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UPDATED!! ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK Remake Director Swap!! Who Could Be Worse Than Wiseman?? Oh...Wait...

- OCOTBER 5, 2007 8:09AM CST USA -
Merrick again...
The folks over at IESB say they've CONFIRMED OUR INITIAL REPORT; their sources indicate that Ratner is, indeed, in place to direct this project. The IESB article can be found HERE! Weep for the Snake. Weep for us all.

Merrick here...
We have a source named Checkyr. Checkyr is in frequent contact with AICN, regaling us with stories of behind-the-scenes intricacies and machinations which lead to the product we see on screen. One such contribution can be found HERE. HOWEVER, Checkyr is unusual as far as sources go. To date, we've yet to verify...or refute...anything he's told us. Which means, despite his numerous messages, he's still (technically) an untested source. So, I thought we'd post the see what happens. We've never been contacted by anyone telling us Checkyr is full of shit. Will this message break that trend? Or, will Checkyr at last be validated as a trustworthy (and important) purveyor of information? Ohhhh the suspense! We'll post an update...confirming or debunking the following more information is gleaned. So, take out a spoon, scoop up a rounded portion of salt, and consider the following:
I thought I'd still take a moment to fill you in on the latest news on a project near and dear to many loyal readers... Got word this week that Len Wiseman is officially off Escape From New York. And who have the brilliant studio suits set their sights on? None other than the much maligned Brett Ratner. So yeah, kinda goes from bad to worse. Chris Tucker and Jackie's Chan's involvement as Snake & Pliskin is still pendng...
YEOUCH. Regular readers may recall that, while I often lament remakes of nearly any kind, I actually liked the script for the ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK remake quite a bit (HERE'S THAT ARTICLE). In my review of the script, I said I felt it was critically important the project find a solid, gritty director who understood the subtleties of social satire, edgy film making, and raw brutality (the script is intensely visceral). I evoked a Verhoeven. Talkbackers suggested Tarantino. Ratner...doesn't have the "oomph" required to make this right. For my money, neither did Len Wiseman...but at least his films look reasonably decent. Not sure I could say that for Ratner; his direction feels "point&shoot" and his films "look" as simplified as possible. It should be noted that Ratner was recently attached to a FRANK SINATRA PROJECT; it's unclear if a Ratnerfied EFNY would roll before Frank, or if said project should be taken as automatic dismissal of his involvement with EFNY. Again, if we get any news in regarding this..."yeahs" or "nays"...we'll drop in an update.

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  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST


    by MetiphisLabs

    My penis is large!

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST


    by ultragoregrind

    sorry - zero interest in a EFNY remake - good script or not. this will either be bad - or really bad.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST


    by BanAllFIRSTPosters


  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Die remakes Die!

    by Randall Flagg

    Ya know... they could just re-release the original in to theaters and I bet 80-90% of theater goers wouldn't know the difference. "Wow, Kurt Russell's plastic surgeon must be in league with Satan!" Would save the studio a whole lot of time and money too.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST


    by MetiphisLabs

    Goddamn the remakes.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST

    He can imitate another person's style just fine.

    by NinjaRap

    See: Red Dragon. As such, I have no problem with this. Let him copy John Carpenter's style, and I'll be a happy camper.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Hell F'N YEAH!!

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    Ratner KICKS ASS!!! No sarcasm necessary!

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Wiseman vs Ratner

    by Midnightxpress

    it's like comparing Dan Brown with Kelly Armstrong....both are bland, mainstream goons who don't have 1/10th of the talent the people they ape did...

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST

    It's official . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . Hollywood has a new focus other than money. They are actually striving to piss off fanboys. They want #1 at the box office and as many angry fans of the original as possible. Two birds, one stone.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:40 a.m. CST


    by PotSmokinAlien

    that piece of trash should be enough for this jackass to never be let near an action movie again. and i don't even give a flying shit about the xmen.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST

    What difference does it make?

    by Boba Fat

    It's a very small and unique list of directors that could get me excited about this film and there's no chance of any of them doing it.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Relax, people...Ratner will be fine

    by SpyGuy

    Time to cash in the reality check...John Carpenter is a director who made cheesy flicks interesting and fun to watch, that's all. He's no Spielberg, no Scorcese, or even no David Lynch. <p>And as such, his films are definitely remakable, even by a mediocre mimic like Ratner. As long as the director is halfway competent, which Ratner has proven is his target potential, any remakes should be just fine. If the director isn't halfway competent, however, you get things like the new HALLOWEEN.</p>

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Hardly call Halloween a cheesy flick

    by DannyOcean01


  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Why don't they get Wiseman AND Ratner

    by kwisatzhaderach

    to each shoot a remake of EFNY and see who can make the worst version? They're both shocking directors.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST

    RE: Die Reamkes Die!!!

    by ZoeFan

    I totally agree. I really don't understand even when films do get rereleased, why they don't get a bigger release. Who wouldn't want to see Blade Runner, Shawshank, the Godfather or Escape from New York? Especially if they didn't get a chance to see it when it was in the theater.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST

    I hope it's PG-13!

    by Reload

    I mean, if Wiseman were to direct it, we could get a bunch of 'darns' and 'shoots', along with plenty of bad lipsynching. But then again, Ratner evokes that line from Shakespeare. 'Full of Sound and Fury, Signifying Nothing'. Ratner's movies are too pop. They're pretty to look at, but are absolute crap films. What a waste of a franchise.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST


    by Spango

    Why remake this movie? What a waste of money...

