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Zack Snyder has some words for you about WATCHMEN!
Hey folks, Harry here at Fantastic Fest, got some time before my second helping of TIMECRIMES - and posting this piece from Warner Bros and Zack Snyder regarding his latest comic adaptation, WATCHMEN. He's not only watching the Watchmen, he's filming them... Let's see what he has to say:
Please find the link to an introduction from Zack Snyder from the set of “Watchmen” for your use.
Zack's Greeting!
Check out the official site at This Astonishing Location!
“Watchmen” opens nationwide on March 6, 2009.
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Dare I say?
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during the last watchmen casting talkback, after everyone was bitching about big stars not being in it, someone said something to effect of 'what are you all a bunch of housewives? bitching about not enough big name stars?' i just wanted to give that guy credit again, cause thats funny.
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....comments for all. I really think that Snyder has earned some respect from 300 and DOTD, but don't know how he can pare down all the layers from Moore's book and have a similar experience for this movie. I hope he does it, for what it's worth, but if he botches it there will be fanboy hell to pay.
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I'll pass.
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heh. i didnt realize they were making a movie about the sony watchman. how exciting could it be?
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If he screws Watchmen up maybe he can play him in Three's Company the Movie
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there is going to be fanboy hell to pay no matter what. this is one of those projects that even if its great some people will find reasons to bitch. although.. i would have said the same about the lord of the rings, and that was pretty well accepted (the haters are definintely the minority there) so i hope he knocks it out of the park.
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The Atomic Man has nards!
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just to make every word in the headline spelled wrong.
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Im on a brand new computer with brand new Quicktime and it's fucking up already!Don't know what Zacky Hacky said but Hope he takes the time to serve this project with the respect it deserves, get Moore to tell him what he should be doing when he gets the urge to have all the characters get naked and oily and fight for 2 hours or run around like crazies on too much Orange SquashI actually had a half hour nap in the middle of 300 and when I woke up it was doing exactly the same as before I fell asleep ie Big swolen men shouting Grandios Hyperbole about Dying in the shadow of Arrows to dine in Hell tonight or sum shite!!!???enjoyed DOTDead re-imaginengineered for what it was worth but this one might prove a bit too much.
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Watch Watchman wear a watch...a really fucking nice watch! WATCH OUT!
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Just Remember a certain character DOES NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM kill another character in the book.
If you do not know what I am talking about then READ THE BOOK -
...get it right, or walk the fuck away.
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*spoilers* (but then who in this talkback hasnt read the book?) you're not talking about dr manhattan and roscharch are you? because it sure seemed like he killed him to me. (or do you mean ozymandias and the comedian? ..cause im pretty sure he kills him too.)
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He is not. Ogreishere is referring to a killing that takes place at the end of the last few leaked script drafts.
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He says the word "cool" like 23 times and thats it. This video is worthless. Why even bother posting it?
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THIS IS WATCHMEN!
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guess i havent heard about the leaked script. who do they have kill whom?
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Who watches the butt-chin??? !
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i just googled it.. well thats kind of dumb.. do they figure the ending the too unsatisfying without someone getting retribution?
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"Please... I... I'm just an action movie director. This thing is all, like, heady and stuff and... I mean, oh fuck, oh geez, oh why did I take this on... fuck... Frank Miller, please write another hamfisted homoerotic powerfantasy for me to direct... PLEASE?!?! This Alan Moore guys stuff is outta my league! HAAALLLLP!!!"
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Cautiously upbeat on this project. You can knock 300 for what it was, but you can't knock it for being unfaithful to the source material. At least we know that Snyder's capable of getting the tone of A piece right. That said, getting the tone of THIS piece right is a might bit tougher, IMHO, than it was on 300. And Mindworm is right - this is a bitch of a property to translate to a 2 - 3 hour long movie.
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I hated him.
