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Because There Weren't Enough Supermen Buzzing About Already!! Has The JUSTICE LEAGUE Movie Found Its Blue Boy??

Merrick here...
Okay, so there's this JUSTICE LEAGUE movie George Miller is putting together for Warners right now. There's been a lot of talk, conjecture, and contention regarding the re-casting of certain superheroes who currently exist in other incarnations. EXAMPLE: SUPERMAN RETURNS' Brandon Routh will not be Superman in JUSTICE LEAGUE...word is he was never considered. Tom Welling will not play Clark Kent/Superman-To-Be like he does on SMALLVILLE. So, who will be Superman in Miller's film? Garth over at Dark Horizons recently got a tip that HELLBOY's Rupert Evans will play The Man of Steel in JUSTICE LEAGUE. Evans hasn't done a ton of film work - in case you don't recall his face, here's a pic:
Wait...that's the wrong Rupert Evans...

This tip came to Garth via a source named Russian Blue; you can see Garth's report on the matter HERE. This matches some information recently received by AICN's Quint, which indicated Evans had, indeed, been cast in an unspecified role - and was "beefing up" for his part. We're told that Evans stepped up to give a very good reading as Superman when auditioning for Bryan Singer's SUPERMAN RETURNS. So, I'm a little hesitant to call this a 100% done deal. But, at the moment, it looks like all roads lead to Rupert Evans being cast as JUSTICE LEAGUE's Superman. No word on who'll play Batman yet, although it won't be Christian Bale.


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  • Oct. 24, 2007, 8:43 a.m. CST


    by ScottLott

    YESSSSSSSSS winner

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 8:44 a.m. CST

    This video is no longer available

    by TheBigDogg

    Oh well...

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 8:46 a.m. CST

    They should cast Sam Jackson as Batman

    by TheBigDogg

    And have him fight snakes.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Sam Rockwell IS Batman!

    by triplefive

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Because Two Different People Playing Superman...

    by 1FearlessJay

    ... at the same time, just aren't enough. I just wish they'd announce this full cast already, and squash all the rumors.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 8:57 a.m. CST

    He looks like a kid...

    by stones_throw

    ...very not good.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 8:57 a.m. CST

    This is fucking stupid.

    by Burgundy82

    I'm sorry. And I know the rest of the country is going to tell us all to get a grip but seriously, this is going to fuck everything up. OK, so "Justice League of America" premieres (yeah right, you know it's going to be shortened to "JLA", "LXG" style) and it's a hit, let's say. Well, let's also say Green Lantern has some scene-stealing lines and becomes a surprise fan favorite. Now Warner wants to break him off into his own flick, starring the same actor. Won't it be weird having that technically be a spin-off while the rest of the heroes have independently-running franchises? I'm sure I'm not the first person to post this theory, but still, I want answers. Or maybe I just want to be hugged and told that everything will be OK.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9 a.m. CST

    While I couldn't give a rat's ass about this movie

    by filmcoyote

    I don't get the point of recasting Batman and Superman when it's the same studio with currently running franchises.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9 a.m. CST

    There's IS a scary rumor about the Batman casting...

    by Nice Marmot

    ... over at Joblo. They're talking about that guy from the Las Vegas show who was also a soldier in Transformers whose name hasn't been worth memorizing possibly playing Batman. Not much worse than this chump playing Superman.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:01 a.m. CST

    I still think this is to soon!

    by boyblue

    To soon after Superman Returns! To soon after Batman Begins!! To Soon after Dark Knight !!! And way to soon after the death of Kal El Vis?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Nice Marmot...

    by haggardatbest

    That would make me kill myself.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Brandon Routh should be afraid

    by Wonderboys

    If this guy (who, by the way, I enjoyed very much in Hellboy), turns out to be a better Superman, Brandon Routh are going to have a rough time... This could never have happen to Chris Reeve, as he was unamously considered the best Superman EVER, but feelings toward Routh has been mixed, although slightly towards the positive side...

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Talkbacker talking sense!

    by boyblue

    Props to Burgandy82 and filmcoyote! You both speak wisley on this fucked up situation! If only Kal EL Vis was still with us?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Decent choice.

    by rev_skarekroe

    But how about some continuity between films for crying out loud.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Jack Black as Green Lantern...

    by Redfive!

    They should just do it.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST

    What's that on wall behind boyblueballs??

    by Kal El Vis

    I believe it's writing? Wonder what it says? Hey, boyblue balls, when you're done eating that steamy bowl of sperm-covered feces, take a closer look. WE all know what it says, but apparently YOU are too stupid to comprehend.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:10 a.m. CST


    by FearOfABlackPlanet

    Belongs in the franchise's not the film. Superman Returns = Brandon Routh, Batman Begins = Christian Bale...So I really dont see the big deal about as long as the superman they pick for this franchise stays the same in each and every movie.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Just keep Christian Bale away from this mess

    by I Dunno

    They have a good thing going with this Batman franchise. One of the ways they can fuck it up is putting Bale's Batman in the same universe as fucking Wonder Woman and Aqua Man. Same goes for that Superman pussy.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST

    by I Dunno

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Kyle Gass as AquaMan...

    by Redfive!

    It should be a done deal by today.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Pauly Shore as Batman....

    by Redfive!

    Please god YES!!!!!!!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Not buying it...

    by Philvis

    This guy is 5'10 and not big at all. I'm sorry, but Superman is one character that is well above average in height and stature. I think this is just more from the misinformation campaign WB seems to be running. From seeing info from more reliable sources that have had their info proven true, I am still going with Welling as being cast for Supes. Sorry, but I am calling shenanigans on this one.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Once again, Miller rules

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    and you haters sure are running out of stuff to actually like.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Carrot Top as The Flash...

    by Redfive!

    Please George do it.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    John C Reily as Sups...

    by Redfive!

    This cast would rule.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Lindsay Lohan as Wonder Woman..

    by Redfive!

    How awesome would that be.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Paddy Considine

    by warm_turtle

    should play Batman!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Not Josh Duhmal

    by Bloo

    I know that Bale's Batman would be strnage in JLA, but he needs to be in it, people aren't going to connect<P>for example, I bought the JLA game for the PS2 and their Batman sucked as Batman (I forget who they got, Ron Peralman or Clancy Brown) on paper it sounded good but the execution was awful because my ears had been trained over the years to hear Kevin Conroy as Batman. After 2 movies people are going to want and expect Bale as their Batman expically if a year or 2 later the 3rd movie in the Bale/Nolan triology comes out<P>What I think this is by WB a way to introduce a new actor as Batman whilst allowing (and maknig money) off the Nolan/Bale Batman trilogy so they can continue to milk the Batman teat.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    a show of hands please

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    the guys who mistrust miller who still live with their parents.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Jon Lovitz as Superman?

    by wowsucks

    Why not I mean with the direction there going what's the difference? Lets see: Matt Damon as wonder woman / John Goodman as the Flash / Jon Lovitz as Superman / George Carlin as Alfred / Val Kilmer “ha” as Batman, etc. etc.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Good actor, got the look, but isnt he short?

    by jojo-pimp

    I cant remeber, but then again, he was next to Ron Perlman in Hellboy...but isnt he really short? they need someone like 6'2 to be Superman.....but at least i like this actor.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST

    It's funny that everything points to...

    by Rakafraker

    ...WB having different actors playing Bats and Supes, but people keep diluting themselves into thinking that Bale or Routh/Welling will be cast. <p>Personally, I think it's a great idea for the different franchises to live in different universes. I think only the very young or the mentally unstable won't be able to realize the difference. No offense if you're in one of the aformentioned catagories.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Why are they making this movie?

    by PotSmokinAlien

    is it to compete with Watchmen? "People you've never heard of cast in superhero roles to keep costs down, only in this movie you've heard of the superheroes before and they are not made up solely for the movie." Is that what's going on here? i don't see why casting a bunch of nobodies as iconic superheroes is getting so much attention here.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Pretty much Paddy Considine

    by Series7

    should play every superhero is what I get from this site.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Honestly, i AM glad they are making this movie..

    by jojo-pimp

    I mean...they successfully pulled off the x-men franchise..and i remember how people on here bitched when they heard the x-men werent going to have blue and yellow suits! I think WB and DC need a film like this, and if done well, could be as good as X-men. I mean, as long as they dont totally F up the badass is it that we may finally see some of these characters on the big screen?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST

    I see no problem...

    by drJames

    with having separate actors. Sometimes you ppl that call yourselves nerds make me worry about the current state of nerd-dom. Any real nerd (aka someone who's read comics) knows that there's a thousand spinoffs of these superheroes, and alot of them are REALLY good and work just wonderfully as they're own little universes. And anyone who ISN'T a nerd...well they're not gonna give a rats ass if the actors are different. They'll care if it looks sweet and sounds awesome.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Everybody knows they should just cast Patrick Warburton as Batma

    by Dingleberry Jones

    that's a no-brainer. The guy is freaking Brock Sampson. I rest my case.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Is "beefing up" a slengh for "growing two feet"?

    by The Chosen

    He's too short!! Cast Welling!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Awww. I wanted the old man to play Superman.

    by mistergreen

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST

    He could also play "Batman"

    by Dingleberry Jones

    I would rather see Bea Arthur as "Batma" and elderly maternal vigilante, hell-bent on cleaning up Gotham City, as well as the kitchen. Fighting crime, until Wheel of Fortune time.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST


    by Philvis

    Rupert Evans is 5'10" tall. That is well below Superman standards in any of the Superman universes. I watch anything, so it's not like I am saying I am boycotting this movie if Welling isn't cast, etc. I just don't buy this rumor at all. Go to IESB or Countingdown and you will see more reliable sources. I one off from some reader at Dark Horizons doesn't convince me of anything.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Another missed oportunity to introduce Welling

    by chien_sale

    They want a young Superman right? They would be stupid to not have Welling do this.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:42 a.m. CST

    * for the last time.... It's DELUDING, not DILUTING

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    People on these boards always seem to get that wrong. Unless people are drinking way too much water or something, they are not "diluted", they are DELUDED, as in "I don't know where you get your delusions, laserbrain."<br><Br>I can overlook the horrid spelling and grammar on message boards, but people, at least use the right words!! </EnglishLesson>

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Straight to DVD

    by jimmy_009

    This is low rent.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Correction from earlier post on the SR2 Talkback!

    by boyblue

    Hi Kal El Vis mourners, sorry to give out wrong information during this dark time but the following statement has been proven wrong: "a post mortem has been completed on Kal El Vis and it appears that he did indeed die a lonely virgin!" Sorry folks, it seems further tests indicate that he had a prolapsed anus! This coupled with a report from the owner of a local gay bar "Sum Yung Guy" who said Kal El Vis was a regular and very very popular patron! Also shooting starts next week on Brett Ratners new film "Death of a talkbacker: the Kal El Vis story"

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:51 a.m. CST

    I always felt like the combination

    by Series7

    Of Superheores was just boring, and too rightious. See it worked with X-men because they started off together, but like puting Superman, B-man, Wo Woman, and the lesser guys. It was always seemed to look how rightious and morally correct we all are when we combine our super powers together. We lose all personality and become boring, and remind kids of the after the show Messages on the G.I. Joe Cartoon. Porkchop Sandwitches!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:55 a.m. CST

    the more i hear about the plot

    by Jor-El23

    the more i'm interested in the movie. and then I hear all the casting rumors. I have nothing against this actor, it's just that he looks better suited to play Superboy, or Kyle Raynor, or even Wally West but not full-grown Superman. C'mon!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Brits playing Superheroes

    by brycebishop

    If there were even a whisper of a Yank playing James Bond, British fanboys would be screaming for blood. I'm not a jingoist, but is it too much to ask for to have Superman played by an American? Plus Rupert Evans' American accent in Hellboy was god awful.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    The first Rupert as "Perry White."

    by Uncapie

    Imagine him saying, "Great Ceaser's Ghost!" Maybe not.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Warner Brothers, are you CRAZY?!


    Why oh why would you not use the same actors to play Superman and Batman in this Justice League movie? All it's going to do is make this JL movie look like a Fantastic Four crapfest. Also, why don't Christian Bale and Brandon Routh INSIST on playing their characters in the JL movie? They shouldn't want another actor competing with them - especially Routh. Audiences could very well go "Rupert Evans is SO much better than Brandon Routh, wish HE played Superman in the Singer films." And BAM, Routh gets himself replaced. Final comment - Evans looks too delicate to be the Man of Steel.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST


    by LUZER

    i hate this young casting for super-heroes trend...and I'm only 22. Especially since everything seems to point to an established JLA. I always liked that old Jim Caviezel Superman rumor if he beefed up a bit.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST

    I hope Bale doesn't go anywhere NEAR this movie

    by amrisharmpit

    And that includes paying money to see it. Singer and Nolan must be pissed at WB for going through with this.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Three supermen is too MUCH!

    by Zappary

    *end ace ventura impression* <BR> I wanna see that old Rupert Evans play Supes. The rest of the League can still be young. Just a really, really old Supes, whose advanced age is never addressed at all. That would be awesome.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:26 a.m. CST

    For Superman? Really?

    by Movietool

    Cripes, is it THAT hard to find a tall, MANLY actor to play Superman? No offense to Rupert, who I agree is a fine actor, but I'm skeptical he has the gravitas to pull of Superman. Kyle Rayner, as someone above suggested . . . now THAT he'd be perfect for. <p>Has Nathan Fillion ever been considered for Supes? He at least is over 6' tall, which should be the first requirement (Evans is 5'10"), and I think he could pull off the boy scout aspect. Put on 20lbs of muscle and I think he'd be perfect. Plus, he's in his Thirties, which is HOW OLD SUPERMAN should be. Super"MAN," you see? Evans JUST TURNED 30 this year.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    The thing I'm most interested in finding out...

    by SilentP how Nolan and Bale feel about this movie. If this movie makes them wanna stop doing Batman films, I'm going to murder someone.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Nathan Fillion

    by Movietool

    On second thought, he'd make a damn fine Captain America, too. Or how about Steven King's Gunslinger? <p>Geez, Firefly was one hell of a show, wasn't it? I can see that guy playing a ton of classic genre characters. <p>John Carter of Mars, anyone?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Scared me for a second.

    by TheMcflyFarm

    You were like, "So who will be Supeman?" and then said "Garth" No way Dana Carvey could pull it off.

  • Don't get me wrong, Smallville sucks, but surely this is ten times more likely to confuse audiences' fragile minds?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST

    "e Wayne in Smallville?"

    by kiddae

    What the hell? I thought it didn't let you type more than can fit?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST

    George Newbern for Superman

    by Jor-El23

    I didn't like him at first voicing Supes in the cartoons but he grew on me. I think he looks the part, even if he's only 5' 10"

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:38 a.m. CST

    One last thing

    by Movietool

    If Miller sets this in the actual DC universe, where superheros are a "normal" part of daily life for people, I think they can succesfully separate themselves form the Nolan and Singer movies. <p>Batman Begins and Superman Returns were set in worlds where their respective main characters (Bats and Supes) are the ONLY superheroes in the world, especially Nolans ultra-grounded take. <p>If Miller sets this movie in a universe where seeing Superman fly by is no more unusual than seeing a fire truck race past, then I think the universes will be distinct.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    This kid looks younger than the Smallville guy.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Don't think this will work.

    by heyscot

    You can't have an ensemble superhero movie and get anyone to invest in the characters in only two hours. What made the best superhero movies the best movies wasn't just the action, it was the character development. It'll be interesting to see how they get the audience to care. Either way, the movie will make gazillions just for the special effects alone, will probably be roundly panned by critics, and have a sequel. But it's also going to compete with Christopher Reeve, Brandon Routh, Michael Keaton, Christian Bale, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. I just can't see an ensemble superhero flick working well (See "Fantastic Four") but then again, the public often likes brainless flicks.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Damnit I Like Tom Welling

    by topaz4206

    He can do it! In a couple of episodes he's shown the range to play Supes, it's just that the writers don't ALLOW him to be Superman on the show. Gah, this is bad news.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    ha-ha Tom Welling ....Range..ha-ha-ha

    by boyblue

    No seriously Just heard Mark Miller has been knocked back check out SHH!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Bitch bitch bitch people...

    by tme2nsb

    There are so many spin offs within the DC Comic universe that include Bats and Supes with different character designs and different plot lines not connected to the main canon, but no bitches about that?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Bale doesn't WANT to be in this...

    by Kid Z

    ... Also Nolan supposedly flipped through the script and angrily tossed it in a trash bin. Word is he thinks it ruins what he worked to hard to accomplish in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight... a real-world Batman.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Not true fans

    by tme2nsb

    Anyone who is going to say bunk on this movie just because they're going to use different actors are not true fans of the DC Universe or JCA. It's like, Batman from DCAU and The Batman - two different designs, not connected to each other, but people don't bitch too much about that (aside from it not being in the DCAU). You call yourself FANS? What a fucking joke.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST


    by tme2nsb

    Secret Origins of JCA for DCAU - two hours, and we got to know the characters just fine. They should just make a live action version of Secret Origins.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST

    This guy is NOT Superman

    by uppercanuck

    Superboy, perhaps. Please, oh please, let him be playing anyone else. I don't want a reason to not give this movie a chance.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Both Routh and Christian know this is a huge mistake!

