Tudyk says the newly-released “Serenity : Special Edition“ DVD has been selling so hot, that there’s talk in doing another movie. “They had to put [the new DVD] out because they’ve been selling out of the other one and so Universal’s like ‘So, let’s do another one’. And now… there’s now a chance there’s going to be another movie”.Judging from the many emails I've gotten, there may or may not be the slightest bit of confusion here. I think some readers are taking “another one” to mean “Serenity 2,” when Tudyk is really talking about the “Serenity: Collector's Edition" DVD (pictured above) that Universal issued several weeks ago. In other words, I’m guessing the greenlight boys at Universal have not yet told Tudyk (or Tudyk’s pal, “Serenity” mastermind Joss Whedon) anything like, “So let’s make another ‘Serenity’ movie.” Yet. I could be wrong. Find Moviehole’s original story here.
Oct. 5, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST
by Kung Fu Hustler
Oct. 5, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST
i loved firefly, i loved serenity, such a fun 'verse shouldn't be wasted. bring on the sequel baby.
Oct. 5, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST
for sure about Shepherd Book, Inara... If those stories get told, we could see Wash again, too.
Oct. 5, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST
I'll buy this DVD, see the next movie and buy THAT DVD twice.
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST
It did really well didn't it and was great, what's the problem? make a bunch back to back!
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST
yes, the first referred to another DVD. But he clearly states "talk of doing another MOVIE."<br><Br>now, im not getting my hopes up or anything, but at least the studio is considering it!
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST
by Charlie Murphy
haven't heard or read any, anywhere, until just this second. i'd love to see a new dtv Firefly flick. obviously no one's going to make and release another "serenity" theatrically, but dtv makes sense. i'm actually really truly surprised "serenity" wasn't dtv, actually...
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST
yes, the first referred to another DVD. But he clearly states "talk of doing another MOVIE."<br><Br>now, im not getting my hopes up or anything, but at least the studio is considering it!
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST
Hell if they can make straight-to-DVD sequels to Carlito's Way and American Pie, why not a great film like Serenity that has a huge following that has made the DVD a giant hit?!?
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST
by Omar B
Bring it on, I'm ready for Serenity 2! I would prefer Firefly season 2 though.
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST
... this will happen. I have never heard so many people (including myself, as I was very late to the party) say that it was an injustice that this show didn't continue after getting to see it. Plus, it doesn't have to be a prequel to have Alan Tudyk in it - Joss Whedon has said that he had a way to have Wash back in the future...
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST
I wonder.... if Sci-fi stopped airing all of the reality bullshit would they have had enough money to pick up Firefly and make new episodes? Probably not but what a fun thought.
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST
My cynical heart did a somersault when I read that headline. <p>If only we could continue this story somehow.
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST
The mainstream will never accept a space movie with cowboys. I like it - but I'm a geek who like sci-fi. Just accept it - it'll never catch on to the masses.
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST
the movie is well into the black now and the season series still sells well as do both dvd versions of the movie. There is most probably DOUBLE the audience for this franchise right now then there was when the movie hit the theaters.
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST
I will browncoat my pants. Both the TV Show and Movie rocked my balls.
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST
I dunno what to think.<p>Wash comes back as a Reaver?
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:25 p.m. CST
probably a "special mellenium gold edition" or something.
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST
by Fletch F. Fletch
And what's worse, the article closes with, "Well, shit, we don't really know either." Thanks for the update. Jerks.
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST
Anyways, I want to take this moment to apologize to all the Firefly fans that I had insulted and picked on saying that Serenity would bomb... It did, but the thing is I'm sorry it did. While I just can't get into the show, still think Battlestar is way better, and don't agree with your Brownshirtedness... I will say that when I finally saw Serenety on DVD I was super pissed that I didn't see it on the big screen, and truly loved it. So I am with you that I hope they do another one.
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST
Did not work for AICN writers. Geezus no wonder America is full of illiterate retards. Reading comprehension is WAAAAAAAAAAAY down. Nice job there whoever you are who posted this article. (Two days too late I might add)
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST
so a sequel unlikely. How did the DVD sell? They should make another one anyway, quality TV show, quality movie and in Nathan Fillion the best sci-fi captain since William Shatner and Harrison Ford.
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:38 p.m. CST
It didn't do incredibly well but it hardly bombed. It cost a little under $40,000 and made a little under $40,000 worldwide. So if we ignore the Superman Returns haters who claimed it cost something along the lines of $8 trillion dollars to advertise a film, the movie has probably already made back its advertising cost and made a small profit. I know people on Ain't it Cool News like hyperbole - it either bombed or it was a smashing success - but I'm afraid the world doesn't work in dichotomies. If every film that didn't set the box office on fire ended up bombing then Hollywood would have been out of business long ago. Serenity was a great film that had a mediocre profit.
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:40 p.m. CST
A great film with a mediocre profit is a good way to describe it. I assumed the budget was much more than $40 million so I guess thats not so bad. I'm sure the studio expected it to do around $70-80 million though.
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST
Serenity deserves AT LEAST one.
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST
The production budget for Serenity was 39 million dollars. Domestic gross was $25,514,517 and foreign was $13,354,947 making the grand total $38,869,464. It did not even break even theatrically, the dvd sales put it in the black, as is what happened with the Firefly dvd sales. <br> As much as I would like a Serenity 2, even as a direct to dvd like B5 all I would hope for is that they take their time and do it right.
Oct. 5, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST
embrace the thud.
Oct. 5, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST
My Dad loved Firefly, and kept talking to me about Serenity, and hyping it up, but I just didn't get it. Because of Fox being the crap network it tends to be, I never saw the show, I'm not much of a Joss Whedon fan, and the previews just didn't look that great. Then he bought me the dvd of the series and I LOVED it. I think it would be great to see more of this universe and these characters. Direct to DVD would be fine, since that is where the show and movie have done all their business anyway, although giving the characters a chance to try to draw an audience on the big screen again would be great.
Oct. 5, 2007, 6:28 p.m. CST
They find out that Wash's memories have been implanted in Jayne's (and I use the tern loosely) brain, so they all head out to the resurrection planet.
Oct. 5, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST
PLEASE make another Serenity movie or series!! Also IAMM, I disagree that another movie would be just for profit. The studio people might only see it as profit, but Joss and all the actors really love and believe in the show, at least they seem to, and I don't think Joss would make any Serenity/Firefly product with less than his whole attention.
Oct. 5, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST
...Insanity Later :)
Oct. 5, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST
Absolutely! Another movie, season 2, straight to dvd, theatrical, anything!
Oct. 5, 2007, 7:23 p.m. CST
by wampa 1
...who came up with this one?
