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Rumor of the day: a tasty morsel about Bryan Singer's sequel to SUPERMAN RETURNS!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I've got a sweet little hunk of a rumor to share with you folks. This comes from an untested source, but one that should know what he/she/it is talking about. This person has personally observed Bryan Singer at work on VALKYRIE and apparently he has been putting pressure on one of his cast members to return to his star-making role as a villain in Singer's SUPERMAN sequel. That, of course, would be Terence Stamp and the role would be that of General Zod. Sure, it's possible this is BS, it's possible that even if it's true that Singer just likes to kid around with Stamp and it could have been misinterpreted. But I gotta say... I love it. I don't think Zod needs to be a young man and the idea of Zod as played by Stamp returning has me excited. If they follow the continuity, I suppose Zod could have survived the end of Superman II and maybe having his powers stripped caused the aging he would have done in the phantom zone to catch up to him. Maybe? Or maybe they'll just start anew, which I would like a bit better. I like SUPERMAN RETURNS, but I felt that it kind of painted itself into a corner using the established rules of Donner's originals. What do you folks think?


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  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Why do I get the feeling...

    by Redfive!

    BS wont be doing this?,just liek kevin smith wont be doing red state.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Would I be sacreligious for saying...

    by blindambition238

    I'd rather have a Superman Reboot and just leave the Donner films as they were?

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:14 a.m. CST

    On the subject of Stamp...

    by blindambition238

    I think that Stamp would of made a better movie Magneto than Mckellen in retrospect. He has the acting skill but still can be menacing despite his age.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:14 a.m. CST

    If this is true, the why?

    by Varakor

    Just why? why not use a fresh villiam from the supes villian line up and get out of the Donner spotlight? Braniac would be a great villian! God damn it Singer, make your own damn movie! SR was a big steaming turd. UGH!! I hope this is not true

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:19 a.m. CST

    I know you all hated it...

    by jarodvhale

    but there were certain things about SR that were done reallt really well....there was also a lot of expectation...he didn't fck it up in my eyes...so the table has been set for ZOd to come and the movie not to suck.....

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:20 a.m. CST

    We all want this Sequel!!

    by boyblue

    That's absolutely the Truth!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:21 a.m. CST

    The Donner Cut

    by Mr Chuff

    Was it jujst me or was Zod less camp in the Donner Cut? They seemed to use different takes of the same dialogue and as a character he was less...poofy. Dont get me wrong...I love Superman II and the Donner Cut was cool to see. I'd be up for more Zod.....!!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Oh and...

    by Mr Chuff

    Fuck the JLA movie WB's. Thanks.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Be your own man

    by BurntRectum

    Singer did a great job in his previous movies because he made them original. I'm not necessarily against Terence Stamp but the past was the past and Superman has other good enemies (BRAINIAC!!!) to choose from.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Brainiac is good, Darkseid would be better

    by blindambition238

    imagine Superman versus an entire planet of earth invaders, and 1 vs. 1,000 fight scenes...

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:34 a.m. CST

    I am Batman was FIRST

    by boyblue

    The first to point out that I have good taste in Film. Thanks Butthole!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Jude Law should be Zod

    by Retlaw Kciuq

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4 a.m. CST

    Maybe Stamp should just come back as Wilson from "The Limey"...

    by JackBauer@CTU

    and keep telling Supes, "Tell me about Jenny!" As much as I was disapointed with SR, I am willing to give Singer one more try. I tried watching SR again the other day on HBO, and say what you want about style, about homage, about whatever. SR committed the ultimate sin of any movie and that's that it was BORING - plain and simple Stamp returning as Zod is a million times better than that rumor of Jude Law up for the part. I just hope Zod returns with Non...and URSA! Holy shit, was she hot!!! I always wished it was Ursa who decked Lois, and told her, "You know something? You're a real pain in the neck!"

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:02 a.m. CST

    The fact that nobody want this.

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    COULD be the reason, it comes out of nowhere and rocks balls. But to do that, how bout some new villains? Oh and some fucking action.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:06 a.m. CST

    i want a sequel, but not this sequel, not yet...

    by coachaaron

    it's freakin' superman! the action scenes in superman returns were unbelievable, but i want something even bigger in scope for the next go round. i think brainiac seems to be the obvious/correct choice to be the villain. although this stamp/zod idea is very interesting, maybe it would better be used in a possbile 3rd film, maybe getting set up at the end of the sequel.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Kneel before ZOD!

    by raw_bean

    Terence Stamp rules, and I personally really enjoyed SR. Colour me interested. :^)

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:07 a.m. CST

    If I wanted a gay lovefest sequel

    by Paulseta

    I'd watch Batman and Robin again (shudder). Speaking of which, living in Sydney was friggin hilarious during the making of Superman Returns. Singer was a regular visitor to a notorious gym around the corner. Some of the crew had some pretty funny stories. They also had some pretty eye raising tales of a certain N Kidman during the filming of a certain red movie of a couple of years back that kind of demolished her carefully cultivated image - but that's another story :-)

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:08 a.m. CST

    I want to see it !

    by Bellock

    "Superman Returns" is one of the best superhero movie ever. It combined the scope of an epic and the nostalgia of a very personal movie. I can't wait to see the sequel !!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:08 a.m. CST

    I think it would be awesome

    by doctor_gonzo

    I have actually been hoping for this for a while. Terrence Stamp is still a bad ass, probably even more of a bad ass then when he did Superman II.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Interesting, but will it work?

    by Joeri

    As a big fan of the first three movies I at first liked the idea of the Singer Superman movie leaning so heavily on what Richard Donner had done. But in the end I had to admit that Superman Returns really let me down. So that's probably the most important reason to go ahead with the new movie I think. Bringing Zod back seems very interesting though. Zod is human now and must probably rely on high-tech armour to beat the Man from Steel. Sounds very much like the confrontation between Batman and Superman in the Frank Miller comic about The Dark Knight. High-tech versus superpowers. Sounds like a great story!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns - A Great Film, Worthy of the Greatest Superher

    by Kal Reeve

    "Superman Returns" is a soulful, majestic film. But several aintitcool regulars who are quick to tear into it for being slow. I am willing to wager that these regulars are same people who panicked when Bay and McG were considered as potential directors of the film. These regulars were scared that either of these directors would render the World's Greatest Superhero as a hollow muscle-head at the head of a souless action extravaganza. But they reacted with scorn when Singer delivered a thoughtful film that delves into Clark's lonliness and longing to be accepted once again by both his true love and his the people of his adopted planet. This was a beautiful, lyrical film. And let's get a few things straight. First, Clark was not portrayed as a dead beat dad. He did not even know Lois was having his son. And he certainly was justified in searching for Kryptonian survivors. It is heroic to save all lives, even ones light years away. Second, he was not stalking Lois. Clark had been away for half a decade, and of course he was anxious to find out how the love of his life was doing. And checking in on her at her home was clearly the only way he could find out about Lois' life. She was not giving Clark the time of day and was angry with Superman. It was his only option. I will concede there are a few problems, primarily Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane. She would have been a perfect Lana Lang, or even Supergirl, but she had no business portraying the sharp, gutsy, brassy, yet sweet and sensitivie, Lois. She was completely wrong for the role; Rachel McAdams, Selma Blair or Evangeline Lilly would have been far better choices. In regards of Routh...well...I cannot imagine any current actor delivering a performance more true to the Man of Steel. For me Christopher Reeve was, is and always will be the one and only Superman. However, Routh did a worthy job in honoring his cinematic predecessor and the iconic hero he portrayed. His performance reflected the nobility and humanity of Clark Kent/Superman. And with that, I could not ask for more.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns - Great Film, Worthy of the Greatest Superhero

    by Kal Reeve

    That's what I meant for the title of the previous post to be.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns sucked my asshole.

    by i kick tits

    I left the theater liking Lois Lane's husband more than I did Superman.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Is Spacey still attached/connected to this thing?

    by blindambition238

    I hope not- I defiantly had enough of the campy Lex Luthor thats been in these movies. They should have at least used the pseudo-redo status of Returns to make him a threat rather than a nuisance.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Lois Lane Returns

    by criticalbliss

    Superman Returns sucked. Admit it. It was about Stalker-man and anorexic Lois and their love-child. The action had no dramatic tension (superman is indestructible, after all) and was poorly staged. While I liked the spirit of sticking with the FAR superior Donner films, in truth, Singer fell short by miles. This despite the fact that Routh was actually perfect for the role. It was the one thing I thought that would go wrong; instead, everything else did. Spacey sucked and so did the script and directing. I'll give Singer another chance, but he screwed up Returns. There is no dispute.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns - cinematic abomination

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Whereas the Donner original soared this Superman had clay feet. Everything about this movie sucked. I get a sore head just thinking about it. If you were to display Hackman and Spacey's Luthor performances side by side Spacey would be so embarrassed he would retire from acting. Routh and the rest of the young cast were horribly bland, the Superkid idea is one of the worst things i've ever seen at the movies...the whole thing made no plausible dramatic sense. Total and utter bollocks.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:45 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns rocked.

    by TheNorthlander

    What's with the hate? That's fucking emo. "Leave the sequels alone! Leave them alone!!! They're having a hard time! Superman Returns sucked and nobody wants it!!"<br> <br> Lame.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Casting Stamp

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Just one more sign of Singer's creative bankruptcy.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:52 a.m. CST

    Could try harder...

    by batmans_pants

    Is this the best this man can give us? After doing what was pretty much a straight remake of Superman, he is now not only going to do a remake of Superman 2, but hire the same actor? Jeez man. I just lost any interest in a SR sequel. Unless they kick Singers ass off teh project and give it anyone with an original idea, or even someone who will use one of the numerous other villains in teh Superman universe. better still think of a new one!!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:01 a.m. CST

    I'm with I Am Batman

    by spud mcspud

    Nobody gives a shit any more. Even fucking McG's version of SUPERMAN sounds sweet to me at this point. At least we might get Cameron Diaz as Lois Lane.<P> Crispin Glover as Mr Mzxlpitcwhofuckingcares? That could work!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:01 a.m. CST

    I don't know a single person who enjoyed Superman Returns

    by barnaby jones

    Why is this sequel being made again ?

  • He did well with Superman Returns and has promised to step it up a gear for the sequel, so what's to complain about? And for Fucks sake just because someone is gay it doesnt render them incapable of making films, you bunch of homophobic basement dwellers!! End of rant, back to work.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Brandon Routh

    by spud mcspud

    I should say, at this point, that Brandon Routh is welcome to stay on as Superman. He was pretty fucking good - it was the movie that sucked.<P> An Act 3 that had the hero unconscious in the back of a Cessna, flown by his romantic rival, with his love riding shotgun, while they outrun a HUGE FUCKING WAVE??? That is so NOT what the climax of a movie should be.<P> Thank Christ and all the angels this fucknut Singer isn't doing LOGAN'S RUN. That is all.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:05 a.m. CST

    Boyblue

    by spud mcspud

    SUPERMAN RETURNS didn't suck because its director is gay, it sucked because its director is talentless.<P> Some of us have no trouble keeping them separate. SR was just a fucking awful movie. And I don't care if Singer's gay or not - he's an overrated director. End of.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Simon Pegg as ZOD!

    by Wonderboys

    Nick Frost as NON! Some bitch as Ursa!!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:14 a.m. CST

    I hope this rumor is true!

    by cameron1975willi

    I have written a script that has ZOD, Ursa and Non encased in ice and Kryptonian crystal (after the events of Superman II) below the Fortress of Solitude and Luthor discovers this and frees them!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Christ. Two seconds ago you were all singing Bryan's praises

    by TheNorthlander

    When he made The Usual Suspects and the X-men films. Calling him a hack now says a lot more about you than it does about him.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:21 a.m. CST

    bad idea I think

    by Volstaff

    When is Singer going to do something interesting with Superman instead of just regurgitating what Donner already did?

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:22 a.m. CST

    spud mcspud

    by boyblue

    You are one of the few who can seperate the 2! Well done. Although I disagree with you about Singer and Superman Returns. That is all..

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:24 a.m. CST

    Oh and I forgot to mention

    by boyblue

    I dont beleive in God

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:26 a.m. CST

    barnaby jones

    by boyblue

    I know plenty who DID, nah nah, nah nah nah!!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:27 a.m. CST

    GUS GORMAN RETURNS

    by GCH888

    ... nuff said. And Robert Vaughn will make a brief cameo as Ross Webster. Suddenly the Justice League movie got a lot more interesting. Bryan Singer is just remaking the original movies ... in chronological order.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:28 a.m. CST

    no,no,no....

    by RockLobster800

    As much as I love Stamp as Zod, the problem with (well one of the problems with) Superman Returns was that it was too closely involved with the Donner/Lester films of the '70's...and this just proves it. I mean Singer revamped the X Men to his own needs (did a great job with Rogue until the third film missed the point of her ENTIRELY....theres a rant there thats desperate for air but....another time) but why cant he put his own mark on Supes? I have no problem with him keeping the music, but Jesus Bryan man, you can build a franchise on its own legs, ya dont need to have Spaceys Gene Hackman impression, or have constant comparisons to Chris Reeve....just get Brainiac or something we havent seen already in. Thats all I ask...theres a good set up for him already...just say that when Kal-El returned TO Kyrpton he met Brainiac and fought him, assumed he was defeated and thought not to tell anyone incase they'd worry. OR even better say he didnt meet Brainiac, that he followed him to earth and engages him as an ally, and a mentor to teach him of his home planet before Brainiac betrays him, whips his ass good and starts to infect the worlds computers. But Zod? Great in Superman 2 but Ive seen that already, I dont want to see a remake of it a few years later.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:36 a.m. CST

    It's a bad idea to have Zod as the villain again...

    by Wonderboys

    People will indeed think that Synger is remaking the old films... in a less exciting way, if Im so dare as to say that Superman Returns, although I liked it, was way more boring than the Donner original (wich I absolutely love). The should try and bring some big villains (Darkseid, Brainiac), broaden the scope of the film and make the action more exiciting... At the end of Superman Returns, i couldnt believe we didnt see Supes punching somebody... I want Superman to fight, bare knuckled, with some big dude... If I wanted to see a movie about a guy lifting big things, I'would watch my own porno tapes...

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:40 a.m. CST

    oh yeah, its been announced the new Rambo film

    by RockLobster800

    is now called "Rambo To Hell And Back". I shit you not. Expect a talkback on it in a few hours.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns was fucking BORING

    by Steve Rogers

    And you KNOW it. To those calling it "majestic" - bite me. It was slow and dull and Supes was a non-personality in his own movie. Clark Kent got the fucking shaft. Routh and Bosworth had ZERO chemistry and Spacey was wasted. Aside from the plane crash sequence the whole movie was a total waste of time.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:48 a.m. CST

    nice idea, past its time

    by themidnighter23

    I wish SInger would just stop living in the past and do something new with Superman. Give us Brainiac. Give us an alien invasion from Mongel. Give us something that requires Superman and only SUperman to save the day

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Continuity

    by Rei-Ginsei

    I've never watched it, but Superman Returns is supposed to branch off of Superman II, correct? Didn't Superman II end with Supes holding the American flag and assuring the president that he'd never abandon his duties again? So then Superman Returns picks up with Supes...having abandoned his duties for five years?<p> Superman is well known enough that you could have done a new Superman movie without the origin story, but still made it completely seperate from the movies that went before. That's just my $0.02

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah and the name of the aforementioned script is...

    by cameron1975willi

    SUPERMAN: THE WRATH OF ZOD in case any body wants to read it.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:51 a.m. CST

    Stamp as ZOD .. cool !!

    by rguerr2

    Stamp is doing the voice of Jor-El in Smallville so I can see this rumor being true, but I hope not. I agree with some of the folks here Singer should have done a Superman re-boot not following in Donner's foot steps. I really did not like the movie because it was just a copy of the original. What pissed me off most was that even the dialogue was the same. AHH !!! Don't get me going. The next movie should have a whole new villain from the Superman universe and Braniac would be good. Let's just hope Singer does not fuck it up as he did with Returns.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Hey Bryan,

    by batmans_pants

    go read some of the huge volumes of Superman back issues that exist out there. You need inspration bro.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:55 a.m. CST

    Let the Superman Returns bashing commence!

    by rbatty024

    I really liked the original, but I also liked the original. I also have some of my attention span left in that I don't watch a lot of television, I play about one or two video games a year, and I actually read books! Enough of me being flippant, because as much as I liked the original I thought it could have improved on a few things. It was in the shadow of the original movie and Bosworth was terrible in it. That being said, I liked the aspect of the kid, it's a new element we haven's seen before.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 6:07 a.m. CST

    Oh God...

    by cornponious

    ...Zod.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 6:14 a.m. CST

    I actually liked Superman Returns quite a bit...

    by vezner2007

    and I am looking forward to the sequel. Having Zod back would be an awesome thing to behold. :)

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 6:14 a.m. CST

    I Don't Really Have a Problem with Zod

    by kevinwillis.net

    Coming back, if it's a good movie. The fact that Luthor was in SR didn't have to make it boring. It just was boring. Bryan Singer knows how to do a good movie, and got one thing right in Superman Returns that I think he didn't quite nail in the X-Men movies--fangeeks got to see Supes use the full range of his powers. Which was cool, and done well. I liked the added bonus of Superman getting off on his fame. That was good. Lex Luthor with another real estate scam? Not so much. Plus the scam itself was tedious and stupid, not nearly as cool as Superman: The Movie. Whether it has something to do with Singer being gay or not, his female leads are all wrong: Parker Posey is great, but not as Lex's moll. Kate Bosworth might be good in something I haven't seen yet, but she was a horrible choice for Lois. And, good golly, the pasty long-stringy-haired superkid? Jeeze. Cuts against the superman ethos, for me. Oh, and losing "the American way" . . . "truth, justice, all that stuff?" Come on, Singer.<br><br>On the positive side, Frank Langella was a great Perry White, Sam Huntington was a pitch-perfect Jimmy Olsen, James Marsden was a great Perry White nephew . . . Cameos by Jack Larson and Noel Neill much appreciated. It certainly had its moments, it just didn't quite gel. The whole superkid thing was not compelling, but then Kate Bosworth as Lois was so underwhelming . . .I'd like to see if a Superman: Man of Steel hits the mark, this time. <br><br> Oh, and the soundtrack doesn't do it for me. Either they should have brought John Williams back, or done it from scratch. The homage sound track is so full of "see, those five notes were the same, but then I changed it at the end, ain't I clever?", and the variance and original music is so non-John Williams, it's distracting. But I gave SR a chance (and was dubious about Routh, but I think he nailed it) and look forward to the next one. Zod or no Zod. Though I do agree that Braniac or Darksied or possible a large cloud of energy would make a better bad guy than Lex Luthor again.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 6:18 a.m. CST

    Hey batmans_pants,

    by boyblue

    Go give youself a spin in the washer you smell of Queef! Jackass!!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 6:18 a.m. CST

    Am I the only one who thinks Superman's son will die in this one

    by TheNorthlander

    Singer's always been saying he'd do a "Wrath of Khan". I'm no trekker, but wasn't the thing about Wrath of Khan that Kirk's son got killed? Wouldn't that be the point of Superman having a son?