    by Brian_De_Man

    Why are they making this worthless shitpile of a movie? Both Routh and Christian know this is a huge mistake! Stop making shitty ass sub par movies, you cannot make a Justice League without players that you already are familiar with, and if they won't sign, they all know this movie will bomb faster than Fantastic 4 and Catwoman combined.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    I still have hope for this--

    by Batutta

    Because it's George Miller in the director's chair. The Road Warrior is easily one of the top 5 greatest action films ever made, and he's never made a film that was downright bad. Have faith people.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST

    This is wicked news...Evans looks perfect for the part...

    by wolvenom

    and with a beefed up look... I'm sure he'll look a hundred times better as superman than Routh's cloned Reeves look. Seriously, I can't believe there's those of you who honestly still want Routh as Superman. Bryan Singer's lovefest of Donner's supes has to stop here. God damn Brandon Routh looks like Reeve's illegitimate child.... Since when did all supermans had to look like Reeves?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Since when did it say all Supermans have to look like Reeves?

    by wolvenom

    Someone please explain to me where this golden rule is written down? all you people bitching need to get a grip and stick Singer's superman where it belongs... in the fucking trash bin.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    What a shitty project

    by AlwaysThere

    This will go down in flames.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    you idiots bitching about height know nothing about film...

    by wolvenom

    Have you ever watched a tom cruise movie?! the guy is 5'7 but looks 8 feet tall in every fucking movie. The magic directors can do with camera tricks to make actors look taller is sufficient enough that you won't notice at all that Wonderwoman would have to get on her knees to kiss supes.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    I spent the entire running time of Hellboy

    by mr.brownstone

    wanting to punch this guys simpering face.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST

    I don't like him

    by The Founder

    This looks bad from a casting standpoint. I think they should just stick with Routh or Welling at the least.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST


    by GLfan17

    The whole situation involving the JLA movie is a JOKE regarding GL. John is quite simply a Token black...he is the plug in character when you need a black man on the team. Damn everything that is revolving around the ENTIRE GL universe in the comics. WE HAVE TO HAVE A BLACK MAN IN THE MOVIE!! what are new readers that are drawn to the comics from the movie going to do when they pick up a GL comic and see their GREAT BLACK HERO is nothing but a background character in the comics? Now, if they were making a movie where Hal as parallax was the main villain, they could save face with BOTH sides. start the movie with Both Hal and John as GL's Heck, even make Hal the Space going GL for earth. Then you could keep Hal's origin complete as well as allow John to shine in the movie. this would be a PERFECT way to start a spin off GL movie series. A GL movie could follow the X-men example. Have Hal as the leader ( Scott ) and John as the a$$ kicking dude ( Wolverine ).....It WOULD WORK AND SAVE BOTH CHARACTERS for better use later. If they are truly taking this route, They are simply destroying the LARGER part of their GL fan base. Even the Guy and Kyle fans will be turned off to John having Hal's origin. There are more creative ways to handle the whole GL debacle. Erasing Hal or just not using Hal is NOT the way to go. Were the powers over this movie smarter, they would nurture the GL characters and use them to create the next great space opera. However, let's be honest. Hal just works. IT ALL REVOLVES AROUND HAL!! EVERYTHING came because of him.. you CAN NOT ERASE IT!!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Holy crap, they actually casted someone worse than Routh.

    by Shermdawg


  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    by samurai sark

    check it out and let the criticism fly!

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  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Clark Kent he certainly is....

    by artyfufkin

    He is a dead cert to play a mild-mannered reporter, but can he king-hit seven different kinds of shit out of Darkseid? Of course he fucking can't...he's a softcock.

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  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Here's the problem with Costumes

    by wolvenom

    the x-men costumes worked on film because they were already uniform in the comics; ie everyone in the comics was wearing blue and yellow. So the only thing the filmmakers had to do was transfer that uniform look of 'yellow and blue' unto screen in a less than silly fashion. BOOM! what do we get? instead of yellow and blue you get black! Who would have thought that would work? Because it was still uniform and solely because of that it worked. JLA's costumes are NOT AT ALL UNIFORM. They all have different colour schemes. from GREEN to BLUE AND RED TO ORANGE... and they are iconic characters to boot. HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE SUPERMAN WITHOUT BLUE AND RED yet at the same time how are you going to give all the jla characters their own original iconic costumes without making them all look extremely silly in the same room?... this is the major problem facing this movie...

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Rupert Evans and Josh Duhamel...

    by Bill Clay

    ...World's Finest metrosexuals!

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  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    What's wrong with Routh??

    by damagedinc

    The dude did a great job and Superman Returns was awesome. And everyone here will see this movie because it'll be great to see a superhero movie actually populated with superheros, at least from DC's standpoint. You guys can be so freakin cynical.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, noon CST

    for a minnit there

    by samurai sark

    I thought they meant Rupert Everett. Might as well have Jude Law as batman if that were true.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Is he big enough?

    by phool2056

    I mean, maybe it's just because he was so small next to Ron Perlman in Hellboy, but I always think of this guy as really diminutive. He did give a great performance in Hellboy, but the physicality of Superman is so important. WE SHALL SEE.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST


    by EddieBlake

    Really, it so hard to be okay with multiple actors playing the same roles? Hell, the actors were different in every Batman movie except for Batman and Batman Returns. Get over it! People don't care if the actor is different as long as they do justice to the character and the story and I am pretty sure that Miller will do just that.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    time to ban samurai sark

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    nothing like mass posting to advertise your crappy blog

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    First it was Jim Henson's Star Trek Babies, now JLA Babies?

    by kevred

    Good luck to both projects, and I hope they turn out well and do well.<p>But I'm kind of tired of the WB/MTV-style casting of so many of these movies. It's one thing with Spider-Man, who should be young, but a horde of college-student-looking, sort of genially soft-faced blah actors doesn't interest me too much, and too many of these movies trend this way.<p>Hopefully Hollywood hasn't completely missed the message that it's the actors with character--and yes, a few more years of age--that have made film series like X-Men and Spider-Man really work.<p>Take Perlman out of Hellboy, take Jackman/Stewart/McKellen out of X-Men, heck, take Harrison Ford and everyone older than him out of Star Wars, and what do you have left? Something that only appeals to kids who watch the JLA and Teen Titans cartoons on Cartoon Network.<p>This is probably premature, as there's hardly ever been anyone better than Miller at being gritty, but just a thought.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    This is weird

    by Yeti

    What with Christian Bale as Batman in his own franchise and Brandon Routh with Superman, audiences will get "confused"

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Droopy as Superman?

    by DonnyUnitas

    Perhaps we can get an actor that looks like JabberJaw to play Batman...

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    You don't get it wolvenom...

    by UltimaRex

    Reeve looked like Superman, not the other way around. So by that logic, ANYONE WHO LOOKS LIKE SUPERMAN WILL LOOK LIKE REEVE! Simple, no?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Don't worry about this ruining the other films...

    by jimmy_009

    ...this will drop straight to DVD. Honestly the whole idea of Justice League is hokey as hell. There's no way this will sell to the general public. Not only that, they are going with no names since no known actors or actresses are getting anywhere near it. The whole project stinks and will get dumped straight to video.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    RE: Wolvenom.....

    by jojo-pimp

    as far as having supes without red and blue....very simple...its been done a billion times in the comics! give him the black and silver kryptonian outfit, or the blue electric one he had. I am just saying....they dont all have to look exactly like they do in the comic. Look at all the Batman movies...Batman still doesnt wear ALL black in any of the comics, yet he does in all the films. The only 2 i am worried about looking silly is Aquaman and Wonder Woman

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Oh, right...

    by PotSmokinAlien

    Fantasic Four is why they're making this piece of shit. Not Watchmen. Thanks for clearing that up. <P> in other news: Original Movie With Interesting Premise And Engaging Stars Bombs.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST


    by Philvis

    Im one of the idiots bitching about the height. Sorry, but a 5'10" average build man will not look like Superman without some heavy padding for muscles and 5 inch lifts in his boots. Rupert Evans is not going to be Supes.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Where's Shermdawg with his casting choice?

    by Abin Sur

    I know you like Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson for Supes...I still don't see it. However, I will concede that he'd make a kick-ass Hawkman.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    He looks like a 13-year-old Heath Ledger.

    by El Scorcho


  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    I like this. Variety variety variety.

    by Knuckleduster

    Remember how everyone complained a decade ago that no comic book movies are being made? Well, the more we get of our favourite heroes, the better, because who knows when it will be in vogue again once the inevitable downfall in popularity starts. I like that this is a universe completely seperate from the current Superman and Batman franchises, because we don't want to see Nolan and Bale's brilliant incarnation of Batman mixing with other superfolk. I wouldn't mind seeing a different Batman in the JLA (but not that Transformers guy, thank you). The dynamic between these characters alone will make it worth watching; Superman and Batman's edgy relatioship, Diana and Arthur, Flash and Green Lantern messing about, the sexual tension between Clark and Diana (or Bruce and Diana), the Martian Manhunter feeling like an outsider (and Superman relating to that), and everyone getting a bit uncomfortable whenever ol' Bats walks into the room. Personally, I cannot fuckin wait! Audiences are smart enough to recognise seperate universes when they see them (and when they're done well, it obviously helps). They've seen so many versions of these beloved characters already, and they (we) want more. I say bring it on! Just keep Tom Welling the fuck away. The man's a soap actor and always will be.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    losing all hope

    by liljuniorbrown

    I am BIG Superman fan and I really like what Nolan has done with the Batman movies, but this is killing me. Hire some kid from the OC as Flash, fine,then you call him Barry instead of Wally? Ok....then you hire a midget for the role of Supes, come on, I would have preffered to see Brendon Frasier,or Nathan Fillion in that role any day. This is depressing. Josh Duhmel can't be Batman, that role needs to be played by David Borenaz. I post that statement too much but to me it is painfully obvious. Also what is the plot of this thing and can we get some Supervillan casting? How about news on the Green Arrow Supermax movie? We need cool news.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    watch out, Routh...

    by BizarroJerry

    Just imagine if the new Supes (or even Bats) turns out to be liked by viewers more than the other two? Stupid WB. Still seems like trouble to me.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    The first Rupert Evans is perfect...

    by Bong

    We want "older" JLA dont we?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Timothy Olyphant would make a good Bats...

    by Abin Sur

    Not as good as Kiefer Sutherland though - now Jack Bauer kicking supervillain ass would be too much geek heaven on screen.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST


    by Sad_Lieutenant

    I always imagined Superman to be pube-less. Bull's Eye, Warners!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Slave Wage Actors

    by Live.

    WB execs just might be deluded enough to think they can get away with stuffing the cast with a bunch of nobodies. Does anybody think Jessica Biel passed on this film due to her high artistic standards? No, WB wouldn't cough up the going rate for a B-list star.<br> Which means they're planning for D-list nobodies instead.<br> Tepid milk-faced actors that Leno and Letterman have no interest in booking.<br> All seven of these slave wage actors bunched together on screen is going to look exponentially worse than the usual gamble of one nobody cast a lead. If WB suits think audiences will go for that, their syphilis must be frying their brains.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    True comics fans know about continuity

    by Wormie1

    It's funny that some posters talk about the different versions of the same characters in comics. DC had its Elseworlds stories and has just brought back the Multiverse concept, and Marvel has its separate Ultimate Universe, but any real fan will know that the Superman in the JLA comic is the same Superman that appears in Action Comics and Superman. JLA's Batman is the same Batman as in Detective Comics and Batman. Spidey in New Avengers is the same Spidey as in Amazing Spider-Man. That's the point of these team books. This Justice League movie is about characters who haven't appeared on the big screen before teaming up with well-known characters played by people other than the actors who play them in their solo films - dumb idea, Warners.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Re: Slave Wage Actors

    by Abin Sur

    Live, who exactly were the marquee names in the Lord of the Rings? The biggest names in that movie (at the time it came out) were Elijah Wood and Ian McKellan - not exactly "above the title" names. I'm not worried if they cast all unknowns in this (in fact, I would PREFER that to casting the young flavors of the moment) - what I worry about is quality of the story (which I've not read one negative review of the script), quality of the direction (which I think is in very capable hands) and some ass-kicking special effects (which hopefully Weta will be doing, since they've already started work on the costumes).

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST


    by Knuckleduster

    I hear what you say, but you can't expect a different film franchise to conform to continuity the same way that comics do. The Superman in the cartoon isn't the same one we see in a Donner/Reeve film. And Nolan's Batman isn't Burton's Batman. Let them create a different continuity for this franchise. More for us.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    This settles it then. John Hamm as Batman

    by modlight

    I won't take no for an answer. He is the only other person I want to see take on that mantle now if it isn't going to be Bale. And this dude was the WORRSSTT part of Hellboy. I know he was playing a part, but it was wholly uninteresting and milquetoast.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    The X-Men costumes on film...

    by Reel American Hero

    Wolvenom, have you ever read an X-Men comic post 1966? Which would be the last time they all wore blue and gold. The X-Men costumes have been all individual for years, and it wasn't until after the movie with it's generic black leather, that they switched to that in the comics for a while. I don't see a need for every team superhero movie needing to have all matching outfits. It's based on a comic book, it's okay to go with the bright colors. It's what sells the JLA to fans and kids, this doesn't need to be a realistic movie, so it's okay to have the bright colored iconic individual costumes.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    What's the budget on this?

    by jimmy_009

    Everything about this so far says bomb. I'd be interested to know what the budget is.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:17 p.m. CST

    the dude looks like Supes

    by kafka07

    I think the choice is a good one (if it's a done deal and all).

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST


    by messi

    when you stop being an ignorant cunt, then say something. no range, what the fuck? he's played like 5 different characters on smallville. dumb cunt. go back to your shitty formulaic music.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Slave Wage Actors

    by Live.

    LOTR: Cate Blanchett, Sean Bean, Liv Tyler, Hugo Weaving, John Rhys-Davies, Christopher Lee, Elijah Wood, Sean Astin, Karl Urban. All solid B-list or above actors, familiar to audiences. All on a level with such like Jessica Biel. All commanding salaries far in excess of slave wages. It makes you fearful of what Justice League will try to foist on you, doesn't it? If WB can't scrape up enough to afford even B-list actors, this movie is going Direct-to-DVD.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Speaking of JLA...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...has anyone ever seen the 1979 "Legends of the Superheroes"? I just downloaded and watched a dvd version someone put online of this thing and it was simply mind-bogglingly awful. It was almost worse than the Star Wars Holiday Special and even had Ruth Buzzi in it, not to mention sad old Adam West and Burt Ward reprising their most famous roles. <p> Weirdly, Dr. Savana and Solomon Grundy are in it too. <p> Just astoundingly ghastly in every way imaginable. <p> Needless to say, I highly recommend it. Essential viewing.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    That doesn't look like Superman

    by Abominable Snowcone

    on any planet. Too young, hair too brown instead of black, and it looks like it's already receding, forehead like a drive in movie screen...

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    The Real World's Finest. Best Pic Ever.

    by messi

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Reel American... point of contention

    by modlight

    Being a huge X-men fan when I was younger I loved the Jim Lee run, especially around 275.. Hate to disagree with you there, but this is a nerd site and that cover is way after '66. But as per your point, I agree bright colored, original, iconic costumes are a must for this film. They just need to be done right.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    "John Hamm as Batman"

    by chook chutney

    Wow. This is brilliant. Fact.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Re: Slave Wage Actors

    by Abin Sur

    Live, all those actors/actresses are good, but in my opinion, any number of those stars could have been re-cast and the movie would not have lost a dime at the box office. Like I said, I'm totally against casting young WB stars in this movie, BUT...WB is smart to cast GOOD youngerER (not necessarily YOUNG) actors and actresses that they can lock into these roles for several movies. I think they're wanting to avoid a situation (and rightly so) where they've got to beg an actor (like Tobey in Spidey 3) to come back to the role. ALSO, although I LOATHE making this type of comparison - look at the success of FF and FF2, and those had crap stories and crap directing, and STILL make a shitload of money. THOSE are movies that should have gone straight to DVD. Justice League already has 10 times the pedigree that the FFs had - Tim Story WISHES he could bring coffee to George Miller!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    DUDES! Wake UP!

    by Brians Life

    Guys, Welling is NOT playing Superman. Routh is NOT playing Superman. Oh, and guess what else...Bale is NOT playing Batman. Unbelieveable!?? No, it's not. It makes sense on EVERY fucking level and I'm getting so tired of watching absolute morons blame the WB for fucking up continuity. Are you so resistant to change!?! Are you so scared of something new? Well, than tell me what it is!?! TELL ME!! Am I an apologist, NO...there is a decent change this film will SUUUUUUUUUUCK, but for right now George Miller (who has not made ONE unservicable film) is directing it. Some of you might not realize HOW big that really is. but whatever...i digress. No Welling, No Routh, and No Bale. And that's FINE. This SHOULD be a separate universe. Bale's Batman DOESN'T belong in the Justice League, and besides that Bale is the only one that did a better than average job. So, some of you that must simply be 14, SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:34 p.m. CST


    by Brians Life

    And I meant that. Tim Story does wish he could bring coffee to George Miller. "You went to FILM SCHOOL!"

