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New AVP 2 clip full of gore just in time for Halloween!!!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. You know, I read the script to AVP 2 way back in the day and it was honestly one of the most ridiculous, awful hilarious things I've ever read. This scene in particular... I don't know if it's been changed much, but in the draft I read it was literally an Alien and a Predator facing down in the automotive section of a Super K-Mart.
However, looking at all the footage and stills over the last few months, I'm thinking maybe the Strause Brothers have the right idea. One, the world is wholly recognizable. The Predators look like Predators (not linebackers in suits), the Aliens look great, the whole movie feels like an '80s cheesefest... just from tone and production design. If that's the movie they're going for, pure exploitation fun, then I almost don't care if the script is ridiculous. As long as it isn't groan-worthy, like the first AVP... ball-less and boring.
My only worry now is that they've shown us too much of the film, so there's going to be little left by the way of surprises or money shots.
Anyway, I hope the flick is badass. Here's the clip, thanks to those good folks at IGN and a heads up from Mooseakolopsatron.
CLICK IT HERE TO SEE THE RED AND GREEN FLY... IT'S LIKE CHRISTMAS, BUT WITH MORE MONSTERS AND MELTING FACES!
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I'm waiting for 'Abbott and Costello meets Alien' personally....
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I love both so maby they wont screw it up.
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Gore does not compensate for the massive failings that we have seen so far. Fucking 80's cheesefest? getthefuckoutta here with that shit. These monsters should not be reduced to this sub B-movie rubbish. And I still haven't forgiven the predalien. Stupidest fucking thing I have ever seen.
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I've successfully signed into Ain't It Cool's talkbacker bit for the first motherfucking time in motherfucking ages, but I can't access IGN's always shitty and un-user friendly video section. I'll wait for it to appear on YouTube.
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I've wiped Resurrection, AVP and this shitfest from my memory.
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Looks ten times better than the first outing. I still wish that these films took place in the future...
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Yeah, the whole 'have they just shown us all the best bits' feeling is creeping up my spine. I saw this about two months ago and it got me pretty excited - it feels more like a Predator movie. But still... I am in NO WAY going to anticipate this to be a 'good film'. I will go in expecting to be disappointed.
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just the stupidity of the baby thing bugs me. This on the other hand....
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lets see, they have gore, over the top action, corny one liners, a story that well...isnt a story just an excuse to show said gore and violence and of course it stars 2 80s "heroes" well 3 if you count mr. creed. i would include part 2 in this but it came out in 1990. and now for Alien, while the first might have this special place as an actual "good" movie, every sequel was just an excuse to show off the creature effects and/or deaths. I know some movie nerds put certain movies on a pedestal but dont forget where those movies actually fit into the big picture. But anyway, this movie will come out and even some who said they'd never see it will go outta curiosity or make up an excuse. Then even more whining will take place because they'll have so called facts to back themselves up. Ah yes, the wonderful world of the internet where everyone is right and everyone else is wrong.
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our population has a declining IQ and crap like this is only great if your cognitive development characteristics place you around 60-85.
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In honour of that- I am right and you are clearly wrong. Aliens and Alien 3 were not just excuses to show creature effects and deaths. That is silly
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Predator also has great action, suspense and introduced a wonderful new monster. It's also brilliantly directed by John McTiernan. In fact, it's a film with an average script elevated by inspired direction.
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....I "love" monster movies! As a whole, they're my all time favorite form of entertainment when going to see movies. And as much as I love Aliens and Predators, I still can't help but feel a little worried about this movie. And true! It does look alot better in the design elements of the main monsters, but the "once burned" element of AvP keeps lingering for me. The Mist is still my most anticipated movie coming up as far as monster movies. I hope AvP 2 will be good, but you know, it's kind of a shame that no one can create some new creatures to entertain as well.
