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Spoilers Are Unleashed For
The Return of NBC’s HEROES!!

I am – Hercules!!
I fear for the second season of “Heroes,” which launches tonight. The brilliant Bryan Fuller, who created “Dead Like Me” and “Wonderfalls” before writing on “Heroes” last season, has gone off to ABC, where he serves as showrunner on his own creation, the hugely acclaimed “Pushing Daisies.” Staying behind on “Heroes” is the “Teen Wolf Too” team of series creator Tim Kring (“Crossing Jordan”) and “Smallville” vet Jeph Loeb. Can they make it work without Fuller? You decide! BEWARE SPOILERS FOR TONIGHT'S EPISODE AND BEYOND!!! The current Entertainment Weekly (the one with Hiro on the cover) contains an article authored by Jeff Jensen. It discusses season two of “Heroes.” * Why didn’t Peter just fly into the sky by himself at the end of last season? An EW excerpt:
''It's all about Peter's mental state,'' says Ventimiglia. ''He was so focused on stopping this power coming up from within him, he couldn't tap into anything else.'' Coleman teasingly suggests that expectations may have blinded viewers to the possibility that Sylar was diabolically manipulating the entire denouement, from his apparent defeat to Peter's paralyzing meltdown. ''Maybe we needed to play that up some more,'' allows Coleman. ''But I think there was a slyness that some people missed.''
Other interesting info from Jensen’s piece: * In perhaps another nod to “Watchmen,” somebody gets killed in 2.1 and the first half of season two is a murder mystery. (Hiro’s dad and Claire’s grandma seem to believe they’re targets as well. I’m guessing the worse-than-Sylar boogieman little Molly referenced last season is the culprit.) * Peter starts the season locked away, and with amnesia. * Nathan, believing Peter dead, has descended into alcoholism and starts the season with a giant beard. * In sunnier Costa Verde, Calif. (which doubtlessly neighbors Neptune and Sunnydale), Claire comes to date another superhero (played by Nick D’Agosto, who also played Jan’s assistant on “The Office”). * Papa Noah Bennet is going after his old bosses. (Possibly with the help of Sylar??) * Mohinder, Matt and Molly the little mutant-finder are all living together. (With Matt’s pregnant wife?) * Jessica/Niki gets a virus that only affects superheroes, presumably the one that killed Mohinder’s sister and vexes Molly. * Molly’s “worse than Sylar” boogieman is identified in 2.5. * Hiro, who gets busy with a princess, may not return to the present until 2.8. * Many questions about the season-one cliffhanger will be answered in 2.8, titled “Four Months Ago.” * Sylar leaves the series around 2.16 to play Spock in the movies but is expected to return at season’s end. * We’ll discover that several mutants share the same superpowers. * Stephen Tobolowski (Ned from “Groundhog Day”) is introduced as a Primatech boss. * The characters introduced in next April’s spinoff “Heroes: Origins” could join the mother show or be spun off into their own series. For those who overlooked Harry’s post on Saturday (or Kring’s announcement on G4’s “Attack fo the Show” earlier in the week), big-screen writer-directors John August (“The Nines”), Michael Dougherty (“Trick ‘r Treat”), Kevin Smith (“Clerks II”) and Eli Roth (“Hostel”) will be among those creating “Origins” episodes. Read all of the Jensen’s EW story here. Details we knew previously: * Kristen Bell, whose character may or may not be a lightning lass like Gwen Raiden, is slated to join the show with episode five. She’s to hang around for at least 13 episodes. * It looks like Primatech might be behind the virus that killed Mohinder’s sister. * Dominic Keating (“Enterprise”) plays a hero involved with mobsters in Ireland. * Dania Ramierez (who played the mutant Callisto in “X-Men: The Last Stand”) plays a northbound Central American criminal named Maya with a dangerous power that works with her superpowered twin Aldjandro (Puerto Rican/Dominican actor Shalim Ortiz). Kind of like Jayna and Zan on “Super Friends.” * David Anders (“Alias”) plays Hiro’s ancient Japanese idol, Takezo Kensei, who turns out to be a blonde, blue-eyed assassin with a British accent and a drinking problem. His real name may or may not be Kane. His superpower is revealed in 2.2; is he immortal? * Ando will find himself shuttling between New York and Japan, where Hiro is presumably leaving him clues from 400 years in the past. * Dana Davis (“The Nine”) will play Micah’s hot superpowered cousin Monica, who - post-Katrina - works in a New Orleans fast-food restaurant. Nichelle Nichols (“Star Trek”) will play Monica’s grandmother. * Claire’s new boyfriend, who has the same superpower as her biological dad, seems to have encountered Claire’s adoptive dad in the past. * Claire gets a new California cheerleading rival, May, played by Janel Parrish (“Bratz”) and a lesbian cheerleader pal named April. * Claire and Nikijessica will finally meet. * Jessica Collins (“The Nine”) will play a superpowered Primatech thug named Sophie. She speaks French. * Kristen Bell’s character, Elle, has ties to both the Bennet and Petrelli families. Behold NBC’s loglines for the first four episodes:
2.1 "FOUR MONTHS LATER..." - Sept. 24 AS THE EMMY-NOMINATED "HEROES" RETURNS, THE EXTRAORDINARY STRIVE TO BE ORDINARY FOUR MONTHS AFTER THE EXPLOSIVE EVENTS IN NEW YORK, BUT DEADLY NEW THREATS LOOM AS BRAND-NEW INDIVIDUALS WITH ABILITIES EMERGE WORLDWIDE -- WRITTEN BY EXECUTIVE PRODUCER/CREATOR TIM KRING AND DIRECTED BY EXECUTIVE PRODUCER GREG BEEMAN -- As the second volume of "Heroes" begins, the fates of Peter (Milo Ventimiglia), Nathan (Adrian Pasdar) and Matt (Greg Grunberg) are revealed, following the horrible showdown with Sylar (Zachary Quinto) and Peter's uncontrolled nuclear detonation miles above New York City. As everyone attempts to move on, a new sinister force begins stalking and murdering Heroes. With the family hiding in Southern California, H.R.G. (Jack Coleman) and Claire (Hayden Panettiere) attempt to live as inconspicuously as possible...which proves to be easier said than done. Meanwhile, after landing in feudal Japan, Hiro (Masi Oka) meets his hero Takezo Kensei (David Anders). Twins Maya (Dania Ramirez) and Alejandro Herrera (Shalim Ortiz) hope to make the crossing into the U.S. from Mexico, in hopes of finding help with their deadly abilities. Dana Davis, Noah Gray-Cabey, James Kyson Lee, Ali Larter, Sendhil Ramamurthy also star. Nick D'Agosto, Lyndsy Fonseca, Cristine Rose, Barry Shabaka Henley, George Takei, Eriko Tamura, Adair Tishler and Stephen Tobolowsky guest star. 2.2 "LIZARDS" - Oct. 1 AS MATT INVESIGATES THE DEATH OF ONE HERO, ANOTHER IS ATTACKED BY THIS NEW SINISTER FORCE STALKING THOSE WITH ABILITIES -- THE HAITIAN RETURNS -- DIRECTED BY EXECUTIVE PRODUCER ALLAN ARKUSH -- With one person dead, Matt (Greg Grunberg) enlists some unlikely help as the attacks continue on people with abilities. Claire's (Hayden Panettiere) efforts to hide her healing abilities at her new California high school are jeopardized by a fellow student with a secret of his own. As part of his new job, Dr. Suresh (Sendhil Ramamurthy) must track down The Haitian (guest star Jimmy Jean-Louis). While crossing into Mexico, Maya (Dania Ramirez) and Alejandro's (Shalim Ortiz) abilities prove to be a threat to those around them. Meanwhile, disappointed by his hero Kensei (David Anders), Hiro (Masi Oka) resolves to rectify any damage his presence in feudal Japan has done to history. And another lost Hero falls in with a gang of Irish gangsters with clues to his past. Jack Coleman, Dana Davis, James Kyson Lee, Adrian Pasdar, Zachary Quinto, Milo Ventimiglia also star. Nick D'Agosto, Katie Carr, Ashley Crow, Cristine Rose, Barry Shabaka Henley, Dominic Keating, Holt McCallany, Eriko Tamura, Adair Tishler and Stephen Tobolowsky guest star. 2.3 "KINDRED" - Oct. 8 BOTH IN PAST AND PRESENT, SEVERAL HEROES MAKE SHOCKING DISCOVERIES -- NIKI AND MICAH RETURN -- Upon his return to New York, Suresh (Sendhil Ramamurthy) is unnerved to find an undiscovered Issac Mendez painting that foretells death of someone close to him. Both Claire (Hayden Panettiere) and H.R.G. (Jack Coleman) pursue their own secret personal agendas. Determined to make it to the U.S., Maya (Dania Ramirez) uses her deadly abilities to free Alejandro (Shalim Ortiz) from a Mexican jail. Ando (James Kyson Lee) returns to his job in Japan and makes a happy discovery. Meanwhile, in Japan's past, just when Hiro (Masi Oka) had written off Kensei (David Anders), his childhood hero surprises him. Niki (Ali Larter) and Micah (Noah Gray-Cabey) leave Las Vegas in an attempt to start over. Later, Niki and a lost Hero individually strike shady bargains to reach their goals. Two familiar people with abilities make an unexpected return. Dana Davis, Noah Gray-Cabey, Greg Grunberg, Adrian Pasdar, Zachary Quinto, Milo Ventimiglia also star. Nick D'Agosto, Katie Carr, Ashley Crow, Cristine Rose, Barry Shabaka Henley, Dominic Keating, Holt McCallany, Eriko Tamura, Adair Tishler and Stephen Tobolowsky guest star. 2.4 "THE KINDNESS OF STRANGERS" - Oct. 15 AS SECRETS ABOUT THE PREVIOUS GENERATION OF HEROES ARE REVEALED, A NEW HERO EMERGES IN POST-KATRINA NEW ORLEANS -- While taking care of her brother Damon (guest star Carlon Jeffery), grandmother Nana (guest star Nichelle Nichols) and cousin Micah (Noah Gray-Cabey) between shifts at a local fast food joint, Monica Dawson (Dana Davis) begins to exhibit some unexpected new abilities. Angela Petrelli (guest star Cristine Rose) makes a shocking confession as new information about the previous generation of Heroes is revealed. With Molly's (guest star Adair Tishler) "boogyman" continuing to turn her dreams into nightmares, Matt (Greg Grunberg) asks her to put aside her fears and locate him on a map -- with terrible results. Suspecting Claire (Hayden Panettiere) has a new boyfriend, H.R.G. (Jack Coleman) fears for the future. As they get closer to the U.S., Maya (Dania Ramirez) and Alejandro (Shalim Ortiz) make a grim discovery on the road. David Anders, James Kyson Lee, Masi Oka, Adrian Pasdar, Zachary Quinto, Sendhil Ramamurthy, Milo Ventimiglia also star. Randall Bentley, Ashley Crow, Barry Shabaka Henley and Jimmy Jean-Louis guest star.
9 p.m. Monday. NBC.