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Superman's Costume for the Movie

    by Brians Life

    Anyone read LEX LUTHOR: MAN OF STEEL. Great Brian Azarello penned series and in it Superman had a SLIGHTLY tweaked costume. The basic, only his S shield was more an actual SHIELD and he had ribbed separations running around his suit. Looked cool. I just hope they don't put an "S" on his belt. That's the dopiest concept and the reasoning was so dumb...we didn't wanna put one on his back 'cause our CG guys are lazy stoners, so you got an extra one on his belt...HAPPY!?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Pazuzu...u see the JLA telefilm from '97?

    by Brians Life

    THAT is must watch, so, so bad. Miguel Feurrer plays the Weather Wizard and Barry Allen's Flash in an interview says he "likes to go bowlin' alot"

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Straight to Video?

    by Brians Life

    Anyone that thinks this ISN'T going to have a BIG BUDGET and damn good backing, simply doesn't know what they're talking about. In almost every announcement, trade, call...WHATEVER...Warner Bros. is using the world "tentpole" ya'll know what that means?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Slave Wage Actors

    by Live.

    Those LOTR actors weren't merely good, they were FAMILIAR to audiences. All B-list and above. It shows that somebody at that studio cared about the movie the pay up for the right cast. Nobody at WB seems to give a damn about Justice League, if we are to go by rumored cast. It's all bean counters squeezing out the least offensive turd they can get away with.<br> As far as FF goes: Jessica Alba. Fanboys hated her in the role, but they can't claim she is a nobody.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Brian's Life

    by Knuckleduster

    Is that the one where the Flash is kinda fat and the Martian Manhunter looks like he's made from paper mache. You're right, that was awesome!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Brians Life is SMART to say Abin Sur is SMART...

    by Abin Sur

    Can you imagine sitting in the meeting where they chose the director for Fantastic Four and one of the suits spoke up and said "How 'bout the guy that did TAXI with Jimmy Fallon? He did BARBERSHOP too!"

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Thank you Chook, example...

    by modlight

    Bruce Wayne? Um yeah totally.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Josh Duhmal would be the worst Batman option ever

    by TVguy4566

    He would make Val "Hey I'm just phoning it in for a paycheck" Kilmer and George "The sunniest Dark Knight ever" Clooney as good choices as Batman. Duhmal does not have the grit to be the Dark Knight.<br><br> It looks pretty obvious that they are going to go with an under the radar, most likely TV actor. If that is the case, I vote for Adam Baldwin (Chuck, Serenity) or Dominic Purcell (Prison Break, Blade Trinity). Both guys seem to be fit the more battle tested, irratable and cynical Batman that would be the best fit for the Justice League movie.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST


    by Live.

    Ah Messi, that pic? Beautiful. That would bring down the house.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Are we to assume that Supes

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    will finally fight a "real" super villain other than Nucular Dweeb. Or is it all of JLA vs. Lex Luthor.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    If it was really tentpole they would...

    by jimmy_009

    have cast Routh and Bale. THOSE are tentpole films (at least Batman is). This is a cash-in attempt at best, on the level of FF4, which can hardly be called a tentpole franchise. The casting so far supports this.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST

    I say get Mark Steven Johnson.

    by Knuckleduster

    Just look at the great work he's done on Ghost Rider! Boy, I can't wait to see what he does with Preacher!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST

    WB won't pay for a Josh Duhmal

    by Live.

    So you don't have to worry about it. Your next Batman is currently living in a dumpster somewhere.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Re: The wage thing again...

    by Abin Sur

    About LOTR - those actors were all coming in to film a series of movies, all at the same time, with a definite beginning and end. There was NO chance of the studio loving Return of the King so much that they could greenlight a 4th movie (unless it was the Hobbit, but you understand what I mean). Warner Brothers is starting an open-ended franchise; there really could be no end to the number of JL movies that could be made. So you've GOT to get good actors for these roles that you can keep for a long time...and that can necessitate hiring young, unknown actors. Remember, the stars of the movie are the HEROES - Supes, Bats, al. If this was a less mainstream comic being filmed (like The Invisibles or Doom Patrol) you'd need bigger names to anchor your movie, because the ACTOR would have to be the draw at that point.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST

    No matter the quality of this movie

    by TVguy4566

    Even if this movie is brilliant (not saying it isn't), I don't think either Bale or Routh or Welling would want to be part of it. Most actors don't want to be typecast and playing the same character in multiple franchises will only limit their other acting choices going forward. This movie will not affect any of their franchises moving forward. Unless they just want a quick check, it would be the worst thing for their career even if this is the biggest, most well received movie ever.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Knuckleduster.. don't say that name

    by modlight

    Legend has it thats how he keeps getting films. If people say his name three times while holding a comic he gets to ruin that property. Watch, I'm holding "Wildcats" as a test... Mark Steven Johnson, Mark Steven Johnson, Mark Steven Johnson... lets wait and see.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    I am Batman

    by TVguy4566

    Sly is short (like 5'8"), but Ahnruld is 6'2". But I do get your point.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST


    by Knuckleduster

    Sorry, I just don't see it. After Firefly I just can't stop laughing whenever I see Adam Baldwin. Neither he or Purcell come across as very intelligent, which is what Batman is all about.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Size Doesn't Matter

    by Baralatar

    Not anymore...they'll just do the LOTR computer thing to make him look taller...and Eva Mendes for WW, because she has NICE BOOBIES!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST


    by Knuckleduster

    I'll go get my copies of Youngblood. Mark Steven Johnson, Mark Steven Johnson, Mark Steven Johnson...

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Wes Bentley as Batman

    by GAH


  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST


    by Reel American Hero

    Point taken, they have from time to time gone back to the original blue and gold uniforms. I forgot about that storyline where they all wore the same uniforms when they were in space. Think those were like their Danger Room uniforms or something like that. Been a while since I've read the issue.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST


    by Knuckleduster

    Wes Bentley was in Ghost Rider. This could work.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Slave Wage Actors

    by Live.

    Seven nobodies in costume will look like Halloween frat party vid. Mix in some genuine B-list or above talent (which costs $$$), and then you've got a real movieplex offering. WB is just shooting themselves in the head. Worrying about the nth sequel before the first movie comes out is the best way to ensure that no sequels ever get made. Put the best quality in the first one and the rest will naturally follow. Make the first half-baked, in anticipation that it'll be fully realized in sequel 3, and the sequels will never come to pass, as audiences revolt against the first one.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Yeah Knuckles

    by modlight

    It's all coming together. Maybe Nick Cage can play Superman like he so desperately wants. oh and Stormwatch... Mark Steven Johnson, Mark Steven Johnson, Mark Steven Johnson...

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Either of the PRison Break guys

    by Jor-El23

    wouldn't be bad for Batman actually, especially if he's in costume the whole time.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST


    by TVguy4566

    Baldwin's "Jayne" in Serenity/Firefly was supposed to be a little dimwitted. I thought he pulled off intelligence fairly well on his stint on Angel. Purcell pulled off intelligent in John Doe (the TV version of the Bourne Identity). They might be better associated with with characters who might be more brawn over brains, but both have pulled off intelligent characters before. <br><br> I do think both fulfill the qualifications of a Batman that would distruss Superman and be the resident cynic. If they want to show Batman as the version who is a little bit war weary, bitter, and cynical from 15-20 years of fighting the worst elements of crime; I think these guys fit the role better than an actor that can play intelligent. <br><br> Personally, I have been waiting forever to see a Batman who actually comes out of the Frank Miller mold of Batman. Bale is the closest, but I still feel he plays Batman a little straight.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Wes Bentley

    by Live.

    Would be more than acceptable. Pretty darn good actually.<br> Chance WB employs him: 2%<br> Chance WB employs you for Batman: 11% Chance WB employs your Taco Bell server: 90%

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    I would kill...

    by Knuckleduster

    ... my comatose grandmother to see Nic Cage in that Superman costume. Kill, I say.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST


    by Abin Sur

    Seven nobodies that come straight from some WB TV show...yeah, I'd agree totally that it would kill the movie. But I don't think good actors that are unknowns would ever kill a movie (not a movie example, but look at HBO's Band of Brothers as an example of unknowns taking a movie and running with it - Ron Livingston and Donnie Wahlberg notwithstanding). We probably gotta agree to disagree - but at least we've been doing it like adults. Cheers, sir.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Again... John Hamm, Batman

    by modlight

    Get the word out people. Lets start a movement.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST


    by MetalMickey

    John Barrowman from TORCHWOOD as Superman?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST


    by Knuckleduster

    Well, Baldwin has worked with Kubrick, not that that really means anything. But whenever I see Purcell I think of Blade 3 and start crying. He might be okay in costume, but he's no Bruce Wayne. Yeah, I'd love to see a proper Frank Miller Batman on screen, but casting him would be damn tough.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Sorry Knuckle, might need to grab that pillow...

    by modlight

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST


    by MetalMickey

    Wentworth Miller from PRISON BREAK as Batman?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Barrowman's too cheesy.

    by Knuckleduster

    Maybe for Justice League: The Musical!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Miller Dark Knight Batman...

    by modlight

    Ed Harris, nuff said.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST


    by TVguy4566

    Blade:Trinity was just a bad movie. The only one who came out of that movie fairly well was Ryan Reynolds because he never took his character all that seriously. Purcell was good in John Doe and is good in Prison Break. If they are going for a non-star TV actor, they could do a lot worse than Purcell. <br><br> I have been a fan of Adam Baldwin since I saw "My Bodyguard" as a kid (anyone who punches out pretty boy Matt Dillon in a movie gets my vote). So I could be a little biased.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Do AICN ever break their own news anymore?

    by Vamp-AICNchat

    Except for Rambo stuff.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    My Bodyguard

    by Live.

    That was a great movie, man. I always wondered why Adam Baldwin didn't become a bigger star after that. He stole the show.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    That's it!

    by Knuckleduster

    Granma's gonna sleep deep tonight! Modlight, you just made my day. Two of my lifelong fantasies are coming true.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    eh...okay I'll bite.

    by Mike_D

    Thats a decent casting choice I guess.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Capt. Jack as Supes!

    by oisin5199

    That is perfect casting! He has exactly the right look. And it will piss off everyone here because Barrowman's so openly gay. Perfect! If you thought Singer's Supes was gay, here's the real thing! Funny, this is the guy who auditioned for Will in Will and Grace and he was told he was 'too straight.' I actually wish this would happen because I think Barrowman has all the right qualities and some powerful charisma. Hellboyboy could be Superboy but not much else. Sorry, but Routh is a way better fit than this guy. And for some reason, I can see Wes Bentley as Nightwing, but not Batman.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Wentworth Miller

    by oisin5199

    I always thought that if they recast Cyclops, he'd make a great one.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    I wish they would get out of.....

    by ClaudeRains

    I wish that everyone concerned with Superman would get their heads out of this Christopher Reeve's headspace. He was convincing back in the 80's as Superman, but for the movies today?!! Get real, and get it right. Can somebody cast a real man as a super hero for once! Well, except for Wonder Woman.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Chris Eccleston as the Martian Manhunter.

    by Knuckleduster

    And he keeps the accent.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST


    by Kal Reeve

    This guy is an awful choice for America's greatest icon and the World's Greatest Superhero. I can't believe how apathetic most of you are about this.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 3 p.m. CST

    why not Cavill?

    by tallsy

    If they are going to use a Superman Returns reject, I'm surprised they didn't go with Henry Cavill who at least has some buzz from "The Tudors" on Showtime. Also, could people please stop suggesting Canadians like Nathan Fillion for Captain America?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Kal Reeve

    by Knuckleduster

    I can't believe how apathetic most of us are about you.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Sorry sorry

    by Knuckleduster

    Just a little joke. Please don't yell at me.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Give us a sequel to SUPERMAN RETURNS

    by TTMan

    Nobody wants the Justice League. Deliver what you promise, WB, and everyone will be happy.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST


    by TTMan

    Title: Superman Returns Directed by: Bryan Singer Starring: Brandon Routh, Kate Bosworth, Kevin Spacey Rating: (Warning: This review discusses key scenes and plot points from Superman Returns. The first few paragraphs are relatively safe and I've included a marker for where serious spoilers begin. If you want to remain completely unspoiled, read the full review after you've seen the film.) Superman Returns is a film of wild ambition, one that seeks to elevate the typical summer movie blockbuster even as it entertains. In the same way that Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster changed the nature of comic books almost 70 years ago when they created the granddaddy of all superheroes, director Bryan Singer is out to shake up the status quo of comic-book movies, many of which are designed to emphasize spectacle over anything else. Films like X-Men: The Last Stand, Sin City and, to a lesser extent, Fantastic 4, function best as brainless CGI-enhanced eye candy. Even the best comic book movies--which for me would be Hellboy, the first 90 minutes of Batman Begins and the Spider-Man pictures--are relatively straightforward in scope, telling great action/adventure stories with hints at deeper themes. As for Singer's own X-Men films, they do try to underline the action with social commentary, but I find most of that commentary so awkwardly executed that it winds up weighing down the films themselves. So I'm not kidding when I compare Superman Returns to Ang Lee's admittedly flawed interpretation of Hulk as well as Tim Burton's Batman Returns, movies that also sought to reinvent the genre's conventions, elevating the typical good vs. evil story to the stuff of grand tragedy. (V for Vendetta could be lumped in here as well, although that graphic novel and its film counterpart are very different creatures from most mainstream comic book efforts.) The fatal flaw in Lee's film was that he chose a rather limited superhero to explore his larger themes, particularly the father/son conflict that wound up taking center stage in the movie. Even when he's being written well, the Incredible Hulk functions best as a super-powered stand-in for Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. (Batman Returns mainly suffers from Burton's general disinterest in designing and executing a memorable action sequence--let's face it, all great comic-book movies have to have at least one kick-ass fight scene.) In contrast, there's a lot of ways one can approach Superman, from emphasizing his role as a divine savior to wrestling with his identity as the last son of a dead race. Writers such as Alan Moore, Jeph Loeb and Kurt Busiek have wrestled with all of these ideas and more on the page, but Singer is the first filmmaker to try to realize those themes onscreen. Made in the late '70s and early '80s, at a time when the world was short on heroes (at least, that's what certain social historians would have us believe) the original Superman movies emphasized the character's decency and unflappable sense of justice. His personal desires almost always took a backseat and the one time he did put himself first--that scene in Superman II when he willingly gave up his powers--he soon discovered the error of his ways. (Of course, he was following his own desires at the end of the first Superman when he turned the Earth backwards in order to save Lois Lane and nothing bad came of that, but let's pretend that whole thing never happened--even director Richard Donner laughs off that nonsensical plot point.) The Superman we meet in Superman Returns is far more uncertain about his place on his adopted planet; all he really wants is to be with Lois, but like it or not, the rest of the world needs him as well. Golden Age purists and action-hungry moviegoers might find themselves gagging at the thought of an angst-ridden Superman (I certainly did when I first heard about Singer's plans for the movie) but having seen the film, I feel that this is by-and-large the right approach to take for his 21st century film incarnation. While Christopher Reeve's Superman remains the definitive interpretation of the Golden and Silver Age versions of the hero, Singer's depiction of Superman fits with the way the character has been handled for the past 20-odd years of comic book continuity. [Light Spoilers Begin Here] So what the heck is so ambitious about this movie, I hear you asking? Well, the sheer scope of it for starters. Singer positions Superman as a global hero--he may hang his hat in Metropolis, but his "job" takes him all over the world. This is established early on in the film with a shot of Superman hovering above the Earth, using his super-hearing to listen for where he's needed most. This image, which is a direct reference to the work of famous comic-book illustrator Alex Ross, also emphasizes the character's god-like status to the citizens below. Singer reinforces this idea throughout the film, often shooting the hero from the perspective of the people he's rescuing. Another great shot finds Superman zooming above a Metropolis street while we watch his blurred figure from the ground, along with the rest of the pedestrians. There's a sense of comfort in looking up at the sky and seeing an all-powerful superhero passing overhead and we can see that reflected on the faces of the passers-by. This is contrasted by a magnificent shot later in the film, where a weakened Superman plunges to Earth from the heavens as the world looks on horrified. At that point, their hero ceases to be a god and instead becomes a man who is also in need of rescue. I like that Singer found ways to express these ideas visually rather than through dialogue. As I mentioned earlier, one of my main beefs with the X-Men films is the clunky way they try to comment on larger issues, generally by having the characters talk far too pointedly about how difficult it is to be a mutant. Superman Returns manages to avoid this trap and marks a new step in Singer's ongoing evolution as a filmmaker. Superman's dual role as a man and as a god is central to the movie's plot. While the rest of the world views him as their savior, he has his own earthly desires, specifically his love for Lois. The wrinkle that Singer and screenwriters Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris have dreamed up is that Lois doesn't feel the same way...or at least she won't allow herself to. She's still smarting over his five-year absence, during which time she found a new boyfriend, Richard (James Marsden, late of the X-Men series), and, apparently, had a child with him, a young moppet named Jason. I'm not a huge fan of introducing children into a universe just to shake up the status quo, but this character wasn't as cringe inducing as he might have been (kudos to Singer & Co. for not giving him too many cutesy-kid lines). More importantly, his presence does present a significant obstacle to Superman's hoped-for reunion with Lois. Another lover is one thing, but with a kid in the mix, the Big Blue Boy Scout can't exactly swoop in and carry her away. Even by the end of the movie, when we learn more about Jason's parentage, it doesn't make the chances of a reunion any easier. I had doubts about the way Singer intended to handle the Superman/Lois relationship, but he's done a very good job drawing on their characters' legacy while also pushing them in a different direction. One of my favorite scenes in Superman Returns is the encounter between Superman and Lois on the rooftop of the Daily Planet. This is the first extensive conversation they've had together since he returned to Earth and Singer plays it as a variation on the famous balcony scene from the first Superman. Superman still comes on as dashing and debonair, but Lois isn't falling for it this time. She's genuinely angry and hurt by his decision to leave and she's not ready to leap back into his arms at the sound of his voice. So he tries the other tactic that worked the first time, a nighttime flight over Metropolis (thankfully sans any of that "can you read my mind" garbage). At first, the scene plays out as it did in the original movie, with Lois and Superman soaring gracefully through the air, reveling in the freedom of flight. But then they pass by the house where she lives with Richard and Jason and the reality of her life comes back to her. By the time they land back on the roof, the distance between them has returned. Instead of ending on a note of blossoming love, it feels like the end of something that once was, but can't be again?at least not right now. [Heavy Spoilers Begin Here] This is also the moment where Superman begins to understand that Lois has become her own person with her own life. It's a crucial realization that leads into one of my other favorite moments in the movie: Lois and Jason are being held hostage by Lex Luthor and both Richard, himself a skilled pilot, and Superman are en route to rescue her. Just as Superman clears the Metropolis shoreline, he turns around to see an earthquake, caused by Luthor's evil plan (more on that later), sweeping its way through his city. In that instant, he has to decide whether Lois matters more than any of Metropolis' citizens. And even if the answer is "yes, she does" there's another man who loves her just as much who is also capable of saving her. So Superman does the only thing a hero can do--he turns around and heads back to Metropolis, where he's really needed. The final break between them comes when Superman is stabbed with a shard of Kryptonite, beaten by Luthor's thugs and left to drown at the bottom of the ocean. This time it's Lois who comes to his rescue, diving into the water and hauling him up into Richard's seaplane. With this reversal of roles, Lois proves once and for all that she's no longer the helpless girl reporter always in need of saving. When the former lovers see each other one final time, just before the film ends, both of them are on equal footing. Clearly there's a strong link between them, but he's no longer pining for her alone and she's no longer resentful. I should use this opportunity to apologize to Kate Bosworth for being so vocal in my belief that she couldn't pull off this role. This might be seen as blasphemy in some circles, but I prefer her interpretation of the character to her predecessor, Margot Kidder. Bosworth effectively captures all sides of Lois, the journalist, the woman and, in this case, the mother. I still wish she were older, if only to make the movie's timeline make more sense. (Did she give birth to Jason when she was 17?) Her youth also works against her in some of the Daily Planet scenes, where she's shown arguing with the top editor Perry White (played here by Frank Langella). We're supposed to be watching an argument between two professionals, but instead it resembles a young journalism student being talked down to by her professor. Still, she nails every one of her scenes with Superman and those are the most important parts of the movie. Compare the arc of their relationship to any other comic book film and I guarantee you won't find an unrequited romance as interesting or as subtly played as the one featured here. All that said, Superman Returns is plagued by some significant flaws that keep threatening to hold the film down just as its about to take flight. Take the first 45 minutes of the movie, which contain a number of scenes that feel both clumsily written and oddly abbreviated. The very first post-credits scene, for example, finds Lex Luthor sitting by his dying geriatric bride, egging her on to sign a new copy of her will, while the rest of her family pounds on the door outside. Shot like an outtake from a 1930s Universal horror film, complete with bursts of lightning and gloomy cinematography, this sequence gets the movie off to an odd start and feels out of place with what follows. We then move onto Superman's return, with the exhausted hero crash-landing outside the Kent homestead in Smallville. Perhaps trying to avoid comparison with the TV show of the same name, Singer rushes through the scenes on the farm; Clark wakes up in his old bed, chats with his mom and enjoys a brief flashback to his childhood before shoving off for Metropolis. This material should have been beefed up--it seems like a waste to cast an iconic actress like Eva Marie Saint as Ma Kent and then not give her any meaty scenes to play. More time on the farm also would have given us more time to get to know Clark as an ordinary person before he dons the tights again. In addition, I have a hard time believing that Clark's first stop after Smallville would be Metropolis rather than his Fortress of Solitude. After all, the reason he went off into space in the first place was to search for the remains of his home world. Now that he's back, wouldn't he want to check in with his Kryptonian daddy, Jor-El? Having him stop off at the Fortress before Metropolis would enhance the idea that Clark is a (super)man adrift. He's come back, but he doesn't know if he's willing or able to continue being a hero. Meanwhile, Clark's not-so-triumphant return to the Daily Planet is basically one long chunk of exposition. We meet the new Jimmy Olsen (annoyingly played by Sam Huntington), catch a glimpse of Perry White, learn the 411 on Lois and realize that nobody really missed Clark all the much. It's not until Clark is finally forced into action as Superman that the movie springs to life. Richard Donner's film took its sweet time getting to the first appearance of the Man of Steel as well, but the early scenes in his film do have their charms. Superman Returns, on the other hand, struggles to establish the right rhythm and tone, suggesting perhaps that Singer should have allowed the title character to return sooner. My biggest complaint about the movie though, is reserved for Lex Luthor. Coming into Superman Returns, Singer had a chance to fix one of the key things that was wrong with Donner's Superman, namely the portrayal of the hero's arch-nemesis as a quixotic hoodlum who likes to surround himself with bumbling henchmen (and one henchwoman, played here with nails-on-a-chalkboard mannerisms by Parker Posey). When I re-reviewed the original film last month, I did say that Hackman's performance was fun to watch, but he's far cry from the Luthor that has endured for 50-odd years in the comic books. Stepping into Hackman's shoes, Kevin Spacey adds a welcome layer of menace to the role. This Lex still cracks wise, but he carries a burning hatred for Superman that's almost frightening at times. As written, however, movie Luthor still lacks the intelligence, not to mention the danger of comic book Luthor. When Superman and Luthor come face-to-face, you should see be able to see them as mirror images of each other. But that feeling is noticeably absent from their brief confrontation in Superman Returns. Then there is the matter of Lex's master plan, one of the most poorly conceived plots for world domination I've ever seen in a comic book movie. His scheme revolves around the Kryptonian crystals housed in Superman's now-abandoned fortress, which apparently can be used to create new land masses (never mind that this was never established in the first movie). So Lex decides to cause worldwide havoc by dumping the crystals in the ocean, therefore creating new continents and killing millions of people through the resulting floods and earthquakes. He also seems to think that he'll be able to terraform these continents for human habitation, even though the environment doesn't seem particularly suitable for building anything. Oh yeah, and he makes sure to lace the crystals with Kryptonite so that Superman is weakened the minute he tries to land. While it's true that this plan echoes Luthor's scheme in the original film (where he planned to fire two nuclear missiles at the San Andres fault, splitting California in half so he could remake the state in his own image) it still strikes me as a profoundly shortsighted plot. Quite honestly, I would have preferred it had he just built a killer robot or something. The only way I can accept this as a good plan is if it was really all just an elaborate way to beat the crap out of Superman. The scene where he and his goons tear into a weakened Man of Steel is one of the few highlights of his storyline, although The Passion of the Christ parallels grow a bit too obvious the longer the beating continues. After soundly defeating poor ol' Supes and tossing him into the sea, what does Lex do? He sits around on his new continent while his henchmen play cards. Then when a re-energized Superman flies back for a final confrontation, he leaps into a helicopter and flies away. The last we see of him, he and his henchmen are stranded on a tiny desert island in the middle of nowhere. Talk about anti-climactic--one hopes that the comic book Luthor is lurking somewhere off-camera in his Kryptonite suit ready to kick the ass of his screen counterpart for being such a tool. If there's one piece of advice I would give Singer for the sequel, it's to find a worthwhile foe for Superman to match brains and brawn with. I guess it's appropriate to conclude this long-winded review of Superman Returns with the Man of Steel himself, played here by screen newbie Brandon Routh. I should preface my critique of Routh by saying that I think Singer was absolutely correct to cast an unknown in this part. The role is iconic enough--you don't need a famous face bringing more baggage to the movie. And I think Routh ultimately does a decent job taking over from the definitive Superman, Christopher Reeve. Aside from looking the part, he also handles the more dramatic moments fairly well and makes a credible action hero. The main thing he lacks, however, is Reeve's easy authority. When Reeve first appeared as Superman, it was like the comic-book character stepped off the page and onto the screen. Routh's initial entrance in tights isn't as impressive and it took me awhile to accept him as this legendary hero. Part of that is by design, since this Superman is less comfortable in his own skin than Reeve's version. Even so, I felt there was something missing from Routh's portrayal?a certain larger-than-life presence or natural charisma. It's an intangible thing and, based on the majority of the reviews, I'm one of the few people that feels this way. Most critics have accepted Routh with open arms and I don't necessarily think they're wrong. Routh isn't Reeve and to his credit he does try to make the character his own. He's very good in all of his scenes with Bosworth and is very funny as the bumbling Clark. In fact, the movie could have used more scenes with Routh out of costume--it's a little hard to believe that he's able to maintain such a high-profile job at the Daily Planet since he never seems to do any actual work. Ultimately, Routh's contribution to the mythos is depicting Superman and Clark as one and the same. All of the preceding on-screen Superman (including Reeve, George Reeves and even Dean Cain) have tended to play them as separate personalities that happen to share one body. Whether he is clad in tights or a suit, Routh's Superman is always dealing with the same problems, fears and desires. In a way--and I know I'm not the first person to point this out--this makes him the most human Superman to date and shapes Superman Returns into one of the most interesting, if not the most successful, comic book adaptations ever produced. With Superman back and Singer at the helm, the sky is the limit for the next adventure.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    S R rocks

    by TTMan

    As we all know, Superman is the Zeus in the pantheon of comic-book superheroes: the first of our pulp culture's do-gooder man-gods, the longest lasting (68 years), the most fanatically followed (think of Seinfeld's obsession) and the one with the most complex mythology. MOVIE REVIEW SUPERMAN RETURNS DIRECTOR: Bryan Singer CAST: Brandon Routh, Kate Bosworth, Kevin Spacey RUNNING TIME: 154 minutes RATING: PG-13 for some intense action violence GRADE: A- LINKS/TRAILERS · Official site PHOTO GALLERY View all photos Superman also is a premise that has worked in virtually all media: comic books, comic strips, animation, the radio (where much of his back story was developed), four television series over 50 years and a big-budget movie cycle in the '70s and '80s. He also works in "Superman Returns," an immensely satisfying revival and continuation of that Warner Bros. movie series, which comes to us after a lag of 19 years with a new Superman (Brandon Routh) and some $180 million worth of digital effects. It's not quite a runaway success, the casting is hit-and-miss and there's nothing hugely innovative in the story line or the effects. In an era full of superhero movies, it's not likely to have anything close to the impact of the '79 version with Christopher Reeve. But the film is magnificently mounted, it moves like a speeding bullet and it's so respectful of Superman traditions that even the pickiest of die-hard fans should love it. After a lapse of two decades, it revitalizes the franchise and makes it seem fresh and alive. The story has Superman returning to Earth after a five-year sojourn in which he's been exploring a fragment of his home planet Krypton that has been floating around the universe since its destruction. (Exactly why it took him five years to do this is not explained.) He crash-lands on the Kent family farm, has a tearful reunion with his widowed mother (Eva Marie Saint) and returns to Metropolis, where he finds Lois Lane (Kate Bosworth) has a small child and a Pulitzer Prize for an article on "Why the World Doesn't Need Superman." The Man of Steel also finds that his nemesis, Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey), has gotten out of jail, uncovered the Fortress of Solitude and is using the secrets stored there to fuel another of his ambitious, genocidal real-estate deals. As Superman sets out to stop him, the ghost that hangs over the movie is the late Christopher Reeve, whose looks, dash and deadpan humor made him the definitive Superman and whose grit in the wake of his tragic accident made him a symbol of never-give-up courage. It's a tough act to follow and Routh doesn't quite do it. Still, he's likable, he has charisma, he looks like a cross between Reeve and Tom Cruise, he mimics Reeve's charm well in several scenes and he's about the best we could expect in an impossible situation. The same cannot be said for much of the rest of the casting, including Frank Langella, Parker Posey, James Marsden -- all surprisingly lackluster -- and Kate Bosworth, whose somber Lois has none of the spunky appeal Margot Kidder brought to the role. Effects junkies also may reasonably complain that, for all its mega-budget, the visuals of the first CGI-enhanced Superman do not exactly boggle the senses, advance the art form or seem that much more impressive that the non-digital work in "Superman" I and II. But, while hardly groundbreaking, the visual effect of a man convincingly soaring through the air still imparts quite a thrill, and director Bryan Singer skillfully uses it to carry the movie and anchor several exhilarating action sequences. And some of the film's weaker casting choices are made up for by Kevin Spacey, whose Lex Luthor strikes just the right chord of cheeky demented genius and gives the film an agreeable touch of comedy and anarchy. It's his best movie performance since "American Beauty." Above all, the film works off the dedication of writer-director Singer ("X-Men" I and II), whose love of Superman tradition and the Superman movies is legendary, and who turned down the third "X-Men" for the chance to direct this film. Instead of trying to reinvent or modernize Superman, Singer has struggled to retain the things we love about him, taking him into the 21st century but retaining his '30s newspaper world, where the Internet has no presence and eager cub reporters still wear bow ties. Singer finds just the right tone to tell his story, winking at some of the absurdities of the premise (no one notices Superman and Clark Kent look alike) but otherwise taking it seriously, and avoiding the tongue-in-cheek self-awareness that ruined "Superman" III and IV. His film is, at its core, a kind of museum of Superman: reusing the irresistible John Williams score, re-creating the original film's title sequence, loading it with cameo appearances of "Superman" movie and TV veterans, and obscure references to the mythos. At the same time, the film has a life and pull of its own that comes from Singer's unique vision and desire to revitalize the character and make him relevant. It's a nice blend, and it gives "Superman Returns" a spark that few action blockbusters of its class can match.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    S U P E R M A N R E T U R N S

    by TTMan

    hen my brothers and I were hyperactive little kids who wouldn't go to bed, my dad would put John Williams's “Prelude and Main Title March” from Superman: The Movie on the record player and we would race each other around the finished basement until we collapsed, dizzy and exhilarated. When Bryan Singer's long-in-development rethinking of Superman began deep in space to the vibrant tones of Marlon Brando, and the horns of that prelude swell, something forgotten and childish reared up and swallowed me in that dizzy joy. Simply put, Superman Returns is as elementally old-fashioned and splendid as any fan could hope. I won't proclaim to be a Superman loyalist. I've never read any of the comics and I've never seen the fourth Christopher Reeve Superman film. (I kind of wish I'd never seen the third, but that's another story.) But for a brief crush on Dean Cain in my misguided youth, I haven't followed Smallville or any of the character's latter-day incarnations. And unlike my mind-set going into Singer's 2000 X-Men, I had practically no expectations for the Man of Steel's return, so it was surprising and pleasant to watch a movie re-create something I'd half-forgotten; the familiar and the new blend together to create a pastiche of nostalgia and awakening. Singer's Superman, embodied by the quite Reevian Brandon Routh, does indeed return to Earth and to Metropolis, after a five-year sojourn to the ashes of his home planet, Krypton, to find that Lois Lane (Kate Bosworth) has shacked up with Daily Planet editor Perry White's square-jawed nephew, and has a rugrat as well as a Pulitzer for a piece titled “Why the World Doesn't Need Superman.” Unsurprisingly, he also still finds that no one cares about poor dorky Clark Kent except for goggle-eyed Jimmy Olsen. (In a manner reminiscent of Christian Bale's Batman, Routh employs a higher-pitched Clark voice to contrast with his deeper, heroic Superman voice.) As Clark struggles to hold Lois's eye and Superman glides arrogantly back into her life, Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor, deliciously villainous and exactingly evil, is plotting an otherworldly land-grab that will, wait for it . . . destroy Superman! The story, by Singer and his X-Men collaborators Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris, is refreshingly straightforward. It's the kind of tale that doesn't rely on backtracking to find the double-cross or someone pulling off his face to reveal that actually, the Pope did it. Routh and Bosworth have a sweet and simple chemistry that's at its most poignant during a nighttime flight over Metropolis, even if Lois isn't the most convincing heroine (pouting and making idiotic blunders like wandering onto the villain's yacht might be a superhero-movie female lead's tradition, but that doesn't mean it's not annoying). In a story this solidly retro and unironic, a healthy dash of snark might have lightened up some of the more canonical and unbelievable moments. Singer's X-Men films had the outsider Wolverine to comment on the action and remind viewers not to take this all too seriously; Superman lacks any sort of equalizing force. Maybe the movie doesn't need it, though—Singer's film takes period indicators spanning 60 years, like Lois's '40s fashions side-by-side with camera-phones and what look like 64-bit PCs, to create a setting that defies categorization. The whole effect is much like watching The Lord of the Rings: an entire world, created for the simple purpose of telling a story that at once feels huge and intimate. This Superman is like nothing you've ever seen before, but it tickles something primitive and comforting at the back of the mind. Gorgeously detailed and meticulously realized, it's a homecoming of a movie. Just wait for the theme; you'll understand. —Sara Brady It's a bird! It's a plane! It's more Superman goodies at PHOTOS, TRAILERS, FEATURE, TIMELINE PREVIEW, AND MORE.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST


    by Knuckleduster

    I am not reading that. It hurts my eyes.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Re:Superman Returns rules

    by Reel American Hero

    I admit I kind of liked Returns, but that review however, I could not read it. Should be some kind of rule around here about no long talkbacks until some paragraph breaks are put into place. Could have been a good review, but just looking at the big mass of text gave me a headache.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 3:13 p.m. CST

    not bad

    by zooch

    He's a good actor. Now for the love of god do not screw up Batman!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Kal Reeve

    by Live.