Oct. 5, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST
We need a FARSCAPE flick before they get a sequel. ;)
Oct. 5, 2007, 7:28 p.m. CST
by Shepard Bauer
Please keep your ears and eyes open... I've been DYING to hear news like this. Seriously, throwing all the back story of Book away is such a waste! Its THE perfect setup for a new movie! It could start with the group broken up, Mal on some piece of crap land raising horses/full beard... Serenity nowhere to be found... he could even have a wife trying to 'move on' from Inara (oooo interresting side arc for the movie!) this crap writes ITSELF!
Oct. 5, 2007, 7:32 p.m. CST
by future help
Firefly is not such a great name either. They relly should have marketed it with a different name and huge Sci-Fi trailers. anyways, big fan of the shoe and movie. Now if i could only think of a proper title...hmmmmmm. Space Bounty? eh. too 80's. anyone have an idea?
Oct. 5, 2007, 7:34 p.m. CST
by future help
Chronicles of River. nahhh, not that either.
Oct. 5, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST
by Shepard Bauer
is off doing mercenary work, all harsh and rough after Wash is gone. Simon and Kaylie are married and having troubles getting pregnant. They are secretly funding/helping the new resistance against the Alliance. River is their ace in the hole, coordinating, planning, infiltrating the government's computers. Then she finds files from Book's past. Turns out Wash was his taxi pilot for Book's first secret mission as an OPERATIVE, like the baddie in the first movie. Things go wrong, Book washes out - but not after he does something that sets in motion the victory for the alliance against the Browncoats. River determines unlocking the deeper secrets of Book's past will give the Browncoats what they need for victory. She goes to Inara to find Mal. They find him just hours before his lil wife dies from sickness... the alliance wouldn't send more medicine to the planet. He won't leave her. She dies, he's in. And all darkified and intense. Turns out he's had Serenity parked in the valley by his house. They get serenity back up and running to infiltrate the system that has the rest of Book's secrets and discover Wash may still be alive. Turns out the planet they are looking on is also run by Niska. Jayne is drunk. A lot. Inara feels for Mal, he is completely shut down by his wife being gone. He finally breaks down and lets her in when she's captured and wounded by Niska. They get what they need, they learn how the alliance beat the browncoats so badly in Serenity valley, and how to circumvent that issue - giving hope and further creedence into a new war. Inara's out of the guild for her part in the raid. serenity flies off to the distance, knowing war is coming one day, sooner than later, but until that time comes, the group is free to run again, together. PERFECT LEAD IN TO 3RD MOVIE
Oct. 5, 2007, 7:49 p.m. CST
by Shepard Bauer
i'm gonna be sad when someone else gets all that money for writing the movie i just wrote.
Oct. 5, 2007, 7:49 p.m. CST
"two by two, hands of blue" If your in the know give me a "hell yeah". Of course thats would be the prime story with Books' black ops days as a flashback story B (just to keep the crew together)
Oct. 5, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST
than watching a David Lynch film on Acid.
Oct. 5, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST
by Shepard Bauer
good point rad, the hands of blue could be in it... perhaps they were the key to beating the browncoats... however i think they shouldn't make river and simon the focus of this movie like they did with Serenity...
Oct. 5, 2007, 8:05 p.m. CST
Any studio would be lucky to have the chance to do a "Serenity" sequel.
Oct. 5, 2007, 8:06 p.m. CST
by Shepard Bauer
No love for the plot? Oh well, i thought it was good at least...
Oct. 5, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST
So exactly what would you prefer? Star Trek? TNG? Those had their runs? Buffy? How many seasons did it get? What do you like, Battle Star Galatica? Yeah me too but it got three seasons. So what? Seriously? Firefly was one of the best sci-fi shows on TV and Fox effectively killed it. Serenity had kick ass special effects (Any new Star trek project should take note) and the plot was solid. So what in THEE fuck do YOU think is better?
Oct. 5, 2007, 8:20 p.m. CST
keep in mind that only about 40% of the theatrical income goes back to the producers, so it was actually 20+g short of being in the black theatrically.
Oct. 5, 2007, 8:36 p.m. CST
by Junior Frenger
To figure out whether a DTV Serenity movie is viable you must first have access to actual profit numbers on the DVD releases. If say each (not cumulatively) DVD release made in the ballpark of 6-8 million dollars. Then a 90 minute DTV Serenity/Firefly movie with a budget of 2-3 million would be viable. If 1 episode of BSG averages 1 million dollars per ep to make then certainly 3 million could buy a 90 minute TV quality DTV movie of Firefly/Serenity. If the budget to profit margin is in that ballpark then you may see a DTV sequel. As long as the actors Joss take union scale. Alas they never got the Buffy DTV movies off the ground and those would certainly be cheaper to make. So who knows.
Oct. 5, 2007, 8:37 p.m. CST
by Cotton McKnight
and this piece of crap gets 2? Unbelievable!
Oct. 5, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST
direct to dvd for a small movie (fans) or a video game...
Oct. 5, 2007, 8:44 p.m. CST
Yes. And yes. Yes. Yes again. Yes. Yes. <p> I'll be in my bunk.
Oct. 5, 2007, 8:56 p.m. CST
I can't believe this talkback has a much negativity towards serenity as it does. Even if you didn't like the show or the movie you should at least dig that a major movie house is giving lip service to this series despite the lack of huge mainstream success. It's being responsive to fans and that approach can make for better for better shows and movies in the future. I hope they don't make another firelfy movie because the last one ended perfectly, but thank god at least one studio is listening to the audience a little bit and not just the douchebag execs that come and go.
Oct. 5, 2007, 9:01 p.m. CST
Great series, great movie, I coudln't give a rats ass about box office receipts, that says nothing to the quality of a movie. Ever. Period. Browncoat me up bitches. I want more Mal.
Oct. 5, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST
then get Dolph Lundgren to play Red Skull. Washed-up vs. Who's-That-Guy?
Oct. 5, 2007, 9:19 p.m. CST
Serenity was okay. It wasn't great. It wasn't good. I loved Firely - I thought it was great. But Serenity was a casualty of what made it exist in the first place - a cancelled TV series. So Whedon had to wrap up what was planned to be multiple seasons into a single movie. The problem? It lost a hell of a lot of what made Firefly great in the first place - the interaction among the core cast members. Nathan Fillion is best when he's playing an uneven blend of cockiness along with some "unsureness" - there was a hint of that in Serenity, but mostly he played the same way Wesley Snipes play Blade - dour and determined. Look, I'm very sympathetic to Whedon here - he had a longer story arc planned for a TV series, it got cancelled, then he got a second chance with a movie. But it did lose what made the show great - the characters and their personalities. I know most Firely fans will disagree, but the movie didn't carry the spirit of Firefly.