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 6:31 a.m. CST

    THERE ARE OTHER VILLAINS!

    by Gozu

    Brainiac, Bizarro, Darkseid, Doomsday! General Zod was cool...but we've been there and done it already. This film will probably cost $400 million and be 5 hours long too.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 6:32 a.m. CST

    No, No and No......

    by Jazner

    Listen, I liked SR too and I understand why Singer made such heavy reference to the Donner film. But now the time has come for Singer's vision of this franchise to step outside of the original RD films and make its own movie. That means a new sotry, with a new villain and a completely new feel. He's already reset the 'universe,' but it's time to expand it now. That said, give me Jason Issacs for Brainiac!!!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 6:36 a.m. CST

    terrible news if true

    by just pillow talk

    Here's a fucking idea...try something NEW!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 7:05 a.m. CST

    NO ONE i know liked Superman Returns

    by StrokerX

    EVERY SINGLE person I know that saw this movie DID NOT LIKE IT, including me!!!!!<p> This movie was GAY, GAY, GAY!!!!!!!!!!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 7:20 a.m. CST

    RE: THERE ARE OTHER VILLAINS

    by GCH888

    Gozu ... actually you've highlighted the problem with the Superman franchise which is he doesn't really have any standout villains apart from Lex Luthor. The problem with Darkseid, Brainiac and Doomsday is the complex backstory and the fact that they're actually quite boring characters. Compare this with Batman and the myriad of interesting villains in his mythos and suddenly you realise why Superman ends up battling Nuclear Man.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 7:30 a.m. CST

    SUPERMAN DOOMSDAY

    by ndouglas

    NOW I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF OF THE GENERAL ZOD AND HIS CREW TALKS, MY PERSONAL OPINION THEY WERE THREE IDIOTS IN SUPERMAN 2, NOW IF ANY SAW THE SUPERMAN DOOMSDAY CARTOON MOVIE OR KNOWS THAT STORY, KNOWS THAT IF THEY WERE TO TURN THAT INTO A LIVE ACTION MOVIE IT WOULD BE THE BEST SUPERMAN MOVIE EVER

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Justice for Kumar!

    by kafka07

    That should be the title of the next Supes flic. Put his lines back in the movie, you bastards!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Gozu, Northlander, Jazner, DanDelion and StrokerX

    by boyblue

    Gozu, Why would it cost 400 Million Dollars and be 5 hours long?? Northlander, I never though of it that way? Jazner, Agreed. DanDelion, Have you ever watched X-Men 3?? StrokerX, See one of my earlier post's for what I think of your post!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Mind Blowing

    by BackStJoe

    Superman Returns wasn’t just a good movie, it was a brilliant film. Casting Terrance Stamp as Zod for the sequel would be mind blowing.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 7:50 a.m. CST

    dc/warners and missied opportunitys

    by matrixgeeza

    supes is my fave character BUT is well indeed of updating. the suit for starters. the film was a chance to start from a fresh, a re-imagaining of krypton, the suit & the fortress. this could have crossed into the comic book. more sci fi adventure than fantasy demi god. i enjoyed returns but feel singer has mde it all the more complicated, kids/lex still a doofus etc etc. alas, give it 15 years and we cab start again.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 7:59 a.m. CST

    bring on iron man bitches ....

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    shit fuck the dc

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:01 a.m. CST

    There's already plans for a third sequel...

    by Prof. Brainiac

    They're going to bring in Chris Tucker as a computer hacker that creates a program that takes all the fractions of a cent his company rounds up and deposit them in a secret account. He will then be forced to create a supercomputer powered by kryptonite to try and defeat Super-Routh. Tucker does this while yelling to Supes if he understands the words coming out of his mouth. Contact with meth-laced synthetic kryptonite splits Super-Routh makes him have a beer and cheat on Lois. A fourth sequel (in the tentative stages) will bring in Seth Rogan as a mad scientist to create Bizzaro, which Super-Routh will fight on the moon. The laws of physics will be ignored, as both will breathe and hear each other speak in the void of space. All the while, Supes will try to rid the world of dirty bombs by collecting them and throwing them into the sun.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST

    SR - Airplane/Shuttle save was cool. Cut out ALL the other crap

    by JDanielP

    (Well, the music made a great return, too.) Despite my HUGE disappointment with "Superman Returns", I'm (at least) curious about a sequel. However, if they don't return the Superman costume to the widely accepted RED AND BLUE design (yellow "S" on cape), then THAT will be the FIRST sign that this project is in trouble. Hell, just scrap the project and absorb it into "JUSTICE LEAGUE" and act like "SUPERMAN RETURNS" never existed. Give us the REAL return of the RED and blue Superman (while returning Brandon Routh).

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Superman 2:

    by rev_skarekroe

    Part 2!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:15 a.m. CST

    just like the star trek series

    by blackshuck

    ..the first movie was overlong, talky, sappy, and devoid of action. HOWEVER just like star trek, the sequel COULD be the supes version of WRATH OF KHAN, with Stamp filling the same role that Mr. Rourke did (previous villian returning for vengeance), with lots of action and great characterization. We can dream, right?

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Lose Singer...

    by Kid Z

    ... And use Darkseid as a villain, with maybe Ugly Mannheim and Morgan edge as his flunkies on Earth. I've been watching reruns of Superman The Animated Series on Disney and that whole Darkseid story arc rocked, especially the episode Apokolips Now! (Which they haven't shown yet on Disney) Use some influences from that story and from that massive throwdown Supes and Darkseid had in the last ep of Justice League Unlimited. I loved that line Supes had about always having to watch himself and feeling like he lived in a world made of cardboard... but that now Darkseid gave him an opportunity to really cut loose! Just the sonic vibrations from Supes and Darkseid's punches were knocking down buildings in that fight! That's what I wanna see in a big-budget superhero movie, kiddies!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:28 a.m. CST

    I think the idea of long-forgotten

    by LTChief

    baddies was done before...it was called "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan"

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    forgot "returning"

    by LTChief

    and hence, there goes my arguement.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:34 a.m. CST

    There isn't going to BE a sequel.

    by Kal El Vis

    No matter what brain-dead shitheads like "blueballsboy" think. This person who reported this bullshit probably heard them "joking" about it, seeing as Singer's narrow exposure to the character draws from the Donner films ONLY. So let the Singertologists THINK there will be a sequel. Those of us with an IQ higher than our shoe-size know BETTER.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:34 a.m. CST

    No Zod

    by Playhouse

    There needs to be no Zod in a sequel to Superman Returns. If there is, that will just lend even more creedence to the idea that Singer has no originality when it comes to Superman and is just copying what Donner did. I happened to like Superman Returns but I can see the issues people had with it. (I will never condone bringing a kid into the mix. Bad move.) I happened to think it was a smart move to base the movie in a filtered continuity of the Donner films. As much as people gripe about it, I think those movies - and Christopher Reeve - are about as definitive to the character as anything. So I liked where Singer was going. Returns wasn't flawless by any means. And a sequel could give Singer a chance to really shine with the character. But bringing Zod back in would be a tremendous disservice. I'm already not keen on having Luthor back. Bring on Brainiac. Bring on Darkseid. Bring on something we haven't seen before.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:36 a.m. CST

    stalkerdude 2: return of the worst superhero movie

    by JacksonsPole

    seriously. singer really f*cked up.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST

    I cant beleive it!!

    by boyblue

    Someone compared Bryan Singer to Paul WS Anderson?? Has the world gone mad!! What next Steven Speilberg and Uwe Boll??

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:38 a.m. CST

    I still say Singer should do my idea

    by Purgatori

    and that is to have Zod's son by the super bitch that was conceived while they were in the Phantom Zone show up to kick the ass of his father's jailer. I've said for a while that Jude Law would be good for this part or Stewart Townsend. Epic fights man..that's what we need. And bring back Stamp. Zod fucking rules. KNEEL!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Hey Kal El Vis....

    by boyblue

    Where the fuck have you been hiding? I was waiting for your stupid moniker to pop up on this talkback. Ladies and Gentlemen of AICN, I'd like to introduce you to Kal El Vis, he enjoys long walks in the rain and Pina colladas on the beach and is looking to meet that special some one who will actually call him back after bricking in his mouth the night before.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Banging your "wife", blueballsboy...

    by Kal El Vis

    That FAT bitch is LOOSE. Jesus, both fists? At the SAME TIME??

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns sucks

    by LORDRANDO

    I honeslty remember nothing from that movie...except the part with the plane....otherwise, even Parker Posey was made one dimensional....

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    MELTING OWL & UNSOCIABLE HAMMER...

    by Shermdawg

    ...need to stage a sick-out to force the writers to end the series in a better fashion than what we've been getting. Last night, even though they thankfully pulledthe "cloned Lana" episode was horrible.<br><br> Smallville has had more than it' share of crap episodes, but this season s really taking the cake.<br><br> The show has done wonders for attemptng to modernize the property (to an extent), and doesn't soley exist so whoever can rehash the Donner flicks, or Star Trek, or whatever, but dammit, THEY HAVE TO GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER, because right now it's pure shit. (Which is still a few levels higher than Returns.)

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:53 a.m. CST

    SINGER: PLEASE STOP DIRECTING ACTION MOVIES.

    by THE_ONE_MAN_GANG

    SR was horrible.if you think about it, How can you even fuck up a superman movie? And x men 1 and 2 are over rated also...its just because its the f-ing x men in a movie that we like it...they were both missed opportunities...

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Singerman 2: Zod. No, seriously. Zod.

    by Kal El Vis

    Yeah, the people will EAT IT UP!! Start counting those HUNDREDS of DOLLARS you're going to make, Alan Horn!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST

    AverageMan

    by FILMFUNK

    Superman Returns was weird! I didn't know going in it was a full on re-make, I thought it was a new take with a flavouring of the original like the casting of someone who looked a lot like Reeves was about the only thing that worked and worked well. The fact it just rehashed everything else made it a yawn fest. Please let the sequel be as well produced and visually solid but don't just do a re-tread of Superman 2 with zod and the gang etc WHAT'S the Point!? Give us a few new stories! jesus he's been around a good long while enough for some decent material surely and a different bad guy please no LEX FRIKIN LOOOOTHOR!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST

    In your dreams, Kal El Vis

    by boyblue

    And she aint fat, it's a gland thing! I suppose I could right something equally inane like "Your Mum bucks harder than mechanical bull" but I wont! Or "What shampoo do You use to get rid of your Mums Queef smell from your dick, I tried Head and Shoulders but it still smells" but I have more class than that!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Go for it, Bryan!

    by Joeri

    It's entertaining to read how people love to trash things. But although mister Singer may have misfired with Superman Returns, I still think he's one of the most talented directors in Hollywood. He doesn't play it safe. With or without Zod or Brainiac - I think he pretty much listens to his fans and has learnt from the criticsm on Superman Returns. Less Donner, more Singer, something new and a lot more action: I expect Superman: Man of Steel to be a goddamned masterpiece. Go for it, Bryan!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST

    ReBoot?

    by CaptainWalker

    Wait till the sequel...as bad as Singers movie may have been, it was no way NEAR as bad as S:TQFP. Let this run out, Let them make a mediocre fizzle, and then let's bring in a writer, (Not a director) with an idea for a low budget,... very low budget, reboot.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST

    The plot was just leaked...

    by Stalin vs Predator

    Zod, Ursa and Non recover their powers in a freak incident and they break out of the Earth jail. They kill people! Meantime, Routh catches up with Teenlois and sacrifices his powers to spend the rest of his life with her (and the Superdiaper). Then the trio invades... NOT the White House, but the UN Headquarters. (Don't worry, the UN HQ is still in the US, so it's a good film location.) Kevin Spacey shows up and promises Zod that he can help out - in a shocking twist, he demands New Zealand as payment. Marlon Brando, photorealistically restored by amazing new technology and then obscured by five walls of ice and a cloud of smoke, shows up and gives Routh back his powers. Routh fights the trio until they chase him into his Ice Fortress... but there, he simply tricks them... AND WINS! Roll end credits. "Original story" by Brian Singer. "Screenplay" by The Two Guys That Also Had The Credit For The "Screenplay" In 'Returns'.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:13 a.m. CST

    yeah, a sequel seems unlikely now...

    by RockLobster800

    maybe they'll "Hulk" it-just revamp with a smaller budget and less hype in a few years time and pretend the first one never happened. I actually thought SR was okay but with gaping flaws...and the potential for a definitive Superman film (drawing from the entire vibe of the comics, the darker elements, making notes on the animated show and utilising all the material availible etc) seems to have been wasted there. I mean Nolan is sticking to a definate mood for his Batman flicks but at least his acknowledges a range of source material to get it from (Long Halloween, Year One The Man Who Falls etc) instead of "well, I loved Tim Burtons version so...Im gonna copy that". Jesus, I mean even Peter Jackson ranted about his love of the original King Kong but his remake wasnt exactly carbon copying things from film to film!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Painting the new Superman movies in a corner...

    by EriamJH

    ... isn't because of following Donner's universe. They now painted themselves in a corner by having a love child. Any sequel will HAVE to follow up with that stupid storyline, and it will be a burden. A soap opera version, to say the least. Whether Supes will be fighting Zod, Brainiac, or a giant spider, he will still have to face the paternity suit. A great earth-saving fight only to be interupted with this sappy father/son stuff. 10 to 1 odds that the kid buys it in the end of this sequel -- saving the day or what have you -- and Supes will have a revenge motive. Goddam Hollywood cliches.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Get Over the Reeves Movies Already ...

    by cowboyone

    Let's move on with the franchise. A seventy year old General Zod ain't gonna be very scary. WTF?! We want to see Supes fight somebody ... preferably not a septugenarian.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Supes is a stalker! Supes is a deadbeat dad! WAAAAAAAHHHH!!!

    by Osmosis Jones

    Christ, find something else to complain about.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:15 a.m. CST

    hey boy blue

    by batmans_pants

    Way to go. Your agument has overwhelmed me. I cannot possibly retort to such an itelligent comment. When does your mommy pick you up from kiddie play?

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Oh, forgot the end twist...

    by Stalin vs Predator

    It's actually the kid that saves Superouth and defeats the villains. And there are shots of a puppy, too!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST

    I say kill the child. Read the book, it demands for blood....

    by The Dum Guy

    If only to make Supes go ape shit.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST

    why oh why do people forget...

    by gottaeat

    that if LOIS had her memory wiped she wouldn't remember sex with superman, so she'd be getting morning sickness and thinking she was having a christ child... sans sex n all.... so the movie doesn't really follow the original movies all that well. btw, I have some of that "wipe your memory clean" orange juice if any of you guys wanna hit on a chain smoking, crazy as a shit house bat reporter crouching in the bushes outside. I'm just putting that out there.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    batmans_pants

    by boyblue

    It wasnt an argument, your earlier post was stupid and redundant so I felt inspired to retort with something as equaly stupid and redundant!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST

    When they reboot, they should reboot

    by CherryValance

    I didn't enjoy the fact that Judi Dench was M in Casino Royale. Mainly because I don't remember Q inventing a time machine. It made no sense. In this case it would also be pretty damn stupid to include Stamp. Think about it. This Supes looks a lot younger than Reeve was, even if he's relatively the same age. But then Stamp is like what, 30 years older than he was? And looks it. Nope sorry. The only reason I want to see a sequel is because I think Routh makes a great Superman, but they really have to get it right this time. Because that SUPERMAN RETURNS was an abomination, imo. Especially the kid.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Hey Kids - here's an idea

    by Sprocket Boy

    Why don't we put our heads together and come up with...oh I don't know....an ORIGINAL IDEA. I mean come on. If you're going to reboot something do it with a little bit of that grey matter in your skulls. 'Returns' was okay but I would think that there are many story lines that could be used without the baldy or something that is has already been done. Just one users opinion. Take it with a grain of glowy green stuff.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    KNEEL BEFORE HAM!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Singer doesn't have a clue what Superman is. Now he wants to remake Superman II? Hand the reins to somebody else before he blows another $500 Million. What a fucking hack.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    I remember when people were claiming there...

    by rbatty024

    was no way Singer would be able to helm the sequel because of the mediocre box office of the original. Well, those who enjoyed the first movie got what they want and Singer's continuing his and Donner's vision. Take that bitches!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    In my NIGHTMARES, bluballsboy

    by Kal El Vis

    I STILL see those chalk white thighs, spider-ey veins snaking up to those sloppy, droopy meat-flaps every time I close my eyes. *shudder*. But on the positive side, she didn't mind me spunking on her face, so THAT was "good"... I love how THIS is the best they can do here. Post a "I heard from someone who heard something from another guy about Terence Stamp and Bryan Singer. That MUST mean he is going to play ZOD!!". Gimme me a break.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Retlaw Kciuq

    by CherryValance

    I agree about Jude Law. If they have to have Zod, he's the obvious choice.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Where did this 500 Million BS come from??

    by boyblue

    You must be including the 1001 fucked up attempts at making a Superman film into the Returns budget?? Thats just unfair and in no way should should Singer have to take shit because WB funded Nicholas Cage's hair peices for a few years!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST

    rbatty024 and blueballsboy

    by Kal El Vis

    See what kind of "people" WANT a sequel to the snooze-fest called Singerman Repugnant? And these fuckheads can't see they are in the MINORITY!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Kal El Vis?

    by boyblue

    You missed the e out of Blueballsboy? What the fuck are you retarded? If your gonna give me a new name at least spell it properly! Oh and I spoke to my wife she said you where hung like a hamster and you wouldnt climax until she stuck the TV remote up your ass, what the fucks all that about?