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  • Sept. 24, 2007, 5:30 a.m. CST


    by Beltorak_69

    can't wait, and thanks to the internet this can be seen outside of the states :-)

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 5:31 a.m. CST


    by Pennsy

    And SECOND! is the new FIRST!

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 5:31 a.m. CST

    2nd is the new 1st

    by Darth_Scotsman

    Heroes better up its game...

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 5:33 a.m. CST

    Go Heroes!

    by TattooedBillionaire

    I can't wait for tonight!

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 5:37 a.m. CST

    Nathan returns with a giant beard

    by Napoleon Park

    So Katie Holmes-Cruise is on the show now?

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Nichelle Nichols

    by TattooedBillionaire

    Good to see more Star Trek alumn making appearances on Heroes. Now, we need to see Nimoy take on Sylar!

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 5:56 a.m. CST


    by chrth

    Not reading the spoilers, be back at 10pm EDT/9pm CDT. Excelsior!

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 6:04 a.m. CST


    by Pandas

    ...has one thing Peter didn't. A GREAT BIG BUSHY BEARD!

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 6:14 a.m. CST

    it starts again...

    by goku_z

    but wish they would show more than one episode a night.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 6:14 a.m. CST


    by The Tenth Doctor

    I'm really looking forward to the entire Monday Night NBC line-up. This should be great enough to make up for "Deal Or No Deal".

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 6:14 a.m. CST

    YAY! Although Fuller's departure makes me nervous.

    by Yeti

    One has to wonder if Claire's new lesbian friend will also "disapear" ala Zack once the network/manager/actor portraying the charecter realizes the charecter is gay.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Spoiler on Claire's ...

    by Hercules

    lesbian pal. The actress playing her got a job on Desperate Housewives, so Claire will make other friends.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 6:37 a.m. CST

    about time!

    by just pillow talk

    Yay lesbian friend! They've just one-upped season one already!

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Cha ching

    by Chewbaccalypse Now

    I think they should have the lesbian friend kiss Claire while trying to confess her unrequited love. Then the friend runs away in shame! (to work on desperate housewives) You know it would be promotional GOLD!

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 7:12 a.m. CST


    by 1st and only

    Is it me or did this show completly fall apart in the last third? Also, Why does everyone have to be linked to everyone!?it's infuriating!! Gonna take alot of good reviews to get me watching series 2.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Still a rip-off X-Men, 4400, Lost, and Watchmen?

    by BrowncoatJedi

    And Rising Stars. Are the writers and producers still feigning ignorance about where they are stealing their ideas?

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 8:15 a.m. CST

    This seasonThe Legacy Virus

    by arrangedletters

    I just can't wait to see what they do with the Clone Saga.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Bring back Christopher Eccleston!

    by SpyGuy

    Eccleston was great as Claude, so I hope he makes a return appearance sometime this season. <p>So welcome back, HEROES...You have a lot of work ahead of you to make up for that disappointing Season One finale, so don't let me down.</p> <p>Oh, and welcome back to all the "HEROES ripped off (Insert name of comic book or sci-fi series here)" posts. Thanks for pointing out something only four thousand of you have pointed out before.</p>

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Illegal Alien Heros?

    by rsswope

    Why just because they wanted Latino actors you have to make them illegal aliens? Is this how Hollywood looks at Hispanics today?

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    agreed Spyguy...

    by just pillow talk

    One would think Claude will make a reappearance at some point during the season. I'll also be curious to see what the Haitian has been up to. <p>Ripped off posts are the best...they just never get old.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Hey, with 20 million illegals here...

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    Oops, I mean, "undocumenteds" here, you've got to play the percentages, right? ;)

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 8:56 a.m. CST


    by Lain Of The Net finally back! Can't wait!!!

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9 a.m. CST

    Dang overspoilers

    by jimbojones123

    MUST RESIST--- I'll see if I can after lunch or not.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST

    I wonder who dies...

    by gorydon

    Probably Micah's dad/walk through walls guy...I really hope they don't blow it this season...And Peter with amnesia? Can't we make a law banning that contrived plot device. Really? It's like a writer's crutch to throw in drama...Does anyone not think Peter will get his memory back by the 5th or 6th episode if not sooner, and it will probably have something to do with Claire finding him and helping him remember...Man, I hope I'm wrong.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    And the R.I.P. Award seems to obviously go to...

    by Booster Gold Lives

    ...D.L., since Leonard Roberts isn't listed anywhere up there, either as an "also starring" or "guest starring." Plus, Niki and Micah leave Vegas to start over after...something. Now, is D.L. murdered, or does it take him four months and an episode to die from that gut shot? It's a shame, either way. Character had some potential.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST

    ^^^I agree

    by filmstu2005

    DL should not have been given the backseat. He had a kick ass power, and they're letting him go to waste. I would like to have seen him step out of his ex-con stereotype and become an important character. Oh well. HEROES SEASON 2 BABY! Let's get it on. It actually sounds pretty interesting and im hoping they dont blow it. I couldnt resist reading the spoilers. Damn curiousity.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:47 a.m. CST

    I'm guessing DL as well

    by Bloo

    I like the char. and I like the actor but I'm guessing that's who's going to bite it thus bringing Claire and Nikkijessica togather because the murderer will be Claire's boyfriend or lesbian galpal thus causing her to run off to DH. I'm just spitballing here though<P>oh and Hero's rips off Marvel and DC and doesn't give it credit, fess up Kring<P>there I've got it out

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Peter not flying

    by Dax_Bladerunner

    up to let himself explode at the end of season one made complete sense to me. Tim Kring is making a different kind of superhero in my opinion. If you'll notice both Peter and Sylar use there abilities one power at a time. Each ability takes a great deal of concentration. For Peter to have just flown up into the sky would have taken away from his trying so hard to restrain the explosion. Picture it like this.... you have to take the biggest piss of your life and your doing everything you can to hold it in. You know that no matter how hard you try to hold it in, you're going to have to take that piss anyway. Now, knowing how badly you have to pee, but you are doing everything you can to hold it in, go make an attempt to do something else that takes a great deal of concentration and strength... like bench 300lbs or run a mile. <p> If anything, I call more BS on Sylar stopping the bullets in the final than anything else.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    I fear for the Fuller-less 2nd season too

    by veritasses

    but I'm keeping my fingers crossed....

