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Yet more JLA info! Who's to design and create Batman and Superman's new duds? And who's to photograph them for George Miller?
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. How does a movie like JUSTICE LEAGUE just seem to happen? Where are the years of heavy production and even more years of languishing in limbo?
Now we have a movie that will be directed by George Miller, shot by Dean Semler (ROAD WARRIOR, APOCALYPTO) and have all the suits designed and created by the genius' at Weta Workshop, according to a story by those good folks over at obsessedwithfilm (thanks for the heads up, "Bionic Man")
I haven't confirmed this with anybody at Weta yet, but it sounds right. We already know Miller is going to shoot in his home country, a hop across the pond from New Zealand, and this sounds right up their alley. I remember way back when Darren Aronofsky was going to direct BATMAN: YEAR ONE I bumped into him at Weta (I was there for my first visit on RINGS). He was getting the grand tour and talking to them about creating Batman's new costume then.
Now it's all about the casting and if they can clearly tell us what kind of movie to expect. We've heard fully performance/motion capture, then we heard it was going to be half and half... now we have Weta building suits, so it's not going to be fully motion capture we know that much. Just how would half and half work for a film like this?
And I know all the TV fans love Tom Welling. His name has been rumored with this project from the beginning. I'm sure he's great... I've seen more than a few SMALLVILLE episodes, but if they're not going to keep in continuity with the existing films (which is perfectly fine), then I'd be more in favor of someone who isn't already associated with Superman.
What do you folks think?
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I'd like that.
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Damn that Transformers score is freakin awesome, and his Steamboy work is brilliant as well.
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i like the gosling idea and should give welling a shot at superman on the big screen. he can't be worse than that routh fella.
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Is the Joker even in this ?. I'm sorry i have no idea what JLA is all about !!
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hang on...........
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Do movies made this quickly turn out well?
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yeah i think that they should recast everyone and start fresh and make JLA it's own entity
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He would have been great 4 or 5 years ago when he was the most recognizable DC icon in the world, but after Batman Begins and Superman Returns tying this film to Smallville would give off the impression that it's just a continuation of that mythology, and would alienate everyone who's either given up on that show or never watched it to begin with. Personally I still think Brandon Routh is the only choice for many reasons, but since they've made it known they aren't using him, I'd prefer a new (unknown or semi-known) actor in the suit
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Regardless of how this plans out I think we can all be confident with Weta's involvement. I dont like to think this has only come of the back of Batman Begins success, but lets face it without it we prob wouldnt be seeing a JLA motion picture - however i for one would like to see a clear division between this and the other related movies. That means no Bale, no Welling and while we're at it no Slater for the joker. We had the real thing with Burtons first, remember? ;)
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Scrap the JLA movie. It'll be a fiasco.
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Superman Returns had a really shitty script, THAT was the major flaw, don't blame Brandon Routh, he was perfect for the role, just that the film around him was deeply flawed.
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Weta obviously make top quality gear and all but if it's just a bunch of cheesy puffs in drag mincin about it might look a bit daft!?
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Just feels like the characters are too big to be in the same film...don't see how it could ever work. Plus, you've got a shit load of other super heroes to include. Doesn't this just have 'fucking mess' written all over it? I'm kind of expecting something close to the movie version of 'League of Extraordinary Gentlemen' -
This project just seems doomed to me. They need to do something like "Kingdom Come", not only is it a great story, all of the characters are old and it wouldn't be jarring to see them in a different franchise. Plus then they could have Robert John Burke as Bats, Bruce Campbell as Supes, and Monica Bellucci as Wonder Woman. The rumors about Ryan Gosling as Bats worry me. He's a great actor, as evidenced by Half Nelson and other films, but it shows what direction they're going with this. He's like 5 years younger than Bale (that's guessing off the top of my head) so how does that make sense if Batman was Beginning last time we saw him? Now he's even younger in a fully established Justice League? I doubt Gosling would even do this actually, he's got a pedigree to maintain. I don't know. My vote is for "Kingdom Come" filmed mo-cap to look like an Alex Ross painting, starring above mentioned actors (and since they can make fat guys looks buff Beowulf style, let's say Ray Liotta for Shazam.)
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At least if you are over the age of 12. People complain when more than one supervillain is in any given comic book flick, and rightfully so given the horrible job they usually do, so I can't fathom why a film with seven superheroes would be done any better when 90% of the time they can't even get one right. Plus I'd be willing to bet the farm they get some fucking talentless CW cast to mug their way through a part they have no understanding of.
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And Cheapen his career with such rubbish. BTW I totally agree with your take of an animated film or Kingdom Come. Now THATS something I'd pay to see.
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He has already proved he is the perfect post crisis Clark Kent but season 7 started the Superman esque style. Watch the premiere episode, the way he deals with things, the action scenes. He is Superman, has the look, the charisma, the everyman quality. He is Supes.
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whatever. he is supes. need some sleep.
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Welling has the bulk and grit to play Superman as an action hero, not as a lovestruck weed like Routh did. Dean Semler rocks by the way - better be shot 2.35:1 or else!
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If a JLA flick is a way to extract the best parts of Smallville (Welling, Rosenbaum, Glover, and Mack AS Lois) then I'm all for it. The show is near unbearable at the moment, and the gang deserves a bigscreen shot one way or another. And if they don't go with Tom, a modernized Supes with Dwayne Johnson, would be fantastic.
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I hear that theme and I can think Justice League, just imagine the intro to the cartoon with that music.
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For the love of god give us an older Bats in this one.
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are you fucking serious. Smallville is awesome at the moment, the characterization of Luthor is fucking perfect it seems "Nolanized", i was comparing it with Morrison's Luthor from JLA and I was shaking my head thinking Morrison's is Luthor but that's the problem, it's so cartoony, yet Rosenbaum's is excellent, a realistic version of Lex Luthor and he hasn't even become evil yet(well not fully). The other part is amping up the Superman aspects like the season premiere, the fight with bizarro and dispersing the water from the damn and giving the nod to the kid and speeding off. awesome. plus Erica Durance is a brilliant Lois, I don't understand how you can't see it, she's just like the comics only younger, the sass, the pushyness. I think you just don't like her for some reason but you can't say she doesn't play Lois.
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...a classic Batman suit for once? Just have him wear armor and shit under the costume. I'm sick of the badly designed suits we've had to endure over the last twenty years. Don't gimme that "It wouldn't translate to the screen" shit. It'll never "translate" until ya try. Probably the best looking (non-Spidey) onscreen Superhero outfit was the Flash getup from the tv series.
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Oct 14, 2007 1:50:27 PM CDT
Best pic of Welling as Supes. Even makes the new suit look good.
by messi
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Supes is supposed to be the most desirable in the DCU, that's canon. Brandon Routh looks like a guy forced to look like Supes, a cartoony version, Welling looks like Jim Lee's Superman. I'm pretty sure most women would say Welling is better looking than Routh. -
now i know you are crazy. Erica Durance is not a good lois, this coming from a guy who thinks the Flash suit is the best looking outfit, and that bats' black and grey duds would work. They wouldn't. The Begins costume is what it should be.
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please?
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Or Blue Beetle? Or Firestorm? Or Red Tornado? Or Zatanna? Or Hawkgirl? Or Plastic Man? Or Metamorpho? Or Gypsy? Or Vibe? Or Elongated Man? Or Mister Miracle? Or Dr. Fate? Or Black Vulcan? Or Apache Chief? Or Samurai? Or Gleek? Or Rima the Jungle Girl? Or Atom? Or El Dorado? Or Wendy Harris? Or Marvin White?
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I am a lifelong comic book reader and superhero fan, but I am getting pretty tired of the forced movies based on these characters. I am on board for Nolan's Batman series, Watchmen, and probably the Magneto film but that is just about all. I've had it! If they insist on adapting comics, let Zwigoff do more of Daniel Clowes' graphic novels and at least we can be entertained.
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Wow, that pic looks great!
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Oct 14, 2007 2:02:58 PM CDT
Tyler perry movie #1 in movies, End Of Days, moving to Europe
by greekopa
there had to be so many chicken bones in theatres
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I hope I never have to sit behind you in a theatre. It would be hard to see around your Klan hood.