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Leave Ratner Alone! You want EFNY or the Godfather???

    by mtoppi1975

    ...look, the guy makes decently entertaining popcorn fare and he comes in under or on-budget when he makes his films. Studios like directors like Ratner, Merrick, because he's profitable - and nobody has proved them otherwise yet. And, for what its worth, Nothing he's made has been so god-awful terrible that he doesn't deserve to remake Escape From New York... We're not handing him the reigns to "high art." EFNY is guns, explosions, and angry dudes in leather. Brett Ratner is perfect for the job!

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    may very well have been a journeyman director but he was an INSPIRED journeyman director that brought his own distinct GOOD viusal style to the projects he did. There's no way Ratner or Wiseman can be put in the same class as Carpenter. Assault on Precint 13, Halloween, The Fog, Escape From New York, The Thing are all amazing genre filcks. Hell, I even like Starman, Big Trouble in Little China, Prince of Darkness, They Live and In The Mouth of Madness. Carpenter was given a few bucks and knew how to use them to maximum effect. Ratner and Wiseman are given mega-money and don't have the creativity or imagination to do anything with the money. Sad.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Bad to worse, how true

    by Faust_8


  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST

    I was hoping for Paul Anderson.

    by Some Dude

    That would have been a great choice. Plus it would have made so many fanboys cry.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Has to be a wind up

    by Madines Sideshed

    If there's one name that would make the fanboys howl it is Ratner. No way is this real. Wish the full remake idea wasn't either. Where's all the new ideas?

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST


    by gride9000

    I will watch it just for that. I think a retard could get the trashy gritty style right. Who could beat the campy acting with Chef vs. Stuntman Mike Bliskin.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Consigned to the shitter...

    by KillaKane

    At least Wiseman had a semblance of visual flair and his OTT approach to action would have made for some decent stunt set-ups in in this rehash. Ratner is just another rung down the ladder. 'They' need to make a bolder choice than that.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:03 a.m. CST

    STOP remaking classics damnit!

    by Sulla

    Has all originality been drained from the world? Can no one come up with an original idea anymore. Fucking assholes, juts go ahead and ruin everything for a quick buck. You should all be shot.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST


    by gride9000

    That dude's a straight up "G".

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Just get Carpenter to do a new one

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Kurt Russell showed in Death Proof that he could still do Snake no problem. Note for Carpenter: make it better than Escape From LA.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST


    by ZoeFan

    I agree...again. Yes, the guy makes the ULTIMATE in popcorn. But guess what, he makes LOADS of cash for the studios. And that's exactly what the studios are looking for.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST


    by gride9000

    and Henry Rollins as "The Duke". Make it a rap/rock musical.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:10 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Presumably you haven't seen X3 or the Rush Hour films...

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Please somebody...

    by montimer

    kill Brett Ratner. Do it now!!!

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    True, it's down to the ignorance of youth, all those 'suits' barely in their 30s with no clue about the movies. When we are all dead and buried people will wonder what the fuck was going on in Hollywood from the year 2000 onwards...

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST


    by ironic_name

    mcg, rat-jew and bay are still working. <P> time for north korea to "liberate" america.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST


    by gride9000

    excruciatingly great casting on my part. I heard he does his own stunts.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    SAMULE L JACKSON as The Duke of New York

    by kwisatzhaderach

    You know it's true.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST

    MALCOLM MCDOWELL as The President

    by kwisatzhaderach

    "You are The Duke!!!!! You are A Number 1!!!!!!!!"

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST

    I can't believe this

    by Bloo

    no, I REFUSE to believe this. I'm going to pull and Alec Baldwin here and say that if the studios make EFNY with Ratner, I'm moving to Canada or India or somewhere<P>wait...noone cares, they only care about the money<P>well shit, we're in trouble because people will see this and I'll be sad

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    I worked on the original "EFNY..."

    by Uncapie

    ...and it was one of my favorite experiences working on a film! I rememember every detail like it was yesterday. Great times and it was shot on $7 million dollars! Ratner is the wrong director for this film.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Who was Lowmoan Spectacular? He's one of the matte painters or SFX artists listed in the end credits. His name has always cracked me up.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    oh yeah? well I'm kurt russel

    by ironic_name

    I laugh.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Sounds familiar...haven't read the Foundation books since my school days though. Spot on though, exactly what is happening. Perhaps if the BO for Avatar is stellar the suits will realise it's sometimes worth backing a new idea?

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:33 a.m. CST

    First posters...............


    Are closet homosexuals, seriously!

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST

    No pressure Jimbo

    by kwisatzhaderach

    If anyone can pull it off, it's Cameron. In the meantime there's the new Jones and Batman flicks, which should be good, but still old ideas. Where is the next great franchise (hate that word) going to come from?