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST

    thats a lot o' spoilers right there

    by INWOsuxRED

    I don't think I can handle knowing the next four episodes. Can't wait for this show to start.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Great TV tonight! What

    by Omar B

    Great TV tonight! What heros needs is a speedster now though. Yeah, I love Flash, but really, a speedster in the mix would be cool, maybe even make him a villain and only Hiro can fight him because he can bend time.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:26 a.m. CST

    I wanna know what DL's mom can do

    by MetiphisLabs

    Remember when Nikki said "You have no idea what I am capable of." to her and all grandma did was give an amused look back at her? Yeah she's got some crazy shit up her sleeve.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:31 a.m. CST


    by yesiamaplant

    X-Men hardly has a monopoly on genetically superior people, the Watchmen connection wasn't even original in Watchmen, the 4400 was a show about alien abduction, and Lost is a show about a bunch of people trapped on an island. Yep, you really nailed it on those ones.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Sylar was NOT manipulating events...

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    I love how writers claim that their audience did not catch a certain undertone whenever they want to recton something....

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Tim Kring explained the Peter not flying thing as

    by CrichtonAstronut

    Peter was using all his concentration to keep from exploding and if he diverted his attention to access another power it would cause him to explode immediately. Though I agree, that point should have been made more clearly in the episode. And the Hiro stabbing Sylar scene could probably have been handled better as well. Apart from those bits I thought it did a decent rapping up the other subplots while offerinbg some intrguing new potential storylines. Best being the promised "Worse than Sylar" bogie man. And of course the return Sylar himself. Also, the prommised appearance of Kristen Bekll is a can't miss moment.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Tim Kring explained the Peter not flying thing as

    by CrichtonAstronut

    Peter was using all his concentration to keep from exploding and if he diverted his attention to access another power it would cause him to explode immediately. Though I agree, that point should have been made more clearly in the episode. And the Hiro stabbing Sylar scene could probably have been handled better as well. Apart from those bits I thought it did a decent rapping up the other subplots while offerinbg some intrguing new potential storylines. Best being the promised "Worse than Sylar" bogie man. And of course the return Sylar himself. Also, the prommised appearance of Kristen Bell is a can't miss moment.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST

    And yes, Bring Back Eccelston. Claude was the coolest

    by CrichtonAstronut

    Hero on last season. He can be the grumpier badasser Professor X/yoda of the Heroes.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Fuller will be back

    by fiester strikes back

    After "Pushing" gets canceled.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    DL Already Died!

    by Elvis Costello

    Didn't he?

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    thought and other ish

    by wykedengel

    first, a hardy welcome to everyone who will be taking the season 2 journey, whether you're a fan or foe, i think this is going be an awesome ride. i just have a few points i want to make and then i will shut up until later on tonight: 1) gorydon - not sure if you watched season one (s1), but damn, you should be able to remember the names of the characters at this point. additionally, i think peter with amnesia is cool. you have a totally super-powered badass who doesn't know that he is a super-powered badass. imagine the shit that could hit the fan with that one if someone like sylar or the "boogeyman" got a hold of him. 2) booster - i hope they don't kill off dl too soon; however, he seems to have fulfilled the whole, "i got my revenge on the guy that fucked up my life..." role. i agree, his character had some potential. 3) stereotypical characters - i guess nbc wants to try the shotgun approach to ratings: bring in every stereotypical character to appeal to every demographic: we got lesbians, hispanics, african americans, teens, old people, drug users (wait we killed off the doper didn't they *smile*); peeps with split personalities and asians. i mean, the only things we need is the boogeyman to be a total racist, sexist antisemite who kills because he wants to keep the current president in office to further some civil war and we have the makings of a blockbuster! 4) if they where going with latina steretypes, could they not have used cheech martin? 5) to the whole virus thing; is this to tie in that could it be the g virus from resident evil that infects nikki/jessica and she turns into like a 2-headed zombie? 6) sylar is not dead, but he is not the supreme badass we all thought he would be? could the boogeyman be out for him as well? 7) i always wondered (and maybe someone brought this up in another tb) if sylar got to nikki/jessica, would he then have another person inside of him? okay, i'm done blabbering...i am SO STOKED...

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST


    by JediFredi

    ...could be either a complete rip-off of or homage to the Legacy Virus of X-Men. I'm pulling for homage since there is so much X-mennish stuff going on here!

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Keep on ripping off other Superheros

    by AlwaysThere

    It's got them to a second season so they might as well continue.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    All I have on NBC tonight is Monday Night Football!!

    by L.H.Puttgrass


  • Sept. 24, 2007, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Oh well. Maybe the Saints will win...

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    ...or not.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    I guess I'll have to wait until Saturday.

    by L.H.Puttgrass

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Um, It's "Teen Wolf Too", Herc

    by FilmCritic3000

    Between Quint claiming that he calls Mountain Dew's new flavor a unique name when THAT'S THE NAME OF THE SODA to this, this site needs to start paying closer attention to what they're posting. Granted, it's not rocket science but take some time to get things rights, guys.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    I won't read it! Can you set Firefox to...

    by SantiagoAtez

    ...not allow a link to work? Seriously, I'm a whore for will power whatsoever. I need to activate some "parental control" option or something to lock me out of spoiling this show.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 1:01 p.m. CST


    by Mooly

    Wow. I was already hyped about Heroes return and now I can't wait until tonight. I called the whole Peter thing during the finale talkback. It's clear that Peter has no control over his emotions and that resulted in his lack of control with the exploding power. If he lost control of the exploding power, why should we believe he could start using other powers? As for more watchmen rip-off...good. If you are going to make a superhero show and want it to be great, watchmen is the way to go. ALthough I wonder how much of this new "virus" storyline is going to be "borrowing" from the legacy virus story line from Marvel. Stryfe, the time travelling chlone of Cable, tricks Mr. Sinister into thinking he has the DNA of the Summers family. Instead, one of Sinister's scientists opens the canister and releases a virus that could potentially kill all mutants.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST


    by TheThirdMan

    The 4400 has nothing to do with alien abduction, and Heroes, without a doubt, contains many elements from every show and comic you mentioned.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Can't wait

    by Grendel745

    So what if Heroes has elements of Watchmen, Rising Stars etc? Doesn't change the fact that I enjoy the hell out of the show and look forward to it each week. It might be different if it was a bad ripoff, but its not. Several of the first season episodes were extremely well done and Company Man was brilliant. I especially like how they made you feel some degree of sympathy for the "bad guy" without redeeming him or having him turn into a good guy. Personally I hope they go with a few smaller story arcs though as opposed to a season long one. Kind of like how comics will have epic "written for the trades" story arcs as well as smaller one or two issue arcs.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST

    It's not just you, 1st and Only

    by Savage Lucy

    I agree with 1st, the show completely unraveled during the final few episodes of last season. Up until that point, it was some of the best television I've ever seen. The anticlimactic season finale made me swear off the show for good. And reading these spoilers, it doesn't look like I'll be missing much.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    ok, just write a book

    by OrionMoon

    Seriously. As a lover of great dialog, I watch "Heroes" for the story. Very few of the actors do anything for me and most times it's painful to sit through the crappy writing....and I was the voice over artist for the MTV VMAs this year. I had to sit through Britney's performance twice. I know pain. -September

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    quit complaining

    by DickGrayson007

    Everyone is complaining that "Heroes" is a rip-off of different comic concepts, no duh, Peter is easily a cross between Poet of "Rising Stars" and Sync from "Generation X" but that doesn't mean the show sucks and if you look around most shows or movies have a premise that is plucked right out of a comic book so for everyone who's beating a dead horse, let it go man. Also, what makes you think a show about superheroes is gonna suffer from the loss of one writer when they have one of the best writers in comics today in Jeph Loeb writing for the show.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST

