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Ease On Down, Ease On Down FURY ROAD!! MAD MAX 4 Appears To Be Revving Up Again!!
Merrick here...
Moviehole says production offices for MAD MAX: FURY ROAD (love that title) have been reopened, and The Powers That Be are said to be scoping out effects houses as a pre-cursor to production.
You can read the original report HERE.
Moviehole says Mel Gibson will not be back. We've previously heard suggestions that the part of Max Rockatansky would be summarily recast so that the franchise can continue (a la James Bond).
The obvious question here is: how does this impact the JUSTICE LEAGUE movie George Miller is supposed to be directing, if at all? For my money, I'd rather see (even a Gibson-less) MAX over JL 90210...but maybe that's just me.
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You'd rather see a Mad Max movie WITHOUT Mel Gibson than Justice League?
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Yeah, the guy could do everything...
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I would also rather see Mad Max 4, so long as Miller is directing. Justice League has b-o-m-b written all over it. It's bound to go over budget (what IS the budget anyway?) and do some of you honestly believe that it's going to turn out... good? Don't fool yourselves. The suits aren't making a "Justice League" movie to realize your every fanboy wet dreams. They are making the movie for one reason... TO SELL TOYS. There's two paths that the film could take. They'll make a PG-rated, watered down, live action cartoon that little kids will flock to. So, basically, everyone here will hate it, but it'll be a hit. Or, they will make a standard PG-13 action flick, that will probably not make a big profit, so they'll be sure to jam-pack it with product placement and merchandising opportunities. If this doesn't sound like the most over-hyped toy commercial since Space Jam, then you seriously need a reality check.
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Oct 25, 2007 8:33:11 AM CDT
I think it's you that has strange taste Abin Sur
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
Who wants to see a bunch of faggots in underwear fight aliens with their magic superpowers when they can see Mad FUCKING Max tear down some ruined highway in the last of the v8 interceptors in some badassed highly choreographed car chase.
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Mad Max 2 is up there in the ranks of all time classis, Fury Road has got to dispense with the muppets, it's gott a be a raw brutal high octane white line nightmare. We need hardcore wasteland barbarians, we need MFP Ford Falcons and most importantly we need a proper hairy arsed Aussie for Max. No poncy Yank Surf rats, Eric Banna would own that role. STOKED! At fricken last it's rolling!
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It's clear his heart is in Mad Max and not JLA. Let someone who actually cares do it instead.
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Oct 25, 2007 8:35:42 AM CDT
I don't think Mel Gibson is as important to Mad Max
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
As say, Kurt Russell is to Escape from New York. Max never actually said that much. He was just a dude that was mad. Speaking of which why don't they just get ol' Leonidas to play him, he'd be better off with that than ruining the Snake series.
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He was wickedly psycho in Yuma.
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What a puny plan.
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Can't wait for this no-Mel, CG infested fuck-up. Yay!
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Thank you for having the balls to imply what you really think about this JLA shitstorm!!
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Shitcan JLA Mr Miller, waste of your talents arsing about with a bunch of nancies jumping around in tights. Go Max!
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People might forget the image of him as a beard-tugging antisemitic drunk if he whips out the old sawed-off and goes for an ultraviolent desert car chase again.
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just a thought...
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That bit about them scoping out effects houses. By all means do a bit of digital background painting if you must (although the outback does pretty well as a post-apocalyptic world all by itself), but lets have none of the cgi car nonsense please. Hopefully George will realise that a lot of the fun of those films is looking at proper, in-camera stunts and thinking "Wow, someone actually DID that!".
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Just like Russell is Snake Plissken.
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...if he gets in serious shape, I think Russell Crowe could be a great Max.
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looks like a young Max. I wish they'd bridge MadMax1 and MadMax2, showing the worlkd officially going down the commode.
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The wasteland is no place for broke-dick cowboys, only Chopper can survive the onslaught of the Nomad Rippers! ;-)
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Alas, sigh, err..where was I...BANA for MAX! ;-)
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who else, then?
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He's barely sprouted hairs on his balls for feck's sake, Mad Max 4 is a sequel, christ he'd need a rocket seat in his V8 with some of the milktoast juvenile limp dicked casting suggestions abounding. BANA FOR MAX, an honest to goodness Aussie 'bloke'with hair on his balls and a thousand yard stare. Now Miller better start turning over some casting for a cbal of wacked out wasteland Muties, he's gotta Top those bygone psychos Night Rider, Bubba Zenetti, Johnny the boy, Wes and da Lord Humungous! YOU PUPPY!
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Start acting again. And start with this film right here. And tell Miller to do it the fuck right!
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Actually I quite like the Mad Max movies, well 1 and 2 anyway. The one with Tina Turner was shite. There has to be the rawness about them and I feel a first time director would be most suited. Keep the budget decent but low and find people who are good and passionate about the subject matter. You don't need Mel for this role just as much as you don't need Sean Connery for Bond. They're both too old.
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This should be the Rocky Balboa of the Mad Max franchise. A gritty, pissed-off ol' Mel kicking biker ass. That I would watch.
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... when Rupert Evans is several years older (and a lot manlier) than Brandon Routh?
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Because it's about the mentality of the upcoming JL movie. Obviously nobody over at Warners is taking it seriously (big surprise) and are just rushing to get it out before the strike. Man, we're all going to be paying for that strike with sh*tty movies in a few months...
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Oct 25, 2007 9:13:53 AM CDT
if Ford can still do Indy, then Gibson's good for one more Max!
by cowboyone
Throw some money at him. He needs the dough to finance his own films. (But Crowe would be F-ing awesome too!)
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Gotta be hardcore, Thunderdome was utter shite, I hope Miller learned his lesson on that one, keep Max near his wheels and avoid getting bogged down in feeble conceits like Bartertown, and those piss poor softies that passed for nomad trash. Max needs a mission, get him back to the remnants of New Melbourne and a last stand with the MFP to eradicate some fucked up hoards of berserkers! Naaaize
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Might as well call it something new and have some other post apocalyptic adventures! Not a Mad Max Flick without Miller and/or Mel!
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Mel the omophobiac???
No thanks.
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and strap on those leg braces for old Georgie one last time, it's a no brainer, is'nt going to harm Gibbo's career one iota, the Box office would be Humongous! 'YOU PUPPY'
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I'd argue with you, but I'm exhausted from reading your goddamn screen name.
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This is like banging a supermodel, only to find out she has AIDS. I really don't give a shit about Mel Gibson's personal life (and I'm Jewish), the guy IS Mad Max. I'm tired of taking the good with the bad, fuck that!
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revived a franchise - that would be never. Particularly for a director who hasn't filmed action in 20 years. Tangentially - the post-nuclear/globalwarming/whatever future feels too much like the biblethumpers yammering about the impending apocalypse. George Miller - repent thy wicked ways or ye shall perish.
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Mel Gibson was TWENTY-TWO years old when the first Mad Max came out...was THAT too young?
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If Warner Brothers were smart(Which they are not.) they would have hired those guys who did "Grayson" or the "World's Finest" movies to do this film. They know the characters and the stories. The way Warner Brothers has cast this, I have no interest to see the "JL" movie.
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Yeah, lets recast John McClane for DH5 while were at it. God what is wrong with people???
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Oct 25, 2007 9:37:08 AM CDT
DAMN! I was really hoping to see a final installmnet with Miller
by mrjonz72
and a final sequel to Conan with Milus and Arnold
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I caught the back end of Mad Max 2 on TV just a few nights ago - what a movie! My only problem is that they could never find a stunt team in this health and safety obsessed day and age to do half the crazy stuff that those Aussie boys did for Mad Max 2's final car chase. And, if anyone even mentions the phrase CGI in relation to a Mad Max movie then they deserve a face full of Mel's trusty sawn-off.
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Lethal weapon 5 recast with Ashton Kutcher and Tyrese Gibson? Ah fuck, I just gave them an idea.
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I don't know...Mel IS Max, and I sure as hell can't stand any of these Hollywood pretty-boys they're talking about casting here. Make it the LAST Max, and get Gibson back for one final film. If Ancientana Jones can have a fourth film, Old Max should have one too...