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Problem with SR

    by Johnno

    For one I hate the idea that Supes just slept with Lois once or something in the previous Donner film... I don't fucking buy it, I don't even think Donner implied it and however you feel about casual sex I never pictured Supes to do that, you don't get that feel from the early comics or films so this just doesn't follow. I mean it's one thing to do something different with a character, but this was just friggin awkward. I don't even see how it added to the theme of Clark's lonliness or Supes quest or whatever...<br><br>Also Superman returns was heavily lacking on action. First and foremost we EXPECT a good action superhero film... Sure be sentimental and whatever and all that it's all good, but come one... we wait a long time for an updated superman film with all the FX wizardry and we don't get ANY action payoff... that's just friggin disappointing. The superman videogame commercials looked more exciting! All he did was lift shit, which is fine and iconic but c'mon... Sure those of you who liked it may like sentimental character introspective films and I also think Returns did that aspect well, but that's not all I want to see from a Superman movie... When I think Superman I think about him kicking some ass too! In fact that's the first thing I expect! You can have both! And this film only had one, and it picked the more boring of the two!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Stupid and redundant?

    by batmans_pants

    Are you telling me that Bryan Singers last Supes effort was new and original? Have a good read at the opinion of other TBs postting here. You'll find that there are more then a few people who would agree that the last movie lacked any form of originality and brought us nothing new. This didn't build on Donner's vision, it just replicated it, and made it a little duller in the process. If the speculation about bringing Zod and Lex back as the main protagonoists AGAIN for part two of Singer's Superman is true, then it's just the same old thing with a better effects and less soul. I love the character of Superman. I just don't think Bryan Singer has the balls to move on. I want Superman to be, well...Super. the last film copied plot points and structure of the original. It was an imitation of Donner's film with better effects. I'v seen Superman battle Lex Luthor. I've seen Zod. I want something new for my cash. WB should insist on the same.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    blueballsboy

    by Kal El Vis

    Pot and kettle: "If your gonna give me a new " Your? I don't HAVE a "gonna". What an asshole. And your wife would think ANYONE smaller than a tree-stump was "hung like a hamster".

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST

    You're just trying to get a rise out of us, aren't you, Quint?

    by Laserbrain

    I'm not biting.

  • fucking shit movie.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST

    I love some of the SR haters responses.

    by rbatty024

    "That movie was shit." "It was gay because people weren't hitting each other." There are two or three posts that at least have logical arguments about why they didn't like the movie. I may disagree with them, but at least I can respect them.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Isn't this what got Bryan in trouble in the first place?

    by IAmLegolas

    Sticking too closely to the 80's movies where it almost felt like a remake? How about something new for a change? Gilbert Godfried as MR. MXYZPTLK. Something, anything new....

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    wtf???

    by chc108

    superman returns was pretty much an updated version of donner's original superman movie. does that mean "man of steel" will be a modernized version of superman 2? i agree with some of the other posters in that, singer has to go. there is SOOOO much that can be done with the superman legend... it's a shame that it seems to be stuck on crappy story lines.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Uh, you DO remember...

    by Kal El Vis

    That AICN was slobbering on Singers balls when this came out, right? Remember that stupid contest for those shit-ugly "statues"? The interview with BJ Routh where they fawned all over his emaciated ass? Follow the clues to see where their "allegiance" lays. Or LIES.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST

    2 things

    by boyblue

    batmans_pants, there is a whole world outside of an AICN talkback, A world of people who experienced life, sunshine, fresh air and people who enjoyed Superman Returns, so sorry if I aint going with the flow of other people on this talkback, long ago I thought this site was where people got together to compare tastes in film, Until I saw what the majority of the TB tards on this site post and showed me I was wrong, it's a place for whiny turds to complain and call things they dont understand gay! And secondly Kal El Vis, im sorry I lost the will to read your last post, so your basically saying what exactly? And tell your mum to stop calling me, I told her after the paternity test im not your father, there was 15 of us there that night and I didnt shoot my load becuse honestly it was like dropping a roll of Carpet of the edge of the Grand Canyon by the time it was my turn!!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:18 a.m. CST

    BackStJoe

    by messi

    Sarcasm?

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Re: WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON? DID THE EARTH GO BACK IN TIME?

    by IAmLegolas

    right!!! I'm starting to think I'm reliving my childhood movie experiences all over again. Is a remake of STAR WARS just around the corner, too?

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Hey, rbatfucko24

    by Kal El Vis

    Didn't YOU post this "gem" just a few minutes ago? "Well, those who enjoyed the first movie got what they want and Singer's continuing his and Donner's vision. Take that bitches!". Yeah, YOU are one "classy" guy, deserving of "respect". Fucking moron...

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Who will play Richard Pryor in the 3rd "Returns"?

    by INWOsuxRED

    Terrance Stamp as Zod couldn't be more perfectly in the wrong direction for this wannabe franchise.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST

    But I will apologise for my Spelling !

    by boyblue

    Im using a Wii to post and well it isnt very precise to say the least!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Kal Reeve - cmon dude, the movie was lyrical???

    by messi

    WHAT??? You call the bit where Supes stalks Lois and then goes off into space to meditate then stops a bank robbery but doesn't stop it, he just stands there, gets shot in the eye and then smiles and then it cuts??? WHAT THE FUCK!!! That was offensive filmmaking. Read a comic book.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    I LOVE it!!!

    by The Moseph

    Terrence Stamp returning as Zod would be ULTRA FRIKKIN' COOL!!!!!!!!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    boyblue

    by messi

    You don't promise to make a film and say the sequel will be better, you make a good film and hope the second is just as good, if not better. Films like Star Wars. It wasn't a film set up for the better sequel The Empire Strikes Back. It was a good film in itself.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Given what they came up with last time...

    by WhoDis

    the whole thought of a sequel is totally ludicrous. You're talking about people that aren't even mediocre. Best to let the subject drop ***** Creep in Cantina: "Hey--Wanna talk Superman Returns?" ***** Obi-Wan (waving hand): "You don't want to talk about Superman. You want to go home and rethink your life." Creep: I don't want to talk about Superman. I want to go home and re-think my life.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST

    boyblue "I'm using a Wii to post"

    by WhoDis

    You lose at the internet.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST

    For all the Superman Returns fans:

    by mrfan

    I have a couple of questions that have been bugging me. Maybe someone can help. If SR is suppose to follow the older movies then how does Lois know that the child is Superman's even though she doesn't remember sleeping with him? Is this movie suppose to stand on its own merits without the help of the original? Is this just a remake of the original? Just curious.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:33 a.m. CST

    How can anyone say Routh was perfect

    by messi

    He had about 5 lines mimicing Chris Reeve and looked like a guy forced to look like Superman.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST

    blueballsboy TAPS OUT!!

    by Kal El Vis

    Yep, that Singertologist lame-brain threw in the towel!! "I don't know how to say words when I make fun of you're spelling 'cuz I spellded wrong but I ignore it 'cuz I'm a-smartest than you're smart". Did I speak in your language, mongoloid? And clean the jizz out of your ear, fuckwad. It's YOUR mom calling, asking which of the 15 dogs she humped last night has Herpes. You sneaky-monkey, it's YOU who has Herpes, isn't it?

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Hey, WhoDis

    by Kal El Vis

    He MEANT to say: "I play with a wee-wee when I post on the internets".

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST

    messi

    by boyblue

    Sorry I was a bit shocked by your post, Sorry im just in the middle of humouring some douche called Kal El Vis. But yeah I agree thats not how things should work but then again I dont consider Superman Returns to be a bad film, quite the opposite in fact, I thought it was great, but I do think as great as it was there where certain things that should be built on and ramped up for the sequel. I think we have had our re-introduction to Superman, certain things have been set up, Singer has struck the balance between what needed to be new and what could be re-used from the other films and now is the time for a sequel that can break new ground, and I cant wait for it to happen.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Good Lord, just replace Singer already.

    by The Founder

    I've always thought that Singer was bad for Superman. When i heard Singer say he's going to be "making his first chick flick" I knew this movie was going to be bland.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Superman Continues To Return II: Otisburg

    by Aquatarkusman

    Ned Beatty returns; Superman, drained by lifting a Kryptonite-infused continent, which is fucking stupid to begin with, cannot budget the portly Otis, and gets melted ice cream all over his hair, causing him to weep uncontrollably. Estimated running time: 4.5 hours.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST

    A sequel could work if

    by TheNothing

    the first scene is Supes snapping Singer's neck and hiring a better director who can actually deliver great action (i.e. Guillermo Del Toro, Gore Verbinski, Peter Jackson, Paul Greengrass, and the list goes on).

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Kal Reeve, get real.

    by Tai_Pan

    "Several" AICN regs are posting hate, huh? The film was shit. Superrouth couldn't act to save his life. That alone would have been enough to kill the movie. But in addition, we basically get a remake of Superman 1 except the fine performances of Reeve et al are replaced with a league of truly Super-shitty performances from Bosworth, Spacey (whose supervillain name should have been "did-I-really-sign-this-contract-guess-I'll-railroad-the-movie-with-my-ridiculous-performance-man") Kal Pen, Routh, Supe's mom, Perry White, and Jimmy Olsen. The only likeable character was Marsden's, whose character is far more of a hero than the emotional cold-fish stalker and wife snatcher from another planet. Singer should have just copied and pasted scenes from S1 wholecloth. Why is frikkin KAL PENN beating up Superman? That's ridiculous. And Routh gave the worst performance I saw that entire year during his would-be tear-jerker speech to Superbastard. My God, man. Get out of acting immediately. Maybe I should go lighter on him since that speech was ridulous and hammy from the very first word... the script as a whole is only slightly better, whose only shining points were ripped from the S1 movie thanks to the Screenwriters/Singer's masturbatory obsession with Dick Donner. Oh yeah, the suit looked absolutely awful. Looks like they took evil-Superman's costume from S3, took it to a tailor and said "I LOVE these shitty drab colors, but I was wondering if we could make this suit about 82-87% gayer." It's distracting.... kinda like the crap non-Williams music that wanders in and out. The movie was GIANT FAILURE in my estimation, and I wish it was never made, because it taints my image of other, worthier Superman projects (and even the lesser ones. I liked all 4 Reeve films FAR better, and yes I'm talking to you Richard Pryor and Nuclear Man). This movie made Superman a deadbeat dad who abandoned Earth, stalked his ex, tried to take another man's woman who even Lois wouldn't wait 2 months for. Hopefully in the next movie Superman won't stare into people's private lives. That's gross.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Bad idea.

    by jrbarker

    Let's try something new, for pete's sake! Give me Brainiac, Doomsday or even Black frickin' Manta. Not something we've seen before.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    You have to admit, John Ottman's score was better than John Will

    by Musicballs

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Sorry Kal El Vis

    by boyblue

    Im still here I havent tapped out! Im just waiting for you to show some sign of intelligence in one of your posts, this Singerman Repugnant shit you keep spouting isnt getting you anywhere except the last nerve of some true film fans! Dont worry though I hear they are casting the deliverence remake near you, get yourself along I bet your a shoe in for the Ned Beaty role!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Yes sir, blueballsboy is DONE.

    by Kal El Vis

    It's funny how I insult the SHIT out of him, and he has ZERO replies handy, so he pulls out the: "I'm waiting for you to say somethin' a-smart 'cuz I still smartest then you're smart. Poopy-head!". And Ottman's score took the BALLS out of Williams'. ANYONE who thinks it is "better" needs to get their hearing tested. Pronto.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST

    I love Superman 2 for

    by Defrost

    how hilariously bad it is. All Zod says is Kneel Before Zod over and over again. I laugh my ass off.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    You SUPERMAN RETURNS haters are idiots

    by TTMan

    As if anyone gave a damn about what a handful of comic book-literate, angst-ridden 42 year olds think. SUPERMAN RETURNS was one of the few comic book movies which wasn't predictable or adolescent. Here's to SUPERMAN: MAN OF STEEL.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Loved SR, would like something more original for sequel

    by FatRat

    As much as I loved SR, I don't want to see a return of General Zod or Lex Luthor. Let's see something we haven't seen before. Let's see Darkseid or Doomsday. Doomsday would be great because you have a sequel right there. Leave Supes dead at the end and have the next movie where he comes back.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Tell Superman I'm Coming... Tell Him I'm F*cking COMING!!!!

    by Frank Black

    Even if I was a little underwhelmed by Superman Returns I liked it a lot and I like how Singer is continuing the series with elements of the older films in place. Anyone who has seen The Limey (and loved it) would love to see Stamp return as Zod! Make it happen Singer!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    From James Berardinelli

    by TTMan

    At the end of Superman II, the producers promised "Coming Soon: Superman III." It has taken 26 years for that promise to be fulfilled. To be sure, there were movies in the 1980s called Superman III and Superman IV, but those were bad jokes masquerading as motion pictures, unimaginative stories cashing in on a pay-day. These many years later, Bryan Singer has gotten it right. In fact, Superman Returns is not only a credit to the first two Superman movies; it may be the best of the series. Its combination of romance and fantasy adventure is unparalleled in superhero comic book-to-movie sagas. What differentiates Superman Returns from the average superhero movie is its focus on the love story between Superman (Brandon Routh) and Lois Lane (Kate Bosworth). If you think Mary Jane and Peter Parker are star crossed, they've got nothing on this couple. Of course, the Lois/Superman pairing has never been simple. Clark Kent has always been lurking around. Now, there are further complications. With Superman having been away from Earth for the better part of a half-decade, Lois has moved on in a big way. She has a son, Jason (Tristan Leabu), and a boyfriend, Richard (James Marsden), although she resolutely refuses to marry him. Maybe it has something to do with the man of her dreams. Some may not appreciate the amount of screen time devoted to these characters and their romantic interaction but, for me, it provides balance. Suddenly, Superman Returns has more to offer than a megalomaniac seeking world dominion -although it has that as well. When last we saw Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey), he was played by Gene Hackman and was off to prison. So, like Superman, he has been out of the spotlight for a while. He's "yesterday's news." Once free, however, he is more determined than ever to make his mark on the face of the globe. He visits Superman's Fortress of Solitude and pilfers all the crystals. With these, he intends to create a new continent and destroy a few of the old ones in the process. Superman, newly returned from a futile outer space search for other survivors from Krypton, will (of course) oppose his old nemesis, but this time Luthor is ready for him. Revenge is a dish served cold, with Kryptonite icing. Superman's return to once again aid mankind may be short-lived. Gone are Christopher Reeve, Margot Kidder, and Gene Hackman. It's a credit to their replacements that they're not missed, at least within the context of the film. Brandon Routh channels his predecessor, although his version of Clark is a little less gawky. Kate Bosworth provides an altogether different take on Lois - a sexier, more modern view. She's prettier than Kidder, and there's more chemistry in her scenes with her co-star. Kevin Spacey's Luthor is cut from the same mold as Hackman's, except he's more cruel and less flippant. He has his share of one-liners but, when it comes down to it, he doesn't waste time with drawn-out monologues. That's when he's at his most brutal. There are no miscasts to be found in the supporting cast, either. Parker Posey's Kitty fills the function of Miss Teschmacher - Luthor's female stooge who has a soft spot for the Man of Steel. James Marsden, following director Bryan Singer to Metropolis from Professor X's school, has the tricky role of playing the foil in Lois and Superman's romance without coming across as a jerk. Richard is a nice guy. Eva Marie Saint plays Clark's Earth mother, who gets to find her son and almost lose him again. The only returning cast member from the original Superman is Marlon Brando, with archival footage recreating his limited part as Jor-El, Superman's biological father. For those who go to superhero movies for the action, rest assured there's plenty of that. While the extended climactic sequence is the movie's longest and most involved, I was partial to the rescue of a space shuttle and airplane, which heralds the Man of Steel's return to his adopted planet. It's a great moment, filled with tension, and topped off with top-notch special effects. Visually, Superman Returns offers the kind of upgrade one would expect after a quarter century layoff. This time, you really believe a man can fly. Composer John Ottman puts his ego aside and gives John Williams' original music plenty of play. Singer provides us with a blast from the past with opening credits. Not only is the music 100% Williams, but the lettering nearly replicates that which was used in Superman and Superman II. There are other unobtrusive homages to the first two films, from Lois' spelling faux pas to Luthor's love of maps. Singer may not be a fan of the Superman comic books, but his affection for and knowledge of what Richard Donner brought to the screen is evident. Superman Returns clocks in at a fat 157 minutes, but I hardly noticed the passage of time. The movie had me enthralled from opening to closing. One could easily argue that Singer used his time in the X-Men universe as an opportunity to hone his superhero movie skills. Superman Returns is near the top - if not at the top - of the superhero movie pile. It offers nearly everything: romance, action, humor, and plenty of goose bumps. For Superman, many happy returns. © 2006 James Berardinelli

