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UGO has some JUSTICE LEAGUE spoilers that sound cool!
Hey folks, Harry here - one of the oldest and best Movie bloggers on the web, Patrick Sauriol seems to have a pretty damn good source on George Miller's JUSTICE LEAGUE movie. Over at his Back Row Chatter column - he has a source giving him some really fun scoop on JUSTICE LEAGUE. This is literally the number one script I'd love to read. The rumors have been all over the place, and it feels like... Well... with George Miller at the head of this production, I couldn't be any more excited. Miller has a sense of dynamics and action that's been pent up into the realm of family films for too long. The rumored STORYBOARD comic script for MAD MAX IV was whispered to have some of the most astonishingly intense visuals concieved for a film - and with SUPERMAN, BATMAN, WONDER WOMAN, MARTIAN MANHUNTER, FLASH and GREEN LANTERN - it seems according to Patrick - that a big chunk of the film hinges upon Batman's "REDEYE" - where he kept detailed files on the Leaguers, their identites and their weaknesses - should he ever have to "take them down".
I love this. To find out more, check out Sauriol's Back Row Chatter
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So they're adapting the "Tower of Babel" Storyline?
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Known about these for DAYS.
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that's where I've been - figured late was better than never
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Glad you guys are covering JLA more, all the same.
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Yea or Nay?
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This could be a cool movie but I hope they use someone other than Bale as Batman. They should keep this seperate from Nolan's Batman movies.
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Although that is one great story.
They are doing the OMAC storyline. -
No Bale. No Routh.
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Is it just me, or does anyone else think that any JLA film release is destined to be a HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT.
Unless it features the current Superman actor, and the current Batman actor, it won't be accepted by the general public as "real". If it features any number of 'fight scenes' the budget will be huge, see the X-Men movies for reference. The JLA characters are either established in the audience from old, and frankly bad TV shows, or from the animated shows that have been seen only by the fans.
IMO, if we're lucky, this movie will never end up being produced. If it does get produced, it will make "Catwoman", and "Elektra" look like Spiderman 2.
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...Instead check out Grant Morrison's JLA: NEW WORLD ORDER. It's classic and every Leaguer really gets pushed to the limit (imagine the second half of Superman II with the JLA). No robot fighting crap, homes.
Chickety check fo' yo'self
http://tinyurl.com/2oxagd
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...getting tired of these "news stories" that are in fact just a link to somewhere else with THE STORY?
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...the naked chick from High School Musical as the Wonder Twins...
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From the first "Mission Impossible" movie.
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So perhaps this really is the story they're going with. I'm fascinated by this project. It seems entirely like the kind of thing that us geeks dream of happening, but then ends up in development hell until someone finally pulls the plug. But it's actually going ahead and with an intriguing director at the helm, so that's pretty cool. That said, I'm not ready to proclaim George Miller the greatest thing ever quite yet. I love him for his contribution to the sci-fi and action genres with the Mad Max series and I really like Witches of Eastwick, but the guy hasn't done a whole lot else. For some, the Mad Max series is clearly enough, but I'm still skeptical. Also, I fucking hated "Happy Feet," which I found to be a painfully preposterous attempt to cash in on the momentary popularity of penguins. If all the dreadful musical numbers weren't enough to turn me off, then the forced 'save the penguins' message and the confused statement about the dangers of conformity (so it's bad to conform, unless conformity is the key to saving your fellow people?) was enough to make me lose my lunch. Either way, Miller is an interesting dude. So, for now, I'm waiting, excitedly, for this project to come together. Good or bad, this should be interesting...
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http://tinyurl.com/2r29vq
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Sep 26, 2007 2:06:18 PM CDT
I Posted this yesterday in the Biel for WW talkback.
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Well, the link to the story anyway. Harry, sure you have been busy, but you have minions that can do your dity work.
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I personally think half-animated/half live action digital-rotoscoping/mo-cap is the best technique to employ for adapting comic books to movies. Its really the only way to get around budget/set piece problems and keep everyone from looking rick-diculous in costume... and the costumes could look like they do IN THE COMICS. Hopefully an Avengers feature will be made this way. Classic Avengers, not that grim'n gritty Ultimates crap, the Ultimate universe sucks.
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Just dye her hair black. Come on! It could work!
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bring it on, Miller baby!
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That idiot just lumped three or four different comic storylines into a supposed "synopsis" of the plot.
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What? Wow! Thats the real news, does he have a site back up? Coming Attractions was the shit!
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Sep 26, 2007 2:21:42 PM CDT
That crazy plot was a hoax email sent to Rob Sanchez
by robots in das guys
By a superhero hype boards member, to discredit him. The fact that the guy actually posted it is just ludicrous.
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This sounds like a mix of Brother eye from countdown that Batman Built, and the list of secret ways to take down the JLA he had from Tower of Babel. ONLY problem I have with this being the main crux of the first JLA Movie, is that the comic versions had a build up to it in the series, the leagers had time to go on adventures and defeat villains and save the world before being betrayed by one of their own. So this movie is going to introduce us to the JLA, and then have one of their own turn be the primary cause of their frustrations, in the first movie? I would rather them take it in a direction where the league gets to build itself first..before being backstabbed by it's own members...as intriguing as that storyline is...I would rather them face a real threat rather than themselves...It is early yet , we shall see.
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Good ol' hyperbole. In regards to the article...welcome to two days ago.
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Come on people. HELL YEAH!!
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I hope this project flatlines. Having 2 seperate batmans and supermans is completely ridiculous. I can't believe this is actually happening.
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well you know what I mean...comics...can't keep track of them anymore...
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i cant believe they are actually letting an action visionary like Miller do this dream of a project.
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I am begging you not to rush this thing. Please!! Think about this for a second....Justice League is a movie made for the fans. You might attract a few people here and there that are not into the comics...but, for the most part, you are making a movie out of characters that not EVERYONE may be familiar with. Sure, superman and batman, but after that? The only thing people know about Aquaman, the Green Lanterns, the Flash, Wonderwoman, and the Martian Manhunter are from the cartoons in the past or failed TV shows. Please wait for the current Batman/Superman projects to pan out. Then, put Batman and Superman together first before a Justice League movie. Not everyone knows all the characters from the J.L. but EVERYONE knows who Superman and Batman are. They are ICONIC!!!! Everyone will want to see a Batman/Superman movie, not just the fans. Then, when you've made a BIG draw out of that movie (with Bale and Routh IN them), create a Justice League movie, with Bale and Routh, and people will be more likely to see it because they have a familiarity to the Batman/Superman project. PLEASE for the first time ever keep some continuity! It worked for the animated Batman all the way to Justice League unlimited....it will work in real-life movies too. Please don't ruin such a cool idea for the fans!!!!!
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Let me guess...the Flash makes some poorly-scripted joke about giving the "Redeye" satellite some "Visine."
And what about Aquaman? Ya gots ta have Aquaman!
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...dude, what are you doing? Don't do ANYTHING to distract from our project to get Baird to play Barbarella.
You hear that, Rodriguez? Diora fucking BAIRD.
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Redeye = NOC List...also known as a MacGuffin...otherwise know as lame fucking horse shit...will there be a big 'batman's betrayal' scene and then a 'batman learns a lesson' scene followed by the climaxtic set piece in which order is restored to exactly the state it was before the opening credits?...can't fucking wait :\
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I think the only real way that can work is to have them both take a very very back seat in this movie. I mean Batman can still be the cause of all the problems, but that doesn't mean he has to be front and center does it? If they limit Batmans screen time to say, just in the shadows, and maybe on the jla screens for them to converse with him, again in shadows, he can be there without BEING there...And superman can always be just an effect flying off to go lift something or too busy in metropolis with Kryptonite islands to lift to really contribute to the story..that way the obviousness of the fact that the actors that portray them in their individual movies are not there is less a problem..I feel like the movie should focus on inroducing us to WW, GL, Flash,MM, and whoever else, and establish them as the core JLA, With Supes and Bats as the big gun back-ups who come in from time to time to make sure the world doesn't end...something like that would work for me...
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cant believe some of you fans are complaining about there being more than one Batman film version. look at all the different takes on Bats you can you find in the comics, they can all be enjoyed on different levels.
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but I'm not crazy about the casting. I don't like Biel and I don't like that Routh and maybe Bale are both not in it. Less so Bale just b/c Batman will probably be in-costume the whole time. But the best thing about Warner Bros is they all the DC properties so the possibility of cross-over is great.
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I'm sorry to say that I already have plans for Diora Baird and they're for a very different kind of movie.VERY different.
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Things are lame and confusing enough with that crap non suited Superman on TV. Put Routh and Bale in it. its how you grow a brilliant franchise. The american public is stupid enough as it is they won't understand a different Batman. And don't forget, characters are fictional, you don't have to pay them so load it up with good ones and then get cheaper actors.
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So basically, the JLA movie is going to be a combination of "Tower of Babel" and "The OMAC Project"? And whats the deal with renaming Brother Eye "Red Eye"? It's one thing to rename something if it serves the story, but this seems they changed it just for the sake of changing it....
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it's creepy as hell, and the corpses of films going this route rejected by the public are going to start littering the street soon (mark my words Beowulf is going to BOMB).
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to make Mad Max 4 (without Paul Walker in the lead though, gotta be an Aussie/Kiwi like Eric Bana, Hugh Jackman or Karl Urban.
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good to know, last i heard corona got absorbed by cinescape and then eventually lost track of what happened. Glad he's still around
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at least someone can see what i'm saying ... any chance you work at Warner Brothers?