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Oct 14, 2007 2:09:53 PM CDT
Exactly, Quint -- how did a project like this avoid Development
by anti-fanboy
There's usually a stillborn curse around genre events like this... I'm waiting for the other shoe to fall, like a ballooning production budget, or whatever else usually blows it out of the water.
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The answer to all of your questions is Eddie Murphy. Because who doesn't love when he plays tons of characters? And of course those amazing trailers..."Starring Eddie Murphy, Eddie Murphy, Eddie Murphy, and Eddie Murphy!"
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...how it wouldn't piss off both Routh and Bale (or at least their agents) to have have a movie starring people other than them as these characters, while they would likely be in the midst of a series of at least a few movies. Would this JLA movie come out before a second sequel to Bale and Routh's first movies? Seems like, in the world of Hollywood, this could lead to trouble, contracts or not.
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c'mon, they're bustin our balls!
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Smallville is ass in it's current state. Lex has no focus, and honestly they pretty much neutered him with this whole Lana shit. I swear to god the writers suck, the dialogue between him and Kreuk is awful. It's sad those fucks still have a job and the guys helming Days of Our Lives are stuck where they're at. The Lex/Lana romance was needed to drive a wedge between him and Clark, but the execution was beyond piss poor, and it keeps dragging on. Smallville's been bad before, but this takes the cake. And speaking of the Lana shit, they should have left her dead. Cloning the bitch was pretty much the last straw for me. (Weird thing is, the big reveal that she was a clone -"Model 503"- was supposed to be this past week, but they pulled it.) That along with the obvious path the show will be taking (launching a Supergirl spinoff...ugh) and episodes like this past weeks, it's clear that it's just dragging on to keep the CW afloat, and anyone that has stuck with or in some cases suffered through the course of the series, won't get a payoff. I'm not exactly thrilled with the writing on Heroes, but at least that show, even in it's redundant second season has knocked it out of the park in terms of presenting tension and a clear direction of where it's headed, not to mention it being a hell of a lot more fun. Now regarding Durance, besids her being fugly, I'll admit she's ok as Lois, BUT Chloe is so much better filling that role, and should be one of the first considered for the role if JLA should happen to reboot the Smallville cast.
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Or just grab cheap costumes from the Wal-Mart Halloween section.
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WB really should have let Nolan finish his trilogy before confusing the public with this. Any Batman other than Bale is a mistake, unless they go the Powers Booth route, which you KNOW they won't. A nasty, aging Bats wouldn't track so good with the tween set. Singer's Superman is pretty much a non-issue, since no one seems particularly motivated to get the next one going. Poor Brandon Routh, I actually feel sorry for the guy - Superman Returns would have been much better for his career if the film hadn't been so lackluster. Dark Knight Out.
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There is no way this film will be any good when they are rushing because of the upcoming strikes. I hope they keep it seperate from Nolan's Batman and Singer's Superman. 2009 is gonna blow for movies because the studios are rushing their movies and hiring anyone to work on it.
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its gonna happen!
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Having worked in animation, the best way to do the best mix of motion capture and "traditional" would be to use motion capture for the body animation and "traditional" key frame animation for the face. That would also help get rid of the "empty eyes" look that is part and parcel of the facial-mo cap stuff that we've seen on the Tom Hanks projects...including the Beowulf clips...
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real bad. I mean, I'll be buying a ticket if it ever gets made, but I would MUCH rather hear that JLU animated got re-upped for five years than see a watered down, focus-grouped, 90 minute fuckfest like this is gonna be
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Oct 14, 2007 2:47:19 PM CDT
John Hamm, Punisher???! I've never seen a better Batman/Bruce Wa
by modlight
All I think of when I watch Mad Men is how great he'd be as Batman.
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Oct 14, 2007 2:53:37 PM CDT
Do I really need to explain why Tom Welling should not be Superm
by brokentusk
The only reason why some people consider Tom Welling a good fit for the part is because they've been watching SMALLVILLE for seven years now and they really, really, REALLY want to see him finally actually BE Superman. Tom Welling is not a good actor. I'm sorry, but casting him in the role just because he supposedly plays the character on a show on the CW does not mean that he should actually get to the play the character on the big screen. I watched SMALLVILLE for three years, until I realized that he was never going to become Superman on the show, so what was the point in watching each week? To hear more lines like "one day you'll be really super, Clarke"? Okay, the guy's good looking and well-built. Congratulations. That alone is not enough in being cast such a high profile role... you need talent! I mean, if you really want Tom Welling in the role, then I assume you guys are also considering Frankie Munez for the part? Wake the fuck up!
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Do an Eddie Murphy and get Bouff to play all the superheroes - may as well as he's in everything else these days!
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Keep masturbating, comic book fans. Meanwhile, people who like stories that don't come in neatly animated rectangles are being slowly bored to death.
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respectively, of course.
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I think they'll be doing something akin to those massive green screen movies like Casshern, Sky Captain, etc. After seeing Casshern I think it would be a cool way to go for a movie like this.
As for Superman, there's no choice, it's gotta be Routh. All these people sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting for Box-Head Welling to become Superman, it is not going to happen. He's had man years to convince me he's got what it takes and he simply does not. -
And I second Jon Hamm as Batman...Although he could even pull off a slightly older Superman. He's a great actor and looks like a real man, unlike Routh.
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welling has more than proven himself, he's pretty darn cute too
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Come on, give the guy a chance. He's doing great on Smallville, just check out the early seasons, he's really evolved from a very unexperienced actor to a believable Clark Kent/Superman.
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'nuff said.
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and spare us another epic casting search that results in a shoe-in for the kid from Rushmore. I don't dislike Routh actually, but he was obviously a disappointment as the essays in talkback have discussed already. I say go ahead and use Welling becuase whoever they cast will be wrong for some reason and at least he's not Ashton Kutcher! Remember when that and Paul Walker were the favorites?! I don't care how dumb you are, Routh and Welling are both better than those choices. I'd go with Welling and just live with the disappointment that may or may not come from that casting, rather than casting someone new to still get it wrong. I'm more interested in the casting of the others anyway. Is Denzel Washington as John Stewart Green Lantern too much to hope for? Ryan Gosling is still too young to be Batman to me. Someone Bale's age or older is how that should be handled. I think Gosling would make an excellent Flash though (Ryan Reynolds of course being the favorite of so many, but I think he'd be a let down because people would expect something better than they'd get). Also either Wes Studi for Martian Manhunter or (in case that is too Myster Men for you), Dennis Haysbert. Aquaman will be hard because I don't know if they're going with the bearded hook version or the younger clean shaven guy. Go by the Alex Ross painting and get Russel Crowe if he'll take it--but I doubt he will. And Wonder Woman, I guess that's just as hard to cast, but I'd get Jennifer Connelly. Actually in my heart of hearts I'd cast a CGI enhanced Bruce Willis as Superman (like how they're doing Beowulf), Sela Ward as Lois Lane, and Terry O'Quinn as Lex Luthor--but that's really not going to happen.
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Oct 14, 2007 3:49:49 PM CDT
Confusing the public? Is anyone here confused? I didn't think so
by anakin whoopass
Who do you think these films are made for? If you're enough of a fan to have an internal continuity capable of being upset, you probably know enough to understand these are separate projects with separate cast and crew. This is a genre film for a genre audience and it only has to have enough mass appeal that your date will agree to go with you opening weekend.
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The JLA movie set to Kingdom Come would the best damn thing...ever. The half and half idea would be awesome especially with the design of Alex Ross. We can only hope and pray, right...right?? And I would only like Welling as Superman - that is ONLY IF they do not go with the Kingdom Come concept - because he is a big and bulky guy.
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I think that considering this is supposed to be WB's tentpole release plus the scale of the production and the amount of licensing and property value this thing inherently has, I doubt that they are going to market this to less than everyone on the planet.