    I like Fuller, but I don't like what he wanted for Zach

    by Drath

    It kind of annoys me that Fuller wanted Zach to be gay when the character seemed to be in love with Claire the whole time. That Fuller made such a big "oh the actor is a homophobe" fuss about it seemed especially petty since not only had the actor played gay people before, but frankly the only character suggesting he was gay on the show was a mean girl who was using it all as an insult each time. I have gay friends how wanted him to end up with Claire and were glad when the gaybashing girl died, yet Fuller seemed to have an agenda that clearly wasn't working the way he thought it was. I know the actor is playing John Conner now, but that show is doomed to be cancelled being a Sci-Fi show on FOX, so I hope the writers disregard Fuller's bitterness and bring Zach back later. He was like Ando, a good companion to one of our lead characters, and I missed him in the second half of season 1. Create a new gay character if that's the golden prize, but let him stay in love with Claire as that was where that story line really needed to go. I am so glad Fuller is working on his own show again though, and I hope Pushing Daisies survives. *********************************** Sylar was controlling things at the end of last season? Sorry, that sounds like retconning to me. There were problems with last years finale (though much of it was simply a lack of Dinosaurs fighting ninjas in the NY strteets), so I guess if they can fix it after the fact then great. But forgive me for having doubts that it was all intentional.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    This show is turning to shit...

    by wolvenom

    I'm not impressed by what they're trying to do with the second season so far, but I'll save my criticisms until I watch a few more episodes. They really need to get rid of niki. The actress is a floozy who couldn't act her way out of a paper bag. Personally, I find her character to be the cigarette smell wafting through a restaurant that completely ruins what was an otherwise great meal. Her stupid whiz kid offspring needs to go to. LASTLY, kring with a bigger budget better have the fucking sense to up the special effects and x-men geek factor. LISTEN UP KRING, WE DONT WANT FUCKING DAYS OF OUR LIVES WHEN WE WATCH YOUR SHOW! And that is said with all sincerity.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 6:01 p.m. CST


    by Pennsy

    Use it! :)

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Don't get me wrong

    by TheThirdMan

    While I said that Heroes contains elements of X-Men, 4400, Lost, etc., I still think it is a pretty entertaning show, regardless of the flimsy season finale. I do hope they can surprise us and deliver an even better second season.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Hold up.

    by dance4days

    The "worse than Sylar" boogieman is revealed in 2.5... and Kristen Bell makes her debut in 2.5... could SHE be the villain?

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 8:48 p.m. CST

    "This is going to be tough."

    by Pennsy

    Aw, hells yeah, Hiro.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 8:51 p.m. CST


    by Pennsy

    He's the one Molly's scared shitless of!

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 8:56 p.m. CST

    HRG Guy: Not you normal Copy Kingdom employee...

    by Pennsy

    Damn frakkin' straight.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 8:57 p.m. CST


    by cyrent

    zomg! Hiro's dad is dead.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9 p.m. CST


    by majortom25

    Peter is back . I nireland and with no memory but hes back

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9 p.m. CST

    HOLY SHIT! x 2!!!

    by Pennsy

    Say it ain't so, Sulu...

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:01 p.m. CST

    wow, nice season opener

    by Magic Rat

    the put the can on the table. But what is in the can? Find out over the next six months....

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST

    only one lesbian?

    by punto

    does not compute. you need at least 2 lesbians to have them be "real" lesbians, otherwise it'll be just like that dude from season 1 who was gay but never got any (or like 90% of gay characters on TV right now)

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:03 p.m. CST


    by NudeandAroused

    Very strong opener. Actually caught season 1 finale again. Much better than I thought originally. This show is growing.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    dance4days, I picked up on that too

    by Bloo

    wrote a post about it around noon central time and somehow it never made it, probably my computer

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST


    by eggbeater

    I'm usually not one to come on this site and bitch but I hated this episode. Hiro's character has become a joke. The writers are trying so desperately to make him cute and innocent. It's annoying. And the writing in this episode just sucked. Aliens or robots?! What the fuck was that? And then the cliched boss at HRG's job. Come on. The only interesting character in this episode was Kensi. That guy did a good job. Also Parkmans character still has some life in him. I'm not giving up on this show quite yet but they better start blowing me away. I miss Lost

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST

    little dissapointed

    by lofe101

    I can see you!! stole that one right from lord of the rings. Nathan really sucks at acting. i still have hope this season will be good though.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    An explosive case of amnesia!

    by chrth

    Thoughts:<p> Ando sportin' the 'do.<p> Hiro:Kensei::Peter:Claude::Us:Bored<p> Did Tim Kring get beat up by cheerleaders in high school? Get over it dude!<p> My voice is my passport.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Good way to kick off the season.

    by TattooedBillionaire

    I thought it was a good episode, but I could have gone without Takei dying. He's too awesome to be killed. I hope Hiro goes back in time (or the future, in this case) to save him. We need more Takei!

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    A decent opener...

    by TheThirdMan

    Nothing spectacular. Raised enough questions to keep me wanting more though.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Jack Sparrow goes to Japan

    by ScotFree

    I liked most of the episode, but gawd, the Kensei character ticked me off. They didn't even try to hide his Jack Sparrowness, down to being slapped across the face by a woman out of nowhere. Other than that, I liked it (except for the Nissan commercials played three at a time...enough already!)

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    god damn west coast!

    by BadMrWonka

    I'M NOT READING ANYTHING!!! I'll be here at 10pm PST...and I gotta find a way to get talkback working on my blackberry so I can pass time at work tomorrow chatting with all of you bastidges...<p>looking forward to the return of chrth, ororo, ikamono, napoleanb and the rest...our lives have meaning again! (don't pretend your kid is more imnportant, chrth...)

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Way too many damn spoilers

    by chrth

    But at least Reed is on the show!

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST

    He's right....Sauron is back!!!

    by BetaRayBill07

    And damn is Sulu dead?? That sucks.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Goddammit, did Bell show up right at the end of the

    by Pennsy

    episode? My DVR shut down right at 10PM; was it one of those 10:01 deals?

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    so what is the mexican chick's power?

    by Magic Rat

    is she some sort of brain melter or something?

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Yeah, kill Nikki...

    by gorydon

    And Micah too...Have the new baddie do it so it seems like he's this pure evil being. And do it in the couple of episodes. Also kill Claire's new boyfriend. And also kill the Kensei and have Hiro do all of the heroic acts he was supposed to do...Let's just call this the season of death.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Sneakers is a great flick

    by chrth

    Everytime I watch it I can't but get angry at River Phoenix.<p> Plus it stars the inimitable Donal Logue, who will be playing the lead in my aforementioned rib-generating TV show, Pyramid.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    It stinks!

    by Lord Megorious

    That was bad. Really bad. I don't think I'm going to waste my time with this show anymore. Someone should wave a skunk in front of "Heroes" because it stinks.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Dark Phoenix?


    are they going for a phoenix thing with peter... The pictures that the girl drew to me seemed like peter, not sure why just a hunch. from my recolection it seemed like by the end of the picture progression there were flames in his eyes. also the whole saving the day only to dissapear and come back with some sort of amnesia seems kind of phoenix esque. I also got kind of a dark sinister vibe from him. I could be wrong about some of this, some stuff went by a little quick (ex. the pictures didn't really mean much to me at the time) but in the end I got the phoenix vibes

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    that totally put me to sleep.

    by chiahead

    only slightly less boring than the finale

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:40 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Profit

    I said the same thing outloud in my living room and my family didn't understand what I was referencing. Glad I'm not the only one who watches Futurama LOL... <p>Either way decent episode, but they needed more action and powers and less talking. And I hope this bootleg Legacy Virus storyline isnt the main theme of the season. Finally, Claire punked out in the gym, the paper sales boss reminded me of the "Lost" Locke episode where his boss was a jackass, and Chuck wasn't bad at all.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST

    And shit was that NBC and Nissan trying to....

    by Mr. Profit

    Brainwash us into buying their shitty new car? It was annoying when Claire yelled "THE ROGUE!" when her dad gave her the car. It was unrealistic. 30 Rock summed up product placement best with their Snapple joke.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Great premiere

    by Charlie Murphy

    lots going on. was that nathan who bumped into Ando? but what's with the nissan product placement? i fucking doubt cops in whatever country that was drives fucking nissans.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST


    by MichaelM

    Add Heroes to the list of shows (30 Rock and Arrested Development) who have spoofed product placement so hilari... what? That wasn't a spoof? Oh... Well, I'm gonna go watch AD and eat some Burger King.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Not bad! Kensei... Brother & Sister...

    by D_T

    Not bad, plenty of good setups - Sulu!?!?! Oh no, hehehe. The Two-Face visualization in Nathan's head (*assuming* it was just psychological?) was interesting. Yeah, that was definitely him that pushed past Ando, near the fountain. Love HRG - one of my favorite characters (opinions on him being a super?). Kensei - I think what we're going to see here is Hiro is the Kensei of legend (we already know the real guy falls short of the tales). The B&S/Twins - just thinking out loud about their power. Seems like without the brother present the sister has some kind of "scanner pulse" that smokes everybody.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Dark Phoenix...a double-turn?

    by Pennsy

    In pro wrestling speak; if Peter is the one Molly sees, and he goes bad, will Sylar then somehow turn semi-good and we'll have the sequel to their anticlimactic fight as the season 2 finale?

