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TERMINATOR 4 update!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. The big talk of the internet right now is a rumor over at CHUD concerning McG possibly stepping behind the camera for T4. I'm not automatically against the idea, but I'm not too hot on it, either. I mean, I like Jonathan Mostow's films, but T3 didn't work at all for me. It's not that I hated it, but I was so indifferent to it that I almost wish I hated it because then I'd feel something one way or the other. On top of that bit of rumor, I've also heard another juicy rumor concerning someone who could slap his living tissue over metal endo-skeleton. I'm hearing that Vin Diesel is taking meetings with the Terminator people and the assumption is it's about him being a Terminator... of course, I'd love it if they cast him as one of the resistance fighters instead, but I could see him being a good Terminator. No matter what happens... if McG does it, if Vin Diesel joins... whatever... I hope that they go back to a kind of gritty realism that James Cameron did so well. We've always wanted to see the future war in all its glory... I know I've been dying to see it since I read the T2 novelization and got that whole extra chunk as John Conner breaks Skynet and sends back Kyle Reese and the re-programed T-800. But I think one of things that turned me off about T3 was just how slick it looked. I'd love it if the future war is dire... if it matched tonally with the glimpses we saw in the first Terminator film. What do you folks think?


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  • Oct. 3, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST

    first

    by ironic_name

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST

    FRIST

    by Chewbaccalypse Now

    is the new FIRTS.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Yay, Vin Diesel for Terminator!

    by JackPumpkinhead

    He will kill Connor with his peacup.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    please CHRIST, not mcg!

    by ironic_name

    .

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    t4 the music video.

    by ironic_name

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST

    I think Vin Diesel is kind of a...

    by KillDozer

    cool choice for a new Terminator. I also liked Terminator 3. There, I said it. I liked Terminator 3.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST

    The only way this mess would work....

    by Mr. Profit

    Is if they had 3 Terminators. Maggie Q., The Rock, and Vin Diesel. Sounds cheesy, but remember, no one is really checking for a Terminator movie any more. So casting the right action stars is the key. Guys like Maggie Q and find her sexy. People would like to see Vin and Rocky throw down and battle. And of course chicks would like to see them too.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    t4 : end of the franchise

    by ironic_name

    in other news, lucasfilm computers were stolen? explain!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 5:58 p.m. CST

    And go back to being rated R please....

    by Mr. Profit

    I know T3 was supposedly Rated R, but I don't see why it was exactly. Die Hard 4 had more violence. In Terminator 3 it really fucking irked me that the female Terminator (I won't call her a Terminatrix) killed a bunch of people off screen.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Oh dear Christ, I first read "McG" and "Terminator"...

    by JackPumpkinhead

    ...so before reading the rest I wanted to joke and give a stupid proposal, such as "Shia for Arnold", and what better and dumber than "Vin Diesel for Terminator"... and now that I actually read the rest of the news, I see that this is THE TRUTH? Holy Jesus. Hollydead is so idiotic and cliched it beats bad jokes now. What's next, I'll say "Daeg Faehehrehrehhershcsh (the kid from Zombieween) for Lil' Dirty Harry!", only to see that Paul WS Anderson is announcing just that two minutes later...?

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Vin Diesel v. Marcus Schenkenburg

    by Maxer

    A clash for the ages. And Quint - I thought the present scenes from T3 definitely weren't as gritty or raw as the other two, but the future scenes did it perfectly, plus with awesome CG. If T4 looks like that, then I'll be happy.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST

    The war is better in your imagination trust me...

    by TheRealSeveren

    it'll never be what you want it to be. The idea is always better than the reality. James Cameron knew this...

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    McG

    by Chewbaccalypse Now

    I remember watching "Charlie's Angels" and thinking "Wow, that was THE LONGEST MOUNTAIN DEW COMMERCIAL EVER!"

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST

    WORST RUMOR EVER?

    by ironic_name

    nic cage. <P> tim burton. <P> superman.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST

    T3 Was Great

    by topaz4206

    Zack Snyder for T4?<br><br>Can't think of anyone else.<br><br>Oh yeah.. how bout CAMERON?!?!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    McG? please no...anyone but him.

    by Datascream

    I heard a while back they wanted to go on more of a Batman Begins type of storytelling. Which is something I'm all for. But McG? He's about as bad Paul "AVP" Anderson. Vin Diesel wouldn't be TOO bad. However I think The Rock would have been a better actor. Seeing as he's beginning to stretch himself more as an actor.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST

    lohan as a sexy fembot

    by ironic_name

    that is naked, but with no nudity.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    mcg is to bay

    by ironic_name

    as zelda rubenstien is to angelina jolie

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    if slick is your problem...

    by master bitchfist

    if your problem with T3 was how slick it looked, then how do you think that vin diesel in a McG film is going to look? McG only has one style: flashy, annoyingly so. if this happens i expect to see vin diesel running around with no shirt on, in a ridiculously flashy action flick, theres no way this can be good

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST

    i proclaim this talkback

    by ironic_name

    ironia!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST

    McG is horrible... But...

    by Mr. Profit

    Only because he went overboard with the budgets for the Charlie's Angel's films by spending loads of money on the rights for using a shit load of songs. Rather than spending money on good SFX or even a good script. Isn't there another action movie hack out there in Hollywood? How about getting Proyas to direct. He has a good eye and visual flair.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Datascream McG should use The Rock and

    by TheButcher

    Vin Diesel. I would rather see two pumped muscle bound maniacs rip each other apart anyway. I've been wanting to see two T-800 model Terminators fight for a long time.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    T3 looks slick? It's lighting was flatter than Keira

    by modlight

    Knightly's chest... OH!!! I do agree that it was a phenomenally blah movie until the last 5 mins which should have been minutes 30-35.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    McG

    by TattooedBillionaire

    No. I don't want him. How could the producers think he'll be good for this? Everything he touches sucks. He's Brett Ratner with a dumber name. Oh, crap. I pray they don't ask Ratner.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Keith Richards should play the Terminator in this one.

    by TheNorthlander

    I mean, the man just keeps on going. You can't stop him. Come to think of it, he should play Jason too.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    There was something else too....

    by modlight

    oh yeah. McG blows as a director, although I find his television producer credit showing up more than I'd like on shows I watch. oh and I should've put Its not It's above. I hate quick, bad, grammer.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    he can not be killed by mortal weapons

    by ironic_name

    keith

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:18 p.m. CST

    robert patrick worked with mcg

    by ironic_name

    change his name to mclovin

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST

    T3 is vastly UNDERRATED; T2 is vastly OVERRATED

    by odysseus

    You read me right. T3 was tight and had a ballsy ending. T2 was a sprawling mess (yes, with some coolness interspersed), and was way too sappy/sentimental. "I know now why you cry," said the TERMINATOR. Gimme a break!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Shit....

    by Terry the geek

    I'll watch it. It won't be as good as T2 or probably even T3 but I ama a sucker for The Terminator.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST

    make it a comedy

    by ironic_name

    with that big negroid, terry crews.. <P> y'know, president camacho.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:22 p.m. CST

    odysseus

    by TheNorthlander

    You, my friend, are wrong on every level. But hey, opinions are like assholes, right?

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    This is going to be lamer

    by aron

    This is going to be lamer than the Sarah Conner Chronicles tv show.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST

    the hoff as a terminator

    by ironic_name

    shia as john.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:28 p.m. CST

    KEVIN JAMES as Terminator!!!

    by The Biomind

    Kevin James as Terminator! He could have some kind of mega-ultra-gun hidden in his guts! Plus, he's funny, and that's really what a terminator movie is all about! "Talk to the hand!"

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    the terminator 4: the pacifier

    by ironic_name

    face-melting crappiness.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Mc unicorns are the new hobos

    by gride9000

    grey is the new frank sinatra

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    I completely agree with odysseus...

    by BGDAWES

    I'm going to get slammed here but my personal (meaningless) ranking of the Terminator films would go: <br> <br> 1.) 1 <br> 2.) 3 <br> 3.) 2 <br> <br> The action was tighter and more entertaining in 3 AND the way the story came together in 3 was more inventive I thought AND the ending was better AND Nick Stahl was a much much better John Connor than that burn out Edward Furlong (Furlong is good though, Stahl's just better). <br> <br> So there you have it. You know all have permission to destroy me for having this opinion like I know you will.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Oh no! please no!

    by Korrom

    Well, I liked T3 (and T1 and T2 of course). In fact, I find myself watching it even more often than the other two. It might not have Cameron's brooding dark vision, but it stands its ground on other territory. So, I'm not really against doing another one. But seriously, nothing good will come out of this, if they don't get some people who know what they're doing. As an actor and screen presence, Diesel is completely worthless and McG has piled up so much shit in his body of work it's not even funny. And don't they dare ask Ratner to do it instead!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    octopus is the new paper

    by ironic_name

    prince is still a purple lawn gnome.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Kevin James as resistance fighter!

    by The Biomind

    Kevin James would make a great resistance fighter!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    regarding this new Terminator trilogy

    by TheNorthlander

    The cool thing about making these three upcomming Terminator movies is that while they're technically sequels, on every other level they actually work as Prequels. Because they're telling the backstory to the first Terminator movie. The same goes for the Sarah Connor TV-show. It's all in that "Shouldn't really be told because we already know this fucking story"-place. It used to be that sequels were by definition bad ideas. Now Hollywood can make good sequels. They've learnt that if you actually plan them in advance, the story will work. If they learn the same thing about Prequels, maybe they can actually make a good one of those too?