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Oct 14, 2007 4:05:35 PM CDT
Also I doubt non comic readers are familiar with a 'multiverse'
by blindambition238
I had a friend who decided to start reading comics recently and didn't know that the Ultimate Marvel line was a seperate thing from the actual Marvel line. So unless they mention it in the trailers or marketing, people will assume this is taking place on the side of the bat and supes films or maybe a bit after
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We gave an unknown a chance at Supes, and yes, Routh was ok, acted like christopher reeve, but really brought nothing new to the role. Fans obviously like Welling if they have stuck with the show for this long, and he wont be carrying the movie alone, which may be just what he needs in a big budget film like this, to test the waters and see if he could ever carry his own franchise. he definately has the look and build, and smallville should probably end this year or next....its been on a lil too long now, they aint gettin any younger
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I think I have figured out why you hate "Superman Returns" and ignore the many beautiful things about it: You're a die hard "Smallville" fan. Don't get wrong, I enjoy "Smallville" and find it to be an interesting take on the greatest superhero mythology ever. And I think Welling and Rosenbaum are both excellent in their respective roles. But it's hard not to notice a segment of Internet fans who hate "Superman Returns" because they are obsessed with "Smallville." The other Superman Returns haters are the Internet fanboys who either hate it because it's the hip thing to do on aintitcool talkbacks or simply because it's one of the many things they spend the hours of their day complaining about.
Now don't get me wrong. Their are folks who give honest analysis of why they do not like "Superman Returns," and that's fine. But unfortunately, most of the talkbackers who criticize "Superman Returns" do not fall into the latter category. -
a cameo by The Aluminum Monster and Fatty Magoo (from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia).
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Yay. WETA. Great. It can be pretty and that's exciting but if the story blows then that's the end.
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Oct 14, 2007 4:24:19 PM CDT
On the subject of the a fabric/ grey and blue batsuit
by blindambition238
Anyone checked out Lee Bermejo's interpretion in Lex Luthor: Man of Steel?( http://tinyurl.com/3xhu2t ) He did a realistic interpretation of the gray and blue batsuit that looks like fabric over armor padding. It doesn't look that nice on the eyes aesthetically, but it does actually look a bit menacing, and pretty functional to boot.
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could they??
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I remember when the JLU cartoon was out, Bruce Timm was told he couldn't use certain characters because of their association with other projects. I'm not criticizing (yet) the idea of Batman and Superman and being in another movie as different actors but I am amazed that the WB is perfectly fine with this.
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I have to agree with AnakinWhoopass - I was ELEVEN when I started reading and collecting comics - Superman, Action, World's Finest and JLA ALL had Superman in them - there is no way one hero could have all those adventures - but I DIDN'T CARE - the fans who will go to this film will not care as long as it's done with quality and respect... The same with non-fans who go out of curiosity or whatever - stop getting so hung up on casting names or previous incarnations - ain't gonna happen - get good unknowns and concentrate on the script, art direction and costumes - we all know Miller can direct action and comedy - I think this film will kick ass IF THE SCRIPT IS GOOD.
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Oct 14, 2007 5:03:10 PM CDT
Given the purported storyline, they need a Batman who's been aro
by trancer
IMHO, the guy they should get to play Batman is Jon Hamm (from "Mad Men"). Great actor, and looks even more like Bruce Wayne than Christian Bale does. Actually, he could easily play Batman *or* Superman.
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Thank you...if you simply HAVE to make this abortion
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I'd be most unhappy if Miller cast Tom Welling as Superman. I've seen five episodes of "Smallville," thought the show was milktoast at best, thus the inclusion of a pussified Superman would leave me utterly cold. Give us a Superman with some fucking zen intensity, with a look to stop bad guys in their tracks. Tom Welling ain't the guy to do this. Not by a long shot.
I'm intigued by the choice of old schooler George Miller to direct this film. Hopefully he'll deliver something tasty for us casual fans of The Justice League.
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He's all buff!
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After 7 years of spouting "I Love Lana Lang" for Al Gough, the guy deserves the chance show what he can really do as Superman.
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It's right to exist is justified by Rosenbaum's Lex Luthor, the portrayal is that perfect. He blows away Spacey's Luthor, and as strange as it sounds to say it, he blows away Hackman's Luthor too. Spacey and Hackman's Luthor are both 1 dimensional cliches. I have no idea *who* their Luthor is. Just some bald, cartoonish Bond villain with inexplicable motives and unrealistic plans, who I am compelled to neither love nor hate. Rosenbaum's Luthor is layered and complex, and he emotes his motives so completely he doesn't even need dialogue to get them across to the viewer.
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it's world's finest all over again.
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Just sayin'
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Marvel! Excelsior!
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George Miller as director ... Awesome
Barrie Osborne as producer ... Awesome
Dean Semler as DP ... Awesome
WETA on costumes and effects ... Awesome
Tom Welling as Superman ... Awesome
Christian Bale as Not-Batman ... Very Un-Awesome
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it isn't in continuity with the Superman and Batman (Begins era) films. I'm sorry but I don't want to see a Superman that isn't "Superman" or a Batman that isn't "Batman". New actors, and ignoring the other films, will only make the JLA movie that much more difficult for me to swallow. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in my feelings on this.
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Comics2film reported 2 weeks ago that he wont be in it.
"IESB reports that negotiations to sign 'Smallville' star Tom Welling on to the 'Justice League' movie have ended and the actor will not be stepping up as Superman on the big screen.
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George Miller as director = Awesome; Barrie Osborne as producer = Awesome; Dean Semler as DP = Awesome; WETA on costumes and effects = Awesome; Tom Welling as Superman = Awesome; Christian Bale as Not-Batman = Very Un-Awesome. However I'm officially hyped for this film. Bring it on.
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Oct 14, 2007 5:33:36 PM CDT
greekopa you sack of SHIT! and I'm sure Perry is laughing all th
by the founder
Don't hate on the man or his movie and most of sll BLACK PEOPLE you racist piece of filth. yeah the country can do without you so movie your ass to Europe. I'm sure yler perry is would laugh at your pitifull comment. He'd also laugh cause he taking all the profits straight to the bank, since he finances his films himself and only has to pay for distribution.
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the JLA movie shouldn't touch Smallville's continuity with a 10 foot pole. Stick to the movie storylines and not the TV series. Believe me, it will be an easier pill to swallow for the movie audience AND most importantly, the Superman fanbase.
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I want routh as supes and not Welling. Welling is a poor actor and looks nothing like Superman.
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This could suck as hard as The League Of Extrodinary Gentlemen. DOn't bother making it.
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All this production news for Justice League is great news.
Weta are very smart guys. I would love to see Batman similar in look to Batman: Dead End. Yet let's see what happens.
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I'm not one for Tom Welling as Supes, although I could be persuaded to think different if the movie turns out to be an authentic JLA story and he can handle the job of a full-on Superman and not just some teen angst ridden TV heartthrob. Anyway, go here and check out the Supes-Bats pic I did a minute ago using the Welling pic and the new Bat suit from The Dark Knight:
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But, hey...it was a rush job...
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A little fix it job...I tried to adjust the lighting a little.
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Guess which one was FIRED by a SOAP OPERA for "bad acting"?
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It is October, 2007. Filming starts February 11th, 2008. Won't come out until SUMMER 2009. How EXACTLY is it "rushed"? Just because you want a Singerman sequel, and KNOW you AREN'T getting one, don't make fucking stupid "doomsday" predictions. Makes you even MORE pathetic than you already are.
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I think I made my point.
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That's good enough for me.
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Such energy and power. Biggs can bring it. And a damn fine dramatic actor he can be. And get that blonde guy from the "my circle" cell phone commercials to be the Green Arrow. Now that would rock.
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Smallville did like a huge arc on the Justice League in season 5/6. The Smallville fan base is big enough to build a movie into it basing it just off what they did in those episodes. If theyre gonna start from scratch, its probably going to be another piece of crap thrown together for the sole reason to make money and action figures, and everyone will bash it. if its based off something that people can follow after theyve watched the movie. then i think it will do better. cant do just tom well as supe, do everybody tied to SM including stone, queen, and the rest. oh, and superman returns did blow, Kevin Spacey couldnt even save it.
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Waiting to happen.
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Christian Bale IS Batman. They should flash him some extra cash to remain The Dark Knight for the movie and keep the same tone for his characterization. But Tom Welling needs to be Superman in this flick. The sooner we can put to rest these lame rumors about Bryan Singer making another Superman flick with Brandon Routh and the rest of that cast, the better in my book (and many others).
