badguy in the classic Warrior of the Lost World episode they did ("this isn't Mad Max, this is Sad Max"), played by the great Donald Pleasence sporting his Blofeld look from You Only Live Twice. the show was great, i like every era and both hosts EQUALLY believe it or not after watching that show for years. at first i liked mike, then joel, then realized they really have their own unique qualities (as cliche as that sounds), joel had more gravitas as a host (a performer at heart), mike was the nucleus for all the funnyness however. however my favorite character/brain was Trace Beaulieu's Crow. truly awesome, this guy was so insane even Joel/Mike, Servo would tell him to pullback in his crazyness at times. loved that guy.
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Because the only live MST3K show I know of was for "This Island Earth" (later used for the MST3K movie) featuring Mike. It was done in Minneapolis simultaneously with the MST3K convention, all though you didn't have to go to the convention to attend the show. But agreed, it was one of the funniest things I've ever seeen.
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Yes please.
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You've aped the perspective that MST3K is bad because it mocks movies and talks over them before. I hear that criticism from a lot of places and it surprises me to hear it from you, because it's bullshit. What about your fucking review of the Mr. Show screening of On Deadly Ground? That sounds like it was worse than what MST3K did, rewinding it over and over again, mocking it nonstop. A lot of the movies they mocked on MST3K were crimes against humanity and dignity, and a lot were charming in their stupid way, and the MST3K fellas clearly felt an affection for them, as we all do. Without fucking fail people who use that "I don't like MST3K because they talk over and disrespect movies" barely watched MST3K if at all. And they are full of shit.
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MST3K, is one of the funniest shows I have ever watched! Thank god for this! I hope this means even more MST3K in the future! PLEASE! The show has a HUGE following.
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There's no problem with mocking good movies, it just takes a little more talent than mocking gamara.
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Howard the Duck!
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The main difference, it would seem to me, 'twixt Joel and Mike is that Joel seemed to appreciate the goofiness of what he was watching, as well as the insane nature of the show itself. Mike, on the other hand, seemed to be far more cynical. The riffing seemed to go from laughing along with the movie to tearing it apart. Not that it bothered me overmuch. I'm so GLAD to hear these guys are coming back!
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Nor-mal view! *Nor*-mal view! NOR-mal view! NOR-MAL VIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!
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Oh, yes...there will be laughs!
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Fuckin' A, bubba.
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Mike was lightyears beyond "that sleepy eyed guy." Joel could go for ten minutes without saying a word only to give a whimpering joke and then return to silence once more. Mike was likeable, animated, and always cracking excellent jokes. No contest; it's Mike hands down. As to this new project, I'm happy for the new guys, but your ad campaign is kinda insulting... "the ORIGINAL Tom Servo..." whatever. Joel sucks, the old Servo is horrendous, and while Trace is an excellent Crow, he still isn't quite as funny as Bill. But infighting aside, QUIT FUCKING AROUND AND PUT MST3K BACK ON TV!!!!! Do an hour show if you have to. Put it back on Sci-fi, or USA, or VH1 (who has basically done nothing but run shows like MST since MST has been off air) or Fuse, or Comedy Central, or G4, or Spike. There are a lot of networks who could act as a great forum for this kind of show. If all these were in paly back when MST was in danger of cancellation, the show may have continued elsewhere. HELL, JUST SEND THEM STRAIGHT TO VIDEO!! EVEN THE INTERNET, but bring back the show!!!!
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Mike and Kevin Murphy FTW
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Coleman Francis is right - no matter how much I like Mike, Kevin and Bill, their riffing just doesn't have the coolness or the sweetness of the bots in silhouette with either Joel or Mike - and that's largely because of the host segments, where the personalities of the bots were explored... Who can forget Servo singing to Tibby, or Crow getting slacks instead of cool toys? And TV's Frank with Dr. F as the mads? Pure geekamatic bliss... If it were possible, I'd have Trace and Kevin playing Crow and Servo, Trace and Frank as the mads and Joel and Mike alternating as hosts each week - keep Mary Jo as a writer - her Pearl was fine for one ep but grew tiresome - but man, to have MST back would be amazing...
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I agree that the Film Crew releases are kind of sad, in a certain sense-- a bunch of middle aged dudes trying to relive past glories. But yes Mike had the sense to say "hey look, riffing is what I do" and has kept up with it. I bought all four Film Crew releases and yes, they vary from hilarious to so-so, just like MST3K did. Mike is the single most talented person associated with MST3K and he is the resaon that people are willing to buy Film Crew DVDs sight unseen.