    People aren't more upset because we know Rupert Evans is just bullshit floated by WB to soften us up to the real announced Superman. They're hoping that we'll be so grateful it's not Evans that we'll accept whatever piece of turd they do shove into the suit. And they would be very, very wrong in that. - PREPARE TO UNLEASE HELL - <p> It's coming you WB fuckards, oh yeah, it's coming.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    If I was Nolan and/or Bale, I'd be pissed

    by I Dunno

    At this shit. Finally, DC has a profitable franchise and the coked up suits predictably fuck it up. But they can't sabotage it through the movies themselves, they have to create this JLA shit to do the job. Do Hollywood executives have some kind of fear of success?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST


    by boyblue

    Sorry but Smallville sucks, Welling cant act for shit!! What more do you want me to say, I could start calling you names but to be honest I cant be bothered! Justice league could be a good film, I just dont want to see it fuck up Singers Man of Steel!! We dont need another half baked Justice League, thats what the new season of Smallville is here for!! End of story!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Brians Life

    by Philvis

    Routh and Bale are definitely out. That is well known. It is not known if Welling is out yet. There are other sites with stronger sources of information that are still saying he is in, so until the cast is announced, I am not counting him out. Too many people getting defensive on all ends about this when the only known factors are that Routh and Bale and Biel are not in. This Rupert Evans tip is either mistaken for another character or just more misinformation from the WB. He is not Supes.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST

    JLA is a stupid idea.

    by Tai_Pan

    And so is pissing off Routh and Bale by making a movei with competing stars in the leads they've made popular. I don't think Routh could act his way out of a wet paper bag, but I feel sorry for him and Bale that the studio is doing this to them. That's fucking rude. Not only that, but the JLA was always pretty gay. We all know it. There's no real depth to it. It's not a good format for loosely connected superheroes. The Fantastic Four has trouble creating chemistry on film and their a FAMILY for pete's sake. I hope they prove me wrong, but I don't think they will.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 3:58 p.m. CST

    manrepus si sirrab kcuhc

    by dr.bulber

    ffuts erom.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Routh vs Evans

    by GoFukyerSelf

    I'm Fucking pissed off! Because so many stupid fanboys bitched and moaned about "little" Routh, who is 6'3 and 220 lbs (ie quite large), they went and cast someone who is much much larger.... oh wait, NO they didn't.. they cast Rupert "I'm 5'10 and 164 lbs when soaking wet" Evans.. What the fuck! Routh kicked ass as Superman, even if his clark left a little to be desired. As for Duhamel as Bats... well, he has the look, but I haven't been impressed with anything I've seen him in yet.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST


    by GoFukyerSelf

    Check out this related story on chud.. they have an excellent pic of mr Evans being "all muscley"

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    whoops... link

    by GoFukyerSelf

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    TTMan and origin stories

    by oisin5199

    I did read the first review, and I have to say I agree with it almost 100% - both the things he praises and the things he criticizes, especially that Luthor and his scheme were the weakest parts. Singer certainly shined with his approach to main themes, visuals and the main relationship, but I do long to see all that good stuff put into a better story with a better villain. JLA on the other hand - I just can't see it working. But I do have to give them props for trying something new with the genre - something more in tune with comics and cartoons. It could just go wrong so easily. There's a reason why origin stories are a convention in superhero films. We have to actually get to know the person before they become the superhero and see him or her dealing with that change, so we can actually care about what happens to them. To jump right in with all these strange costumed folk and ask us to understand and care is a tall order. The situation they're in will have to be utterly engaging and challenging to the characters and they better find a way to work in vital information without clunky exposition, otherwise this will be a disaster.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    that chud article's hilarious

    by oisin5199

    and right on. "boy ain't fit to play Plastic Man"!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST

    boyblue, I agree

    by modlight

    I have tried time and again to get into Smallville, from the pilot to all the stunts they've done to make it bigger with the JLA in it. It is a snoozefest. Its the Stargate of superhero stories. Good enough to keep some entertained, but far from good.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    6'3 and 220 lbs (ie quite large)?

    by Kal El Vis

    Somebody is a midget... Get over BJ Routh, he'll FOREVER be known as the George Lazenby of Superman lore. A SHITTY George Lazenby at that.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Rosie O'donnel as Wonder Woman

    by rsswope

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Kal El Vis

    by GoFukyerSelf

    I really don't understand the hate for Routh... he was very much in the tradition of Senior Reeve. Routh needs Man of Steel to up the action and give everyone what was lacking in Returns.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST


    by GoFukyerSelf

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    I smell poo...

    by Mr Chuff

    I'll stick to the Nolan Batman thank you. This seems like it will die on its ass...sorry folks.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Bale doesn't want to do JLA but Routh does!

    by thevision

    Christ, am I the only one who saw the MTV interview with Christian Bale saying he DOESN'T WANT TO BE IN JLA BECAUSE ITS NOT PART ON CHRIS NOLAN'S UNIVERSE?! And am I the only person who saw Routh's interview with IESB where he says he's itching to play Superman again and would love to be in JLA! Call me nuts, but I would love continuity on the big screen and having Bale and Routh would be the best case scenario, unfortunately Bale is not going to do it even if he was offered so let John Hamm be Batman. Batman wears a mask so it won't be that strange for another actor to be Bats BUT Superman doesn't wear a fucking mask and goddammit Routh actually wants to be in the movie!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    The only problem with Routh

    by TheNothing

    was his director. He'd be a fine Superman, I'm sure, if allowed to actually act like Superman instead of Christopher Reeve. <p>As for this JLA nonsense going on, I also find it interesting that a budget has not been mentioned. At least, if it has then I missed it. To do a movie like this right, to have the scale of action and set pieces match the comic, the budget would have to be pretty hefty. But something tells me we may get a Watchtower made of Legos.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST


    by Kal El Vis

    My "problem" with BJ Routh is him being in Singerman Repugnant. Could he have been a decent Superman, had he actually PLAYED Superman? Possibly. But he had his chance, and instead tried to "mimic" Christopher Reeve, badly, and wore that DISGUSTING costume. Since there will NOT be a sequel, my statement of him being the George Lazenby of Big-screen Supermen will come to pass. Watch and see.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 5:04 p.m. CST

    cool, Rupert Everett is a great choice

    by kafka07

    I hope they get Val Kilmer back as the BattyMan

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 5:04 p.m. CST

    cool, Rupert Everett is a great choice

    by kafka07

    and I hope they get Val Kilmer back as the BattyMan

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST

    freakin double posting

    by kafka07


  • Oct. 24, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Kal El Vis..

    by PezQ

    ...i hope you understand that it wasn't Routh choise to "mimic" Reeve, i think that choice was made by Singer himself, and im pretty sure that Routh didn't design his suite for the movie himself. You do realise that actors aren't in charge of costumes design and direction?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Routh is superdaddy.

    by Pipple

    This guy was pretty good in hellboy... I'm intrigued.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Keaton for Batman please

    by Pipple

    then I can die happy. fuck anyone who disagrees.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Chris Reeve endorsed Tom Welling

    by darquelyte

    Good enough for me. Should be good enough for WB.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    if someone else has said this already, sorry

    by jsm1978

    but I think they're missing a golden opportunity. WB owns DC, so they have access to all the characters and can actually make it a unified universe. They can have all these characters existing and interacting and doing their own thing as well. Marvel's characters were scattered all over hollywood, so they couldn't have any connection and storylines that involved other heros (Spidey's black suit for instance - taking to FF in comics, Doc Conners in movies) have to be changed. DC could make everything a cohesive whole that works and exists together. Instead they're purposefully working to keep everything self contained. I think it's a mistake.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Routh is no Lazenby

    by thevision

    Routh by all accounts was professional and friendly to the crew, it was not his choice to play Reeve, it was Bryan Singers. George Lazenby got a big ego and started to act like he was the next big thing, was influenced by some Irish DJ who told him Bond was pase' and to leave the franchise. Brandon Routh worked as Superman despite Bryan Singer's obsession with Donner's vision.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Dear Filmmakers.

    by Vonfolger

    There is something in the world called money. According to Wikipedia (AKA the website that gets you through college) Money serves as a standard of value for measuring the relative worth of different goods and services and as a store of value. <br><br> Do you folks at DC not want MONEY? Because if you could take a deep breath and work together you would have the capacity to create one of the most amazing films ever crafted. A film, that is crafted correctly would make more money than Jessica Alba on a street corner. <br><br> What do I mean? Want me to clarify? <br> Sure, I have no problem with that. I don't care who owns the rights to what, or why you can't show Bruce Wayne on smallville. Work it out. Cast Brandon Routh and Christian Bale as Superman and Batman. Give your project some damn validity. <br> Hire the best writing, directing and producing teams on the PLANET to do this movie. I'm talking Larry and Andy Wachowski, Zack Snyder, Spielberg, (pre-spidman 3) Raimi. <br><br> Do not cast this movie quickly.. work out your differences and do what is right. Spend the extra time and money and create something that withstands the test of time. Give us something special and not something that is strictly a tool to fatten your wallets. If you do it right and take your time, you will earn MUCH more money than any previous super hero franchise. <br>

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 5:38 p.m. CST

    If you want box office

    by FearOfABlackPlanet

    You know who to call...Michael Fucking Bay!!!!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Michael Rooker for Batman

    by kuryakin

    No suit, no cape - just a short, stout stick and a big pair of boots

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST

    W h y t h e s e q u e l t o S U P E R M A N

    by TTMan

    Just how credible will WB look if they forgo a sequel to SUPERMAN RETURNS after promising one last year? Or if they decide to reboot after going on the record about how they wanted Singer and Routh (and Spacey and Bosworth) on subesequent films? I know there are a lot of whiny idiots here who don't like SUPERMAN RETURNS, but their opinion is not in the majority, as the film still grossed a big bucket of money and is doing well in DVD sales. The film will not be overhauled based on a few negative internet opinions by bitchy geeks whose only means of expression are posting anonymously on the internet. The Superman franchise is too good to simply dump, and it would look too flaky to get rid of the director and star just because some people didn't like it.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    I think people that

    by FearOfABlackPlanet

    like Superman Returns is in the minority...People who liked Transformers are in the majority...

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Vonfolger...I'm with you...

    by Cheif Brody

    Well...It's so puzzling that Gough and Millar have been trying to get Bruce Wayne to show up on Smallville since Season 2...but DC refuses to let the Bat cross into the Smallville world...but this JLA thing is fine?...even though it screws up your individual Supes and Bat franchises continuity? Retarded mess is what it is.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Very good observation jsm1978

    by Live.

    WB had an opportunity that Marvel and none of the other studios had. They could have done something genuinely beyond all the rest. Instead we get self-limiting pocket universes. The astounding incompetence of WB strikes again. <br> Although, they're excused from not having one-off Robo-Routh in it, they should have dropped a ton of money on Bale. Offered him golden toilet bowls and first born daughters. Or cancel Smallville and push Welling out there. Or postpone the JL until after launching WW and let her headline the thing.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    To Fearofablackplanet

    by TTMan

    Well, what's the perspective here? FANTASTIC FOUR made less money than SUPERMAN RETURNS, yet it was considered a blockbuster hit. THE PHANTOM MENACE is one of the biggest moneymakers of all time, yet it got critically bashed and audience reception has been lukewarm, it seems. BATMAN BEGINS made less than BATMAN, but opinions seem to consider it to the superior movie. I understand that if SR made less than $25 million, it would be considered a bomb, but what is the magic number? Is it compared to cost? If SR cost $90 million to make and made $200 million would people consider it a tremendous hit?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    The DC universe is BIG. JL, of all films, needs to show it.

    by Live.

    Hastily casting any nobody they can sucker into it, and disconnecting from any other franchise, makes the DC universe very small. Peter Jackson needs to be running this thing.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    I liked Superman Returns.

    by Burgundy82

    I'm coming out.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Asking for sense and logic in Hollywood...

    by metaluna

    ... is like asking for a flame grilled whopper down at McDonalds - you're not gonna get it. This film will suck like every other stupid superhero movie in the past since... oh I dunno... um... forget it. (BR was boring, Spidey was a great big boring effects reel and Supes was, well as someone put it aptly, just a bunch of heavy lifting). Just what would the compelling narrative be here? An origin story? Nope, all been done elsewhere. An anti hero story like 'Heroes'? Nope. How much do you want to bet that this piece of crap'll be on a par with a superhero gang lets build a barn put on a show straight to DVD kinda movie? No decent writer worth their salt would touch this stinker of an idea but yet Hollywood will do it because it makes no sense but they believe a bunch of fan boys will go see it so hell, let's blow a ton of money on it. Of course they listened to you lot on 'Snakes on a Plane' and look where that got them. Ain't gonna happen, Von. Wishful thinking.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 6:18 p.m. CST


    by Live.

    IT'S A BIRD, IT'S A PLANE, IT'S... AGENT MYERS?<p> 10.24.07<p> By Jeremy Smith<p> Contributing sources: Dark Horizons<p> The frantic spectacle that is the casting of George Miller's Justice League of America is beginning to resemble a hobo on a shopping spree at a 99-cent store. Forced to lower their sights after B-lister Jessica Biel spurned their Wonder Woman offer (she's too busy trying to be the next Julia Roberts without the $100 million successes), the production is now flirting with every kinda-hot, sorta-known young actor currently unattached to a major feature. And since everyone's been booking work straight into next June in anticipation of a multi-union strike for months now, it's quite possible Miller and company will be settling for second or third choices out of this already compromised casting pool.<p> This is how, if Dark Horizons has it right, you end up with Rupert Evans as Superman.<p> The most loathed aspect of Guillermo del Toro's first Hellboy - he didn't bother me, but when a guy's acting opposite a hulking red beast with sanded-down horns, I have a very high tolerance for bland - can't be anyone's ideal Superman. That he's British is sure to rile the jingoists who believe the Man of Steel is the sole property of American thespians (as opposed to Djangoists, who believe all our worldly possessions are the sole property of Franco Nero), but I have a bigger problem: he's 5'10" and might lose in a fistfight with D.J. Qualls.<p> If this is the direction in which Miller's headed (and this could be 100-percent wrong!), I'd recommend that he go drag Jose Canseco off the Hold 'Em tables at the Bicycle Casino in Bell Gardens, and get young Mr. Myers on a ramped-up 'roid schedule. 'Cuz, as of right now, boy ain't fit to play Plastic Man.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST

    I've only seen this kid in Hellboy, so I don't...

    by rbatty024

    really have much of an opinion. Making all the superheroes very young probably isn't the best way to go. Superman and Batman should play the veterans and everyone else newcomers.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Batman has to be the BAD ASS of the group

    by zooch

    Cast someone who can play one.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Dumb question from the back of the room

    by The_Fredo

    Is ANYONE out there really remotely interested in this? <BR> <BR> WB is going to try and shoehorn 7 superheroes into 1 movie when their track record reads: 1 good Batman movie (with 2 coming on the way), 2 decent Superman movies (Supes 1 falls after Luthor arrives) and a load of shite for the rest. <BR> <BR> Considering that Wonder Woman's best adaptation was a 70s TV show. That the Flash was a bad TV show from the 90s. And that no one has stepped up to do a decent Green Lantern film. I have to ask again: <BR> <BR> Beyond simple curiosity, is anyone interested in this?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Well interesting, be neat to see the audition

    by Drath

    because if he can play Superman, or even convince anyone he can, after playing basically the Noah Wyle from ER role in Hellboy, then that's pretty cool acting. I mean Agent Meyers was anything but Man of Steel, maybe Clark Kent, but not Kal-El. This does bring up for me at least what a chore this is going to be getting audiences and fans to accept yet another version of Superman and Batman. They really do not want to recreate the recasting fatigue that I think we all felt when Batman went from Keaton to Kilmer to Clooney. Now Superman will have been through Welling, Routhe, and now a third--to say nothing of the frequent reminders of Reeve or the barely memorable turn of Dean Cain (not to give him a hard time, but that one didn't leave a very lasting impression on me). It just gets tiresome, and I'm sorry they couldn't keep it all organized.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Kal El Vis and boyblue

    by QuietMan297

    ...I get the sense that you guys don't like each other

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Will Farrell IS Batman!!!

    by QuietMan297

    ...with John C. Reilly as Supes, Jack Black as Hal Jordan/Green Lantern, HOW can it go wrong?!?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    no problem with this guy being cast

    by heyscot

    I'm sure this guy will do well as Superman, but it's just that the cast of characters won't work for the script. Watchmen is different because they're not icons that most people associate anything with. But everyone has an opinion about Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, etc.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST


    by FearOfABlackPlanet

    Superman returns cost about 300mil to make and made about 175mil in box office(minus dvd sales) any I'm pretty sure warner bros. thought it was a failure. By the way I think Batman > Batman Begins, which I consider to be very overrated. Transformers cost about 160mil to make and grossed 325mil which made it a whopping success. Anyway you slice it A Superman movie should do MUCH BETTER NUMBERS than SR did. And like I've stated previously on this sight I THINK(Not fact of course) that the majority of young people today find him to be a lame superhero.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    this movie will only be good if

    by Pipple

    they make the fx completely believable. we are so tired of seeing cgi and knowing it's cgi, George Lucas.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 8:29 p.m. CST

    This is another gripe

    by FearOfABlackPlanet

    I have with people on this site...Whats up with this hatred of CGI?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Oh and don't use Superman returns as

    by Pipple

    an indication of how kids today view superman. Whenever you take any superhero and turn him into a crybaby, compare him to jesus every single frame, and of course toss a kid in his lap... It'd have to be projected onto the moon to be less obvious why someone thinks that's lame.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Bad cgi makes these movies today look too cheap

    by Pipple

    In the good old days, somebody had to be clever enough to come up with a practical method of making epic shit but now some nerd on his mac does it... lame.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST

    just imagine if kubrick's films were full of jar jar

    by Pipple


  • Oct. 24, 2007, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Most of you will hate this movie because...

    by Bob Cryptonight soon as you see a bunch of actors standing around together in those costumes, you will realize how silly superhero comics really are- and how when you READ the comics your mind makes certain allowances for the stupidity of it all. I can't wait to see The Flash and Wonder Woman having a serious conversation about something while dressed in their costumes. It should be a real fun(ny) time at the movies!