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... is never going to let Tom be Superman. They're still having the "no tights, no flights" rule, so it's never going to happen on that show. A Smallville version JLA movie might be interesting, but there's no way that would happen. If they're worried about using a currently established Batman and Superman and wanting to go with a new face, there's no way they'd use Welling for the JLA movie either.
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It doesn't hold up and the movies really need to ignore the elements from them. I do that myself, just as I ignore the McCoy Era from the *Doctor Who* mythos. I personally do not like the writing on *Smallville* but you cannot beat its cast, and that is what should transition to the films. Brandon Routh does not look like Superman; Christopher Reeve was even buffer than him. We have the perfect cinematic Batman now, so we need the perfect cinematic Superman (and Lex)...those being Welling and Rosenbaum. Just free them from the lame scripts they keep on being handed.
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Motion captured CGI Alex-Ross paintings brought to life is the way to go. ICONIC is the way to go here, and perhaps Routh and Bale could voice Superman and Batman. No disrespect to Ryan Gosling, but he is a little young to play Batman, and casting him or Welling seems to be designed to appeal to the CW set. Not all fans of superhero movies are fans of Smallville. The movie needs to be an already established-JLA story, an origin movie, particularly one that involves the first-time meeting between Superman and Batman, is far too likely to be fucked up if not handled properly...and we all know that Warner's execs have their heads have their heads up their asses when it comes to this kind of movie (Batman and Robin, Steel, Ashton Kutcher, Catwoman, the list goes on).
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As long as the director has the right "artistic vision" for this project, we win. And in my opinion, that's even a more accurate estimation if either Welling or Routh is Superman. But then, they should also consider who is playing the other roles before deciding. Age and chemistry (or non-chemistry) with others in the group is another important factor, in such a group.
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Giffen Justice League FTW
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I hate you for reminding me of "Steel"
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Is there really any another choice?
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If there is a God.
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oh shit, well whatever. He can be a new hero who'll fight for gravy, mashed potatoes, and cranberry saaaauce! wooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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because noone of it comes true but its always fun to dream... Dwayne Johnson is already attached to the Captain Marvel movie SHAZAM!.. not to be confused with that Shaquille Oneal abomination KAZAAM. NOW.. Superman - Josh Brolin/Matthew Fox, Batman - Gerard Butler/Dominic Purcell, WW- Nadia Bjorin/Victoria Hill, Flash - RYAN F**KING REYNOLDS DAMMIT! THAT IS ALL!, LEX - Anthony Hopkins/CLancy Brown, Lois - Lauren Graham, GL - Tyrese Gibson/Insert rapper of the minute here (I've heard Commons name thrown about), It doesn't matter who plays martian manhunter as long as they get the voice right.
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Firstly, whoever it was that said Ray Liotta should play 'Shazam' - the characters name is Captain Marvel. Shazam is the name of the wizard who gave him his powers, and the word Billy Batson shouts to activate them. Ray Liotta would be a poor choice. Everyone knows if you want to cast Captain Marvel you need to cast the guy who played Puddy on Seinfeild, and the Tick in that show. He looks EXACTLY like him.
Secondly, Batman's suit isn't blue and grey. It's black and grey. The comic artists put a blue tint to the suit to give it definition on the page. It's black.
And if you are going with a Kingdom Come film you can't use Welling or Routh, they are too old. The characters are in their early-50s in this story, and the actors need to be as well. -
Obviously I meant to say that Welling and Routh are too YOUNG not old.
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You can't go wrong.
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Batman: Jim Caviezel - the master of tortured brooding.
Superman: Tom Welling - both warmly reassuring and physically powerful.
Wonder Woman: Kate Beckinsale - beautiful and athletic, but maybe too short.
Aquaman: Thomas Jane - the only man to make fish talking fearsome.
Green Lantern: Common - well, why not? He looks the part.
Martian Manhunter: Lawrence Fishburn - he's got the action background and the elder statesman gravitas.
Flash: Ryan Reynolds - great comidic timing with a buff body. -
Is one to consider for Superman.
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with his sidekick Lunchbox
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It's time for a full scale fan revolt against the corporate drones.
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Oct 14, 2007 8:11:57 PM CDT
Roth's Superman is a pussy and Welling is Superboy, not Man
by greatczarsghost
Roth is to skinny and sickly looking to play Superman. Sups is a Brick, not a wimpy twerp who hovers outside the window while watching Lois and almost crying (boo hoo) tears because he lost her to Cyclops. Super man is not a Pansy.
Welling is a great Superboy, but NOT a Superman. Superman is a mature confident and powerful late 30/early 40 confident kick ass powerhouse. Come on. this is the guy who stands toe to toe with darkside and wins. Wellings Superboy can't fill these red boots. -
I like Common in the role. Still won't see it unless Alex Ross has a hand in it.
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turned into a woman. He got himself a fuckin' period.
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Feels like an Arby's night.
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In a just and happy world, we would get: Bale + Welling.
In a lesser world, we would get: Bale + Routh.
In a tolerable world, we would get: 2nd Batman + Welling.
In a drab painful world, we would get: 2nd Batman + Routh.
In a hellish world full of retarded Hollywood execs, we would get: 2nd Batman + 3rd Superman.
Which world do we live in?
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WORST....IDEA......EVER.
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Did anyone catch that show Traveler on ABC this past summer? The actor Matthew Bomer looks very much like a apple pie, clean cut guy. He even acted like one on the show. He was also in Texas Chainsaw: The Beginning. Check out his pics at imdb. I'd like to know what other people think.
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Motion captured CGI Alex-Ross paintings brought to life is the way to go, and I would LOVE it if Waner's would take the chance and trust the audience to "get" a straight balls-to-the-wall Kingdom Come adaptation/interpretation, or maybe even one of the current JLA hardcover miniseries by Ross, JUSTICE. ICONIC is the way to go here, and perhaps Routh and Bale could voice Superman and Batman, but certainly older, established actors who can bring yje maturity and gravitas of the two heroes to life. No disrespect to Ryan Gosling, but he is a little young to play Batman, and casting him or Welling seems to be designed to appeal to the CW set. Not all fans of superhero movies are fans of Smallville. The movie needs to be an already established-JLA story; an origin story, particularly one that involves any kind of first-time meeting between Superman and Batman, or any of the other heroes for that matter, is far too likely to get fucked up if not handled properly...and we all know that Warner's execs have their heads up their asses when it comes to this kind of movie -- Batman and Robin, Steel (my apologies, haggardatbest, but this movie stains my memories as well), Ashton Kutcher, Catwoman, the list goes on.
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Is at LEAST 4 inches too short for Superman. Sorry, no thanks.
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Motion captured CGI Alex-Ross paintings brought to life is the way to go, and I would LOVE it if Warner's would take the chance and trust the audience to "get" a straight balls-to-the-wall Kingdom Come adaptation/interpretation, or maybe even one of the current JLA hardcover miniseries by Ross, JUSTICE. ICONIC is the way to go here, and perhaps Routh and Bale could voice Superman and Batman, but certainly older, established actors who can bring the maturity and gravitas of the two heroes to life. No disrespect to Ryan Gosling, but he is a little young to play Batman, and casting him or Welling seems to be designed to appeal to the CW set. Not all fans of superhero movies are fans of Smallville. The movie needs to be an already established-JLA story; an origin story, particularly one that involves any kind of first-time meeting between Superman and Batman, or any of the other heroes for that matter, is far too likely to get fucked up if not handled properly...and we all know that Warner's execs have their heads up their asses when it comes to this kind of movie -- Batman and Robin, Steel (my apologies, haggardatbest, but this movie stains my memories as well), Ashton Kutcher, Catwoman, the list goes on.
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He's DONE as Singerman. It's time for SUPERMAN.
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How incredibly pansified...the studio should be boycotted if Dean Cain were cast as Superman.
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He may be too short, in which case I didn't know his height, but don't you think he at least looks the part? While Brendan Fraser may be tall enough, don't you think too many people already associate him with other roles to take him seriously as Superman?
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would probably be turned down to be on Celebrity Apprentice, let alone a big-time JLA (or any other) film.
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I think Brandon Routh came across as very nice, upstanding, noble, heroic gay superhero. Kal El Vis is 100% right -- Routh's DONE as Singerman. It's time for SUPERMAN. That is, an actor who embodied Superman the way Christopher Reeve did, not an actor who embodies Christopher Reeve's portrayal of Superman. And it needs to be an actor who will make us believe that he'd actually be interested in Lois.