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Mr. Profit

    by Ribbons

    He looked kind of like Locke's boss from that box company, but he reminded me of Bob Parr's boss in 'The Incredibles' more than anything else (partially because of the "undercover" subplot), especially when Bennett roughed him up.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:20 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    ...if reading other people talking about Heroes' "inspirations" makes little veins bulge out on any of your necks, my apologies. But I thought the episode was decent-ish and I'm not trying to diss it by pointing out said similarities.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:25 p.m. CST

    lots of set-up for potential greatness

    by waggy

    molly's boogeyman, the parents' dark secret, HRG and mohinder going after the company, claire playing the veronica mars role, nathan playing the drunk beared jack sheppard role. can't wait to see how all this plays out!

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Hey Jeph, ten bucks to Michael Morcock

    by Smerdyakov

    For ripping off the plot of "Behold the Man"

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Bell as Heroes' Big Bad would rock more than anything

    by Pennsy

    that has ever rocked before.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST

    I hope everyone meets again before the season's end

    by Mullah Omar

    Of course there could be a lot going on behind the scenes, but I wish there was more proactive cooperation among the heroes.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    The Rogue?

    by shatfanat

    C'mon...Rogue? REALLY?!? In a show that is, in theory, so much like X-Men? Ridiculous product placement. That marketing firm should be fired on the spot. About the Peter-Dark Phoenix thing...with Heroes playing so much like X-Men, does anyone really think the writers could pull that off without some kind of huge fan upheaval? The twins' "scanner pulse" thing is what I was thinking during the episode.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST Bourne???

    by Mike_D

    I saw a bit of X-Men in this episode (with the virus killing only people with powers), a bit of Jack Sparrow...and at the end, a bit of Bourne Identity.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST

    White Samurai guy

    by Insane Tiki

    You can tell they're going to go for a total Jack Sparrow vibe from that guy. Add that to the list of stuff they've ripped off from comics/movies. (Watchmen ending, Evil Dead 2 ending, etc.)

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns to Heroes

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    Yes, the Super-stalker of Mr. Singer's crapfest has de-oldified and is now hanging outside Claire's window...<br><br>Apparently, Lois Lane's restraining order came through.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Maybe they figure nobody else has seen this stuff

    by Insane Tiki

    That's why they rip off geek culture so liberally

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Parkman's training exercise...

    by For the love of Claire Bennets regenerating hymen

    *cough*DANGER ROOM*cough*

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 11:18 p.m. CST

    bacci40, RE Zach

    by Drath

    Believe me, I have gaydar, and Zach didn't come off as gay, so they failed at that, and frankly they should have dropped it and made up a different gay character because Zach worked much better as someone attracted to Claire but with some secret that made him "different." Frankly, I was sure he had a power of his own, and I still think that would be better than "oh, let's make him the wise gay boy with insight into accepting your identity." And if you think the actor was afraid of playing gay when he had already done so in previous roles, you're the idiot.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    I think I could make a argument that X-Men ripped off..

    by gorydon

    The Greek and Roman gods. As far as powers and abilities go anyway...Really, you don't have to be totally original to have a great product, you just need to have a quality product that takes from the best and acknowledges that there are others that came before it...Like having Stan Lee be a bus driver and having a pivotal event take place at "Kirby" plaza. Homages to your predecessors.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    I'm at a loss....

    by Merlox

    I just HATE to be this guy...I really do. But this episode was barely ok. It was on the level of the finale. Can I just say Legacy Virus and leave it at that? Let me just get that out of my system up front. I don't wanna be the "Heroes is ripping (insert whatever here)" guy. But there are just way too many similar themes that are popping up one after another now. And the product placement as obvious and painfully forced as it was wasn't as bad as NISSAN VERSA shouted in every early ep last season. The needed to open with a BANG after last seasons finale, but they seemed content to continue the whimper. I really like Heroes....I do...and I think I just get so frustrated when I watch it because you can just see the potential. It's all over the place and it's great, but it never seems to really connect. I think it comes down to the ridiculous bitchy cheerleader(again) routine sequence, oh look another shitty power-tripping (and poorly acted) boss, and the completely terribly written death scene of Hiros father. So they throw themselves off a building? That's it? Am I the only one to find that pretty anti climactic? sigh...I'm sorry...I just hate to be the voice of disappointment. But tonight COULD have been awesome. It SHOULD have been.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 11:47 p.m. CST

    This show is.......

    by Doc_Strange


  • Sept. 24, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Uggg, Frakin' Nissan

    by ArcherNX01

    How many times are they going to play this stupid Labyrinth commercial???

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Slow down people!!!

    by Ka Dargo

    Ripping on it after the premiere? Heelllooooo???..its called build-up. Don't they have like 22 episodes to work all the stuff in? I agree about the cheerleader stuff being shitty but i guess they gotta work Claire in the show. And damn that new mexican hero is a hottie!!Get her cleaned up pronto!!!The flyin kid was cool.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 11:53 p.m. CST

    im surprised

    by slkboxrman

    that most of u are still alive because if i thought as much about something as u people think about this i think my head would explode.. who cares if heroes borrows elements from other shows ? i dont.... its not a carbon copy and as far as super powers go, is there anything original left ? how bout a man that can make his penis any length at will, and wield it like a sword ?? thats original aint it....ok and now would someone please tell me what MEH means ? is it another geek term or something like EMO ....u all know real people dont use words like that .....just sayin.....heroes rocks, and u would all enjoy it better if u stop analyzing it.....

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 11:55 p.m. CST

    You fanbois hand me a laugh

    by dasaroo

    Name ANY comic book or superhero movie and there are probably a dozen instances of ripping off earlier books or films. Please. Everything is derivative of or an homage to, what has come before. There's very little that is truly original.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Oh, and that Maya chick..

    by dasaroo

    is totally smokin' hot. She made MY eyeballs bleed.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 12:19 a.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    to add to the list of ethnic stereotypes (black=petty criminal, japanese=nerd/samurai, cop=fat) now we have illegal alien latinos? jesus christ.<p>the shit with the cheerleaders was poorly written, poorly acted, and poorly placed. seriously, you could have thought of something WAY better to accomplish the same thing. why the fuck didn't they just walk away from the bitchy cheerleader? sigh.<p>nathan's arc might be interesting, but he was SUCH A CLICHE in this episode. <p>Hiro in ancient times could be interesting, but don't you think they could have shown us everything they needed to in about 5 minutes, rather than the 15 they spent? I suppose if the white samurai has a power, as was hinted at for next week, it might make more sense to have invested more time in him.<p>the copy mart shit was ridiculous. give HRG more of a foil than a horribly written, overacting moron with a moustache. retarded.<p>TOO MANY CLOSE-UPS!!! and someone should tell mediocre writers that their mediocre lines look worse than mediocre when you do a quick dolly up under the actor's chin right before it. it makes it look cheesy, and for a comic book hero tv show, that's saying a lot.<p>why bring peter back right now? why not leave it at the vision nathan has in the mirror. make us all speculate. THAT'S WHY SEASON 1 WAS SO GOOD!!! they gave you a hint like that, and let it marinate for a week. this time, it marinated for 6 minutes through a nissan commercial. fucking horrible.<p>I think this episode was easily worse than ANY single episode of season 1. I will go on a limb and say that I actually did not enjoy it. it was fun to see the heroes back, but it looks like they were all taking stupid pills for the last 4 months, thanks to some really poor writing, pacing and directing. color me severely disappointed.<p>here's hoping next week turns it around...I'm very scared that this show might have blown its load last season. showing peter off in the first episode was the single worst choice this show has made thus far. much worse than the casting of mohinder. that bitch is growing on me. the writers of this show are not.<p>my disappointment is my passport. PLEASE verify me...