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This film will be a joke if Bale and Routh aren't in it. OK, I doubt Bale would go near it, but the idea of having three current Superman actors (including Welling) is insane. I think that with Lois & Clark and the much-dragged-out Smallville on TV in recent years, Superman Returns wasn't as novel a prospect to some as it should have been. I think that's why the box office wasn't as high as it deserved to be (although it did slightly better than Batman Begins overall). Personally, I loved SR, and Routh was great. I really want to see a Singer-directed sequel. I can't understand why WB would want to pile all of their top superheroes into one film when they haven't managed to get any solo films other than Supes and Bats off the ground. This JLA movie sounds like a rush job, and are they really looking for complete unknowns for such a massive undertaking? The only thing that would get me hopeful about this is if Routh was in it.
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This has the making of being really bad because there are too many characters. Get Singer to do it, instead of Miller... he can make movies that actually employ many different characters without fucking 'em up too much. Or hey, if you want to rush it, have it turn to shit, bag the Singer idea, drop Miller and get Ratner to do it... that would be...Amazing!
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Mountain smashing, Tidal wave causing, ship sinking super sex between Superman and Wonder Woman. Just like in DK2. Now that will be a real movie!
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....with her father, hulk, playing zeus, brother.
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The league member going bad is wonder woman! So the others have to tie her up with her golden lasso and spank her ass! Now, THAT'S the JLA movie I want to see. And between spanking session supergirl shows some ternderness towards wonder woman. BEST MOVIE EVER!
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That would be teh awesome.
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All I can imagine at this point is montages. First one that introduces all the would-be Leaguers a la the Alex Roth "Worlds Greatest Superheros" and then a second montage with all the superheros getting taken apart via whatever method Batman came up with. Also, let's have Hal Jordan. None of this Jon Stewart nonsense. Or Alan Scott. I'd be down for some Sentinel actions.
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Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman - hooray! So awesome man. I hope it's just like the cartoon. Yeah! There shouldn't be any action or fighting. Just lots of clean fun and good lessons for the kids. Maybe have Flash and Superman race each other. I wonder who would win? Aquaman can talk to the fishies and teach us about the ocean. I just hope Green Lantern doesn't accidently shoot Superman with one of his arrows. That would suck. Superman shouldn't die.
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Give the entire movie an Alex Ross look (with characters that look like adults, not WB teenagers), keep it dramatic and gritty (no humor, no one-liners), and follow with successful storylines of the past (IDENTITY CRISES comes to mind, but that's A LOT of characters...maybe for a future sequel). There's no need to reinvent the wheel. In fact, most of the writing from the old Justice League cartoon was far and away better than many of the recent superhero movies...even the humor was well done and didn't ruin the dramatic quality of the stories. Basically, they need to take the material seriously...no campy humor, no teenage characters, no "name" actors (find some people that look the part, dammit...no Jessica Biel Wonder Woman; the actress should be a woman who LOOKS like an amazon warrior...ditto for the rest of them). We need to FEEL that this is a world where near-gods walk the earth and fly around in peculiar costumes.
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well, that's two votes for Alex Roth styling.
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now that I'm thinking about Alan Scott v. Hal Jordan I would really like to see a JLA vs. JSA movie. And I do recognize that that's just not going to happen. Oh, and also: Red Son.
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With Cg they coudl actually have cool fight scenes and not worry about budget. Make it look like Alex Ross art and we're godo to go.
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I used to read Coming Attractions religiously back in the late 90's. He's one of the originals, and one of the best.
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I wonder if Grant Morrison and Greg Rucka will get any story credit as this script sounds like an amalgalm of The OMAC Project and The Hyperclan arc from JLA. oh yeah and 'Routh for Superman.'
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...or Bale for that matter. The "realistic" Batman of the Bale/Nolan films wouldn't fit in a Justice League film with other characters that, I imagine, will have somewhat colorful costumes and incredible superpowers. I'm with those who think they should hire no-names to play the heroes. Wait, someone here is actually suggesting that Brian Singer would be a good choice to direct a JLA movie?! I imagine it is because he did those X-Men flicks, but what about that mess that was Superman Returns? Anyways, if I were a betting man I'd say that this movie will never be made. If it does get made, then chances are very slim that it will be any good.
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1st movie: The OMAC project
2nd movie: Identity Crises
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I was beginning to wonder if AICN even was going to mention JLA until I saw 2 stories pop up in just 2 days. I really hope they don't have one of the member go rogue and get killed off. These are core members we are talking about. I really think WW should be a more mature amazonian type. Biel is too young. I've got my fingers crossed for this one as I like DC much better than Marvel, so this needs to be much better than X-Men to gain popular opinion as I think all the kids nowadays are more Marvel inclined. I think as long as they don't rush the production of this and are careful with the casting, this has great potential. Fingers crossed.
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...would have to be KINGDOM COME. I don't think any other storyline even comes close to the power of that short series (other than IDENTITY CRISES...call me biased). But who am I kidding...a decent movie like that would get made just about the time Marvel made SECRET WARS.
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George Miller is excellent and it's great that he's finally being given an opportunity like this. But as awesome as the Justice League is, I have to say that Fun Sporty Single Father and Son are a tad awesomer... http://tinyurl.com/2g7hda
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also, whats with all of the jon stewart bashing? granted he was added to the JL cartoon so that the league wasnt populated with an all white cast, but i thought that he was handled really well on the show and was one of the most interesting chracters during its run. i never knew who he was before the show but he became one of my favs as the series progressed.
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Smallville is much better than the atrocious Superman Returns. Smallville Clark actually fights.
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And special. So special in fact, it could reach the excitement of the original release of STAR WARS. And YES, I do believe that. It's just a matter of everything coming together, which CAN happen. --BELIEVE it.
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then your opinion means nothing. The dude had 5 lines and did fuck all. I don't understand how anyone could choose him over Welling who actually has Dialogue, looks like Superman and actually fights.
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Back in the good old days Harry would have posted that rumor and ten more just like it. Those were the days.
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If this thing fails it's gonna screw any chance of a GL, WW, and Flash movie for a while.
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I know they belong to the Superfriends but I always wanted them on the big screen.
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Does this mean we are going to get the infamous scene with Wonder Woman murdering Max Lord /Checkmate? If the Omac Project is going to be used then it would be stupid not to use Max Lord.
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Sep 26, 2007 5:18:28 PM CDT
Lex Luthor will be in it, that you can take ot the bank
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Apparently there is some Superman Rule that requires Luthor to appear in any Superman related property on the big screen, so assume Luthor is the person who will get control of Redeye.
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Before doing JLA. If this movie sucks, (which it most likely will) then you will kill the other heroes individual movies dead.
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I leaked all of this yesterday, flame away if you must but those who recall (Abin Sur?) will hopefully vouch for my authenticity. It looks like my contact was being straight with me then in which case I can tell you with pretty much 100% certainty that the Supes casting is between only two people, noone else is in or will be under consideration. I was originally told that WB were going with Eddie Cibrian, a TV actor who I have not seen anything of, but apparantly "looks the part" for the role of Supes. But I can confirm that the only two guys now in the running are in fact Routh (who is more than likely due to be confirmed late next month) or yep, him again, Tom Welling. Routh is keen to keep his role in the movieverse, welling has a few issues that need to be ironed out before he can accept the role. Cibrian is no longer being considered, don't knwo why, anyone with any info on this please let me know. No loss either way So there you go either we get a repeat performance from Routh (which I really do think how this will land) or get to see Welling fly off into the new territory. As before tak from this what you will.
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WTF is this Redeye shit?
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I was wondering if you had heard anything to confirm or deny what I had been informed? You have my e-mail address so would be really interested to see if this is correct as I have now heard from 2 different sources the exact same thing. Thanks.
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be raping and killing people in this one? Please no Didio JLA.
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Even though he's just human, he can take out every single member of the JLA, hell, any superhero or villain if he was ever really inclined to do so. Batman as a character just has so much complextiy, all the other DC superheroes seem rather bland to me.
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That kind of sucks.
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to quote the article...
"Justice Leage of America is one of the new flicks in development that’s getting a tremendous amount of attention. It’s a comic book lover’s dream come true: they’re not just seven of the most powerful superheroes from the DC universe that decide to team up to fight crime together, the JLA comprises several of the most recognizable and iconic superheroes of all-time. You could make the case that not everyone knows who The Flash or Green Lantern are, and that only those that venture into comic book stores will know who Martian Manhunter is, but show a kid anywhere in the world a drawing of Superman, Batman or Wonder Woman and s/he will know what their names are. The only guy in Marvel’s pantheon of heroes that can probably rank as well known as the holy trinity of DC is Spider-Man."
ok, fuck that.
DC characters outside of superman and batman suck. and batman and superman should NEVER work together.
superman always does what is right, batman does whatever it takes to stop crime. batman will kill a bad guy, superman would not. put them together and you have a huge conflict of interests and ethics. nevermind the fact that superman doesnt need a fucking team. in JLA he's like 1990's michael jordan on a JV high school team. wonderwoman has a lasso that makes you tell the truth and an invisible jet? what a joke. batman can get the truth out of someone just as easily.
green lantern sucks because he's fucking allergic to yellow. he drinks a mountain dew and he's fucked. why the fuck does anyone need to talk to fish Aquaman, you faggot? why do you need the Flash, when superman is just as fast??? its the dumbest idea since making all your superheroes wear women's panties and boots. Martian Man Hunter? why does he hunt martian men by the way? does anyone care?
DC comics really suck. they have 2 great heros and the talent pool drops off sharply from there.
"The only guy in Marvel’s pantheon of heroes that can probably rank as well known as the holy trinity of DC is Spider-Man."
how many marvel characters are featured in movies compared to DC? most people knew who the hulk was before the movie. the X-Men are very well known as well. the idiot who wrote this article is obviously biased.
anyways, JLA is a bad idea. having "other" actors playing familiar characters that actors are currently playing in thier own movies is just plain stupid.
and Jessica Biel is the worst idea yet. what, Alba wasnt available?
give me Captain America, Nick Fury and Thor movies. then the AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!!! so long as the actors in the individual members movies will return for their respective parts, i'm there.... keep in mind that the Avengers also had Spider-Man as a member, and if he was in that movie, bet on a huge blockbuster. -
muddling stuff up. Sign me up. I love Bats as a paranoid booger that as no true trust for Supes. Awesome idea if so. Give me more hidden K!