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Like 20 years older than Christian Bale. That way, it can be implied that the JL movie takes place sometime after the events of the Nolan Batman movies, and it will further establish the idea that the Nolan movies are about the young Batman/Bruce Wayne before he ever got involved working with other superheroes. The fans would get treated to an older, more mature Batman/Bruce Wayne. He, Jon and Supes (if they make him older, too) could be the mentors to the other League members. And they could have Nightwing show up in the JL sequel, too. My casting pick for the older Batman then would be Guy Pierce -- he's known but not so well known that he'd overwhelm the rest of the cast. Plus, he doesn't have the box office draw to star in a Batman-only flick, but in this ensemble his name would be sufficient. So, seriously, if the screenplay for this is being furiously rewritten before the strike, and the casting is still up in the air for Bat, make Bats older, Mr. Miller.
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It is an idea that a segment of geeks are convinced will have huge mass audience appeal. The basis of this idea is questionable.
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If not for this movie then someday. Look at the bone structure on that guy.
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I'd be shocked if we didn't get another Routh Superman movie. Even if it just made good money and nothing spectacular, they're gonna wanna keep their new franchise going. By the way, live action superheroes, especially JLA, could only really translate from comics if they are in immensely budgeted (far too much budget would be needed to feasibly do it) television shows. The ongoing serial storylines are necessary to comic book stories. Big blockbuster movies are held back by the need to have each story be a big, epic, blowout. For one moment, pretend money for each episode is no object and imagine a serious weekly hourlong drama version of Batman.
But back to the real point. This JLA movie's a bad idea. For general audiences, Flash, GL, etc would all be scene as supporting characters when compared to Batman and Superman. And, since in this flick, they'd be focused on two actors that are not playing them in other films, it just won't work. If WB wouldn't let Smallville have Bruce Wayne appear cuz of another movie in the works, how would they allow two Batmen in concurrent franchises? I dunno. It just all seems wrong. -
oh yeah
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my my
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that?ll be the day
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Oct 14, 2007 9:52:23 PM CDT
Why do people act like Smallville fans make a potential movie au
by stealthbeagle
The lobbying for Welling is bordering on ridiculous. Smallville draws less than five million viewers a week on free television. Millions upon millions of movie viewers don't give a shit about Smallville or Tom Welling, whereas nearly everyone who watches that show will go see a JLA movie no matter what. He is not getting cast in this movie.
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Keep Alex Ross away from this movie if it's got to happen. His costume designs are 50/50 at best. Did anyone see his Green Goblin and Spiderman designs he did before Raimi took over? The Goblin was only slightly better than the Power Rangers suit they went with, but the Spidey was just BADDDDDD. And his new Captain America sucks major ass. He's a wonderful technician, but only a so-so designer.
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What he said.
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think about it
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I'd actually pay to see this.
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or Talia Al Ghul, as I've posted on here for years. Hell, she could be Wonder Woman, Talia Al Ghul, or Catwoman for that matter.
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Really, now many versions of these characters have we already seen? It's Batman. It's Superman. It's Wonder Woman. Not exactly hard for ANYONE to figure out, regardless of how much
exposure they've had to the characters prior to this movie.
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She would be amazing as Selina AND Catwoman. No one
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Get used to that FACT. If there is going to be more Superman films, it will be with the JLA Supes. Anyone with a fully-functioning brain knows this. And the only people who say JLA is a "bad idea" are morons.
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Possible cast and their ages in 2008.
Paul Walker(35), Josh Hartnett(30), Christian Bale(34), Tom Welling(31), Ryan Reynolds(32), Guy Pearce(41), Jennifer Garner(36), Kate Beckinsale(35), Victoria Hill(30) James Caviezel(40), Thomas Jane(39), Brandon Routh(29), Seann William Scott(32), Tyrese Gibson(30), Shia LaBeouf(22), Nathan Fillion(37), Michael Keaton(57), Monica Bellucci(44), Jennifer Connelly(38), Megan Fox(22), Omar Epps(35),Chiwetel Ejiofor(34), Morris Chestnut(39), Common(36), Brendan Fraser(40), Lawrence Fishburn(47), Jake Gyllenhaal(28), Jason Lewis(37) -
After an exhaustive search, it is clear that the only woman fit to wear the spangled panties is Gina Torres. I defy anyone to say she isn't perfect, except for her race. And if you only object because of her race, you are a racist!
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Oct 14, 2007 11:08:19 PM CDT
DANE COOK IS BATMAN! TRENT REZNOR IS SUPERMAN! SHATNER IS ZOD!
by tallboy66
Shatner IS Zod!!
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It'll be #1 at the box office, guaranteed.
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A faithful, CG-animated adaptation of "Kingdom Come" just ain't gonna happen. Why? Conceptually, it's too esoteric a concept for the multiplex hordes, and the story, as told in Ross' seminal graphic novel, demands a running time far exceeding 240 minutes.
If Warner Bros. and, presumably, Dr. George Miller aren't keen on casting Routh and Bale, then the question has to be asked; how old are Superman and Batman gonna be in this flick?
Because the decision to re-cast these roles was surely predicated on something more legit than the subjective rejection of Routh and Bale, i.e., Superman and Batman being significantly older than they are in "Superman Returns" and "The Dark Knight", respectively.
All will be revealed in due course.
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as they want to be prison raped.
Snakes on a Plane! -
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3476&Itemid=99
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Miller is seeing about four or five actors for the parts of Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Flash, Aquaman, Green Lantern and the Martian Manhunter, with a few overlaps. A few nonhero parts might be testing as well.
On the roll call are Adam Brody (Fox's "The O.C."), Joseph Cross ("Running With Scissors"), D.J. Cotrona ("Windfall"), Mary Elizabeth Winstead ("Grindhouse"), Michael Angarano ("Sky High"), Teresa Palmer ("Wolf Creek"), Max Thieriot ("Jumper") and rapper Common.
The cast of NBC's "Friday Night Lights" is well-represented as well, with Minka Kelly, Adrianne Palicki and Scott Porter also among those testing for parts. No costumes are involved in the tests, which are being taped as actors read script pages.
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Miller, I had so much respect for you. Damn you sir. Damn you straight to hell.
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I cant believe it! By that logic, Batman would still be training or in college! WTF?!!! DAMN YOU MILLER!!
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IT'S FUCKING GEORGE MILLER, PEOPLE. Director of the MAD MAX trilogy. Visionary genius. Master of action sequences. Great with special effects. You are in good hands. Have some fucking faith. Personally I hope they don't hire that guy from the teen soap opera you're all talking about, but even if they do IT'S GEORGE FUCKING MILLER, he'll figure out how to make it work.
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Tom Welling looks TOO fucking young!!! If all of us thought Brandon Routh was not mature looking for the Superman role, he makes Welling look like a baby. Is this movie suppose to be taken seriously or are they targeting the WB show audience - and I'm not speaking of 'Smallville'. More like 'Charmed' and all those other stupid teeny bopper shows. This movie will do good in box office receipts no matter who they cast due to curiosity but will never be considered a classic with young boys and girls running around in tights.
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The casting news from Hollywood Reporter is more like Teen Titans than Justice League-Scott Porter could be Nightwing and Minka Kelly as Wonder Girl. I like George Miller but he may not be a comic book fan. He's doing WB corporate casting, maybe he feels he has to do JLA in order to get funding for Mad Max IV. I've posted this before but I feel for DC Comics being under WB, can't do anything without corporate getting involved while Marvel Films has the freedom to stay true to their creations. The JLA movie is looking more like a big-screen version of CW teen TV series.
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Give the kid a job, you'll be paying it forward for fuck's sake.
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Don't worry, it's not as vulgar as a child rape scene.
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otherwise they'll boycott the movie in Greece.
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These are the most iconic characters in the DC Universe. They are ADULTS. Full damn grown mid-30's adults. If you wanted them younger, you should have signed on to do Teen Titans.
This is complete garbage.
Justice League Batman is going to be younger than when he BEGAN his career in Batman Begins.
garbage
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because the world doesn't deserve a decent superhero movie.