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    'Now' not 'Know'

    by BGDAWES

    That's as great of a typo as your instead of you're. <br> <br> Go ahead and tear me apart for this too. I deserve it.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:32 p.m. CST

    kevin james survived a fuckin scientologist

    by ironic_name

    terminators are like kitties to him, buddy-boy.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Isn't this potential hack job up Len Wiseman's alley?

    by Mr. Profit

    I mean McG? Sounds like McG started the rumor himself just to get his name out there. I don't think anyone would be dumb enough to hire him for a T4. Imagine the talkback on here if it were official? Anarchy.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    WILL SMITH as terminator!

    by The Biomind

    Will Smith would be a great terminator! There is no reason a terminator has to be white. Machines aren't racist, are they? And we could have a great "T4 Rap" on the soundtrack album. "Yeah. Yeah. I'm the terminator. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I'm a abd mofo. Uh-huh."

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    By that I mean

    by TheNorthlander

    Ok you make a movie, right? You reveal the necesary parts of the back story, right? But when the prequel is made, you learn new things about the back story that sheds a completely new light on the first movie and you can now watch it again and see new layers you've completely missed before.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    vin diesel was the iron giant.

    by ironic_name

    make t4 animated and we're talking.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Mr. Profit

    by TheNorthlander

    Don't give them any ideas.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Harrison Ford as terminator!

    by The Biomind

    He has been making medicore movies for 2 decades now, so what?

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Biomind, WTF?

    by robzass

    You should never be allowed to speak again. You just embarrassed yourself with your whiteness.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Ridley Scott should make T4.

    by TheNorthlander

    or George Miller, or Paul Veerhoven or well any QUALIFIED director.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    mcg recently said

    by ironic_name

    "ya want fries wit dat?" <P> at the local white castle.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    I wont.... Here's a better one. Alex Proyas for T4.

    by Mr. Profit

    He made "The Crow", "I Robot" was not bad. And both Darren Arronofsky and the Wachowski's "Borrowed" from "Dark City". He's do a good job. Hire him ASAP.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST

    btw BGDAWES and Korrom

    by TheNorthlander

    If you get some white powder in the mail, I don't know who sent it.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Re: Michael Mann

    by TheNorthlander

    I could see that. Problem is, he would stick five Audioslave songs on the soundtrack and while I really like Audioslave too, I'm just not sure they would work in a Terminator movie.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    who made cassshern?

    by ironic_name

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Ron Jeremy as terminator!

    by The Biomind

    Ron Jeremy would make a great terminator! This guy has been struggling for ages to make his way into real cinema. No resistance figther would suspect a little fat guy of being a mean machine. Imagine how great he could be if somebody like Wim Wenders directed T4!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    robzass

    by Mr. Profit

    For real. I read that post and said "WTF?" Seriously, Will Smith hung up his rap career when his more "Urban" album flopped a few years back. I don't think he will ever rap again. But don't give the producers any ideas bro. Because they'll cast T.I. and Ludacris and it will be the battle of the midget terminator vs the anorexic terminator. Soundtrack produced by Kanye West.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Re: Proyas

    by TheNorthlander

    I could see that too. The Wachowskis "borrowed" a lot from The Crow too.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Wim Wenders as director for T4!

    by The Biomind

    How beautiful would the end credits song sound? Bono's voice; The Edge's guitars.... "I still haven't killed who I'm looking for..." (to the tune of "I Still haven't found what I'm looking for").

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST

    @TheNorthlander

    by Korrom

    Come on, you know it! Diesel is not worth the spacial volume he occupies. A waste of fresh air.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST

    t4: john conner and his wife in a room

    by ironic_name

    for ten thousand years.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Sly Stallone as terminator! And director!

    by The Biomind

    Stallone had such a great comeback with the masterpiece "Rocky Balboa". He would be a GREAT terminator. He would bring such passion and emotion to the role. He could play a really OLD model.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:44 p.m. CST

    When I saw Requiem for a Dream in the theater

    by Mr. Profit

    And that scene happens where Jennifer Connelly was on the dock with the red dress, I didn't know if it was an homage/in joke/ or blatant theft.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    steve martin as the terminator!

    by ironic_name

    a pot of damp soil directs

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    alfonso quaron for director

    by ironic_name

    for real.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Stallone as the T?

    by Korrom

    Adriaaaane, nothing is over! Hehe, sorry. At least it's a far better choice than Diesel or even worse, The Rock. If Stallone is Terminator material I don't know. I think it's just not his style.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Your Terminated, Fucker!

    by Lornsorrow

    "I'd love it if the future war is dire... if it matched tonally with the glimpses we saw in the first Terminator film." Absolutely! That look and that quality is exactly what it should be like. I've been waiting since back in the day to see that happen. And definitly Rated-R! By the way, I don't know if anyone else here has ever noticed it, but there are some looks and qualities in that first terminator film that match Escape From New York. I love both films, and I've noticed over the years that there are some shots in the dark streets and what not that are very similar. This might be due to the case that Camerom worked a little bit on Escape From New York on the visual effects as a "(matte artist) (as Jim Cameron) (special effects director of photography) (as Jim Cameron)" according to IMDB. There could be other reasons, the lower budget quality, etc. But I think this similar look in places is just damn cool! One could almost see Snake running around in the terminator world. If they do Terminator 4, it would be awesome if Snake had a quick cameo. As for Vin Diesel, I'd like to see him as a resistance fighter, but probably not as a terminator. I like some of his films just films (the Pitch Black stuff, XXX), but I don't think his qualities lean in a direction that would make him a great terminator. But I think he's do great as a resistance fighter.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:47 p.m. CST

    The real question is...

    by The Biomind

    ...will we be seeing the terminator wearing pink sun glasses? Because that scene in T3 really brought the whole franchise to new heights! Imagine how cool a battle scene would look in which hundreds of endo skeleton terminators are wearing pink, star shaped sun glasses! Whoa!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST

    huh,

    by Lornsorrow

    couple typo's there near the end of that, oh well. you get the point.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST

    alfonso!

    by ironic_name

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Jennifer Garner and Jessica Alba as terminators!!!

    by The Biomind

    They could lure all the male resistance fighters into a death trap with a hot lesbian sex scene. Then, suddenly their naked boobs start shooting! Like in that one Austin Powers movie! The only survivor of that massacre would be a resistance fighter played by Seth Green. He survived because he was so small, that all the deadly laser beams missed him. Now, THAT's great story telling!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    I liked T3, but McG would be a mistake.

    by epitone

    McG has yet to shoot a frame of film that would convince me he'd be an appropriate director. I'd actually put him slightly behind Ratner.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST

    cuarón!

    by ironic_name

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST

    T3 lacked the human and relationship

    by veritasses

    aspects that Cameron is able to depict so well so the action/motives were rather meaningless and it was hard for the audience to root for anyone or anything in particular. The terminator in T3 was also rather shallow/one dimensional and a weak antagonist is going to make a weak action film. There were some other things that made it weak too but those are the big ones. Having said that I didn't think it was the worst thing I ever saw. It just wasn't a great film, esp when compared to T1, T2.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST

    alfonso!

    by ironic_name

    alfonso!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST

    cuarón!

    by ironic_name

    cuarón!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    t4: febots-ahoy!

    by ironic_name

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    TERMINATORS vs TRANSFORMERS

    by The Biomind

    Now, that would be a movie. In the end, RoboCop saves the day.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Who are the ad wizards...

    by wampa 1

    ...who came up with this one?