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    Kal El Vis has left the building

    by boyblue

    Poophead? what are you fucking six? Your the douche that started hurling insults about my wife 6 posts ago, im sorry but I aint gonna humour you all day, Thats what your balls and your moms mouth is for.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    Superballsuckerman Returns

    by shitstorm23

    That piece of shit was so terrible, I threw up a little and it left a better taste in my mouth. The worst part, was that it would be SO EASY to make a decent film, but Singer is so fucking gay, he has to make a film literally sucking Donners cock. Don't you have any vision? Can't you figure out a new direction to take the earth's greatest hero? And people that think Spacey was good as Lex, we will just never see eye to eye. He was terrible, he's a good actor, but not for Luthor. Maybe in some elseworlds gay Metropolis he was a good Lex, but not in the continuity I know. Maybe that's what I missed, this was a different reality and everyone was gay, that makes a lot more sense. Zod is cool, we all know that, but wouldn't you want a new villian? One that Supes hasn't beat down already? Darkseid, Brainiac, well, he doesn't really have many other good villians. Fuck Singer, I can't wait for this franchise to reboot in 10 years.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    From THE HOUSTON CHRONICLE

    by TTMan

    The Man of Steel is back, and thank goodness Go to showtimes By AMY BIANCOLLI For the Chronicle TOOLS Email Get section feed Print Subscribe NOW Comments Recommend RESOURCES • Trailer • Web site • Movie photos • Talk about it MOVIE DETAILS Superman Returns MPAA Rating PG-13 for some intense action violence Running Time 154 minutes Released Jun 28, 2006 (Nationwide) Distributed By Warner Bros. Pictures Official Web Site She never could spell worth a darn, but Lois Lane has gone and won a Pulitzer - for an editorial headlined, "Why the World Doesn't Need Superman." Considering Lois', ahem, history with the Man of Steel, this might seem hypocritical, but he did fly off without saying goodbye at the end of Superman II. He's now been absent for five years - he was on the hunt for chunks of his home planet, Krypton - and Lois has gone on to other things. Hooked up with a nice boy (James Marsden of X-Men). Had a kid. Won that Pulitzer. Snap on you, Superman. The title before us is Superman Returns, however, so we know what happens. Mr. Hot Pants isn't back long enough to find an apartment in Metropolis (where alter-ego-butterfingers Clark Kent labors at the Daily Planet) when he's called upon to rescue Lois on a jet that's coupled to a malfunctioning space shuttle. Kazooming through the atmosphere, Superman handily hefts aside the shuttle and catches the jet before it nosedives into a crowded baseball stadium. The fans roar. As well they should. Superman returns not just to theaters but to form: He's as spiffy and hunky and true as he was when Christopher Reeve first donned the bitty red Speedo in 1978, and if he seems a bit more puppyish than he did then, the new look becomes him. Director Bryan Singer — who helmed the first two, superior X-Men — has found a Reeve look-alike and almost-sound-alike (not quite as nostrily) in Brandon Routh, but he's also found and roused the pulse of a fading franchise. I'm relieved earlier efforts to update Superman, Batman-style, into an angstier superhero died, because an angsty Superman is no Superman at all; updating him is like trying to bake Twinkies with aspartame. There's the square jaw. The steel-plate chest. The impermeable black helmet of plasticine hair. Super-de-duper strength, super-de-duper ears (to hear the cries of suffering people or, short of that, office gossip), super-duper eyes to see through walls and crush advancing bullets. He uses this awesome skill set to fight way-bald evildoer Lex Luthor, whose scheme to grow a new continent made of Kryptonite should yield much wealth for him and a bad case of dropsy for Superman. Kevin Spacey plays Luthor like he's making love to him, his buttery menace wrapped in a Gatsby wardrobe. As Miss Lane, Kate Bosworth is less of a tough nut than Margot Kidder's proto-Lois, who wouldn't have been caught dead eating veggie wraps with the family. But I enjoyed Parker Posey as Lex's dim floozy and Eva Marie Saint in an itty-bitty bit as Clark's human ma. I also enjoyed resurrected clips of the late Marlon Brando as his biological dad, Jor-El, who correctly asserts, "By now I will have been dead many thousands of your years." Is this a more modern Superman? Yes, it's set in the 24/7 global village, and the computerized visuals are astounding: Superman has never flown so artfully, believably or fast. But he hasn't changed from the upright, overgrown Boy Scout of yore, though his knickers do ride lower on his hips. Singer has made a film that honors its subject to the point of reverence. It may move a little slowly, it may dwell a little much on Superman's levitating, backlit form, and it may criminally waste Kal Penn. But you know what? The boy in blue is back. The world needs him, all right, and it should welcome his Return. amy.biancolli@chron.com

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Singer's super hero movies

    by veritasses

    lack emotion, which is sort of a problem since super heroes are exaggerations. We have higher expectations of super heroes, they tackle tougher obstacles, they fight bigger battles, their kindness and self sacrifice towards earth/humanity has no bounds, they perform tasks that we morals dream we could accomplish etc. Similarly, the antagonists are the exact opposite. We despise them more because they have a greater capacity for evil and do greater damage then normal criminals, they have no remorse, etc etc. The Hero genre should be approached and handled differently then conventional movies. So when these character perform their heroic deeds, our adrenalin should be pumping and we should feel like we want to jump out of our seat. Yet, I never felt those emotional highs or lows with X, X2, or SR. There were moments when tensions would rise and all but they never actually went as far as they needed to go. Those movies were "good" but not what I think what they should've been. It could be just me though.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Sequel

    by Darth Kosher

    This sequel could be to Superman Returns as The Wrath of Khan was to Star Trek: The Motion Picture (original cut). I just hope they don't go the route that every odd numbered movie sucks. Or have Superman go back in time and save whales or some shit. It's been done.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Certified "Fresh" on Rotten Tomatoes.com

    by TTMan

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    TT Man & FatRat

    by boyblue

    At last some fellow Superman Returns fans amongst this quagmire of Homophobic smallville fans and trolls!! Welcome friends, watch out for Kal El Vis he bites, humps your leg and pee's on your carpet, if he comes anywhere near you just kick him in the balls!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    "Otisburg? OH-TIS-BURG???"

    by EriamJH

    Bring it on!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    TTMoron

    by Kal El Vis

    Can't make up your OWN "mind", asshole? We don't need to hear what a few random idiots think. See, WE can see shit for shit, we don't need to gorge ourselves on it to KNOW it's shit. Wipe the corn off your top lip, Corkey.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    "It's Just a Little Bitty Place"

    by Aquatarkusman

    Wow, verbatim printing of reviews. Awesome. Look, if this was handled well, it should have made billions. Nobody cares about re-explorations of old villains. As Sean Penn once said in Fast Times at Ridgemont High: "No Brainiac, NO DICE!"

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:11 a.m. CST

    From meh to ugh!

    by Det David Mills

    No thank you to a second helping of Bryan Singers Ass Expectorant! If they have to make a sequel, just have Superman fly around the world at the beginning...and have a giant Do Over!! I could list all of my gripes about SR, but that would take all day. I can say that it did look purdy and had some kick ass action, but other than that...UGH! I do like me some Terrence Stamp though! - "Food Fight!"

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:11 a.m. CST

    blueballsboy. What a sad fuck you've become.

    by Kal El Vis

    Since we are operating on a completely different level, mine being one where brain-cells are necessary, I'll leave you alone to wallow in your despair. If I lived YOUR "life", I would have killed myself at LEAST 2 years ago. Remember, when you were 11?

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    supermansequel.blogspot.com

    by samurai sark

    /// supermansequel.blogspot.com /// Zod - Daniel Day Lewis /// Superman - Brandon Routh /// Lois Lane - Rachael MacAdams /// supermansequel.blogspot.com ///

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    /// supermansequel.blogspot.com ///

    by samurai sark

    <a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/paullbenton/supermanteaser.jpg" border="0" alt="Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket"></a>

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    /// superman.blogspot.com ///

    by samurai sark

    /// superman.blogspot.com ////// superman.blogspot.com ///

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Kal El Vis, I was 23, but who's counting?

    by boyblue

    Your right though we are on a different levels, your going to sit here sans your trousers and bitch and moan and pick fights with people on the internet and wrestle with that little voice in the back of your mind thats telling you to chug as much dick as you can get, Me im going home in 15 mins im going to watch TV, have something to eat take my kids and my dogs out for a walk round the park, come back put the kids to bed watch a film, fuck the Wife then go to bed, so yeah I have plenty to be deppressed about dont I???? See ya Dont bust a nut trying to sound bright, remember it's only a talk back!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    /// supermanSEQUEL.blogspot.com ///

    by samurai sark

    /// supermanSEQUEL.blogspot.com ///

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:22 a.m. CST

    They should have included a scene where:

    by Kal El Vis

    After BJ creepily snuck into the little kids bedroom, to give him that shit-awful delivery of Brando's speech, the kid woke-up and took a bite out of the Fruit Roll-Up on his back! "Raspberry!!", he would shout.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:24 a.m. CST

    blueballsboy has a crush on me...

    by Kal El Vis

    I, at least, CAN afford a computer. Check and Mate.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Kal El Vis, Just caught that last remark!!

    by boyblue

    I'll drop by tonight to post again! will I use my Wii at home?? or my Home PC??, of course i'll fuck the wife before I post, cant keep the lady waiting! Check and Mate and awwww dont cry im sure your mum will suck it better!!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    SR blew superchunks

    by Movietool

    A boring, over-made movie with (1)Disasterous Casting (Lois), (2)Bad writing (if you have to change Superman into a peeping tom in order to get the emotional cue you're looking for, you've basically changed the character to suit the writer's purpose - that's BAD WRITING), and (3)not one once of FUN throughout the entire 2+ hours. That movie should have had non-stop joy in it - instead, it was non-stop angst and depression.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns did...

    by Bruce Leroy

    NOT work IMHO. I expected a new original Superman flick. I got a Donner ripoff instead. I was willing to give Singer a chance. Now i read he wants Terrence Stamp back as ZOD. As much as i like Stamp, i say no. I don't like the idea. Let the Donner version of Supes go, man! There are more villians then Luthor and Zod alone. Brainiac, Darkseid hell Metallo even. This new Superman movie has to be original and quite frankly, perfect. If this new Superman fails, it'll be over for the man of steel. Enough with the Donner Homages.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    blueballsboy is going to...

    by Kal El Vis

    Trip over his Dora the Explorer doll with all the back-pedalling he's doing. I said it before, and I'll say it AGAIN, fucking SAD, blueballsboy.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Sorry, that would be awesome

    by Heckles

    KNEEL BEFORE ZOD! Kick ass. And if Singer goes by the Donner cut of Superman 2 then Zod and his crew are still alive anyway. Ursa and Non are still alive. Bring 'em all back! Wait, that would suck.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Dammit

    by Frietag

    They should just do it animated. Not CGI, I mean Bruce Timm style. I mean, I rented THE BATMAN SUPERMAN MOVIE, and even though the animation wasn't stellar (especially the Joker) I was shocked how much better, more creative, more energetic, etc. the script was. Supposedly a kids' movie! And direct to video! But dammit -- EVERY blockbuster is a kid's movie, for marketing reasons. At least that was a DAMN GOOD one. And remember BATMAN BEYOND? Neither do I (I only saw one good episode, the Mr. Freeze one) -- but the DTV film BATMAN BEYOND: RETURN OF THE JOKER was a kickass awesome flick. Why the hell don't they just grab Bruce Timm & Paul Dini and have them do an animated SUPERMAN feature where they spend a little more money? And if those guys don't want to do it, get Dwayne McDuffie. (He wrote all those great episodes toward the end of JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITED's run.)

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    We NEED a Supergirl movie w/ Vanderhot from Smallville!!!!

    by Stark Industries

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    I loved SR..but I don't want another homage to Donner....

    by ckone

    I want something NEW...This whole Zod thing would be alright if maybe %90 of the movie was completly new, and about Supes fighting a completely different villain, and maybe MAYBE at the end Terrance Stamp reprises his role to come in with a great cliff-hanger ending...that would be cool,,,but PLEASE SINGER...it't time for a ball to the wall kick ass Superman movie...I don't want a KNEW version of SupermanII...please....move on!!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    I can't believe people use the talkback to...

    by samurai sark

    ...flirt with each other.

  • that way we can think we are seeing an action movie! Whata piece of shit SR was- BTW- I thought HArry had "exciting news" TS cant' help this franchise.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    maybe...

    by Darth Scourge

    Well there's no indication how big the Zod role would be if it does prove to be true. Maybe it would just be a Stamp/Zod cameo (which would be great if done correctly) and we WILL see some new villian also.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    boyblue

    by messi

    thing is, superman returns reintroduced a character but it wasn't interesting nor fun. they could of done it better. birthright screws with continuity and isn't perfect but that would of been a much better film than the one we got.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    by Omar B

    Shut up about Singer already, he screwed that movie so bad he should never be let near a superhero or comic book for the rest of his life. Do a sequel but make sure Singer's nowhere close. The movie's one saving grace was Routh as Superman, quite possibly the best Superman in the worst Superman movie ever.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:01 p.m. CST

    veritasses

    by messi

    the problem is singer doesn't understand comic books, much less understanding the post superhero deconstruction world of comic books. these type of exaggerations have been explored against the black and white world of DC where heroes kill(wolverine) yet they dont become the monsters they kill, and the villains in the real world are far far scarier and worse than those in a comic book, regardless how much more damage they can inflict. A story arc like The Slavers in the Punisher makes this known. A brainiac might be scary when he is trying to siphon the world but a remorseless eastern european mobster who deals in sex trafficking is much more scarier.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Hey, messi...

    by Kal Reeve

    I've read every weekly Superman comic book since 1994. "Superman: Action Comics," "Superman: The Man of Steel," "Superman" and "The Adventures of Superman" - I've read them all on a weekly basis since Reign of the Supermen and consider myself one of his truest and most steadfast admirers. I still read the books - "Action Comics," "Superman," "Superman Confidential" and the brilliant "All-Star Superman" - and buy every book outside of his own titles that he appears in and Superman action figure that DC Direct releases. So trust me, I know and love Superman. Yes, I whole-heartedly Superman is a dynamic hero who deserves a film where he battles the evil might of Darkseid or Mongul or Brainiac (I got goosebumps watching Superman actually PUNCH Non in "Superman II: The Donner Cut"), but "Superman Returns" was not that film. It was a film about feeling alone, but ultimately learning that you are indeed loved and needed. And the love and trust from human beings, especially Lois Lane, is vital to Clark. And I'm not going to address your "stalker" remark, because I completely justified that scene in the post you responded to. As for the bank robber, he's a human being. What did you expect, for Clark to nail him with a haymaker and cave his head in? If that's what you want you need to realize that that's not Superman. Clark arrived just in time to stop him from killing the guards and prevent him and his crew from flying off in the helicopter. But rest assured that "Superman Returns" is the perfect set up for an epic, action packed sequel. And that I am anxious to see.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:06 p.m. CST

    I think...

    by Halloween68

    The downfall of the first was that they cast too young. I'm not sure with Stamp. I'll have to see. But he also might be too young.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Geriatric ZOD jokes to overtake elderly INDY?

    by Mullah Omar

    If people mocked the resurrection of Indy, Rocky, Rambo, McClane, etc in their elderly years, then how are people not going nuts about Zod? Do people forget how old Stamp looks these days?

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST

    TTMan amy biancholli never read comics

    by messi

    granted superman comics are not great comics nor even good superhero comics but they are lot better than this incredibly dull movie.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    I'll never understand why people lionized Singer

    by reflecto

    For making the X-films, which were frankly mostly mediocre. He blanded out Superman too. What's next? Three hours of Superman saving an oil tanker, hiding his identity from Lois and his son (zzzz) and watching her and Richard White renew their vows? Then he flies around a little, threatens Kevin Spacey, the end? Singer can be an amazing visual stylist but HE HAS NO VISION FOR SUPERHERO MOVIES. He never wants to go all out with really wild comic book ideas, action, or characters. He always has to drag the characters back to his same, tired cliche tropes of the coded gay "outcast," and I'm saying that as a gay film geek. Singer will never go for a big blowout spectacle with Superman vs. Brainiac or any other supervillain. He just doesn't know and always seems intimidated. So his superhero films always fall flat for me.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Horrible idea

    by wash

    Singer: Here's what you need to do for the next one. 1) Stop with the retread shit already. Fuck Luthor and all the Reeve era villains. 2) Kill the fucking kid 3) Recast Lois 4) Make an entertaining movie 5) Make sure the kid is really fucking dead

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Fuck the old superman right up the ass and into uranus

    by Razor1000

    its time to move on from that old version singer should reboot supes and just use the last movie a closure for that set of movies this time it should be more like Superman TAS but cross the bats over on this one while you're at it for gods sake they live a city apart

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Kneel Before Zod's Motorized Wheelchair!

    by Aquatarkusman

    "Is this Planet Nursing Home?"

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Kal Reeve

    by messi

    the bank robbery thing was a matter of bad filmmaking, not context. change it then, change it to any of th multitude of scenarios superman deals with in the comics. and you know I noticed something, those who exclusively read superman comics generally liked the movie, but superman comics are pretty terrible so it seems like your brain is adjusted to the mediocrity thus is the reason you were able to enjoy superman returns. It was bad filmmaking, and over indulgence. example. what a waste of money, the useless flashback scene with a full gorwn corn field. waste. hiring a guy to paint pictures in the mansion that we barely see instead of renting paintings. singer had way too much fun and money on his hands. too bad we dont see both in the film. the superimpositon was good but the organic cgi was terrible, only weta could pull it off and they could of afforded it. yet Michael Bay makes Transformers for 147 Million dollars and Singer can only muster Superman Returns with 204 Million. That is offensive. The Plane sequence compares to the weakest action piece of Transformers. That is bad filmmaking. And yes that bank robbery cut, not the scene, but cutting there is purely offensive. think about it. NOTHING HAPPENED THERE. Of course he's not going to rip his head off but he could knock him out.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    I MIGHT be excited........

    by Blackguard

    If Superman Returns wasn't a carbon copy of Superman 1. Why doesn't Hollywood realize that Superman needs to fight a villain on HIS level. Braniac, Doomsday, Metallo, Parasite, SOMEONE other than Luthor. Maybe have Luthor the guy behind the scenes who gets all these villains together or something (Legion of Doom perhaps??). There are SO many writers out there with NEW ideas! STOP USING OLD IDEAS!!! Homage or not, STOP!! Yes we like Donner's Superman. How about seeing Singer's Superman? Screw that I'd even go for Ratner. He redeemed himself with X3 in my book............

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:17 p.m. CST

    As much as I enjoyed Superman Returns (although not without...

    by rbatty024

    some reservations), I agree with everyone that we need a new villain. Brainiac would work well, especially if they use his cartoon origin. To those who hated SR: even if you didn't like the movie don't you at least owe Singer a debt of gratitude for X2? It was easily one of the best superhero films of recent years. Trust him and I don't think you'll be disappointed. He already insinuated it was going to have more action (which is the number one complaint). Kal Reeve, I have noticed that the Superman comic books have improved greatly after the release of the film. I especially enjoy Confidential, Donner and John's run on Action Comics, and All Star. I had forgotten what a complex and interesting character Superman was until the film and the subsequent renaissance in his original medium.