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Just thinking of that gets me hard.
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Lance2769, turn on the tv sometime.
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This young casting is utter bullshit. Sorry, Vern, but there's no way this is gonna work as true JLA. It's totally Teen Titans and that's a fucking shame. Miller might be a good director, but it's clear he's in unfamiliar territory. He doesn't GET JLA. But oh well, after FF, X-Men, Singerman Returns, it's not like we've got any high hopes for a decent Superhero movie anyway.
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Probably a lack of ham at craft service is keep the A-Listers away.
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HE IS SUPERMAN HE'S MY ONLY CHOICE. BR WAS ALRIGHT BUT COME ON WB GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THE WANT AND RELAUNCH SUPERMAN WITH WELLING AS THE MAN OF STEEL THAT CHRIS REEVE APPORVED OF.
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I'm going to go away, to blow out my brains now.
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FF, Spidey 3, X-Men, Hulk, Ghost Rider ... nothing to drool over. Hollywood could not make another superhero movie and I wouldn't shed a tear. I'd rather read a comic book.
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Dude, chill -- "Batman Begins" is proof that God loves DC geeks.
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Because it's the only way they would greenlight it:
1) If the writers go on strike before they have a script, then this movie won't happen. 2) If the writers don't go on strike, this movie won't happen.
So the only way this movie will happen is if they get the script done AND the writers go on strike.
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the big fear here is that WB - not known for being very clever with their DC properties most of the time - is going to cock up the first-string roster of the JLA big time in one fell swoop, thus screwing things up for quite some time before we're able to see a single movie about any of the characters ever again.
The concern about casting and the release of the movie so soon after BB and SR being confusing to audiences is perfectly understandable. I went to a showing of Batman Begins with a friend who was just gobsmacked that the Joker didn't kill Wayne's parents, despite the fact that it had been stated for sometime that this film was part of a new series.
I do understand auteur theory. And it can bite a movie in the butt, too. Witness Superman Returns, a film I don't hate, but was victimized by the fact that I went to see a explodey summer blockbuster as opposed to Singer's personal statements onscreen. I'm none too inspired by this new endeavor. -
Michael from Prison Break is basically Bruce Wayne in prison
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she's perfect!
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they might think its rel
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Despite his age, Tom Welling has too much of the boyish-looks to be considered the mature looking Superman that would serve the movie some credibilty. Open up YOUR eyes!! THIS IS THE REASON HE PLAYS A YOUNG CLARK KENT IN 'SMALLVILLE' !!!!! Obviosuly, George Miller is considering a young cast for the terrible of an actress - Jessica Biel was rumored a few weeks ago to be in the running for Wonder Woman SO you posting the actors and their ages is not shedding new light to anyone here. It's assinine for you to say that Tom Welling won't be in this because he looks too mature. You need to turn on the TV sometime and realize he's not in the running because he's a horrible actor (afterall he did get thrown off a previous soap opera show).
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dickhead. Routh was thrown off a soap show. Welling looks like a man, watch the new season. Second, watch the episode Splinter if you think he is a bad actor, and third he is playing Superman which he is playing extremely well, not a Daniel Day-Lewis character. Man you are fucking stupid. He looked young and was a spotty actor in the first season but he's completly different now. Does the pic of him as supes I posted look like a teen or someone in their mid-late 20's. Donate your eyes to someone who deserves it cunt.
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have you ever thought that maybe people hate Superman Returns because it was a shit movie? I was pretty much expecting it to be better than smallville and for smallville to end because of it. Nope. The movie was a shit movie. That's it. Wake the fuck up, i don't care if you like it, but to say that there is no other reason but because people like to complain means you need to take the cock out of your ass so it doesn't rub your brain.
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watch the season 6 finale and the season 7 premiere and tell me he wouldn't make a good supes. obviously he is physically perfect for the part, he looks like Jim Lee's Superman and he's a huge guy, same height as Supes. But apart from that he nails the everyman quality of supes, the selflessness and the compassion and nobility and he does it without being a boy scout. It's a grounded portrayal of Superman and it works. theres not much to it if the 5 episodes you watched were in the first season, besides if you were smart you'd realize he is years away from being supes, it'd be like saying Bale wasn't Batman based on the flashback scene from his early 20's, no shit people change in years, and you can see Welling's Clark is becoming more and more Superman, he still has to travel overseas, get heavily into journalism(which doesn't happen till his mid 20's) and he only decides to become proactive as a superhero right before he actually becomes one. i can't believe people are so stupid to say 'he's not supes' and not realize that it's a younger version. fuck people are stupid.
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You're over-analyzing the casting. It's very simple to understand if you're in the film industry but obviously you're not. The casting is based on ROI - Return On Investment. Who will give you the best bang for your dollar and return profit to the financiers in doing so. Tom Welling could never do that. That is why he's out of the running. He's a terrible actor and will never cross over to a decent film because he is now typecast from playing a teen/young adult for so many years BECAUSE his BOYISH looks have allowed him to. To get into the pyschosis of a make believe character like 'Smallville's' Clark AND to spend such wasted effort creating these fantasy photoshop'd pics is to suggest to all reading your comments that you don't get out much and have invested seven years of your life salivating at the start of the new 'Smallville' season each year. Get out sometime, meet some women, stash away the comics and get ourself a decent job. And double check your sources before you try to correct me on who was kicked off a previous soap opera.
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In the real gray and blue/black Batman costume? Or will this be just another in the long series of Blackscubasuitman movies?
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...about him being foisted on Europe because you don't want his ignorant, racist ass in the States. We certainly don't want him over here, so you guys'll have to find somewhere else to send him. Maybe the heart of the sun.
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BURN!
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A Batman trilogy with Christian Bale, directed by Chris Nolan. Which this steaming heap of SHITE has put in jeopardy. Someone really needs to find whatever exec is responsible for this fucking awful decision, and dangle him from a tall building Dark Knight Returns-style.
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Okay dont know what happened with my 2 previous posts.
But I have hope for one reason and one reason only GEORGE MILLER!
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Plus he made "Witches of Eastwick", he's got all the range needed. I kinda like the young cast possibility...unknowns growing into the roles. Just hope they get some mediterranean/exotic looking young lady as WW.
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It would´t. It won´t.
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BJ Routh was FIRED from One Life To Live due to his HORRIBLE acting. Welling was NEVER on a soap opera, unless you consider "Judging Amy" one. But since it was NOT on during the daytime, it's WASN'T. BJ looking "older" than Welling? Fuck, you have issues young fella....
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He just doesn't come off as Superman. Welling is an incredibly cardboard actor. Chris Reeve did it -- there's somebody else out there who could do it, too. But Routh and Welling aren't it.
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Thank you for the compliment, "young fella.." though in age, I'm in my thirties. Although we are on the topic of Superman, you should not let your delusional and pretentious screenname of "KAL EL VIS" pass off as a front- of-the-line pass to Tom Welling fanboy knowledge. Check YOUR FUCKIN RESOURCES FIRST BEFORE POSTING YOUR PATHTEIC COMMENTS. And if you don't have resources, then it might occur to you that there are some of us readers out here that work in the industry and have 'inside' knoweledge on things that only insiders would know. In 2001, Ashton Kutcher (who is Tom's good friend and helped him get into acting) got Tom an audition for a part on 'General Hospital' in which Tom was hired on for a bit part. After 1 - YES count it... 1 freakin rehearsal, Tom was let go. Yes, I know. This happens to many actors, EVERYDAY - even to some that go on to great film careers but Tom does not fall into that category unless a Tom Welling fanboy such as yourself wants to count 'The Fog' and 'Cheaper By the Dozen' as great achievements. I suggest that you get together with Messi, go out and down a few drinks and ponder the pathetic lives that is encapsuled by your tiny comic book fanboy worlds and fantasize about what Smallville's season 8 may have to offer.
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Puffy ain't makin' some baggy trou for the Dark Knight?
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Maybe just a cameo by them. They are too big for this movie.
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So, he didn't work out on General Hospital. Since he went on to STAR on a PRIME TIME show for 7 seasons now, and BJ Routh was a HORRIBLE Singerman and has done JACK SHIT since, your assinine ramblings are PATHETIC. Is your "wiw feewings" hurt that there will be NO sequel to Singerman Repugnant, asshair? Guess what? NO ONE FUCKING CARES. Except maybe mommy. And even then it's a toss-up.