Oct. 5, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST
did like the movie very much. Make the sequel!
Oct. 5, 2007, 9:45 p.m. CST
by Magnum Opus
I loved the TV show, and thought the movie was only so-so. I thoroughly enjoyed it as a companion piece for the show, but didn't think it stood on its own too well.
Oct. 5, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST
by Neo Zeed
They can pay for all the characters to come back, EFX work for space battles, and future sets...but they can't pay for one vampire (Spike) to go on a solo adventure? Makes no sense. Plus if it took place after the Angel apocolypse, it be even cheaper with some bombed out buildings and rubble. Like an old school Mad Max ripoff.
Oct. 5, 2007, 9:48 p.m. CST
I would love another Firefly project. Seems like the property can only find commercial success on dvd though, so maybe next time they should skip tv and the theater and just do direct-to-dvd.
Oct. 5, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST
..I didn't read a "no."
Oct. 5, 2007, 10:10 p.m. CST
by vic twenty
Remember, FOX executives made some decisions that killed this show before the first episode ever aired. <p> One - FOX never aired the first episode. You know, the one that introduces all the characters. How well would Lost, or Heroes, or any other episodic series do if the characters weren't introduced and established? <P> Two - FOX did not show the episodes in order. Unforgiveable. I was lukewarm on the series and bought it on DVD due to my OCD, and to my surprise it was great. Engaging, with characters you cared about almost immediately. It really does help a show when the dicks running the network are behind it. <p> Bring on a sequel in any form, says I.
Oct. 5, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST
are they gonna do a return of spock on us for the sequel?
Oct. 5, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST
Wiser words have never been spoken. Amen my brother...amen.
Oct. 5, 2007, 10:42 p.m. CST
by Toby Wan
About a month ago, Serenity was on HBO, I watched about 15 minutes and stopped myself, knowing I needed to see the series from the beginning. Then, Herc ran a story saying Amazon was running the series for 20 bucks. I ordered it. Watched the whole friggin series in 2 days. Immediately watched the movie. Loved it. I am now a HUGE fan of this shit.. What I'm trying to say is, this series is picking up fans like me long after it has "died". Make another movie..I will pay to see it in a theatre this time, I promise.
Oct. 5, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST
Those guys died in the comic. The douche from the movie was the next step up.
Oct. 5, 2007, 11:11 p.m. CST
You know, folks who hate on one franchise like FIREFLY/SERENITY complaining that it might get a movie or direct to DVD sequel are incredibly short-sighted. If, for example, the decide to do a direct-to-DVD sequel for SERENITY, even if you hated the series, you should wish it well. This stuff is the new frontier in entertainment business models. If a SERENITY sequel or the BABYLON 5: LOST TALES disc or STARGATE: SG-1 direct to DVD project suceeds, it will only inspire studios to try the same with other franchises like FARSCAPE or any of the other shows that have a fanbase hungry for more stories.
Oct. 5, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST
rather than a Serenity 2. The movie was great but it had a hell of a time juggling that many characters. I could understand why someone would be unimpressed if they had yet to watch an episode of Firefly. I, of course, loved the show (when it came out on DVD) and as such loved the movie. I have no clue why the Sci-Fi Channel hasn't picked up the rights. It can't be any more costly than Battlestar, which is one of two decent shows they've created in their entire existence. Also, I'm pleased Drive failed so that the hopes of a Firefly movie can live on (don't hate Drive fans, both of you). There is always the danger, as expressed by some posts, that reopening a new story arc would ruin the perfect Firfly/Serenity saga already in place, but I got the sense, even after the movie that there are more tales to tell, something I did not get after the final season of Buffy (which I think ended at the right time, the comic series is good, but it doesn't feel like season 8). Does anyone know what the fuck was up with the Preacher, that was one of several loose ends that never got tied up.
Oct. 5, 2007, 11:27 p.m. CST
But you can't take the sky from me. FUCK YOU FOX!!!!!
Oct. 5, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST
by The Outlander
Why would he mean another release of the DVD? What would they call it the Super Special Edition? Another one in the past has meant another movie not another release of the DVD. That's just dumb.
Oct. 5, 2007, 11:35 p.m. CST
Shows like K-Ville? HOW the fuck is that show on? A LANDMARK television event? Does anyone think Anthony I am one of the main reason Transformers was so Lame Anderson could be a cop? I guess America can handle that kind of Science Fiction, just not real science fiction or storytelling. But throw in the fact that its important because it takes place after Katrina? Gay.Lame. Oh i don't know why I bother with you TV you are only going to disappoint me in the end. Heres to another season of Medical/Police/Psychic drama show.
Oct. 5, 2007, 11:37 p.m. CST
All the Firefly/Serenity lovers have stolen my thunder. Would love another movie of the 'verse. Serenity Again!!
Oct. 5, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST
Posting an article with TWO amazon links to buy the CE DVD. Go. Buy. I got mine. Worth it just to hear the new commentary.
Oct. 6, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST
This is truly awesome. Better be Joss on board to write and direct. One of the greatest Sci-Fi shows ever on TV. It was the suck when they pulled it but I got my sweet dvd box set to watch anytime I want and Serenity in HD-DVD ;-)
Oct. 6, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST
Firefly was one of the best sci-fi shows in years, hands down, and Serenity fuckin' rocked. If true, this is good news indeed ;)
Oct. 6, 2007, 1:15 a.m. CST
When this show was on,I tried to watch it and couldnt because of FOX. When the movie came out,I avoided it because I thought the Browncoats were obnoxious douchebags(I know you were all just excited but JESUS...EVERY...CORNER...OF THE INTERWEB was spammed to hell when that movie came out). But then a funny thing happened. A friend of mine became a browncoat...and then another friend...and then they teamed up and forced me to watch it. And since then I too have been converted and bought all the DVD's and comics and T-Shirts and drank all the brown kool-aid. And thats just been within the last two years. MOST of the people I know who are Browncoats have become fans after the movie left theatres. The audience for this show just keeps growing and growing and it WILL continue in some form or fashion....theres too much money at stake for it not to.
Oct. 6, 2007, 1:35 a.m. CST
Battlestar is better? The new BSG was inspired by Firefly (anachronistic low-tech in the future, character-driven, fearless violence and sexual situations for a sciffy...). The ship Serenity even appears in the background in a scene in BSG: http://tinyurl.com/kbr9x
Oct. 6, 2007, 1:48 a.m. CST
I think that might just show that they compliment each other, not that they are in direct competition with each other. It's been such a nice talkback (couple of ignored trolls notwithstanding); be a shame to sully it with an "Us vs Them" mentality.