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST

    So that means Kate Beckinsale will not be Snake

    by kabong

    But Hollyweird is not nearly finished messin' wit' ya yet.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST


    by The Chosen

    I remember seeing the making of "Red Dragon" and noticing the lack of creativety and just plain "let's get it done anyway we can" spirit of the director. Bad choice.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST

    At least they didn't hire...

    by tme2nsb

    Paul WS Anderson or Uwe Boll, but yeah, this is going to be painful.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Blah blah blah

    by DigitalDong

    according to this site there should only be 5 people directing...EVERYTHING!! And I find it funny how Cameron is brought up all the time. btw X3 was awesome, Ratner did it just like Singer would've. In other words he's a tool, "godly" directors end up getting all the control they want and turn out shit *cough* Sups Returns *cough*

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST


    by mtoppi1975

    Yes, I have seen X3 and the Rush Hour films. They held my attention for a while and I was entertained. I'm not expecting much from a movie starring Jackie Chan and a Chris Rock rip-off, nor was I ever expecting much from an X-Men comic book film Adaptation. (We got lucky with Singer's films... He spoiled us and I think our expectations were too high. X-Men films shouldn't have been much better than these Fantastic Four movies have been.) But I digress. There are some genuinely horrible filmmakers in this generation of cinema - I'm sure you can agree with me on that - I just don't think that Brett Ratner deserves as much of the ire as he has received. I wish him luck and can't wait to see his vision of Escape From New York starring that guy from 300. :-)

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:43 a.m. CST


    by Sinisterjim

    I can think of plenty Directors-for-hire that would be FAR FUCKING BETTER than either of those 2...the problem is, the really talented and cool ones won't touch a remake, especially of a Carpenter classic! So, we're left with the film whores! One hopes New Line wises up and shit cans Wiseman, doesn't even THINK about RATner and get's someone with a little more edge...gasp! Maybe an unknown who shows a lot of promise? GASP GASP!!!!

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Cameron is brought up all the time for a reason. He made great films. Unlike X3 which was a pile of tat. Although admittedly better than Superman Returns.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by mtoppi1975

    "Ratner's coke Tab runs higher than $7m"... You owe me a new keyboard! lol...

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Hang on...

    by The Duke Of Madness

    gride9000...I am not Henry Rollins. "Hi, I'm Henry Rollins, I've put out my 12th rock album and my 37th spoken word cd this week alone. I am a once interesting, now destroyed icon of rage that got punked out by David Fucking Duchovny. I mean, Mr. Tea "Five seconds of Hotness on Naked Truth where in actuality Holland Taylor was hotter than me" Leoni outdid Henry "Black Flag Rage" Rollins. Oh, and Bret Ratner couldn't do a worse job than Singer did on Superman Gets His Balls Cut Off. Could he?

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    ratner got blown by a tranny

    by ironic_name

    so the movie could wind up being great.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Knew it! The minute I saw that heading.

    by Yeti

    Ratner is like a Hollywood cockroach hard to kill and just when you think thats that out he comes crawling out of the woodwork.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST


    by mtoppi1975

    Amen on that, brother. Paul W.S. Anderson and Uwe Boll... who are they blowing that they still get to make movies? The only thing I can figure is that they'vegotten lucky making genre films that already have a built in fan base who couldn't care less about quality product.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Good choice. His new project is very much like EFNY.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    hoe 'bout penny marshall

    by ironic_name

    she was laverne, wasn't she?

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    HOW 'bout penny marshall

    by ironic_name

    hehehehe, "hoe."

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Better Ratner than ...

    by thepentaveret

    Renny Harlin, McG, or Joel Schumacher. But not much better.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    rush hour was passable

    by ironic_name

    rh 2 wasn't. rat-face seems to be getting worse.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    I guess you dont like the Halloween remake Jarv?

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I'll never even watch it, as soon as I saw that trailer I knew I never had to see that 'film' in my life. Marshall is a terrific director, The Descent was an awesome flick, a prime example of what can be done with a little money and a lot of imagination.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    ...just one more point:

    by mtoppi1975

    ... as much as we would all love for some fantastic visionary filmmaker to come out of the wood works to bring his brilliance to one of our dream projects, that's just not the way Hollywood thinks. Hell, look at how easily New Line would have tossed the Hobbit into the lap of another director other than Peter Jackson! Every once in a while, one of our dreams come true: Lexi Alexander is inspiring as the director of the new Punisher film, Sam Raimi made a brilliant pair of Spider Man films (and a lackluster third, but whatever), and someone from Universal had the bals to give Geroge Romero some money to follow up Day of the Dead after all those years. But for everything that we dream for, we get disappointed, too. I say give Ratner a chance. I can't imagine that he would be so far off the mark as to make people walk out of a movie theater. There's brilliance there - between the (coke) lines and when he's not sniffing up Paris Hilton's ass trying as hard as he can to get some of that no-personality having pussy, there's brilliance...

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    Could be worse, could be Paul W S Anderson!

    by HarryBlackPotter

    Or Uwe Boll, or McG, or Joel Shitmacher...goddamn, never realised before how many shit directors there are!

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    Quick Trivia Question:

    by Aquatarkusman

    In which year was the original Escape from New York set? 1997! So I'll bet Ratner will use the same year and call it a historicamagraphical recreationing. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THIS COMMENT?