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what really makes me worried about this movie being in Snyder's hands is that DOTD was completely, utterly without political subtext. throw in a couple of shots with a US flag in them sure, but that is not the same as making a point about society in any way. the movie was pretty much just an action/apocalypse movie with zombies as the bad guys. but the thing is, zombie movies pretty much have subtext built right into them; group vs. outsiders, culture vs. counterculture, etc. in my opinion you would have to work pretty damn hard to AVOID having subtext in a zombie movie. but that's what Snyder used his many talents for with that one. i haven't seen 300 but judging from the wildly disparate opinions of people i know who've seen it, the political subtext is at most, cloudy and at least, nonexistent. most of the people i know who saw it said that showing awesome fights was really the point of the movie.i can live with that. i'm not the type of dude who needs subtext in every fucking thing i see; DOTD was a pretty good time and 300 seemed popular amongst this site's readership and the teens with which i worked this summer. BUT. if you take away the sociopolitical stuff from the watchmen you have a very large problem. you are left with a fucking superhero murder mystery. i think it's safe to assume that element of the story is not why we all care so deeply about it. especially since 9/11 happened, the resolution of WATCHMEN (the book, anyway) has taken on a whole nother dimension of importance. and i honestly don't that Snyder's got the balls to take on something that huge... which makes me bummed about this movie's existence. but i guess i'll find out for sure in 2009.
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I bet he really hasn't left his apartment in weeks, and the windows are covered over with bedsheets. Sounded pretty manic and delusional too.
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I bet he really hasn't left his apartment in weeks, and the windows are covered over with bedsheets. Sounded pretty manic and delusional too.
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some idiots crashing into a building did anything but make the goverment more powerful, watch a little film called V for Vendetta and everytime they say say St Mary's Massacre insert 9-11
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i totally agree. all 9/11 did was let the US govt run rampant and do whatever it wanted. kinda makes you wonder who the 'idiots' that knocked it down really were... here's a deal, i will rewatch V for VENDETTA with the substitutions that you suggest if you reread WATCHMEN and paste a photo of Dick Cheney over Veidt's face every time he appears.
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and the ears the right length, I'll be okay with everything! (sigh...)
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Ahahahaha
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Please don't ruin that part of it for newbies!
Zach/Warner Bros. if you read this:
please take the name Jackie Earl Haley off the site!
thanks. It would really make me feel better.
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it gets even weirder.
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Men, WATCH Jessica Biel's CTHULHU peek out over ont he CLoverfield talkback. Hooded Justice is gay. That is all.
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is overrated
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I got to hear what he said, but no video.And, ogreishere, what are you talking about? I read the book not too long ago and if I remember correctly, a couple heroes died at the hand(s) of another(s).
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That is the one thing that burns in my mind to be answered.
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deal
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2 straight hours of "this was CG...that was not CG...this was CG", over and over again. No insight into plot, characterization, theme -- anything. Zack Snyder really is as deep as he looks.
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They misspell "principal" on the official website.
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What has this guy accomplished so far! A competent remake of a horror classic and gay fascistic CGI crapfest. All of the actors that have been cast are wrong for the parts and way too young to be playing them in the first place. Watchman is not an action oriented piece. The very fact that a big studio has backed this project means that it will inevitably be a souless machine designed to separate geeks from their wallets. Some projects should never be touched and Watchmen is one of them.
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This is clearly the one that makes or breaks him. And what a mounting task - I still don't see how "Watchmen" can be told (well) in 2-2 1/2 hours...I would LOVE for Snyder to prove me wrong though. The casting bids well, so who knows.
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Unlike V, Watchmen will have to be better than "good". And nothing Snyder has helmed indicates this is probable. Oh well, at least I'll have Nolan's Batman trilogy.
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...glad you're going to give it a chance.
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Minus the comic-within-a-comic, it's not THAT long. It's long pages wise, but there are plenty of instances where 4 or five pages only last a minute or so. It's all those - you know -panels taking up room.
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Zach does not look like he's in good shape.
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Sep 25, 2007 10:04:52 PM CDT
Zack's words: "Go see my movie Watch Man, er, Watchmen"
by mrmysteryguest
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"Try some lotion!"
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Why can't the rest of us be invited to the party? Would you really be so ashamed to have us along? What about the freedom of speech that you hold so dear? The rest of us count also, don't we? What about our perspective? If yours is always portrayed and the middle is always portrayed... than what about the rest of us? Ultimately, per the words of your own gripe, shouldn't our opinions count also?
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...probably no one. Well folks, it's been great hearing you complain about how you hate Zach Snyder because he doesn't lean in the right direction to fart, but I've gotta log off before another one of these websites I'm browsing foolishly gives every schmo the option to speak their mind.