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Bob Cryptonight

    by Julius Dithers

    You hit it right on the nose.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:24 p.m. CST

    I'm Superman!...I'm Superman!.... I'm Sup..

    by Campion

    Listen, either have a Superman/Batman movie or have a Justice League film without either.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST

    The Guardian: "Superman in search of new writers"

    by Cyberfury

    "The sequel to Superman Returns is having a little trouble getting off the ground, after the screenwriters who penned the 2006 update said they would not return to the job." see:

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:01 p.m. CST

    They're Gonna Screw The Pooch On This One

    by Teddy Artery

    WB is getting to ambitious... then again, they may just get the project started to beat the writer's strike and drag it out for several years.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Warner Brothers=hacks

    by justy4life

    Man oh Man, I hate the Corporate hussy's at Warner Brothers. If they took the time to read the mere comic book, they would see that Superman is not some skinny little she-man with eye shadow and all feminine. In the comic books he's more of a beefed up guy with a large jaw. I think "Super..MAN" should be a man. When I think of Superman I think of Gerard Butler, Hugh Jackman, Thomas Jane. Guys that actually have large jaws, and arent featured on the OC. If they cast these young little brats, I'm going to protest. Though, I don't see the logic in them not going with Welling or Routh, both are established. If they want the younger, skinny males, then why not go with the individuals who have portrayed the characters? Superman Returns messed up in trying to make the movie some Romantic lovefest. I think Bryan Singer acted out his homosexual fantasy's in making Superman his own dolled up toy. I want a gritty Superman. Something along the lines of "The Death of Superman" comics. If they want to change up Superman, at least give him long hair and the black suit. For Batman. I could live with seeing Keaton in the role again. Come on now Fanboys, we all were going ape shit over Batman 1989 for many of years, proclaiming that to be one of the best comic book movies ever. Then came Spiderman, Batman Begins. Tim Burton took a giant crap on the comics, but he did deliver his own weird version of Batman. Kilmers to fat to play the Dark Knight. Obviously, I think the actors I named for Superman, could also pull off the Dark Knight. Batman needs to be like Christian Bale, he was in plenty enough shape for the role and actually could act. I dont want to see Bale in Justice League, because I'm afraid it will mess with Nolans universe.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Oooo,,, They just killed this film.

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Getting the nebbish from Hellboy to play Superman, the greatest superhero ever? The guy's 5'10" and painfully "average." He'd make a great Peter Parker, but SUPERMAN???<p>Should've just made a feature-length animated film, like Mask of the Phantasm, and spared everyone this grief.

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:20 p.m. CST

    To what TGHL said

    by justy4life

    I agree with you. He doesn't look like Superman, he looks like a depressed little man. Maybe let him be Tom Cruises stunt double in Mission Impossible 4, their about the same size. Casting him as Superman is like casting Karl Urban as Bones. Wait..

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST


    by FearOfABlackPlanet

    While I am wrong in saying that Kids today don't like superman(I haven't every kid in north america) I can go by what the people I associate with think about him(21-29yr olds, I'm 25) and that is that he is a lame superhero, If it wasn't for the fact kryptonite was available in any k-mart across the lower united states it seems) he would be unbeatable and I dont think thats what people equivilate to heroism. People have flaws, and problems.(and not the if my identity is discovered no one would be safe variety) And I would imagine that people can link themselves to other "superheroes" more so than superman. And he's just no cool. he's like a kid claiming everything."I want the power to fly". "Well if you want to fly, I'm going to be able to fly and be superstrong" etc...

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:47 p.m. CST

    No, Superman rocks!

    by DrManhattansUnit

    Because he actually does face bad odds frequently and still doesn't back down. But for god's sake he needs to be over 6 foot at minimum. Even Smallville is the right build for it, though he's saddled with a script that makes him less likeable than the villain. But Superman should look young. He's practically indestructible: how would he ever age?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Selma Blair IS Wonder Woman!!!

    by QuietMan297

    Bring on Doug Jones as the Flash (he's damn skinny) and Jeffrey Tambour as the Martian Manhunter!!! It'll be a Hellboy supporting cast reunion for JLA...How CAN this go wrong?!?

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    by justy4life

    check out the comic book Kingdom Come. It features an older Justice League and older Superman

  • Oct. 24, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    3 different versions of Superman at the same time

    by thevision

    WB must be nuts, if they decide to go with another actor to play Superman in JLA-from all accounts, probably what they are going to do- we will have 3 different versions of the same character: Welling in "Smallville," Routh in the Superman franchise and God knows who in JLA! Back in the mid-nineties or so, Kevin McClory was all set to start a separate James Bond franchise at Sony but EON sued to prevent that and won. Imagine if McClory won and Sony introduced a different Bond at the same time EON was trying to establish Pierce Brosnan! That's what WB is doing with Superman and have no rival studio doing it- they're doing it to themselves.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Bulk up, Rupert. Heavy weights, low reps.

    by JDanielP

    I'm feeling a bit 60/40 on Rupert Evans, as in 60% not quite feeling it. But there's something...that he seemed to bring to the table in "HELLBOY", if memory serves. And if he did well in the SUPERMAN RETURNS reading, I'm willing to give the man a chance. I would have been quite happy had Routh gotten the role. I mean, in the hands of a truly capable director (like James Cameron), Routh could do better. Anyhow, I'm still pulling for Kate Winslet for Wonder Woman and Henry Simmons for Green Lantern. Elevate this production, I say!

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 12:19 a.m. CST

    this guy blows

    by tehgreekhammer

    Cast either Welling or Routh and get on with it. That photoshop of Welling in Rouths costume gave me goosebumps. you know... down there...

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Method Man for Batman!!!

    by Queerbait

    and Redman for Superman!!! Smokin good time!!!

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Kate Winslet for WONDER WOMAN, Henry Simmons for GREEN LANTERN

    by JDanielP

    Josh Duhamel for Batman? I'd say that sounds very interesting. Again I say, "Elevate this production!"

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 12:41 a.m. CST

    FUCK SPIDERMAN!!! He's the real cry baby...

    by super Cucaracha

    Did you forget Spiderman 3? That motherfucker was crying on almost every scene while his mask was falling every three seconds. If any, Spiderman is a rip off of Superman. Both working for the news, both have shitty luck with women, both struggling with being a super hero, both nerds when not using tights... What are the odds?!!! and guess what? Superman came out before Dick Parker and that makes Marvel a bunch of fucking biters! Besides, the only people that I've notice to hate SR are a bunch of Marvel faithful mofos.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 12:46 a.m. CST


    by super Cucaracha

    so gives a flying fuck if Singer had Brandon act like Reeves. SHIT! why not act like Reeves? At this point he needed to because the whole world remembers Mr. Reeves as Supes so Brandon had to continue the legacy with same manerisms. SO FUCK OFF whiny beeeatches!

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 1:02 a.m. CST

    The pathetic Kal El Vis at it again

    by Lance2769

    I think most talk backers on here are tired of hearing your personal insults and constant whining whenever someone mentions anything negative about Tom Welling and "Smallville." Are you on your meds bro? Sometimes you go on these stupid little rants that just don't make sense. The things you write are just juvenile. We all obviosly know you hated 'Superman Returns' and Bryan Singer at that, but the way you go about expressing yourself on here makes you look like the biggest dumb ass. You come up with stupid immature tags like "Singerman" and "BJ Routh" that it makes me wonder if you're just trying to use a reverse psychological method to hide your true intentions of sucking dick through a straw. Go back into hiding in your little dungeons and dragons world and step back and let the big boys on here comment or debate the JLA topics. You're still in denial about any possible sequel to Singer's first Superman movie and you will forever throw your girly hissy fits as long as any Superman movie doesn't cast your boy crush, Tom Welling. Save us the grief and go back to watching your "Smallville" reruns.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Oj simpson as the martian manhunter

    by Mr_X

    he hasnt done anything since the naked gun!!!!!!. iagine the kudos for the stunt casting!!!!!!!!!!! seriouly.. the projeect is shambolic. feeling none of the buzz or anticiopation that im getting from something like iron man

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Amen Brother Lance

    by super Cucaracha

    Although I was in rage in my previous comments, I agree with you in so many levels. Some of these people just go into some stupid rants and I let them get the best of me. I still say " fuck'em " though.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 1:16 a.m. CST

    As far as this movie goes...

    by super Cucaracha

    WB is making a huge mistake not casting Bale and Routh for their respective roles. I think they're just insulting our intelligence. At least have one of these guys be in it.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Thanks Super Roach

    by Lance2769

    It's okay to get a little argumentive or upset, especially when talking about subject matter that many of us feel passionate about, but to immediatley go into personal attacks such as the duo of Kal El Vis and Messi (who many here are suspecting are either gay lovers or the same individual), is outright juvenile. Most of us on here are leaving random thoughts and opinions not directed at any other talkbackers, but these two knuckleheads always find a way to feel "violated" by our comments and feel the urge to respond with worthless, unwarranted rhetoric and personal attacks . It goes to show what being cooped up with mommy and daddy for most of their adult life does to their maturity levels.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 2:53 a.m. CST


    by boyblue

    Your right I dont like Kal El Vis and the reason why is perfectly summed up by Lance2769! Kal El Vis is an angry 12 year old Smallville fan! I will admit to humouring him with my news flash style posts, but that was only after normal levels of communication with him failed! I loved Superman Returns and I aint afraid to say it, lots of people liked it, lots of people dont, but thats life!! If you say you dont like it and can provide a reason that doesnt include the Words "Gay" or "Shit Eating" or some made up words like "Singertology" and "BJ Routh", then fair enough! But to rant on like a whiny tween is just plain annoying! I would also like to ad I would be excited about a JLA film, except not right now, im 100% invested in Nolans Batman films and 110% invested in Singers Superman Films! And I dont want anything to muddy the waters around their release, its bad enough having Smallville drag the whole property down!!

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Kal El Vis must own your asses

    by Live.

    What the fuck, is this your therapy session? This is the fucking JL talkback. Take your sniveling elsewhere cuz nobody cares about your ass whippings.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Miller taking on 3 movies at once = total clusterfuck

    by Live.<p>After several false starts, one major budget blowout and a thrillion chuckles, George Miller’s “Mad Max 4 : Fury Road” is finally juiced and ready to go. Its production quarters re-opened at Fox Studios in Sydney this week.<p> One of Moviehole’s longest - not as in length (well not that we know of) but in terms of how good he has been to us over the years (setting up set visits.. basically giving us access to things we normally couldn’t have gotten) – friends called today from the lot to let us know that “Fury Road” has finally got a greenlight, with pre-production commencing immediately.<p> It sounds as if Miller will be working on this film, and “Justice League” concurrently – the latter is also set up at Fox Studios – as well as…. “Happy Feet 2”. <p> Yep, work has also begun – albeit slowly – on a sequel to Milller’s uber-successful penguin flick but since the first one took four years to make don’t look for this one in theatres anytime soon.<p> Our colleague has discovered that ‘’Kennedy Miller is dancing with VFX and animation houses for both Mad Max 4 and Happy Feet 2. As far as I know the plan is to do all the animation for Happy Feet 2 in Australia, but not necessarily at Animal Logic (who did the first one). I'd guess that Mad Max 4 will be shot in Namibia as per the original plans (blown out by the Iraq invasion). In terms of release time - it took 4 years to make the original Happy Feet.”<p> He even speculates that ‘’Mad Max 4 : Fury Road’’ will be released before “Justice League”… but that’s a guess based on how fast the former seems to be moving forward (and no, he doesn’t have any information on “Justice League”). Of course, they have to find a new 'Mad Max' first - with Miller telling Moviehole recently that he won't be using Mel Gibson again, but a younger face. <p> This is 100% solid information…. The same tipster was the one that broke the news initially that “Mad Max 4” had shut down…. so start practicing those bike moves peoples, George Miller might just be calling on you shortly. <br> Thanks ‘Sir Summer’

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 3:46 a.m. CST

    No Mel: No Max

    by Shady Drifter

    First to be shocked

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 3:56 a.m. CST

    Ah well, that was perhaps a bit much to hope for

    by Barl

    But it is still freaking awesome to finally get a Superhero team-up flick. I renember sitting at spiderman 3 and getting all giddy about the Spidey/Green Goblin II team-up, because i thought that was the closest we would ever get to a Superteam on the silver screen, with all the license crap and all. But know i have been proven wrong and halleuja for that :-) Now what is the status on the Avengers film?

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 4 a.m. CST

    Add "Live" to the list of Whiny tweens!

    by boyblue

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Pfft. if they cant get superman or batman to play superman or ba

    by Reelheed

    JLA only really works as it builds on the continuity ffs. At least try to get dean cain and val kilmer. OK maybe not. This shit is going to be appalling. Straight to dvd.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 4:06 a.m. CST

    boyblue Teacher doesn't care

    by Live.

    So you can quit running to her and sniveling about your hurt feelings. When your balls drop and you graduate middle school, then you'll be a man, my son. Or at least not a whiny bitch.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Mad Max without Mad Max (Mel Gibson)

    by Live.

    What's the point of it? Will they rename it Mad Max's Second Cousin? Son of Mad Max?<br> Are they afraid Mel's new crazy reputation will drive off audiences? Hell, it's more likely to make them show up.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Live, I rest my case!

    by boyblue

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 4:30 a.m. CST

    nobody cares boyblue

    by Live.

    not even your mom.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 4:33 a.m. CST

    sorry boyblue

    by Live.

    Now I'm having second thoughts, because you do sound genuinely young. I'm not sure you can emotionally handle this board, and I'm sorry for contributing to your emotional upsets. Peace?

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 4:38 a.m. CST

    C'mon give it a chance

    by ChadMaul

    I have posted on the subject of the JLA movie before and remain upbeat about the possibility of this movie/franchise. Why are so many of you so precious about the big screen adaptations of these characters and Stories? We have had multiple Superman & Batman universes, whether it is comics, animation or individual movies. Does the fact that WB has realised they can prolong the screen careers of these properties, by utilising this comic book function of reinvention to keep them fresh a bad thing? Granted that does not mean every time they reinvent they get it right, but at least we have these projects in production. I think Bale/Nolan and Routh/Singer have set the bar for what we expect from DC properties and hopefully, WB and George Miller will at least be mindful of this and aim higher. I do not know if this has been hypothesized this yet, but no Bale and Routh leaves the door open for a Superman vs. Batman movie. Personally, if that project ever goes ahead it needs to be Bale’s Batman and Routh’s Superman in the context of the universe established by Nolan/Singer. As for the casting, you should not be hung up on height. 300 has shown us how visual effects can manipulate some ones height to great effect. Rupert Evans seems a good choice to me. Not sure about Josh Duhamel for Bats though.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 4:52 a.m. CST

    RIP World's Finest flick

    by Live.

    By the time World's Finest rolls around, Henry Cavill will have rebooted the franchise, Bale will have graduated from comic book properties, and Justice League will have taken the shine off of seeing both suits on the same screen. Lost opportunity all the way around. World's Finest will be very un-special at that point.<p> Bale is committed to Nolan and Nolan's vision of Batman. That is why he is not in JL and why he won't stick around as Batman after the trilogy. He seems to want to do inde stuff or Oscar-caliber stuff. That's not happening in spin off Batman movies.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 4:56 a.m. CST


    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    plus 400mil worldwide a good 42.5 mil in rentals (damn good) and good dvd sales equals profit. SUPERMAN RETUNRS=KICKED ASS.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 4:57 a.m. CST

    A much BETTER pic of RUPERT EVANS!

    by xoandre In the pic at the link above, he looks an awful lot like a (slightly) older Tom Welling... Well, maybe maybe not....

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 5 a.m. CST

    routh was great too...

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    but give him some more lines next time. i dont care about jimmy olsen even if he was cast played prefectly.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 5 a.m. CST

    i meant....

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    even if he was cast perfectly. DUH

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Casting Cockup

    by Live.