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    That's bollocks

    by RobFromBackEast

    Don't believe it for a second. And quit with the Wiseman bashing - it's fuckin old man

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Are you Kate Beckinsale?

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Its 9am

    by Turd Furgeson

    and I am going to start drinking heavily after reading this... I am speachless....

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Hollywood's Mission Statement

    by Turd Furgeson

    Why strive for excellence when you can settle for mediocrity??

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Oh my Buddha!

    by The Duke Of Madness

    I read this, went into a coma and woke up weeping for Sam Fuller. God I miss that man's talent.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Turd Furgeson

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Excellent, spot on!

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    even eli roth

    by palewook

    would be a better choice.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Wow...could this get worse??

    by TedSallis

    It's worse! Mebbe we'll get Duke rapping now (Rappin Duke?? Ha Ha Ha) Ohh man...

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Hi. Kwiz....

    by Uncapie

    Wow, Even I don't know that one. Although, the matte paintings were actually done by this nice woman who later died of cancer. I worked with the Skotek brothers(Incredibly talented.) creating the city of New York in the Black Hole(A sound stage down at Corman's lumber yard studio.) out of pasted xeroxes on wood and shoe boxes to create the buildings. The Gulfstream cockpit was created with black duabtine hung over a plastic shell that was part of a helicopter windshield, two lights covered with gels and a joystick that I found out in Keltonville(A junkyard we had on the lot named after a carpenter, Roger Kelton who busted his ass off and organized the place.) We also shot a lot of second unit close ups on Station 19. Kurt was very cool on the set, as was Dean Cundy and Carpenter. I remember Cundy walked in with this Macy's bag and produced the .357 that Snake uses. I asked him when Macy's started selling those and if I could get one. He called me a punk. I called him "Dirty Dean." It was one big family. Dean asked me if there were any good movies to watch. I said, "Check out 'Scanners.' Its pretty good(It had just come out and they knew I was a film geek.)." Kurt said, "In thirty seconds, you'll turn into John Carpenter(A version of the tag line for the film.)" and started shaking. Everyone laughed. Later, after everything was shot, Carpenter treated us to dinner at Buffallo Chips(A burger place that doesn't exist anymore.). Just a bunch of guys hanging out after work. My pacheck was $160.00 a week(Before taxes.). Long hours and hard work, but I do it all again. It was the best of times and sadly, there isn't anything that will be like it again. Studios have become too corporate and have sucked the soul out of the creative culture that makes films like this endearing like a vampire. When I applied for a job on the sequel( I knew Debra Hill very well who gave me an oustanding reference.) I didn't get hired because I was too old by some pencil pushing prick that didn't know an F stop from a bus stop. taht fact that I could have run circles around those idiots because I had a ton of experience didn't matter and neither did loyalty. I had a feeling that the sequel would suck with those kind of people surrounding Carpenter and Debra and I was right. The creative, family atmosphere was gone and it was just about money and profit from the studio bigwigs. Sadly, that's what will happen to the remake.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Zack Snyder or Pete Berg

    by McGsStepson

    Over the top action style and grittiness indicative of each of these directors could actually be right for this project.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Ratner- Grade C director

    by Darth Sicilian

    If you look at Brett Ratner's resume you don't see one film that that shows greatness or creativity. What you see are bland “increase corporate bottom line” products. If you want an incredibly average film (that will probably turn a small profit but will get a lukewarm reception) pick Ratner. This project seems right up Robert Rodriguez's alley. I wonder if he passed on it.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    does it even matter anymore?

    by MC-909

    Not to be so glib, but bitching about remakes is getting us nowhere. Hollywood will do whatever it wants. They thrive on the bottom dollar more than ever so why even fight it? <p> I say from here on out, us geeks should not associate any remake with the original material. We should hold originals (like EFNY) close and simply disregard any remakes. In other words, remakes don't count as real movies and therefore aren't worth the time and effort put into bitching about them. <p> Oh, and fuck Brett Ratner, the pudgy motherfucker.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    direct this thing. What a joke these fucking remakes are.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    I was hoping you'd say the remake itself was a RUMOR

    by ye olde shiza

    Damn it all to Hell.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:17 p.m. CST

    You know you're getting old when...

    by googamooga

    The endless remakes do not interest you in the least. Now I know how my Dad felt when he didn't want to see the 1981 version of The Thing (even though it WAS better than the original, lol...)

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST



    Directs this flick, I wont see it in the theaters, and I'll burn a copy of the dvd. I wont put a fucking NICKLE in that no talent piece of shits pockets, or the studios that insist on hiring him.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    I'm turning the gas on now...

    by Kirbymanly

    WHAT THE FUCK?! Who the fuck was sitting behind a large desk saying, "You know who could do this...? Brett Ratner."