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for MM4
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But he wasnt playing Superman!!
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Congratulations on having a screen name that references the best thing to EVER come out of OK!
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I'm not sure I buy that Miller would go ahead with this without involvement at some level of Gibson. Nor do I think Miller would simply recast the role so that a reboot could occur--if he was in it just for the money, he could have whored the Mad Max franchise a long time ago. The re-opening of offices and scouting for effects houses indicates a renewed interest, but it is no guarantee.
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You can take all your CGI crapfests of today, roll em in a ball and light em on fire....cause NOBODY today shoots car chases as cool as the ones in the MAD MAX movies.
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In recasting everyone??? First Kirk, Spock and McCoy, now Max?? Mel could still do Max no problem. I haven't got the slightest interest in seeing somebody else play Max. It's like getting somebody else to play Indiana Jones. Stupidity of the highest level. Fucking Hollywood.
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It'll be a clone of Mad Max played by Vincent Cassel brought back to lead a group of post-apocalytpic pirates against a poorly chereographed vampire martial arts specialist.
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Sod another shitty comic book adaption. Even with out Mel a new Mad Max would be awesome. Mel is fucking loopy these days anyway, if he had any sense he would return to his star making role.
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How gay.
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If a 60+ year old Harrison Ford can pull of Indy then a 50+ Mel can pull of Max, period.
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This should be awesome. MM:BT was like a MOW version. This series deserves a return to kick-ass-ness.
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I don't care if it happens with or without him. It would be cool if Mel was on board in some capacity for old time's sake, maybe even a small cameo, or as producer, or hek even as director. But I think it's great it's moving forward again. I hope hope they keep it hardcore and don't neuter it.
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I read the headline and was ecstatic. Then I read the story - no Mel. Can it. There's no point.
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He's Mad fucking Max.
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He's not eight-fucking-teen
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No fucking crying, he did that, now he's just mad.
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No long lost sons
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...a new Dirty Harry without Eastwood. I'm less than thrilled.
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Rappers do not apply!! I do not want to see Ja Fucking Rule or DMX and Bill Goldberg in Mad Max 4. That would ruin my life. I want to see someone who is a real hardcore mans man. What about that Spartan guy who's been linked to every movie since 300?
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Just the thought of screwing this up is enough for me to want to take half of Hollywood down to the Thunderdome for a beating.
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Oct 25, 2007 10:30:57 AM CDT
"Thank you for having the balls to imply what you really think a
by yesiamaplant
Yeah, cause it takes balls to talk shit about a film on a site like this. Don't get me wrong, I think it sounds awful too, but balls? Get a life.
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Oct 25, 2007 10:33:03 AM CDT
Bring back the Goose...He's gimped up, crispy and bat-shit crazy
by killakane
Be cool if Miller referenced some aspects of the first two Max films in Fury(and erased all recollection of Beyond Thunderbollocks)
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Old Mel would be just fine, and it's hard to imagine they won't muck it up with CGI, which would be a travesty.
Mad Max without Gibson is Waterworld + Fast & The Furious. The first two Max films were made in relative innocence, with small moneymaking potential and bare-bones effects capabilities compared to now, and that allowed the amazing, unique personality of those flicks to shine through. What made those movies was grit, dirt, roaring engines, metal, asphalt, and character. What made those movies was the look in Gibson's eyes, and NO ONE else can nail that, and without that, there is no Max.We saw the "safe" Max in Thunderdome, and it was ridiculous. With Hollywood's current stretch of play-it-safe, protect-the-money anxiety, how can we expect them to do it justice? They don't want to do it justice, they want to make a quick buck.It seems like a lot of us here want Hollywood to "go back" at step in a sense, to abandon the slick, cheap, computer-driven formula for making a modern big movie. I, for one, officially stopped being impressed with CGI through a combination of the Star Wars prequels and Van Helsing. The latter, especially, was a film I thought would have been 1,000 times better with no CGI at all. These types of films just don't feel real at all. Does anyone under 25 years old agree? Does anyone in the right demographic even care at all? Ah well. Such is life. -
I want to see a Max1 or 2 again... Mel needs to do it... if Rambo can come back so can Max!!!
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Merrick has shown he actually reads the talk backs and has acknowledged the general concensus that the JLA film is turning into a tweenie bopper franchise!!
He will most probably be hassled by said tweenie bopper smallville fans for the next few months!!
Balls are indeed needed to take that kind of abuse when your only doing your job!
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Which is worse? A new actor who is cast correctly replacing Gibson as Max or a 52 year old Gibson doing things that a 32 year old would have trouble doing? Depending on what the overall script is, the former may actually make it a better movie than the later.
If they made this movie ten years ago, I think Gibson would have been the better way to go. But I think he is too old.
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'Nuff said
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I like Bana,too. But it really should be Mel Gibson.
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Oct 25, 2007 11:08:27 AM CDT
Yes, Mel was 22...that was the FIRST film you twit. This is the
by karl hungus
A lot of shit's gone down in the interim...like a little thing called WWIII. And, by the way, it's also been 22 years since we last saw Max. How's that for irony?
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I meant to say, if AICN's header limit hadn't foiled me again.
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Doesn't mean Mel isn't THE depiction of Max everyone knows and loves. I mean, that'd be Sergio Leone making another Man With No Name film without Eastwood (well, he kinda did with Once Upon a Time in the West, but that was certainly far enough removed in tone and character to be considered its own film).
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Nothing deadlier than a soccer mom and her Escalade.
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Oct 25, 2007 11:27:30 AM CDT
Mel Gibson is Max like Brandon Lee is Eric Draven
by frenchtoastmanifesto
I totally understand where folks are coming from with the wish to see Gibson done the leather coat once more, but have you seen him lately?
Times, they be a changin' and the one guy I can see stepping into Max's shoes is Gerard Butler.
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Flames make em go faster and furiouser.
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That should get Mel onboard. Let's do this!
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Cast a guy who is roughly the same age as Gibson was at the end of Thunderdome. My vote is for Gerard Butler or Bana (see Chopper).
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If they can't drive in the Third World, what makes anyone think they can drive here?
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80s icons unite!
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Gerard Butler for Mad Max... do it now and do it hard.
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They should absolutely make this film. What else has the tired clapped out machine known as Hollywood got left but cracked and faded remakes happening? At least the first MM broke serious ground and pulled no punches, let the guys have another crack at it, does anybody else have any better ideas? The Grudge 3? Bring Max back...the last action hero.
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That final sequence is a fucking master class in how to construct an action sequence as a STORY rather than the chaotic mess most lazy fucking directors and editors fall back on today.
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He's officially persona non grata with the studio heads, and probably with audiences, too. No one is really interested in seeing an aging anti-semitic alcoholic on the screen anymore. Why do you think he's building a luxury compound in South America? He knows he's finished in the US.
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Gerard Butler. Fuck yeah.
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We need MEL! Oh, well - I guess I'd rather see another Mad Max without him than not one at all.
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I can't help but think this might be Miller's way of getting out of JLA. Can't imagine how any director can helm two mega-budget productions con-currently especially when they're fighting tooth and nail to avoid the SAG/DGA Strike this coming June.
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Speak for yourself.
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Look out! Oy vey
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As soon as he was doing the comic strip movie I said this meant Mad Max 4 would get going again. And I was right. So you should also believe me that it's time to drop all your silly comic nerd bullshit, just quit fucking whining and wait for him to make the movie. You don't even have a cast yet, you just have unsubstantiated rumors of who allegedly AUDITIONED, and already you feel you have looked deep into the movie's eyes and seen its soul. Well, that's bullshit. There is only one thing we know about this movie for sure and it's the one piece of information we need: GEORGE FUCKING MILLER is directing it. I am rubbing my eyes trying to figure out if I really saw a talkbacker above saying they should've hired some nerds who made an amateur super hero movie on youtube. OVER GEORGE FUCKING MILLER. Do you people watch movies? Do you know what they are? Are you trying to give me a fucking heart attack?Today I am prepared to predict that after seeing George Miller's Justice Team you will be so blown over by its power and majesty that you will immediately go home and burn all your Superman capes. Not out of hatred but out of enlightenment. If you love something set it free. And you will be free.