    I suspect Josh Duhamel was up for Maxwell Lord and Bijou Phillips was trying out for Talia. The villain role is were superhero flicks cast their A-lister. If Josh Duhamel is WB's A-lister, then god help this movie.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 5:03 a.m. CST

    The only thing I don't like about this project

    by Varakor

    and no one has addressed it thus far(and if they did I apologize i didn't read it in any of the talk backs) is the concept that something Batman does sparks this whole fiasco. If the script reviews that are popping up online are correct, Batman creates a devices that gives him all the knowledge, strengths and weakness of the members of the JLA, which then falls into the wrong hands? That's bull! I don't support this because Batman has pretty much kept that knowldge to himself and not stored it on some database. Yes he knows that those with superpowers and are considered heroes can likely turn (he calls superhumans freaks) but to say he keeps this knowledge in a satellite or whatever is wrong for the character. Even if he kept this info on a disk he would never leave it out so that just anyone with hacking skills can try to access it and steal this info for themselves. Here is a guy that knows Superman's secret Identity and knows his weakness, hell he even keeps a Kryptonite bullet just in case Supes goes ballistic or is in need of a serious ass kicking. The knowledge of those with super powers has always been personal with Bats. (He's a detective) and the fact that he knows this shit is what makes him one of the strongest characters (sans superpowers) in the JLA. He keeps to himself and he keeps that knowledge within himself. I hope that this idea for this film (if it is true) is truly not the case and that by the time it's released it will have changed substantially, making it so that someone else has that knowledge not Batman. Until then color me skeptic on the whole ordeal. I trust they will get a decent cast for this, hey they can shape and mould them until they fit the parts but it's the story I am more worried about.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 5:08 a.m. CST

    Ok Live!!

    by boyblue

    Why on one hand moan like a bitch then go on to post something half decent further down the talkback?? Christ you call me young!! Im 25 for fucks sake and can contribute to a talkback without having resort to throwing my teddies out of the pram! JLA would be a good film if it wasnt being developed to be a huge cash cow that is going to milked every couple of years for next decade!! Lets hope this will go the way of Van Helsing, that film was made in very much the same manner as JLA, being prepped for sequels, prequels, spinoffs and a Tv Series! What happened to just making a good film???

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 5:10 a.m. CST

    xoandre - Dear God, that picture is awful

    by Live.

    Thankfully Rupert Evans has as much a chance of being Superman as DJ Qualls. But it does make one wonder what kind of a sad sack WB does have lined up, if they feel they must soften us up this way.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 5:12 a.m. CST


    by boyblue

    Great TB handle, and you have my full support on Superman Returns! Lets hope Singers Sequel is just as good!

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 5:15 a.m. CST

    sorry boyblue, you sounded very young and emotional

    by Live.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 5:20 a.m. CST

    thanks boyblue

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    and lets hope singer stays to direct and not be replaced by some fuckin hack (ratner, story, you know, the usual asses.)

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 5:25 a.m. CST

    For Young and Emotional, read a Kal El Vis post!

    by boyblue

    I like to talk film and on the odd occasion bring the funny!! Now back to the task at hand, It seems this film is happening no matter what so, Id say cast Fred Ward as Batman and some one equally as old for Superman!!

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 5:26 a.m. CST

    Varakor - the plot is ripped straight out of the comics

    by Live.

    I'm not worried since the new script leak. But the rumored cast sounds like a shit sandwich. WB is being penny wise and pound foolish. They just need to PAY THE FUCK UP and get a respectable cast. Watching them nickel and dime these icons to death is an enraging spectacle.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 5:33 a.m. CST

    No Problem aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    by boyblue

    As much as I want a Superman sequel by Singer, I think with this JLA shitstorm he should finish Valkyrie then follow that up with the Major of Castro street then go straight into Man of Steel once JLA has been and gone!!

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 5:37 a.m. CST

    Live, yes you hit the nail on the head!!

    by boyblue

    They are casting young and cheap and are expecting a lot of mileage out of this thing! They should be casting older and spending some cash on proper Actors. It's just plain retarded that they are willing rush this thing through production in order to make a quick buck!

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 5:39 a.m. CST


    by Varakor

    You know which comic that's it, I gotta check this out. Sounds like it will be an interesting read

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 5:39 a.m. CST

    DREAM CAST for JLA (odd Picks)

    by xoandre

    Alright, the following list has a few known and unknown names. I have 2 celebs for each character. The first is if they cast them YOUNG, the second is if they cast them BROKEN IN and QUALITY... Superman: Tom Welling, Brandon Routh Batman: Jake Gyllenhaal, Johnny Depp Wonder Woman: Daniela Kosan, Aishwarya Rai Green Lantern: Tyrese Gibson, Taye Diggs Martian Manhunter: Jason Scott Lee, Miguel Ferrer Flash: Jesse Metcalf, Matt Damon Aquaman: Jensen Ackles, Matthew McConaughey Lois Lane: Natalie Portman, Evangeline Lilly I know this type of thing has been done to death, but this is just a quick listing of ideas. I would never even expect any possibility of the remote chance of any of these names to ever have been or in the future ever be linked to any of these roles or characters....

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 5:44 a.m. CST

    re: Dream Cast...

    by xoandre

    I am not about to try to place someone else in the SUPES role due to the fact that they should choose either one of those actors just to bring an established person who has played (more or less) that character before...

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 5:45 a.m. CST

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    the candle is almost out!

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 5:46 a.m. CST


    by Live.

    After JL bombs - DUE TO MISERLY CASTING - the studio will have no choice but to reboot Superman with a big name action director (James Cameron) to generate the amount of buzz needed. Routh's best bet is to get attached to JL and pray the rest of the MISERLY CASTING doesn't ruin its sequels. Then James Cameron's new solo Superman (Henry Cavill? Welling?) can go into rotation with Batman and Justice League as summer tentpoles.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Why Superman is lame as a hero...

    by Tal111

    And it's Warner's doing. Superman II- Point 1-Supes gives up his powers to be with Lois Lane (Was he wearing his super-beer goggles?) Point 2- While making his way back to civilization he gets in a fight with a trucker and turns into a crybaby when he loses. Point 3- (and the worst of all) What's the first thing that Supes does after his powers have returned and he has rid the world of Gen Zod? He goes back to that little truck stop to teach that trucker a thing or two! Big big man! He can bend steel in his bare hands, there's no way he can lose again so now suddenly he gets some balls. No, although never acknowledged as such THAT was a major turning point for the character and has had an impact on the films and comics since. Take away his powers and he's just a big crybaby wimp. He should have been shown mustering all his strength beating the trucker in the first fight AND THEN realizing the mistake he made. At the core of it he needs to be a tough guy- powers or no powers. There nothing heroic in knowing your unbeatable.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 6 a.m. CST


    by Live.

    Your casting sounds pretty good, but I've never heard of Daniela Kosan. McConaughey has the look, but also an accent as thick as syrup. Unless Atlantis is off the coast of Georgia, that won't fly.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Why Superman movies make baby Jesus cry

    by Live.

    Lex Luther. He should rank up there with the Joker in moviegoers' mind as the seminal Bad Ass of the DC universe. He is what would happen if Bruce Wayne ever went bad. Instead, moviegoers only know Lex as a fucking pansy. It is not just one retarded director or Superman movie, it's in ALL of them. How can such a travesty happen over and over again?

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 6:23 a.m. CST

    Brandon Vs. Welling

    by QuietMan297

    all I will say, WITHOUT going into childish attacks or insults, is that I would prefer Brandon Routh to any other actor for the role of Superman. Tom Welling is a great actor for the teen set, his acting is competent in the movies I've seen him in. I wasn't wild about Brandon's Christopher Reeve impersonation, I feel Superman should stand on his own. But I also feel that these movies need some sense of continuity to each other. That is, unless Warner's goes for the gold and decides on the ultimate fantasy casting of John C. Reilly=Superman, Will Farrell=Batman, Jack Black=Green Lantern, Selma Blair=Wonder Woman, Doug Jones=Flash, Jeffrey Tambour=J'onn Jonzz. Pure Gold.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Morena Baccarin IS Wonder Woman!!!

    by QuietMan297

    All jokes aside (for the moment) this actress has the exotic looks to pull off Wonder Woman (she's the travelling hooker on Firefly and Serenity) -- plus, she's HOT!!!

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Exotic Wonder Woman?

    by Abin Sur

    Guys, I can't think of a single instance in the comics or cartoons where WW is portrayed as anything other than a very Caucasian lady with black hair and blue I missing something?

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 6:54 a.m. CST

    tom welling is a freakin horrible actor

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    HORRIBLE maybe its what he has to work with or its just his skills but hes HORRIBLE

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Morena Baccarin

    by QuietMan297

    Morena Baccarin's exotic looks stem from the fact that she's a beautiful woman who also happens to be a natural brunette. I was just offering a suggestion, not wanting to turn this into a thing where we are eventually insulting each other's mothers and losing sight of what we're talking about in the first place. I only suggested Morena Baccarin ONLY IF Selman Blair is unavailable.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Oh, and in case you don't get it...

    by QuietMan297

    I AM just kidding about Selma Blair.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Morena Baccarin has a small face

    by Live.

    And Selma Blair should be Lois Lane.<p> But WB can't afford either of them. DAMN YOU WB!

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 7:24 a.m. CST

    QuietMan...she IS hot.

    by Abin Sur

    On that we're in total agreement.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Live, you DO know that Barrie Osborne is supposed to be producin

    by Abin Sur

    You know, the guy behind the Matrix and LOTR movies? He only does the big-budget stuff - I think they're going to spend more on this than you think.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Dammit! I miss the old Subject Cut-Off.

    by Abin Sur

    I typed more than what appears above, but now I look like a country bumpkin. Producin', indeed.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Oh My God we are witnessing a train wreck

    by BetaRayBill07

    Man is this gonna suck hard or what. Its over folks- now all of us have to wait until 2019 for the Justice League reboot. Ugh!!

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 7:55 a.m. CST

    I have little faith...

    by QuietMan297

    ...that this thing is even going to go into production (remeber Wolfgang Petersen's Superman vs. Batman?). I have no faith that if JLA actually does go into production, that it will not suck. This IS Warner Brothers we're talking about, owners of some of the hottest properties that they have no clue what to do with. This is the studio that wanted ASHTON KUTCHER to play Batman OR Superman years before Batman Begins or Superman Returns went into production. The challenges of making a movie of this scope without the suits coming in and fucking this all up are just too high, even with the "perfect" cast. How are they going to even up all that screentime among the heroes? I expect JLA to be a steaming pile, ala The Fantastic Four (how did Marvel manage to fuck that up?) but I am a geek fanboy enough to really, really want to be proven wrong on this and be very happily surprised.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Routh, Welling and Evans

    by Napoleon Park

    Dean Cain's recent enough to still be in syndication, Christopher Reeve and George Reeves and Kirk Alyn all own the role for different generations. Let's not forget Tim Daly and George Newburn from "The Animated Series" and "JLU". and whoever plays young Superman on the Legion cartoon. That live action Supeboy series had TWO leads in the Clark Kent role. So what's the big deal?

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    I WOULD cast...

    by Napoleon Park

    Jason Wiles (Boscarelli on Third Watch) as Superman. I would NOT cast the guy that plays Danny McCoy on Las Vegas (aka Fergie's boy toy) as Batman. <p> Don;t miss next weeks Bones for Emily Daschenal in a Wonder Woman costume, Michaela Conlin in the Pfeiffer Catwoman garb and Boreanez as a slightly nerdier Clark Kent.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST


    by Napoleon Park

    Sorry, BoreanAz and Douche-channel.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Rupert Evans is not Superman...

    by Philvis

    That was a total bunk "insider tip". A true source on another site contacted his agency and was practically laughed at on the phone when asked about it. He probably has read for another part in the movie, but it is not Supes. People will be really suprised when it is announced that Tom Welling is Superman. The WB has been doing some major misinformation campaigning. THEY want to be the ones announcing who is playing what.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Actually Ruper Everett might have made a good Superman. Rupert E

    by CrichtonAstronut

    would've been better as The Flash(Wally West version) he'supposed to have a bit of boyishness so the boyish face would work for him there.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Philvis, what site is that?

    by Abin Sur

    I'd be interested in reading about that.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    The reasons Superman is lame...

    by fat bears

    Is because he can overcome every physical challenge there is, and every film goer and comic reader knows this, and yet his movie adventures keep showing him lifting this, out-racing that or punching out that other guy. Where's the suspense in that? Meanwhile there are hacks making Superman movies projecting what they would do if they had Godlike powers onto the character(who knew Singer was a stalker, or that Donner was a picked on dweeb thirsty for revenge?). The best Sueprman stories are the ones where he has to make an impossible choice that cannot be resolved through pure force. So far Alex Ross has been involved in two stories where Superman's goal was an almost total failure (Kingdom Come and the Superman portion of World's Greatest Superheros) and Mark Millar's 'Red Son' was a great Superman story. All three stories show his desire to do Good, his naivete, his total lack of guile and ultimately his inability to think the consequences of his actions through. I don't want to see a dumb Superman but I do want to see him tricked, manipulated and forced into a corner where he has to reasses the idea of who/what he is and to see his ego bruised. One of the better parts of Dark Knight Returns and Dark Knight Strikes Back was seeing Superman get his ass handed to him and his whole worldview brought to rubble. And then, like the true blue hero he is he reassessed things with clear eyes and strove to do Good. Oh, and if I remember right the Superman from "The New Frontier" was pretty short, as was the original guy from Action Comics so short's not that big a deal. Just don't make him a mopey bully.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Philvis, what site IS that?

    by QuietMan297

    I'm sure a lot of us would be interested in reading that. Why hasn't AICN covered this?!? Shame!

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 10:11 a.m. CST

    I'm going to guess that Carrot Top was unavailable.

    by riskebiz

    Rupert Evans? When they ought to have just rehired the perfect Superman in Brandon Routh? Ha. Talk about bottom-of-the-barrel casting. Terrible choice. They ought to put the breaks on this film before it gets worse.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST

    I don't know why I have faith in this movie

    by Jor-El23

    but i do. maybe i'm just glad that what I've heard in terms of script details doesn't scare the bejesus out of me (aka Lex Luthor is a Kryptonian) The WB finally seems interested in getting their properties into great movies and so far I think they're batting close to .1000 with Batman and Superman. If they cast this thing right, which I think they will, then it'll be epic.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Hope Nolan gives Routh a cameo as Kent in the Dark Knight just t

    by riskebiz

    Routh should be Superman for as long as he wants to be. I think this is a kick in the teeth to him and he doesn't deserve it. I hope Nolan gives him a cameo in The Dark Knight as Clark Kent reporting on The Joker killings. It would be nice (and a cool fanboy moment).

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST

    ...Routh as Kent in the Dark Knight would piss Warners off.

    by riskebiz

    ...Routh as Kent in the Dark Knight would be a great way of Nolan giving the finger to Warners.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST


    by Jor-El23

    that's a great idea but I don't think Nolan would go for it. he seems disinterested in branching out his Batman universe. I guess that's fine since so far his product has been great. It's unfortunate that the WB can't take better advantage of the fact that they own the film rights to almost every DC comics character. You'll never see Spidey pop up in an X-Men movie, you'll never see Kingpin in a Spidey movie, but you could see GL in the Green Arrow movie or Superman in the Batman movie. OH well.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Its no big deal to cast a different Supes/Bats

    by DoctorWho?

    Why so confused? Does it confuse your tiny brain when you see 5-6 different representations of Santa Clause on TV during Xmas?? "Damn it who's the REAL Santa???" I just wish someon would take a stab at some older representations of these heroes, not the young pretty boy WB types

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 10:38 a.m. CST


    by Philvis

    Go to the forums at and . They have had some good sources on there.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Evans rumor just squashed...

    by Philvis

    See the latest update at or

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST


    by dr sauch

    Oh My God. I am the guy who always, always, always wants to give a movie time to prove itself. If the idea is cool (and a Justice League movie could be the Citizen Kane of superhero/comicbook movies) then I am more than willing to say "go ahead, make it, see what happens". But I know, deep down in my soul, that this will be a fucking mockery of everything Justice League is about, will nail absolutely NONE of the elements of the story, and will be just such a fucking mess onscreen. The scary thing is, I can't think of a single director, producer, or set of actors (including Routh and Bale, both of whom I think are perfect for their respective roles in SEPARATE movies) that could pull this off. Maybe if this was a three-film affair, with a carefully written script which included notes from original comic book writers, careful pre-production and casting to ensure continuity (i.e. at least relate the events in JL to the Batman and Superman movies), then perhaps this could be good. But who am I kidding, JL is going to get fucked a la Punisher/Transformers/Daredevil/Superman Returns. *sigh* (PS, While I like Routh as Superman, everyone else in that movie, literally every other principal actor and extra, were horrible and acutely aware that they were on camera in a Superman movie, and the script was atrocious)

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    No Rupert!!

    by boyblue

    Thanks IESB, So whats next, Nicholas Cage as Superman??