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    I looked over at Kurt Russell.....AND HE AIN`T LAUGHING

    by Elgyn6655321

    So this is NOT okay. I hate Ratner. I would seriously rather have Paul Anderson. Seriously.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    i'd personally rate ratner

    by misnomer

    i'd personally rate ratner over wiseman. at least ratner can imitate and the whole movie wont be fucking blue filtered. still...they need someone ALOT better to do this. (even though it just shouldnt be getting made)

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST


    by Vamp-AICNchat

    ...if you could do a better job than Ratner why don't you go for it? Another thing, have you seen DIE HARD 4? I think Wiseman done a great job on it.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Note to self:

    by Wrecks

    Turn on oven, insert head.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST


    by jasper Stillwell

    Might as well give it to that other fool, Zack Snyder...if it were me Danny Boyle would be the man for the job.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Brett Ratner?

    by redfang

    I heard you were dead!

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST


    by tme2nsb

    I beat you to the first two, but you're right, a lot of bad directors, and that's not including the so called "big name" directors either. They should just make: Escape from Paris (Hilton) instead of "remaking" or "reimagining" movies...this is worse than Michael fucking Bay "REMAKING" F13..

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Brett Ratner is the Orson Welles of our time

    by Amadeo Zeller

    Stop your blind irrational hatred. It's tiresome.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Armadeo Zeller

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Yup, Money Talks was sure of equivalent quality to Citizen Kane.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Escape to Playboy Mansion

    by Maui

    No further comment.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    I'm assuming so, but you never can tell with some of the guys on here...

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Checkyr is full of shit

    by ATARI

    there -- I said it

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Wiseman is the next Micheal Bay

    by Agent Blue

    His movies are slick, stylish, action packed, and he can't handle characters for dick. Give him Gears of War and let it be the next Transformers, because the next Transformers is going to be the next Pluto Nash.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 2 p.m. CST

    At least it's not Rob Zombie.

    by oceanic86

    But yeah, X3 was embarassingly, infuriatingly bland and mediocre. I really hate Ratner.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST

    John Carpenter

    by antonphd

    The worst thing about this... is that John Carpenter has been given the chance to remake his own films and his remakes sucked so bad that nobody is even thinking of letting him remake Escape From New York.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Escape From New York

    by antonphd

    To bad this movie is going to just be remade into a splashy action movie. I watched it the other week and considering current politics in the US it could be remade as an action movie and political satire and it would actually be relevant. Oh well.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Snake Plissken gets a blowjob from a transvestite and

    by godoffireinhell

    oh whatever

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    God, that's a scary headline.

    by Harry Weinstein

    I was expecting Paul What Shite Anderson, or the Antichrist himself, Michael Bay. Brett Ratner actually is a teeny, tiny improvement. Not good, mind you, but not the director of LIVE FREE OR SUCK HARD either.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    IESB "confirmed" this on their site.

    by Kal El Vis

    Take that for what it's worth.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    "Brett Ratner actually is a teeny, tiny improvement"

    by Agent Blue

    Over having my ass hair seared of with Ratner's curling iron.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    I'd rather have Ratner than Wiseman.

    by TheNorthlander

    That's how much I didn't like that last Bruce Willis movie.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST


    by TheNorthlander

    A lot of people like Underworld and Die Hard 4. I'm not one of them, but I know a few and they're actually decent people. But hey, a lot of people like PotC and Harry Potter too.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Sounds like...

    by Boromir187

    ...bullshit to me.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Shitty news indeed.

    by a goonie

    But then again, it's a fucking Escape from New York remake. Even if the script is good, I'd rather see another sequel or another movie that steals inspiration from it or something, rather than a remake. Nobody does Carpenter like Carpenter and remaking his movies seems a little pointless to me. But I'm a huge Carpenter fan, so you know... big surprise. But that said, if an Escape from New York remake has to happen, then I'd like to see something interesting, something to warrant a new take. Ratner is certainly not that. I'm not an all-out Ratner-hater. In fact, I've enjoyed a good amount of his movies. It's just that the guy is stunningly unoriginal and brings little more to a project than a generic visual style and an ability to churn out a product that puts smiles on studio execs' faces. Oh, and he made a crap X-Men film that shit all over the Dark Phoenix storyline and wasted newcomers Beast and Angel. Fuck, that movie pisses me off. So yeah, while I don't hate Ratner, hearing his name attached to a project gives me no excitement or hope. And while Wiseman is yet to make a truly ass-kicking picture, the guy did show some promise with Die Hard 4, so I would have been happier with him at the helm.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Does anyone know what Ratner gets per film?

    by I am_NOTREAL

    I can only assume it must not be that much, as I've yet to see one frame of a Ratner movie that explained to me why this guy keeps getting work. It's got to be related to the bottom line.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 4 p.m. CST

    Instead Of Remaking EVERY John Carpenter Movie....

    by thelordofhell

    Why don't these Hollywood dipshits just give John a bunch of money and make a NEW classic? But noooooo, instead we get this blowjob of a remake that follows the other remake abortions that came before. Dear God, stop this shit before we get "Big Trouble In Little China" the musical.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST


    by marcomc2


  • Oct. 4, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Who cares if the source is real...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    We just want a reason to complain and a talkback to do it in, and we are happy...

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Jesus, Isn't there any original ideas left??!

    by CloneRangerUK

    Just a thought Hollywood! I would rather see a chance taken on an so-far-unfilmed script, than remake something already classic that millions of people have already seen & a modern day remake has no chance in hell of surpassing! What is the f'ing point! Or is it just me?