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Says "check your resources", followed by "and have 'inside' knoweledge on things that only insiders would know"?? So, he can make-up ANYTHING and pass it off as "inside knowledge"? Well, I have "inside knowledge" on the topic of human intelligence. Here's a little tidbit: YOU have NONE. And since it is "inside knowledge", it is INDISPUTABLE. Right asshole?
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Oct 15, 2007 11:41:04 AM CDT
'Intelligence' is the wrong word to use by someone who has a har
by lance2769
You can question anything I have to write on this forum KAL EL VIS, but it still (1) doesn't change the facts, (2) it doesn't make Tom Welling any better of an actor and (3) it doesn't conceal that you are among a handful of hardcore 'Smallville' faithfuls on here that will once again pout and cry because your fanboy idol was once again passed over for the Superman part. Deal with it!! And try putting better sentences together before replying next time so at least someone can understand what you're trying to say.
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Would read AND comprehend what I worte. Thanks for proving me correct. The FACT that Welling has been on a, once again for the SLOW shithead, PRIME TIME show for 7 YEARS "proves" he is a "better actor". Your continued use of childish "labeling" shows YOU fall into that tiny group of morons who "liked" Singerman Repugnant. Guess what? Thursday I'll be watching a BRAND NEW episode of SV. You? Keep waiting for that Singerman sequel you'll NEVER get. I win, fucko.
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...NIPPLES FOR EVERYONE!!!
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Hey dumb cunts. I only started watching smallville in 2005. It seems like you need to get out or moreso crawl back into your mother's womb and continue developing because you are that fucking stupid. You can't say he's a bad actor if you haven't seen the episode Splinter from season 5.
Does this look like a kid?
http://tinyurl.com/2osudg
http://tinyurl.com/yw4dt2
No. Fuck you. And again you are so stupid, you think a name is going to make a difference, by your logic, by return for your buck, they should hire Tom Cruise to play Superman. My god you are fucking stupid. You think it's going to make a difference to the general public so much that JLA will lose money if Welling is cast? Many comic book fans and movie fans want Welling, the others don't care. By your logic Bale shouldn't of been Batman because he didn't guarantee a return, I mean who apart from film fans knew who he was? If you think I should watch movies and read comic books then forget them and just see them as mindless time wasters then you must be fucking retarded and very uneducated, just an idiot who likes big explosions and thinks like a typical mainstream fuckhead. You sound like a 5 year old who would think Batman is just a movie with a guy who fights people and it is 'cool', if that was the case Comic Books would have died a long time ago and Batman Begins would have been completly mindless. There's a reason the characters have lasted this long because they've been given layers and dimensions, something everybody says about the Begins batman which is like the comics, they delve into his psychosis and it's why so many people think it's the best Batman. But you think anybody who looks at characters as anything more than guys who fight and something you forget is an idiot who needs to get out more. I guess every single writer and actor who deals in fictional characters also need to get out more and meet women, it's stupid to think abotu characters and their mentallities. You probably listen to shitty music too. I grew up in the hardcore scene, I listen to Isis, Mogwai, Botch, Fugazi which makes me better and more cultured than you. So who has more taste and who's opinion is more respectable? You sound like some jock who says 'comics are for nerds' what the fuck are you doing on a film geek site then dumb cunt? Enjoy your celebrity magazines and your Kate Hudson and Matthew McConaughey movies fuckhead. -
are you fucking retarded or something? this is a fanboy website.
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... Damn this thing is making everyone here insane.... this Welling vs. Routh pissing match is worse than Sunnis and Shiites. As much as I like George Miller, I hope this whole mess falls apart, it was a bad idea to begin with, dumbf**k corporate suit decision to greenlight it, dumbf**k nerdboys fighting over stupid, superfluous bullsh*t without realizing the real f**kups this thing will cause (i.e. ruining the Nolan Batman franchise, ending any chance of another Superman film, either with Singer, or a Hulk-style reboot, ending any chance of any more DC characters being adapted to movies for years to come)... because you all know this thing will be an unmitigated fubar!
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I liked xmen as much as the next sweaty, mouth-breating nerd, but do we need to redo it with the cast of the OC? Might as well have an OC type show with DC characters. Whatdya call it? "The DC" ...or "utter crap"
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I agree. As much as i'd love to see Welling as Superman, this is all bad timing and it will ruin Nolan's Trilogy.
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I have been reading this site for a long time but it wasn't until I read your posts that I decided to post. Your logic is some stupid shit. This is a site full of comic book geeks, how can you say that someone seems like a loser because they look into the mind of a superhero? That would make all comic book writers losers and those that write the movies losers, you could say that Christopher Nolan needs to get out more because he spends time psychoanalyzing a fictional character. What are you doing on this site?
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Instead of DEALING with that FACT, he chooses to "attack" a more PROFITABLE franchise. And in case you didn't catch on, he is probably some "extra" who wants to claim "insider info". He wants to BE Welling, rather than Dinner Scene Extra #145.
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With this movie as well...you can't do cool superhero battles and such without using a good bit of CGI. So some motion capture may just help those scenes but you don't need it with they are sitting around shooting the shit in the Hall of Justice or when Superman is trying to get into Wonder Woman's panties. Those scenes don't need mocap. So half and half would be great although I doubt it will happen because it is the best solution.
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Regardless of this film, it might be pushed back, but no one in Singer's camp has indicated any otherwise and are currently still planning it. And for those that did not like Superman Returns, it's still possible for Singer to learn from his mistakes and knock the next one out of the park like he did with X2.
The reason they are making JLA before SR2 is because they already have a script and it's supposed to be a really good one, so this movie could be good. Just understand that it's not going to be possible to get Bale involved, because he doesn't want to work with anyone other than Nolan. But that still isn't enough reason for it not to be made. Just make it very different and very separate.
Half Mo-cap, Half actors could mean some of the cast is Mo-Cap, like Martian Manhunter, the villians, etc. and some are actors. -
... Hope this doesn't mean we're gonna have some crapass-CGI Wonder Dog a la Scooby Doo! Or are they going with the "Zann and Jayna" era instead of Marvin and Wendy? Crap-CGI Gleek, then.
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No two people seem to agree on this topic. That's to be expected. They're dealing with icons here. I used to joke that I'd be too old to care by the time they made this movie. Now that it appears it's happening, I have mixed emotions. On one hand, I say, "Why the hell not?" I mean these characters have only been around for like, decades, and thanks to to advances in sfx, they should finally be able to do a live-action League justice, no pun intended. But then there are the the little details that can make or break a movie. We've seen so many concepts that should've been slam-dunks mangled because the filmmakers didn't learn from past mistakes and didn't stop to ask a few important questions. Things like, Is the screenplay not shit? Was it written by someone who has at least a nodding acquaintence with the source material? Does the dialogue have that savvy, Whedonesque pop? Do all the characters, like in the best movies, develop, have an arc, and get their moment to shine? Does the director have the creative potential to master this beast? And perhaps most importantly, are the actors' heads in the game? Do they have the chops to deliver convincing performances, and can you visualize people saying ten years down the road "Yeah, they did quite well in that role?" For me, all superhero-based movies require a carefully sustained atmosphere. Not just any conditions will do. That's the reason the Spider-Man and X-Men movies worked for the most part, and Batman Begins was the cinematic Dark Knight we'd been waiting for. And I feel this particular propery may require even more attention. I don't think I'm alone here when I tell you that when I've fantasized about this movie, nothing less than an epic on the scale of Star Wars, or The Lord of the Rings films will suffice. I last heard the villains were going to be Maxwell Lord and the OMACs. Guess you gotta start somewhere. Hope springs eternal. We'll keep holding on for Darkseid and the Injustice League til Hollywood cathes up.
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Didja see MAD MAX BEYOND THUNDERDOME? And even if it had been great, the director is seldom the author of the film. Even with MAD MAX, we had Terry Hayes scripting, Gibson's performance, the stunt coordinator, etc. Hell, maybe Wez just FELT like pulling the arrow out of his arm and it looked cool so Miller kept the camera rolling.And nobody is going to be the auteur of a JLA movie. You can't give the director credit for decades of comic book writing and art, the costume design, the FX.Maybe Woody Allen is still an auteur but that's about it.