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Alfonso Cuaron as terminator!

    by The Biomind

    You have to think outside the box!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Proyas would totally work!!

    by Terry the geek

    The man does darka dn bleak well.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Is there anything about the story of this going around?

    by Korrom

    I personally would like if it was kind of directly attached to T3, with the resistance structures just forming. I'd also like Stahl and Danes back as JConner plus one. They did good. If they're doing that, why not talk Mostow into directing again. T3 was the only film of his I liked so far. Maybe he can do it again.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Uwe Boll!

    by The Biomind

    Uwe Boll! It makes sense, because there are Terminator computer games!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7 p.m. CST

    T1 was the only good one

    by Prossor

    2 and 3 are effects-vehicles

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Brett Ratner as director!

    by The Biomind

    Because X3 and the Rush Hour movies are masterpieces!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Blasphemy!!!!

    by Korrom

    Anyone who speaks that name should be sucked down to hell immediately! No mercy!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Re: TheNorthlander

    by BGDAWES

    Are you planning to send me some of the 'ko-cai-aynee' (ie Booger Suger) or were you referencing anthrax? <br> <br> If it was the former please send this along to: <br> <br> 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW <br> Washington, D.C <br> 20500-0003 <br> <br> We'd appreciate it!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:03 p.m. CST

    I meant that Boll business of course.

    by Korrom

    But, come to think of it think of it, for Ratner, you still get purgatory, so you can think of your mistakes.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Terminators are supposed to be infiltration units

    by sean bean

    So why would they look like Schwarzenegger or that chick from T3? You'd notice either of them walk into a room (or a bunker). Maybe that's why Skynet lost. If they had any sense they would manufacture William H. Macy or Steve Buscemi terminators.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Korrom

    by TheNorthlander

    Yeah Vin is just generally not good although I liked him in Boiler Room. I read the story in the new Terminator trilogy revolves around some "as yet unrevealed" freedom fighter who looks up to John Connor as a mentor. Makes sense, because then John Connor can die (in movies, the Mentor character always die. Literally or figuratively.) My guess would be the movies will center around John Connor's father Kyle Reese, played by Michael Biehn in Terminator 1.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Liked T3

    by Redfoot the Fence

    Liked the ending a lot. HATE this rumor...both parts. Vin Diesel would butcher the role; McG...I just get a bad vibe about him. He'd make it too "fun" and "accessible"

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Buscemi as the Terminator

    by Korrom

    Now that would be a sight to behold. Makes sense, in a tactical way though. But where to put all that endoskeleton stuff in Buscemi?

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Drama for Superman!

    by samurai sark

    Why doesn’t Superman have a sequel coming out? Because the first one under performed? So what? “The Hulk” underperformed, that doesn’t change the value of the character or the loyalty of true fans. Superman is the king of superheroes and he can’t get a sequel going? For shame, WB. People complain that Superman is hard to write for because doesn’t have any decent villains besides Luthor. Brainiac is a sentient, artificial being from the same planet; there’s not a decent sci-fi plot for that premise? Metallo is a violent criminal with a kryptonite heart; any chance for a brutal story of redemption? Bizarro, a dangerous, twisted version of Superman; any chance for a creepy, disturbing horror film? Zod swore revenge on Jor-El’s entire family, and Kal-El has a kid now… any chance for a vendetta film? So what if Bryan Singer doesn’t want to do it? Get a another director, a better one. Cameron? The Wachowski brothers? The Hughes Brothers? There are two Scots, Tony and Ridley; pick one. Just because Bryan Singer took the cap off the bottle doesn’t mean he’s the only one that can drink. Its Richard Donner’s bottle, why not let him direct it. Why not? Brandon Routh looks great as Superman. A few more hours of watching what Chris Reeves did right will make him better at it. Let him be tough as nails, charming as a prince, and square like a boy scout all at the same time. Kevin Spacey is great as Luthor. He should bein all movies, even if it’s just the shadow of his head and his voice. Menacing stuff. Lois needs to be recast. Rachel MacAdams, Missy Peregym, Alyssa Milano, Parker Posey (I wish). Someone smart, sassy, and hot enough to keep Superman wanting his baby mama. Don’t kill the kid. Use the kid to give Superman an element of fear and worry. He can’t stress over just Lois anymore, the kid has to be important. We need flying. Buildings burning, trains falling, planes crashing, all that danger. More danger! Whenever he’s in the suit he should be flying, or about to fly. He’s got a lot of stuff to do. (Sigh) He’s the biggest superhero on the planet, and we can’t get a greenlight for a sequel. Meanwhile, Batman got himself a nice, careful director who loves the source material and he’s doing better than fine. Why not Superman?

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    sean bean

    by TheNorthlander

    Originally, Arnold was supposed to play Kyle Reese and Lance Henriksen was supposed to be The Terminator (according to Cameron on the DVD commentary). They switched because Arnie just pulled off that machine look and feel. I guess it would make sense if the T800 was at the time the newest model, because maybe skynet's cyborg technology wasn't developed enough at the time. T1000 is a much better infiltrator. That chick from T3 made no sense, but much of the movie didn't.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Uh...

    by bentmywookie

    ...how was the Teminator in T2 more than a shallow/one dimensional character than the one in T3? I loved all three, by the way, and I also agree T3 is underrated and some of the sentimental stuff in T2 was too sappy. I'd rate them about the same.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST

    The Universal Studios attraction...

    by Heckles

    ...is better than T3. T-1,000,000 for life suckaaaaaaaa!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    @TheNorthlander

    by Korrom

    You think they bring Biehn back? I guess I'd like that. However, I think he is an unlikely choice, because he did not have that much prominent big screen exposure lately. For the rest of the story you proposed, it sounds logical since killing off Connor is a given. But if they're going to make this a trilogy, I think they let him struggle for some time and wait until the last one to kill him. I would like a story arc that starts with the "future backstory" of the first one, you know, capturing the terminator by accident, then take occupy the machine complex and send him back. Then they could go about the backstories of the other two, ending with the killing of Connor by the T and his wife capturing him and sending him back. I think a decent storyline for a trilogy could be done with that.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    I am not sure if I buy a

    by jelac07

    I am not sure if I buy a Terminator movie without at least some Arnold in it... I mean if the Govenator is a common enough model to be in both flicks... then shouldn't there be tons of these guys running around... I mean shit...at least CGI some of those fuckers in the background for good measure... <br>McG???? bah!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:23 p.m. CST

    sean bean

    by 300 monkeys

    yea, verily, you say smart things. The PK Dick story "Second Variety" - an extremely likely influence on the original Terminator - had a machines vs. humans war where the machines had just figured out how to imitate people. The first variety were modeled after soldiers and were extremely easy to spot, but the second variety was a lost, wounded little girl. Guess which variety had more success?

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST

    They could use Biehn...but

    by jelac07

    They could use Biehn...but they would have youngify him via that creepy X3 technology

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Korrom

    by TheNorthlander

    They're gonna choose someone young, to appeal to the younger audience. Biehn was 28 in The Terminator (he's 51 now) so it would be someone who is his age but can play the same character. IF they center the story around Reese (which is the only logical alternative I can think of since it's not gonna be Connor).

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    jelac07

    by TheNorthlander

    No way can a 51-year-old play 28 convincingly. Recasting, on the other hand, makes sense.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    TheNorthlander

    by jelac07

    Agreed... hence the whole creepy de-aging shit they used in X-men three... that shit was too distracting...t'was sarcasm

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Wachowski Brothers as directors!!!!

    by The Biomind

    Imagine the great philosophical talk between man and machine! And bullet time! IMAGINE PHILOSOPHICAL TALK IN BULLET TIME! Jet Li could be the kung fu terminator! By the way, Keanu Reeves would be a great terminator. His performances are wooden and speaks every sentence in the same way. Just like a machine.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST

    The Bill Paxton curse

    by Allfather Starr

    What is this, they plan on fucking every movie he ever worked on. Aliens V Predator, piece of shit. Remaking Near Dark. Piece of shit. T3 and now this. More big ole pieces of SHIT. Thanks fuckers.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Allfather Starr

    by TheNorthlander

    You're right. It's like 6 degrees of Bill Paxton. You find out if a movie is a remake or not if Bill Paxton was in the original.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Johnny Drama and Vinnie Chase as terminators!

    by The Biomind

    Vinnie was great as Aquaman. And Drama was superb in Viking Quest!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Poor Bill

    by jelac07

    Tombstone 2 lol

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Shia LeBoef...

    by The Biomind

    ...as DIRECTOR! HA!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Actually...

    by jsm1978

    I kind of like the idea of Kevin James as a Terminator. Not seriously, but, can you imagine... everyone looking for some big buff guy coming in, and then the fat slob starts throwing everyone around? No one would be prepared for it.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Are you kidding?

    by Charlie Murphy

    McG and VinDielsel?!?! this is going to be pure flash and eye candy. there will be no realism whatsoever.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Its the Wachowskis' now

    by radjac33

    since one of the brothers is missing his "twig and berries"

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Arnold

    by jsm1978

    Someone said in a previous talk back that he should be one of the soldiers, a right-hand man of sorts to Conner, hence the Terminator looking that way. They capture/copy him to try to infiltrate the ranks of the resistance.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Its the Wachowskis' now

    by radjac33

    since one of the brothers is missing his "twig and berries"

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Original Terminator Film

    by CENOBITE

    Ever since I first laid eyes on the first Terminator film, I STILL haven't seen that gritty post-apoc world I was hoping to one day see in a full-fledged film. If not in the 1980's I'm afraid we will never see it. Alas all creativity has left Hollywood.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    T3 was better than it had any right to be...

    by Big Dan

    it was actually a somewhat pleasant surprise to me that summer because I had zero expectations going in, same with X3.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 8 p.m. CST

    T3 was too sunny. The tone was light 'cuz it wasnt nite

    by George Newman

    sorry for the lame syntax above, I simply wanted to convey my entire message in the subject. <p> But yeah, T3 shoould have been a darker film. Literally; lighting-wise. It was too sunny and chipper. Daylight=PG-13, heh

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Already shooting in NY? *Check Link*

    by George Newman

    http://tinyurl.com/you6mn

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Please make it stop!