As for Mad Max, he's been saying for years that it wouldn't be Mel Gibson so don't be surprised. It was gonna be Mel when they started production but then when the Iraq war stopped it they said that was pretty much the last window where he'd be willing to do it. Not only does he hate Jews now, he's more interested in directing than acting. When was the last time you saw him in a movie?
Don't get me wrong, I'd rather see Mel back, but I think as long as it's George Miller you can do it without him. If you watch those movies, Max is kind of a blank, he's just a badass archetype. It is not one of the more challenging acting roles for Gibson. And it shouldn't be. If they cast well they can do it. I like the Bana suggestion but I think the best idea is some bad motherfucker you've never seen in a movie before. But yeah, stick with Australian.
The James Bond comparison is a good one. Personally I like Daniel Craig better than any of the other James Bonds. I like Christian Bale better than the other Batmen. I think you can do a good new interpretation of a classic character. Unless it's John McClane. You got me on that one. -
I can see it now.
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Sorry Vern but you know this to be true!!!!
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Saw it last night, pretty fucking good. I think Sam Jackson was the demon.
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In the barren wastelands of an apocalyptic future, ham is the new gold.
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How will Miller tie Max in to Iraq?
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Max is Gibson like McLean is Willis. Batman and Bond existed before and beyond the actors that portrayed them, so it's not really a good comparison. And aging Max would be best served by Gibson in the role.
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George FUCKING Miller indeed.
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for the next Road Warrior, Gibson was a relative unknown ('Tim' was'nt exactly a break out success for him)Miller will no doubt find a new talent that will do justice to the role without any Hollywoood baggage.
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Am I the only person in the wrolkd who's not impressed with this guy? Could be because I P.A.'d on a movie he was in and he was a real dicksmack. You guys see a movie hero, I see an asshole.
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but probably not be interested, seeing as he's the anti-movie star movie star.
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So they're changing the title as well - bastards! As for Mad Max, I would be very interested in seeing an older, grizzled Gibson in a 20-years-on scenario, but I'm not at all excited about the prospect of someone else in the role. Who would be interested in a Harrison-free Indy 4 or a Bruce-less Die Hard 4 - no-one. Get a clue, Miller.
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I'm with you Vern, ever since reading about a fourth Max I've anticipated no other forthcoming film more than this. And Nosferatu Jones, why would you give a fuck about the box-office gross of the film. The only thing that matters is we're gonna see a new Mad Max film helmed by George Miller. And that movie is gonna be called "Fury Road". Which for me and probably a bunch of other Max fans is really all that matters.
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I don't know why any of you are getting in a huff about "you gotta get Gibson back!" because he's not interested. Not. Interested. The parallels to Snake Plissken are wrong because Kurt Russell WANTS to play Snake again. Is. Interested. So on the one hand you have an actor who does NOT want to play his classic character. On the other, you have an actor who DOES want to play his classic character. So it's kind of a forgone conclusion at this point. A new Max movie will 99% (because you always have to leave a possibility) not be featuring Mel Gibson. And no, leave that douchebag Gerard "I was the Phantom of the Opera" Butler out of this. Bad enough he's taking over Snake. Though in his desperate need to be thought of as "macho", it wouldn't surprise me to see Butler lobby for the Max role. Because of his look in Chopper, I'd almost rather see Bana play the lead villain in a new Max flick, as opposed to Max himself.
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Mel should stick to directing amazing balls-out action movies - best movie of last year and no one noticed because of Mel's craziness.
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I love Mad Max and the Road Warrior, but I don't know about a Mel Gibson-less Max movie. I'm sure the movie will rock, but will it still have the same feeling without the crazy man, himself?
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He may be a bigot, but the dude can direct.
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Will Smith's son.
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...Viggio Mortgenson. I wanted him to play Roland in the Dark Tower movie adaptation, but I'll allow him to do this one while the screenplay for DT is getting ready. Your welcome, Viggio.
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Gotta figure it will be good, but I can't find confirmation that Miller will definitely be directing since he obviously has conflicts. Too many rumors floating around (is it still the script Miller wrote with Brendan McCarthy?) Oh, well, exciting anyway, wait and see.
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Not Aussy but still a badass...
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I'd rather watch Thunderdome over and over again then see that overhyped guy from that overhyped movie as Max...let's see...famous lines of Max as delivered by Gerard "Spaaaaahhhhhhrrrrrrtaaaaaaa" Butler...
"You wanna get out of heeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhh? You taaaaaahhhhhlllkkkk to meeeeeeeeee!"
"You can saaaaaaaaawwwwwwwww through your aaaaahhhhhhnnnnkkllle in fiiiiiivvvvvvvvvve!"
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As much as love Mel in the role, I don't think it's got to be him in it.
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I agree, old Mel Gibson doing the UNFORGIVEN of Mad Max would be, to borrow Odysseus's adjective, amazalypto. But Miller has said that FURY ROAD is not about Max's age, it's just another of his many adventures as he wanders the wastelands.
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How about Hugh Jackman then? OR BOTH! Post-apocalyptic buddy road trip, hot car, shirts off, singing show tunes?
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Asses!!!
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I cannot BELIEVE I'm the first person to write that...what's wrong with you people?
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Actually I would love "some nerds who made an amateur super hero movie on youtube" direct Justice League as the director of "Happy Feet." And not because I'm dissing George Miller, but because I happen to think that what Hollywood needs is to start taking risks. What happened to the Hollywood that hired David Lynch to direct "Dune?" Or Brian DePalma for "Mission:Impossible." Get Cronenberg to direct Justice League and I'd be interested. Why? Because it would be different and I'm sick of seeing the same old fucking homogenized bullshit over and over again. Stop settling for this garbage. Hollywood is so creatively bankrupt that it's frightening. I'm horrified that in a few years every single movie that is released will suck ass. Because it's getting pretty damned close to that. Name the five best movies you've seen this year. Yeah that's what I thought... THEY ALL SUCK!
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nevertheless Vern is by far the best writer on this site, I just wanted to emphasize how much that "Grayson" clip kicks ass.
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The MAD MAX series is not like the Bond series – there have only been three films, all starred Mel Gibson, and the last one came out years ago. How is that like the Bond series? Of course it's POSSIBLE to keep the character going by casting another actor in the part, but would any of us want to see an INDIANA JONES film starring someone else as Indiana Jones? The answer is no, none of us want that. Look, Vern is right in saying that a lot of us are being typical geek jerks, judging all these films long before we have any real reason to judge them, but I just don't like the idea of someone else playing Max, it'd be like if George Lucas decided to cast someone else as Han Solo in RETURN OF THE JEDI instead of Harrison Ford, it just wouldn't have been the same.
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Like it or not, the studios are businesses, and if I were a studio, no way would I spend 200 million (or whatever it is) on the amateur film nerds! That's nuts to expect them to do that! George Miller is inspired when you look at that price range - he is most definitely not Michael Bay, Rob Cohen, McG, or any other number of MTV-style action directors. You may or may not know that at one point, David Slade, who directed 30 Days of Night, was strongly considered as director of JL, but when the budget surpassed 100 million, they decided to go with George Miller - thank God they did, because 30DON was AWFUL. Style over substance. You can't accuse Miller of that.
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Everyone is excited about the prospect of a new Mad Max film as we all should!!! BUT those assuming a recast Max would be a Russell Crowe (43), Clive Owen (43),VIGO (50), Daniel Craig (40) in lieu of Mel are high as a kite. A- those actors are all in their mid 40's (Vigo is only 3 years younger than Mel!!) Why not just cast Mel??? He's in the same age group most of you dopes are championing as the next equally cool YOUNGER Max. No They will prob cast some young very queer looking abercrombie and fitch looking model and piss everyone off. And Vern you liked Craig better than Connery based on one slightly overrated film?? Wow you really like your Danial Craig, personally I liked him better in Layer Cake. And Merrick weren't you trying to tell us all how cool an Escape From NY remake would be without Kurt Russell??? You are either a shameless studio schill or you love to piss on classics. Either way you are quite the genre nihlist
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I don't really care about a bunch of new Max films. I just want George Miller's "MAD MAX Part IV - FURY ROAD". I would really, really love to see Mel as Max in it, but if that can't happen, so be it. Like i said, I think a George Miller directed Mad Max film called FURY ROAD is bound to kick major ass. With or without Gibson, and to the guy who said Apocalypto was the shit, I fully agree.