Oct. 6, 2007, 1:59 a.m. CST
or a book, something..give us more of these wonderful characters please
Oct. 6, 2007, 3:06 a.m. CST
I wish they would erase all evidence of the movie, which blew. Start again. This time don't give us the cop-out River stereotypical ass-kicking shit that Whedon seems to do in every show. We already have the ass-kicking quotient filled. Her abilities should have stemmed from her mind, instead. I loved the show and was more than disappointed by the film. Forget it happened and try again. Thanks.
Oct. 6, 2007, 3:10 a.m. CST
Firefly was more Star Wars than Trek, though done with a welcome, spartan western approach. The original Trek was a great show, but the followups all were drivel. I don't need soap operas in space. Firefly had all the pieces for a classic show unlike corn-riddled pieces of shit like BSG and Babylon 5.
Oct. 6, 2007, 3:16 a.m. CST
Forsakyn: You're absolutely right. Serenity had none of the elements that made Firefly great. The series does, I think, demand the big-screen treatment. I think a great movie--a classic--can be made from the source material. But Serenity sucked. Sad, but true. The series was great, though. Anyone who watches it ultimately agrees.
Oct. 6, 2007, 3:23 a.m. CST
Firefly bored the hell out of me, but for some reason I thought the movie was engaging and slightly original - not, of course, the "greatest science fiction film EVAR!!OMGWTFELEVENTY!!!" as most drooling fanatical Browncoats would have us believe -- but certainly better than what I expected from the vaunted Whedon. That said, the film made about $12 dollars in BO, and while I'm sure the DVD is doing well (after all, each Browncoat has 25 copies), I doubt Universal is stupid enough to finance a sequel. However, I may well be wrong.
Oct. 6, 2007, 4:08 a.m. CST
Ah well. It was nice while it lasted and was it cool to read that some people picked up the TV series because of the movie. Someone on the "Old (Firefly) Board" where the cast used to post said Nathan, Captain Tightpants himself, has already shot down the rumour. I figure Joss will finally put the bullet in it's head by the end of the weekend. He's always been pretty fast on the draw to kill these type of things. (PUNS!!) <p> Now back to your regularly scheduled pushing and shoving..
Oct. 6, 2007, 4:51 a.m. CST
i hated every frame of this shit
Oct. 6, 2007, 5:34 a.m. CST
When was the last time Fox did anything right? Apart from give Jim Cameron $200 million of course.
Oct. 6, 2007, 7:40 a.m. CST
Dueling DVD's out at the same time.
Oct. 6, 2007, 8:34 a.m. CST
At least as far as Firefly was good so everything else was bad. What Firefly did that BSG, Trek, Stargate, and B5 didn't was to have a group of character who weren't a part of some large government organization. They weren't the military or the Federation or anything like that. They were just some people going from day to day and doing work. It was a unique perspective in Sci-Fi and I'm shocked no one really tried it before.
Oct. 6, 2007, 8:38 a.m. CST
They weren't around when it was on tv because Fox never gave anyone a chance to see it.
Oct. 6, 2007, 8:39 a.m. CST
I'm assuming they're referring how the first Trek show got cancelled sooner than it should have, but a huge fan base continued to grow until it eventually came back in the form of movies and then continuation series.
Oct. 6, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST
Give Joss $100-150 million and let him make a trilogy, or give him $10 and let it go direct to DVD. I really don't care, just frackin' get around to it already! Shiny?
Oct. 6, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST
Star Trek and Firefly have much in common. The original Star Trek was shit upon by the network and cancelled after 3 seasons. A devoted fanbase kept the franchise strong through years of nothing until the first feature film. The Star Trek machine has now made more money than God,just as Firefly could do if its future is managed and marketed right. THATS what I was trying to say. I was not trying to state that Capt. Picard could make a better mechanic than Kaylee or that River could beat Worf in a holodeck battle against evil holographic Lincoln.
Oct. 6, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST
by future help
im starting to hate Steven Speilberg too. just wanted to say that.
Oct. 6, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST
The only thing that's a stretch is bringing Wash back. I just don't know how to fix that one. I always had an idea that somehow the Operative from the first movie joined the crew at some point as a penance, but he's still a mystery and they still don't trust him (there seemed to be an indication of some kind of truce between him and Mal in the movie) - and he's actually the key to Book's past. Perhaps Operative Book was his Qui-Jon or something. I'd also find a way to bring back Saffron - great character, great foil to the crew, and smoking hot. <p> Although the movie was fantastic, I agree that it was missing the best elements of the show, especially the camaraderie of the crew - everybody seemed so snarky and mean to each other, I didn't get the sense of surrogate family from the show. <p>I'm all for a direct to dvd, as long as they don't pull another Highlander:The Source and drive the franchise into the ground. That was one of the few cases where I could easily see exactly which mistakes were made and how they could have fixed them.
Oct. 6, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST
even stuff fleshing out the backstory would bring in wash and shepherd book again. the entire cast is so fantastic, the universe so interesting, and all the characters so well-realized, that the deaths of wash and shepherd book in the movie hit me like a punch to the stomach. name another series that you can say accomplished that level of emotional depth in only 12 episodes, i ask you...
Oct. 6, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST
Ted Kennedy... The movie revolves around a visit to the planet, Chappaquiddick!!
Oct. 6, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST
by The Llama
...need some serious upgrading. You have to deliberately misread that article to reach the same conclusions Herc did. Too much illiteracy in the world these days. It's frying-pan-in-the-face obvious Tudyk is referring to the possibility of a new entry in the Firefly universe and NOT another edition of Serenity.
Oct. 6, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST
BSG wasn't inspred by STAR WARS or FIREFLY. or even the original BSG. To me, it's almost a direct rip-off of SPACE: ABOVE AND BEYOND (a series from Glen Morgan that ran a few years back).
Oct. 6, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST
............ watched Serenity and wow. Real science fiction that entertains. Picked up the series and watched over three days. This was ended far before it even got moving. I watch a lot of TV, but didn't even notice Firefly when it first came out. Firefly and Serenity seems to be gathering more and more people like me every day. There is a ton of stories that can be told about the Serenity and her crew, and an ever increasing fan base that is itching to spend money of DTV or commit to a new series. With the right marketing, dedicated fans won't be the only ones watching.
Oct. 6, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST
I noticed with the first airing of BSG that the Look and Feel were "in family" with Space: Above and Beyond (btw, didn't Fox hose over that series, too?)<p>But since BSG TOS far preceded SAAB, I don't think you can make a case for SAAB as the inspiration for anything more than look and feel.<p>Didn't TOS precede Star Wars, too? It was long ago, in a land far away, but I seem to remember watching TOS at home as a kid, and SW came out while I was in college. So SW cannot be the inspiration, either....