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not sold on this
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...Face it, Marvel laid out a great plan. Be very patient and produce IRON MAN, THE INCREDIBLE HULK, THOR, ANT-MAN, and CAPTAIN AMERICA first. Sink or swim, there will be fans of each movie and character. Then produce The Avengers, bringing together all the fans and the curious. Not to mention all those who never seen the theatrical release of the movies and only saw them on DVD. And with all the backgrounds are set up for both the heroes and possibly for whatever villains they choose, the will be producing one of the biggest franchise cross-overs of all time. Brilliant way to go.JLA will be bogged down in explanation of nearly every character. Flash runs fast why? Green Lantern got his ring how? Wonder Woman is from what Greek based mythical island? The villain(s) is/are ultimately empowered by Batman?! I bet dollars to hand grenades that they pull a lazy 'overview' narration in the beginning.Avengers will have characters ready to go for the common movie going folk, while JLA will be like Lucy to Desi...a lot of 'splaining to do!
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i cant stress that enough.
michael keaton returns as batman, and yes christopher reeve as superman......
it would have been a great idea to do this movie in 1994 huh? pre-bat nipples and pre super-paralysis.......
fuck.
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...concerning the idea that Bale won't be playing Batman. "Oh, WB! To have anyone other than Bale portray Batman would be crazy!" "Having two different Batmen would confuse the public too much."
BAH! Bale needs to stay as far away from this project as possible. He has stated his disdain for it (as Nolan did as well), and will not be appearing in it. End of story.
As for the public being confused, well...to be blunt: FUCK THE PUBLIC! As many different versions of Batman have been around, in movies, comics, cartoons, action figures, coloring books, etc.... and the public doesn't seem confused as to who Batman is.
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HAH!
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my thoughts exactly. the Avengers wont need exposition. they already will have that in their own series. want to know who everyone is and how they got their powers? watch their previous movies. duh.
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Could superhero crossovers in movies actually happen? That would rule, but not sure what red tape is involved. Seems most studios are willing to work together to pull off potentially profitable flicks nowadays, but I imagine it's too difficult, logistically, to get all the actors to repeat characters. I guess exceptions would have to be made one way or another, and it wouldn't be a bad thing in some cases (i.e. replacing Fantastic Four cast in a cosmic storyline). God, how great would it be to see both DC and Marvel universes begin to evolve and actually crossover on film as they do in comics? I don't think it's an impossible concept. Won't the technology hit a point where esentially any effects-heavy feature can be done relatively cheap? Imagine Avengers with Norton's Hulk, Downey's Iron Man, and whoever plays Thor? Why not have Spidey fight with the X-Men? What the hell are they waiting for? This shit is money in the bank. Even though I didn't like Routh that much, it would just be amazing to see him and Bale actually get the roles. I don't think it'll happen, but if it did, that would give great hope to this whole premise of superhero crossovers in the movies. We'll all be in heaven then. Comic universes and their storylines on film? Simply incorporate any character you want? Could an Inifinty Gauntlet movie actually happen? Ok, I'm going to go jerk it now. Sometimes I just get myself too excited.
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of the kid closing the bag of potato chips without a bag clip? GENIUS! Of course, the cool kids were doing this weeks ago.
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wolverine and spider-man were members of the avengers at one time. you could get norton, downey jr, jackman and mcguire to reprise thier roles then whoever they get for cap and thor? who says they couldnt get all these guys in one movie? simon pegg as antman! there are movies out there with 10 times the star power. so far, comic book movies are ignoring the fact that spidey hangs out with the FF... that alot of these characters are all in New York at the same time as one another. who says the Human Torch cant do a flyby in spider-man 4? its all the same universe right?
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There would be no one getting "confused" with the other guys playing those roles if they went with an older Batman, and a much needed modernized Superman. I know Dwayne is a stretch for many, but for the love of god, Boothe would rule as the Dark Knight, and since they'll NEVER do a DKR flick, why not try going that route?
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I was glad to hear that Welling is possibly back in the mix. I know his acting struggled a bit in Smallville, but the past two seasons he has actually brought it home in my opinion. I would love to see Welling as Supes. Now if they do have Luther, they better bring Michael Rosenbaum for that. He is spot on.
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And could Darksied be behind it?
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AND SAMURAI!
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do the ultimate version. sam jackson all the way.
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If you are the know, who is going for Bats? I wouldn't mind seeing Clooney reprise the role, he is age appropriate and he could help "gay" up the character.
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Superman is a follower not a leader.. He'll do whatever the US goverment tell him to do like invade a country....
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Put in a older Batman kind of DKR, different costume, an older actor like Dennis Quaid, no conflict with Nolan / Bale version then. Would be good to see Routh or Welling though.
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The latest Alex Ross involved project, JUSTICE, was a 12 issues series that involved the theft of JLA's identities from Wayne's computer files. Luthor and Brainiac were in on it, basically fooled earth into beleiving that the villians were heroes, and the JLA had turned on them. Aquaman gets FUCKED up by Brainiac and the JLA basically need the help from the B-list JLA-ers to regain order. The JLA stupidly need the assistance of the fucking Metal Men to make suits of armor, which are basically the Metal Men formed around our favorite JLA-ers. The story starts out GREAT and started sucking wind after issue 7 or 8, but falls very short of anything close to Kingdom Come......which is what this fucking movie NEEDS TO BE. Do a live action or MOCAP Kingdom Come and blow the fucking doors off the movie industry.
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Just wondering; if you used to post all of this dead-on inside info as "MrParker" then why change your user name to post new info ? Why not just keep the same username, and maintain your good reputation from past correct spoilers? Even if you forgot your password, I'm pretty sure that there's a "recover your password" function, so that's not really a valid reason...
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...with folks on the built-in dissonance that would arise from different actors playing Bats and Supes concurrently with Bale and Routh wearing the tights in other films. Of course, if they cast guys who look enough like them and limit their appearances to in-costume screen time, it could work out okay. After having rewatched the whole JL/JLU Animated run on DVD recently, I have to say this movie's got some big shoes to fill in terms of being faithful to the spirit of these icons.
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I have my faith in SpideK's posting that the only two actors up for the Superman role is Brandan Routh and Tom Welling. He's already proven to have inside info in being right about the story's plot. I'm routing for Routh for continuity purposes. All we need is to hope and pray that somehow a miracle happens and Christian Bale gets asked and accepts. Maybe with Routh accepting the role, Bale may become interested. All that would be left is finding a good Wonder Woman and Jessica Biel is NOT the one. Let's keep pushing for Bale on these postings for maybe the WB execs ARE reading all the comments.
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Supes- CGI'd Patrick Warburton
Bats- CGI'd Gregory Peck
WW- CGI'd Linda Carter
Aquaman- CGI'd Bernard Hill (King Theoden)
Green Lantern- CGI'd David Morse
Von Bach- CGI'd Ah-nuld from Pumping Iron
Norman McCay- CGI'd Alex Ross's father
Spectre- CGI'd Michael Caine
Capt Marvel/Billy Batson- CGI'd The Rock
Orion- CGI'd Ernest Borgnine
Magog- ???
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Supes- CGI'd Patrick Warburton
Bats- CGI'd Gregory Peck
WW- CGI'd Linda Carter
Aquaman- CGI'd Bernard Hill (King Theoden)
Green Lantern- CGI'd David Morse
Von Bach- CGI'd Ah-nuld from Pumping Iron
Norman McCay- CGI'd Alex Ross's father
Spectre- CGI'd Michael Caine
Capt Marvel/Billy Batson- CGI'd The Rock
Orion- CGI'd Ernest Borgnine
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Where u been?
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...I've been off the grid. Had an opportunity I couldn't pass up and it kept me hopping for most of the summer. Got to do some traveling, which is always cool, and met some folks I might not otherwise have. Unfortunately, I had to cut it short because of an injury and I've been recovering for the past month or so. Worked out well in that it gave me some make-up time to spend with the family, which is probably why I haven't felt the urge to be online much up 'til now. Good to see not too much has changed around here, though. And good to read from a familiar name.
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Just because Superman stands for Truth, Justice and the American Way does not mean he follows the lead of the American government.
Superman is a symbol of truth and justice for the entire world, even though he embodies the pure, inspiring spirit of the ideal American Way.
And he certainly would not forsake the values instilled in him by Martha and Jonathan Kent to do the bidding of any government.
His never ending battle is fought on behalf of the people of the world, not politicians. He's the Man of Tomorrow because he represents and fights for the hope of a better tomorrow. And that is why he is the world's greatest superhero.
My advice. Don't buy into Frank Miller's perverse depiction of Superman. That's not Clark. That's Miller's cynical portrayal of a super-powered oaf who sacrifices his principles at the behest of a corrupt governemt.
This is not the crusader of justice envisioned by Jerry Siegel or Joe Shuster, nor is it the decent, compassionate and consumate hero perfectly realized by Alan Moore, Grant Morrison and numerous other talented writers who actually respect and understand the character.
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And mistergreen...who the hell can't spell KRYPTONITE?
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That's why Batman will always be the better character--because he's just a man, but he still takes down the boy scout, and maybe teaches him a little something about what it really mean to be a hero. Anyway, there's a reason why Supes is such a gay icon. He is pretty queer.
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Enough with the "Superman is gay" crap. If that's the best thought you can come up with, that's pretty damn sad. Grow up, already.
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I think that from Warner Brothers perspective it is far too soon for a JLA movie. The only characters with their own franchises are Batman and Superman. They could easily make stand-alone pics out of Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, and Green Arrow, and maybe also the Atom, Aquaman, and other characters. As much as I'd like to see a solid JLA movie, it seems like a poor financial move on Warners part. They should maybe do some stand alone pics, with occasional cameos from other DC/JLA heroes, and save a JLA pic for when the characters have made money in solo pics. Maybe a better idea would be a JSA movie. The JSA characters are cool, and would make a great ensemble hero pic with a good script and director, yet practically none of the JSA would support a pic on their own. Just my opinion.