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so now that's all they're bringing us to sell tickets.
that fact alone makes me not want to go see this. If they had a good story, they would use that to sell the movie, but I've not seen anything but action clips so far. Like that's why I go to the cinema. -
Honestly, I don't anyone who grew up with these iconic movie monsters is expecting a quality film here. Those days seem to be long gone. What I am hoping for is a movie that entertains, maybe something with better action sequences and stronger characters than the first. They've already fumbled by bringing the Aliens to our planet in the present day, which is the same mistake Anderson made with the first film, but that's about the only major gripe that I have with this movie. No matter how many disappointed I am in the direction these films have been going I can't deny that seeing an Alien and Predator share the same space brings on a grin from ear to ear. Judging by the clip, the movie could be a lot of fun. I'm trying to keep my expectations in check.
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What pisses me off is that they are using the gore to disguise the fact that they clearly haven't learnt from their earlier stupidity. It has a weak premise, is still set in present day, has a fucking predalien (something obviously dreamt up to appeal to semi-literate 13 year old boys). Gore does not cover the shortcomings.
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but apparently he doesn't. The fans of these two franchises don't want a modern day "80s cheesefest" but rather an actual ALIEN or PREDATOR movie.
I can absolutely guarantee that if this movie took place in the future in continuity with Alien and Aliens (hell, even Alien 3...but not Resurrection), the fans would be foaming at the mouths. You throw in some space marines that get caught in the fray and you'll have one hell of a fun movie. As it is now, it's just another slasher flick that is a dime a dozen these days. *yawn* -
Ash vs. Aliens vs. Predator? Now THAT would be a movie to see.
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Move on now, please
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Don't know why, really. Haven't watched it since the first time in theatres and I thought I'd confirm my initial disgust. Yep, it's utter poo. The Predators look like wrestlers. Everything is exaggerated. Longer dreadlocks, bigger blades. All crap. And just look at how easily the first two got killed. That's bullshit. With AVP2, I wanna see a pack of Predators working as a team, kicking Alien ass. I made peace with the fact that intelligence is no longer an element of either franchise. I was kinda looking forward to this, but that goddamn Predalien! What the fuck, people?!
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It's months old...the trailer which makes seeing the actual movie a pointless endeavor, because they show everything here, including the deaths of both the Predator and Predalien. I really don't like that Ripley-wannabe chick. I hope she dies, because apparently everyone else does.
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because Ash vs. Aliens vs. Predator is the sort of bastardization that hollywood would fund.
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The predalien is a natural progression in the franchise. I'm not saying I like it, but it a movie with aliens and predators, it's bound to happen.
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Human sacrifice, Predators and Aliens living together - mass hysteria
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I mean seriously. After watching this clip it looks like nothing more than the Predator kicking Alien and Human ass all over the place. Granted, the Preds got their asses pretty much kicked in the first AVP but this looks a little retarded. The Aliens don't even seem like a threat when the Predator pwns them so easily.
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Why would you do that to yourself? Crazy fool. It's like the mistake I keep making with Resident Evil: Acrapalypse (that isn't a typo). Every time it is on 5 or 5US I keep thinking it isn't as bad as I remember it being. And then I watch it....
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I know, man. I know. I do the same thing with Spawn. Spawn?! Ridiculous, right? Must be some form of self-hate.
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The worst of it is- the fucker is on telly (again) tomorrow night. I know I am going to watch it. And then regret it. It's sort of like the kebab I always buy when pissed and on my way home- I know it will look like shit, smell like shit, taste like shit and make me feel all dirty the next day, but it always seems like a good idea.I must be stupid- why do I keep doing this to myself?
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I've also been having problems logging in. Sometimes it helps if I delete all cookies and refresh the page. It's annoying.
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I was 11 years old and bleeding continuously from my eyes. Holy shit...even the word "Predalien" pisses me off now. What asshat came up with that gem? To bad Sanaa Latham isn't in this one....some more of that screaming with a straight face crap would just up the pure ass factor of this movie. Since that is apparently what they're going for. I'll watch it...sure (on cable of course)...but I'm not holding any hope for quality on any level. But maybe Sanaa and the Predator got it on prior to him kicking it...she'll have a half human half predator baby...which will get impregnated by the face-hugger and then we'll get a Humapredalien in the next one! Talk about quality!