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If there were an ultimate MST3K, Kevin Murphy would be Tom Servo again and Trace would be preferable to Bill Corbett from a seniority point of view. But Corbett was an AMAZING Crow (once he found his voice). I think the bottom line of all this is, whatever happens, the fans win.
I don't bother with RiffTrax and if Titanic and the MST online cartoon (Or whatever it is that Jim Mallon is doing) don't particularly interest me. But if the Joel Crew would care to do a Film Crew type show I'm sure I'd buy that too. Plus of course there are thousands of hours of REAL MST3K that are getting regular releases, a happy mix of ALL the periods.
And the single best episode EVER was Time Chasers, made without Joel, Trace, or Frank). "That cheese isn't gonna cut itself." Dude. -
The funniest thing associated with Mary Jo Pehl and Paul Scherstren (I REFUSE to call him "Chaplin"-- what a pretentious little theater geek) was the fast food sketch where the bots name tags said "Mary Jo" and "Paul."
Not to discount their writing contributions, but the one flaw in the sci-fi years was this "everyone who's left gets a promotion" attitude. MST's greatest strength was also its greatest weakness, that it was a gang of midwest theater geeks & local TV people of various talent levels who thought they could do a national show all by themselves. And they did. So you see, my point is, Time Chasers was the best episode. -
The whole Joel vs. Mike thing reeks of the old Kirk vs. Picard argument but there is only one truth...Joel pwnes Mike! LOL
Mike is a nice guy (met him, Kevin, Trace, and the others at the first MSTieCon way back when) but I thought he never quite as funny as Joel. -
Joel = Mike. Seriously who cares? The show was great with Joel, it was great with Mike. It only lost a step when it jumped to SciFi.But, by the end of their run they gained a lot of momentum and did some quality episodes. I'm just gald I got like every episode on VCD! Suck on that losers! All I know is I miss the Turkey Day Marathon on Comedy Central. I loved that.
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MITCHELL!
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Soultaker.
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Maybe?
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I don't get all the Mike, Kevin and Bill haters on this board. I am a Mistie fan and though I read aintitcool, I hardly ever post on here, but this has really ticked me off. It's totally unfair. My wife and I both watch stuff with Rifftrax commentaries all the time and we loved it -- it has a lot of the fun and energy of MST3K. I'll admit that some Rifftrax are more successful than others -- it's much better when applied to bad or cheesy movies like Battlefield Earth or (and I know I'll get slammed for saying this one) 300 than on classics like Raiders of the Lost Ark. But personally I think it's kinda lame and sad for Joel et al to be trying to ride Rifftrax's coattails. And I still find Mike, Bill and ESPECIALLY Kevin heeee-larious! If you haven't tried RiffTrax, you really need to. Film Crew is great too!
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Comedy Central era > Sci-fi era... I hated the Sci-fi skits... Bobo was kinda funny sometimes but the rest was damn near unwatchable... I used to turn the channel or fast forward the tape anytime those segments would start... Still tho, the show is all about the movies and Sci-fi had some good ones (i.e. Parts : The Clonus Horror, Werewolf, Texas Justice (aka Mitchell II), Space Mutiny, etc) Still I would kill for any incarnation of the original series to come back to TV...
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Just the original guys? No space ship? No puppets? No cheesy special effects? No TV's Frank?
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Cowboy Mike's Red Hot Ric-O-Cheeet *bang* Barbecue Sauce!!! It's Boooollllllld!!!
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How about Harry Knowles and High Pitch Eric? They could remake some of Abbott and Costello's past movies (BUCK PRIVATES, PARDON MY SARONG, RIDE 'EM COWBOY, KNOWLES AND HIGH PITCH MEET FRANKENSTEIN, et al). This whacky could also tweak familiar routines ("Who's on coke?"). I'm really baked right now but, dammit, I smell money.
Today's classic catch phrase: "When are you boys gonna pay the rent?" (Sidney Fields, THE ABBOTT AND COSTELLO SHOW). -
My friend even got a MST3K membership card. Wait...that's sad.
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hahaha I'm glad to see somebody else remembered that on HBO...it was interesting but probably flew right over the heads of 75% of the audience. Great effort by Joel, though.