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It had to be said.
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Hope you're feeling better. So what's your opinion on a bionic vagina? Good idea or bad?
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Keaton for Bats!
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I like Miller's version of Superman, to a point. I can see him becoming a government dupe. On the other hand, making Batman out to be a bigger hero than Supes is tenuous. Superman/Clark Kent/Kal-El is all about ideals and self-sacrifice, and in the character's history he has risked his own life and well-being many times, despite his extensive powers. Batman, on the other hand, is seemingly driven more by vengeance than anything else. I don't know that I would make Bats out to be the greater "hero" than Superman. Oh, and as far as this "gay" nonsense goes, all superheroes might be argued that way, given with the tights and musclemen beating up other musclemen. I don't subscribe to that point of view, but it could be argued (and has been). Also, it was Batman who keeps a young, underage "ward" in a cave to act as his "sidekick". Superman, meanwhile, was presumably "getting busy" with Lois Lane, and later with Wonder Woman. Even Frank Miller acknowledges this on some level, since in his two "Dark Knight" series, the only one of the two (Batman and Superman) who gets laid is Superman, when he and Wonder Woman get it on. Just an observation.
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The content of your comment does not merit a response. You obviously have no appreciation or understanding for who Superman truly is as a person, what he fights for as a hero and what he represents as an icon.
Yes, he is from another planet several galaxies and light years away. But he is the ultimate embodiment of human decency and the good that humanity at its best can do.
He's not just a "boy scout." He's a public servant with grand hopes and ideals. And these hopes and ideals he carries every day into his never-ending battle.
Ultimately Superman is not the alien Kal-El. He is Clark - a farmboy raised well by loving parents and taught to always do right by others.
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Sep 26, 2007 10:45:01 PM CDT
To introduce the brother eye storyline now is too soon
by detective_fingerling
A brother eye movie would be a great third movie in a JLA trilogy. Maybe introduce the idea of Bruce shooting the sat into the sky in the second movie after one of the other Leaguers gets put under mind control or something.
To have Batman essentially be the villain right off the bat in the first movie would be stupid. As with Spiderman, by the time the third movie rolls around, there might be some contract disputes and grumblings about who wants to come back and who doesn't. Having the Omacs come in and kick some ass (killing Red Tornado?) in the third movie and leaving the state of the league up in air at the end would be perfect to close a triology of JLA movies. -
You know whats coming with this. DC will let it's classic time tested characters be ravaged and raped by some greedy follywood producers and career focused young actors with no interest other than seeing their mugs on ET night after night. And of course the catch phrase will continue to be " We wanted to keep it as close to the comics as possible. We have tremendous respect for the heros and their history." whatfuckinever! Its all about money and fame and not about staying true to the characters we all have known and loved for years. It's hard enough reading current comics let alone watching bastardized versions in broadcast media. If you use this just call me jaded.
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If this comes out and it is any good, then there are a multitude of possibilities. No reason why each member of the League can go off onto their own movies afterward...but that is if this thing is GOOD...it can't be X3 quality..it needs to top X2 and teh Spidey 2 to garner the correct amount of success. At least, that's how I see it.
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it would be funny if all of Batman's gadgets had silly names like that.
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Created by a canadian with canadian ideals...(
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Fucking postmodern deconstructivist cynical retconning of my beloved superheros. I'm gonna get a drink.
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...being blackmailed by Luthor/Brainiac, whom held the Bottle City of Kandor hostage. Hence, Superman was the...wait for it...ultimate 'tool'. HA!
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Alex Ross has defined the best realistic-looking visual depiction of the Justice League to date. And he understands the characters.
In terms of essence, Ross is excellent in evoking the JL, referencing the classics, the outfits, their physical appearance, especially facial appearance and age (for example, Ross’ Superman is not some 21 year old thin looking kid. He appropriately looks like he’s in his mid 30’s, and has the tall, imposing, massive physique, not to mention natural leader personality—Ross’ Superman is partially Christopher Reeve).
Ross captured the essence of Justice League. So did Bruce Timm and the producers, animators and voice actors for the recent Justice League/ Justice League Unlimited animated series. And everyone from Golden Age, Silver Age artists to modern times, such as Cooke, Dillin/McLaughin, Adams, Staton, Perez, Maguire, Byrne, Hitch, Jimenez, Acuña, Porter, Dell, and others.
There has been some exceptional writing for JLA, and foundations of it with JSA- like from Gardner Fox, and moving forward with the likes of Denny O'Neil, Steve Englehart, and Gerry Conway, Grant Morrison, JM De Matteis, Giffen, Mark Waid, McDuffie, Tucker, Christopher Priest, Busiek and others:
I say YES for the “Redeye” storyline concept. Just make sure the writers nail the essence of the characters, and the team dynamic. And remember that even though it’s a team ensemble, it boils down to the Big Three. The story has to be character-driven, and it has to have heart. Otherwise, it’s just a special-effects nothing.
Movie producers and Miller: I will give you a simple formula for success. You will have the highest-grossing movie of the year if you follow my simple advice—I’m giving you a freebie creative consultation---and this is the advice so take it: Will you PLEASE, PLEASE listen to the FANS and reference the best material found for JLA, especially found in Alex Ross, found Timm’s JL animated? You do that, producers & Miller, and you got yourselves a winner. If not, (everyone say this together with me) we’re gonna TRASH your movie. We’re gonna SCREW you royally!!! We’re giving you advance warning- way in advance.
Ok, I’m calm now. But seriously, GIVE THE FANS WHAT THE FANS WANT. To WB: Reality Check: It’s not your vision of the JLA, IT’S THE FANS’ VISION OF THE JLA. You’re just working for us. We pay YOUR bills. You may hold the copyright and trademark for the characters of JLA, but you don’t own what the JL inspires in us. We’ll pass the judgment on your movie, either yea or nay, either thumbs up or thumbs down, either Best Movie of the Year, or Direct to DVD clearance item at the .99 cent store DVD bin.
I want to see you nail the essence of live-action Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, John Stewart Green Lantern, Aquaman, Hawkman/Hawkgirl and Martian Manhunter.
You got ONE SHOT to get this right for the fans. It’s really easy. LISTEN TO THE FANS. RESPECT US. RESPECT THE JLA FANBASE.
Ok I said it. I say no more.
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actually, no.
its not the fans' vision of the jla, its WB's.. if you don't like that, become a film director, talk to wb about making a movie, and make it.
i agree a group of guys in civvies is a silly choice, but if most fans got "their" movie, it would be a fiasco. ever caught any of that weird live action 'Legends of the Superheroes' thing? appalling. -
But come the fook on, do you think that they give a rat's ass what the fans think? The JLA is pre molded product that can be transferred to another media and make a mint. Built in fan-bases are great, but they want to make it accpetable to the WIDEST possible audience and still not ruin the continunity of the other ongoing projects (Nolan's Bats and Singer's Super) This might be a patchwork of great stories, but it will never please the fans and they don't care. Look at the Fantastic Four... the premier family for Marvel and they turned it into a kids movie and fans byotched but they movie made bank so they did it all over again and brought nothing new. A small part of me wants this to never see the light of day, because it will be such a let down.
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gorilla with a gun, looking for his master's killers. AND RESPECT THE SOURCE MATERIAL!
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OR JL! WB WILL LISTEN TO THIS POST!
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I appreciate your remark; I really do, but try to see the bigger picture as to who owns what. I’ll just add a few more remarks to elaborate.
The WB / DC would be NOTHING if we don’t consume their products. If they produce crap that nobody buys, they’re closed for business. If they produce material that consumers want, they keep their financial empire. They don’t pay us; we pay them.
And I must acknowledge here: to pay my respects, I know many creative professionals at DC. I was relieved to know that many who work at or for DC are fans of the characters and stories themselves. They know what fans want to see because they are fans themselves.
I can tell the difference between the disinterested hacker and the passionate craftsman. Their work is their testament. It speaks for itself. A craftsman knows what we want.
And there IS a way to capture the widest movie audience possible and satisfy the fan base at the same time. Look at Superman: The Movie & Spider-Man 2 as a few examples. Many action/sci-fi/fantasy genre movies have risen up to the occasion of respecting the genre fans and winning the general audience. T2, LOTR Trilogy, ST: Wrath of Khan, Empire, Raiders/Indy, Matrix #1 as prime examples. Any studio, any film director who can appeal to the largest common denominator of audience and appealing to the fan base with a movie they release has earned every cent of their profits.
The moviemakers of the films I mentioned above produced what fans saw in their mind’s eye. They produced the VISION OF THE FANS of what is cool, what was done right and what will be talked about for years.
That is my challenge to you, Mr. Miller and WB. It’s no mystery what we want. We’re not going to accept anything less than a BRILLIANT Justice League movie. You need to give the fans THEIR VISION of the Justice League. Do that and you earn our respect.
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rules
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He will never look good in movies until Hollywood undestands that.
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Fraternity hazing ritual, so I've heard. Without getting grossly descriptive, let's just say it involved pinning down the pledge against his will (face-up), and having the frat's most obese guy to, uhhh, sit on his face in a rather rudely unsanitary way. So, that's what the Dark Knight will do???
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And it somehow strikes me as easier to do. Maybe because the characters aren't weighed down with myth and the 90's angst that still sticks to Leaguers. Batman is all grim and mopey. Wonder Woman has undergone the dark Xena make over. Superman is still kind of boring, always questioning himself, but now a vegetarian. Flash is now a second rate, quip throwing Spider-Man clone. Green Lantern (any of them) tends to be fairly grim because of the trail of bodies his job has left in his wake. Aquaman…like an ugly step-child, best not seen or heard from. Martian Manhunter, no matter what anybody says, is simply no fun whatsoever. Name me ONE classic Martian Manhunter story outside of the Giffen/DeMatteis/McGuire JLA days. DC has over ‘Marvel-ized’ they’re universes main characters.