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Never mind Escape from Earth, as a title what about....

    by CloneRangerUK

    Escape from the U.S.A.? Makes more sense to me after N.Y. & L.A........

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Hey, you assholes bashing Brett Ratner

    by AlwaysThere

    You're broken record act is really making a difference. He continues to get work and people still see his movies, whether it be box office receipts or DVD sales. I think all of you idiots would be better off singing the praises of an up and coming director/no name director that deserves his spot in the spotlight. If you aren't going to do something worthwhile like that, then shut the fuck up. Never post in a talkback about him, don't watch any of his movies because that will really affect him, and stop thinking about him. You're lives, if you have one will be much better because of that.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Big Trouble In Little China (the Musical)

    by Maui

    That...I'll pay to see.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST


    by kafka07

    I yelled that in my best Darth Vader impression.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Ratner's Red Dragon sucked

    by kafka07

    It was a soulless turd. The book is marvelous however. And the loosely based 80's tv movie, Manhunter, rules supreme over Ratner's turdfest.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST


    by tme2nsb

    Can someone PLEASE explain to me the purpose of remakes? They're always shittier (The Thing was NOT a a remake, it had the same source material based on the novella "Who Goes There?", and if you call it a remake of "The Thing from Another World" I'm gonna have to kill you, because you are wrong) Has Hollyweird ran out of original ideas?

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Holy god.

    by Jack Burton

    That is just wrong. I wonder when Ratner sold his soul to the devil because there is no way his "talent" has gotten him here.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Arguments, not grammar.

    by ironic_name

    clearly. <P> [that bite me in the ass later ONE!]

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST


    by Lornsorrow

    Screw this remake, above all others, screw this. No respect for a classic, for the actors involved, for the sequel that could be done and everyone wants, etc. Just wait, the next thing ya know, Snake will turn out to be a chick called Starbuck. Damn you Hollywood, Damn you to hell.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 7:25 p.m. CST

    So over the Ratner hate...

    by Paul T. Ryan

    Please tell me just what is so terrible about Brett Ratner's work? And do most of you hate him just because certain columnists for this site do?

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    For one thing, he fucks horses. That ain't right. Not right at all.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    You know this to be true.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Why a remake?

    by Childe Roland

    Why not just have a younger Snake escaping from some other city using the original Escape from LA script we go t a look at recently? That clone ending could explain why the younger Snake doesn't look quite like the Snake we get in the two later films. And if this movie's a hit, a prequel to a prequel starring the same young kid, escapinmg from yet another city (Leningrad?). The possibilities of the new far outweigh the unmined potential of the old in this case.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 8:23 p.m. CST


    by Geek Sodomizer

    Is this some kind of cruel hoax? I kinda liked the first couple Rush Hour movies but c'mon! This guy is completely wrong for this project. So WTF is this gonna be PG-13 now?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    man oh man

    by BadMrWonka

    it's like eating so much shitty mexican food that when you feel the rumble in your stomach, you don't know which end it's coming out of...either way, it's gonna burn...

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 8:29 p.m. CST

    This has been the worst week EVER!

    by Allfather Starr

    My god, first that shitty dreadalien, then the near dark news, then the T4 story, now this. Fuck me, all our favourite movies are getting absolutely ruined. What next, an update on just how shitty that Preacher tv series is going to be?

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:04 p.m. CST


    by Judge Briggs

    mother fucked

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:21 p.m. CST

    This is (relatively) good news

    by Fixxxer

    Look, I don't like what Brett Ratner did with "X-Men" either, but his "Rush Hour" films and "Red Dragon" are all far, far better than everything Len Wiseman has directed. "Live Free or Die Hard" was by far the worst of the series, and the "Underworld" movies managed to suck all the excitement out of a premise that should have been pure gold.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Maybe we can have Ratner

    by Reload

    Maybe we can have Ratner combine movies, so we get X:MEN vs. Rush Hour 4 vs Snake Pliskin: Requiem. I, for one, can't wait to watch a barely intelligible Jackie Chan scream profanities are Magneto, all while Snake grimaces in the backround. I'd rather watch a 24 hour Gilbert Gottfried marathon than anything more by Ratner I unfortunately saw Xmen United, and sadly can't get those 2 hours of my life back.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:49 p.m. CST


    by Little Dick Wick

    Brett Ratner is ballin' like dat PS Triple!!! Chad Warden all about GAMES!!!!11!one/!!shift1!1

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST

    What is Mostow doing these days?

    by Wed Vid Guy

    T3 and Breakdown were great films and I can see his style being perfect for Escape. Totally serious here.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    This movie needs a savior!!

    by Turd Furgeson

    This movie needs someone who can do dirty and gritty and moody and not be afraid to be campy when needed and throw hard core voilence in your face... This movie needs.................... David Fincher Nuf Said.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 12:15 a.m. CST

    to the tune of bring back my bonnie to me...

    by ironburl

    Ratner got blown by a tranny, and Uwe got blown by a jew, Who cares who they fuck with in private, Th' problem's they're screwin' us too! OOOOohh bring back, bring back, some other fucking direeeec-ectors!