By the way, Gibson loved working for and is a big admirer of George Miller.
Here's some Gibson quotes from an IGN interview regarding the Max series from december '06.
IGN: "Well, is there a film or film series you would like to revisit for a sequel or follow-up?"
Gibson: "Well, I always felt those Road Warrior movies were pretty cool,like they were in-the-gutter comic book stuff. It was like really pretty exciting stuff. I don't know. We began to mount one; it was a terrific idea that George Miller had and, boy, it was prohibitively expensive. But maybe there will be a time and place where that won't be the case. I don't know"
Yes, of course having Mel back as Max would completely rule, but I'd rather see Miller's new Max film with another bloke called Max Rockatansky, as no Max 4 at all. Damn !
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It'll be #1 and no one will be able to figure out how and why.
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You're right Miller is a good director. This is totally unrelated, but I think you will all be sucking McG's mcDick in a couple of mcYears, because the Charlie's Angels movies kick as much ass as they possibly could. I mean, they are fucking chick action movies produced by Drew Barrymore, what the hell else was he supposed to do with them? McG is going to be a great director. Just watch.
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The first thing McG needs to do if he wants to be a great director is stop calling himself McG. McG has played to his strengths...Charlie's Angels was flashy with hot chicks, and I totally dig that...BUT, We Are Marshall was so-so at best, and he needs to kick ass with those kind of movies too if he wants to be taken seriously.
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I couldn't believe it, but there you go. A pimp.
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DUDE IS FUCKING KATE HUDSON.
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Or get that guy from Lost, Matt Fox........
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in a bikini. The desert is hot.
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'cus now you're all just being silly ... Matthew Fox is about as interesting as watching paint dry ... bleh ... and Gerard Butler?!? - OH, PLEASE, GOD, NO!
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I know the movie industry is in a real interesting state right now, and creatively it seems very uninspired, but how retro are you people? I understand that older movies are better than most new ones, but how stuck in the past are you? Everyone has given up on Hollywood to try and do something new (which is completely understandable as people have felt that way for many many years), and instead hope that the studios can revamp something that did work in the past, but that's just too nostalgic for me. And you're all acting rather conservative when it comes to new possibilities like different actors or trying new types of effects. George Miller directing a new movie sounds great, even though I really do not care to see a superhero flick, but the idea of a new Mad Max just doesn't sound that cool to me. It's from another place and another time. I'd rather see something new, yet I only see a huge separation with the audiences and the studios. Everybody hates the choices the studios make, yet the studios keep on doing it and they make their money back, unless I'm completely wrong. Regardless of how good a new mad max will be, we all know that nobody will really associate it with the older trilogy. that's just the way it is. It will never satisfy you uber nerds! Nothing ever will haha. It seems like the only people directing movies these days are nerds who want to make some letter to a time when they couldn't see the movies they would have liked to see in the theater. Maybe I won't have a choice but to embrace what the studios will be coming out with in the future, but as you can see I'm much less enthusiastic about these sequels and remakes and comic book adaptations or retro "back in the day" flicks, as I'm sure everyone else is, but whatever. I definitely don't expect Mel to be on board for this, and finding someone new doesn't bother me, as long as they have those eyes.
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And Miller has to direct too. This talk borders on ridiculous.
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Maybe now we'll FINALLY get decent DVD editions of Road Warrior and even Thunderdome? What the hell is taking so damned long?
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....that Gibson isn't apart of this? After production fell apart before filming a few years back, Gibson stated that he had given up on it and would not be returning if the film ever got off the ground again. Ever since then, George Miller has constantly stated that he would be recasting the role and keeping Max closer to the age he was in the others. Hell, last year he stated that he has some ideas for two additional ones beyond Fury Road if it does well. Miller has his heart set on a new gritty low-budget Mad Max trilogy of sequels and between the success of Happy Feet and the potential successes of JLA & Happy Feet 2.............I'd say there's a chance that he'll get his way. Anyway, I suspect Miller will cast an unknown in the role of Max Rockatansky and not a current star in order to keep the costs down (and to get them to sign a potential three-film contract).
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Sounds good to me man, I didn't know Miller was thinking about a brandnew trilogy. Not so sure about these new films being low-budget affairs, see Gibson's remarks in my previous post for that. Not that i care or want those follow-ups to be very expensive affairs, mind you. I've forgotten the exact amount Mel was about to pocket by returning for Max 4 before the movie fell through, but it was an enormous amount, something like 30 million + .
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i'm glad MM4 is back in pre-production (again) and even posted on wanting MM4 a few days in the rambo tb. but i'd rather see a respectable finish to Mel's Max story with Mel, capping off the first two classics with such a Disney movie was a tragedy, i want the fourth to have some closure for Mel's blighted journey. are people seriously considering some younger guy? i've even heard of a younger Mel lookalike being in the role. that is some ghastly stuff. this too-old thing is nonsense, while Ford is in his 60s doing Indiana Jones, an even more physical character, Mel is 51. get Mel or get no one. i'm glad Miller is doing this since he had practically nothing to do with the third one. all that high octane mayhem of the cars, and the pop-pageantry of the road barbarian battles was all him.
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greatest action film of all time, and those saying Mel isn't keen on doing it, he said he's do a toothpaste commercial for Miller. he can keep making his amazing historic epics but dammit he owes it to be Max one more time!!!!! this is his franchise what Bond was to Connery, what Conan was to Arnold.
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been cockblocked twice, by the Jewish. Maybe Gibson can direct that.
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To all the guys talking about this film flopping and doing bad at the box-office, were you guys asked to do personal financial investments in the film? Do you work for the studio that's gonna have to put down the cash to make the movie ? If none of you get excited that George Miller himself who helmed the original 3 Max films and could probably choose to direct any film he wants but really wants to film a new Mad Max film called Fury Road, then I don't know what to say. How the fuck can you say this movie is gonna blow ?
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Make it so.
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He really should be posting and cracking me up.
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...he may have started out as a warrior but max's surely risen up to kingship by now. shame no mel though. this movie would fit the career path nicely...
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i want this movie more than any other movie that will come out. MM2: Road Warrior is my third fav movie of all time.
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Rudy Youngblood for Tonto!
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You and me both pal, although seeing Harrison back on the big screen as Indiana is something I'm not gonna pass on either. And about two billion other movie fans on planet Earth.
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...I can't believe I just said that, but get Mel to come back as old Mad Max. That'd be the best. Say what you will about the guy, he's a good actor, and as an old Mad Max he'd be great.
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...you heard it here first - he'll do all his own stunts, of course! Or Sam Worthington if you want the girls to watch it - but he's busy filming Avatar...
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I want you guys to go back and watch that shit again, then I want you to come back here and apologize for parroting that bullshit line all these years just because people didn't get the retread they wanted back then.
It may be the third best of the series but that doesn't stop it being brilliant. I mean from the opening shot on it's a work of genius. Miller is the guy who had the balls to make two of the greatest car chase movies of all time and then, in part 3, have the driver get knocked off his vehicle in the opening shot and become a pedestrian! Then he becomes more of a Clint Eastwood character as he tries to get his car back, but ultimately there is another crazy ass car chase at the end involving a high speed train and an airplane. Also I like the Leone style gimmick of having Bruce Spence return but as a different character than in Road Warrior.
The scene of Max walking into Barter Town in my opinion is the best detailed fantasy world type business outside of Star Wars. That seems like a real place you're walking through.