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    Terminator was my Star Wars. I thought T3 was OK but a disappointment. Please don't let them make things worse.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST

    I actually liked T3

    by Itchy

    entertaining for what it was. I liked Claire Danes in it. There's something inexplicably hot about her. I think it's some residual affection I had because her mopey drag of a character in My So Called Life reminded me of the first chick I banged.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Ummmmm, who is McG???

    by Thworldisyours1

    And JUST SAY NO to Vin Diesel. His 15 minutes ended five years ago... In a perfect world, I would say get James Cameron but if he doesn't want to do it they REALLY need to find a director that can make a great action movie as well as a good sci-fi flick. Cameron was perfect at this with Aliens and the first two Terminator movies... As for T3, it's not a bad movie. It's just not nearly as good as the first two and the ending is REALLY anticlimatic. That being said it's damn near impossible to live up to the quality of the first 2... But I've always thought in the right hands, a movie about the future war would be amazing. I'll probably live to regret those words...

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 8:29 p.m. CST

    I can't think!?

    by FILMFUNK

    This is just idiotic! Mc Fucking Charlies angels G and Vin too fast too furious XXX silly voice, silly name Diesel!?<P>T3 was better than it had any right to be but this Stinks of piss!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    T3 was slick but...

    by drewlicious

    It was anything but run-of-the-mill if you ask me. The action sequences were creative and brutal and the chases were pretty damn creative. I liked the fact that they used a variety of cars as opposed to the fastest things on four wheels. It helps to emphasize tension over speed. At first I was afraid the movie would be in the same vein as the first two, which would have been a bad thing because both are products of their time. The catch-phrase thing is just awkward in this day and age. So the slight self-parody that went into a few scenes was a welcome touch. It's nowhere near the greatness of T2 but was still immensely satisfying. Now if T4 goes into the future I'm afraid we're going to lose some of the appeal. In the present these things are unstoppable, in the future they're obviously less of a challenge or otherwise there would be no resistance. So my fear this time is that we'll lose the tension that made this series so special in the first place.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Mayor McCheese set for 1st Unit A.D.

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Best boy? Hamburglar!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Hulk Hogan is the Terminator!

    by Johnno

    "I'll be back... BROTHER!"

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Mr Smith Syndrome

    by Chewbaccalypse Now

    If T4 is in the future, the only threat would be the fact that there are many MORE Terminators. But then you end up with the Matrix Reloaded phenomenon of having it actually feeling LESS Threatening by having more of the Antagonist.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Vin Diesel

    by antonphd

    Good choice. I still wish that they hadn't fucked up the Pitch Black sequel and killed the franchise. Twohey should have never tried to do PG13. He made a badass sci-fi horror movie and he could have kept going for a couple more films if he kept the R edge. What a blunder. I have liked Vin Diesel from the start and I wish he had realised that his audience likes him as a badass and he'd stayed a badass. I would have actually liked seeing him take over the role of Snake. That would have been a good fit.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    I wish the Terminator would go back in time...

    by RetroActive

    and knock off the creators of T3 and this garbage!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 9:42 p.m. CST

    My problem with T3 was Nick Stahl

    by TVguy4566

    I think he is a good actor, but was horribly miscast as the future savior of the human race. I saw nothing in his potrayal that sugguested he could lead a cub scout troup, nevermind the survivors of the human race against Skynet. Maybe it was the script, but he seemed to allow everything to happen to him rather than really take control of any situation. <br><br> Otherwise, I thought T3 was a good popcorn movie. Nowhere as good as the first two, but entertaining. Definitely, went way off script of Cameron's vision though.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST

    im down wit mcg!

    by dr.bulber

    terminators on wires!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Much could be done with Terminator franchise

    by kabong

    but won't be. <p> T3 was a chick flick. <p> McG makes Len Wiseman look like Kubrick. <p> Oh, yeah: put a cyborg dog in it.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 10:18 p.m. CST

    First of all, hwahwhawhahwhawhawa on McG

    by The Artist FKA Vesuvio

    Now that we get that out of the way, I liked T3 too. And I ALMOST agree with you Odysseus, but serioulsy, if we're going to bash T2 for that teary crap, what would you say about T3's 'the power of love can overcome any machine directives'? IMHO, they should have put this franchise to rest even before Sarah's Chronicles. T3's ending was perfect and finished the series' arc really nice.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST

    fuck McG

    by WolfmanNards

    he's McG

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    'T3' Wasn't Enough of a Franchise Killer?

    by skoobyx

    Sweet L Ron Hubbard almighty...that was the 'Batman and Robin' of Terminator movies.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    I don' wanna see shit anymore

    by Doctor_Sin

    I am no longer aching and burning to see future wars or other crap shit. It was alluded to, my mind can creatively imagine it and it's a damn sight cooler than ANYTHING McG could squeeze out into the toilet. WRITE ORIGINAL SHIT. The well is drier than Rue McClanahan's vagina.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Stupid things in Terminator 3.

    by veebeeyes

    I don't know, I just sort of completely got turned off from the movie when that Terminator Chick hacked into the cars' computers, and somehow managed to remotely operate the ppedals, hand brake, and steering wheel. I was like, "what the fuck is this shit? That's just fucking stupid." And that's where the movie lost me for good. Not even the awesome chase scene that followed immediately afterwards could bring me back.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Daughtry for Terminator!

    by captain_kirk

    Hey, if Variety can't get it right, maybe Chris Daughtry instead of Vin Diesel. Or how's this an idea: Terminator History X: Vin Diesel's reformed terminator goes back in time to prevent his younger brother, Daughtry Terminator, from becoming an evil skinhead terminator. Whatcha think? PS--I think that while Dominic Monaghan would have been a better casting choice for "adult" John Connor than Nick Stahl, T3 was a pretty decent movie, particularly the twisty end. It was really the best ending, and made the movie.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Oh good lord....

    by seniorspeilbergio

    just let it die already. Same with Star Trek. Here's the ugly truth Hollywood doesn't want to face: WE NEED NEW SHIT! STOP RECYCLYING 20 YEAR OLD IDEAS! This franchise is becoming more convoluted than the original Planet fo the Apes series. The structure of the Terminator Universe is a time travel story that loops back on itself. There's just not much there. I think Cameron knows that.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST

    T4 has the potential to be great

    by mr teaspoon

    Unfortunately we all know it'll be botched. Aren't there rumors floating around that the focus is going to be taken off of John Connor? IT'S NOT FUCKING ROCKET SCIENCE. Give us Skynet beating the piss out of the humans, make it dirty and make Connor the hero, assholes!

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Oh god no

    by Bass Bastardson

    That is all.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 11:11 p.m. CST

    McG is movie cancer

    by INWOsuxRED

    If the people making this movie are even considering him, that really tells me all I need to know about this one. They don't care about quality, they care about getting a product "on the shelves". They assume the audience is built in, but they're wrong. I liked T3. I thought I wouldn't, but I did. That doesn't change the fact that many fans didn't like the departure it took, and there are even more fans that will be leary of a T movie not built around Arnold. When you have a skeptical audience, you really need to deliver something to shut the skeptics down, and McG won't do that.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Where's the T2 love in this talkback?!!!

    by cuckoo's indian

    T2 is one of the most unbelievably visionary and spectacular action movies ever. Because Cameron understood what director's like Bay, McG, and others never will, that you have to mix SUSPENSE with your SPECTACLE. That suspense is what makes you cover your eyes or stand up and cheer when the bad guy finally blows up. (anybody here actually moved by Megatron's death?) Sure, like any action movie, T2 has corny lines, but the story structure and set pieces are flawless and groundbreaking. And ya can't say that about T3.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 11:38 p.m. CST

    I thought "The Rock" was suppose to be up

    by ewokstew

    for this a couple of years back? What happened? Vin Diesel I can deal with. I'm not so sure about McG, though.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 11:46 p.m. CST

    T3

    by jsm1978

    When I saw it in the theater, I could not stop smiling during the scene where the female terminator was driving the firetruck and smashing Arnold into everything with the ladder. It wasn't a great movie, and a definite departure from the others, but it wasn't terrible. I liked Nick Stahl as John, much better than Furlong. He made me want the T1000 to kill John.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:19 a.m. CST