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Is basically the only one I really don't like as part of the series. I just felt that they screwed the characters way too much... several character cop outs in the first 10 minutes was too much. Alien Resurrection was fine until the end with the baby crap. AvP's BASIC story was sound I think, the pyramids being a hunting ground while the predators were there and a storage facility for captured queens during the iterim was kind of cool. They just went the wrong way with the look of the predators and the rest of the storyline.
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..http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4y-waHLz-TU
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Melting faces and he actually said "fuck". FWIW it looks better than Transformers anyway.
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I'll be watching AvP and Sweeney at Xmas. The rest don't matter.
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are you honestly saying yuo prefer AvP to Alien3? no waaaaay- Alien 3 is good, if you feel that you can get over Hicks and Newt getting killed. I really, really like it and much prefer the extended version in the Quadrilogy.
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THAT PREDALIEN HAD A FREAKING GUN GROWING OUT OF HIM IN THIS MOVIE! REEEEEETARDED!
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but the film looks more like Critters 4.
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.......................But the film looks more like Critters 4!!
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.......................Does this work? Oh well, I guess its been changed or I'm too stupid to remember the correct procedures...or both.
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Alien Vs Predator Vs Gremlins. Make it so.
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I wanna see some Predator boobies.
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The females are back in the ship where they belong, cooking and cleaning and having little Predators, the way it should be.
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was that Critters in space?It was utterly abominable. I quite liked it- it was fun shit. Unlike this, which is shit shit.
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Dont pick through shit and expect to find anything but corn.
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Stone-cold classic. All horror movies where the baddie gets relocated to space rule. Like Jason X. Pure gold, I tell ya. I'd kill for a Texas Chainsaw in Space. They might as well do it now that the Texas Chainsaw name got fucked sideways with all these crappy remakes and sequels.
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aicn needs to use this for a contest. best chops that feature alien or predator mashed with any other famous movie creature. one of us has to come up with something better or funnier than predalien.
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once again expressing his hatred of resident evil 2 WHICH is light years better than part 1
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Didn't we agree to differ about this? Anyway- they never show RE 1 on British Telly. So it bothers me less. Leprechaun in Space is indeed fantastic- but anything with Warwick Davies in it automatically is.
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...now let´s check the rest of the movie.
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I am excited for this. Doubt it will measure up to the originals, but hey, I'm easily pleased.
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just messin with ya
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This movie is going to be action packed and entertaining, therefore it will be the subject of tons of criticism by cinema eliteist(most aicn talkbackers) who only want tons of dialouge and the occasional action sequence.
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oh yeah. Gore. Colour me unimpressed. I'll admit it's strengths when they stop making the same fucking stupid mistakes that they made in the first one. I don't want to see AvP in 2007- It's science-fucking-fiction. Set it in the future. Setting it in 2007 smacks of sheer imagination failure. Fucking Predalion. Yup that's great. Not marketing driven and aimed at little pubescent bastards who can chuckle "huh-huh-huh. Kewl" whilst waiting for their acne to reach critical mass, then? You are one cheeky bastard fearof- cheeky, cheeky bastard. I can't believe I rose to that obvious bait.
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oh yeah. Gore. Colour me unimpressed. I'll admit it's strengths when they stop making the same fucking stupid mistakes that they made in the first one. I don't want to see AvP in 2007- It's science-fucking-fiction. Set it in the future. Setting it in 2007 smacks of sheer imagination failure. Fucking Predalion. Yup that's great. Not marketing driven and aimed at little pubescent bastards who can chuckle "huh-huh-huh. Kewl" whilst waiting for their acne to reach critical mass, then? You are one cheeky bastard fearof- cheeky, cheeky bastard. I can't believe I rose to that obvious bait.
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Not so sure about that. Superman Returns had tons of dialogue and the occasional action sequence, and the fanboys tore that poor movie a new A-hole. I kinda liked it, though. Sorry. Don't hurt me.