Oct. 6, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST
Your experience mirrors that of everyone I have ever loaned or given Firefly dvds. <p>On a Friday: "It may be a while before I can get these back to you, is that okay?" <p>On the following Monday: "Done! WOW! Started watching and could not stop!"
Oct. 6, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST
Never saw it before. Although I was hugely into Firefly/Serenity. I have a thought- despite all this mad hate towards Serenity, and the fact that yes, it did effectively end up where Joss was planning to take the series, I think a sequel should be made if not for any other reason but that I LOVE seeing where Joss takes his characters after he's had the opportunity to get them to where he originally wanted them to go. To see the way the tone of Buffy matured from the first season to the last was really satisfying for me. I never would have expected an episode like "The Body" based on anything I saw in the first season. Add to that the way the Cordelia Chase and Wesley Windham Pryce characters changed so much yet were so well earned in their change and honestly, I almost prefer it when Joss Whedon's been able to "make his point" and finds himself still having to take the characters elsewhere. It's like being out of his comfort zone IS his comfort zone. If that makes any sense. The idea of a pre-Serenity/Post-firefly sequel kinda sucks though. Without the suspense of who and what the reavers are you're pretty much just looking at echos. Although the idea of Book's legacy (maybe his progeny) enlisting the help of Mal and crew to get some unanswered questions answered or gain closure seems like a great opportunity to showcase the Ron Glass character in flashback. Although I still maintain that anyone who knows where to look (within the text itself) already has the answers to what Book was all about...
Oct. 6, 2007, 4:20 p.m. CST
...to spew into a TB that is obviously not addressed to FF haters<p>Go back to your teletubbies forums, where we will leave you alone
Oct. 6, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST
Despite how smart they may be with books and computers, nerds hating Firefly is ridiculously retarded. Save your hate for something truly bad, like Dane Cook.
Oct. 6, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST
Are Nerds the new Geeks, or are Geeks the new Nerds, or are Nerds the New Geeks who were the new Nerds.<p>Chuck has me all confused: am I a geek or a nerd?<p>At least I know (from Huey Lewis) that it is Hip to Be Square... <p> one constant in an ever changing sea....
Oct. 6, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST
...so Hip to be Square!
Oct. 6, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST
has me confused about the geek/nerd question.<p>Pushing Daisies' Chuck does not confuse me at all!! She is smokin, scorchin hot.<p>Wonder if SHE prefers geeks or nerds--that could resolve it for me!
Oct. 6, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST
by barnaby jones
It reminded me of all those Star Wars knock offs that came out in the eighties.
Oct. 6, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST
Seriously...Joss Whedon is almost as overrated as Kevin Smith. His shit is formulaic tripe. The Browncoats are in the same loser category as Furries.
Oct. 6, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST
less than 10 against this<p>Do the math.<p>Then explain it slowly and in single syllable words to the 10....
Oct. 6, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST
It makes no sense to me that you would actively cheer for "Firefly" spin-offs and adaptations to fail because "better" and/or more popular TV shows "deserve it" more. And you think it's more or less likely to get a "Dr. Who" movie (or whatever shitty TV show you like) if everything that's not it tanks? Hollywood is all about trends; if anything this news should make you happy. The way some of you morons act, you'd think you were fans of rivalling sports teams.
Oct. 6, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST
This site doesn't represent the real world. If it did, Serenity would have been one of the biggest box office hits of all time. It wasn't. In fact, it squeaked out a meager profit on DVD which isn't anything to brag about because just about ALL movies are now profitable at some point by way of home sales and foreign box office. Serenity was a mediocre film that flopped at the box office. Stop crying over it and move on with your life. Like Shatner would say: Move out of you parents basement...and you there, have you ever kissed a girl?
Oct. 6, 2007, 6:17 p.m. CST
You make me chuckle. You couldn't garner troll support early on because you were overwhelmed by positive messages but as soon as others join the fray (obviously without reading and just obeying some sort of pavlovic "browncoat" missive) you chime back in. There's a word from men like you...
Oct. 6, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST
If you don't like it then don't watch it. I can understand if someone didn't like the film since it was only two hours of your life, but if you hate the television show so much that you have to post it on an internet forum then why on earth did you watch the series in the first place? Surely you had something better to do with your life. Feel free to go back to watching Grey's anatomy or Transformers or whatever the hell else is popular right now. And to anyone who read the comics or any other tie ins did they ever reveal what the hell was up with The Shepard. It's bugging the hell out of me. They insinuate that he wasn't really a Shepard but then the mystery is never solved, and what's worse they kill the bastard off. Did Whedon ever reveal what was going on?
Oct. 6, 2007, 6:28 p.m. CST
That flopped at the box office? <p> I don't think so. Still liked it. Although people keep trying to tell me I shouldn't. Was never a good listener in that way.
Oct. 6, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST
As long as they said it was by Joss Whedon, his fans would proclaim it the best thing ever.
Oct. 6, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST
Dance Monkey-trolls, Dance!<p>So easily pinged and tweaked, these monkeys...
Oct. 6, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST
by Shepard Bauer
thanks! Yes, I agree that bringing wash back is a super stretch. perhaps he could just be the 'space taxi' driver of book in a flashback etc, he could even have that ridiculous moustache he had in the episode 'Out of Gas'... perhaps there could be multiple flashbacks (in the vein of Godfather II, but not as long, obviously) showing book's past with wash in them all 'accidentally', to justify how they didn't 'know' each other until they were both on Serenity... eh, either way, its such a waste having the amazing characters and story potential wasted! Serenity NOW!!
Oct. 6, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST
and the flies were snarky.
Oct. 6, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST
...it has a nice ring to it!
Oct. 6, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST
...that's the smartest, most profound statement that anybody's ever made about anything. Now that you've PWN3D all us dumb "Firefly" fans, maybe you can get to work giving a shit about something that actually affects you instead of worrying so much about what other people like.
Oct. 6, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST
He fucks his mom, and comes in to post, then he fucks his dog, then he comes in to post, then he fucks a sheep, and then comes in to post. Cant you retards go beat your heads on a wall or something? Firefly rocked, and I would prefer the return of the show, to a movie.
Oct. 6, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST
...would not the best thing ever.<p>But better than ANYTHING spewed by hater monkey-trolls.<p>Here's your Steaming Pile, would you like Flies with that?<p>Yes--Snarky Flies, please!