    T3 WAS GREAT

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    at sucking

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:31 a.m. CST

    T3 was a fucking joke

    by Neo Zeed

    It was one long, silly, non suspenseful chase flick in which the only saving grace was the ending. However T4 might be interesting by dealing with the future war. It's sad that with T3 this once badass franchise has now dipped into Planet of the Apes territory (with the ridiculous sequels & continuity). But hey now that we are here I guess it could be fun. McG knows special effects. He produces Supernatural for the CW so he might make it dark (He's also trying to prove he's not a total goofball so maybe this'll be his chance). The James Cameron mark of quality is long gone, so whatever they wanna do is all good with me.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Just use ROBERT PATRICK again! NO MORE NEW ONES!

    by GibsonUSA

    It's stupid that we need a new Terminator model...it's like the 90s Batman movies needing a new pair of villians every time.<BR><BR> This is the BEGINNING of the future war...just use the T-800!!....and later on the T-1000 with Robert Patrick....it would be a cool link back to T2 after changing John Connors and everyone else.<BR><BR> So yeah, just use the old Terminators! Get Vin Diesel and The Rock, but make them human soldiers.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST

    I thought T3 actually held up as almost as good as T2

    by JacksParasites

    I agree w/ veebeeyes' comment about the inexplicableness of the T-X controlling the cars, but it was actually a good car chase scene. And I'm usually a very harsh critic of car chase scenes. Also, Nick Stahl was awesome casting, Kristanna Loken was sufficiently menacing, & I loved the ending. I think the heart of the movie is about what John says to Kate in the van about: what if you knew you were going to do the most important thing in human history, but it'd mean many people would die? John Connor can only achieve his great heroic destiny if Judgment Day occurs. Otherwise, he's just a loser drifter...and that sucks. I also liked the pilot to The Sarah Connor Chronicles. I thought it'd be a disaster, but was pleasantly surprised it didn't suck.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1 a.m. CST

    Diesel human vs Diesel Termintor

    by aboriginal

    Gotta go old school and T-100 types.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:01 a.m. CST

    more t-000's.

    by LarryTheCableGuy

    and a t 500 would be cool.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:02 a.m. CST

    T4

    by Maegnarval

    Would be cool to just get a bunch of action stars together to play terminators. Sort of like getting a bunch of comedians to do something like "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World". So in that case get, Van Damme, Vin Diesel, Sylvester stallone, arnold schwarzenegger, Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson, Hulk Hogan, Tyler Mane, etc. to play terminators!

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST

    I cant see the rock playing

    by huggerorange

    I cant see the rock playing a terminator...he looks like rob schneider too much !!They should definately use vin diesel but another good choice-even though I didnt like the marine that much jon cena would be a good terminator, how could they overlook him?

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:13 a.m. CST

    They should pay Arnold for the right to mo-cap his face

    by Neo Zeed

    Do we really need to pay Vin Diesel to not talk and shoot crap. Who cares about having a new Terminator? The main characters should be John Connor and his army fighting the robots. If they need a star...Just pay Arnold to motion capture his face, then CGI-it over an army of stuntmen. They could record a couple of Arnold soundbites and call it a day. Arnold could then donate the money to charity of his choice, buy a new Bowflex, or whatever.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:15 a.m. CST

    I've said it before...

    by VegasRon

    ...and I'll say it again, T3 is equal to or better than T2. T2's actual story besides the basic premise wasn't very good, and the script was downright horrible. Hackneyed comes to mind. The ending scene with arnie giving the thumb's up while being lowered into the liquid mag-muh encapsulated everything that was wrong with it. Groundbreaking special effects and great directing aside. With that said, fuck McG, though i'm down with Diesel playing a freedom fighter or a terminator.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Less about how much you love/hate T3 and more on topic

    by robzass

    This is McG and Vin Diesel! There is no way this won't suck. That is a guaranteed suck fest.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Christ on a bike, please God NO !

    by 2Sheds

    Hello God, its 2sheds, i know its been too long but you get busy and....well y'know. I hate to come with a request first off, but could you put a stop to any possibility of Vin Diesel being the Terminator, oh and world peace too, thank you.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:27 a.m. CST

    The Biomind

    by DocPazuzu

    Ron Jeremy actually played the equivalent of the Kyle Reese character in the porno parody The Penetrator. The only way he can save the future is if he has sex with Angela Summers before the Penetrator does. <p> Although I have no first hand knowledge of this film. Nope, not at all. Er..

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:47 a.m. CST

    the guy who directed 28 Weeks Later...

    by jub3i

    wouldn't be bad either. his visual flair and aerial shots would do the battle of the machines rather well, i think...

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Reese being sent back in time by JC in the future...

    by Zardoz

    was supposed to be in the film, but got cut due to budget and run time concerns. Cameron has said it was one of the hardest cuts to the script for T2 that he had to make. It was a really great scene, that really connected T1 and T2. If they're smart, they'll steal that scene back for T4 or the TV show...

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:54 a.m. CST

    John Cena?? More like Steve Austin.

    by GibsonUSA

    Cena hasnt proven anything, he's too new and unliked.<BR><BR> Steve Austin would make a badass looking Terminator.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Yeah, T2: 3D at U Hollywood does kick ass!

    by Zardoz

    And it was directed by JC, too! I love it at the end when T-1,000,000 bursts into 3D ice-crystals at the end, and then your seats drop and the whole audience is sprayed with icey-mist! So nice and refreshing on a hot Summer day! That was the real sequel to T2! Go see it if you can...

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:56 a.m. CST

    The endoskelton is is iconic enough

    by Neo Zeed

    They don't need a star. I don't hate Vin, but he's no Arnold. Also T3 sucked. It was wall to wall, mindnumbingly generic action. No attempt to be anything but the transitional link towards the post-Judgement Day franchise. On that note mission accomplished. However as a film? We're talking strictly AVP level at best. On a side note...The Terminatrix was a T-1000 rip with a fucking blender attachment/cannon arm. You wait over a decade to see what they come up with to top the T-1000 and that was it? Even if you like T3, you gotta admit that was some lazy shit right there.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Wow, exactly the same rumors from Terminator 3!

    by DerLanghaarige

    McG is directing and Vin Diesel plays a Terminator. I've heard it all before...

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 2 a.m. CST

    Does Skynet really have so many different human shapes?

    by GibsonUSA

    I had always thought that, say, for the T-800, they just mass produced a bunch of robots that looked like Arnold and for the T-1000 a bunch of Robert Patricks. I always imagined a scene where a whole bunch of Robert Patricks walk into the room and begin morphing at the same time.<BR> <BR> Because I had always thought Terminators were assembly line, it didnt make sense for a robot with a new face every single time. A bunch of Arnolds is enough, rather than 10 different actors playing 10 different Terminators. To me thats dumb.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 2:16 a.m. CST

    'T-4 T-Furious' with Paul Walker as Kyle Reese

    by pokadoo

    The film starts in Tokyo, with an angry young drift racer named John Conner...

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Vin Diesel as a resistance fighter, yeah

    by prbt

    In 'Pitch Black' mode, he'd be great. McG... I don't remember the direction in the Charlie's Angels films as *horrible*, was the truth too bad for me to remember it correctly? <p> I hope whoever wrote T3 is back for T4; I much prefer T3 over T2, (which I find like an overblown Aerosmith video).

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Terminator Forever or, Terminator Xtreme

    by GibsonUSA

    The X in Xtreme has to be huge and in spraypaint font. Vin Diesel as the T-Extreme jumps in the sir taking down soldiers with his Xtreme boomerang, only to be defeated by John Conner and his rocket-powered rollerskates. Directed by Michael Bay.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 3:06 a.m. CST

    I completely agree with Quint

    by photoboy

    I read the novelization of T2 as well and would like to see that chunk set in the future on the big screen.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Is McG Scottish?

    by BenBraddock

    "If it's not Scottish, it's crap." So he's not Scottish, then

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Cameron

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Cameron was the Terminator series, take him out and you're left with moneymen trying to make a fast buck. T3 was a completely average action film, the first two were masterpieces. Cameron concentrated on story and performance amidst the carnage, which by the way is pretty much the best on screen carnage ever. Let it die. There's nothing worse than a great film (or two) being tainted by mediocre sequels.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 3:47 a.m. CST

    please stop the terminator franchize

    by angrykirby.tk

    you have 3 movies that dont suck. stop pushing so hard to kill it. let it be done. please.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Fucking McG

    by Madines Sideshed

    Keep this guy away from the movie; it will be a turd on a plate making T3 look like T2. Quint's suggestion of Vin as a fighter would work for me, can't see him as a terminator though. I'd sooner see the whole thing abandoned though.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Absolutely

    by pax256

    Although I think for it to be a terminator movie they need Arnie in there and omnipresent somehow. CGI if need be. But better it would be for a balls to the wall genocide where humans are dropping like flies slaughtered like pigs in huge dens for quick termination on a large scale to maximize some evil machine efficiency. They should portray it along with mass famine and deaths from starvation and disease which would obviously be the result post nukes. Make it a hard R. As hard an R as you can. I wanna shit my pants when I see the machines squash us like bugs by the tens of millions. Make me want the John Connor rebellion fight more than anything. Delve deep into our psyche and fear of a machine run world that has absolutely no need for us at all. Dont be shy with this one Hollywood.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 5:55 a.m. CST

    I liked T3. Thought the ending was great

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    Go for it! :)

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 6:09 a.m. CST

    I could see this work

    by Rei-Ginsei

    If they set it in the future and had John Connor lead a crack team on a suicide mission to break into Skynet and access the time machine. They'd have to include a tearful good-bye between John and Kyle before he goes through and end it with the Arny terminator whacking John as the time machine blows up (I only saw T3 once, but I'm pretty sure Arny said that he killed John, right?)