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Science fiction dosen't have to be set during any particular time or timeline. And even though you may not like the "Predalien" i doubt if its marketed to anyone younger than us. After all we grew up with Alien and Predator, I doubt if anyone 12-16 is even remotely interested in this film.
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You know that to be bollocks. If it is great I will gladly eat humble pie- as will most here.I like your optimism though. You really are a little ray of sunshine aren't you.Sorry about the double post. It's all gone a bit fucked up.
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wasnt a bad movie, It was just BORING AS HELL And the fanboy's on this site dont like anything...my fault except for BATMAN BEGINS, which is the most overrated movie talked about on this site.
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look- I don't like it, because it smacks of imagination failure- and lack of understanding. and on the respect issue. Before the first atrocity was vomited up, PWSA banged on and on about his respect. And what did we get? Cheers, Paul- nice job. I'm not complaining about the gore. I'm glad they decided to toughen it up. However, you are acting like it is some fucking great favour they are doing us by making a gory film. It isn't, and it doesn't excuse the rest of the shite. I actually didn't complain about the lack of gore in the first one. I hated it so viscerally that I actually forgot there was no blood and guts.I don't blame the directors- they are clearly doing their damndest to polish a turd. I blame the fucking moronic suit cunt that greenlit that fucking idiotic story and script- all the problems stem from this. Really, they should have gone back to the drawing board- set it in the future somewhere- AND USE SOME FUCKING IMAGINATION. Not fucking K-mart. Yes, thanks for the gore. No thanks for the rest of it.Again- when it comes out if it turns out to be fucking great I will gadly eat my words.
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no-one ever changes their mind about it.
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What will it take for you to consider the movie a success?
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Oct 31, 2007 12:24:54 PM CDT
OK- I freely admit that it will take a lot for this fucker
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to win me over. Basically, I think it is too late for this one, but if they do a
sterling job, and manage to soften out the worst stupidity- and get the chance to make a "proper" sequel that gets away from the godawful shite that Anderson left them with (all this stuck on earth, present day, crap can be directly attributed to him- this is the man that used Amnesia, the ultimate hack writer tool- in RE) I will gladly consider it to be a success. Alien and Predator both deserve to have the bar set higher than 80's cheesefest. Don't get me wrong- I love me some 80's cheese, just not attached to these 2 beasts.I doubt it can, but if it does I will be honest enough to say- "I'm a cunt- I have hereby learnt my lesson and will try not to prejudge shit again." -
acceptable and while i dont think it will win you over, I think It will come very close.
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and the gore is just a band-aid covering a fucking axe wound of a movie, I would like to see an apology from all of you that are looking forward to it, flora or otherwise, and are questioning my cynicism. Sound fair enough?
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I look forward to seeing this TB tomorrow. I hope you optimistic motherfuckers are right, I doubt you are though.And if M-O-M turns up, someone tell him he's a cunt for me.
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I am not too excited about this, but seeing as how I now have a side job at a theatre (with free movie benefits), I know I will at least get my money's worth.
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People, everyone's foaming at the mouth over the fact that this movie isn't done in the future, but you guys need to realize there are TWO franchises at work here, and only one of them is set in the future. And don't ANYBODY dare say that Pred 2 was set in the future because you can lick it!!! Those "guns" the cops had might as well have said Nerf on them, and I'm not even gonna touch those foil suits.
Sure it'd be cool if they had done it in the future, but they weren't necessarily tied to it.
And come on guy's, take away the annoying, sacrificial human element of these properties and the only thing you have left is just two violent killer species whose only redeeming qualities are that they look cool and can rack up the body count.
So yes... THANK GOD IT'S AN "R" RATED GOREFEST. 'Cause bottom line, that's the only reason you'll go to see these movies, to watch the E.T. versions of Freddy and Jason!!!
