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Arr! TALES OF THE BLACK FREIGHTER gets a green-light! The WATCHMAN DVD is already bad@$$!!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I only was able to wrangle 5 minutes with Zack Snyder at Comic-Con, but in that time I made sure to dig for info on whether or not TALES OF THE BLACK FREIGHTER was going to make it into the movie or at least be shot for the DVD. If you've read the graphic novel you know there is a great subplot involving a young man reading a comic-book through the events of the story that strangely mirrors the events going on around him. It's a swashbuckling tale about a shipwrecked sailor who is desperately trying to find a way back home to warn of the impending pirate invasion (the very same who sunk his boat). He told me then that he was fighting for it, he wants to do it, but it's hard to talk the studio into justifying the extra expense of all that shooting and effects work. Now it seems Moviehole got a bit of a scoop in finding out that Warner Bros is coughing up the dough because they're so in love with the stuff they've seen come out of the production already. Good news for Snyder, but even better news for us Watchmen fans. That DVD is going to rock out! This one keeps looking better and better. Wonder who they're going to cast and I wonder how much money Warners is going to put into this segment. Thoughts?


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  • Oct. 31, 2007, 5:55 a.m. CST

    sound cool

    by keekthesneek

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 6:02 a.m. CST

    I like this news

    by batmans_pants

    although I don'y think that the Black freighter story may be too much for the general cinema going puiblic in terms of time issues and pacing. But as an additional feature on the DVD, to watch the Watchmen in it's entirety will be super-cool for those who love the book - myself included.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 6:09 a.m. CST

    It won't be in the movie... Where's the good news?

    by Cotsos

    What's the point of making it, of you're not going to put it inside the movie...

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 6:18 a.m. CST

    oh good

    by bob oblaw

    at least it'll be filmed!

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Great news ... except for the studio

    by chrth

    Because all the geeks are going to skip the bigscreen and wait for the DVD.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Good news but get it in the movie!!!

    by Evil Hobbit

    That would be spectacular!

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 6:37 a.m. CST

    They just didn't want to show a little black kid reading...

    by seppukudkurosawa

    I know their game. Fuck 'em, the rascist bastards..........<p> </p>The main thing is that they keep the Doc Manhattan on Mars section intact, that's the key to the movie.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 6:38 a.m. CST

    That's awesome

    by Mockingbuddha

    But I still want to see the books ending filmed, I agree that it would be nearly impossible, but if it was done right imagine the pay off! Just the sheer craziness of it. I can remember the first time I read Watchmen, when Doc M gets to Manhattan at the end, the feeling was just amazing horror. To me the whole thing is cheapened if you take that out.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Shouldn't it be animated?

    by PackyMcCracken

    Really, in the context of translating a graphic novel into a file, the "comic-within-the-comic" should be an animated cartoon.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 6:50 a.m. CST

    file = film

    by PackyMcCracken

    why isn't there an edit feature here?

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Good

    by Knuckleduster

    My trust in Snyder is growing like a penis in Jessica Alba's presence. Well, until I see the first production stills or trailer; then I'll probably be disappointed again...

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 7:14 a.m. CST

    They can't put it in the movie

    by mascan42

    unless they want the movie to be over 3 hours long. It's the most tangential storyline, and thus the easiest to cut for running time. Would you prefer they left that in, and cut out something more central to the main story?

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Beat me to it, PackyMcCracken . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . the fans know it's a comic within a comic. Why would it be live action, just like the rest of the movie? Should be animated. And I would bet anything we'll be able to see it included in the movie on the DVD. Funny, I can't help but think of Tom Bombadill and the scouring of the Shire. Would freak to find out those were actually filmed.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Works Better As A DVD Extra

    by Sean38

    Including the Black Freighter stuff on the DVD is perfect. It'll give you a REASON to buy the DVD (aside from owning the movie) and it'll keep that segment from bogging down the film, which, let's face it, it would. Works GREAT in the graphic novel, but not everything that worked in the novel would work in the movie.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 8:41 a.m. CST

    more accord for Packy

    by vaterite

    I'm not sure that Kill Bill Style anime would work well for the tone of the piece, but maybe something more like an animated Howard Pyle painting. And hey, if Zack's fighting for it, I'm sure they can work it into the story in surprising ways I'm not original enough to figure out.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Both DVD versions out at the same time.

    by UltimaRex

    Both DVD versions out at the same time. Both DVD versions out at the same time. You hear me, WB? BOTH DVD'S! AT THE SAME TIME!!!

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Oh great...WATCHMEN gets a pod-race sequence

    by JeffManSixtyFo

    FEH

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Looks like Gerard Butler will have some free time...

    by Abin Sur

    I think we've found our pirate.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Alan Moore has probably already denounced this

    by SpyGuy

    Honestly, is there anything that could make that guy happy?