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You'll never convince anyone with uppercase.
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Watchmen=the inspiration for 9/11. Search your feelings, you know it to be true. BTW I don't smoke anything, and I'm NOT voting for Hillary.
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If this guy changes anything It'll probally ruin the entire meaning of the story.I mean taking out the Black Freighter stuff and putting it out on the dvd version I can understand but if Dan kills adrian or the alien invasion isnt apart of the story and some other gimmick is then fuck it,this comic is way too important and you cant change ANYTHING like any other cheesy comic like Spiderman or Batman.This book made comics important.I just dont have much faith till I see it.
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there IS no left in the US. There are neo cons and moderates. The only place on this planet with communists are Catholic and Orthodox monasteries (a 5000 year old shining example of how communism really works)
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should have directed this film. that's all i have to say.
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consists of: cool, uuuh, like
Is Paris Hilton directing this now?
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AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
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But it does.
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dude man, never did i even say i was left leaning, way to (correctly) make of ass of both you and me. like i said i like all sorts of movies. the fact of the matter is that WATCHMEN is a political work. to like it is to like that part of it, it is the whole banana. all i'm saying is, don't let a director who avoids putting political subtext in a movie, direct a movie that needs that subtext to succeed. as for the 9/11 thing-- obv WATCHMEN did not inspire 9/11. it is a political principle that a nation's people will rally behind their attacked nation. WATCHMEN is a creative work where someone uses that principle to manipulate the political tide and in the light of 9/11, where US leaders have been alleged to do the same thing -- only in real life, not a creative work -- i think that becomes more interesting. and you can think islamic extremists carried out 9/11 and still find that POV interesting regardless of your opinion, as you say above. but dude you gotta be kidding me about the right and their love of our civil liberties--you can't have escaped the right's restrictions on our civil liberties via wiretapping our phone calls, reading our email, post-9/11 censorship, preventing gay marriage, banning abortion for rape and incest victims, etc.
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...and it was Alan Moore. He said, "Nite-Owl runs over Veidt with the Owl-Ship? That's their idea of an ending? Blehhhhh!"
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Indiana Jones just wrapped or is close to wrapping and Watchmen is actually being filmed. Somebody pinch me.
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Okay, so I read a draft of the script online and there was one thing that really bugs(apart from dan killing adrian)... and that is that the script has Adrian's plot framing Doc Manhattan for mass destruction around the world.
The problem is, the book had it as a fake alien destroying New York in order to give everyone a common foe to rally against.
The script sets up Doc Manhattan as the USA's ultimate weapon and then uses him to wreak destruction. Shit - that doesn't make sense. All that would do is turn the whole world against the USA, which is kinda counter-productive.
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you fell asleep during 300? what are you 6?
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[quote]NOW HEAR THIS
by Puddleglum Sep 25th, 2007
08:15:21 PM
Men, WATCH Jessica Biel's CTHULHU peek out over ont he CLoverfield talkback. Hooded Justice is gay.
That is all.
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You saw Jessica Biel's pussy? Damn, lucky prick.
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Rock on, dude!
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Veidt, like most would-be despots, did evil things to accomplish (in his mind) noble ends. Changing any of that motivation and making Veidt a typical 'Dr. Evil' villain just kills the point of the story.
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if you'd stop yelling for a second you could see that I said nothing of left or right or communist. The people who own this country and you are slowly stealing what it was supposedly built on. only stupid people willingly give up freedoms for perceived safety. thats all I am saying. you are welcome to you opinion but please don't yell. All that does in make sure no one listens
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was typing my last political post while you were typing your plea. I am done now
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Biggest disappointement of 2007 so far, especially after all this hype. Nothing but dull dialogue and all the sayme screaming, punching, jumping, stabbing, first sped up, then slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, sped up, slowed down, what a piece of crap. :P
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Whatever, I just got up.
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Ladies and gentlemen, please put your hands together for...drumroll..."The death of modern cinema".In glorious Quicktime. I thank you. Don't forget to try the waitress.
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Will Zack Snyder be the most loathed director in history if he messes up WATCHMEN? I am still in a state of stunned disbelief that George Lucas gave us such a horrible Prequel Trilogy, but we still have the Original Trilogy. WATCHMEN is the pinnacle of comics/literature, and it really is as brilliant as it's reputation. If the film is mediocre (or worse) then the name Zack Snyder will forever be synonymous with messing up an adaptation.