Oct. 6, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST
I don't normally troll, but there are three groups that I DO rail against, because the fans don't just keep in in their pants-- They splooge their fandom everywhere, for everyone to see. They proselytize, they preach, and they get in my face on a regular basis. Basically, I shout back because the fans are already shouting at me in the first place and putting their interests in my space. <p> These three groupds are: <p> Whedonite<p> Manga/Anime Freaks<p> and <p> Fundamentalist Christians<p> I keep my mouth shut about everything else, but Whedonites tend to GET IN YOUR FACE and question WHY you don't like what they like, and they Talk About It Incessantly. They try to convert. They're the type of people who will make an attempt to sit you down in front of a TV and badger you into watching the first season of Buffy, or the entire run of Firefly, in an attempt to get you to join their weird cult. If you say "I don't like Buffy" they instantly come back and question how many episodes you've seen, which season, and what your state of mind was when you watched them. In short, they come off like mentally retarded Jehovah's Witnesses, except that in place of "Jehovah" there's "Joss" and in place of Jesus there's "Buffy". <p> But they'd probably go door-to-door if they could. <p> Same thing applies to anime/manga fans (primarily the ones who ONLY watch/read Japanese stuff and wouldn't consider watching/reading something western) and of course, to Christians. <p> I would also consider throwing "Jugallos" on the list, but frankly there are enough of them, and they're stupid enough not to matter.
Oct. 6, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST
and forcing Monkey-Trolls to come in and read it....
Oct. 6, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST
It's really funny to watch the knee-jerk, circle-the-wagons-to-defend-Joss reaction from all his loyal browncoats. Whedonites make Trekkies look like casual fans. <p>
Oct. 6, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST
by Shepard Bauer
Your logic is flawed, check your premises. 'Shouting back' at the three groups because they get in your face is one thing, but its another when you specifically sought out a thread dedicated to something the people you're shouting at like. We aren't in your face, this discussion didn't take over some thread that you like. Its like you're buying vanilla ice cream just to stand in line and tell people how much the flavor vanilla sucks.
Oct. 6, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST
...the Monkey-Trolls posts! Then they would be the "best things ever".
Oct. 6, 2007, 7:25 p.m. CST
Maybe I'm just not quite big enough of a "Firefly" freak to have walked among the circles of which you speak, but all of this stuff about Browncoats and their evil, proseltyzing ways sounds like an urban legend to me. To me, whose experience is more or less limited to the TalkBacks, the people who hate the show have always seemed more aggressive than the people who like it. And I'm certainly not trying to convince you that anything is good or bad. I'd just appreciate being able to talk about something I personally enjoy watching without getting hassled for it. And if anything, I feel like geeks should be more sympathetic towards that kind of wish, rather than the other way around. Instead they laugh about how much anybody who likes "Firefly" sucks at life, because it was cancelled and the general public doesn't care about it; meanwhile they continue watching their favorite sci-fi shows that the general public doesn't care about either. All the excuses about why fans "need" to be taught a lesson are bullshit anyway -- it basically boils down to another Franchise War, where my show can beat up your show, etc. The Browncoats are just easier marks because they're relatively small in number.
Oct. 6, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST
there's a difference--in theory....
Oct. 6, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST
Referring to an earlier statement. The idiots who hate Firefly (a truly good show) would be better off aiming toward the genuine danger to humanity: Dane Cook. Dane Cook must die. That is all.
Oct. 6, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST
His death is one of the main reasons why Serenity needs to be forgotten (and the complete ruining of River as a character). Joss, forget that movie happened and pick back up on the real series you created. Thanks.
Oct. 6, 2007, 8:51 p.m. CST
Browncoats are not an easier target because they're relatively smaller in numbers. They're an easier target because they make themselves attractive to attack by constantly spouting Whedonverse crap about the glorious greatness and magnificence of their shows when none of it ever vibes in reality. Remember the whole Pre-Serenity release hype about how it was going to be the greatest Sci-Fi movie ever released and would even kick Star Wars butt. I'm not even a Star Wars fan, and I even I can tell that that's just idiotic. So when the movie is released and it bombs, what do you expect from other previously uninterested talkbackers that had to endure all the Whedonesque evangelizing and constantly annoying chest-thumping from Browncoats the weeks before that? You guys make yourself an easy and visible and irresistible target - in other words, you actually ask for it. Despite all the trash-talking, the TV show was canceled even before halfway through its Season and the Movie tanked at the Box Office - and don't even get me started on the perpetual browncoat intrusion on other shows talkbacks (BSG et al) to remind us all of how everything under the sun was inspired by Firefly; so save the crocodile tears for someone who was born after Serenity went from theaters to DVD......or yesterday.
Oct. 6, 2007, 9 p.m. CST
I find it funny, that a Troll, take your pick, is upset that in a SERENITY talkback, Serenity FANS, are talking about SERENITY. OH MY GOD we MUST be stopped, Trolls quick, come in large number, we must go into church, and insult the Christians, we must go to a Star Wars convension and talk about how geeks should keep it to themselves. Listen dickweed, shithead, fuckweed, nimrod, pissant. This is a SERENITY talkback, so fuck you, YOU get out, go talk about Star Wars/Lord of the Rings/Batman/Transformers/PRON/TEH FUNNEY/whatever. Nuff said asshole.
Oct. 6, 2007, 9:01 p.m. CST
Lick my balls?
Oct. 6, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST
Just because there's a handful of chowderheads in every bunch doesn't mean that, in general, "Whedonites" predicted that 'Serenity' was going to mop the floor with Star Wars. And just because you fixated on whoever made that claim doesn't mean that they all "deserve" to take crap from you or anybody else.
Oct. 6, 2007, 9:15 p.m. CST
You guys are RABID anti-whedonites! <p> Pretty soon you'll want us to have our own SCHOOLS!!
Oct. 6, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST
...I've seen several people say the exact same thing about your precious "Battlestar Galactica" (that it's better than Star Wars, than every other TV show ever made, etc.), so don't pretend needing to put people "in their place" for being hyperbolic and geeky about some show you don't even watch is a matter of principle. It's all what you like vs. what you don't like.
Oct. 6, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST
Whedon sucks and Lucas is the master.
Oct. 6, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST
Yup. Every single one. It's a part of the depraved mental disorder that makes them like "Firefly" in the first place. Also they eat babies.
Oct. 6, 2007, 9:51 p.m. CST
Hmmm, not that im agreeing, but Lucas's most recent work, 3 films, sucessful at the B.O, but they REEK of BO. Joss's ONLY film, critically acclaimed, regardless of lackluster sales and voted Greatest Sci Fi movie EVER ahead of Star Wars. Now ORIGINAL TRILOGY, is the shit. NEW TRILOGY of Star Wars IS shit. So, paint your own picture chucklhead.
Oct. 6, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST
Even if you don't particularly like it, it's still a cool serialized show that takes place in space. Isn't that what we want more of??
Oct. 6, 2007, 10:15 p.m. CST
And your posts, show all of us, your a stupid, blind, sheep fucker.