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    will this movie work?

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    seems to me that in order to have mass appeal (sell tickets), they will have to change/shorten/lighten up/increase the action of the story. and therfore they will loose the built in geek audience that a movie like this should be made for. <p> i'm hopeful, but i won't be suprised if this ends up tanking, one way or another.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 10:31 a.m. CST

    "I wonder how much money Warners is going to put into this segme

    by halcyonseven

    $25. Whoop-de-fuckin'-do.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    You don't need the Black Freighter in the movie at all

    by slone13

    And fuck Alan Moore. The guy's turning into moore and moore of a grumpy asshole every day.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    SpyGuy

    by seppukudkurosawa

    While I agree that he makes Scrooge seem sparky at the best of times, you can't deny that he's been given short thrift when it comes to adaptations of his work. From Hell, a work so dense and unique, that Moore even went to the lengths of reading entire books simply to research a minute detail on the corner of a single panel, had its balls cut off by the brothers Hughes. Maybe if they showed Heather Graham with a few more missing teeth, they might have been on to something, but instead we got a Hammer Horror Whodunnit version of Alan Moore's masterpiece.<p> </p>It wouldn't even be fair of me to point out what a momentous fuck-up The League of Gentleman movie was, either.<p> </p>I don't know why people get all snarky at Alan Moore's disappointment in the adaptations of his work. Even if Jeff Smax were turned into a lunchbox or something, it still reflects on the guy who created the character. Why the fuck should Moore simply play dumb when his work's being desecrated? Sure, he shouldn't have signed the release forms, but maybe he wants more people to read his work- it's not like he's the only artist to ever have suffered from that condition.<p> </p>The fact is, Zack Snyder is NOT the right man to bring Watchmen to the screen. If that sounds like fanboy whiney bitching, then so be it. Sure, he seems to genuinely dig the material, but if enthusiasm always translated into a good movie, then most of us rabid fanboys would have a Lawrence of Arabia or Citizen Kane under our belt by now.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    seppukudkurosawa

    by Knuckleduster

    I absolutely agree. Moore has been fucked over so many times it's a disgrace. Even V For Vendetta (while a better attempt than From Hell and that shitheap called "LXG") wasn't what it was supposed to be. The truth is that Moore's work is far too literary and will always be best appreciated in its original form. His comics just aren't as cinematic in design as someone like Frank Miller's. Of couse that doesn't mean it's impossible to make a goos Moore adaptation, but look at the directors involved so far; the guy who made Blade, the Hughes brothers, the man who was assistant director on the Matrix movies and now Snyder? I enjoyed 300, but Watchmen seems way beyond him. Hope I'm wrong, though.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    When I say "goos Moore adaptation"...

    by Knuckleduster

    ...I actually mean good Moore adaptation. It's my own little secret code. really...

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 11:32 a.m. CST

    You know what I'd love to see

    by Bloo

    in a futrue League book, Tom Swayer, hanging upside down, gutted<P>not that I hate tom Sawyer, he's probably one of my favorite literary char. and no offense to Shane West who did a great job in that role in the movie, but it just didn't work for the league<P>I'd also like to see Don Murphy hanging upside down, gutted...in comic book or real life, wouldn't bother me either way

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Folks. You are missing the bad news here.

    by NoahTall

    Warner Bros loves the stuff they've seen coming out of production so far. That means a wisecracking Owl is cruising through the city blowing up criminals cars with his "Owl Cannon". Meanwhile Manhattan has saved a reporter who was falling from an airliner whose wing he just welded back on with his "Radiation Vision" If this movie were anything like the book then the studio would be threatening to pull funding because "Audiences don't want to see a bunch of old people talking about some other old person that was killed. They want action, explosions, and sex."

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Why anybody thinks this will be good is beyond me

    by WWBD

    Zach Snyder has never directed anything of depth. In fact when he adapts material of depth he has a history of dumbing it out (Dawn of the Dead).

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Why the ending is good and bad

    by badboymason

    It was great at the time, but hasnt history proved that a huge catastrophe in downtown NY DIDN'T unite the world - so the moral ambiguity would be lost today...