  • Luthor , Zod, Luthor, Zod...repeat more

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns was as big a disappointment as...

    by Bill Clay

    ... The Phantom Menace. Here you had two hotly anticipated movies continuing long established popular franchises, and both times the directors delivered steaming turds. These flicks should have easily been can't-miss, out of the ballpark home runs with your eyes closed. How do studios screw up movies so badly?

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:25 p.m. CST

    rbatty024...

    by Kal Reeve

    You are absolutey right. Since the release of "Superman Returns" and the conclusion of "Infinite Crisis," the Superman books have been stellar. Busiek and the team of Johns/Donner have done stellar work. The only problems have come from storyline delays caused by lazy artists (Adam Kubert) and issues tying-in to the low quality weekly book "Countdown." And don't get me started on the brilliant and oh-so beatiful "All-Star Superman." Morrison and Quitely could release one issue a year and I'd still be in-love with it.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Fuck Singer, fuck Superstalker Returns (w/o back chld spprt)

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    That movie was an atrocious pos. Anybody who thinks the flaws can be listed, prioritized, and dealt with one by one ("lack of action was the #1 flaw and he's fixing that!") is a fool.<br><br>Superstalker sucked. Superstalker's baby sucked. Leaving earth for five years sucked. Lois Lane sucked. Lifting heavy things sucked. Trying to do this as a sequel to Donner's films sucked. Lack of actual supervillain sucked.<br><br>And they all sucked equally, weighing down this putrid piece of shit right out of the gate.<br><br>Since Singer will abandon none of these elements (okay, MAYBE the supervillain/action ones), any film Singer does will continue to suck!<br><br>And for all the "he did X-Men, trust him" fuckers out there, let me add this.<br><br>X-Men I and II were decent. Not great, but definitely good. Nowhere near as sucky as SR. But let me provide you with a little analogy. Singer's your superhero movie making girlfriend (or boyfriend, whatever floats your boat). Sure, you and he had a few superyears together and shared a few good memories (X I and II) and then you got the bad news. You caught your Singer friend banging some other dude (Superstalker). And another dude (leaving earth). And another dude (Superstalker's baby). And another dude (lifting heavy shit). And another (inconsistent kryptonite). And one more (Lois Lane casting and character).<br><br>Now I don't know about you guys, but that's a lot of fucking me over to come back from. Maybe you guys are more forgiving and those good times (X I and II) mean A LOT more to you than how unmercifully Singer fucked you over with SR, but not me.<br><br>But let's say that I was willing to forgive ('cause X I and II were *SOOOOOO* good?). There's still a BIG problem.<br><br>Singer has established his SR mythos now which has him locked into his cheating ways. He is NOT going to get rid of LL, Superbaby, and the rest of this shit. He would LITERALLY have to abandon all his cheating ways for me to even THINK about giving him a chance and, just based on this Stamp/Zod shit, you KNOW it ain't gonna happen.<br><br>So it AMAZES me how someone can let Singer ass-rape the shit out of them, set up a pattern of continued ass-raping, and then say, "gee, X-Men I and II were good flicks. I trust him."<br><br>Brother, preparest thine asshole for another good ass-raping if Singer ever gets hold if Superman again.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    "I liked Superman Returns"...

    by Freefinger

    WTF!!! I thought you were a movie guy that liked to see character development and storylines that were more than "idiot's guide to do things in a movie to make a point work out for you!! <p> I mean c'mon no one wants to see a sequel to that garbage of a movie. You can play with a lot of things but ripping the soul out of Superman's character is quite off limits. Singer however thinks he's above that, and that's why his movie did not cross the 400M$ mark.<p> They need to start anew with a new director.<p> Thnigs that were good about Superman's Return: <ul> <li>The idea that Supe's was gone to outer space - Would explain Sept 11th and why was he not there to stop it; <li>Special effects - I guess a "A-" since they did what they could with a + than 200M$ budget... <li>Routh as Superman - Can't say anything against this casting call, since he did little acting in the movie we can't really judge his performance and he did fit in well in the role (Knowing that Reeves his gone and will be the hardest man to replace in that role); <li>Sets - yes sets... Imagine a set coming in before the rest of the cast and storyline, hell of a job guys! </ul> <p>Now for what's bad: <ul> <li>Superman - Becomes a Perv; Doesn't say much except for stupid "safest way to travel" lines that made me laugh when Supe's V came out! Second time around isn't funny it's plain ridiculous that a Director and two stooges found it a great line to put in a movie toshow character development. Wow... <li>Supe's costume - Wouldn't be an issue if the movie would've been decent... But the darker feel, small "S", No "S" on cape, and "S" on belt made the whole thing like a cheezy ripoff you'd buy at some 2$ ri-off stores that have "Susan Stromers Tight Exerciser" (yes Stromer - explains the rip-off part); <li>Lois Lane - 1) looking like she's 17 years old yet has all this bagage of being a top newspaper reporter that won a Pulitzer for a ridiculous article; 2) Being a shitty mother and brigning along her son on a distrubing storyline that looks very suspicious; 2) Again being ashitty mom for forgetting her son at school because of a storyline; 3) For being the only person in life that can actually get herself in sorry ass situations that movies should be able to work around instead of doing the obvious; 4) Being a shitty wife to a guy who gave her and her son a good house; 5) Having a house that's worth at least 9.5M$ with a helipad on a journalist and pilot salaries, I mean come the fuck on! <li>Luthor - That "no name" actor was good don't get me wrong, but the whole dumbass plot to get him all that money was just plain ridiculous; it took Anna-Nicole more than 2 years and a lot of lawyer fees to get a cent of the old fart's money and he signed his will in front of a lawyer, how the hell did Luthor get to have that money while no witnesses other than himself were in that room is plain fucking ridiculous, you have to be about 4yrs old to beleive that shit; <li>The Luthor Plot to have again more land - Was this not done in the first movie? What was Singer thinking - or not thinking. Why would a billionaire want land that has no sales value because it has no grass, beatiful hills or anything else? Because it's alien land? Oh and you think the governments of this world would juts say "oh luthor is on it.. it's his then... " No you idiots, a continent grows out of the sea Governments will come out and play and ask "WTF?!?!? and how the hell?!?!?!?!?" the way he became a billionaire was bad, this other idead is, if you can believe this, even worse of an idea...; <li>THE KID - yes.. they sleep togheter once, the superperm does it's job right? fuuuuuuuuuuuuukkkk... Even all the original actors were equal on this one, they should've never had agreed to do that scene in the first place. But Singer had to go way the fuck off on this one and get him a son; Wow, he'll be on a show that called "When imagination goes wrong and kills a 200+M$ movie!" <li>Clark/Superman - how many lines again did Routh get? less than 20 at least... The whole character had nothing, Clark was stuck for ten minutes on his farm; then went to the planet did nothing; went to a bar had a drink saved a plane crash; was on tv for "Around the world news!" hell of a way to get your main character to do something. <li>Jimmy - when did we get back to the 1950's?? Even Smallville have a better more contenporary Jimmy and they don't have a 200M$ budget to write a story; He's way too excited to see Clark and the kid takes "overacting" to a whole new level - it was just bad... <li>Perry White - was that even him? It could've been John Masters new editor in chief of the Daily Planet and it would've been better.. You know "Yeah Clark, Perry's gone, he had a heart attack in the boardroom one day and there you have it, new boss..." At least it would've been true to the character and not have it disfigured like they did it. <li>Kal Pen - why get this guy if he's to do nothing at all.. If you cut his lines out, then just cut him out to 'cause we expected something from him other than have a credit of "The guy who put the Kryptonite in the water downstairs"; He's better than that - Singer missuse of funds is incredible; <li>The Farm - Why build it? Why not just digitize the damn thing if you're to use it for les than 10 minutes? <li>The glasses on young clark - WHY??!?!?! WTF! He's not Superboy, he's not hiding his identity 'cause he doesn't have a second one yet... WHY?!?!?!?! Singer you dumbass! <li>Storyline - If there was one please someone say something... <li>The whole flying thru the city again with Lois - Been done, it's a fine line between "homage" and "copying the shit out of a movie" and Singer didn't cross it, he jumped that line. <li>The Homage to the 1st Action comic with the lifting of the car - fukkkkkkk... go find an imagination you two turds of a story writing team... <li> And on... Way too much shit .. </ul> <p>The whole concept of doing a sequel is just plain bad... <p>Damn you Micheal B... Brian Singer!!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Let's stop with the SR bashing...

    by Kid Z

    ... most agree it was a big let down. As for Singer, sorry dude, you tried, but flubbed it... not too horribly, but a flub nonetheless. So what now? Supes deserves a big-budget flick more than any other superhero. As someone said, "pulling a Hulk" seems to be the best bet... wait a few more years and reboot. Claim SR was "Singer's beautiful homage to the original Superman movies" or some such and leave it at that. Then give us a new Superman flick that'll knock us out of their seats. If you have to have Luthor, make it "evil businessman Luthor"... a cliche, sure, but one that seemed to work. Let's have an actress with both beauty and toughness playing Lois. Someone that can play Supes as the confident and optimistic character he is. A great villain that really poses a threat (I'd pull for Darkseid... but that's just me). And lastly, superhero action like we've never seen onscreen before! (i.e. Supes has to do more than just lift and/or catch heavy objects)

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    ps...

    by Freefinger

    Idid forget about the meteor/continent? No.. was way to ridiculous to even mention...

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    LOL, IAmMrMonkey

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    You know, I just realized something else about Singer's SR vs. his X-Men.<br><br>The X-Men "universe" is a fairly dark one of mutations and paranoia and fear, etc. Singer was perfectly at home there and it worked.<br><br>But, dude, Superman is about the world's biggest boy scout...<br><br>With superpowers!<br><br>It's a fun, uplifting, good triumphs over evil, yellow sunshine-y, happiness filled saga that Singer does not and cannot get.<br><br>He can "handle" X-Men (and some of them I'll bet he *HAS*) and he might even been able to handle the darker and colder vision of Batman's world (especially the part with the "Boy Wonder"), but this morose, man-loving chump should never have been allowed within an AU of Superman lore!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    This talk-back is longer than the Transformers!!

    by CeejayNightwing

    Kinda shows we all want a Supes movie big time! Shame more people couldn't accept SR for the fine film it was. Expectations are a bitch, but he movie did a great job of reintroducing the character to the current age as well as continuing the narrative from the previous movies. May not be what everyone wanted, but it achieved the goals it set itself under those terms and not as usual by the whiney, moaning fan-boys. I hope the rumour of Zod is not true because the franchise needs to move on with fresh villains and perils. Superman isn't all about the fights, it's about the love between him an Lois as well as the spectacle of his might and how humane he can be despite his great abilities. SR took all that to a next level, a more mature situation without the level of cheesey stuff found in the previous films. Whatever happens in the next movie, i hope its moe of the same, Supes lifting stuff is exactly what he does most of the time so i don't have the anal problem with seeing more displays of might like some of these narrow-minded fanboys do. But a good fight ith a worthy villain is what's needed for the next movie aswell, and it would be better if the villain was Someone like The Parasite, a villain whose involvement can cross over the threat into his personal life as well as his superhero alter ego and somehow bring the situation surrounding his Son and secret liaison with Lois into the narrative. what it doesn't need is any more aliens or Kryptonians landing on Earth making the universe even smaller than it already seems. Let's keep the threats home-grown for a while!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    To CONTINUE the "bashing"...

    by Kal El Vis

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Zod is not needed

    by Hando316

    The way I'd do this sequel would have Brainiac come to Earth after detected a Kryptonian around the distroyed planet which we never got to see the shot in Returns. Tid bit of info the guy with that big ass gun on the roof was John Corben aka Metallo, pre accident. Anyway Brainiac would come to Earth and find out who Superman's nemesis is and well we know how crafty Lex is he'll offer a way to get to Superman in return for something. Metallo if use can be more of a side villian. I should work as writer in Hollywood cause I have more original ideas than the idiots already there.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    It's a great idea

    by Jor-El23

    But I'd rather see Brainiac or Metallo or any other Superman villain that we've never seen on the big screen before.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Well...

    by Refuge5

    I loved Superman Returns, and I can't wait for part 2, butI really don't want to see Zod. Time for a new big bad and we'd seen Zod before. If there is going to be a Zod though, Stamp is the way to... I'd prefer Brainiac, or even a Big Screen version of Doomsday... balls out action from start to finish.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    To CONTINUE the "bashing"...

    by Kal El Vis

    Let me take the "piss" out of a certain scene the Singertologists RAVE about: The scene with the airplane. Totally FUCKED-UP by Singer. Singerman KNOWS the plane is unable to fly (following the trail of SMOKE and all), while the shuttle is FINE, all 3 astronauts included. What does he do? He "frees" the shuttle, then astoundingly, FLIES the PERFECTLY FINE shuttle into SPACE. Meanwhile, all 40 or so journalists in the plane free-falling, debris AND people flying around inside. What?? Singerman was STUPID enough to place 40-something people in DANGER, while he "rescues" a shuttle that was capable of doing so itself?? THEN, he does a "slow spin", after admiring the pretty colors of the shuttles rockets, with a look that says: "Oh yeah, forgot about the PLANE falling from the sky. My bad.". Fucking BRILLIANT, Bryan Singer.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    X3

    by Blackguard

    What can I say, I liked it IAmMrMonkey!.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    ZOD!

    by Saltoner

    YES! By far the best villain in any Superman movie, or comic book for that matter, excluding Luther from Morrison's All Star Superman. That would be killer. Hopefully Superman will actually have to fight something this time around.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    I want a sequel ASAP,but it has to have villans

    by liljuniorbrown

    have Brainiac go all Terminator looking for the "last son of krypton" he fights Supes but what he's really after is to kill Lois's son which he does. If Singer made a sequel where Brainiac or any other hardcore Superman villian killed his son causing him to go ape shit and do some serious killing, we would all call him the greatest.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    SUPERMAN: The Wrath of Zod

    by WONKABAR

    He survived the pitfall at the Fortress of Solitude, walking home he ran into Luther and miss Teschmacher somewhere...maybe a truck-stop. They have a few words, share a few drinks... Luther lets him in on some money-making-secrets etc. While Superman was gone for five years Zod accumulates his fortune... becomes Sir Larry Wildman and vows to devote all his resources to his ultimate revenge upon Supes via his robotically and genetically re-acquired powers and Iron-Manesque suit....spouting "REVENGE!!!" as many times as possible.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Andy Serkis as Mr. Mxyzptlk!!

    by Pagliacci

    Seriously, you're only as good as your best villain. Batman kicks ass, because the Joker kicks more ass. If they go with General Zod for Superman Returns 2, that would have to be the end, because it would all be downhill from there.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns Sucked

    by Zug

    And anyone who thinks it didn't is retarded and wouldn't know a good movie from his own asshole. Is it as bad as SIII and IV? Not in a straight-up comparison, but the fact that Warner Bros. let Singer blow 200 million on this turkey puts it right down there. I love Superman, I love the Donner movie, (I loved II when I was 12 but now I can see it sucks), and I was so damn eager to see this movie, and man was I disappointed. No Singer Superman will get any more of my hard-earned money.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    As much as I love Stamp...

    by The Merk

    ... and think that he could still pull off Zod, I don't think this is the right way to go. I'd much rather see Brainiac as the big bad.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Kal El Vis, some things you can let slide.

    by JDanielP

    About the airplane/shuttle saving, I understand your point. I'm guessing that most people question the scene, to some extent, if only a little. It's something that some people may consider while in the moment. Within the context of such a fantastic scene, I figure that in order to save all, Superman had to save the shuttle first. Superman doesn't know the shuttle is fine until it's away. And yes, the downward spiral of the airplane seems to take Superman by surprise. Maybe he didn't realize the extent of the damage, resulting in the tailspin. Sometimes, you let things slide if you can make SOME sense of it all. --And yeah, even though I've said that the flick wasn't worth owning on dvd, I got suckered into buying a cheap copy. What the hay, right? I got to see the highlight of "SUPERMAN RETURNS" one more time. "JUSTICE LEAGUE", here we come.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns was too saccharine.

    by Pagliacci

    It was decent and the actors were fine, but it wasn't spectacular. But the problem is Superman himself. His most famous nemesis is... a rich white guy, who tucks his slacks into his boots. I want a lunatic who tries to patent his toxic fish. Bring on TDK!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Carrie Anne Moss for Ursa!

    by tsfogg

    'nuff said.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Hey, The Merk

    by Zug

    Singer doesn't care what you think. He's off on his own little fantasy, thinking that people give a rat's ass about continuity from the 1970s. You know what? They don't. The only reason it took in what it did was because of the character. This time around Singer won't be so lucky. This is going to be a Schumacher/Batman & Robin level disaster, and it will take at least another decade for the franchise to recover.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST

    NO ZOD! NO ZOD! NO ZOD! NO ZOD! NO ZOD!

    by wolvenom

    screw you singer... dont you even care what the fans want? they dont want zod or luthor anymore. They want brainiac, darkseid, or metallo.... If you think bringing zod back is going to reinvigorate the interest of your poorly made superman franchise your sadly mistaken... This donnner lovefest you got going has been enough already

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Stamp = Brainiac

    by UltimaRex

    The Zod thing was just a joke/see if anyone leaks shit.