Now, the JSA on the other hand…practically a clean slate in the angst/drama department. Old fashioned Golden Age heroes who are training their sons and daughters to carry the flame of hope into the next generation. Now THAT is a good mix of old and new that would make a great film or film series. The team has several characters that moviegoers would have no preconceived notions of.Wildcat, Liberty Belle, Hourman and Doctor Mid-Nite can readily be introduced as 1950/60’s era mystery men. No huge or flashy powers, just pure grit and two-fisted justice. They are obviously the parent figures. Hawkman, Power Girl and Mister Terrific are the middle kids. They know the ropes, but are still finding their place in a world growing more dangerous by the day. Then you have the newest recruits…the eyes of the audience…Citizen Steel and Stargirl. Steel’s tragic origin is the general introduction for the viewer. He’s uncertain of himself, and is the angsty/edgy/sarcastic anti-hero execs think we love. Stargirl is the polar opposite. Though she has seen her share of tragedy, she is optimistic, full of life, ever hopeful, always looking forward and incorruptible. A classic girl next-door that you feel like you need to protect, but she just happens to be smarter than you and can take down a charging grizzly without breaking a sweat. She is simply having a blast with this superhero thing.Now introduce a villain that has always been a thorn in the original JSA’s side, like Vandal Savage. He’s thought to be immortal, right? How about instead of world domination, he wants world destruction. Hatching a nefarious plan that even remains unknown to his minions, he captures the Golden Age members of the JSA not to kill…but to have at his side as the world ends and he can finely, hopefully, die. They, the Golden Age JSA members, are his oldest adversaries and perhaps the only people on Earth that know him best. So if you can’t have a friend with you when you die…at least have your greatest enemies. Of course, that’s our cue for the remaining five younger members to band together, solve mysteries, overcome obstacles and wade through personal doubts about themselves and each other on their road to winning the day.Damn…that was easy. Took me just a few minutes to come up with that simple concept. Hmmm, maybe I should look for a more creative job. That involves monkeys and typewriters…I wonder if there is a writing position on BIONIC WOMAN open… I mean, the writers of the pilot had to of been fired by now…right? -
There is no reason for Warner Bros. to listen to the fans. One simple word.TRANSFORMERS.It was a heaping, high helping of crap sandwich that made over 300 million clams domestically. And nearly 700 million world wide. So really, they won't care what we want. They'll just give us a limp pickle of a movie and many here will suck on it and call it a tasty carrot.And no...I have no idea where that analogy came from. And, frankly, I'm scared.
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Did it never occur to you for even a second that the Superman in DKR is a subjective one? How myopic can you get? We see him through fucked-up cynical old Batman's eyes! Which is a fair depiction storywise - you can believe he'd eventually turn into that character - of course that depiction is subjective too. Did the caricatured style (both writing and visuals) not tip you off?
Sorry but even though your other comments are fair and the fanboy sheep did agree with you, it's just one of those trekker type things where people think it needs to be all one way or another, or that things need to be 'definitive' all the time. Or that canon should dictate literal and exclusionary thinking. Han shot first though. ;)
DKR shook things up in a good way, whether you like that depiction personally or not. Should Batman or Supes be that way in every comic henceforth? Of course not. It's like confusing a singer with their song. Neither should the characters always be the 'other' way, or your (plural) preferred way. They would have died off through creative stagnation long ago if that was the case.
It's a GOOD thing to look at Superman as the infallible prototypical superhero, AND also explore the failings of idealism (also as it pertains to serving a country/government) - and who better to use than Superman for that? It's great to explore Superman being an Alien. It's just an extension of the outsider metaphor (and a pretty literal exploration of that as it pertains to the American immigrant thing). It's also wonderful to say he's human at heart. The nature vs. nurture thing - why set ONE side in stone and not argue the other, certainly if you're a creator, but also as a reader? Being such a proto figure means he's ripe for ALL that.
Kal, I know I always seem to come off as arrogant because I'm not articulate enough (though good God an italics function's not too much to ask for), and I'm not trying to just slag you off - and the subject's more to the others not really thinking it through. And even for all the other guys, please settle down with the infantile myopia! Doesn't everyone realise that if these things we love were actually done in such a petty way it'd all fall in a heap? Well, except for the old tried and true comics/magazine rationale that you can recycle the same old crap every three years or so 'cause there's a new batch of 'cattle'/readership. Anyway, making different facets and challenging the idea of what a character really is (without just taking the elseworlds path), is a great thing FOR the 'icons' themselves. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but it needs to be done. Same for the movie depictions. Batman 89 wasn't a well written movie (there was a writer's strike on during production so it wasn't going to improve either), but both it and Begins (ironic that we're talking about Miller's year one in that case) are equally justifiable. 89 for the operatic gothic BAT man where you can easily buy a distorted figure in that twisted distopia (Anton Furst's "hell erupting through the sidewalks"), and also Begins with the more dectective, thinking Neal Adams type batMAN. It's all good.
Geodesigns' "give the fans what they want" is a good example too. Needlessly covering all fans with the same blanket statement. And Geo, every time one of these TBs come up I say this now - I love Ross too (I'd argue though he tends to favour Supes being in his 50s which is great as he lends himself to being the elder statesman (pun!) figuratively speaking), and from what they said on Returns they were going for that, and Ross' artwork was everywhere in the art dept and even literally incorporated into some of the film's concept art - but's that's not what we got, is it?! And why do you mention all the golden and silver age, but basically advocate not looking at that - just through the lens of Dini and Ross? Ca-razy! That's the BEST way to end up generations away from your ideal! Like they tell animators - don't just studdy animation, study REAL LIFE - that's what the earlier animators did. DO you see my 'generation breakdown' thing? I'm sure "the fanbase" covers more than just your philosophy (as in "more things in heaven and earth"). Why do you speak for everyone? You do see that you're ensuring fans will be disappointed don't you?
"One shot" eh? You do realise we're talking film and the land of the remake?!
I'd bring the whole G.I. Joe/Transformers "true fan" farce up, but this post is longwinded enough already! Thanks for listening guys, the few here that do. Hopefully I won't get kneejerk reactions on this. Basically I'm saying hope for the best, and don't let fearing the worst turn you into the three monkeys. -
Boo urns to that. Shit at least make it Guy Gardner. Then we could see the great Batman punch-out on the big screen. That'd be way more entertaining that Jon "No Personality To Speak Of" Stewart. Seriously. The guy's a total non-character.
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and it's not like I didn't check! And Geo it took me so long to type all that, that I didn't see your other stuff, sorry. Point still stands though. Superman the movie and the goofy Luthor would be ripped to SHREDS by fans if it came out now. I love it, but try not to make the mistake of all the fans who saw it as a kid and loved it without a critical eye, but now try to justify it as adults with 'rational' criticism. Hey, some fans love 'ultimate' some hate it. Speaking for all fans using it as a generalisation is a slippery fucking slope and only ends in tears.
And Miller can work his arse off, but as they start shooting in Feb, good luck expecting brilliance! And you know all those DC types eh? But not an equal amount who, like Marvel, see their company as an excuse to milk I.P.?! Every heartless marketing type in the WORLD tells you it's ALL because they love the character! There's a big hole in your theory about movies being for the fans and not overwhelmingly for "everybody else". Girls (they go to movies too y'know, and many don't have rabid comic fan boyfriends dragging them there). Exactly what percentage of tickets do you think were sold to anyone who actually set foot in a comic shop? And what about outside America?
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Seriously I have seen enough undersides of chins to last me a lifetime.
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These are the most recent rumors to hit the net:
UGO: http://tinyurl.com/yrcowy
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To answer your questions best I can. Phoenix - I e-mailed Harry some info which he can choose to post or not. I did say not to post what I sent him until he confirms it his end as I don't want to get people into a load of crap tho, so unless he checks into it, and then chooses to release the info I'm afraid it stays with him and Drew. It's purely to do with casting and who I have heard they are lining up for SM4, I'm sure it will start doing the rounds over the next month or 2, as I have heard it from 2 different sources and I'm not important enough to be the only one they would have mentioned it to. LOUIS - Long, boring story, I had my username and password info stored on a work e-mail address which has been changed and I hadn't logged in since about a year before SM3. I couldn't locate all the log in details so just re-posted with a hotmail account and different username. the Dum Guy - I have been told that Bats is lined up - down to a shortlist of 3 guys - definitely NOT Clooney tho or anyine vaguely resembling Clooney. Bale is definitely NOT doing this either, he will not be playing Bats in this - they are 2 entirly different franchises. I do not know who is going to land the part - sorry, but Murphey and Hall were approached on Gosling's behalf - he has a script - won't be him as Bats tho - should give an idea as to kind of actor WB are after - I think they will go for a Christian Bale 'type' rather than a youngster. Sorry can't help more, I was only told about Supes casting and plot.(which should be confirmed other places pretty soon) I think thisnproject is a HUGE gamble, tho it is pricking people's ears up at Marvel - interested how people respond to a team up film. I don't think it will have an immediate effect on an Avengers film tho, Marvel has their own release slate and strategy which they will more than likely keep to. I am hopefully getting some info on Martian Manhunter (does anyone care?!) and also Flash casting as I have asked for some new stuff, but am probably taking the piss a bit mwith my contact, so we'll see if he/she/they, let me know the goods. Hope that answers some of your questions.
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Don't be surprised to se a whole wave of solo DC hero movies released after JLA. This is literally being used as a jumping point for JLA sequels and new franchises...This is a vehicle for toys and further films..it is actually more cost efficient than releasing solo efforts of characters those outside of comics etc would have even heard of. This is all about the P and L sheets for Xmas 2009 and amking sure that they please the right peopel in the right places, once or if that happens, expect green lights to be flashing all over the place..I am certain that Superman will have another solo project, just like Spiderman and Batman will keep going, there is money to be made, marketing just mucked up SR. Anyone who has any ties or relationship with WB will know there was a large cull within the marketing department post-SR, not just in the States but in the UK as well. Right from the get go, JL is and has been a whole different ball game.