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Talentless hack

    by wash

    Seriously. WTF.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 1:45 a.m. CST

    I put the name brett ratner in a anagram generator

    by Mr_X

    and it came up with "talentless fuck", even though its completely different letters. how wierd is that?

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Worse than Wiseman? Michael Bay

    by CuervoJones


  • Oct. 5, 2007, 2:07 a.m. CST

    Worse than Ratner? Michael Bay

    by CuervoJones

    Bay has no cojones.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 2:24 a.m. CST

    Well this is now offically butt fooked

    by redfist

    I have read the script and it is "cool as balls" But Ratner is a hack, and this is will now be a gutless wonder of a fag flick.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 2:47 a.m. CST

    Red Dragon was an OK remake!

    by Jesson

    Remember? The casting was absolutely brilliant and Ratner caught the atmosphere of SOTL pretty good! Why shouldn't he be able to do that again!? I'm actually against the remaking of EFNY - I love this movie... Eventhough it is VERY eighties it still holds up!! If Hollywood believes the world cannot do without this remake, Ratner is not such a piss poor choice as some of you guys are making it!

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 5:35 a.m. CST

    Atleast it's not Uwe Boll...

    by Stalkeye

    And as for the guy suggesting Paul Anderson...same difference as Ratner. Paul had his chance with AVP and fucked it up royally. However I second Samuel Jackson as Duke of NY "What's my name mutha fucker" President; "You are the dke of new york, you're A number 1" Duke: "shit negro, that's all you had to say.."

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 5:38 a.m. CST

    I already wrote one rant on how useless Ratner is

    by RockLobster800

    like, last week....I cant get that angry about him again....but I will say that its a damn shame the standard of major hollywood directors for big projects has dropped. Yeah, we still have Nolan, Raimi, Pete Jackson and Bryan Singer despite the major recent backlash against him, but seriously I have to write off certain projects immediatly cos Hollywood will pickup a hack for hire rather than get a good director. Everyday its, "Mc G is doing this....." "Len Wiseman is...." "Brett Ratner is..." "Marcus Nispel might...." and the inevitable "Michael Bay is producing a remake of.....". I mean, why OOOHH WHy are these guys stil major players?...I know there are good nay great directors out there, but their films are small (not that I have a problem with that, I love my indie cinema as much as the next guy) but their MAJOR projects, the ones that should be teaching the majority of the public about the emotional and intellectual parts of cinema, are getting farther and farther in between....I mean look at Hollywood in the 70's for a comparison....Christ even the '80's (say what you like about Zemeckis, Joe Dante or Ivan Reitman but when they delivered major blockbusters, they fucking DELIVERED)...but MAJOR films nowadays either lack the balance between excitement, social comment and story or, for the most part, are complete crap. And this remake trend is taking the ones that got it right and ballsing them, this turned into a lot bigger rant that previosuly expected.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 6:18 a.m. CST


    by Fineus Fog

    can fuck off!. I read an interview wit him (yeah I was fucken bored) adn he came off like a drooling fucken idiot. EFNY is one of my favs from childhood and if ratners involved my moneys going elswhere. Maybe I should 10 bucks worth of crisps, money better spent I think

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Xmen 3 was class and Ratner will do a great Job

    by bongo123

    like to see you lot do any better...

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 7:05 a.m. CST

    bunch of net hiding pussie wannabe directors

    by bongo123

    the lotta ye, who gives a flying fuck what childhood film gets remade, hollywood owns your asses and at the end of the day they will get your money one way or another

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 7:11 a.m. CST

    This is the formula Hollywood !!!

    by Darth Sicilian

    Dear Hollywood Suits: Brett Ratner+ EFNY Remake= A marginally profitable one time film. A talented director who can rise to the level of the source material be cause he loves the original + EFNY remake= A probable blockbuster with a great franchise potential You should burn your MBAs if you can't grasp the concept of putting out high quality product that will have customers coming back again and again versus selling a crap product for a quick onetime profit.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST


    by RockLobster800

    exactly, the fact that theyre getting peoples money (including yours) for (re)making shite doesnt piss you off at all? Cos that the problem. and X3 was alright, it had the infinite potential to be better, but was rushed cos the studios wanted to get it out as fast as possible. and Ratner wont do a good job. See-everything he's made.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 8:14 a.m. CST

    I can't wait to hear Snake say...

    by arrangedletters

    "Can you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?"

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Re-imagine THIS!

    by Virdon


  • Oct. 5, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    WHY Tarantino?

    by Blood T Cat

    Are you fucking kidding? Someone seriously suggested Tarantino? Yeah, that's what I want, Snake Plissken making cracks about Jack Hill movies and talking for 45 minutes.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    WHY Tarantino?

    by Blood T Cat

    Are you fucking kidding? Someone seriously suggested Tarantino? Yeah, that's what I want, Snake Plissken making cracks about Jack Hill movies and talking for 45 minutes.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST


    by Turd Furgeson

    Looks like i'll be drinking again today..... all the talented young directors in the world to make this somewhat original, and they get the corporate monkey to direct it... sigh.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST

    coming soon to an internet torrent near you!

    by ironic_name

    very near. wow. <P> this movie has tanked before its gone into motion.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 9:47 a.m. CST

    That cake scene in Family Man....

    by TheOregonUndertaker

    ...Nic Cage and Tea Leoni slathering each other with chocolate cake. And then he doesn't even get to keep his family at the end. Fuckin' Don Cheadle, man.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST


    by ironic_name


  • Oct. 5, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST


    by sarajevobot

    If those idiots put in a little time and care to make this an actual good movie, they will make more money and have a possible franchise on their hands. No one will give a shit in the long term about a Brett Ratner EFNY. It will make a few bucks, and then that'll be it. I'm wracking my brains to try and think of a director who could handle this properly and i'm coming up empty so far. Maybe Peter Berg?