Oct. 6, 2007, 10:18 p.m. CST
that would be SUH-WEET! Monkey-trolls need not apply. <p>But they would probably force their way in, and then irrationalize why it was our fault they were there....
Oct. 6, 2007, 10:20 p.m. CST
I just dont like you. I like shitting on the small minded.
Oct. 6, 2007, 10:36 p.m. CST
Shuttlepod's eyes would roll out of his head. Did it work?
Oct. 6, 2007, 11:18 p.m. CST
I remember from a long time ago two interesting theories:<p>(a) Book used to be an Operative. fairly easy to come up with that, and could work<p>(b) Much More Intriguing (to me anyway) was the theory that Book might have been, under another name, an Alliance General in the Battle of Serenity Valley. It, too, changed his life just like it changed Mal's. Mal lost his faith (remember in the early scenes Mal kissing a crucifix before he went out to take the gun emplacement?), and Book found his faith. Book seeing the name Serenity on the hull was what drew him to join them.<p>What say you?
Oct. 6, 2007, 11:26 p.m. CST
works with Book's knowledge of weaponry, tactics, and the way his id got him special treatment, as well as Jubal's "he's not a Shepherd" comment. I like the symmetry of the Alliance General theory: Serenity Valley deeply affected both Book and Mal, and drew them together via the ship: Mal named it, Book selected it based on the name. The bond between them is clear, but not understood directly by either of them. Only Book knows the mutual linkage of Serenity Valley, but would not jeopardize the bond by revealing it. "Someday you will have to tell me...." "No, I do not have to tell you...."
Oct. 6, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST
and another movie could do the same for Book.<p>Inara's backstory is of interest, too, but probably not an entire film's worth there to tell. Could be dovetailed into a film that gives us the Book Story we need.
Oct. 6, 2007, 11:42 p.m. CST
chromedome, I never thought of your option b, but that's also a great idea and potentially more interesting. Maybe I'm wrong, but option b would work so much better if he was still alive, because you have that potential confrontation with Mal and all that. Unfortunately, I can't see how you can move forward with that idea and create new stories with him dead. However, option A, even though it may be less interesting, does provide an opportunity to move forward. The operatives are a mystery, and his backstory can provide the foundation for another mystery. <p> Also, think about the what the state of the 'verse would be for the sequel. If the 'Signal' had any impact it all, it would have destabilized things even further. The Alliance might have to crack down more and become even more despotic, or there might be even more dissension in the ranks. Would it lead to another civil war? Will the Browncoats regroup? Will there be another battle of Serenity Valley? The possibilities are endless. Also, even though the two 'blue hands' guys did die in the comic, River's statement was 'two by two, hands of blue,' indicating that there were more than just two of them. And we never found out exactly who they were, why their hands were blue, who they were answerable to, etc. Joss has said that the Blue Sun thing was a story he was holding to for the future. So maybe there's something there as well. <p>Finally Ribbons, amen brother. We don't always agree but you usually make sense. I also think that the 'obnoxious Browncoats' thing is an urban legend made up by Whedonhaters. You always hear these trolls like Zerocorpse and Kai justify their assholery by saying 'But the Whedon fans have driven me to it. They're always in my face, blah blah. I have no control over my trolling behavior' - when it's usually the Whedon fans who are nice, polite, and open to dialogue and certainly willing to critique some of the shortcomings of Whedon's stuff, because they have high standards. And it's always the trolls that have weak arguments, are rude and insulting and are the in-the-face getters. Are some Whedon fans obnoxious? Sure, like any fan group, there's going to be some idiots. But the overwhelming evidence is that those types are in the minority, at least here. <p>And, oh yeah. <p>Serenity NOW!
Oct. 6, 2007, 11:45 p.m. CST
as an Operative, you could still do the whole thing with his belief in the Alliance and losing his faith, so to speak. Thus, the journey of the last film's Operative could mirror his. Or, hell, he could even be both. An Alliance general who went on to train Operatives.
Oct. 6, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST
even though I like the Alliance General Theory better, probably given the uncertainty of having any more films forced the early demise of Book, and the Operative Theory is more workable for any new visit to that 'verse.<p>I think I heard or read something by Joss, where he said he had to get 12+ hours of story arc edited down into one film.<p>finally, I cannot take credit for either theory--though the Operative one seems to spring up from several sources simultaneously , so it is more "generic". The Alliance General theory came from someone else in a forum long ago and far away, whose handle I cannot recall.
Oct. 7, 2007, 12:41 a.m. CST
For the record, I respect your opinion as well. I may not agree with it 100% of the time, but whenever I see your name in a TalkBack I always read what you have to say.
Oct. 7, 2007, 1:01 a.m. CST
Yeah, he said "there’s now a chance there’s going to be another movie” to refer to the re-release of a DVD. Because releasing a "special edition" dvd is so chancy, right? The fuck did you get a job at this site?
Oct. 7, 2007, 1:32 a.m. CST
Studios might greenlight a sequel if the original came close to breaking even..or made more on dvd. <p> Quite a few pictures don't become profitable until they show up in Blockbuster. Then there's stuff like 'Office Space' which did $2million at the box office but over $100million in Dvd sales/rentals. The Digital Versatile Disc saved Hollywood...or so they say. <p> This analysis brought to you by the Department of the Facile.
Oct. 7, 2007, 2:50 a.m. CST
That's what I'm hearing from the development kids at Universal.
Oct. 7, 2007, 3:18 a.m. CST
He's usually good about addressing rumors. I just hope he pop sup on Whedonesque to either say, "it ain't happening" or "yeah, there's talk" so we can stop wondering. I know "talk" doesn't mean it'll happen, but its nice to hear the studio's considering it. <br><br>p.s. HOW can they NOT?!? The franchise fanbase has grown exponentially since the first film. The DVD is a hit, and as a result the TV series DVD set has sold like crazy. New fans galore!
Oct. 7, 2007, 3:23 a.m. CST
by blonde redhead
hate to break it to the browncoats.
Oct. 7, 2007, 3:40 a.m. CST
for Sneaky!Herc's mechanisms. I personally love them. Do you actually think Herc is illiterate or can't process sentences? <p> I'll give you my "take" on it. (Please make note that this is MY take on what Herc has done and I could be pretty much talking out of my ass.) <p> When the CE DVD of Serentity came out, Harry was on his honeymoon and was taking a hiatus from his weekly DVD reviews. Herc, by the grace of rumour and multiple emails, was able to post an article with not one, but TWO links to purchase the DVDs. He purposely fucks up the interaptation of said article so people will post on the talkback telling him so, ergo raising the number of posts on the talkback and giving more advertising to the links he posted. <p> Herc knows the score. He is like the Micheal Scott of Coaxial.w
Oct. 7, 2007, 3:43 a.m. CST
Re: The PAIN!! <p> See?! You're funny! I know we could totally get along and stop fighting if we didn't have this damn Serenity between us.