Just because there's some kids in there you're really gonna shit on this movie? I even like that part of the movie, those kids with their fucked up language and their weird notions of the world based on misunderstandings of garbage they found after the apocalypse. They're not as cool as the feral child but they're not the unwatchable Jar Jars you people make them out to be.
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You can say that again. I just Googled around and found some interesting info. In the FURY ROAD version that was ready to shoot in 2003 Robert Downey Jr. was gonna play alongside Gibbo. Here's some other info I found which could shed some light on where FURY ROAD will be heading visually ..."Australian writer/director George Miller promised fans yet another sequel, but said that he was waiting for CGI effects, like he used in the Babe films, to reach the point where he could realize his vision " To me that doesn't sound like this is gonna be some small intimate movie. Like Gibson already stated, Fury Road was gonna be big in scope.
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But I watched Thunderdome again about three weeks ago. It was bollocks. Sure, the beginning showed promise, and the end was alright, but pretty much a complete rehash of the end of Two. Like when you watched T3 and thought "You know, I feel like I've seen this movie before." But the middle part of Thunderdome, bullshit mate, there's no way you can defend that. It's fucking cringeworthy. Those kids, my god, I wanted to smash my tv in. They were so annoying, so ridiculously stupid. The idea may have seemed good on paper, but in execution it was a total balls up. Really bad acting, just terrible. Grrr, just thinking about them pisses me off. I believe they truly are the Jar Jars of the Mad Max franchise, can you point to any part of the series that is worse than they are? Nope. To paraphrase Tim Bisley "those kids make Jar Jar look like fucking Shaft!"
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Still, no one to blame but himself...
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the only person I can see replacing Mel in the title role is Gerard Butler. I don't see him as Snake Plissken, but Max...that I can see. Otherwise, just go with a new lead character and pass the baton so to speak. Mad Max:The Next Generation. But for the love of all Gods, no sing-song speaking children saying byedy-bye to anything. THAT was the bullshit that made Thunderdome suck so much ass. I really liked the "audition" Max had in Auntie's. Other than that, it was crap.
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Mickey Rourke as someone else maybe good maybe bad. The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes was built to play this fucking role!!!
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Greater Directors have fallen flat on their face. Every great whatever will also makes a Colossal failure. That the science of improvement- learning from and making mistakes/failures. Just cause he's George Fucking Miller doesn't mean shit. George Fucking Lucas feel on his face so did Peter Fucking Jackson and Brain Fucking Singer and so on and so on. I'm not a comic book fan, and I could give to fucks about the whole JLA thing. Matter of factly I hate all of these cookie cutter Superhero films. I'm awaiting one where the heroes a former hero and a hooker fucking cocaine shooting bank robber or something like that. I'm just saying people have a right to hold reservation irregardless of who controls the wolfpack. It's sad that you AIC fella's get down on your knees for some of these guys. Talk about star fucking. You have penises, get off your knees already! I'm glad your happy Vern, but you ain't God and we aren't your People, so if some of us choose to be pissed. So be it. Free Cunt'ry!------ If this gets me kicked no biggie- It just means the truth hurts, and I found your button. Reviewers should be as unpredictable as the film makers they judge but I pretty much know the flavors this crew likes.
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I even liked the part with the kids.
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I'm just saying "director of Mad Max" outweighs "but I wanted the guy from my teen soap opera to play Superman" when it comes to that movie. Just on Ain't It Cool talkbacks there've probaly been tens of thousands of words spent on petty bullshit that almost nobody will ever think about when they see the final product. It's like the "Daniel Craig is too ugly to play James Bond" movement. Nobody takes the time to think, holy shit, they got George Miller! They care about the color of the panties they wear and if they look like the way so-and-so drew them on page 23 and if the robots are the correct height but nobody gives a shit about storytelling and cinematic vision and the things that make movies great.
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i saw son of the mask though
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Oct 25, 2007 8:02:30 PM CDT
Nit Picking is the nature of this sites TB and it always will be
by thepilgrim
Thats what people come here too do. They come to disect, learn information, share/give opinions, and bitch. Yeah, I can see where you are coming from. Like "Flames On Optimus Taint" and "Unsociable Hammer Melting Owl"- Thats just what the talkbackers do "The nature of the beast". Shit I'm guilty of caring/voicing out about the look and persona of themain villains in a few horror reprises, but thats what a fan does. They worry, they doubt, they get excited, they cheer and so on. It all depends on factors. I don't know shit about JLA. If it's anything like superfriends cartoon back in the 80's then ok. So they are making a film on that concept. For me thats a pass- no matter how good it is, cause I don't like comic book hero films. Just like i could care less for wirefu, kungfu, white actors doing kungfu, Rapid MTV film edits, gel effects like blue for night, day shot for night(shadows in Silence Of The Lambs durring BB nightvision scenes) washed out or green gel efects (any gel effects) in horror films, rail thin skinny born again blonde tit and vanere job crack ho female leads. I hate Remakes, and I know Mori hates it as do many others I'm for a The Thing Sequel. We all have different taste.
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There is not one of you worthy to like the debris stuck to the bottom of his shoes, soda-caked on them from strolling into countless theaters. George Miller is the fucking man. Period. End of story. Done done done.
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It reads as "Furry Road" and that is just unsettling.
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and I bitched like hell on the Talkbacks about it. I was wrong, the movie proved me wrong, but goddamn it was fun bitching.
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wassup. I like Vern but the TBs would never be a fraction as fun without the bitching. Long live the bitching!!!
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Come on, he's done 3 of them, to re-cast in the 4th would be utterly moronic. BUT...we're talking about big-studio honchos, so moronic fits the bill. You pinheads casting this thing, you NEED to get Mel somehow. He IS Mad Max and has been for almost 30 years now. Crikey. Look beyond opening weekend receipts for once, you idiots.
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Not up to the first two films, of course, but it's as underappreciated as Day Of The Dead was back when it was first released. Now, 20+ years later, everyone loves Day but still hates Thunderdome?
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You've gotta be kidding me if you think that is a GOOD direction for the material? Jesus, it would get laughed out of the theaters! I mean, that costume mixed with the FORCED dread and angst of the character is just silly. Can't you people just enjoy your comic books and accept that these are character for children? Playing that shit straight with live actors rarely works...and now you want a whole team of them standing around a space-age club house discussing crimefighting strategy while pretending NOT TO NOTICE that they are all wearing masks in each others presence...and for no logical reason???? Personally, I do hope they make the JLA flick because it will be funny to see all those "actors" trying to be serious in clown costumes. Good luck, George!
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Well I was going to whine like a school girl about Mel not being in the movie and probably take a potshot at Thunderdome, but Vern you've changed my mind with some good points. Barter Town was very cool and the kids weren't nearly as annoying as we all like to think they were (Mrs. Walker!). My only complaint is Mel getting knocked off his horse. Mad Max without the Interceptor would be like Han Solo without the Millenium Falcon - it just ain't right.
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I thought he was the one who dropped out? No one else's fault if he doesn't want to be involved. As for George Miller, I couldn't have given two shits and a pence about JL until he was on. I was that asshole who thought "ROAD WARRIOR director doing a movie about goddam dancing penguins? Going to suck..." and I'm still eating crow after seeing what is probably the most impressive non-Pixar cg movie. I made that same mistake about BABE: PIG IN THE CITY too. Man has about as good a track record as anyone in Hollywood, and the man behind the Maxes, LORENZO'S OIL and WITCHES OF EASTWICK can do whatever he wants, and I'm not going to make the mistake of doubting his judgement again. Just saying FURY ROAD gets my blood pumping!
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It is senseless. It is un-possible. You can't replace Indiana Jones, or Dirty Harry, or MAD MAX and go on like nothing has happened. It's just a big WTF from the audience. What would it really take to get Mel back on board? Has anybody asked him recently if he would change his mind?