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Zack, love you man, really hoping you pull it off and the movie turns out great, can we please get a Watchman FORUM on the site?! please, please, please.
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He already is synonymous with messing up an adaptation. It was called 300.
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I don't know about "messing up" 300. A decent graphic novel and a decent movie. WATCHMEN is on a higher level than 300. On a higher level than anything really.
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I fail to see how ANYONE could have liked the hodge of shite that was 300. This man is going to RUIN Watchmen.
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Not one bit. I love Watchmen as the next guy but what's watch it with the hyperbole. I remember someone calling it a Cornerstone of Western Literature the last talkback. Snyder seems like a cool enough guy who loves the material. He's ego probably won't get in the place of the story as it would with some more accomplished directors. The actors he chose are not big stars and I thank him for that. Dawn of the Dead was solid. I love Romeros movies as a "let's gather together and get pissed drunk on Zombie movies with friends" way (even though it's "messages" are as complex and subtile as a coloring book), but DoaD was something you could actually pay money for and watch in the cinema. The first twenty minutes were inspired. 300 was like a trip on a very manly drug - like it should be. I'm pretty sure most of you guys will hate watchmen, whatever he puts on film. You've put a very neat graphic novel so high on the piedestal, that there is no earthly way of pleasing you. Watchmen finally happens and... Well you're the third kind of people. The glass in not half full, nor half empty but "What the fuck is that glass doing around my water?"
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This is all your fault.
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I don't see how anyone could like the comic and yet consider the film a failed adaptation. If you don't like it, you don't like it, but it's second only to Sin City as the most faithful comic - or any book - adaptation ever.
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Has Hollis Mason been cast yet? Is it Adam West? It had better be or I'll have wasted ages writing this fucking post in every Watchmen talkback for the last four years.
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Sorry, Napkin.
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a guy who did a pretty cool, but braindead action film tried to adapt an Alan Moore comic book? I think his name was Stephen Norrington. There's something a bit reminiscent here.
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He's approaching the film from the perspective of someone deeply in love with the material, who doesn't want to mess it up. He managed to work his way up the Hollywood food chain in order to get to a position that would allow him to make this film (and subsequently have a great deal of control over it, where other directors wouldn’t). What this means is that he was allowed his R-rating, and the cast of his choice – based solely on the success of his last film. The guy has a vision for the film and he's got the balls to step up to the plate when the whole geek world is watching him, waiting to pounce if he fails. I have faith in the guy.
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Sep 26, 2007 7:47:10 AM CDT
Ol' Damned has a few word on Watchmen as well...
by damned if i can login
"Disappointing" "Rushed" "Poorly adapted" and a host of others. Note that I did *not* say "shitfest".The original work is far too subtle and complex for any single 2-hr film to convey.So call me a "hater" or whatever the fuck you want. I *will* be vindicated in the long run.
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but you're probably right, I hope to god I am wrong, but I really can't see how this can be a good 2-hour film. (original Dune anyone?) Unless they screw with the story and make it an action flick.
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The basic story isn't all that long or complex - there's no reason why it couldn't be told in 2 hours or so. Making the movie longer wouldn't neccessarily make it better, unless you're planning on judging the movie based on how much stuff is packed into it, rather then how well what's there is handled.
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Ugh, that's rubbish. It's more than possible to condense a work down to its most important elements, while keeping the intrinsic themes and complexity intact. You guys need to start learning how to give upcoming films the benefit of the doubt, instead of moaning about how bad they MIGHT be.
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...he's the same color as the wall behind him. That's weird...
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Snyder has only made a one hour film but there's so much slow motion that he's stretched it out to over two hours.
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To All Y'all Haters...
Up Your Nose, With A Rubber Hose!
Adaptations will rarely live up to the source material. Sequels will rarely be better than the original. We go to movie to have fun - stop trying to ruin other people's fun just because you don't like something you read on the internet. There will be plenty of time to discuss whether or not this movie is a triumph or failure when it comes out in the theater. I for one think that of all the times this movie had been close to filming, this seems like it has the possibility of being something close to what Watchmen is supposed to be. Remember when Terry Gilliam was supposed to be making this - Watchmen could easily have been "The Man Who Killed Don Quiote." Zack has a chance to nail this, and until I see differently, give him a shot. No matter who makes this film, it has the potential to fail miserably. Good luck to you Zack! -
Not as hard as it seems in this case, as Wathcmen is a mite overrated. It's very good, but not great.