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Oh man...who could NOT laugh at the "tubular-boobular-hung-like-a-horsicle" song from OUTLAW (with Jack Palance!) or Mikey from TEENAGE STRANGLER? Nearly pee myself laughing even all these years later.
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Ok here it is. Try not to explode.
Imagine both crews of MST3K together in a spoof of and spoofing "Star Trek: Generations". In a goofy way you could explain why both crews are there yet subtly different and I think you could get a crap load of jokes out of it. I mean you have the whole crew making fun of a movie on two levels, spoofing it within the mythos of MST3k and spoofing the Star Trek movies in general and Generations in particular. Paramount could really turn this into an event right before the re-release of Star Trek. I think it would be HI-Larious.
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Pew-ma Man.. I dont remember that Inca!
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In the words of Beavis..."We're there dude."
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Nov 01, 2007 4:03:39 PM CDT
Lucasfilm live event title has to be The Star Wars Holiday Speci
by reverto
The event's in December. With the MST3K guys. How could it not be the Holiday Special?
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Sci-Fi used to have them on way back in the day. Now they are never one. Joel was the first and still the best. I always wondered why he left. I think he thought he was going to have some kind of acting career and was a fraid of being typecast as the guy in the jumpsuit.
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Now...hike your pants up! Everybody! Hike your pants up!
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Finally, something to make America proud.
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Nov 01, 2007 5:42:55 PM CDT
Are they going to do a viral marketing campaign to promote it?
by kirttrik
Because it's doing wonders for "Project: Cloverfield".
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They were all funny though.
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I say that the best movies for some good ol' riffin' would be any of the last three SW films.
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for Newsmax? That alone makes me prefer Joel. Well that and Joe was funny without being smarmy.
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BRING BACK TV'S FRANK... and DR. F... and the BOTS... and the silhouettes... Let Mike and Joel alternate or riff to the death. That is all (ding) Muffins are done!
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i guess it's too bad there may be bad blood amongst the past and present team...i liked joel and mike equally, although my soft spot is for sleepy/stoned joel who first brought me into MST3k. I'll watch anything any of them make. I haven't used rifftrax...but if you've ever seen joel's old stand up, you know he was the creative force behind the series. the last season(s) with pearl and bobo were kind of embarrassing, the best parts being that what you were allowed to say on tv (and what they said in the theater) had become a little more open.
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i mean the really old episodes..a tal heavy assistant with black hair- before tv's frank....anybody remember?
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Watch RANDO construct sets with his very MIND!
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Zing!
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but Joel was much cooler on several levels.I assume if I met them for more than a few minutes, neither one would like me, but Mike would be meaner and more sarcastic about it, Joel would just move on and ignore me.
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Nov 02, 2007 7:24:35 AM CDT
I love BOTH of them! Joel and Mike, please team up and BRING BA
by snapt
Rifftrax and all this stuff is great, but it's just not the same as MST3K! All of you (Joel and Mike and everybody) have gotta team up, get the rights to MST3K and a great terrible old movie to riff on, and work MST3K magic once again! Tons of people will pay big money to see that, I know it. You can sell it online for $20 a download, and I bet a MILLION people will pay it. That adds up to... a lot of money! (And definitely do a spoof on STAR TREK GENERATIONS to start with, that's a great idea.) Thank you for your time and consideration. I expect immediate action on this.
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Mike, Kevin and Bill have already riffed on "Star Trek: Generations" and the insipid "Star Wars" prequels over at Rifftrax. It'd be interesting to see what Joel, Trace and Weinstein would do with them... but it would look very copycat.
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...but I did get bored watching around the time he came on the show. It could have been a coincidence, but Joel's performance is what gave the show its flavor IMO.
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MST3K is coming back! God listened!I'm off to go tell my friends.
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...and that was "Teenage Strangler," which practically parodied itself. All the really hilarious stuff ("Manos," the Mr. B Natural short, the "Is This Love?" short, practically every other movie Joel ever MSTied) was done by Joel and the rest of the original guys. I'm looking forward to this return to form -- the good form.
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As much as I love MST3K in all it’s incarnations, I can do that myself with movies. Forget not the past but look forward to the present and future.
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I'll take Mike or Joel in any type of riffing capacity. I bought a DVD copy of "Reefer Madness" where Mike Nelson riffed the movie by himself and the riffing was better than the movie itself! :)
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