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IN MY OPINION: If they cant get Mel Gibson, that's fine I guess. I don't know that he could pull it off anymore. THOMAS JANE however, would be fucking awesome!! His work in The Punisher was good, even if the film itself could have been somewhat better, but after seeing him in Stander, HOLY CRAP!!! This guy IS THEE MAN! In my book Kurt Russell is one of the best badass's ever and still has a lot of life in him (just look at people like Charles Bronson and Lee Marvin and how long those guys lasted as true bad ass dudes!). Thomas Jane is carrying on the tradition. He is the top young bad ass of our time! He's got a lot of depth to him and I think capable of a hell of a lot given the opportunity. Hope to see a lot more of him in the future. Hope this "The Mutant Chronicles" thing he is coming out in 2008 with Ron Perlman and John Malkovich is good. I don't know. It could be great (or it could really suck) but we shall see. I'm sure the actors will do a decent job, but the story/material better be good.
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I could care less about his politics and alleged viewpoints. I want to see MEL GIBSON back as Max. Even if they nab some excellent casting (I'd go with Clive Owen myself), and with Miller returning to the director's chair, it's going to be cool, but it's not going to be as good as it could be. Sorry.
With Rambo, Rocky, Indy, Die Hard, etc. coming back, MAD MAX: FURY ROAD would be the frickin' cherry on top of the sundae! How badass would it be to see Gibson in that role again.
I respect him for wanting to move on to more personal projects, but I wouldn't count Mel out of this project just yet. COME ON MEL!!! -
...that getting a fourth Max film was part of Miller's contract negotiations for taking on Justice League, and if that's true then that's what his next film would likely be as soon as he's done with JL. If that's true or not, or if that's already been mentioned in this long assed talkback I don't know, but that was the scuttlebut a little while ago. And so to now see things moving ahead with MM4 again, well, maybe it is true after all. Plus which, the film already has a script, so it'd also be a tentpole film that would avoid the writers strike fallout as well, which is another thing in it's favour. Wait and see what happens I guess. Still, a Max film without Mad Mel is still a tough sell, regardless of how much I dig Miller's work.
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Yes, now that you mention it, I think it would be very good for Mel to reprise this character. If he could have a good script and really put his legendary talent and guts into the role, it would probably be very good for his career. He's done some films that I have liked recently, I thought he was great in The Patriot, and he did a fine job in We Were Soldiers, but seeing him as Max once again would be really good. Especially as how I'm VERY unhappy with the fact that he is going to be coming soon in "Under and Alone" playing William Queen. Yeah, I read Queen's book, and though what he did may have been necessary to stop the particular group he was dealing with, it pisses on bikers way too damn much. Not all 1 percenters are scum and murderers. And as for the whole drunken racist outburst stuff of Mel, shit, THE DUDE WAS SKUNK DRUNK! There may be no excuse to be so drunk, but there is no excuse for taking the mouthing off of a drunk guy so seriously either. Shit, grow up. Maybe he reads too much conspiracy crap or something. Who the hell knows, it may not be very racist motivated, it could just be some drunk ravings of a drunk dude. Not everything a drunk person says reveals some inner secret hidden truth or meaning! If that was the case, we should just let the drunks rule the world (oh, excuse me, they sort of are doing that already aren't they!) heh heh heh...
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Viva las perrandas!
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Forget Justice League, Miller! Do Max 4 instead! DO IT!
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Barter Town ruled, but the kiddie oasis shit killed the movie. Fact, you can't even find the full trilogy in most video stores. They carry Mad Max and Road Warrior but don't stock Thunderdome.
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Nuff Said. Fuck Gerald Butler, fuck Thomas Jane and fuck Nathon Fillian. Has to be Bana.
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Sure it was a tad slower but the film was Miller attempting to turn Max from Action Hero to Myth. In fact upon reading Harry's Soldier review where he said as dissapointed as he was in that abysmal film he still prefered it to thunderdome, I decided that Harry's movie experiences are more to do with what he thinks the movie should be rather than the merit of the filmmaking on show.
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Mad Max is Mel Gibson. Can they make a good movie based on the Mad Max premise? Sure. But whoever they pick, will NOT be Mad Max. He will be "golly I wish I was Mel Gibson but I'm not".
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He was also in Tod Browning's 1932 "Freaks." Ran a newsstand in Hollywood when he wasn't working. Got to meet him when I was a kid. Very cool guy. Oh, and Vern's right. "Thunderdome" is pig shit. When Bruce Spence was brought back in a different role, it killed the film for me.
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A different role? He was the Gyro-Captain. Yes he lead the people to the ocean at the end of The Road Warrior, but who said that after 10 years, he didnt go back to the wasteland? He did have a son, maybe from the little hottie that he hooked up with at the end, she died and he took his kid and returned. Max pointed him out and said "you" like he knew him well. So he is not a different charactor.
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I would rather see a new adventure with Bana as Max, than Gibson, 53 year old Alki, jew slapping, nutball as Max. Hate me if you want but can you look at Gibson the same after the circus he has become in the last few years? The Character/world of Mad Max is strong enough to let anyone fill the shoes(i.e. Batman, Bond)
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I've also always figured it was a different character. Plus, on imdb (and I asume also during the credits) of Thunderdome, he's listed as "Jedediah the Pilot".
Not sure why Gibson is supposed to recognize him. Maybe they're just playing with the fact that the actor was in the other movie, as a semi-joke to the audience? Kind of what Gibson and Glover do in Maverick? -
"I even like that part of the movie, those kids with their fucked up language and their weird notions of the world based on misunderstandings of garbage they found after the apocalypse. "
This is called a Cargo Cult.
This really happened after World War 2.
All of the natives on South Pacific islands saw things they didn't understand and found objects they couldn't explain that were left behind by American and Japanese soldiers fighting in the Pacific.
They often worshiped these objects, situations, or even specific people (American soliders) as gods.
Web search "Cargo Cult" and go to town.
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For those of you who think that Mel can't be recast: Connery did SIX movies as Bond, and then quit (coming back for a seventh, and then that Never Say Never deal a decade later). When Connery split, everyone thought Bond was OVER. And yet there was Moore, Brosnan, and the rest. Here were are almost four decades after Sean bailed, and Bond is going strong. And he did a total of EIGHT Bonds, not three (like Mel in Mad Max). They'll recast the movie if they smell money. Oh, and also for you Thunderdome defenders: yes, it had some good PARTS, but fucking hell, Tina Turner? Bleh. Sinks the flick right there.
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Let's face it the success of the "Mad Max" franchise is do to George
Miller's vision of a "post-apocalyptic" world inhabited by colorful Australian
"nut-cases" driving around really fast looking for more "go-juice"(by any
means necessary) so that they can keep on driving around really fast doing
whatever (sick and twisted thing) they want. The success of the "Mad Max
movies" does not rest on the shoulders of Mel Gibson's acting...(Yes) It may
be true that we have become accustomed to seeing Mel Gibson as
"Max"...and (yes) it could be true that we have come to expect Mel Gibson in
a "Mad Max" movie, but we do not NEED Mel Gibson for a good "Mad Max movie". Lets face it, the character of Max is a wooden one dimensional burn-out in leather, and Mr Gibson doesn't bring a lot more to the character...The James Bond movies would not have been a sucsess without Connery's
portail of Bond. And I don't think "Indiana Jones" would have been as
endearing to us if he had been played by another actor (Mr Ford brought a vulnerable likability to the character of "INDY"). But the Mad Max movies could have been just as popular (example) if he had been played by
Bruce Willis (Willis might have even brought some irony to the role). I'm not
saying I don't like Gibson as Max, but I don't think we should right-off a "new"
Mad Max movie just because Gibson isn't in it. With George Miller at the
helm their is a whole lot MORE potential for a new "Mad Max" movie then
their is in the JLA movie...The JLA project should be a TV series. Their is just
too much material to cover in 2 hours for us to get anything other then (at
best) a passable movie. With movie's based on "old" comic book's we expect a little bit of back story, a fresh vision, our favorite characters, and some "kick-ass" action...their are too many "hero's" in a JLA story to do justics to every hero. So what we get is a "glossed over" backstory that jumps right into the action and dosn't explore any hero in a new or meaningful way...At best we could hope for a good villian and "cookie-cutter" hero's doing exactly what we expect them to do...This subject matter whould be much better served up in a TV series where they could explore each of the "super hero's" story and their relation ships with each other. -
is that Bond is a huge mainstream franchise designed to contain something for everyone. Even Indiana Jones or Star Wars doesn't have as broad appeal as Bond does. Plus, Bond also has its share of followers who reads the books.