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 6:25 a.m. CST

    lost the street cred to be called 'McG'

    by Diagnostic

    and I now claim this name for my own.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Did they even watch the first movie?

    by inmate347

    "The 600 series had rubber skin, we spotted them easy" If you're going to cast a new terminator, why not use that as a jumping off point? New Terminator - Vincent D'Onofrio (anyone that has seen The Salton Sea knows he can pull off a rubber prosthetic) Director - Paul Greengrass (his intimate style is a perfect match for Cameron's vision of the war)

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 6:48 a.m. CST

    inmate347

    by TheNorthlander

    They're not gonna go for Cameron's vision of the war or matching continuity. They're gonna go for whatever they think will sell more tickets and tie-ins, and people buy crap because as we all know a person might be smart but people are always gonna be stupid.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Don't get me wrong...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...I enjoy T2 a lot, but not as much as I went nuts for it back in 1991. It's weird - every time I watch it, it seems to fall apart just a little bit more. It's really a sprawling great mess, albeit a very enjoyable one as opposed to, say, POTC. <p> I also must say that I enjoyed T3 much more than I like to admit (the car chase and the downbeat ending are fantastic). However, I have no illusions about T3 being a better movie than T2 and I fucking HATE that sneer Loken has at times in the film. <p> As far as I'm concerned T1 blows both of them (yes, even T2) right out of the water, but I can't shake the feeling that I ought to like T2 more than I do these days. <p> Anyone else feel the same way?

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 7:03 a.m. CST

    They should avoid having another bulked up...

    by rbatty024

    Terminator. Go for a kid or a teenager, like in Screamers. It's a robot so the muscles are just for show anyway.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Mc G?!!

    by RockLobster800

    Jesus Christ when are people gonna stop hiring that guy? Name one good film he's done? C'mon Hollywood, nem it to me...oh thats right, he hasnt DONE ONE!!

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 7:06 a.m. CST

    The problem w. T3 is the same as the starwars prequels.

    by TheNorthlander

    It breaks the continuity set up in T1 and T2. The same goes for AVP. That's why being entertaining they might be if you look at them simply as action movies, they don't work on a deeper level.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Doc. I feel the same way about the first.

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    The poor stop motion is pretty awful looking now. Its still a classic, for sure...but the shines worn off. It has 80's written all over it. T2 has a place in heart for all time. But I did watch it on acid in 91 for the first time, and it is one of the most intense experieces of my life lol! I was actully experiencing everything Sarah Connor does in her dream! I fell off my chair when the shockwave hit lol! I dont think I was ever right after that, come to think of it :)

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Re: That's why being entertaining they might be

    by TheNorthlander

    Gotta love that sentence structure. You guys know what I meant though.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Red dots on FOX shows

    by salinacj

    Not to thread jack or anything, but has anyone else noticed the red dots that who up for a few seconds during the shows on FOX? To me they look like terminator eyes. Maybe a very early campaign for the new Terminator show that (I think at least) is going to be on fox sometime???

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Robocop vs Terminator!

    by Knuckleduster

    Look, the Robocop franchise is fucked, the Terminator franchise is certainly lacking, so do Frank Miller's Robocop vs Terminator. It's better than it sounds, and Frank is quite popular these days. Read the mini-series. It would make a hell of a movie.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by DocPazuzu

    Thanks for the heads up. I've dealt with it.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 8:12 a.m. CST

    50/50 Shot. Could be good, or ok....

    by wowsucks

    Wonders why all the T100’s smells like bengay. No wonder the dogs can all sniff them out so well. Great so the whole 4th movie will be Jon walking around asking, are you my daddy? Would you like to be? Creepy.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 8:24 a.m. CST

    two hours of radioative L.A.

    by ironic_name

    nothing will happen for another 10,000 years.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 8:26 a.m. CST

    only problem T3 had it was to damn short

    by bigdrawz

    m

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST

    McG for T4? WHAT IN FOUCKS NAME??!?!?!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Is the whole world gone mad????

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9 a.m. CST

    T3 better than T2?

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Come on guys, look at the quality of the filmmaking, screenwriting and ideas in T2 and then take a long hard look at T3. The canal chase in T2 is better than the whole of T3. Sometimes familiarity breeds contempt.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST

    DocPazuzu is right

    by Butts McCracken

    T2 just doesn't hold up as well as it should. For me, Cameron just broke too many of his own rules that he established himself in T1 that it just feels more like a film the repair his career after The Abyss tanked at the Box Office than a meaningful continuation of the Terminator story. For example, in T1 the Terminator was identified by police as a serial killer who kills women named Sarah Conner (as she saw on the TV in the restaurant). In T2, the police show her photos of the Terminator (one of which taken on the night when he raided the police station just to kill her) and then ask her WHERE HE IS (???). Cops in the movies may be dumb, but this is asking-Laurie-Strode-if-she-knows-where-Michael-Meyers-lives dumb.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Problem with all films these days

    by DannyOcean01

    With improvements across film depts and the the rise of digital it's hard for films not to look slick, even when they're going for more of a pared down look.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST

    THE BAYIFYING OF HOLLYWOOD MARCHES ON!!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Instead of a visionary director who can take the original concepts from T1, McG will make a Transformers-like robot slamfest with no intelligence whatsoever. But you people deserve nothing better, I say. For anyone who actually bought a ticket to see Flames On Optimus: The Movie, you all deserve to have McG's Terminator because you're all mindless tools in the Michael Bay shed!!!!!<p> Good morning!

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST

    T1 WAS GREAT BECAUSE OF MICHAEL BIEHN

    by BringingSexyBack

    His acting performance made the movie. His is one of the most underrated characters ever. He could have been Cameron's DeNiro but James moved on and Biehn was left to do Christian End Times movies, which really sucks man.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:46 a.m. CST

    LOST JARV: I'VE BEEN WATCHING TOP CHEF

    by BringingSexyBack

    which ended last night with the despicable cocksucker Hung winning the competition. I'm so mad I can fuck a horse!!!!<p> Anyway the renuion show will be on next week and I can't wait for the other cheftestants to rape his ass for his shitty behavior. <p> BTW it feels good to be able to type FUCK SHIT ASSHOLE here at AICN. You can't do that on the Bravo message boards, the fuckers. Thank you Harry!!!

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST

    LEFT VS RIGHT DING DONGS?

    by BringingSexyBack

    I hope Mitt Romney wins the Presidency. Nothing like a Mormon in office to unite the Left and Right, and bring Christ the Savior to earth for the final apocalypse. Jews and Hindus repent!!!

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:51 a.m. CST

    With the excpetion of Paul GreenGrass

    by emeraldboy

    there are very few great action directors left. Cameron is one. Mctiernan was another. why did this site not cover the news that mctiernan has gone to jail. odd that. Stephen Sommers has vanished of the face of the earth. Simon west, the guy behind tomb raider, I hated those movies. Martin Campbell, he is agood action director. But non of the above seem to get work easily.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Vin Diesal would be better than The Rock

    by Rupee88

    but either will be just doing a bad Arnold impression, most likely. That'd be a tough role to step into.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST

    You don't needs a start for the terminator

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    You need a star for John Connor or you need a Kyle Reese. Biehn is awesome, but too old now. You need a look alike who can act. I can't believe I'm suggesting this, but maybe we should give Paul Walker another chance. Give Arnold a cameo, but just a cameo. How about Clive Owen as JC if he can ditch the accent.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:57 a.m. CST

    This is the final nail in the coffin

    by Faust_8

    Way to kill a good franchise, just like idiots did with The Crow.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:57 a.m. CST

    McG sucks

    by Faust_8

    hack

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST

    why no del toro/lovecraft story?

    by Shigeru

    you'd think that'd be cool news.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST

    star

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    dammit

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST

    star

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    dammit

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Terminator 3 must have been an awful movie

    by MontyPigeon

    Because I can't even remember anything about it. I know I watched it, but I have no idea what the story was or who was in it. Maybe its a gem because I've never known any film do that to me before. I even thought when I saw the words Terminator 4 - "What happened to Terminator 3?" My mind has blanked it from movie history for some reason. T4 will go the same way.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Jim Cameron

    by MatDGZ

    Is the only person on the planet who can direct a Terminator movie. Period. If I was in a position of power, i wouldn't even let Peter Jackson, Ridley Scott or The Beard direct a Terminator movie. Its Cameron's world and only he can bring it to life. The reason we loved the Terminator flicks is because Cameron KNEW them and and everything that they were made of. Other filmmakers do not.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Yeah, I cant remember anything about T3 except...

    by Thworldisyours1

    The part where the female Terminator makes her breasts bigger and the part where Arnold is shooting a machine gun out of a casket... And I remember the ending being really anticlimatic (the female Terminator dies too easily and Arnold's heel turn is too short)... That's pretty much it... And wait, there's people out there that DON'T like T2??????? Wow...