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There wasn't a fuckup in the marketing over SR. THere were fuckups in writing, directing and acting. If the marketing department got fired then that really is shooting the messenger,
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Whatchu know 'bout that? That's right T.I. himself. Hope is fading fast for this movie being any good. First no Bale or to a lesser degree Routh. Add Biel (come the fuck on)as WW now this. Plus this story isn't sounding all that great either. Does one of the League have to go bad? That's just bad writing.
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Ha ha. That was classic!
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By not unmasking Batman, this adds to the mystery of the character... and can give him more of an edge. Mystery can be a powerful element of Batman, as a character. It also makes it all the more incredible when he shows up, on screen. And (in being unmasked)it gives an advantage in that filmmakers won't have to be quite as strict with the actor's age, so a more experienced actor could possibly play even younger.
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...who came up with this one?
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... too bad it'll kill any chance of there being any more Batman films with Chris Nolan or Christian Bale. Rumor has it Nolan read through the JLA script and tossed it on the floor in disgust.
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ANYONE who says BJ is going to be in this, while trying to EXCUSE Singerman's FAILURE is obviously just a Singertologist. Go spout your lies over at Bluetights or some other pro-Singer hack site. Here's a prediction as well: When BJ ISN'T cast, "SpideyK" will come back and say "Well, I heard he WAS going to get cast, but things seemed to have fallen-apart at the last second. Seriously, I was told he WAS going to play Superman. Honestly. Really, I wasn't lying." Asshole.
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to him.
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superman: routh or welling dosen't matter all the character needs is for the actor to be likeable, honest and forthright. both guys seem to be able to project that.
batman: bales stunt double or anyone who can do a bale inpersonation. keep the cowl on at all times and it really shouldn't matter.
wonder woman; biel works for me, any slightly tall, brunette chick with a nice rack will actually do fine in this role imo.
j'onn j'ozz: figure he will be CGI if the whole movie isn't all ready. either way get larry fishburne to do the vice or paint him green.
GL (jon stewart): micheal early from barbershop and sleeper cell. best and only choice imo.
flash: i guess ryan renolds would work if it's wally. i know people hate him but i think seann willian scott would work in the role as well. in any JLA movie without plastic man, the flash would have to be the comic relief anyway. or maybe hayden christensen as wally. god knows he could use the work. :) -
I've ALWAYS connected actor Henry Simmons to GREEN LANTERN, from the first time I saw him on television's N.Y.P.D. BLUE. (I've never doubted that a Justice League flick would include an African-American actor as Green Lantern.) Just listen to the man's voice. And Henry Simmons, as a person, oozes "will power" (an important element of Green Lantern). Seriously, give this man a look for the role. Are you listening, Warner Bros.??? --And I'd like to make it known that, as I predicted (here, at AICN) a long time ago, they are dropping AMERICA from the title. Movies are a world market and it only makes sense. And you know what? Henry Simmons as Green Lantern makes sense, too. (Otherwise, consider him for the Martian Manhunter).
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Always made me think he would be a good "Spawn". If they ever made a DECENT Spawn movie that is. But as John Stewart? Yeah, I can see that.
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Did you see Superman Returns??
I work in Marketing I have to agree that the WB Marketing Dept should be out on there arse!!
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Over at IESB they're saying Clifford Joseph Harris Jr, also known at T.I. has read for Green Lantern/Jon Stewart.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cksewjmh8hM
Can't wait to hear the talkback on this one
I hope they have the foresight to consult Alex Ross on the art direction of this movie. His realist approach to comic art is the most authentic representation of the Justice League. Pick up Mythology: The DC Comics Art of Alex Ross if you want to see what this movie SHOULD look like.'
As for actors - I guess I'll get over the Bale/Routh dismiss if the plot and story rise above my admitted high expectations. There has to be a good reason for all of these heroes to come together for the first time or the movie will never work. They surely just shouldn't be sitting all around, hanging out together as an established team.
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Smallvile sucks balls!!
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Is there a more perfect voice for the Bats? I think not.
I'd also love to see Carl Lumbley as Manhunter - again, his voice work on JLU is perfect for the character.
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I'm pretty sure we all saw Superman Returns. Marketing was the LEAST of that film's problems.
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Bryan Singer picked Routh on the "power" of his nickname ALONE. BJ? Yeah, I bet he did....
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and it wasn't the marketing department's failure to polish a turd that was at fault for that monstrosity. They didn't help- but you could have had god-like performances from them in every aspect of their jobs and the turgid piece of shit would still have struggled.
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Kal, I have nothing to do with DC, just the opposite if anything and I will be the first to say that I did not enjoy SR apart from one scene. I thought it was completely the wrong direction for a re-intro of Superman and never thought Singer should have helmed it. I am merely stating a fact that many WB marketing people were sacked due to the films failure, it's pretty well known. I also thought that Kate Bosworth was appallingly miscast and the introduction of a child into the series when in over 60 years of comic history Superman has never been a father was so clearly a complete awful idea I am still perplexed why this was signed off, it backs the entire series into a corner. i also have absolutely no preference as to who dons the cape, both are fine by me, interestd to see what either can bring to the table this time round. I assure you that it will be one of these guys who gets cast, I jsut think the issues stopping Welling signing which is stalling casting will lead to Routh taking the part. Just an opinion, not a fact. I have posted here about 6 times in 2 years and have always been 100% reliable when I have discussed various info. Harry has my e-mail address and I have privately given scoops to him which he may or may not choose to post.
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I used to watch Mad Max over and over again when I was a kid. So I have hope for George Miller.
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Just to clarify here. I am not saying that it was WB Marketing's fault that SR sunk - it was a terrible script and half the cast were well, miscast. I am just saying that WB pointed the finger at it's Marketing department was mismarketing and misbranding the film..Singer actually went along with this also, pointing the finger at them rather than his bizarre choices for the film. As a result, many WB Marketers were sacked. I am not making a point or an excuse for SR, it's just a fact I thought some may be interested in.
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BJ won't play Superman. Keep spreading that LIE, if it makes you feel better. And saying: "I sent Harry e-mails, but it's not MY fault he doesn't use them. Ever." means DICK. Trying to substantiate your LIES with LIES is not a good tactic to employ, genius.
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Should read, "Marketing Department FOR mis-marketing and mis-branding..."
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Superman Returns was a great film, it wasnt a flash summer movie, it was well thought out and resonated with my childhood memory's of the old Superman films.
You want big pointless, flash bang visuals and zero story, fuck off and watch X-Men 3!
Get over the fact that Smallvile is a pile of steaming shit, aimed at the OC crowd, and that Welling bloke is better suited to playing one of Steve Martins kids than he is Clark Kent!
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seriously- It was dreadful, honestly, truly awful. I don't particularly want flashy visuals, but I don't want a rehash of the Donner films or a Lois Lane so irritating I want to gouge my eyes out, or a loser stalker superman, or a superbrat, or a stupid real estate scam, or a kryptonite continent BEING PICKED UP, or a boring bloody film. SR either had or was all of the above.
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before you start.
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Singerman? Please. Singerman was aimed at the "emo", closeted-homosexuals out there. Those that claim to "like it" exhibit these tendencies, and get "offended" when you point it out. They are EMBARASSED by these feelings, and "lash out" at those that point them out. Plus, to them, being a peeping-tom is A-OK, which means they are perverts as well...
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If you bash Superman Returns with gay refferences - You shouldnt be allowed out in public, and must watch endless runs of Uwe Boll films till you appreciate cinema again!
You say Smallville is Aweswome - fine you can go out in public as long as you wear a helmet!
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I see some of the above posters feel the same way as I do about him as John Stewart. A damn sight better than TI. Alana De La Garza for Wonder Woman would be pefect. Just check her out on Law & Order and you'll see it too.
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It is not always a simple case of "Oh here is a scoop I heard Harry now go post it.." there are other factors which allow or disallow rumours to be put 'out there' for mass consumption or not which is why I couched my email to him as such. I don't care whether it goes on the board but if he can verify what I have been told via e-mail, then we both know that it is a substantiated fact. It is then down to him to post or not, if he has close ties to a particular studio or prouction thenhe may not want o jeapordise that relationship just to titillae his readers (for whom this site is NOT actually made for)I don't really see what you think I have lied about or what I am supposed to be excusing..did you actually read the message I addressed to you? I am not excusing SR's failure, it was a bad film period. I have just stated a well known fact. Could you please not be so hostile and just read what I am saying instead of jumping the gun.
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Singerman Peeps would NEVER have been made. And notice, because you are intelligent enough NOT to "like" Singerman, that AUTOMATICALLY means you say Smallville is "awesome"? Did anyone say that in the last few posts? No? Didn't think so. It takes a REAL asshole to "ignore" the homosexual themes in Singerman. And they know who they are...
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This has disaster written all over it. Check out the latest rumors at iesb. *Spoilers* Wonder Woman kills a bad guy, Superman dies, Wonder Woman allows herself to die so that Superman can be resurrected, Darkseid shows up at the end for a battle, etc. *Spoilers* It's too fucking much for a movie, especially one that will introduce many people to a bunch of these heroes. Warner Bros., I'm afraid, is just looking for a quick buck instead of looking for quality. Sure, they've hired Miller to helm the piece, but they're also pushing this ahead to shoot before the strike. What's more, casting all of the roles with well-known actors is more disastrous. Well-known actors will carry too much baggage into these roles (except for rare cases like Bale, who did really well as Bats). This will be a disaster.
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I enjoyed Superman Returns as did my 4 year old kid!
We are neither closet homos or Emos??
We just enjoy good films!