Oct. 7, 2007, 3:51 a.m. CST
Good news if true. But they are saying at the convention with some of the actors that is happening in London at this moment that they haven't heard anything about a sequel. It's almost like the longer we don't hear from Joss on the subject, the better the news could be.È
Oct. 7, 2007, 5:06 a.m. CST
Remember when AICN had to restrick registration because of all those fucktarded dipshits? They are an exteremely vocal minority that think if they scream loud enough people will give a shit about there mundane fixation. Joss Whedon is a hack writer. Everything he churns out can but surmized as this: "Sexy athelitic chick can kick your ass and her cast of characters which make up her friends will carry the burrden of the skimpy trite plot that we have ripped of other people". He is a fucking hack and people like Hercules who worship him have no point working for any website that claims to report actual news. What a fucking joke.
Oct. 7, 2007, 5:24 a.m. CST
In the new CE DVD commentary, Joss says he had written a script of a 190 pages and had to edit down to 120. If you consider that a page equals a minute to a minute and a half of film, he had to condense a lot of dialogue and development. He also makes a point that Book's character was considerably affected - River's as well.+
Oct. 7, 2007, 5:30 a.m. CST
Pervo came on a talkback and tried to rile people up? That was awesome.e
Oct. 7, 2007, 5:34 a.m. CST
But you got hooked on a show because of the physical attraction of the main character and you wanted to wrestler her. It doesn't make Buffy a good show. That crap catered to the people who played Vampire the Gathering. Losers....Joss Whedon fanatics always remind me of the losers that played Vampire The Gathering. Their grap upon reality is extremely loose.
Oct. 7, 2007, 6:05 a.m. CST
by Boondock Devil
Way to point out how a fanbase is obnoxious by being an obnoxious ass yourself. Well played, sir.
Oct. 7, 2007, 7:15 a.m. CST
Did you just make fun of my sig? That was the best you could do? Tease me about my name?? I colored outside of the lines once, how about you tease me about that too? Put glue in my hair? <p> PS: Thanks for bumping up the talkback.
Oct. 7, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST
I too had never thought about that before. It kind of pissed me off that they killed him off in the movie. I don't think Book's story was done being told. Wash's death on the other hand, was executed perfectly. They kill him off on a joke making it completely unexpected and right before the climax so that the audience believes any character can go. That's some fine craftsmanship right there. Anyways, more Shepard Book!
Oct. 7, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST
by barnaby jones
Firefly was on Sci-fi here in the U.K, anyone who's seen Sci-Fi knows they'll show any old dross. As far as i know it was never on terrestrial.
Oct. 7, 2007, 9:51 a.m. CST
by barnaby jones
Does anyone know when The Sarah Conner Chronicals is being aired on Virgin 1 ??
Oct. 7, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST
I didn't appreciate Firefly until I saw all of the episodes IN ORDER on SCIFI about a year ago. I bought the series after that and loved it. Serenity was pretty good too. Didn't like some of the characters getting killed though. Fox needs to learn how to market their shit better. Serenity and Firefly didn't get any ads where I live and by the Family Guy commercials they had, I thought the whole show was just about a normal family with an evil baby. I had to watch reruns on Cartoon Network to know what it really was.
Oct. 7, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST
Now what does that make us? <p> Big damn heroes, sir. <p> Ain't we just.
Oct. 7, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST
I'll be in my bunk...
Oct. 7, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST
Oct. 7, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST
( O )( O )
Oct. 7, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST
It was like: A-team = Mr.T, then Tracy Morgan = Mad TV later on, then Serenity = whatever. You should build rocket ships!
Oct. 7, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST
can anyone explain why universal pulled Serenity from movie theatres. It was there and it was gone. Serenity fans went to see it. They demanded it. I eventually saw that movie on Dvd and it reminded me of another sci-fi movie series. You know set in outer space, crew go round in a rickety space shape, story has a moral about good and evil. spirituality is threaded through the screen play. everyone lives in huts. cant think what it might be. shock...horror, you dont say joss lifted large amounts of star wars to tell serenity. Well I never. the scenes with summer glau, she was hot and kicked ass. Wheedon could do a back story. but he should bear in mind that lucas did that and everyone hated the prequels. Tudyk is a great actor. He out performed Will smith I Robot.
Oct. 7, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST
I've read a few posts that say Whedon ripped off Star Wars. Certainly Whedon was influenced by Star Wars, as are most sci-fi films and modern mythologies, but a few similarities does not a rip off make. The science fiction setting crossed with a western is similar to how Lucas used sci-fi visuals crossed with timeless mythological signifiers. Of course, Star Trek was described as Wagon Train to the stars and if you claim Firefly ripped off Lucas then so did Cowboy Bebop and Trigun. I think that Mal owes something to Han Solo as well. Other than that the dialogue and characters are unique to Whedon. After all, even George Lucas "ripped off" Joseph Campbell and Akira Kurosawa. Nothing is created in a vacuum and as such nothing is one-hundred percent original. So long as you have a unique execution and your own style, then I say everything is fair game.
Oct. 7, 2007, 12:50 p.m. CST
Wow--he had to cut the script even further. I was recalling comments from around the time of Serenity where, if I remember correctly (a big if), he was saying he was trying to condense 3 films' worth of story down to one script.<p>I also think I heard that he originator of a TB gets paid by the number of posts. If we can keep the Monkey-Trolls dancing for us, Herc will LOVE to give us more TBs, eh?
Oct. 7, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST
This one's for you, Herc!
Oct. 7, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST
What I loved about the original star wars was the fly-by-the-seat-of-his-pants style of action that Han Solo just embodied. You knew he was just winging it, and it worked because he was just that good. The Millenium Falcon was used, and broken and had character in every crack. Serenity and Firefly definitely had those qualities squarely in mind and George Lucas dropped them by the wayside when he made the new Star Wars.
Oct. 7, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST
somebody go roust him out
Oct. 7, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST
...didn't hit all cylinders for me. It worked SO well as a series that I would rather that 'the powers that be' put another series together, and tighten up some of the scripts with only a little less cheeze for humor, IMHO. <p>The concept was flawless, though IMO. You have a mercenary cowboy/smuggler and his posse, a high-class whore, and a person that remians a mystery but still seems to fit in, and it's in space. With lasers and space battles and what-not. <p>How could they go wrong? <p>Hey, they brought Family Guy back after DVD sales rocketed. So there's hope, right?
June 6, 2008, 7:30 a.m. CST
i think that is the hope of the browncoats, rak. Build enough word of mouth, keep recruiting fans day by day by month by year until the show gets brought back or at least some straight to dvd films get made