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Singer's "Camp" has been quiet since the JLA film was announced. When they announce the cast for JLA, as well as the actor playing Superman for MORE than ONE film, maybe the Singertologists will FINALLY let it sink in. BJ Routh didn't cut it as Supes, and Singer was the WRONG MAN for the job.
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or Val Kilmer maybe?
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that explains the quiet. wishful thinking to say it's not still happening. it's coming like more batman films are coming.
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You know, there is nothing wrong with arguing passionately for something you believe in – especially on a fan site such as this. It’s just that you guys argue with such vitriol, that I can't help wonder if you're Tom Welling's agents. Messi, I haven't seen ‘Splinter’, but I'm assuming Clark is in a coma for that episode and some other character has to find a cure or something? That's pretty much the only way his acting will improve. Unless maybe Clark turns into Anthony Hopkins and then Pete has to find a cure to reverse it. Look, I'm kidding here, I really don't give a shit one way or the other who gets cast, but I'm just saying... Tom Welling belongs on a billboard for Calvin Klein underwear, not in a JUSTICE LEAGUE film. While I'm setting people straight, I'm not sure who told you there isn't going to be a sequel to SUPERMAN RETURNS Kal, but, um, there is. It's being written by Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris, has a title (it's called MAN OF STEEL at the moment), and rumour has it Singer asked Terrence Stamp on the set of VALKYRIE if he would return as General Zod. That last bit may turn out to be false, but wish all you might – the film is still very much on the agenda.
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Allow the written words of brokentusk to sink in a little BEFORE you decide to post further immature postinga. It's no secret that all three of you are die hard 'Smallville' fans. You can sense it in the anger of the words you choose when you write in defense to anyone on this forum who mentions that Tom Welling or 'Smallville' suck. Take it easy guys. Take deep breaths and settle down a little. It's not the end of the world here. Kal El Vis: Quit being in denial. I don't know where you're getting your info from but the Superman sequel is still on track. You didn't get Superman, the movies BUT you will always have 'Smallville' on dvd bud so don't fret! Messi - get yourself a social life and quit THINKING that you're the superhero. We all know that getting into the psychosis of a character is necessary but that is for actors and directors NOT for fanboy arguments on who is the better LOOKING Superman for this movie - THAT was my argument from the beginning - not the pyshosis part of the character. AmericanNightmare: It's nice to see that you finally decided to join us - sorry, it had to be due to our indifferences but you misunderstood me. I never said that those that look into the mind of a superhero are losers. I brought up comics because I was merely making a point that for the sake of a good argument, lets us speak in lamens terms and not superhero, comic book babble BS. If you read Messi and Kal El Vis's comments, they read like an illiterate's poor man's idea of non-sense rhetoric. These guys are soooo into their comic book worlds that they have lost all touch with reality (as is evident with Kal El Vis' insistent lies that a Superman sequel is not in the works) and neither can put together a decent sentence without steering away from the topic and dwelling into comic lives or 'Smallville' piss parties they have. Comics are great. People that read them are great (I have a few expensive rare ones myself) but it's all about balancing your life and doing it so that when they speak or in this case, they write, they don't come off sounding like they've only graduated from the 8th grade.
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That's what I'd tell Warner Bros. myself. Let Nolan direct a new Superman trilogy and make it the mirror opposite of Batman as it should be. Plan on it for 3 or 4 years down the road. Tell the CW to cancel *Smallville*. Then take the best actors from the series and cast them. Make it loosely connected to the series just as Singer's film practiced selective continuity with the Donner films. That way you can excise the krap storylines and ignore them. For one, ignore the fact that Jonathan Kent was killed off in the series due to Warner Bros. Pictures dictating it and restore that character to these films. Byrne up the mythos even more just as Nolan & Goyer synthesized some of the best continuity from the Batman mythos for their films so far. And that's how you do it.
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Do what Nolan and Warner Bros. should have done...do not cast Heath Ledger in the role of The Joker...cast Christopher Eccleston instead.
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Just remember folks, Welling and Routh both auditioned for *Smallville* originally. And we all know who won that round.
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Oct 15, 2007 7:42:16 PM CDT
messi, get past your "Smallville" bias and wake up from your ign
by kal reeve
I said very clearly that there are people who dislike "Superman Returns" for valid reasons. But you have to be a downright dumb and ignorant individual to not notice that some people on this site hate the film because it's the hip thing to do amongst most of the aintitcool fanboys.
And it's not hard to figure out your motive when you do nothing but praise "Smallville" and tear into "Superman Returns." You're a "Smallville" fanboy and you know it.
And even though I enjoy the movie, I will be the first to admit it does have some flaws. -
Hopefully.
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"And I know all the TV fans love Tom Welling. His name has been rumored with this project from the beginning. I'm sure he's great... I've seen more than a few SMALLVILLE episodes, but if they're not going to keep in continuity with the existing films (which is perfectly fine), then I'd be more in favor of someone who isn't already associated with Superman.
What do you folks think?"
I think your a fucking idiot!
Tom Welling is this generations face to the character of Superman like how Chris was before him.
Singer already fucked this up once, and the end result the movie tanked, and they didn't turn a profit heck they lost money on that movie.
So now what another dumbass director who won't cast the actor that the fans want? It's not just Smallville tv fans just ask anyone, and even non fans of the show have told me that they rather have Welling because he simply "looks like Superman" well DUH! He is a good young actor who by the comic book gods was chosen to play this role, and he has made it his own, and the fans along with the late Mr Reeve himself handed him the torch as the new Superman.
To not Cast this guy, and cast another queer eye for the man of steel guy actor would be a joke!
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There WON'T be a sequel, morons. Have you idiots heard word ONE from ANYONE since the JLA story broke? Of course not, but in your fantasy world of Bluetights and other shill-sites, REALITY just WON'T set-in. And the fact you shitheads take that STUPID Stamp rumor as "confirmation" SHOWS how fucking pathetic you assholes are. Those of us with an ounce of common-sense LAUGH at losers like you. ESPECIALLY losers like lance. Hey, going to be a background extra in an episode of Hannah Montana soon? Should I look for the 350lb PERVERT with bad acne? You suck. These losers are pissed off because they WON'T get a creepy, dead-beat, crybaby Singerman again. Don't wear out your DVD's of Singerman Repugnant, boys. It's not easy finding replacement copies. Well, unless you look in the "discount bin" at K-Mart maybe.
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because of the shitty scripts Smallville has been crapping all over us over the years... I watched at first... but after 3 years of contemplating the hopless moron they turned Clark Kent into, i completely lost interest... that and the utter whiny Lana Lang... Chloe and Lois were okay... Rosenbaum as Luthor is passable, but the problem of that series is that it should have lasted only 2 or 3 seasons... How much time are they gonna keep strechting the story? By all accounts Clark should have donned the suit 3 seasons ago... If I have to go with a tv supes, I'd rather go with Dean Cain than the continously stunned faced Welling... He looks kind of Robert Hays in "Airplane!"
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are you two the same fucking person? and can i just inform you that reports are coming in that a singer sequel will get an earliest release date of 2011 and singer has said he'll jump it if it isn't 2009, 2011 is too far away. I get it now, you are superman returns fanboys. Unfortunately most people here hate that shitty movie.
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I'm a superman fan. Not a smallville fanboy, I was pretty much certain Superman Returns was going to be amazing. It was just a horrible film. Horrible. And I compared it to smallville and like many people realized "holy shit, they have a fraction of the budget yet make something far more entertaining and actually have comic book action scenes". That's the attitude. Yeah sure alot of people hate because it's cool, but that's with star wars, most message boards apart form supermanhomepage and bluetights.net either hate or are very mxied about superman returns. you're kidding yourself if you think most people liked the movie. it was shit. had bad word of mouth which is a major indicator of peoples feelings.
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by the way, you sound like a typical right wing cunt saying "well i haven't seen it but it still must be shit", that's like saying Heath ledger is a shitty actor based on 10 things I hate about you and a knights tale. Plus Anthony Hopkins is one of the most overrated actors in the world, he only gets propbs because he's british and old. You are fucking stupid.
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