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Why has NO other site posted the same lies you are? In fact, the OPPOSITE has been true. There is a VERY vocal group at WB that pushed HARD for JLA to replace Singerman Returns From Brokeback Mountain. They KNOW what a turd it was, and would NOT say: "Well, we got rid of the sequel, but let's go ahead and let that personality-devoid 2x4 BJ continue on as Superman." Like I said, I expect a BIG back-peddle from you when BJ DOESN'T get the role.
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Get the fuck out of here. I LOVE how the "defenders" of that shit-fest just can't FATHOM that Singer placed gay imagery in his film. I mean, he's NEVER done that before, right? There was NONE of THAT in the X-Men films. Nuh-uh, no sir! You are in the MINORITY when it comes to anyone "enjoying" that bastardization. But feel free in thinking your lower than average IQ is somehow "superior".
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Jeezus..I have said he MAY NOT get the role, I have said it is between him AND Welling, it is MY opinion that Routh will end up playing Supes (not my preference, not beacuse I am a 'SingerApologist' or 'gay') but because there are problems with the negotiations with Welling. I have stated and it is the case that only Welling and Routh are up for consideration, noone else will be or is being considered now as WB want a quick process with this and some familiartity with the Supes actor who plays him. So it is a 50/50 chance either way. Yes Routh is not the greatest actor, but a good director can tease a good performance out of an average actor. Do you think WB are going to go through the fiasco of auditioning for such a major, iconic part again, only to cast someone that everyone feels was wrong for the part. They are going to play it safe. This site has chosen what they do and do not report quite carefully, and I do not know what every other movie site is saying about JL, all I am telling you is some information told to me over a very nice cup of coffee. Please tell me what you think I have lied about and I can clarify again. Though this seems to be a fruitless discussion.
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...a good comic book movie lives and dies by its villains. I'm really bored of Superman and Batman fights anyway. My ideal JLA movie - individual characters already established, save Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter (I'm going for a NEW FRONTIER kind of thing). Villains are the White Martians - they can shape shift and assume powers of the League, thus spreading mistrust. It's sorta like a WAR OF THE WORLDS thing, they're looking for a new planet to inhabit, after trying Mars and wiping out the native Green Martian population, save J'onn J'onnz. He's the key to defeating 'em, but after losing everything and being teleported to Earth accidentally (taken from the comics) he's lost his memory and is living as a human. It's also the origin of Hal Jordan. I'm debating whether to have Lex Luthor and an Injustice League in there trying to capitalise on the situation.SCENE ONE - Oa, Green Lantern Homeworld. The Guardians of the Universe know "a grave danger comes to Earth" but can't spare the troops. However, they dispatch Abin Sur to appoint a worthy human GL. CUT TO: Hal Jordan - he starts getting weird dreams and the like about the ring and the Guardians of the Universe. It's the start of plot thread for him to sort out his life and become a worthy Green Lantern.CUT TO: Dr Erdel's observatory, Gotham City - he's observing strange occurences on the planet Mars. He uses a new invention for the first time, something unseen unexpectedly is teleported in by it. We just see a shadow, while he has a heart attack. CUT BACK TO: Abin Sur - directly from the books, he crashlands on Earth and dies, but not before passing the ring on to...Lex Luthor? He's also got wind of the invasion and is looking to take over in the aftermath.Meanwhile, Superman and Batman fight crime in Metropolis. They've just started to work together - it's still early days for the superheroes. They're still a little apprehensive of each other. All of this is undone when, back in the Batcave, Batman is attacked by Superman (actually a White Martian), who he manages to get away from/temporarily defeat (Kryptonite or something).The heroes get wind of what's happening - in Themiscarya Princess Diana is appointed by Hippolyta to defend the realm of man, King Arthur of Atlantis and Flash do likewise - Flash is the other already established hero, he needs no introduction, he's just a guy who can run fast. He's the average guy character. The League starts to form, but the White Martians are already turning public opinion against them, and Luthor's Injustice League (Luthor with power suit and Green Lantern ring, Joker, some other more minor, Earth-bound villains) are wreaking havoc. Batman doesn't want to play a part, suspicious of all ultra-powerful heroes after his run-in with the Superman doppelganger. Big moment towards the end when he joins with the League to defend Earth. Main plotlines are search to find the "good Martian" (J'onn J'onnz, who is posing as a Gotham City detective and working with Batman to unravel the mystery) and the true Lantern, Hal Jordan, solve the mystery of the evil duplicate heroes and defeat Luthor and the other villains. The League discover way to defeat White Martians towards the end, but they're actually one organism (like Marvel's Impossible Man), they form into one being - Starro the Conqueror-esque! NEW FRONTIER-inspired conclusion, Hal and Martian Manhunter finally come into their own, Martians and Injustice League defeated, JLA formed. Chris Rock as Batman.
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Its totally like a commentary on the patriot act and the dangers of 1984 'big brother' with batman spying on the leaguers...... THIS IS SO RELEVANT TO TODAY!!! My guess is its Batman that turns on the leaguers... makes sense cause he has all their weaknesses. As for the 'empire' twist ending... my guess is Wonderwoman and Supes will be fighting on some precipice and wonderwoman will scream 'SUPERMAN, I AM YOUR FATHER!'
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I'll agree that SR was a piece of shit, but what's up with all the reference to gay imagery? You can pick out gay imagery in any superhero movie. Try being a little more relevant. You may not have said so directly, but sounds like you're homophobic. Even if you're not, go fuck yourself. That goes for all of you who use gay slurs or terminology in these talkbacks. Time to get over that bullshit and show some fucking respect for the gay community. You sound like children. I know this is a place to vent, and you don't want to be PC, but shit, are gay slurs more acceptable than racial ones? No, they're not. You deserve to be chastised for using them, ignorant asshole motherfuckers.
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There's a reason why on college campuses, street corners, and almost everywhere you look people are wearing those green lantern t-shirts around. Its because he freakin rules!
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So, is the story line with the "white martians" going to be the one they go with. That is the only one I've read about on the internets.
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Shut the fuck up, you whiney little cunt. "Oh, won't someone PLEASE think of the gay community??". Just because Singer is gay, and INJECTS it into ALL of his film, we should give it a "pass" when he BASTARDIZES a character with 70 years of history? Do you think you are making yourself a "better" person by turning a blind eye, then going on childish, obscenity-laden tirades when someone points out the obvious? Fuck YOU, you ignorant piece of shit. It's a common ploy for those with NOTHING to say to resort to "labeling" and name-calling. Go play "hero" somewhere else, dink.
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Forget JLA, I want to know more about Mad Max 4? Are you saying the script for the potential movie is being trned into a comic book? If so, bad ass!
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claim that SR was made for thoughtful people, implying that someone's disappointment means they have no brains for anything beyond wiz-bang action. Of course I want my Superman movies to have good action, having read the comics since childhood. I also want them to have a smart plot and good acting. SR had none of these. Not that the actors are bad themselves, but they were either miscast or got lost in the direction they received (i.e. "imitate Gene Hackman" and "do your best Christopher Reeve impression).
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I don't think it's worth getting that worked up about. I thought SR wasn't a bad movie, but it definitely was very sub par to what it could have and should have been. I am really hoping Welling gets the job on JL. Routh isn't bad as Supes, but since Bale is out, why make the continuity anymore confusing by having Routh in it. Sorry to all the Smallville haters, but I think Welling really has stepped up his abilities the past two seasons and would make a great Supes.
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Then Warner is shooting themselves in the foot. They'll confuse the general movie-going audience. They should do it animated in some way, preferably mo-capped; that way they can shoot the performances quickly and efficiently and then be able to work it all out digitally afterward. What's more, motion capture would potentially lend the film a stylized look, which they could take advantage of by bringing in a celebrated comic book artist or two to stylize the film. A live action superhero team film being rushed into production? Sounds like a repeat of X-3.
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He just has that boyish look that just won't suit a Superman Movie. Maybe it's his unkempt hair that adds to the factor, but he still looks way too young for the role. It doesn't matter that he's what...nearly 30 now, he just still looks too young. That's why he continues to be perfect for Smallville, because he has that high school/early college look that works for that role. But to imagine him walking around with the famous cape and suit, it would just look ridiculous. It would look like a Superboy movie instead of a Superman movie. And no doubt the general audience in the theater (i.e. non-comic book/Smallville fans) would be thinking the same way. Routh at least looks like the proper 28 to 30 year age that a Superman should be.
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Do you have to be so hateful and make such angry, vile remarks. How about you take it easy, not make homophobic remarks and act like a true Superman fan actually would.
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I've got plenty to say, bub, just didn't know I had to spell it out for you. First, I said, "Time to get over that bullshit and show some fucking respect for the gay community." Not "Oh, won't someone PLEASE think of the gay community??". If you're going to quote me, quote accurately. Okay, back to the point. You're saying Singer puts gay subtext in all his films? So Usual Suspects, X-Men 1 & 2, and SR all have gay stuff going on in them? I've seen all these films, not once did I see anything gay, and not because I turned a blind eye, but because there was no foundation for making such an observation in the first place. Not to mention that pointing out gay subtext is hardly what you can consider observant, relevant, or even intelligent. You choose to see that. How insecure in your own sexuality do you have to be to not only pick up on gay imagery, but actually have it be a reason for why you think a film, or a character in a film, is bad. And how is being gay a bastardization of a character? Think about what that says about how you think of gay people. I'd say you have some issues one way or another (maybe both ways). And I ain't tryin' to be a hero, I'm just sayin' get with the 21st century, dink. That's a cute insult, by the way. Use that often?
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"The rumored STORYBOARD comic script for MAD MAX IV was whispered to have some of the most astonishingly intense visuals concieved for a film." please.