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Dumb, loud comics for dumb, loud people. I did enjoy Robocop 2, though. No, really.
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Nixon as president in 1985?
How about an alternate 1995 with Clinton's wife as president.
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Search your feelings....you know it to be true! Holy shit! These guys even sound alike!! On a different note, here's to hoping Watchmen will kick unholy ass! Though I still think Cudrup isn't the best casting for Doc Manhatten. But that's just me. Also...on a different note Zack Snyder = Mark Ruffalo!!!!!
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I don't know why, I just don't trust him on this.
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got pulled out of a soup kitchen?
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As much as I hate to say this, after all this waiting, Warners should pull the plug on this ASAP. Cut their losses and (maybe) start over but with a better, more intelligent, more articulate, more visionary director. Zack "Zach" Snyder says "cool" as often as George Bush eats newborn babies...which is, like, every 12 seconds. Snyder is probably the most vapid visual stylist working today. He makes Michael Bay look like Stanley Kubrick. Seriously, just wearing a Watchmen t-shirt and blathering on about how much he loves the source material qualifies him to be a mouth-breathing fanboy, not a viable candidate to direct a major adaptation of a classic graphic novel. At Comic-Con, when Snyder said he was going to shoot the opening of the movie matching it frame-for-frame with the book, Rodriguez-style, I knew we were in serious trouble. He'll be to Alan Moore what Mick Garris was to Stephen King...a slavishly loyal (read: "creatively lazy") hack who brings no vision or intelligence of his own to the material. But thanks for posting the link to what I can pretend is an Al Qaeda video with Snyder as the imperiled hostage.
Nah, kidding, cool...Zack's an OK cool guy. He's cool. Mad cool, with his cool director tats. Nothing but love. Nothing but cool love. -
homoerotic (not that theres anything wrong with it) uberviolence porn.....stupid slow motion...I have no faith this cat can pull off watchmen...its way out of his league (no pun intended)
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Is weak....we can all read,,, so if your not going to bring anything to it...with frank miller looking on to approve/disapprove....whats the point?
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Snyder has yet to impress me. 300 was nothing great, even in terms of a purely visceral experience. Butler's performance was the only thing that stood out, and that was thanks to Butler alone. I lump Snyder in with Singer and Ratner as just another one of these mediocre young directors who got lucky, but actually possesses no unique vision or good storytelling skills. Considering this project would be a challenge for any director to pull off, I'm concerned this flick will end up being just another lackluster comic book flick, full of unmemorable performances and poorly drawn characterizations. I'm concerned this project has fallen into the wrong hands. That was my feeling the moment I learned Snyder was assigned to direct this film, and I'm certain we will end up experiencing something comparable to "Superman Returns" all over again.
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And I've enjoyed his first two films, but I, too, am a bit apprehensive about this. But then again, I'd probably be worried about any Watchmen adaptation that wasn't directed by a true master (Scorsese, Gilliam, etc) and not spread out on Showtime or HBO. Snyder can definitely handle action, but that's something Watchmen is fairly low on. I'll give him at least one thing: he definitely loves Watchmen and you can feel that every time he talks about it. Hopefully he can make a fantastic adaptation. Right now, though, I'm just keeping my fingers crossed.
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wathcmen is not about being "cool...it's how intellegent it is that makes it so special.
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Remember the disappointment for Da Vinci Code? I suspect we will see the same for this movie.
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Dawn of the Dead remake type thing was awful. Lets take a classic zombie film and take away all the characters . . .but don't worry zombies run now and the big selling point - a zombie baby. Wow briliant. Thanks Snyder.And as for the shitfest that was 300 . .some of the worst acting I have ever seen - I rrrreally am struggling to think of worse acting. And it just looked terrible. I thank god I never payed money to watch that crap because I really would have walked out . . (much like I wanted to during transformers but I couldn't leave my 10yr old nephew on his own.)How the hell someone with the obvious lack of talent that is Snyder is meant to film is is beyond me - hey Snyder prove me wrong. I beg you. Actually manage to do a film that has good characters and actors.