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Didn't I say this YESTERDAY?

    by Kal El Vis

    IESB "confirmed" this on their site. by Kal El Vis Oct 4th, 2007 02:58:45 PM I guess I did.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Oh man

    by TattooedBillionaire

    Hollywood really hates me. They know exactly what I don't want to see and go with it. I expect Ratner will initially want to tone down the coolness of Snake and make sure that Chris Tucker will be his sidekick. Hilarity will ensure!!!!!

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Oh man

    by TattooedBillionaire

    Hollywood really hates me. They know exactly what I don't want to see and go with it. I expect Ratner will initially want to tone down the coolness of Snake and make sure that Chris Tucker will be his sidekick. Hilarity will ensue!!!!!

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 1:51 p.m. CST


    by TattooedBillionaire

    Sorry for the double-post!

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST


    by mrbong

    have you not worked this out yet? they are going to spend $20million making the film to generate more than double that amount on the back of sales of the original in DVD Blu Ray, HD-DVD and fucking Beta as a protest against this remake. a clever marketing strategy, and we have all been suckered into the marketing for it.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Why not give it to Russell Mulcahy?

    by TheNorthlander

    Highlander fucking rocks.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    X3 and Red Dragon are proof that....

    by wackybantha

    ..Ratner can make an ok movie with bad to average scripts. Now, if they actually give him a good one, which Merrick says this is, then I say lets give this guy the benefit of the doubt. I don't think he's ever been given a good script. I think they intentionally give him the bad ones because he has shown he can make money with bad ones. For that, I give him credit.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 4 p.m. CST

    Not worried.

    by mrfan

    They can remake this movie all they want. The first one is the best. Always will be. Nothing can touch it. Funny to see studios greenlight remakes. Playing it safe will get the industry nowhere. How about something original?

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Please someone send a terminator back in time to kill

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    Ratner, or just kill him in the present...

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Either one would be fine

    by monorail77

    I actually think Ratner will do, not only a very good job, but a btter one that Wiseman. Wiseman's films, so far, while fun, are a bit of a mess - lots of awkward or missed beats. Ratner doesn't have this problem. He's enthusiastic and tells good, tight stories. I'm all for this.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 4:21 p.m. CST

    So Kurt Russel walks in and catches Ratner snorting

    by Stuntcock Mike

    coke off Gerald Butler's six-pack abs? What then?

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST


    by TheNorthlander

    Resident Evil 3 isn't badly directed. The script is bad, but it's written by the W.S. guy. I'm not a Resident Evil fan, I watched part of the first but turned it off. Not much into the games either. But RE3 was actually watchable, and the jump-scares were well choreographed, the actors did a decent job with what they had, and I think a lot of the good stuff in that we owe to Russell. As for Highlander 2, well yeah between 1991 and 1999 (when the phantom menace arrived) it was the worst sequel ever. But if you look at it as just another non-highlander sci-fi movie but with the same cast and crew, it's not half bad. They just need to remove any evidence of Highlander in it. I think he'd be a better choice than Ratner or McG, and a more likely one than say Proyas, Verhoeven, Snyder, Rodriguez or Cameron.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST


    by dioxholster

    some one should do something, maybe someone should 'take good care' of Ratner if u catch my drift so we can achieve a ratner-free film for once.

  • Oct. 7, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Fuuuucckk Thiiiisss!!!!

    by Knuckleduster

    Jesus, I swear to god, that cunt Ratfuck is going out of his way to fuck up the entire history of cinema! Sorry, just found out...

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST


    by metaluna

    Captain, she's been holed below the water line and no amount of bailing will keep her afloat! Arrr... she was a promising ship until that no mark Ratner got his hands on her. Arrr. This ship be doomed... DOOMED I tell ye. ABANDON SHIIIIP. Glug glug glug.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Is the site on some kind of time warp

    by blindambition238

    All of todays (Oct 31) articles have been replaced by these old ass ones

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 8:21 p.m. CST


    by slone13

    I totally felt a shift in the space-time continuum. We're in the present but Aint It Cool is 3 weeks in the past. There's gotta be some way to make some fast money from this... Grey's Sports Almanac style kind of shit...

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 8:26 p.m. CST

    to Iammrmonkey...

    by DuncanDisorderly

    the words "rob zombie" and "halloween" spring to mind...

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    It seems like a time warp...

    by Bobo_Vision

    ...because I'm just really drunk. Thats why it seems like a time warp to you guys. When I sober up, all will be normal.