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This says it ALL right here: "So Usual Suspects, X-Men 1 & 2, and SR all have gay stuff going on in them? I've seen all these films, not once did I see anything gay". I'm not going to point out WHY you are a fucking idiot. Just know that you ARE. Being gay IS a bastardization of Superman, shithead, because Superman has NEVER been portrayed as BEING gay. I'm COMPLETELY secure in MY sexuality, but it's apparent YOU are gay, and have "issues" with that. Don't PROJECT your "insecurities" on ME, asshole. Obviously to YOU, the word "gay" is a negative, yet I don't call YOU a "homophobe". I don't play the "label" game, ignorant FUCKS do. That includes YOU "Kal Reeve".
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...I didn't expect to see you again so... SPOON!
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You've said it all. "Singerman? Please. Singerman was aimed at the "emo", closeted-homosexuals out there. Those that claim to "like it" exhibit these tendencies, and get "offended" when you point it out. They are EMBARASSED by these feelings, and "lash out" at those that point them out. Plus, to them, being a peeping-tom is A-OK, which means they are perverts as well..." Gee, what was I thinking accusing you of being a homophobe? You haven't labeled anyone, or resorted to name calling have you? You're a true intellectual and possess great insight, and you articulate yourself very well. And yes, I'm actually gay, not just some gay-friendly guy who decides to stand up for his gay friends and the gay community. Thanks for the enlightenment, pal.
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Now read that with Ben Stein's voice!
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just sees what he wants to see.
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For me Superman Returns was a return of a certain type of film, it was the perfect way to bring Superman back to the cinema and I still think we will be short changed should WB's not allow Singer to follow it up!
I aint a Homesexual, I have no problem with anyone that is and I dont see how someones sexual orientation should have an impact on how I enjoy a Film!!
I have no idea what a fucking Emo is, is it a big bird with long legs??
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He called us ignorant asshole motherfuckers - not ignorant asshole fuckers, because that would be an insult to the homosexual community. A subtle but important distinction.
Feel free to diss his mum and her arsehole though. He's not so offended by that. -
No reply? And you're not Shaq, are you?!
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I think the biggest flaw in SR, when I think back upon it, even though I thoroughly enjoyed it, was aside from bringing the kid into the mix, there was really nothing new for us. The entire movie, as beautiful as it was filmed, and as detailed it was, was a retread of the original, as has been said time and again on numerous talkbacks. As I loved the original, I was quite comfotable with that, and I enjoyed the hell out of the movie, and still do. However, I truly expect, now that the return was presented, that the direction of the character and his stiries would go into some amazing action packed adventuring for the next one, and I totally trust Singer to do so. I hope beyond all hope that this JL movie does not completely derail a Singer Directed sequel, as most would admit, with X2, Singer delivered a home run, and I would expect no less in from him on his next effort, by now he has all the feedback he needs to know which way to go with it. It would be a shame if the JLA movie sux. It's got to kick major ass. I sure hope it does.
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The difference between this and the X-men films are that Singer has already said that he is most interested in exploring the character of Superbrat- which you have already said was a mistake. I hate that film- it was the worst movie I have seen in absolutely ages, but it hasn't got to me in the same way as Kal El Vis, although I do find it astounding when people claim to like it,
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Cheers ckone, I originally didnt much like the whole superkid thing, but the more I think about the more I like it.
Im a father myself and I totally get the last scene and why he'll always be around, I can see how this could be mis-handled, but with Singer I can see there being some balance to how the kid is used in the next film.
In all fairness id rather superman had a kid than a black suit and a shield that turns into a sword or some other equally bad idea.
Superman Returns is a film that requires you to invest some emotion into it, not many films these days move people,Recently I can only think of Superman Returns, Children of Men and Pans Labrynth that have stayed with me for days afterwards, and made me think!
I took my 4 Year old son to see Superman Returns it was his first film at the cinema, and he was totally captivated by what he was seeing, he loved it, if a fucking 4 Year old can sit still and watch the film how can you call it turgid?
I digress, All im saying is people who are quick to dismiss Superman Returns and call it things like Singerman just need to sit back watch again from a different view point, get past the idea of Superman having a kid, and that Singer is gay!
And enjoy a film that is a homage to what has gone before and a setup for something better ahead!
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I heard this at the time from a lot of fans, and I thought- "you know what, maybe I am being judgemental" SO I got my hands on a pirate copy (I didn't want to pay twice) off a mate and rewatched it. It was the second viewing, where I honestly tried to see the good points in it that really drove my hatred home. The reason I focus on superbrat is that by including him Singer shows that he doesn't udnerstand the character of Superman and by stating that he is interested to develop Superspawn kind of makes me think he doesn't care about the character of Superman. Bear in mind that Superman is the eponymous hero of the films- and this is why his version sucked and any sequel will also most likely be sub-par
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the supersprog WAS mishandled. He was a particularly nauseating child, and the whole episode came off as creepy, a touch sickening and felt totally out of place. Also, some of the most offensive plot holes in a film laced with plot holes involved Superbrat. Shields & Swords word have been farcical (this is true)- but part of the reason is that if he was tooled up like that he would have had to fight someone- and this was clearly not on the agenda.
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I was interested, and think it was despicable that they shot the messenger like that. I would be interested to know how you COULD market SR properly- I have a suspicion that half the people that saw it only did so because they didn't know what was in it- In which case marketing did a fabulous job keeping the mess from the public's eyes.
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Why should we have to "get past" anything? I absolutely hated Superman Returns and walked out of the theter furious at the missed opportunity-- same as I felt after seeing the Matthew Broderick movie about the giant iguana.
I bought the DVD set with all the Supes movies and the wife and I squirmed our way through SR again. I really tried to appreciate SR for its good points. But the truth is, the bad points are so collossal that they overwhelm the few bright spots and positive elements to be found in SR. Superman Returns is a chore to sit through.
Having said that, if there were a sequel to it, I'd be willing to see it if it looked interesting-- at least one truly powerful adversary and drama that comes from the 70-year history of these characters, not some tacked-on bullshit about Supes having a son, or teenage Lois Lane having moved on and being engaged to some pilot because Superman broke his word and ran off for five years-- returning the same week as Clark Kent did-- Parker Posey-- AAAAAAAAAARGHHH I FUCKING HATE SUPERMAN RETUUUUURRRNNNSS!!!!! -
For me a huge element of the Superman Mythos has been the relationship between Superman and the Kents and Jor-El and how they have all contributed to who he is.
Now put yourself in his place, he has all this power, all this knowledge and even though he has adoptive parents and friends, he is still alone, he's an alien, does he even know if he can procreate with a human?
In this film he has lost Lois, although he can help peole by averting disasters and stopping criminals it's still not going to make a lick of difference when is dead and burried without anyone to impart his teachings to.
I like the idea of the kid, agreed it would be terrible if in the next film we have the kid in a costume flying around with his dad and allsorts of other goofy shit, but I credit Singer with a bit more tact and I can see there being something along the lines of how Kal El was taught by Jor El when he was a lot older, fine he was aware of his powers but they werent fully fleshed out untill he went to the Fortress, would it be so bad for him to take a step back for next 10 or 12 years then lead him to the fortress to be taught??
Like I said if handled correctly I dont see this as being as big a problem as some people are saying, it's adding to the character with out mocking it, without taking away from who he is, we are just going to be shown a different side! -
...adapted GRant Morrison's old "Pale Martians" storyline. That arc was just pure adrenaline and had so many great scenes... Bats sneaking into the pale martian fortress, offing Amortal and leaving him for the other villains to find with a "I know what you are" note pinned to his chest. Just tons of other cool shit, too.
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Superman should not have a son- no way, not ever. It is appalling and a tacky attempt to generate a cheap emotional response. "I can see there being something along the lines of how Kal El was taught by Jor El when he was a lot older, fine he was aware of his powers but they werent fully fleshed out untill he went to the Fortress, would it be so bad for him to take a step back for next 10 or 12 years then lead him to the fortress to be taught?"- that is a fucking horrendous idea, and unfortunately you are right- it looks like Singer will go that way and continue to use Superman as some god awful therapy substitute.
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I see class you see ass!
So im cashing my chips in on this TB and getting back to work!
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And ANYONE who says Singer "understands" Superman is a retard masquerading as a jackass. So, having the 5 year old bastard MURDER someone is "understanding"? Don't make-up scenarios to EXCUSE what he filmed. He had the kid KILL, and that ISN'T what Superman, or his bastard-spawn, are supposed to be.
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I think "New World Order" would make for great cinema, but that would make for a better sequel pic - let's get the JLA virgins versed on who J'onn J'onzz is first before we throw a lot more Martians on the screen. But you're right - it would be AWESOME.
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You are a Fucktard - no honestly you really are!!
Now go away and masturbate into a bowl of your own feaces, you sick puppy!! -
I didn't dislike SR. I actually spent the first few months after watching it trying to convince my friends and family that it wasn't crap like they said it was. Since watching it a couple more times, I realized that it wasn't a bad movie, but it was a movie that didn't live up to what it should have been. Too much focus was on making it a homage to the originals. Instead of giving us something the others really didn't (a real villain, not something cornball), they made it an updated original with the actors trying to be like their counterparts instead doing their own interpretation. There are still things about it I like, but it is a big disappointment for the opportunity that was thrown away. I'm really hoping Miller doesn't drop the ball with JL as I am really looking forward to it.
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EW.COM is reporting that Biel has passed on the role. Make of that what you will.
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Way to recycle my insult there, gimp! What's the matter, no EXCUSES for Singer turning a child into a MURDERER?? What a fucking moron. First, we are to believe he "liked" Singerman Repugnant. THEN, the dingleberry wants us to believe he had sexual-relations with a FEMALE. The final nail is when he CLAIMS to have REPRODUCED! As if the world isn't in ENOUGH trouble WITHOUT imbeciles deluting the gene pool. "Duh, me like Singerman too many much! It am purtiful and a-smart like me! You dum-dum 'cuz you don't like, um, overstand n' stuff!"
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But thanks for your concern, now fuck off and hide away from bubblegum gang.
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