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"Hey, I've got a good idea, let's take everything that the uber-successful Aliens worked towards and take a steaming piss all over it by killing off Newt and Hicks. Oh, and lets make sure their deaths happen OFF CAMERA, so it's as infuriating for fans of Aliens as possible. That way, all the crap Ripley went through in Aliens amount to nothing, and her entire story arc and character development are completely negated! Sounds great! Of course, to really do it right, we'll have to make sure that we also have Ripley live through her worst nightmare and be impregnated by an alien, thereby also negating the satisfaction of her having faced up to her fears and kicked the Queen's ass in Aliens. Although, when her chest bursts open, let's not have her appear to be in any actual pain. Let's make it more of an orgasmic experience for her as she swan dives into molten lead, but not before sanpping the alien's neck on the way down, because, you know, although the movies have established that these aliens are pretty tough (surviving a molten lead bath, for instance), it'll make perfect sense that a woman who just had a creature break through her chestplate would be able to snap their exoskeleton like a ricecake. That'll be great!"Tools. Way to ruin a great franchise.Alien 3 sucked, in case you missed it.
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Predator is the greatest film in the history of cinema. No joke.
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I'm in.
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Why can't we have an intergalactic space adventure? Why does it have to be set on earth? Can they not afford to build sets? Cuz that is what it felt like with HE-MAN; they squandered all the money on that one throne room and had to shoot the rest of the film in people's sidestreets and alleys.
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The new vs. movies are really geared towards people that are only aware that these characters are a part of pop culture and are thus recognizeable enough that its worth it to throw down $10 for a ticket. It doesnt treat these creatures as true action horror icons whose original incarnations really meant alot to people. People that are in fact still alive and STILL have $10 to spend on tickets. This kind of shit just serves to ignite the tweener subconscious keeping these properties in the mainstream just enough to ensure a good opening weekend. Marketing over quality. Whether its Freddy v. Jason or AVP these versus movies will never be truly great because in making them youre saying that these characters arent worthy of standing on their own so instead you get this watered down dreck.
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Fuckin A! There were about a thousand ways they could have made essentially the same movie (not that it was a great story choice in my opinion) without fucking with the viewer's emotional investment in Aliens. This happens all the fucking time in Hollywood these days - fuck the fans, we own the franchise, we'll do whatever we want. And fuck Sig Weaver for saying that a movie that was focused on Ripley alone was what she wanted and pushed for.
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I agree, shuttlepod_10 and Movietool. Alien and Aliens are fantastic movies, but 3,4, and AVP are silly TV shows.
At least this new AVP shows gore and R-rated battles. But if the Predators don't kill every motherfuckin' Alien by the end of this flick, Earth is toast. Guess it wouldn't be the first time they've screwed with the timeline.
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yeah, a decision like that to kill off main characters offscreen you would think resulted from the actors not wanting to be a part of a new chapter. Are we supposed to believe that Henn and Biehn turned down Alien 3? How much better would that flick have been with them on board? What would Hicks have done without weapons? He could have died valiantly saving Newt right after he and Ripley finally knocked boots. There were some great ideas in Alien 3 like having no weapons and a new dog design for the Alien which added to the mythos. Same with 4. Great great cast but do we really need to see the Ripley hybrid shootin hoops? WTF? I dont know what frustrated me more the last couple alien sequels or the SW prequels. Its the worst kind of disappointment because both have brilliant moments in them that slam into absolute disastrous ones. AAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!! OK. Breathe and count to ten, breathe and count to 10...
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Is at the heart of good sci-fi horror. I just re-read "I Am Legend" and what makes it still creepy 53 years after its publication is that fact that a guy wakes up, walks out of his home, and has to clean dead vampire women off his lawn. AVPR will work if they remember to keep the balance. If you were being attacked by the Bugs, wouldn't you rush to the nearest sporting goods store and stock up? And wouldn't the Bugs track you there? Also, it looks great in hi-def.