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Really nicely said, Knuckleduster.

    by seppukudkurosawa

    If a creator-centric medium like comics can barely contain Moore (see the last issue of Promethea), then I don't expect a movie adaptation to do the job.<p> </p>Still, like you said, it all depends on the talent involved. So far, the scripts involved have just made a muddy mess of adapting his work (V for Vendetta, though admittedly, it did [i]try[/i]), or otherwise simplified out even the most basic of allegories he was gunning for (From Hell). What an Alan Moore adaptation really needs is a script written by someone as literate and knowledgeable as Alan Moore. You know who I recommend? Why not the great Druid himself? In reality, it'd probably end up being rewritten by some MOR Hollywood hack with a CV full of daytime TV, and also Moore's more likely to write twenty more books about Northampton than venture within a thousand miles of Hollywood, but it's always fun to imagine.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    try

    by seppukudkurosawa

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    try

    by seppukudkurosawa

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Damn cpu blitzing out on me again

    by seppukudkurosawa

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    "Great Subplot?" Really?

    by comedian_x

    I skim over these sections every time I read it -- it grinds the comic to a halt.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Black Freighter will get the 300 treatment

    by Sad_Lieutenant

    Slow-Mo, G. Butler, the works.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Casting the sailor

    by DEZDOONZ

    I wonder if Gerard Butler could squeeze this role into his busy schedule. I think it'd be cool to see he and Snyder collaborating again, since missing out on playing the Comedian.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    badboymason *Spoilers*

    by Neo Zeed

    *Spoilers.* Of course, the catasphrophe in 9/11, didn't unite the world because it originated from this world. The ending to Watchman is brilliant because the threat intended to unite us all would not even come from world or look anything resembling human. For the first time humanity will set aside it's differences and be united by common enemy and fear. Even that silly movie Independence Day knew this.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 3:34 p.m. CST

    RE: SNYDER IS THE WRONG DIRECTOR

    by DEZDOONZ

    Maybe you guys are right. I was looking forward to Watchmen a whole lot more when Paul Greengrass was attached. And all the talk of rewrites has me worried. But, having enjoyed his Dawn of the Dead remake and 300, I think Snyder quite capable of giving us a film the honors Moore's and Gibbons' books while at the same time offering us something new; something that is not a shot for shot, panel for panel, word for word interpretation. I mean, I've already read the book.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    badboymason ...*oh yeah, and SPOILER*

    by TheLordYourGod

    I don't think that the turn of events since 9/11 has necessarily disproved the idea of unity. At the end of Watchmen, the newspaper publishers still clearly harbor resentment towards the Russians, saying they're "not allowed to say anything bad about their good ol' buddies the Russians." Just like in the real world, people united for a short time and then resentment grew.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    awesome and unheard of, Snyder's the man

    by pipergates

    who can actually make the comics into movies without having to "adapt" the material...if he can do Watchmen justice i wouldn't mind having him film the Incal. Or a real Judge Dredd movie. with Vinnie Jones, never taking his helmet off.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Anybody see the "Heavenly Sword" promo animations?

    by MCVamp

    It was done in a pretty cool stylized CG, a 2D format with stark, bold lines and shadow. Very effective. Not sure where you'd see them if you didn't have a PS3. Anyway, that style could work for TOTBF and it might be relatively inexpensive to boot.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST

    I know this is supposed to be 'for the fans'

    by Monkey Butler

    and everything, but judging by this TB I'm not alone in thinking The Black Freighter was basically useless to the story of the comic. I know you're always going to have people that want every single panel filmed, but why not just have Viedt monologue the story to Dr M at the end? He mentions it briefly in the comic anyway, and having it spelled out like that would make much more sense on film. <p> The problem with filming Watchmen at all is that so much of the appeal of the comic lies in the detail. All the 'behind the mask' stuff and the metafiction about the Black Freighter and the missing scientists just wouldn't work on film, not to mention all the symmetry of panels and stuff. Sure you can put the plot of Watchmen up on screen, but you can't put The Watchmen.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 1:28 a.m. CST

    THE BLACK FREIGHTER WAS NOT USELESS

    by PervOmatic

    Did you even read the fucking book? It was an allusion to the events taking place in the "real" world. Jesus fucking Christ on a turbo powered rocket sled, you don't even understand the fucking book itself.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Yes, it's plainly obvious that it was a parallel

    by Monkey Butler

    to the main narrative. That doesn't make it useful in any way. Oh look, the caption from The Black Freighter fits into the 'real world' panel! Still shit.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST

    "instead we got a Hammer Horror Whodunnit version of Alan Moore'

    by Immortal_Fish

    ...because it was more accessible to make money (despite whether or not it did).<P>I don't like it any more than you, seppukudkurosawa. Decisions like this turned a 60-something, 5-foot, ugly person into a 6-foot, 30-something, chick magnet (X-Men's Wolverine played by Jackman) and the masses expect me to swallow how Singer was 'faithful' and the first two X-flicks were 'faithful' too.<P>Sorry your pet adaptation was warped. Par for the course where comics are concerned.

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    The analogy is weighty because...

    by Immortal_Fish

    You have to remember that this is an alternate reality where "real" superheroes took to the streets, which led to comic books being nothing like we know them now. Comics in that time stream were not about masked vigilante crime fighters. That it was an allusion/comparison/parallel to the Watchmen miniseries story being told was quite an innovative stretch, especially for the time it was published.<P>PS: I think Moore is overrated, so do with the above what you will.