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Why do Hispantics on TV

    by Smerdyakov

    Always get with stuck with really stupid corny dialogue. These two were one step below Tattoo crying "Boss, the Plane, the Plane"

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 12:24 a.m. CST

    yeah, that actress was WAY hotter in Heroes

    by oisin5199

    than when she was all leathered and pierced in X-Men 3. Callisto my ass. Some interesting stuff in the premiere, most things people mentioned already. I also immediately thought Legacy Virus. If you're gonna steal, steal from the best. Watchmen and X-Men. But when Sulu said 'I never thought it would be you', I had to laugh - so hokey, but yet straight out of a comic book ending. Say it with me: "You!" Also, HRG still = badass. And what happened to Parkman's baby?

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 12:36 a.m. CST

    This Didn't Need To Be Big

    by Playhouse

    The great thing about Heroes is it is a continuing story. And this premiere only goes to show that. I actually found it much more effective than if they tried to have some slam-bang opener, a bunch of filler (though good filler), followed by a knock-down season finale - aka the Smallville formula (a show which I still dearly love despite and maybe because of its flaws). Heroes does the rare thing and actually creates the feeling of a continuing story. To steal their chapter device, this feels like you're still reading the same book while a lot of shows feel like you're jumping into a sequel from season to season. I thought that feeling worked in Heroes favor with this episode. Did it make for the most exciting episode? No. But it bridges well to the next storylines.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Ned Ryerson "The Man with the Golden Spoon"

    by Shadowhawk

    It is always, ALWAYS a pleasure to see Stephen Tobolowsky in a movie, or TV show. I love that for the first time in his career, he's NOT the dorky annoying guy.... at least so far!

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Good point, Playhouse

    by Ribbons

    Is starting with a bang, followed by a series of peaks and valleys (according to sweeps and so on and so forth) really the best way to go? Or is a slow burn better in the long run? I think "Heroes" is burdened with the weight of expectations in this case, but it'll probably play much better on DVD, when people can set their own pace.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 12:54 a.m. CST

    this was completely awful

    by dragon-lord

    I was hoping the abysmally mishandled season finale was a blip in what had been a flawless season. But if this is how we START season two, this show is already dead. Poor acting, poor writing, cliche scenes, EVEN MORE stereotypes, the melodramatic AMNESIA "character" moment AND a lift right out of A KNIGHT'S TALE AND yet another split personality character?!...and not a damned interesting twist or beat anywhere. BLEH. What the hell happened to this show at the end of last season? Did the studio kill the only writer who knew what he was doing or something?!

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Keating was fun, but MEH

    by GregoryHarbin

    I'm not really sure why I'm still watching Heroes. It's a mediocre show from start to finish. There's JUST enough cool parts to keep me tuning in, I guess.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 1:07 a.m. CST

    How old is the little girl who plays Molly?

    by Ribbons

    I wouldn't necessarily call her performance "mature"... but the actress herself has this weird, sort of worldly quality. Anyhoo, I wonder if she *is* the boogeyman. I might be reading too much into it, but her outburst at the dinner table seemed kind of ominous to me.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 1:30 a.m. CST


    by SelfSentered

    has anyone else noticed that this is the SAME story as last year? someone is going around knocking off super powered people. It will be a mystery...until they reveal it in episode 5 or whatever. Watchmen rip-off aside (the blowing up New York thing was a much bigger affront, IMO), it's just the same fucking thing. And Nathan's beard is so stupid looking it looks like he bought it from Eric Idle on theyway to the stoning.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 1:56 a.m. CST

    As soon as I saw...

    by Napoleon Park

    As soon as I saw the kid that nearly hit Claire, sits next to her in Darwin class and nearly catches her fixing her broken leg, my reaction to his face and haircut is Hey it's that guy that plays clark on Smallboy. Then he starts hovering voyeurisitically outside Claire-Bears window and flies away and I sprained my arm patting myself on the back.<p> I liked the car commercial, but I bet it pissed off some fans that the ad had better special effects (and probably a bigger budget) than the average episode of Heroes.<p> Alias + Jake 2.0 = Chuck.<p> "It doesn't have to make literal comprehensible sense, it's a time travel series" = Journeyman.<p> Chuck was fun, Jman kind of a yawner, but congrats to National Universal for trying an espionage/super-hero-time traveler sci-fi/fantasy block of genre shows on one night. Now cancel Journeyman and put Medium back on Mondays after Heroes like they should have done in the first place last year, and they'll have something.<p> I do enjoy the idea of dropping Hiro down in the middle of an episode of Xena, but what will Ando do now?<p> Oh, and they totally ripped off the idea of putting their Peter-In-A-Box from that T'mberlake SNL Digital Short.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 2:35 a.m. CST


    by soup74

    lets say you watch an old ep of leave it to beaver, or brady bunch, and its entertaining, but you cant help but think.. "yeah, thats fun, but no really acts like that, good thing we have tv today where people act like they really would in real life." <br> <br> then you watch heroes and see the 'copy king' sniviling boss and cant help but think.. "yeah, thats fun to see him get his comeupance, but no one really acts like that..."

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Some of you...

    by hammerofthegods32

    are a bunch of whiny bitches. So everything the show does, you dumbasses think it ripped it off. Jack Sparrow? WTF? Because he was a British douchebag? Gee, didn't know all British guys who get slapped in films or shows are ripoffs of Pirates. THX for clarifying that. Bourne? Like no one ever had amnesia before the Bourne books or movies. Dark Phoenix? So, you guys are criticizing the show for ripping off X-Men for a plot point that isn't even true yet and is basically one you idiots' imagination? Wow. First fucking episode. Get over yourselves. And they weren't illegal aliens jackasses. First of all, they were in their own country. They were on the run because they were wanted for murder and were trying to get into the US.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 2:47 a.m. CST

    'The 24 Method Versus the Lost Method' or 'Wow, Awful!'

    by topaz4206

    Remember that quote from Mr. Kring saying that they would be following the "24 model, rather than the Lost model" of storytelling? In other words, a reboot every season?<br><br>So much for that. Keeping Sylar alive for 16 more episodes is a yawn-inducing copout. So many "plot"-lines this episode that each character got about 6 poorly-written minutes of screen time.<br><br>I loved Season 1, warts and all, but the only thing more shocking than how bad this was, is that people are actually defending it.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 3:04 a.m. CST

    don't listen to the geeks

    by zooch

    This show is great the way it is. I think it's important it stays grounded and does not turn into too much of a geeky special- effects driven show. We still love the character-driven drama! Also people are so quick to point out whatever similarities to the comics they can come up with, but they aren't so quick to point out this show's many originalities. There has never been live-action superhero show on tv this good ever, so can we stop complaining now, please?

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Please kill Claire's mother

    by MrEkoLetMeLive

    Yeesh. That woman can bring even the most entertaining episode to a grinding halt. Aside from that, dug the episode. Bummer they killed George, but hopefully that just means he has more free time to make appearances on the Stern Show. Thought tonight's episode was just fine. Some nice build up, picked up loose threads from last season, intro'd some new characters, lots of foreshadowing. All in all a fairly satisfying hour of television. Yeah, so they rip off stuff from previous comic book works. But you know what? My mom loves Heroes, and she's never read a comic book in her life. So if she gets exposed to some great comic book storytelling conventions through this show, that she wouldn't otherwise, then that's just fine by me. And it makes the show that much richer an experience for me, because I know where they're cribbing from. It brings geeks and non geeks together. What a wonderful, if not smelly and slightly socially maladjusted stew!