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making an attempt to give them their balls back its ok with me. I mean I still dont want to see that predalien travesty in this movie because I dont think such a thing should exsist, but at least the conceptualization of this looks good. I mean Id rather have some one take another shot at an AVP movie and do it better rather than have both franchises end on the worst not possible. Someone on here the other day was trying so hard to defend the first AVP when the fact of the matter was that it was just conceptualized in the wrong way. I mean they started the predators off with out their guns, DUBEST IDEA EVER, who the hell wants to see the predators at a different advantage. This is not gonna be a perfect movie, mainly because of the predalien bullshit, but I'll take this, I just want the cool balls to the wall alien vs predator action that I was robbed of in the first one and it seems that thats what Im gonna get, so whatever, Im somewhat excited about this
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I won't be seeing this since it doesn't star danny glover.
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Decent movie all around, but not the masterpiece of comicbook films people say it is.
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absolutely overrated
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the whole premise of the movie just shits me. Looks terrible.
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Oct 31, 2007 5:28:31 PM CDT
Ill go see this if they take out any scene they have the predali
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otherwise the studio can go fuck itself... cause that predalien looks like a fucking monkey could have drawn it
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It's a fun watch. But it's not a flawless movie. There's a lot of parts that are bothersome, or just boring.
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that stupid vaporization weapon of mass destruction..... The whole idea of vaporizing the drinking water that's been poisoned because people can only absorb the hallucinogen through their lungs is bullshit. Anyone who has ever taken a fucking class in basic chemical science knows that poison can be absorbed anyway it fucking wants. In fact drinking poisoned water would effect you only slightly slower than vaporization. The fact that they'd been pumping the poison through the water pipes for weeks and know one was effected goes to show that those asshats didn't know basic science.
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and ended with Ripley and Newt frozen on the way home. Yes, the later sequels were crap, but the original was pretty damn boring, too. You take out the chest-bursting scene, and you have endless build-up without must to get excited about. Sorry, Ridley. Liked Gladiator, though.
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That's exactly what I'm saying.
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I think the point of that was the fact that although Batman Begins was made to be really down to earth and gritty in a more realistic way, they still managed to get away with using one of the cheesiest and campiest 60's batman tv-show style plot clichés in existance; "the evil villain poisones the city's water supply with this new drug he made."
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nah Alien is really slow, and that's one of the great things about it. Alien 3, as a movie, is fucking amazing. One of David Fincher's best (certainly far better than Panic Room or Zodiac).
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Hey - they kicked the shit out of an entire legion of The Empires best troops.
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This may have been said already, but I'm on a lunch break and don't have time to read every post. The Predalien has been around for awhile. It was in the first AVP for the PC and may have been in the comics. These guys didn't create it, though the design they may have butchered a tad.
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You said it man, except you missed the most blatant fuck up in the whole series. How did the fucking eggs get on the Sulaco? How?!?!? HOW!?!!?!??!? I feel a schizoid embolism coming on....
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Where exactly did the queen have these eggs stored? She was only ever in the dropship, and then the hanger, then she got blown into space. The eggs were in the cryo chambers. One was up on the ceiling for fuck's sake. Please never comment in an Aliens talkback again.
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You really have made an arse of yourself this time.
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If I don't see it in the theatre, it will be because I would rather see the R rated version I just got to see that they made...hopefully we grown ups can get a version of this on DVD. I don't get why (aside from money) they keep making these at pg13...too bad...looks good though..I mean the aliens look scary again...and the Predator is kickin's some nice ass!
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Sorry, I just can't take you seriously now. You didn't like Zodiac? Zodiac is by far the best film I've seen all year. It was like watching All The President's Men for the first time. That film makes the rest of Hollywood ashamed of all the shit they've been making all these years.
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... that Batman Begins is slightly overrated. Then again, what do you expect? People on this site live on exaggeration. If a movie's great (which I think Batman Begins is), it's considered to be the masterpiece of our times (until the next one shows up a few months later). And if it disappoints, even just a little bit, they want the director crucified. Reasonable perspective is the one thing you won't find on this site, but that's why it's so entertaining. By the way, I hope Mark Steven Johnson gets ass-cancer and dies a slow, lonely death.
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that a few "fucks" and gory action don't necessarily equal a good movie. Morons.