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  • Oct. 12, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST

    I would say arguabley Darkseid is Superman's greatest villain ov

    by wolvenom

    in terms of sheer 1 to 1 fighting power. Luthor may be crafty and all but darkseid has the potential to make superman a kickass blockbuster on the same level as 'transformers' kind of action

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    what i meant was crazy if you think those characters are boring.

    by wolvenom

    cause they're not

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    JDanielP

    by Kal El Vis

    It wasn't something that "bugs" me. That wasn't the point. It's the people who throw that out as some "saving grace" for the film, as if it was "perfect". Far from it. He followed the trail of smoke from the plane, after hearing the news story about it being in trouble. No excuse for him to "forget" which was the more URGENT "disaster". Anyone with a "basic" grasp of Superman, hell, superheroes in GENERAL, wouldn't have made THAT mistake. The needs of the MANY always outweigh the needs of the FEW. His idiot "writers" share a lot of the blame there. But ultimately, HE filmed it.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Let me ask SR haters a question.

    by oisin5199

    Why are you personally offended when someone praises this film? Why do you feel the need to viciously insult those people and make incredibly stupid statements like "anyone who likes it is retarded"? (Thanks for representing the lowest common denominator, Zug.)Why are you so determined to have a unanimous consensus? So you can say EVERYONE hated it? The problem is you are WRONG. Not everyone hated it. In fact, some, even here, loved it (thanks for some evidence, ttman). I think Kal Reeve's assessment is right on the money. Singer has said that the first film was about exploring the issues around being adopted and feeling abandoned by your family, and that Lois' new family and the fact of Supes having his own son directly addresses this. Singer didn't make YOUR Superman (you know, the one all about punching stuff), but he made his. You can not like it all you want, but don't act like little brats and insult the ones who did. <p>As far as this rumor goes, I don't believe it for a minute. Even if Zod's in it, he won't be the main villain, but probably a catalyst for action. Every report on this sequel has stated that the main villains are Brainiac and Metallo. And everything Singer has said has indicated that the action is ramped up for the sequel. So stop whining.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Answer for the retarded Singertologist

    by Kal El Vis

    Don't worry about why we do what we do. Try figuring out what saying YOU "liked" Singerman Repugnant means. WE all know, something tells me YOU don't. What an asshole, he WHINES about being called a retard, then ends it with "stop whining". "Every report"?? What "reports" have come out in the last 3 months, genius? THIS admittedly unsubstantiated, second-hand "tidbit"? Yeah, this is reason enough for you morons to celebrate. Prepare for disappointment, Singer "lovers".

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Can't Bryan Singer just blow Richard Donner

    by thegoddamedbatman

    and get it over with?

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    thegoddamedbatman

    by Kal El Vis

    How do you think he got Donner's "approval"?? 0oooo, no he di-in't.....

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    oisin5199

    by 2LeggedFreak

    "Singer has said that the first film was about exploring the issues around being adopted and feeling abandoned by your family, and that Lois' new family and the fact of Supes having his own son directly addresses this. Singer didn't make YOUR Superman (you know, the one all about punching stuff), but he made his." The trouble with this is that Singers Superman bears no relation to anybody elses. He could have gone and made a film all about these themes under a different name. Superman is not about a deadbeat dad/stalker with a Messiah complex to most people. Another thing is that hijacking a character that is popular with all age ranges and putting your own agenda on it may please some of the older fan boys who need to feel grown up about liking men in underpants but it didn't please me. Try taking your kids ( who were marketed to death on this shite) to watch it and explain to them why Superman gets his ass kicked (whilst whimpering and screaming like a cissy) and then there is no direct pay back for the villains involved ( unless of course you count their deaths as murder by Superman which is again a colossal faux pas). Its a crappy bore fest made by somebofy with an ill judged agenda and it does not in any way feel like Superman.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    superman retards...

    by DuncanDisorderly

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    SupahDupah

    by joeswift

    Superman Returns was well done. Just too many geeks wishing for something mammoth. Singer's right on track. Of course he had to establish character and back story as a reintroduction, which of course slows the tone of the movie. Next flick'll surely be action packed.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 2:57 p.m. CST

    sorry, pressed wrong button!

    by DuncanDisorderly

    There were so many faults with superman retards ( lifting an island made from kryptonite??? ) but the worst one was the superbrat. Singer ( Hack! ) said his superman movie was a sequel to superman II. When superman/clark kent slept with lois he'd given up his powers and became human, so, how the fuck does the child have kryptonian abilities?! I will never watch any more of this crap!!!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Yawn.

    by CranstonS

    I really, really wanted to like Superman Returns. I really, really didn't. It had one good bit -- the catching-the-airplane sequence was pretty cool. But the rest was just meandering and whining. Let Donner's Superman be its own thing, and someone make a NEW Superman movie, dammit!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3 p.m. CST

    just can't let it go, can you?

    by oisin5199

    I'm the asshole? Really? Because I've called you out on dickish behavior? Because I'd rather see people actually discuss a topic civilly and intelligently without devolving to playground insults? Sorry if the truth hurts, but grow the fuck up. <p>sorry, 2legged, but I can't agree with you because I immediately reject your premise that Singer portrayed Supes as a deadbeat dad and a stalker. This is just so wrong it's funny. I've had this argument EVERY single SR talkback and I'm not going to go through it again. To me, that kind of interpretation is much more laying your own agenda on interpretation than what you're accusing Singer of. He didn't just pull these ideas out of his ass - he felt that they were inherent to the character. I (and many others) agreed and found those aspects of the film resonant. Maybe it's because some of us have grown up and started families of our own. I don't know what to tell you. But these themes are what makes Clark human, vulnerable, and relatable. Take that away, what do you have? A bully in tights. Boring. Besides, the Donner/Lester films had Superman get his ass kicked AND had him using his x-ray vision to see Lois' underwear, which is much worse than checking up on her and her family because he cares about her.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    "Next flick"?

    by Kal El Vis

    Oh, you mean JLA. That's true, Superman will actually DO something besides "peep" Lois, and lift things. Those of you expecting to see Singerman cry and act creepy again, all the while wearing a shitty suit with a sugary children's snack on his back, plan on waiting a LONG time. Like, forever.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:13 p.m. CST

    nice rumour. to bad the film aint gonna happen

    by slappy jones

    and if it does SINGER HAS TO DO SOMETHING NEW WITH IT. surely he is not going to follow it up with another big budget fan film??? anyway...i don't believe the film will ever get made. I reckon we will see another superman film eventually but it will be with a new director and won't have anything to do with singers cover version of donners superior film.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Nuff of Zod...bring on Darkseid!

    by Judge Briggs

    Damnit, we want action! No more Zod!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    The Singertologist just keeps PROVING

    by Kal El Vis

    He's IGNORANT. Hey, douchebag, Lois ASKED him what color her underwear were. Did he just do it? Only a fucking moron would say THAT is "worse". And he did it because he "cares"? Is that how you CONDONE a violation of her trust? I don't recall Lois asking Singerman: "Hey, can you stop by my place around 8 o'clock tonight? I plan on having a private, intimate conversation with my FIANCE about YOU". And you ARE an asshole. No one here has to conform to what YOU want. Don't like it? Fuck off. "Many others"? What a shithead.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    I don't get the Superman Returns hate.

    by Durendal

    I really don't. Maybe you didn't like it, but it really wasn't a bad film. Boring? Yeah, damn that actual character and story development! And I don't give a damn what other people say. I liked Spacey as Lex Luthor. His performance was certainly more subdued than Hackman, but there was less camp and he actually had more menace. Hackman's Luthor didn't feel threatening at all, just a twat who fancies himself a genius as opposed to a menacing twat who fancies himself a genius. Donner's versions were fun films, but they were just a tad too campy. SR was a more serious take (not too serious, though) on the franchise, and I really liked it. That being said, I don't see how they could bring Zod back, much less why. I hope this rumor is bogus.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Hey, oisin5199

    by Zug

    I don't have to see "my" Superman on film, oisin5199. It's just that if one is made I would like to see a good one, rather than $200 million spent on a crapfest that could have been used to feed starving Africans. And I am speaking my opinion about it because I hope to be one of enough voices that Warner Bros. will hear us and abort the abominated sequel before it even begins and the character is further ruined. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I'm sorry, if you thought this was a good movie, or even a good Superman movie, you're just plain wrong. The slavish, sickening devotion to Donner is absolutely horrible. There's not one single decent memorable line in the movie that isn't ripped straight out of the Donner movie. There's no "there" there. And Routh can't act for crap. They covered up his lack of acting ability the way they used to try to disguise Carnie Wilson's blubber.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    You ask a question, then follow it with:

    by Kal El Vis

    "And I don't give a damn what other people say"?? I stopped reading at that point. Anyone who can contradict THEMSELF in their OWN post is obviously an idiot. Next.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Paulseta!!!

    by eric haislar

    Please do thell the nicole kidmann stories.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    I know why I hated it

    by Blood T Cat

    No big Superman action, the kid, the tired Lex Luthor plot, the overall slavish devotion to the over- rated Donner film. Any of the recent Superman animated shows was vastly more entertaining.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Character and Story Development?!? PLAYOFFS?!?!?

    by Zug

    You have got to be kidding me! Those characters were paper thin! You can get better character development on any crappy soap opera there's ever been. And story? Lex Luthor uses kryptonite to make a big new ugly continent, and only Superman flies out to see what's up because the rest of the freaking world hasn't seemed to notice. And I just love how kryptonite poisoning can be overcome by learning you have a kid. Yeah, that's real serious all right.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Kal El Vis and Zug

    by oisin5199

    Kal, you truly are a shining paragon of man, you are. Are you 12 years old? Shouldn't you be in school? They probably wouldn't want you on this site at the school library. And Zug, you might want to look up the word 'opinion' in the dictionary. No one is 'wrong' for liking something or not liking something. And Kal, I don't think other people have to conform to what I think - I'm just pointing out the obvious that not everybody is so viciously against this project, like most of you state. And that hating the film doesn't mean you need to be a total dick to people who do like it. But feel free to keep showing your true colors.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:32 p.m. CST

    oisin5199

    by 2LeggedFreak

    My you are a mite patronising aren't you. (Thats means to treat somebody else in a condescending way, youngster). Where is your interpretation of what Singer intended laid down by the great man, I have to see this for myself. I have yet to see it anywhere. In fact the biggest sign that this is a crap fest of epic proportions is the decidedly apologetic looking Singer whose only option is to try and talk up Superman Returns 2. A lot of us have started up families my little friend and even as a parent of three teeenagers I find this film infuriating. And to put it in perspective I sat through the original Superman 3 and 4 films in the cinema in slack jawed disbelief but I never once felt as gut wrenchingly angry as I did at the total waste of opportunity that is Superman Returns.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    oisin5199

    by Kal El Vis

    In other words: "I got NOTHING, so I'll call YOU a "child" FIRST. Zing!!". I shot his stupid ass assertation that Superman answering Lois' question in S:TM was WORSE than him stalking and peeping in Singerman Repugnant all to hell, and THIS is the best he can do. And how does he follow it up? By trying to tell OTHER PEOPLE how they need to post. You are a world-class piece of shit, Singertologist.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Oh, really?

    by Zug

    Are you not wrong if you think the Nazis were a swell bunch of fellas? Are you not wrong if you think diarrhea would be a nice condiment on a hamburger? Are you not wrong if you think Catwoman is a better film than the Godfather? You can think and hold whatever opinion you want, but that doesn't mean you're free from criticism. You're free to like the craptacular Superman Returns, and I'm free to think you're retarded for doing so.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    smallville...JLA...Superman

    by davids

    In The same vein. The guy who runs smallville said he would not give the kid who plays Clark time off to Play superman in the JLA movie. Since This is suposed to be smallvilles last season and they stop shooting around late march or mid april. Why couldn't weilling play supes in the JLA film. The Move is suposed to start filiming Feb 10th. You telling me they could not film around Weilling for 4 to 5 weeks until Smallvilles filming is done?

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Hey, Zug

    by Kal El Vis

    What he is failing to admit is, the stalking and peeping of that film were what REALLY "resonated" with him. He is a pervert and a scumbag, and it made him "happy" to see it portrayed on-screen. To him, THAT is "character development". To those of us with brain cells, it's called a TRAVESTY.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Terence Stamp is too old! It would be pathetic!

    by Orionsangels

    I'm sure Mr.Stamp would agree with me

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Why do you say these things Kurzinski?

    by Orionsangels

    "When you know I will kill you for it" Haha just remixing one of Zod's lines from SupII.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Kal El Vis, but as much as I hate the super-kid,

    by Zug

    There are plenty of things in that movie I hate just as much. The entire thing is so painfully derivative. Singer and those idiot writers were so in love with those crystals that grow fortresses and Luthor's "land" speech that they had to cook up Luthor's scheme based on that. Hey, if he tries to grow a continent, we can have him repeat the "land" speech! And while Spacey can be a good actor, having him repeat those lines was just painful, because all you could think about was just how much better Hackman. Same with Routh. Not to speak ill of the dead, but Reeve wasn't a master thespian, though he sure looked like one compared to Routh. Bosworth was borderline nonexistent. She actually had me longing for Kidder's smoky-voice, tough-city-broad Lois. Uggh! My eyes! My eyes!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Kal, really.

    by oisin5199

    If I thought you would actually listen to and respond to an intelligent post, I would direct one to you, but I'm not going to waste my time when you act like such a total fucking asshole. So have fun playing with yourself. Maybe I'll post later when you go away and someone else wants to have a grownup conversation.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    If this were true...

    by Philvis

    Which I am pretty sure it's not, this would go to show you why JLA is being greenlighted ahead of MOS. Singer needs to cut the homage crap and make an original Superman film. Stop trying to make a cookie cutter Christopher Reeves and goofball Lex. This is definitely one of those wild rumors. Don't plan on seeing MOS unless Superman is revamped from the homage Superman Returns.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Any grownup conversation

    by Zug

    could not possibly include anyone who thinks Superman Returns was anything other than a horrific crapfest.

  • Go screw your dead father's corpse some more, you dumbass. How many times have you appeared on "To Catch A Predator" in the last year? Stupid idiot.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Superman - The Movie ... BEST movie ever!

    by Chrisn

    Donner did everything right! The original Superman movie is fantastic and has a magical touch. Reeves IS superman! Forever. Singer did everything wrong, starting with filming a bad script. The writers don't know Superman and I wonder why this script got green light!? They build technologies to film better fly scenes and I wonder where the scenes in the movie are? Every scene I remember are 3D. The only one is the flying Clark in the barn... but was this worth a hangar full of fly equipment to let him fly for 2 seconds??? Every scene in TVs Smallville looks better and I bet is way cheaper. Singer is overrated. It starts with his The usual suspects and it ends with Superman Returns. Now he wants to bring back Terrence Stamp which for me as a fan sounds great... but remembering SR I only can say I don't need this movie! But why is everyone talking about the Return of ZOD or a movie like the Donner movie when the solution is so easy: Superman - The Return of Donner! Why not bring back the original Director? Let him make a new Superman movie and start from crap. I bet it will be much more fun to watch like the bullshit Singer showed us.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    See how he RUNS?

    by Kal El Vis

    He took my advice, and fucked-off. Notice how he ignored EVERYTHING that was said, and instead chose to act "offended"? It's easier to do that, than to face a little thing called REALITY.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST

    TTMoron

    by Kal El Vis

    Why would I screw MY father, when your mother and sister suffice?? True, both are UGLY as SIN, but they don't mind anal. And I DO love a little mommy-daughter butt-banging!!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Chimpansee typewriters...

    by Chrisn

    What happens when you take some monkeys and show them the original Superman - Movie and later sit them before a typewriter? ... Answer: They have written Superman Returns! Man I know not everybody can be Mario Puzo and the people involved on the first script... but this script to SR is so bad and lacks every emotion and clearly is an example on how bad writers work buy taking from other movies like the original Superman Movie. Homage... my ass!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    So far no replies to my question about Superman Returns.

    by mrfan

    I asked the Superman Returns lovers to answer a couple of questions. No one replied. I will ask again. Is this movie suppose to be a sequel to the older Superman movies? If so, how did Lois figure out that Superman is the father of her child when she is suppose to forget their romantic night together? Why did she not question her pregnancy and who got her knocked up? Now, if this movie is suppose to stand on its own then why did Singer for all purposes remake the first one? I mean if you really look at the plot it is nothing more than an updated version of the first one. Yes, there are many new nuggets added. But seriously the movie was weak. I love Singer when he is doing drama. Hate his superhero movies. I wish he would just not return to the sequel (if there is going to be one).

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Disliked Superman Returns

    by jtishere

    And without a major overhaul, I can't see the series getting any better. Three things I believe screwed it up: 1) Routh can't act. Sorry, he just can't; 2) No chemistry between any of the characters; 3) Stupid plot. How could Luthor think he could "sell" pieces of the continent he created? A couple of F-16s would have dispatched him before he could put up the for sale signs.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    OK. So 'Superman Returns' was a big hand job....

    by not_feeling_the_love

    But it didn't suck. It was just mediocre. And it certainly does not require another sequel; it needs energy, action, and big production numbers with hundreds of scantily clad dancers. And monkeys - it has to have monkeys. Oh, and don't forget... at some point a Giant Space Spider needs to attack. I'd rather someone pour more money into the Justice League movie than another lame Superman sequel.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    The problem with Singer's Superman...

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    is just that...it was SINGER'S. Superman is bigger than any one of us. I want to see OUR Superman, not 'Singerman.' Singer was arrogant in the way he handled the history of this character and it was extremely disrespectful in every way. Period.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Messi

    by veritasses

    Points noted. I'd love to see Demme, Fincher or even (based on what they're saying about The Mist) Darabont's take on a "dark" super hero movie. It'd obviously be targeted towards a different demographic then the typical PG-rated summer blockbuster but it would probably be one heck of a movie.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    2LeggedFreak

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    You said it WAY better than me. Kudos. ;^)

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    AND count me in on wanting to hear

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    the dish about NICOLE KIDMAN. Spill it!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Include me about wanting to hear...

    by mrfan

    Nicole Kidman stories.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Kal El Vis - 40 year old virgin...

    by TTMan

    ...with the mind of a 10 year old. Which is why he prefers them. Preferably male.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST

    orionsangels

    by Frank Black

    Terrence Stamp could probably whip the daylights out of any one of us! I am sure that he is not only, not too old, but is likely in better shape than most of this site's readers.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Bringing Stamp back is a bad idea, if you ask me.

    by a goonie

    I didn't much care for Superman Returns for a number of reasons. But one of my biggest problems with the movie was that the entire picture was so madly in love with Donner's original pic and so afraid to come out from underneath that behemoth's shadow that it felt like a lame remake at best. I mean, for fuck's sake, even Lex Luthor's big dastardly plan was a stone's throw away from being the same as it was in the 1978 film. Unlike Batman Begins, which gave us a refreshing cinematic take on a well-known character, Superman Returns offered us Bryan Singer's version of Richard Donner's version of Superman. And Richard Donner had Christopher Fucking Reeve playing his Supes, not Brandon Routh, who bears a physical resemblance to Reeve but has none of his charm and presence. So that said, if Singer has to make another Superman movie, then I personally would like to see him distance his version from Donner's a little more. Okay, a lot more. Putting Zod in there seems uninspired to begin with, but having the same guy play him that played him so many years ago is just silly. It will be far more distracting than entertaining. But maybe that's just me...