Mad Max has three post-apocalypticly (very unmainstream) themed movies made 20-30 years ago.
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Mel is in his early 50s. Stallone is 60 doing Rambo again. Harrison Ford is 65, yet playing a character a lot more physical than Mad "leg brace/behind-the-wheel" Max. Just do this already Mel.
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That's what THE WILD BUNCH was all about. It's Mel or no-one for me. I want to see how much more humanity the world has kicked out of old Max and I want to see him take a last grasp at redemption whether it succeeds or fails. Let him die trying so we can watch him pass into myth. That's good shit. Explore it.
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Oct 26, 2007 3:59:44 AM CDT
Yes but How Does the Making of Mad Max 4 Affect Cloverfield
by sakedickens2006
What does it all mean anyway?
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except Mel Gibson himself. I agree with proton45. George Miller is Mad Max more than Mel Gibson is. But I also agree that they should make a serious push to try to get Gibson to do it before they recast. Give him some Three Stooges DVDs or something to butter him up.
As for Bruce Spence in Thunderdome, I believe he is a different character, but they also want to play with the audience by making him similar. Max says "You..." as if he recognizes him as the gyro pilot, but then you think no, he recognizes him as the guy who knocked him off his camel and stole his truck. And he's saying "You" not as in "It's you, the gyro pilot" but as in "You there, you have a plane, we need it."
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I think you're about the only bod out there that can withstand repeated viewing of it, most fans just get pissed off and depressed by a wasted opportunity that was totally out of character with it's predecessors. A Mad Max lite for gelled up 80's bemulleted dads who like to listen to Aha. I remember how fucking dissappointed I felt after seeing it back when it came out, I'd been expecting another viscerally charged Road Warrior neo-western and was left feeling short-changed by a pedestrian and tedious failure.
All the singular aspects you praise it for, (with the exception of the Cinematography and that final action sequence) are for me the reason it was such a dire addition to the series. Miller compromised the rating and summarily cut off the balls that were vital to a Max film. It was Disney Max with a dulled edge and suffering from langorous pacing and a boring plot that made the fatal mistake of incorporating a bunch of unconvincing designer ferral brats whingeing on about a naff prophecy. I did'nt give a flying fart about Max's redemption in context of that set-up, it failed! The film was bereft of any sense of menace, and the raw brutality characterised by the likes of the Toe-cutter and Humongus was sadly missing; the heavies in TD in comparison were a bunch of luke-warm leather joy-boy-mongos led by a demure and frankly dull Tina Turner. These were weak characters halfway between civi survivors and nomad trash. I wanted to revisit the harsher world of established in previous films, instead we got bogged down in Bartertown, a dead-end quagmire in every sense. The only interest there being the titular Thunderdome arena, which in concept could have been an opportunity for a truly nasty set-piece, instead we got a poorly executed and bouncingly camp fight - too far removed from the superior and raw action of Mad Max 2 to let it slide, Miller had raised the bar high to throw such a lousy curve. No, I can't watch this film, the series still rests at Mad Max 2/Road Warrior in my continuum. OH...and BANA FOR MAX! -
Oct 26, 2007 4:34:51 AM CDT
Always the Seppos pushing American actors...MAX IS AN AUSSIE
by killakane
Just cos you drongo's can't understand what the rest of the English speaking world is saying you have to dub our exports! BANA FOR MAX!
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The biggest hit to this movie won't be audiences pissed at not getting Mel. It'll be audiences pissed at getting a family-friendly Mad Max.
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Oct 26, 2007 5:52:39 AM CDT
Bredan Reverso McCarthy (2000AD, Deadline) wrote Fury Road's scr
by killakane
and designed the costumes, his spec script apparently prompted renewed interest from Miller in getting the film made a few years back. It was quoted as being 'prohibitively expensive' but exciting and original to get both Miller and Gibson Stoked. I think the CG houses being approached will predominantly be dealing with environment work, that is if it's as audaciously as big in scope as originally mooted. Anyone familiar with McCarthy's body of work will know he's a brilliant madman in the graphic tradition of Moebius/Jorowdowsky. I wonder if his draft is still the basis for the nex Max film?
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Multiposting lame jokes and comments in the title over and over and over again ad nauseum??
Nosferatu Jones, ebolamonkey, BringingSexyBack
Seriously?? I mean there was always one or two chuckleheads that lurked here and there but it seems lately everyone's gotten off their ADD meds.
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Oct 26, 2007 7:52:50 AM CDT
theres a picture of the Predator/Alien at Empire Online
by rocklobster800
for those with an interest in such malarky
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That movie rocked. "Master-blaster! Master-blaster!" I have a dude I work with and I still call him "Waaaaaaalkerrrrrrrr. Waaaaaaalkerrrrrr. Buh! Buh!" Loved it. Bana or Crowe would be great. I would love a story about MM reluctantly helping restart some semblance of society and needing to kick some crazy freak ass to make it happen. Something that continued the redemption he started in MM:BTD.
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Sorry. I am a huge fan. I consider Mad Max 2 to be one of the BEST action movies ever. But you won't get my money for a Mad Max movie without Mel. Not even you George.
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they won't use Buter. Even assuming he wanted it they won't because he's going to be Plisken (sp?) Karl Urban is the man they need. He can look young or old depending on how he is made up. Not sure if filming will conflict with Star Trek 90210, but he would be awesome. He's dedicated too. In Riddick during the opening scenes with hundreds of the (what was their name again?) Anyway, the director or someone to that effect told him he didn't need to be there that day as everyone was in their full helmets. It was like one of the last scenes filmed, and he showed up anyway. Big star coming to play a bit part when he's already filmed everything he needs, and can just cut loose- that's dedication.
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You make some great points. But the self serving loner Mad Max was over even at the end of "The Road Warrior" He drives the tanker in a selfless act. It would have just been a rehash to keep his character the bitter selfish character he was at the beginning of tRW. I can understand not liking the overall tone of Thunderdome, but the quality of the world and the atmosphere of the movie was pretty good for me.
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id love to see this made, but after the kiddie star wars prequels, im not getting my hopes up for a good "return to the wasteland" movie.
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...is that James Bond was already an established character before Sean Connery played him, whereas Mad Max didn't exist before Mel Gibson played him. That's why you can recast Bond, because Sean Connery merely played James Bond, whereas Mel Gibson is Mad Max and Mad Max is Mel Gibson in the mind of everyone who knows or has heard of that character. Therefore any recasting is a far, far, far harder and more dangerous proposition, one that'd be almost impossible to pull off with any degree of success. Personally I still think they could get Gibson if Miller wants him, just as long as the money men are willing to pony up the big money to get him to sign on. After all even now Gibson still gives props to Miller and the original Mad Max for giving him a career, and was willing to sign on to play Max one last time just before this project was cancelled the last time (right on the verge of starting shooting). It's not impossible, so here's hoping that if this really does happen they'll make all efforts (and pay whatever it takes) to get Gibson on board.
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More original than most of the crap that comes out nowadays anyway. True: the Barter Town part was actually stunning, the rest not so much. But it still was original and had an exciting climatic sequence too. Mad Max 1 and especially 2 were much better though.
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...IS Mel Gibson. And no BTD wasn't total shite but it was a much liter version of the true MM (there is an 'ewok' quality to the fat pudgy kids part). Within the context of a MM film, changing the actor would be a distraction. Miller certainly has to do it to give it justice but I'd be ambivalent towards a non-Mel Mad Max movie at this point...and I'm obviously not alone in that thinking.
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. . .use REAL CARS and REAL STUNTS. No CG crap in a Mad Max film, that would be sacrilege.
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Make him Crazy Carl or Nutty Ned or something and make the opening scene him walking by a monument to Mel Gibson in the village square of the costal paradise town built by the oil riggers from Mad Max 2. He can pause for reflection and then go have his own adventure.