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 4:07 a.m. CST

    "You're evil, Ma."

    by American Mythos

    Best line of the night by Nathan. Haha. It made me think of how many times I've told my own mother the same. But anyway, I friggin' loved this episode. Maybe my judgment is clouded because Heroes is finally back, but I loved it. Was Peter wearing the Haitian's necklace? Looked like it. Plus, his memory has been wiped, which, if the Haitian did it, is irreversible. Or so we've been told. The episode I'm most looking forward to is the flashback one to right after the finale. Should explain a great deal. And I don't want to call anyone a geek and be flamed, but there is way too much complaining about plot similarities. Yes, I notice them too, but it doesn't really bother me. I doubt it bothers a majority of the audience. Heroes is a highly rated show. Do you think every one of those viewers is a comic book fan? No, in fact a majority are probably people who've never read a comic book. They just come home, kick off their boots from a hard day, and want to be entertained. And plot similarities or not, you can't deny that Heroes is pulling off a genre that has never been executed so successfully on TV until now. And as a last thought, I'm willing to bet money that Kaito's killer is, dun dun dun -- Takezo Kensei. Think about it, Kaito did have that look of betrayal. Kensei is going to be revealed as an immortal.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 4:12 a.m. CST


    by Dutchster

    Anyways. I really don't understand this whole 'OMFG! TOTALL RIP OF <insert previous superhero story>. How many more original powers can they come up with? Every single thing that will be made in the future that includes superpowers will have already been done. 4400 is guilty of it, The Incredibles, heck, even Lost (predicting future?). Lighten the fuck up.<br><br>About the episodes, I liked it, but didn't love it. I might be a sucker for action, so I think they could've upped that a bit more. All in all though, it had great set-ups.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 5:08 a.m. CST

    Pretty good opener

    by Ironmuskrat

    No super surprises, mostly just setup, which is fine with me. Hiro's adventure in old Japan was better then I expected. Hiro's dad getting whacked was a bit of a surprise, you would think people would learn to stay off that roof, nothing but bad shit happens there. Since it is the first episode I will refrain from too much nitpicking. I have to say though,if it is HRG guy's intention to lay low and hide out he might want to find a incognito place for his family to live. Its hardly the kind of house a wage earner in California would be living in.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Kring should just defer

    by The Selecter

    and let the other writers handle the actual writing of the episodes. The lackluster episodes, like the finale, were all penned by him, while the best so far have been written by others.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 5:21 a.m. CST


    by jojo-pimp

    Terrible waste of an hour. Last season's finale was pointless cause pretty much everyone frickin no real sense of loss or threat there. Same old characters except those 2 boring mexicans! Yep...sophomore curse here I smell!

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Par for the course

    by JackSack

    Meh, it was par for the course for Heroes as far as "setup" episodes goes. This show has always been, at its worst, just entertaining enough to watch and at its best highly entertaining. There's 20+ episodes to get through this season. I'd rather they not blow their wad in the first 4 episodes like 24 did last season and then run out of gas by the mid-season mark. One thing I like about Heroes is that they'll have an episode and then they'll double back a few weeks later to give you different perspective on that episode. Looks like they are doing that this year again with the episode 4 months earlier (or whatever the fuck its called). RIP George Takai. Hopefully they bring him back in a flashback episode. He was great in Heroes.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 6:45 a.m. CST

    it was okay

    by just pillow talk

    I have to agree with BadMrWonka...a stupid move showing Pete alive already. They could have left us hanging on that one, but we'll see what next episode brings. I do like the fact that some of them are still in contact with one another...HRG - Mohinder...Mohinder-Parkman...I'm not sure if Parkman knows about HRG/Mohinder's plan, but I would think so. <p>I've gotta say, I would have expected Sulu to wait somewhere else for Ando and the sword instead of, um, on top of a tall building. Where the killer could easily throw him off the building. Where was Scotty to beam him the hell outta there?? Damn you Scotty. Now the killer was either (a) be able to fly (b)has healing ability (c)is indestructible.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 6:54 a.m. CST

    New questions to answer

    by Alphi1

    It seems that the episode raised a few questions - either that, or they just did it to eliminate characters. Questions like: Why was Parkman divorced? When we last left them (if memory serves) they seemed to be reconciling. Why was Nathan divorced? Especially now that his wife's paralysis has been healed (by Linderman)? Also, why wasn't Nathan still a congressman? He'd been elected 4 months prior, I guarantee his term wasn't up already.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 6:58 a.m. CST

    those questions Alphi1...

    by just pillow talk

    will be answered in the coming episode "4 months ago".

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Claire jumping...WHY, WHY, WHY...

    by zerotau

    did it hurt when she broke her leg?? I hate it when the writers brake the rules they themselves set up. She put her hand into a garbage disposal without even fliching! Come on!! It's in the details...

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Okay, but Cheerleader Gangs?

    by Drath

    Are cheerleader gangs a problem in white collar schools? This is the second time we've seen this particular problem on the show. Very surreal. Otherwise I enjoyed this premiere except for Sulu's death! What the hell?! We never saw his power! Unless fighting was his power, but that's too mundane in my opinion because anyone can learn to fight....unless he was really unstoppable, but then that makes his death worse. I knew when I read there would be a 4 Months Earlier episode that this pilot would only be confusing and that things would be strange. I was pleased to NOT see Nikki this week though, I am not fond at all of her character. I'm curious what the hell was going on with the mirror and Nathan. He can't absorb powers, so does that mean that Jessica's power was to imprint herself on her sibling and by coming into contact with Nikki/Jesse, Peter abosrbed it and so is imprinted on Nathan? Or was that just artistic lisence? Really not a good idea to just be artistic about something like that on this show, it's hard enough to know what to take literally. I really liked Kensei (Capt. Sparrow? Are you shitting me?), and I liked that Claire has attracted someone with her dad's powers--although I'd worry that Nathan has a few bastard running around. Not sure what to make of the Mexican twins--they are twins, right? I read that somewhere. Her power is to cause death and his is to stop hers? Hope not, that's a power that'll grow old fast. Anyway, I'm looking forward to having this on a box set as watching Heroes week to week is torturously slow and there are all kinds of things that you forget or even miss the first time around.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 7:16 a.m. CST

    What do days of our lives, all my children, and heroes

    by wolvenom

    have in common??!?!?!? THEY'RE ALL FUCKING LAME MELODRAMATIC SOAP OPERAS... The only difference is heroes is played in the evening during primetime... KRING NEEDS TO UP THE SPECIAL EFFECTS FUCK!

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Not everything similar is a rip-off

    by heinz sabbatino

    Just because something's similar to things that have happened in 90 different comics doesn't mean its all ripped off. The "alcoholic like Iron Man" was definitely a stretch. Iron Man didn't become an alcoholic because he couldn't save his brother and found out his mother's evil. Nathan doesn't need a suit to fly or keep him alive. So what's the rip-off? That they drink? Come on... And not everything is a rip-off of "Watchmen". Everything's been done before. Alan Moore is not perfect. Sulu's last line was extremely lame. The Copy Kingdom boss was straight out of every bad movie that goes straight to cable. And this season premiere is telegraphing everything so much, I doubt I need to watch the next four episodes. Ando has great hair. That new CW show, "Reaper" was much better the first time it was on. When it was called "Brimstone". Take care, everyone. Have a great week.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST

    underwelmed by this epsiode

    by Mr_X

    hopefully it doesnt go down the flipping smallville route. i agree bring claude back. not really overlly impressed by the ieegal alien folks, and peter and amnesia? c'mon.. next week boby is found in the shower and its all a dream?!?!?! why on earth would HRG work at a paper shop? is that really underground for hiding? and keeping claires name claire. c'mon folks you're suppposed to be in witness protection!!!!!!! why the hell are he y always at issacs apartment? isnt there anymore plazces they copuld hang out at?