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 11:23 a.m. CST

    no.

    by palewook

    just no.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST

    T3 was just an exercise in phony nostalgia

    by Pound Sand

    I saw that movie, and not as a fanboy, but just because it was hot outside. Totally underwhelming and unmemorable. Thinking back, I can remember the big truck with Arnold hanging off of it, and how I thought it was interesting how heavy a terminator was. That's it. It was kind of a shaggy dog story, built from the ground up to satisfy the underwhelming finale. And the finale itself was created just to allow for a sequel. Although it was billed as the third T, it was really more of a middle act. So if there is really going to be a T4, then make it a Final. Finish it. No more Deux ex Machina, no time travel, no exoskeleton parts under lock and key. Make it the real finale, and I'll be there.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Terminator 3? There was a Terminator 3?

    by BringingSexyBack

    When?

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:25 p.m. CST

    McTerminator

    by Cobbio

    I really, really didn't like T3. Tonally it completely lost contact with its two predecessors, Nick Stahl was miscast as John Connor (though the horrible, horrible script could've limited him too), the action was bloodless eye candy instead of dramatic, face-smashing carnage, and the story was boring.<p> Also, based on Kristanna Loken's post-Terminator career, does anyone think she was convincing or even interesting? The answer is, no she wasn't. She was wooden, not steely eyed and brutal the way a terminator needs to be. She did her best, which I give her credit for, but boy did Mostow blow the character flow of the story. All the thoughtful, kickass drama Cameron brought to the table went farting out the window. Like many others here, I choose to ignore the third film and pretend what I saw never happened.<p> If a "Terminator 4" happens, however, I guess I'll have to remember events in T3 and go from there. I think McG is quite talented at directing mindless action sequences involving scantily clad hotties, but a war of machines hellbent on wiping out the the last remnants of humanity? Nah. He'll butcher the story. He'll McCheese it to fucking death and make a film as forgettable as T3.<p> If I could be so bold, here are suggestions for other directors more deserving of a shot at T4: Guillermo del Toro, The Wachowski Brothers, and Alfonso Cuaron. T4 requires a director with brains, with a sense of how to handle epic drama, and an R-rated approach to blood-splattering action sequences. McG has none of these qualifications so I hope the studio rejects his application. I really do.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    T4? Hmm.

    by palimpsest

    Give the job to Edgar Wright. And get Jonah Lomu to play the Terminator.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Rogen Mania

    by Savio

    At this rate, Seth Rogen plays the terminator and Jonah hill replaces Furlong.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Though I quite like the Paul Walker idea.

    by palimpsest

    Seriously. RUNNING SCARED was a great acting debut. Let's not have him fade back into the pretty boy roles.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    McG???

    by MrJJonz

    Another one to add to the list with Anderson, Bay, Snyder . . . all make absolute shite

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    If Jim Cameron Aint Involved......

    by The Funk

    it aint worth shit. Didnt they learn that with T3? McG? Might well be Paul WS Anderson or Brett Ratner. Not pleased with this news at all.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    where is CHICKEN GEORGE?

    by Sir Loin

    His epic, mocking post about McG a few years back (Charlie's Angels period) was one of the funniest things I've ever read on AICN.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Isn't ChickenGeorge overdue...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...for an "all hail McG!!!" post?

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    The best part about McG is...

    by shitstorm23

    He is a no-talent, must know someone in the business, asshole that can't direct or produce shit. I think it's great that no one in the talkback can even say one good thing about him. Of all these talkbackers, you'd think ONE would either like him or just not mind him as a director, but no. So, why does he get jobs?

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Terminator 3 Made Me Hate Movies

    by Saluki

    Inventive ending or not, the sum didn't make up for the whole. It's cute that T2 still hasn't been topped as an action movie 16 years later. The Matrix came close, but everything else just... Can't... Quite... Make it.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Saluki

    by kwisatzhaderach

    T2 and the action sequences in True Lies remain unrivalled.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Actually, I try to ignore T2...

    by WONKABAR

    every one of the complaints I've seen against T3 I think applies more to T2. It's soft, breezy, Conner is mis-cast (Furlong sucked and he was the wrong age). Arnie was going strictly for laughs. It's hardly gritty, in fact, I would call it "slick"...maybe even polished and family-friendly. It's basically a PG-13 Terminator. At least T3 had the balls to let the war happen (duh, if it didn't how could Reese come back to birth Conner. A paradox people seem to overlook with T2). How could it not have the same dread of the first flick when it actually follows through with the promise of "there's a storm coming" with nukes going off all over the planet at the end? At least there's a hint of danger and indifference in Schwarzenegger's performance. He's not just a big toy, you can see how he could still be the same killing-machine from the first film. Unlike T2 where I just felt like I was watching Schwarzenegger doing "Schwarzenegger". I was seriously half-expecting him to start singing "take out the papers and the trash" or maybe even dance or put on a dress in that film. Seriously, Cameron got too cute (it's a wonder how it managed an R) and stopping judgment-day was sentimental bullshit that didn't even add up anyway. Really, the first Terminator was a film that shouldn't have even had sequel in the first place. In a lot of ways I thought T3 was a better second film. First of all Conner is the right age. Second, twenty years later with the internet...it enabled Reese's words in the car about "hooked into everything"...like, let me put it this way...the nuclear-war/machine takeover always seemed implausible to me. And the second film did little to change that. But the way T3 handled it with the military/web-virus etc. I really bought that idea of us being in a future that the 84 film tried to explain. In many ways it seemed more like a Cameron script than T2 did. Normally he's so good at filling in loose-ends of which I thought there were many in the previous film. Yes, there are dumb jokes in T3 (too) but like the liquid-metal (I always thought that was a lame concept and just an excuse to further showcase the breakthrough made by THE ABYSS) I felt such things were more of a nod to T2 in an effort to appease fans of that film. Oh and the sunglasses....fuck dude. The only reason the terminator wore that shit was to cover his fucked up eye. Yet two different T models feel they "just gotta have 'em". Lame. Again, that was started by Cameron. Like I said, if you take out the winks and references T2, I think T3 is much more in line with the first flick.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    WONKABAR

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Funny how differnet people see different things. To me the writing, camerawork, production design, staging, FX, music on T2 are on a far superior level to T3 which looks and sounds like a churned out studio product. Can you imagine Cameron putting a sequence in one of his films as lame as the one where that midget Hunter Killer flying thing chases Clare Danes down a corridor? Mostow can't direct action, although I did like Breakdown. Cameron is an action master. The sequences in T2 are staged, executed and edited to perfection. The canal chase remains one of the great, breathless action sequences of all time. There's an urgency to T2 that T3 sorely lacks, and Cameron's screenplay is miles ahead quality-wise. I though Furlong was terrific, a punk kid who slowly realises there is more to life, and the Terminator reversal a neat twist to the character. T3 for me was pretty much an abomination, and more along the lines of a straight to DVD title.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    T2

    by Shaw

    I have to say, does not hold up that well. Hasta la vista baby?

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Stop Freaking Out

    by drhim1

    This movie could be good. The Vin Diesel rummors are flat out wrong. Bashing McG is cool if you're living in 2004, or your mom's basement. He's done some interesting stuff lately.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    I'll have an order of McG. Hold the Diesel

    by eastsidegal

    Vin Diesel isn't doing the movie. definitely. Not doing the movie. And Mostow should be glad that McG is picking up the mantle. At least we won't be stuck in the 80s glam vision of the future that he dished out in T3.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    drhim1

    by kwisatzhaderach

    what interesting stuff?