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are classics. Thunderdome was forgettable. In fact, I've forgotten what the point was. I'll be happy to play Max Rockatansky.
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As much as Mel has become the pissed up, spokes-fanatic for the worlds most popular god. He is Max and Max is He, end of!
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whErE mY meDs At?
Does Mel have a son who could do this movie? Mel Jr. for Max!!! -
Max's cousin takes over.
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I just rewatched the Max trilogy earlier this year, and it blew me away again. Mad Max and Thunderdome are both great (deal with it, Thunderdome haters), and The Road Warrior is the greatest action movie ever made. When I read that a fourth movie was possible, I was psyched. But without Mel, I'm not sure I'd go see it. I respect that you consider Max along the lines of Bond and Batman, Vern--but I don't. Those were already established characters before anyone played them in a movie. In that case, the character is more important than the actor. But Mel is Max. I don't want to see some flavor of the week actor (Gerard Butler, I'm looking at you) take his place. I know Miller doesn't misstep much, but I think this one would be a mistake.
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...maybe I'll be at least pleasantly surprised if the movie gets made (like you were with Die Hard 4). It could at least be good, if not great like the others. I guess I should at least give Miller that chance.
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First time I saw Grandma's Boy I thought, that guy could play a young Mel Gibson. Actually, this is a terrible idea but I still like it. Also, get Nick Swardson to play, I dunno, the son of Humungous, or adolescent Feral Kid. "Shit's WIZZEAK!"
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Thunderdome would still be mediocre.
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Of course that's a much better movie than it's been given credit for. Make sure (like all the Max films) to watch it in it's original aspect ratio though, no other movies I know suffered as terrible from the pan & scan process as the 3 Max films. I always wondered about the script of Max 4 that made Miller (and Gibson) want to make another one after all these years. I know next to nothing about comic book artists but Killakane, an hour ago I typed in Brendan McCarthy's name, witnessed a bunch of drawings from the man's comic books and can say that I'm know officially double-psyched about George Miller's FURY ROAD. I expect that movie to become a major extravaganza and I don't think anybody should worry about it becoming a family-fun movie.
Make sure to watch some drawings from McCarthy, here's a link to the "comic work" page on his website. http://tinyurl.com/2jppmc Also check out the interview with McCarthy in which he gets asked about his work with Miller on FURY ROAD. Here's some quotes from that.." I was a huge Mad Max fan. For a lot of people it was Star Wars, for me it was Road Warrior. To be trusted with this character and to take him where he needs to go – I took it very seriously. The last thing I want to see is a shitty Mad Max film. Thunderdome - the first half wasn’t so bad but it fell apart in the second half with all the kids. This was an attempt to do a serious Mad Max Film. It’s called Mad Max: Fury Road, but it could be called Mad Max: Unforgiven or Mad Max: Apocalypse Now. It’s got that kind of feel to it. It’s a serious piece of work that’s in a genre mode" If you want to read more, here's a link to the full interview. http://tinyurl.com/yqle29 And oh, also take a look at this drawing from the guy. Bring on FURY ROAD.
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You know it. Doesn't matter the script. Doesn't matter what Miller wants. Doesn't matter about "artistic integrity". It's all about what the studio wants. The studio wants to trade on a brand name, but hollow it out for family audiences.
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what the shit? Sure it was George Miller's vision of Mad Max, in fact even more so since he didn't have anything to do with the third except for the train actin, the whole concept and car culture of the first two movies was pure Miller, the third was Byron Kennedy's idea with that crack of the earth/children playground nonsense, so i agree Miller is even more responsible for the great Maxes. Secondly Mad Max is not James Bond like said many times here, there were no books of the character beforehand, the whole character was sculpted and born onscreen, just like Han Solo and Indiana Jones and John McClane, you don't mass with the re-casting in this sense. As for his age he needs to stop his lovable self-deprication in this sense and realize he's not too old. I like Laserbrain's idea of the Wild Bunch analogy of MM4, and it ties in nicely since the first two movies were already post-apocalyptic westerns, and going back to that same mindset is the way to go, knowing Miller is back in the reigns for the first time since Road Warrior, it looks to be some more of it and not the Disney nonsense. And this talk of Beyond Thunderome, i actually defended this movie before i actually saw it. The kid concept wasn't as bad i thought, i'd give it a chance since i wasn't that bothered by Ewoks in ROTJ, but when i actually saw this movie, it was good as something crossed with Dune/Alien from LA (for the msties here)/Willow or some shit and i kept thinking "this is the same storyline of Mad Max and Road Warrior?" That whole Thunderdome battle concept was hilarious on the ropes, heck even the music was this goofy shit. It makes the sounds of the first to Maxes appear like classical compositions in comparison.
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Well, I don't know what script Fox (it's not a Warner film) said yes to.
There must be things in there that have some of the executives from Fox very excited, even with Mel now probably not being a part of it all, which they might even think is a good thing, that wouldn't suprise me. It would be great if someone could find out more about the movie. Perhaps one of the gentlemen who write and do interviews for this site can get in contact with the director ? That would be really nice. -
I think my biggest bug bear with the whole Thunderdome salvation of the ferral kiddies was that it just did'nt play particularly well, lame dialogue, bad acting and too contrived IMHO. I did'nt have a problem with the notion for Max to develop further as a character from MM2 in terms of regaining his humanity etc; but there could have been a number of ways to affect that without bringing in a bunch of kids in designer bearskins doing a 4th rate take on Lord of the Flies.
There could have been more effective plot devices to get him to reconnect with the ghosts of his past. BTW: BANA FOR MAX ;-) -
Here's some more words from FURY ROAD co-writer and storyboard artist Brendan McCarthy who states that in his view, "the 4th installment will be "the true follow-up to Mad Max 2" - To differentiate it from the misstep of Beyond Thunderdome. McCarthy calls Fury Road a "serious, savage, sexy and surreal sequel". He also promises, " a raw, kinetic assault that will take you to that world of manic Mad Max mayhem. You've got a great movie barrelling down the freeway at you in a few years time."
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that sounds badass. i'm glad they're making a real continuation from 2. thunderdome doesn't even have a digit in its title so there's no qualms of writing it out as canon either.
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Didn't the Studios learn anything about doing PG-13 sequels to R-Rated franchises? Watch how much more money the UNRATED Die Hard 4 DVD does, versus the kiddie version that was released in theaters, and you'll see what a mistake it was to water down the sequel.
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I'm not going to see it.
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Nobody knows if it is, at least none of us here, that was just an assumption from some posters. I think people get to worked up on the PG-13 thing by the way. Is Die Hard 4 unrated gonna be so different from the movie version ? I doubt it. If you can't be interested in a movie because it doesn't drop the F word every three seconds (didn't happen in any of the Max films by the way) and doesn't show extensive depictions of excessive bloody carnage, well, if the director really wanted that to be in it, I guess that can be watched when the "Unrated" DVD comes out. I do see how it would upset Rambo fans if Stallone's next masterpiece (..) was gonna be a PG-13 film, but to boycott everything that comes without an R-rating, I don't know. We'll see. None of the Max films were huge blood and gorefests anyway.
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I'm hoping that this incarnation of Fury Road is still based on McCarthy's draft and conceptual designs, he obviously understands what fans of the series want (being a devotee of MM2 himself). Be doubley cool if John Powell scores Fury Road too (as he was originally signed on before the plug was pulled back in 2004).
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Oct 27, 2007 5:11:19 PM CDT
I want to see a return of that Lightning Bolt /Metal Grill Title
by killakane
With todays CGI they could render a really tasty title graphic in the tradition of the first two Max's. Something nice and ominous about those opening credits, Brian May's opening adagio for MM2 is one of my all time fave cues.
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Oct 29, 2007 6:19:06 PM CDT
And the Road Warrior? He lives now only in my memory.
by det. john kimble
This franchise ended at the end of Mad Max 2.
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that ending with him standing on the road in the twilight was so beautiful with that ending line you said, just epic
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