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Here is a link to an interview with Zack Snyder
http://www.iklipz.com/MovieDetail.aspx?MovieID=874147bb-4baf-4d95-a7b2-657a5b757b9a -
On this thread. 300 is a story using archetypal Greek characters - the brave king/soldier, his loyal soldier friend, the evil army lead by a hubristic "God-King." Characters in Greek myth weren't written to be complex, individual "people" - they were more or less SUPPOSED to be archetypes. Again, I'll say that if you didn't/don't like that kind of story, that's cool - I can understand that. What I can't understand is making the argument that Snyder didn't get the tone and feel of his source material right. He did. I'll say again that getting the tone and feel of Watchmen right is a very different thing than getting the tone and feel of 300 right, but - I've seen no reason to not be cautiously optimistic about Snyder's abilities. This IS a bastard of a piece to adapt, though...
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Awesome.
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Moore was a one trick pony with Swampthing. 300 was not Miller's high point and the insult of Stardust being Neil Gaimen's only feature is a crime.
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You could not be more wrong.....
1.League of Ex. Gents...
2. Some great Superman stories...
3.swamp thing
4. from hell
5.watchmen
6. killing joke
7.some great green lantern
8. tom tommorow
9. spawn #10
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as it had no point....see every fucking war movie ever made for examples of what it was trying to be...but turned into teenage masturbatory visual bullshit....the cool effects in the matrix were part of the story...in 300 they are just dumb....
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..well?
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Sure it did. The point of 300 is that it can be virtuous to stand up for your beliefs even against overwhelming odds. It's a point that wasn't subtly made, but it's not a subtle story. Not every story needs to be subtle. And - again - the masturbatory visual bullshit is almost entirely lifted from the source material. If you're looking to lay blame, lay it at Miller's feet, not Snyder's. Snyder did a good job of staying true to his source material; I'm hoping he does so with Watchmen too.
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Ok you bring up some good stories. I based my reasoning on his later works with Avatar.
I heard all this hype about watchmen and then I finally read it and I thought it was over rated. The story started out great and then somewhere in the middle got side tracked from where I thought it was going. it started based in reality and then got weird with the aliens and shit. it's not where I thought it would go and ruined it for me.
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No . .blame Snyder - he was the one who managed to get such a low in acting standards. . .I am assuming that the actors aren't that bad in other things
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"it's not where I thought it would go and ruined it for me." Are you serious? Why the hell would you WANT to know where a story is going? That kind of defeats the idea of hearing/watching/reading a story in the first place.
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Your opinion = nullified.
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its fine to be a snyder fan.I don't hate him at all. I loved his dawn remake but fucking hated 300 mainly because it was a boring repetitive load of fucking over acted horseshit. Now I don't care how much you love his stuff and much as I loved hid dotd remake it is not a fucking patch on the original. not even close. he turned it into a mindless video game. a mindless videogame that I enjoyed the shit out of but a video game nonetheless.
So for me he is 50/50. I don't want him to fuck this up but I really question whether he cares about the right things to make this story work on film. Lets face it if 300 had tanked he wouldn't be making this film. this is nopt a case of putting the right guy in the right job its a case of putting the "hot" guy in a high profile project. -
he says the crew is great, while he looks to the side. he says the cast is great as he looks on the ground.
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Quoting lordrando: "The story started out great and then somewhere in the middle got side tracked from where I thought it was going. it started based in reality and then got weird with the aliens and shit. it's not where I thought it would go and ruined it for me."
You do realise there are no aliens in Watchmen, right? Not to give anything away, but the thing that attacks New York is man-made. That's the most fundimental fucking pillar of the story. If you didn't get that, no wonder you didn't like it.
If you could accept Doctor Manhattan as a twenty storey blue man stomping on Viet Cong, I really don't see how a fake twenty storey alien movie prop can shatter your sense of "reality" within the narrative.
Yes, I like the book. I am fearful for the movie - especially after Snyder's first video journal. He just reminds me too much of Michael Bay. Give this guy fucking "Lady Death" or some derrivative crap by Grant Morrison - but "Watchmen"?
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I noticed the Ruffalo likeness as well, I was shocked it took so many posts for it to be pointed out. It's uncanny - Snyder looks like his hungry twin brother.