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by drhim1

    Chuck is great. Best action on TV in a long while. His football movie last year was really good too.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    I won't argue about the action...

    by WONKABAR

    If Cameron had directed T3 (that script) it would have been ten times better. The action in T2 was great, I just thought the script was mushy, sentimental pre-Titanic nonsense and full of holes. I actually like the action in T3, again, despite the fact that it was big-budget film it kind of harkened back to the small-budget roots of the first flick for me anyway. I'll admit there was a lack of urgency. Partly because it was lacking Cameron's skill, but also because there was a "been there-done that"-feel that I think even Cameron would have run into. Really, T3 was a victim of it's own ending. They went to great lengths to set it up exactly like T2 i.e. stopping Judgment-day. So it feels like a retread cuz you think it's going to have the same outcome. Basically, it's fakeout. Cuz what really happens is they fail. So the deflated some of the urgency for a conclusion that wasn't really a conclusion. I can see why so many people had/have a problem with it. It's more just setting up the next film. Pound Sand up above seems to have gotten a similar feeling. T3 seems more like a second-act. If the next one turns out to be good than I think that along with T1 T3 it works as an effective trilogy. I still love the T2 for it's action, I just think it went in a wrong direction story-wise and conceptually. Liquid-metal (Super far-future fantasy and where is teh chip?) Terminator with feelings, sunglasses, 14/15 year old Conner when it's only seven years later, stopping Judgment Day when it creates a paradox, buffed out Sarah, "Hasta la Vista Baby!" etc. I think T3 could gain more appreciation down the road... in the same way Empire did...IF the next movie is done right.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Diesel might actually make a good Terminator

    by Doc_Strange

    His voice always sounded rather monotone and robotic to me so I think he'd definitely be a good fit for a T-850 or T-900, a more advanced version of the Arnold model. However, the Rock is a crap shoot. His line delivery is terrible and I don't know if he can pull off a serious facial expression without being laughed at. He definitely brings more resistance fighter personality moreso than robot cyborg. <p> But the series has taken a nose dive after T3. When you watch T2, the FX are still way better than T3's. In fact they make it a point to show off the FX work in a way that makes T3's FX look more like an afterthought. In order to bring sexy back to the series, they need to go the way of the gritty sci-fi action that we caught glimpses of in the future and center it around the resistance fighter's struggle. There should be A LOT of cussing and swearing and everything should have a used look to it, kind of like OT Star Wars. Oh yeah and a great script would really help with emphasis on character development as well as having some action sequences that we've never seen, plus an all out battle sequence between Terminator army and Resistance army. They also need a director that can really bring the gritty look to the film. I think guys like Joe Carnahan, David Fincher, Danny Boyle, or hell, even James Cameron himself could put it back on the right track.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Diesel Out!!!!!!!!!

    by kcusbuc07

    Confirmed.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST

    doc_strange

    by eastsidegal

    if the point is to re-invent the franchise (which is the thing that gets me excited) they need to avoid cliches like vin diesel and the rock. mcg needs to take a page from nolan's handbook and cast real actors in the movie.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 3:10 p.m. CST

    I also think Vin Diesel would be great...

    by WONKABAR

    maybe the his coolest project since Pitch-Black. But remember if they pick up where T3 left off he won't be a "more advanced" version. This would almost a prequel to the resistance stuff in T1. I recall there were some other flesh-terminators that didn't look like Arnold in that one scene where they busted into the underground base...of course that was a dream, but still.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    sorry about teh typos

    by WONKABAR

    kinda juggling here

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Talking Dinosaur Commandos

    by Shaw

    Good name for a band.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    this franchaise died when

    by emeraldboy

    the company that owned the rights to Terminator sold them to another company by a way of a verbal contract. What Vanja and Cassar did was stupid. Mgm realised to late in the day what had done and decided to get thier franchaise back only to be told, you sold it to us. Its ours and get stuffed.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Yikes!

    by DigitalBeachWar

    such an awful idea. Vin is such an awful actor. i don't think he could even pull off playing a robot.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    John Connor Was NOT the Wrong Age in T2

    by ThunderHesh

    Watch the movie again. Even though T2 was released in '91, the story takes place in '97. The original movie was released in '84 and took place in that same year (besides the scenes set in the future, obviously). John Connor was conceived on one of the nights of the few days that the original movie takes place (in the motel room). John Connor is 13 years old in T2. Do the math.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Actually T2 is set in 1994...

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    Judgement day was in 1997.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    They should go with Roland Kickinger

    by TheNorthlander

    unfortunately, nobody remembers Son of the Beach. But he'd make a perfect young Arnie replica.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Vin Diesel would not work as a Terminator.

    by GibsonUSA

    First, he has too much of a niceguy face. Look at it. He's the kind og guy who looks better when he smiles. We need someone who looks better when he's pissed off...this applied to Arnold and Robert Patrick.<BR><BR> Secondly, everyone is expecting it too much. It's almost too obvious a choice...I'd rather have him in there as a soldier if anything, just so he can be himself and smile/joke around at times. I can't imagine today's Vin Diesel doing a good pissed off robot for two hours. It'd actually look kind of silly.<BR><BR> I think Stone Cold Steve Austin would make an awesome Terminator. He looks 100x better when he's pissed than when he's happy and relaxed. That's the kind of face I think we want.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Hmm.. How about Vinnie Jones instead?

    by TheNorthlander

    I'm just tossing it in there. See where it lands.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Or how about Mr T?

    by TheNorthlander

    Might work.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:08 p.m. CST

    How about McG for director?

    by TheNorthlander

    Oh yeah, they already did that.

  • Oct. 4, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    SHIA LEBEEF AS JOHN CONNOR'S FUCK SLAVE

    by BringingSexyBack

    The future's looking brighter already.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 5:39 a.m. CST

    Didn't even realise

    by meatygoodness

    There was a director called McG. Turns out, there isn't - well, IMDB says there is. But sod it, hardly a reliable source... Director in name only.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 10:31 a.m. CST

    ganymede3010

    by TheNorthlander

    It wasn't Patrick Stewart in T2! It was Jason Patric. Duh.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    re: john mostow delivered

    by eastsidegal

    you have to be kidding. the only movie he's ever made that's worth watching was breakdown. and that was 10 years ago. and he is stuck there. that's why he got kicked off pursuit of happyness. kicked off hancock. and i'm glad he's not coming back to ruin this movie.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    re: john mostow delivered??

    by eastsidegal

    you have to be kidding. the only movie he's ever made that's worth watching was breakdown. and that was 10 years ago. and he is stuck there. that's why he got kicked off pursuit of happyness. kicked off hancock. and i'm glad he's not coming back to ruin this movie.

  • Oct. 5, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    McG(arbage) and Kyle Reese

    by ThunderHesh

    I highly doubt McG(arbage)is in consideration to helm this film. Sounds to me like someone was bored and decided that there wasn't alot of recent talk about this project and decided to stir things up a bit by spreading this rediculous rumor. If it turns out to be true, I want what the producers are smoking to make them believe that McG(arbage) can pull it off. He and Mr. Cameron's names should NEVER be associated with one another, let alone be in the same sentence. McG(arbage) doesn't even qualify to whipe Mr. Cameron's ass for him. Also, if Kyle Reese isn't the "other hero character who looks up to John Connor" then I'm definately not going to support this film being made. It would be such a great way to tie all of the films together.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    T3 corrected Cameron's story fuckup in T2

    by performingmonkey

    That fuck up being that Sarah wouldn't want to stop the war because if she did her son would never have existed. In making Judgment Day inevitable they got around any story problem of that nature. Although John was still dumb enough not to realise that Judgement Day was still gonna happen at some point seeing as he hadn't just disappeared!

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Vin Deisel?

    by metaluna

    Because A) His career needs a jump start from flat lining and B) only wooden actors with a speech impediment can play terminators and C) some shit director is making it and can't cast for toffee? It's a theory folks and I'm sticking to it.

  • Oct. 31, 2007, 8:57 p.m. CST

    I agree. Alex Proyas = T4 saviour

    by Seph_J

    Alex Proyas for T4 Alex Proyas for T4 Alex Proyas for T4 Alex Proyas for T4 Alex Proyas for T4 Alex Proyas for T4 Alex Proyas for T4 Alex Proyas for T4 Alex Proyas for T4 Alex Proyas for T4 Alex Proyas for T4 Alex Proyas for T4 Alex Proyas for T4 Alex Proyas for T4 Alex Proyas for T4 Alex Proyas for T4 Alex Proyas for T4

  • Dec. 5, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    christian bale

    by tha plow

    as john connor?

  • Dec. 6, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    tha plow posts to the wrong thread

    by just pillow talk

    did you save him Orcus?

  • Dec. 7, 2007, 6:19 a.m. CST

    a moment of silence....

    by just pillow talk

  • July 12, 2008, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Vin Diesel as The Terminator? YES!!!

    by Avri Apocalypse

    Wow. I really wish they could get Vin is as the Terminator. I think it'd be the perfect project for him. He's been missing in action for some time now and the films he's done really hasn't cemented his image as the ultimate Hollywood action star. Chronicles would probably be the closest. The Rock really doesn't need T4 on his Resume. He's doing well by himself. Vin on the other hand could use a spice up. Plus he'd be very believable as a bad guy. Even more so that Rocky. Ironically I don't think McG is gonna use any big names or focus on the Terminators as much. Even Christian Bale would have been a cool Terminator. Hell, even a muscular Terminator chick would be cool. -Avri.