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I agree about the plot hole with eggs on the sulaco- and it does bother me too, but the rest of the complaints relate to people's love of Aliens and not the merits of the actual film itself. If Aliens had been shit (which thankfully it isn't) then Alien 3 would be recognised as a masterpiece. glad you agree with me Northlander, proves I am not going insane.BTW Critters is ripe for rehabilitation as a camp work of insanity. I loved it when I was a kid, and thoroughly enjoyed it when it was on and I was pissed the other night. Fear- I watched RE2 again last night, trying to see why you think it has any merit, and utterly failed.
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Nov 01, 2007 4:05:32 AM CDT
I find it interesting and somewhat disturbing that..
by cameron1975willi
, in this at least, that the protaganist is the Predator. The humans seem to be just cannon fodder. I'm sure it's written in Film Making 101, that the audience must be able to relate to the protagonist, in order to hold it's interest. These film school hacks, that seem to make up the majority of today's directors, need to learn that a little goes a long way and that the reason Ridley Scott didn't show peoples heads melting is because he understood the power of suggestion. Who's employing these people!?
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I never said I didn't like Zodiac.
When I watched it I enjoyed it, and yeah I totally felt the All the Presidents Men vibe.
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Preadtor to was def. set in the future. and you're a fool.
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saying Alien3 and Resurrection were TV movies. They certainly weren't.
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Why? 'Cause I'll be forty this month, and I'm endlessly reminded that I'm way to old to be bothering with this. I keep waiting for the message, "Dude... shouldn't you be doing your taxes or something?"
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Set in the distant future (post-Alien Resurrection) and it should have been on some remote planet somewhere that looks all funky with human colonists/marines thrown in the mix. They could have easily tied it in with the previous films for continuity sake and made it a damn fun ride. Instead we get the Predator kicking ass in a K-Mart. Yeah, if I wanted a modern day slasher flick like that, I'd go watch FvJ or any of the thousands of other slasher flicks available. AVP2 doesn't fix ANYTHING except for making the Predator look better and for adding gore. IMO that just aint enough to make it a good movie. I'll be waiting for this one to come on cable.
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Yeah, guess it's just a difference in taste, then. I look forward to watching Zodiac over and over again. Investigative journalism gives me a mental hard-on. As does anything by Fincher.
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The easiest way for the writers to not fuck that up would have been for the queen to have simply grabbed a few face-huggers *after* they hatched; not a bunch of eggs. Grabbing eggs means she had to put them in the drop ship and she was obviously long gone prior to that ever happening considering we see her entry and exit from the ship in its entirety. It's a crappy and thoughtless mistake as using face-huggers solves all problems...they can WALK! (ok, crawl but you get the idea) They could have easily found the crew after a bit of time (scent, sound, etc) and then break into the sleep pods or whatever they're called. Boom...problem solved. I still like Alien 3 a lot tho...great atmosphere and some genuine dread..plus a number of ass kicking quotable lines. In my opinion, it should have been Newt or Hicks that should have been impregnated (Ripley's being knocked up could still happen too of course...a longer gestation due to the embryo being a queen, etc). It would have kept with the absurdly shitty luck Ripley continued to have plus still give her reason to be one of the most badass female characters in modern cinema (without being like a man at all).Oh and though I do think AvP2 will be better than the shite of AvP, I still don't think it's possible to make a singularly great versus movie with these franchises...to much baggage.
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Basically a movie just to watch the carnage unfold. But the feeling I'm getting from these trailers is there'll be very little tension or suspense with the humans being inconsequential. Sort of like enabling God-Mode in a video game. You're facing powerful enemies but since you're even more powerful, there's really nothing to be afraid of and you're just picking off aliens and humans at will. God Mode is mindless and pointless as gaming goes but sometimes it's fun to just storm through levels especially if you suck at games like me. Whereas if you didn't have God Mode, you'd be crapping your pants and fighting for your life as the aliens chase you down. That's the type of movie I'd prefer to see.
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I can buy the premise...so, is Ripley still adrift someplace with her new nuclear family--Nicks and Newt--and pet sythetic Half-Bishop? Did they ever get home?