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Mr. Singer, please step over here next to Renny Harlin...

    by seniorspeilbergio

    Look, I understand you SR defenders are upset at how much people don't like this movie and that's why you keep asking why. Well, first off, before you guys started getting mad at everyone for pointing out the massive flaws in this movie, the talkbacks were rather humorous and dismissive. No one cared all that much but evryone started spewing bile when the defenders started getting pissed off. And yeah, you fanned the flames guys. But back to the main point. Why are people so angry at this movie? Because it symbolizes the lack of respect and quality in current movie making that the corporations, oh excuse me; studios churn out with such arrogant smugness. As you watch the trailer for SR you can almost feel the scorn and disdain these talentless suits have for it's audience. We have become the equivalent of Mikey in those old Life cereal commercials to them. "hey, don't worry about, story, character or originality. These ignorant fucks will buy anything". That's honestly what they think. Don't kid yourselves otherwise. And the problem is, if they make another movie and can somehow justify a profit with there fucked up accounting practics, we'll get more of these homogenized, group market tested, uninteresting, blandly designed snoozefests and I for one have had enough. So, yeah. You know what? I am pissed. As I damn well should be. I'm pissed because I want this to stop and I want movies to be as godd, heartfelt and all immersive as they used to be and can be again.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Of Course the $60,000 question is

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Never mind the Superman Returns fans on here, what the hell happened that this enormous turd got such critical aclaim. Unbelievable.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Hopefully the rumours involve

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    Naomi Watts? Let your imaginations fill in the blanks I guess. Oh, and Superman Returns was horrible. Any random episode of Smallville is 100x better.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Singer is not a Hack

    by robzass

    Usual Suspects, Apt Pupil, X1&2, Superman returns, upcoming Valkyrie. This is a respectable filmography. I noticed Superman Returns was more popular with an older non fanboy audience, so in a way it was a success.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Problems with SR

    by tk 421

    For those of you who liked it, I don't think your retards or assholes. I just think that this is such a subjective medium that people can see the same thing and have completely different reactions to it. Me? I guess I wanted MORE from the film. I felt the pacing felt off, the casting of Lois was misguided, and Luthor as the villain was repetitive. The kicker for me was that I liked Richard a lot more than I liked Superman. Come on, I should always like Superman more than anyone else. If there is a sequel, the inner fan-boy in me wants to see Superman battling Darkseid and using all his powers.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST

    robzass

    by tk 421

    I agree, I don't Singer is a hack at all. Apt Pupil and The Usual Suspects were fantastice. The X movies were good too. Someone poster earlier that they thought he fit better with the X-Men movies and I agree with that completely. Telling a story about people who are hated and feared because they are different is something he can relate to more than the story about someone who everyone loves.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    tk 421

    by TheNorthlander

    I hear what you're saying, but come on. That intro was nostalgic goosebumps. Kevin Spacey owned that Luthor part. Seeing Marlon Brando in the ice cave was awsomeness.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Also, regarding Singer and Superman Returns

    by TheNorthlander

    Don't forget that if it hadn't been for Singer we would either have no new Superman movie at all or someone like Brett Ratner, McG or Len Wiseman.<br> <br> Before he left X-men 3, the Superman franchise had been in limbo forever. Nobody wanted to play Superman, JJ tried to "reinvent" him by changing EVERYTHING in the story (you remember? liquid superman costume that lived in a jar, Krypton not exploding, him kung fu fighting in the air with his cousin, lex luthor being an x-files type agent who was actually ALSO from krypton and who ALSO had super powers, Jimmy Olsen gay?). Brendan Fraiser as superman? Nicolas Cage?<br> <br> AND YOU GUYS ARE BASHING SINGER??

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    TheNorthlander

    by tk 421

    I am NOT bashing Mr. Singer. I am vehemently disagreeing with his choices in SR. I'm not a Spacey fan AT ALL. So his Luthor did nothing for me, but more than that the choice to include the character felt redundant to me. And the Brando thing would hold more water with me if he hadn't despised his role in that movie.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 6:44 p.m. CST

    SUPERMAN RETURNS had it's heart in the right place

    by Klaus Herzog

    I totally get what Singer tried to do with it. And in the places he got it right, boy did he get it right. There are some AMAZING scenes in this film. Is it deeply flawed in other places? You bet. But I hope these mistakes will be corrected in the sequel and for me, it can't come fast enough. Regarding Zod: It sounds great in theory, but what to do with it? I mean, Terence Stamp is great and all, but he's old now. Really old. You can't have Superman fight an 70year old man. That would be ridiculous. Why drag out Zod again? You remade SUPERMAN - THE MOVIE already, don't remake SUPERMAN II as well. Bring on some new villains. Brainic, Metallo, Darkseid. And introduce Doomsday somehow and set him up as the big opponent in the third film. That's the way to go. And get darker. Let Supes suffer some heavy losses (kill Superboy?) and let him show emotion. Don't let him be the wholesome boyscout all the time. Today's audiences aren't interested in that. They don't want Reeves's Superman again, they want something new. Ohh..and recast Lois Lane.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZod.

    by dr.bulber

    its a quiter gentler zod. zod with feelings and puppies.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Really?

    by TheNorthlander

    You don't like Spacey? But he rocks!<br> <br> Btw, Alec Guinness despised his role in Star Wars too. I don't really think that puts a damper on Ben Kenobi.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Dude! Spacey?!?!

    by tk 421

    Is that sarcasm? Does anyone really enjoy what Spacey does? And yeah, for me, Guiness' despisal of his role in Star Wars dampens my enjoyment of Ben Kenobi. When an actor openly despises a role they play, it colors not only his performance but the entire show as well.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Re: Terence Stamp's age

    by TheNorthlander

    Stamp is actually 17 years YOUNGER than Christopher Lee, and if he could do AOTC (and if Bruce Willis can surf on a plane) I don't technically see age as the main problem here.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Spacey is THE MAN!

    by TheNorthlander

    tk 421, I don't really follow your train of thought here, since Guinness didn't openly start to bash Star Wars until his last years, and it was mainly because he didn't like being remembered for that role.<br> Does that mean Ben Kenobi was a good performance for 15-20 years and then became a bad performance without actually changing? How does that work?

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Ben Kenobi

    by tk 421

    No dude, I'm just talking out of my ass. I love Ben Kenobi, even if Sir Alec didn't.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8 p.m. CST

    New Superman Movie. A NEW ONE.

    by The Chosen

    Superman Returns didn't went well because it was a homage to the old movies. I loved the movie. Remember a friend of mine saying "Oh my, i really needed to see a man carrying an island". Bryan Singer did a terrific job. It's a beautiful movie, a gentle movie, etc. But i think one is enaugh. He has much to gain retrieving much more mythology from the comics than from the other movies. Bringing back Zod will make it much harder to impress the audiences. Unless he is completely creative, the movie may even be a great picture, but it will sink in box offices and there won't be a third. AND I AM MUCH MORE INCLINED TO LIKE SUPERMAN RETURNS 2 THAN TO LIKE THE J-LEAGUE PICTURE. For me, make a SUp 2, a Batman 3, a G.Arrow, WW, Aquaman, and then make a J league.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Let's end the retro...new direction and new ideas

    by Alabama Smith

    Okay as much as the geek in me wouldn't mind this...let move forward people. This is like the high school football stud still trying to play the game. Let's move on and no more retro!

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Seriously, STFU

    by MarkPhantom

    Okay, how about I propose that it was the best superhero movie of the last five years? Which it flagrantly was, since X-Men 3 was an abortion, Spiderman 3 relatively disappointing and Batman - the most overrated superhero ever (since he's just like us!! Yeah, except for the $100 billion he's got in the vaults, yeah, an ORDINARY dude) - has a lot to prove. Don't get me wrong, I loved Batman Begins, but who could not feel a sense of childlike joy during Superman Returns? It's just so wonderful to see the film like that. Yes, a sequel would be awesome. You know you want to see it, even you naysayers who slag off the film because it's 'gay' apparently (you have no idea how retarded that maes you look) want to see it.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST

    HUGO WEAVING for Zod

    by KongMonkey

    He's already got flight time in from that last p.o.s. matrix movie. Heres how you lay it out. Zods pissed. Pissed cause he thinks luthor lied and zapped his powers away in 2. Regaining his powers by some clichetwist when luthor stole crystals, zod rises from fortress of solitude minus the awful flamboyancy that he had in 2. So zod doesn't kill him, Luthor reveals to zod that Lois's kid is supermans kids. Zod kills cyclops, then kills kid. Supes goes berzerk and makes the final bout between the two that much more brutal. Clark reveals himself as supes to grieving lois, they move on, cliffhanger it all with Doomsday bursting thru his shell of a ship underground or some shit.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 9:28 p.m. CST

    How about...

    by Green Arrow

    something new? Frak! How's about something that doesn't involve Lex Luthor?

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST

    stamp

    by darwinwins

    "tell him i'm coming!" but seriously, cast stamp as zod but get rid of everyone else and start semi-fresh. get rid of singer.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:07 p.m. CST

    GOD IS GREAT! SIMON PEGG CONFIRMED TO PLAY GENERAL ZOD!!!

    by Laserbrain

    Which is only a marginally worse idea... actually it's a better idea, if I were to be honest with myself.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Sorry, someone already hit that...

    by Laserbrain

    Hey, it's a long TB. Sue me.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Superman Return Sucked, Yes Really

    by Jeffnyc

    Can you really say movie was good or even great when the Superhero (Superman) only faces the bad guy(Lex Luthor) for only like 5 minutes. Plus he never really saves the world cause as far as he knows Lex still has the crystals. He never even goes after Lex. It was basically a soap opera. A must have for every Superhero/comic book movie is the good guy must at least match wits and actually engage the bad guy. All other movies had this at least even movies like Daredevil.

  • Oct. 12, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST

    SInger is dangerous

    by Immortal_Fish

    Please, someone stop this lunatic from destroying all 4-color properties in our two-party comic system.

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 12:05 a.m. CST

    I Think The President Should Kneel Before General Zod

    by skoobyx

    If it would save lives. That would be my Presidential Debate question: <p> "Senator, assuming three exiled criminals from Kyrpton arrived on Earth after gaining super powers from our son and their leader asked you to publicly kneel before him would you be willing to consider this course of action, assuming that you could blurt out an appeal for help from Superman before the camera cut out?"

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Oh man, a Supes Returns talkback......

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    ......and I'm only finding out about it now? How could you guys start without me? And where's Moto? Moto, where you at? Oisin? Ah yes, there you are - I'll get back to you in a bit, my precious. Let's see; let's just go through the checklist here: more or less general consensus that Superstalker Returns was a huge pugnacious crapfest and general blight on humanity. Check! the spotty and occasional apologists making fools of themselves by trying to make ludicrous points and a defense for said crapfest. Check! Check! Oisin getting into losing battles every which way and getting his buttockal rights handed right back to him fully boot-imprinted: Check! Check! Check! and double Check!! Oisin, Oisin, Oisin; did you never learn anything at all from our previous encounters? Nothing? Even amidst all those bruises and and black eyes, I thought you would have at least picked up the small simple nugget of knowledge that it's never a good idea to get into an intellectual bout with someone who's way waaaaaay smarter than you are. Especially when they're right. And especially on something, oh so obvious, as the indisputable crapacious inanity that also calls itself Superman Returns. Oh well, I guess some people will never learn. As for this "rumour", and the whole ludicrous notion of a Singer-helmed SR sequel - assuming that this isn't all part of some WB scheme to gauge market interest in this "sequel" by "leaking" rumours (Note to WB: we still don't like it; REBOOT.........now) - it doesn't take a rocket scientist, or even a garbage collector for that matter, to tell you that this is an unmitigated disaster just waiting to happen. We'll enjoy it in that vein. Now I'm going to find myself a Kryptonite boulder to lift.............right after I stab myself with some Kryptonite shard right here on my side. 'Cause I rolls like that. What?

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Here's what was wrong with Superman Returns

    by Mankind

    Okay, fine. <br><br> Here's the whole, complete breakdown of what was wrong with Superman Returns. I'm not calling anybody stupid, I'm not swearing, nothing. I'm just breaking it down.<br><br> First off, right from the get-go, they messed with who Superman is. Where Superman, especially as played by Reeve, was a charismatic hero who was focused on everyone else around him, from the very first scene, we get a very different guy in this movie. While they kept repeating lines from the Donner films in order to invoke the idea that this was the same Superman, it never was. Reeve's Superman never would have taken off for scores of years without so much as a buy-your-leave. There was too much at stake--Reeve's Superman was not so much about obsessing about himself the way this one was. I get what Reeve's was trying to do. He was trying to explore the weakness of an insanely powerful man.<br><br>However, he went about it entirely the wrong way. What he did was make Superman weaker. He made things overwhelming for him that the old version of Superman shrugged off and moved on.<br><br> Instead, the way to explore Superman's weakness is to realize that, no matter how Super he is, he's still just a man. One man. And how does one man handle things when things are too much for any man, even a Super-man, to handle?<br><br>For a moment, I thought this would happen in this movie. I thought that, when the earthquake started, and Supes was headed back to the city, that this would be the moment when they did it right. An entire city was being destroyed. What does Superman do when there's too much for him to do? He can't really lift up the whole city, right? This was going to be the scene--who does Superman save when there's too many people to save them all?<br><br>But they didn't go there. Instead, it was just a "showcase powers" scene. There was one problem for his super-breath, one problem for his heat vision, and so on. Finally, he symbollically saves the whole city--nay, even the world--by catching a big globe and lifting it up.<br><br>Lots of people, myself included, felt that in a lot of ways, Marsden's character came across as way more heroic than Supes, precisely because Marsden came across as less self-obsessed. Ergo, more admirable.<br><br>Now, the statements in this thread about the strengths of Spacey's performance are correct. His performance was great. However, his plan was about the dumbest that has ever been created by any villian in any movie. His plan was, basically, to create an island. An island that, once created, was basically barren, rocky, and all but uninhabitable. And Luthor didn't even seem remotely dissapointed by this. It was the most bizzare and pointless evil scheme ever devised. Obviously, the only reason they made this the evil plan was because somebody wanted an image they thought would be "iconic"--the image of Superman lifting the giant Kryptonite island. They never really bothered to make it's creation make sense beyond the idea that an island is real estate, and Luthor from the first movie liked real estate.<br><br>While I don't have the same problems other people do about the idea that Supes can find the internal fortitute to lift a whole kryptonite island, this ends up leading to the most uninteresting, boring, and pointless climax ever to grace a summer blockbuster--Superman LYING IN BED MOTIONLESS for a bunch of scenes. There was ZERO suspense in those scenes. Not a single person in the audience believed for a minute that Superman was going to die. <br><br> To have the climax of a Superman movie be a bunch of scenes where Superman isn't so much as moving showed a fundamental misunderstanding of why fans appreciate the franchise. In an alternate universe, where someone else had handled the film, those same minutes would have been filled with some of the most amazing visuals ever to have graced the screen, incredible struggles where Superman was not only MOVING, but MOVING HEAVEN AND EARTH. Taking on some awesome baddie, some GROUP of awesome baddies, SOMEBODY besides a big rock and an IV needle.<br><br>But of course, the biggest mistake was obvious--the kid. The kid was the most massive mistake ever in the history of the Superman mythos. The kid was a worse idea than Beppo the Supermonkey. <br><br>The fundamental altering of the "Boy Scout" Superman as being the kind of guy who would even have the kind of unsafe sex that could lead to the birth of a child he didn't intend to bring into the world, let alone at least do a little x-ray vision on check on the status of the womb he'd raided before uncharictaristically taking off and abandoning everybody--it was not just bad judgement.<br><br>It was downright offensive.<br><br>Singer's done with this character. Don't let him touch him again.<br><br>Dougherty and Harris are done. Don't let either of them touch the character again either.<br><br>They all can make fine movies about other things, but their understanding of this character is so fundamentally flawed, they should not be allowed to so much as write fanfic.<br><br>Let someone do the next movie who will not take the easy way out--not create conflicts by making Superman have a harder time dealing with the issues that Superman has always borne with quiet resolve. That's cheating. Instead, create real conflicts that would really be overwhelming for a guy like him, and let us all get caught up in the excitement and thrill of watching him somehow manage to overcome them anyway.<br><br>That means bigger bad guys. That means more people being threatened than he can save all at one time--especially if, somehow, miraculously, he manages to figure out a way to save them all anyway.<br><br>I don't go to Superman movies to see angst. I go to Superman movies to be thrilled.

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Did WB Realise this movie was a major dissapointment?!?

    by P2Rock

    With the amount invested and the iconic nature of the property they should have gotten a better movie and larger Box office taking. My thoughts on this movie have already got me banned, but the short version is terrible concept (immitating donner in what is now a dated movie) and of course crap plot (why have a son, what sort of a ho is Lois)

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 2:34 a.m. CST

    I can't wait to see Superman beat 70 year-old Stamp to pulp...

    by DarthBakpao

    ... being old doesn't spare him any mercy. Bring on Superman Returns Again and this time i hope i don't fall to sleep.

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 3:27 a.m. CST

    The problem with old cunce who loved this movie(ie critics)

    by messi

    is that they don't understand Superman and his world is capable of so much more, for fucks sake Smallville shows this every week. 5 mins of the season premiere with bizarro had them fighting and had more fun, excitement and actual Superman-esque acts and tone than all of Superman Returns. Bizarro kicking Clark which makes him break a huge boulder, then Clark punching Bizarro through the forest breaking tress and landing on an electrical tower. That is fucking superman. Then Clark coming to the rescue of a kid and his dad by dispersing the water from the broken damn and then nodding. that is fucking superman. Skinny Routh spying on Lois. and shitty editing and structure. that is not superman.