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    The JLA Crapfest

    by Marvinatmiddleage

    The big problem is that no one seems to know how to properly direct/produce/write one of these films. You could cast the "perfect" actors in the roles but that won't do you any good if they're spewing crap and aren't directed well. 'Fer instance, one thing that always erked me about the '89 Batman film were the odd shots that made Batman look small and ridiculous. What the hell is he doing running down a public street with Vicky? In Superman Returns, Superman looks anything but super on many occasions. The whole hospital scene at the end made him look all too human. Even when a superhero is dead or dying, they should always look big and more than human. That's the whole point of a movie like this!(I think the strengths of the first two X-men movie lie in the fact that they weren't too "big" and were shot to fit the "smallness" of the characters.) Get some competent actors, stand them on a box if you have to, and shoot the thing right.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Wonder Woman casting update...?

    by Philvis

    Check out this article that was just posted in the forums at IESB. Topher Grace's woman, Teresa Palmer may have gotten the WW role.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    I made Lance2769 cry in his tossed-salad?

    by Kal El Vis

    Struck a nerve, did I sissy-boy? Can you see it, can you feel the truth that Singerman is done slapping you in the face? FINALLY, you obese shithead! Go ahead and whine and pout, remember, you only hurt the ones you secretly love. And how this little boy can, on one hand, accuse me of making ONLY insults, then follow-it up with a bunch of LAME insults of his own? Is that how it works in the 6th grade now? Jesus, you sad little pricks of today are gonna be in trouble when puberty hits.... Hey, boyblueballs, does your kid want some more?

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST


    by Kal El Vis

    You're a fucking idiot. The only thing that is "horrible", is YOUR grasp of the English Language. Anyone else notice that the only way these Singertologists try to "pump themselves up" is to pitifully attack Smallville? That the BEST they can do is insult a far more PROFITABLE venture? We'll see what these fuckwits say ,in 5 years when BJ Routh is STILL doing parties dressed as Singerman for cash. And are the majority of the Singertologists too STUPID to know where the name "BJ Routh" comes from? Seriously?

  • Oct. 25, 2007, noon CST

    wrong again Kal

    by oisin5199

    I like Smallville AND Superman Returns. There goes another 'well thought out' theory. There's gonna be a reckonin'

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Philvis, thanks for the heads up...

    by Abin Sur

    Can't believe I'd not looked at IESB in a while. Don't know much about Teresa Palmer, but damn if she's not as hot as the sun.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    And I guess I'll weigh in on Superman Returns...

    by Abin Sur

    I can take parts of that movie and get a real kick out of them...I've really got no problem with the homage to the Donner era movies. But I didn't like the movie, even with all the great style and polish it had. And there is only ONE reason that I and so many other TBers didn't like SR - NO FIGHTS. Simple as that. Instead of having Supes get beat up by street thugs on Kryptonite Island, we could have had Lex fight it out with Supes while wearing the very well known green-and-purple armor. Think about it, TBers, and be honest with would find a lot less fault with SR OVERALL (Lois casting, bastard kid, Stalkerman, etc...) if we'd had some kick-ass fighting on screen.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 12:25 p.m. CST

    No problem

    by Philvis

    I've been REALLY disappointed with the AICN coverage of JL. They have definitely let me down. Robert at IESB and emijayne at Countingdown really have been on top of this all. Supposedly November 18th at some comic con or something like that is when the cast announcement is going to be made. I still think Welling is Supes. His reps and the WB have only said no comment and not said he is not Supes.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    He looks like

    by Mattyboy122

    Ryan O'Neal as a teenager or something. He doesn't look super, nor does he look like a man.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST


    by Abin Sur

    Right on with those sources...Patrick Sauriol's been doing a pretty decent job too. That Nov 18th date seems a little suspect, since we've not really heard a substantial rumor on a potential casting that has turned out to be true. I guess it's entirely possible that Warner Bros. and George Miller have kept their casting decisions totally secret to almost everybody; it's also possible that he may have cast several of the roles outside of the normal casting process (as in, he knew who he wanted in the movie, made a call and made it happen - he's got clout, look at all the name actors that did work in Happy Feet). I've almost decided to just wait till the official announcement comes, and then start my cheering or griping based on that. Honestly, all the CURRENT griping based on rumor is really gonna wear people out and everyone will be too tired to bitch about Adrian Grenier as Aquaman or whoever... ;)

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    I'm right as usual, oisin5199

    by Kal El Vis

    One person, a MAJORITY does not make. Singerman Repugnant was horse shit. Those who "liked" it aren't much better. Well, boyblueballs and his family EAT IT, so maybe he's worse?

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST

    The many problems of Superman Returns

    by Live.

    Just thinking about the subject makes me tired. It seems like we've all had this conversation a million times.<br> Visually drab. Terrible characterization of Superman. Terrible characterization of Lex Luther. Spacey sleep walking through the part. Routh's waxy wooden acting. Bosworth's wooden acting. No chemistry between any of the leads. A Lifeless film. A joyless film. Ugly pleather Superman suit. THE KID. Badly choreographed action scenes. Depressed and depressing Superman. Lois' fried hair. Donner ripoffs falling like anvils. LIFTING A KRYPTONITE ISLAND. Film mostly shot at night or overcast days. Plot ripped from the Lifetime channel. Perry White suddenly has a son dating Lois in a strange ripoff of Spiderman. The movie seems to be one long ripoff of not very good material in the first place. Routh was too skinny. Bosworth was scary skinny. The kid was a walking mop. The tone of the movie was gloomy. The visual filters were drab grays. Ugly looking, ugly acting, ugly plotting. Terrible movie all the way around. All of this is just off the top of my head in 30 seconds. Lack of action was the least of its problems.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST


    by zombiezeus

    See my theories why here: Live action wouldn't make any sense, for SO MANY reasons! They have to be casting for voices/likenesses! Live action would be utterly ridiculous!

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    I give you points for persistance Mo-Cap man

    by Live.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 1 p.m. CST

    Live Intelligent

    by Kal El Vis

    Too bad the Singertologists aren't.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST


    by Abin Sur

    That's almost as old as "Cloverfield is Voltron." Dude, really...

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Tonally, this is it's own thing

    by Archive

    and casting the heroes from much darker, moodier franchises would be a grave mistake. Superman and Batman are extremely well-established characters, with a huge base of recognition - nobody would ever say that you can't make two movies about Jesus, with different creative foci. This franchise has nothing to do with Batman Begins or Superman Returns, and Warner is wise to avoid creating continutity between them.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Wrong time for JLA and as for Rupert..

    by Thelighttoshowtheway

    Hellboy fop as Superman....Bollocks!!!!! Alan Horn must have started thinking with his horn to back this against the ongoing franchises. This movie if it gets off the ground will bury any post Batman Begins cred WB had built up.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Does anyone know...?

    by QuietMan297 that Green Arrow SuperMax movie dead in the water?

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Kal El Vis

    by boyblue

    I thought I recognised your foul stench!!

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST


    by QuietMan297

    ..thanks for the source stuff. I shall doubt ye ne'ermore. Tom Welling for Superman, if they can't get Sam Rockwell or Will Farrell!!!

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST


    by Kal El Vis

    Just bringing din-din to your house. Extra corn, just like you requested!

  • Really, I do.

  • Really, I do.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    riskebiz, i cant lie

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    kent having a apperance well make me cum, but it would alson not fit since batman is "too realistic" now

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST

    and i hope wb doesnt read that post

    by aicndoesntwantmorecowbell

    they might take it serious then fire nolan and make batman and robin ice skate then fly through the city skys on doors from a rocket ship. hey wait a minute!

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    I'd die happy if this whole movie looked alex ross-esque

    by Pipple

    but this is hollywood and they only want cash so it wont happen until some internet nerd does it and puts it on youtube. Youtube = new hollywood.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST

    "I'm out of ideas after that."

    by Shermdawg

    Hey bub, Boothe was MY idea. ;)

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST


    by -888

    Duh. That would be fucking amazing. Famke would be a great Wonder Woman. Powers Boothe would be a great Batman. Wes Bentley could be a great Batman. But for the love of God, Warburton as Superman. I like the idea of Superman being kind of a lunkhead. Enough of this conflicted and sensitive Superman shit that they've been doing ever since Superman 2. Superman's not conflicted or troubled. He's fuckin' Superman for Christ's sake. Stop crapping on these characters.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST

    And Dr Sauch is right

    by -888

    Superman Returns was an abomination. Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane? Deschanel, you motherfuckers. Deschanel.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 7:53 p.m. CST

    the cast as it should be

    by phast freddy

    I would cast Gabrielle Reece as ww,Bruce Campbell as Batman,Craig Kilborn as Aquaman,Lance Reddick as the Martian manhunter, Michael Madsen as the Green Arrow, the kid from Smallville as superman, Neil Patrick Harris as the Flash and basketball player Ray Allen as the Green Lantern as the villians I would cast Anthony Hopkins,Ben Kingsley,Howard Stern,Brad Garrett, James Gandolfini,John McGinley,Kristen Johnston or Sara Silverman and an action guy like the Rock or Van Damme

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST


    by phast freddy,23663,22648042-10388,00.html

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST

    If Routh is absolutely not allowed to be JLA Supes

    by Kal Reeve

    Then Mr. Brendan Fraser should be given the opportunity to portray the World's Greatest Superhero.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 9:10 p.m. CST

    TTMoron is a crybaby BITCH too.

    by Kal El Vis

    And a LAME insult that was, junior. "No more Singerman? I gonna cry in Lance2769's asshole. I like boys asshole's". Do yourself a favor, and eat some of boyblueball's sperm-covered feces. Might IMPROVE your breath, douche-nozzle.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Kal El Vis, are you sure you are a true Superman fan

    by Kal Reeve

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Kal El Vis, are you sure you are a true Superman fan?

    by Kal Reeve

    Because you sure don't act like it. How could someone who supposedly appreciates and admires Superman be so mean rude, hateful, homophobic and mean-spirited? You need to get some perspective on what Superman represents, then try to treat others as he would.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Kal El Vis is sooooo cool!

    by TTMan

    After all, just look at his name! And the way he can talk on a Message Board. I'm sure his drug-addicted father and alcoholic mother are proud of their surviving abortion! Oh, dear Lord...please strike him down! Thanks! I owe you one.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Are you STILL going on about this shit idea for a movie?

    by metaluna

    Jesus H Christ. Go read a book. And by that I mean a real book. Just text. No pictures. Enough superdooperpooperscooperhero movies please mr hollywood man, ok? GAH!

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Kal Reeve

    by Kal El Vis

    Shut the fuck up with the whining, sissy. You're like that annoying bitch running around saying: "Oh, won't you PLEASE think of the CHILDREN???". Go home and watch your copy of Singerman Repugnant again, loser. Until your mommy yells at you to go to bed, that is.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 10:10 p.m. CST

    TTMoron still cryin'!

    by Kal El Vis

    What's the matter, shithole? No more "reviews" you can copy and paste? And "surviving abortion"? Verrry original. What are you, 9? I could say the same about you though. Only we don't call women taking a SHIT an "abortion".

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Kal El Vis

    by TTMan

    Please stop saying hurtful things against me. Otherwise, I will have to get Matter-Eater Lad to fight you. I'm serious. Or even worse, I'll get Colossal Boy to squash you, real good. Consider this a warning.

  • Oct. 25, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST


    by Kal Reeve

    Why do you feed him attention? That's all he's after. He obviously knows nothing of Superman and his lame, hollow remarks are not worth your good time. By arguing with him you're just feeding his ego and his delusion that the heartless comments he spews actually matter.

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Let's all BAN Kal El Vis off this message board!!!

    by Lance2769

    How many people has this nerd insulted? The only people he seems to get along with on here are Live and Messi and that is ONLY because they are "Smallville" fans like him which goes to show his maturity level on the basis of his choosing. Are you two guys sure you want to be associated with this kid? His education level is that of a 3rd grader based on his inabiity to put together an intelligent sentence that doesn't include profanity, personal insults or stupid labels for Bryan Singer, Superman Returns or Brandon Routh. His biggest word to date is "repugnant" and I doubt he knows the meaning of it. He probably "googled" it. It's time to shut this kid down!!! Kal El Vis: Do us all a favor and leave this message board for true film lovers, Superman fans and those alike. Get lost!!!!

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Kal Reeve...

    by TTMan are correct. I should ignore the prick, but when a rat keeps scampering around and biting at your ankles all the time, it's just too tempting to an axe and cut it's head off. But I'm going to stop right now. To Lance2769: Good idea.

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Good Idea, Lance and TTMan

    by Kal Reeve

    Let this guy be his own problem. And lets hope that the decency of the great hero he claims to be a fan of will rub off on him.

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Count me in on the Snub!!

    by boyblue

    Little fucker aint worth it! And his schtick is getting a bit tiresome. Fair enough have a rant every now and again, But this guy has nothing else to offer!!

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 3:25 a.m. CST

    See what happens when AIC Talkbackers get along?

    by TTMan

    Let us form our own Justice League...

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Funny as a route canal by a trainee dentist!!

    by boyblue

    Although you can laugh that so much anger can come from such a small person. I bet he screams and points at his PC when he is posting!

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 8:43 a.m. CST

    that Kal El Vis guy is kinda funny

    by RockLobster800

    I mean, he seems like such a loud and unreasonible asshole who just swears at everybody from his computer its kinda hard not to laugh. I mean it really is the lowest form of conversation but he works like Cartman in South Park-a big offensive loudmouth who you know you shouldnt like but cant help laugh at. Just an observation and it wasnt my place to say. Maybe I just want him to insult me next!

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 9 a.m. CST

    About Kal El Vis....

    by QuietMan297

    Okay, he likes Smallville. Cool enough. Okay, he didn't feel Superman Returns. Everyone's entitled to his opinion. I personally loved it, it was more a nostalgic movie about lonliness and lost love, a heady drama about two people spearated by time and life's circumstances. It was a Lifetime drama that just happened to have a superpowered character called Superman; but it wasn't necessarily what fans have come to expect from a Superman movie. It gave a Lllllllllllllllllot of love to the Richard Donner film(s?) and featured a performance that reminded a lot of Christopher Reeve's performance, his nuances and movements. A lot of people who didn't enjoy Superman Returns make good points -- but then so do those of us who enjoyed the movie. But Kal El Vis takes us away from whatever it may have been that we were talking about -- I think it was about the JLA and second Superman/Batman movie casting, and turned it into an ugly thread filled with hostility and insults for anyone who doesn't share his opinion. Fine, we can agree that we disagree, that's why we're here. But we can do so as we are, true movie geeks who love the material these films are based on, without having to be divided into "camps"...I mean, how silly is that?

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 9:13 a.m. CST

    I love the bullshit "psychoanalyzing"

    by Kal El Vis

    Ah, so I get attacked by a handful of Singertologists, reply in kind, and these assholes think they're somehow "above" me? I make them feel STUPID, ALL OF THEM, but little ol' me is the problem? Jesus, that's pretty pathetic. But that's the problem with these shitbirds. They live in their own little "world", where peeping is ok, sneaking into little boys bedrooms is peachy, and wearing a fetish costume with a Fruit Roll-Up on your back makes you a "superhero". Me? I live in the "real world", where those things are ALL "frowned upon" by the public at large. But go ahead and "think" I'm the problem. Like ANYONE gives a fuck what you BJ Routh fans think. Because you don't.

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    I swear I just heard something!!

    by boyblue

    Sounded angry and Alone....... Nah sorry it was just the wind!

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST

    I feel sorry for boyblueballs kid..

    by Kal El Vis

    What with the shit-eating and bedroom sneaking. Someone called the authorities, this asshole needs to be stopped!

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Dammit I think I just heard it again???

    by boyblue

    Its like a Whiny farting noise, like when you let air out of a balloon!

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Wrong on both counts!

    by boyblue

    Of course your entitled to your opinion but im taking offence at you typing the words "Kal El Vis is right"

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    The Justice League

    by darthsynn

    Why don't they just go with the team that has been assembled on Smallville? Get Erica Cerra from Eureka to play Wonder Woman and David Boreanaz as Batman and they're good to go. Tom Welling has to don the blue tights eventually.

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    AnimalStructure is right that I'm right

    by Kal El Vis

    Notice how boyblueballs is hanging onto the corpse of Singerman like a retarded captain going down with the ship? The entire time he's sinking, he keeps asking why everyone deserted the S.S. Singertology? Everyone that is, but his two cabin boys Lance2769 and Kal Reeve. They WON'T go ANYWHERE without their Captain, and will even bend-over frontwards for him!

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST


    by messi

    you dumb cunt. you dont know what the fuck you are talking about. Welling can act and like your opinion matters when you say superman returns was great and anyone who uses 'kicked ass' is a fucking loser. fuck you.

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST


    by messi

    I don't take you seriously because you liked Superman Returns, you lose. you can say whatever you want but you liked Superman Returns, it was a terrible film and a terrible superman film. And it fails in your argument of Welling, because he may not be Daniel Day Lewis but he can play Clark Kent and Routh had about 6 lines and only impersonated Chris Reeve. So you fail.

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Add messi to the list of "not worth responding to"

    by Kal Reeve

    Look, I can appreciate enjoying "Smallville." But nothings excuses being so crude and hateful, especially when discussing the most noble hero the world has ever known.

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Kal Reeve, you whiney cunt.

    by Kal El Vis

    Just shut the fuck up already. Jesus, why not just wear a sign that says: "I'm a little bitch"? Your posting "style" proves it. Anyone else notice that he doesn't direct any of his lame bullshit at boybluenuts? Why, you may ask? Because he AGREES WITH HIM. So it's A-Ok to be a foul-mouthed CUNT, as long as Kal Reeve agrees. You two-faced asshole.

  • Oct. 26, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    messi is already on the list Kal Reeve

    by boyblue

    Im sure Kal El Vis would like the company! Kids eh??