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We could have the Predator and the Alien--just one of 'em--stalking some blue collar type astronauts on a big, dimly lit space freighter, and instead of showing lots of the alien, just imply the danger, build suspense, and...oh wait.
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You're all gonna die. The only question is how you check out. Do you want it on your feet? Or on your fuckin' knees... begging? I ain't much for begging! Nobody ever gave me nothing! So I say *fuck* that thing! Let's fight it!
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Didn't bishop smuggle eggs on board the marine ship while Ripley was going for Newt or something like that? I remember Ripley reactivating Bishop and he told her the story and apologized because he couldn't deny his true mission/programming. But its been awhile, I might have to rewatch that. Bring back the Colonial Marines!!! That's why Aliens is the best of the franchise.
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That scene between Ripley and Clemens (the doctor) where he explains why he stayed on the planet even though he didn't have to, and just as they're about to connect the alien kills him from out of nowhere.
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Nov 01, 2007 5:35:44 PM CDT
I'll watch Aliens tonight and sort this facehugger issue out.
by thenorthlander
If I recall, didn't Paul Reiser smuggle them on board?
That was his whole plan wasn't it? To make sure some of them got infected during the way back so The Company would have live specimens to study?
That was the point of him going wasn't it?
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You're probably right.
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Almost as bad as Predator 2 and AvP.
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That'd make more sense in this environment and time period.
Or Predator vs Gremlins. -
I always thought the queen laid the eggs in the landing gear hold during the flight back to the Sulaco (or whatever that dagger shaped ship was called). Is there a good reason for why she couldn't have popped out a couple in that small transit time?
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yeah, she left her egg laying sack when she attacked Ripley back at the planet.
I still say it was Paul Reiser that brought them on board, but like I said I'll have a look tonight. -
Bishop didn't do it, he says the flight time will be 50 minutes, no way he could fly from the surface, up to the Sulaco, then back down whilst Ripley is off rescuing Newt. Burke could never have done it, he was taken before they got to the second dropship, his attempt to smuggle the aliens was when he locked Ripley and Newt in medical with the the two facehuggers. The queen couldn't have done it because as Northlander pointed out she had no egg laying sack, and even if she managed to squeeze a couple out they would have been left in the dropship, no way they could have got to the cryo chamber. It's all just a load of bullshit we're supposed to swallow.
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Couldn't just a couple of face huggers have sneaked on board?
I mean, they do run you know. Pretty fast.
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There are no eggs aboard the Sulaco.
The queen had no time to make any eggs, she had no egg sack anyway and nobody brought any with them.
There could have been facehuggers on the dropship though. It's a stretch, but it's not impossible.
But who cares if it's got plot holes anyway? It's a great movie, Alien 3 is a great movie, and it's science fiction, not science fact.
Btw, why are they called facehuggers anyway? Shouldn't they be called facefuckers since that's what they really are? Or at least facehumpers? -
Alien 3 is the only movie in the franchise that doesn't end with something being blown out into space.
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but does it really matter if there was an egg sac for the queen to lay eggs? I mean for all we know, that egg sac could just be a way for her to squeeze them out at a faster rate and nothing more or maybe it's just supposed to help them develop better or something (maybe that explains why the alien in the movie looked all fucked up...rather than the "it looks like it's host" theory...which makes AVP movies even more fucked up). I guess what I'm saying is it still makes the most sense to me that she laid them in the landing gear hold of the drop ship. Then they eventually hatched and the face huggers made their way to the cryo chamber to have an orgy on the survivor's faces. God, why am I trying to make sense of this shitty movie (Alien 3) anyway? lol
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could one of the Aliens have put it on the drop ship whilst bishop was waiting- he only took off towards the end because it was too unstable. It's not a shit movie.
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Evil bitch.
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http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=7284.0
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This is just another reason for why this movie is going to suck. I swear these nimrods that make these sequels have no clue about continuity. Colin Straus even comes in at around page 16 or so and starts arguing about this "new reproductive method" with some of the fans. LOL
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