I can't wait until we start seeing some actual footage or images from this. All the negativity on this thread is just childish - I can understand fans saying they don't think it will work or having concerns - I do, I love the graphic novel and can see adapating it as a major challenge for anyone - but rather than wishing it will turn out best it seems most people WANT it to be bad just so they can say "I told you so". Everyone defending the film is a plant? What the fuck is that about? Grow up kids - if you really loved Watchmen then you'd want the film to be good and show some support for it rather than wishing the film the worst luck just to vindicate your own miserable feelings. At the end of the day if this turns out to be shit then the general population will associate the name with the crappy film forever. So start hoping for the best. -
How many times can one person say "You Know" in two minutes....? He talks like a 14 year old girl.... His movies are cool as hell, just tell him to keep his mouth shut...
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...(heh) up until I saw 300, I was all about letting Snyder have a shot at this material. I loved his Dawn of the Dead (about a thousand times more than Romero's unsubtle attempt to capitalize on what was largely accidental yet brilliant cultural subtext in the original Night). I thought he handled the complexities of the zombie genre admirably through the lens of what the Wall Street Journal is characterizing as a "hunkered down" society of mistrustful isolationists forced to coexzist in close proximity with one another (see the recent Death of Diversity article and you might have a better idea of where Snyder's and a lot of other modern film makers' sensibilities come from). But 300 was a cold glass of water down my pants. I had hoped he'd put a slightly different, more modern spin on his interpretatiojn of that material as well. But, instead, it was an uninspired attempt to replicate what was only intriguing about Sin City because of its novelty (I've always maintained that, as a piece of experimental art, Sin City is fantastic...but it kind of blows as a movie if you judge it on the merits of its production values and acting quality). Anyway, I'm back to being somewhat skeptical of this project. I hope Snyder doesn't try too hard to just replicate what's going on in the books. Because that's a sure way to fail. He needs to be true to the ideas, the spirit, the themes and the characters (and, no, that doesn't mean Rorschach has to look exactly like he did in the panels). If he can capture those crucial elements and make them feel fresh to those of us who've read the saga cover to cover umpteen times, he'll have done his job and more. Good luck, Z.
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"I always knew some day you'd come walking back through my door."Good to see you, sir. You know, some of us have asked about you from time to time. How have you been?
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...MNG. Like I told BSB, I had an opportunity come up that I had to take. Got to go some places and meet some folks, but it kept me pretty busy and effectively off the grid most of the summer. Capped it off with an injury that laid me up most of the last month. Just now getting back to my online life. What'd I miss?
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All caps politics from the expanded universe. HIGH-LARIOUS!!! Also, Hitler was right wing genius. Must have had some of that Neo-com koolaid mixed in with the EU koolaid.
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Damn. I remember you stated sometime ago that you had tweaked your back. Was this a different injury? Glad to hear that you're doing better now. And it sounds like you've had one hell of a summer though.As for what you missed, I'd say just more of the usual tomfoolery and hijinks = lots of n00bs, some bannings, and a few new asshole Trolls that you're gonna love!
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And MNG- don't forget the parade of "classic" trolls that have resurfaced.
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Yeah I can agree with that, one of my complaints about watching or reading things is being told what is going to happen and then waiting for it to happen. With the Watchmen, it started out with a great set up of a murder, then little pieces of back story were told to give you more of a picture of the characters, and it still had a feel of something based in reality. I felt it got bogged down in the middle and towards the end about storylines I didn't care about. The story could have been a good mystery, Ozymadias framing Manhatten and causing his exile, and teleporting the alien in New York to try and stop the cold war seemed to far fetched and out of reality. These were people with no super powers for the most part. Just like Miller's Dark Knight Returns, the story became more of the author's polical views then a story operating in that universe. You wouldn't see someone teleporting a dead alien into AstroCity? The final acts, I felt, were actions that would not have been actions of characters operating in this realm and it felt unbelievable.
The set up of the whole story is the murder of Blake. Moore did a great job weaving the backstory and how all the characters interact and their past lives. To swallow that Ozymandias killed Blake because he found out about his plan to teleport the alien into New York to stop the cold war seemed silly. -
RE: "parade of "classic" trolls"Ah yes, pretty hard to forget those fools. Heh.
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Yeah, yeah!
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