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 3:30 a.m. CST

    instruction what the fuck are you talking about?

    by messi

    Smallville's clark actually fights and takes no shit from no one. think dumb cunt. He has fought zod and bizarro already and it was awesome.

  • Imagine if most of hollywood said that. What the fuck man. Lucas managed to INTRODUCE not reintroduce which is much easier, he managed to introduce characters in a film called star wars, but imagine with your apologist mentallity "Don't worry, i'll introduce the characters in the first one and save the action for the sequel" fucking idiots. Reintroducing characters is easy, proble is he failed and reintroduced shitty versions of characters. Bosworth's Lois was a disgrace, Langella's Perry White was atrocious, Spacey's Luthor was a joke and Routh's Superman was an impersonation of another guys superman. Idiots.

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 3:38 a.m. CST

    It was a bad Superman Movie and a bad movie in general.

    by messi

    just badly edited, badly structured, that bank robbery was terrible, this setup and no pay off, just offensive. bad bad bad film. then that terrible climax.

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Have Supes illegitimate son Jason

    by Dingbatty

    battle an illegitimate, cuckold child he had with Ursa, while a third illegitimate child he had with a Predator while on his deep space mission finishes off the winner.

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Never open your movie with a badly written title card

    by kwisatzhaderach

    and then go on to screw up the greatest title sequence ever made. It didn't help that the next two hours were godawful either.

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah, I'd be up for more (real) Zod

    by Fuck The Napkin

    Superman Returns was lame but I'd be there on opening day with cock in hand if we got Stamp as Zod in a sequel.

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 7:47 a.m. CST

    The First Superman Was Horrible

    by nexxus7

    Not to mention a box office and DVD disaster no matter how many ways they try to spin it. In trying to channel Donner, Singer took the franchise in the wrong direction. It was even worse than the first Fantastic Four, and almost as bad as Elektra. Warner needs to accept that, swallow their pride, fire some of the idiots who put the deal together in the first place and lost them a boatload of $, and then announce a new director who will actually make the kind of Superman movie audiences really want and will pay to see in the theater and buy on DVD.

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    re:nexxus7

    by Larry Sellers

    How you can put SR on the same level as FF or Elektra (?!) is beyond me. It was definitely underwhelming, but Routh was great, Spacey was decent enough, effects were fantastic, the story kind of blew but it was meant to be a reintroduction of the Donner-verse. That we knew from day one. I didn't hate Hulk, but I'd say that SR is getting the same sort of reputation. That is, it ended up way too far up its own ass for general audiences, but was a critical success. That said, what sort of Superman movie, pray tell, DOES the viewing public want?

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    When people make inane comparisons...

    by rbatty024

    like Superman Returns is worst that FF or X3, then they completely lose my sympathies because they obviously know nothing about film. FF, Elektra, and X3 all looked like they had ten dollar budgets and characters who were nonexistent. You at least can't say that about Superman Returns.

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    instruction

    by messi

    Ok I apologize. And my cussing is not fake. And I have no qualms in defending transformers, yes I really liked it and dont care. I hated everything leading up to it but I am man enough to say I was wrong, but it sure seemed to be heading that way, but I think Spielberg stuck his cock in saving it. Plus the score is fucking amazing, especially the autobot theme. Enjoy it as much as Zidane's theme by Mogwai. And yes Superman Returns sucked balls. That water dispersion by Clark in smallville ruled, it felt so much like Superman, and that nod he gives to the kid at the end of it with the music and the setup. Awesome. Plus Smallville is the first ever live action Superman to show Supes do the things he can actually do, fly like he can fly, speed like he can speed, heat vision instead of laser vision, x ray vision instead of see through vision and also the first one to show a Super Brawl(with his father in season 3, throwing each other into building columns, that was fucking insane) then topping it up with the fight with Zod and then Bizarro. My god thinking about it all, superman returns sucked mega mega balls. What a badly made film. In all terms, failed as a superman movie and also as a movie in general.

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Larry Sellers

    by messi

    They want a good one. That was not superman. Birthright was a superman movie told in comic form. Even that isn't great but it would have kicked Returns' ass. Critics don't know shit. They don't know any better.

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Fuck Zod,

    by wilsonfisk89

    Bring on real villians, Brainiac!

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Smallville

    by tk 421

    Is there really that much action in that show? I haven't ever watched it because it always seemed more like Dawson's Creek and less like Superman. But it seems like it may actually be pretty good? Is that true?

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Zod and Luthor?!? AGAIN?!?

    by MrMysteryGuest

    Oh, come on! We've seen these guys already! Bring in Brainiac or Doomsday! We need fights and destruction, dammit!

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns Returns: Miss Teschmacher's Tits

    by MrMysteryGuest

    Anyway, whatever happened to Miss Teschmacher during and after Superman II? And will Pam Anderson play her as a brunette?

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Singer is simply wrong for superhero film, but it's not about be

    by reflecto

    MANY gay people are behind the scenes of great science fiction, fantasy, and comic books. Lots of them. As a gay fan what I'll say is I think one of Singer's problems is that his takes on comic book properties have always seemed to ONLY filter through a gay social lens. X-Men, he talked about using a knowing gay perspective on the "hated and feared outcast." Superman, he did the same goddamn thing. Now that's a valid perspective for some films, and some superhero films, if you do it once and do it right. But no one, straight or gay, goes to see a Superman movie to watch him get hate crime'd and whine about acceptance from his Mom, so to speak. And those of us who do face it enough in everyday life don't want to see the same idea thrashed to death again and again in a superhero film like X-Men. I am gay but I'm also a huge X-Men fan, and his X-films, while visually brilliant in spots and with some great moments, were bland to me. They drone along with drab costumes, drab ideas, and drab execution. In both films, the villains come up short; Singer doesn't seem to have much interest in the Brotherhood in #1, and in X-2, it's all more fucking humans. He's ashamed of telling a story with REAL supervillains and REAL comic book action, and thinks he has to "elevate it", but in doing so, he just makes a much more bland, inoffensive, not terribly good film. He is a great suspense director and a great visual stylist, and he seemed much more interested in those things in both his superhero properties, but the plots were always beautifully-shot, meticulously-designed boredom. Having Superman lie in a hospital in costume is ridiculous. Having Lois and Clark STILL not on the same page about his identity after he fucked her and after four movies is ridiculous. Playing the "lonely outcast who can never have the family that is rightfully his" card with fucking SUPERMAN! is ridiculous. Superman is not the Incredible Hulk. Superman is SUPERMAN and the movie should be proud of it. Instead, it wallowed in shadows, ice, and darkness. The movie even ENDED AT NIGHT! What kind of Superman film ENDS AT NIGHT?! Singer blanded out both X-Men and Superman, and has created a curse of low expectations and efforts for both in the future. They can both be so much more.

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Here's what's wrong with Memories-of-Murder...

    by Kal El Vis

    He's a fucking idiot. "The hype"? Jesus, these assholes will blame ANYTHING but that shitty film itself.

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Face it.

    by mrfan

    The movie was not well written. Pretty much the same plot for the original. Just little areas were changed. Not enough Superman. Might as well call this Lex and Lois: The Movie. Way too many plot holes. I had questions then and still cannot get them answered. Fans of this movie still cannot accept that it wasn't very good. I would love to see a sequel. No Singer though. He should stick with dramas. Loved his Usual Suspects, Apt Pupil, and looking forward to Valkyrie (sp). All superhero movies should be off limits to him. Also, have a fresh approach to the character. Better villians. He does have other villians he can face than LL all the time. Too damn long. If you are going to make a Superman movie please make it fun and entertaining. Pretty bad when I check my watch twice to see what time it was. The character deserves better. I hope to see this when the next movie arrives.

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Only if Zod is joined by Brainiac and Darkseid

    by Drath

    I don't care if Zod wasn't originally an important Superman villain, he is now, and Superman has precious few villains that are allowed to return over and over again. I also think DC doesn't let enough of its villains have iconic looks outside of Luthor and Batman's rogue's gallery. From Superman 2 on, Zod should always look like Terrance Stamp in the black suit (or very close to that). But I tend to agree with others, Zod being used as the main villain in Superman Returns Again is too much of a repeat of Superman 2--this after SR was too much like S1 for a lot of us. It really doesn't make sense when Brainiac and Darkseid are so huge and so long overdue for a movie. Who doesn't want to see Superman battling Brainiac's Deathhead ship in high orbig as it rains down fire on Metropolis? Cheapass WB executives I guess. I love the idea of Stamp as an old Zod, but I think that would have been a whole lot cooler in SR than in its sequel. In a sequel it feels tired, where at least in SR it would have raised the stakes and felt new rather than another retread of the old movies. Then again, he'd probably have been used just as lamely as Lex Luthor, so probably it would never have been that cool. At this rate, would SR3 have Robert Vaughn and a CGI Richard Pryor? Give us something new to Superman movies that isn't lame like "oh, he has a kid and Lois has a new guy." And I still think Richard White should have been called Hal Jordan. He was even a pilot! It'd have been so much cooler than him being Perry White's son. Did that even play a part in the plot? No. Instead it felt like it was borrowed from Spider-Man 2. And Marsden would be such a cool Hal Jordan.

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    X3 was crap, but

    by reflecto

    that doesn't change the problem with Singer's superhero films. I'm sure Valkyrie will be good. He's better with what he's good at, drama and suspense.

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    What in the FUCK does this mean??

    by Kal El Vis

    "got to pussied out of Superman Returns". At least be coherent in your BULLSHIT, asshole. You listed that as the ONLY "problem" with this shitfest. And YOU, of course, are "Wrooong". How dare ANYONE expect a "good" comic book film, about the KING of all comic book characters, right?

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Please, Please, PLEASE! NO ZOD!!!

    by True Blue Fan

    There are so many wonderful villains to use instead of bringing re-tread villains back! Darkseid, Brainiac, the Parasite, Bizarro, are just a few great examples! Sure Stamp is an awesome actor, but Zod has been DONE! The same for Luthor! Please no more re-tread villains and no more re-cycled plot points. Superman Returns was the best execution of Superman doing super things in the cinema yet. It contained some great sequences and a wonderful soundtrack that raised the bar on the previous films. Do this work credit with new (previously unexplored) villains! The same emotional beats that would be used in stories with Zod or Luther can be used with villains like Brainiac or the Parasite! Using villains so well known to the public is just unimaginative. Break some new ground! -TBF

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST

    I think Stapp as Zod could be cool

    by DARTH VOODOO

    Zod was a great villian

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Who was the retard that liked "Returns" more than "II"?

    by TallBoy66

    You like Superman Returns more than Superman II? Really? Shit, you better done check yourself for you done wreck yourself, son.

  • Oct. 13, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Scott Stapp as Zod?!? WTF???!!!???

    by MrMysteryGuest

    The guy from Creed as Zod?!? You gotta be kidding me! :P

  • Oct. 14, 2007, 2:52 a.m. CST

    tk 421

    by messi

    The first season was 'Dawson's creek' esque but still enjoyable, even to look at because it's a high quality production show, but then the later seasons they started the mythology and then started bringing in big action pieces, and my god are they memorable. Season 6 they started making it very DCU. But yeah it has alot of action in it. Probably more action in one episode(a small setpiece) than the entirity of Superman Returns.

  • Oct. 14, 2007, 2:55 a.m. CST

    shuttlepod_10

    by messi

    X3 was more entertaining than superman returns. the phoenix scenes were better than anything in SR. looked better, sounded better. SR sucked balls.

  • Oct. 14, 2007, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns is not a Superman movie.

    by Dr.Poots

    Don't mean to start any flame wars by saying that, but, since I've never started one before, now's a good a time as any. Singer's Superman Returns, to me, is actually a lot like Tim Burton's Batman Returns. As far as the mythology of the characters is concerned, it is of no concern. The characters have been reinvented specifically for the purpose of the filmmaker exposition of his views. Case in point: Burton's characters in Batman returns are by no means the traditional characters as they've appeared in the past (as traditional as a character can be after 50+ years) - Batman, Catwoman and the Penguin are each struggling with their dual identities, their real faces and the faces they show the world. Batman was so busy figuring out who he was that solving mysteries and patrolling Gotham for crime was really pretty low on the laundry list. Superman Returns was even worse. It was less about Superman and far more about Singer's near-fetish for the Donner films, drenched heavily in his issues about being an orphan. For a personal film, I'm sure telling stories like these would've worked quite well, but this was not the Summer blockbuster I wanted to see.

  • Oct. 14, 2007, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Something else -

    by Dr.Poots

    If there's one thing I hate about defenders of this film (which, to me, you don't have to defend. If you liked it, you liked it. I'm easy), it's how they attempt to berate people who didn't like it as nothing more than simpletons who demand better, more thought-out versions of shiny objects be dangled in front of them. Look, I think if one were to take an informed and objective look at the picture, they'd realize that WB released a Summer blockbuster Superman that simply wasn't for everybody, despite the fact that everybody is exactly the audience blockbusters hope to attract. I, personally, have no desire to see an intensely personal film about a world-famous, classic superhero. Were the subject matter about, say, a death in the director's family released in the Fall, hey, great, gotcha. Personal movie. I don't want to see your Superman, though. Neither do I want to see the character butchered by people like McG. It is possible to make intelligent action films with heart. Or did I just imagine films like Die Hard and Raiders of the Lost Ark?

  • Oct. 14, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST

    I think you're on to something Dr. Poots.

    by rbatty024

    Batman Returns wasn't about Batman, it was about Tim Burton's Batman (actually it was more about Tim Burton's Catwoman and Penguin), which I was okay with. I like new versions of classic characters. It's a testament to Batman as a character that people can find so many things to do with him, because if they didn't he wouldn't have made it a decade, but the fact he's made it seventy years says something. If I want the "definitive" Batman, then I'll read Bob Kane's comic book. I liked the fact that Singer was using Donner's Superman and included themes I've never seen in a Superman story before. It was unique, but after reading your post I can see why you wanted something a little more inclusive. I just happen to disagree. I liked the ruminations on family, heroism, and mythology that Singer injected into his film, and while it wasn't perfect, it was much better than seeing the same old story over and over again (Transformers). I'm at a point where the same themes and take on a story are just incredibly boring to me. I need something different to get me into a theater, and thus I rarely see anything major films coming out of Hollywood anymore.

  • Oct. 14, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Messi

    by tk 421

    Sounds good, I'll have to give it a look then so I can be better informed the next time we all bitch at each other about this movie.

  • Oct. 14, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    The first post in this talkback pretty much said it all

    by Mr Incredible

    Have a good day.

  • Oct. 14, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    this is GREAT!

    by Maniaq

    I always thought Superman V should have been about Zod, stripped of all his powers, rotting away in some lonely corner of the world, trying to adjust to being just a regular shmo, and plotting to get back to the Arctic and get his powers back! I had a whole storyline in my head about how all those years turned him against the idea of simply owning the world and he was driven by pure, unadulterated vengeance! I supposed this could work just as well as a part VI, coz Supes now has a kid and Zod was right into making JorEl's heirs pay for the slight against him... <br> <br> Of course, I totally get those people who want to see new villains and let the old ones rest and I'd be just as happy for that to happen - especially since Superman V already happened and it had nothing to do with Zod...

  • Oct. 14, 2007, 5:23 p.m. CST

    HOLY CRAP - YOU ARE ALL SHITTY FUCKING PEOPLE

    by Bass Bastardson

    I can't believe the amount of homophobia, racism, sexism, ugliness and general lousiness of character that I have read in the talkbacks today. I am officially disgusted. You disgust me. Fuck.

  • Oct. 14, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Oh no, an ASSHOLE is "disgusted".

    by Kal El Vis

    Get fucked, you egotistical shit-for-brains. I have a feeling you're one of the morons who "liked" Singerman Repugnant. Explains why your post looks like it was written by a 9 year old with tourettes.

  • Oct. 14, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Encyclope Diadramatica.

    by Mixiboi

    Yeah you guys really would fit in at encyclopediadramatica.

  • Oct. 14, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Marsden would have been ICONIC as Hal Jordan....

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    Too bad they are going with the John Stewart GL. :(

  • Oct. 15, 2007, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns was a good movie

    by CuervoJones

    But Superman movies need to be more stupid to be fun.

  • Oct. 15, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    ZODDAMNIT!

    by Bionic Bigfoot

    I hate to say "be original" at this point...I think I let the nostalgia cloud my judgement on Superman Returns. I liked some of the "throwback" moments of the films & Routh did add a Reeve-esque feel to the character. I think the parts that tried to be "different" were the problem for me. Superman did seem creepy & He came across as a stalker. I do accept the film for what it is & I'd watch a sequel.

  • Oct. 15, 2007, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Come On!

    by DennisOFletcher

    Superman has been around for damn near 70 years now. And you mean to tell me that no one can come up with a better villain? One we haven' seen before? Come on! Out of the 5 supeman movies we've had in modern times Lex Luthor has been in 4 of them!! Enough already! And Zod? spare me. Give me something new. Or are we just going to name the new movie "Lex Luthor and friends?" AAAARRRGHHH!!!!! 70 years of story have definately given us new material. Thank goodness Richard Pryor has passed away or they'd probably make him part of the Superman Revenge squad!

  • Oct. 29, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Oh wow.

    by RedDragoon

    Bryan Singer is going to make a lame rip-off of the Donner films again. I'm thrilled.

  • July 24, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Mediocrity incarnate

    by Drummerboy

    Superman Returns was not a bad film but it most definitely was not a good film. The fact that there were a few good scenes could not make up for the fact that Kate Bosworth was completely miscast as was the wood like child actor who played Superchild who spent the entire movie with one gormless expression on his face. The poor characterisation, Clark Kent was too much the clumsy, nerd like idiot to the point that he was disfunctional, Lois Lane lacked the spark and vitality she had (and was too young by far) being instead a nasty bitchy woman who would quite happily put her child in danger and also came across as a bully to Clark. The plot was riddled with continuity errors which a film of this budget and post production time has no excuse to have. with regards to Superman not being portrayed as a stalker, who here on seeing an ex girlfriend may ask a few friends what she has been up to in order to catch up with where she is in life and who follows her back to er house without her knowing and hides outside in the bushes with binoculars having first bugged her house so you can hear what she is saying. Can you see the difference if you can't you may be a stalker yourself.