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Forget Christopher Eccleston ... I want more

    by Itchy

    Jessalyn Gilsig. Mmmmmmm. I can't believe they killed George. He was a rainbow colored flaming pop-culture icon. Maybe Hiro will work some magic to save him. Maybe he'll appear in flashbacks. Who knows. As far as Claire and the evil cheerleader leader, I hope they fall in love. Deeply in love. Because that cheerleader chick is beautiful.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 8:42 a.m. CST

    No complaints

    by Grungybones

    All in all i was pleased with the premier. They do an excellent job of leaving you wanting more. Sad to see Sulu bow out so fast. Never got to find out what his power was. Interesting to find out how the company was formed... if you can trust Spoonman.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 9:01 a.m. CST


    by Psynapse

    Well, they opened the 2nd season as lame as they finished the first. Meh....just.....meh.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Claire looks boxtoxed...

    by C.K. Lamoo

    Plus everyone in the California sequences has that creepy George Hamilton tan, except for the pale lesbian. <p>Sulu's power was the ability to teach swordsmanship in five minutes.</p>

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST

    cheerleader gangs are a nationwide problem...

    by just pillow talk

    Beware of the deadly human pyramid! Yikes!<p>

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Not a great start...

    by Yogsoggoth

    Overall the biggest problem was the predictability. When Claire almost gets run over by the pseudo-fringe / outsider guy I immediately thought "super powers". When the Hispanic brother and sister met up with the smugglers I thought "here comes the attempted rape scene" Sure enough, attempted rape. And I will be willing to bet that Hiro will eventually become the Japanese legend he is always talking about.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Last night's moral: Let Noah drink his goddamn coffee!

    by SpyGuy

    And yes, the second season premiere was slow and mostly setup, but so was the first season premiere and look how well that worked out by the seventh episode or so...

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 10 a.m. CST

    I thought last night's moral was...

    by just pillow talk

    don't wait for your killer at the top of a tall building? AND don't let him run and tackle you off said high building.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 10:11 a.m. CST

    oh no, they're setting up a story rather than

    by INWOsuxRED

    just jumping into some mindless "action". When will Kring legitimize my existence by saying that he too reads comic books? WHAAAAAA!

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Disappointing! Boring!

    by The Dude Abides

    I'm sorry, but that was just bad TV. I was completely uninterested. Kring could at least rip off some good writing skills.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 10:43 a.m. CST

    I'm all for set-up...

    by Yogsoggoth

    when it isn't obvious, predictable, and nonsensical. When we get treated to an hour of cliched plot points, the least he could do is offer us an exciting hook in the opening or ending of the episode.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Why would someone wait to be tackled off a high rise?

    by Doc_Strange

    Seriously, it took the guy in the hood like 5 seconds to get to Sulu. I would have side kicked the mother fucker while he was running towards me. This show has just gotten really boring and unwatchable. Lame.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    perhaps that's why Hiro took so long to thrust his

    by just pillow talk

    sword (sword people, sword!) at Sylar in the last episode. He inherited his slow reactions from his adoptive dad, Sulu. <p>In all seriousness, this episode did not live up to the last 2/3 of season one. I certainly hope the show picks up steam, but I won't get too worked up yet. If there's a string of bad episodes, I'll know we are in trouble.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    I half expected to see a bloody smile button

    by C.K. Lamoo

    lying next to Sulu.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Catchup episode...not impressive

    by reelfan

    Most interesting story was the wonder twins, Alejandro and Maya...the rest was just catching up with old friends...nothing exciting: check my blog - and leave your comments.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    The Amnesia Card

    by dvdbob

    Is this anyway to start a season? Playing the Amnesia Card already. Please tell me they have something better in store for us. Please.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Here's an OMSTAIN! - Dancing w/the Has-Beens

    by Pennsy

    Never-Weres and Never-Will-Bes was seen by 21.2 million viewers last night. I'm now convinced that reality TV, had it been around back in Moses' day, would have been his 11th plague, just in case the Pharoah didn't get the hint on plagues 1-10. Fuck reality TV, all of it, down to the 9th level of Hades. Lower, even.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    OMSTAIN! =

    by Pennsy

    One More Sign The Apocalypse Is Nigh.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Eh it was... "eh".

    by Novaman5000

    It was all set up, so it's hard to judge, but there were no real "wow" moments, like (as someone said above) the plane ripping apart above the others' camp. I don't expect it to be all out action, we can leave that for the finale, but a couple moments would have been nice. <p> That being said, I'm intrigued about the plot of the bad - superheroes killing off those who betray them... Hiro's dad's death was underwhelming, however.<p> And as for Zach not seeming gay, that's a little silly, no? Just because they didn't make the character a stereotype, doesn't mean he wasn't gay. I thought it was fairly obvious. Does "gaydar" even work on fictional characters?

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST


    by wykedengel

    okay, this is not a rant about whether the show ripped off this or that or what influences kring pulled into his writing, this is is to say simply, "IT'S FUCKING TELEVISION...IT IS NOT THAT SERIOUS!" I mean, what happened to being entertained by what you see? This isn't about what you would hope to see or what the writer(s) wrote, this is simply a matter of did you enjoy the hour you spent watching the program. don't get me wrong, i enjoy hearing people's theories and counter theories, but to the point where people are just hurling shit at the show for no good reason. basically it boils down to this: if you like the show, continue watching it; if you don't like the show turn it off. however 1/2 this tb is totally garbage because the space is filled with shit slingers on both sides. talk about the show for based on the merits of the show itself, not its inspirations or anything like that. now, with that said, i thought the season opening did what is was designed to do, introduce key players, set up the inevitable arrival of the baddie, introduced new elements and set the basic plot points in motion. i wasn't looking for the opener to hit the ground running, for me, that would lead to the writers having to constantly one-up themselves with each episode. equate the episode and this season to making love *smiles* it's good to create a slow build to what will eventually be a deeply gratifying and "oh yes" type experience.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST


    by Asaraiel

    You guys realize it's ignorant to judge a series that's based on twists and turns by what it reveals in the premiere, right? Right?<br>Instead of anticipation based on what appear to be big reveals, you bitch and moan because you didn't write it. Geez. I don't think Heroes is the greatest thing ever or anything but the criticism here is ridiculous.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Kristen Bell's first official Heroes photo shoot pics

    by Pennsy And if you want a look at the TV Guide cover, just point that mouse to

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Did Peter Bulk-Up over the Summer?

    by C.K. Lamoo

    He actually looks like a wind wouldn't blow him over.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Wow that sucked...

    by the_pissboy1

    Craptastic episode. Epically awful on so many levels. The Kensei stuff is ridiculous and over-the-top (not to mention the obvious southern California setting is a poor substitute for Japan). The Claire stuff = yawn. Jack Coleman must have felt like a dolt filming those trite sequences in the faux Kinko's; powertripping manager golly how original. Parkman always has trouble with women eh? Now he has a bratty little kid to deal with. Yee-ha, please why couldn't Parkman have died? Mohinder is just a worthless character and his arcs never prove that useful. And finally, the coup de grace: amnesia!!! F^cking amnesia?! Come on.************Thankfully no Nikki or her whiner kid and dumbass husband (please kill them all soon!).*********** Here's a funny idea - give us some villains. I don't mean one loner wandering around or some shadowy government. i mean, turn some of these characters bad. Very bad. Not sorta bad. Give us something with a little drama instead of all-knowing bad guys and silly vast Conspiracies. Give us people who have decided the normal, easy path sucks.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Sulu is alive and will be back

    by warp11

    Sulu/George Takei cancelled his appearece at a Star Trek/BSG convention here in Sacramento this weekend because he was still filming for Heros. That sucked though because he was suppose to sing with that star trek band Warp 11 that I love.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST


    by the_pissboy1

    I don't give a fuck if the haitian ran a screwdriver through his cerebellum. Even the hint of amnesia is fucking trite beyond all comprehension. Everything about last night's episode was typical network TV. They picked every obvious angle, every cliched-riddled line and every silly plot point. I've seen bad - hell watch any sitcom - and this was the mirror image of bad. For fuck's sake, hire some of Peter Berg's writers from Friday night Lights and learn how to stay within a story while creating tension in the audience because they know you will go toward the obvious and then hardcore fuck the character in a new way or just pile it on the character.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    They must be doing something right...

    by drewlicious

    The weird thing about Heroes is that it isn't that well-written but it's well told. I can count the endless cliches they employ yet for some reason I can't stop watching. There's plenty of low moments (most notably this time the overbearing boss, a character in this situation is really a half truth. I've worked in miserble jobs like this one and they only go for this crap when they're bored not because they take pride in the job) and a few high points. Those high points are dished out at a rate where I can't wait for the next one. High points this time: the cop and girl, Hiro, and the promise of a great villain and the return of an old one. Also, is it wrong that the most compelling character is a serial killer? I kind of get why he went crazy. All of his life feeling like a nobody, then some scientist comes in tells him he might be special and then crushes him by telling him he's not. For a sensitive personality no wonder he decided to give gray matter a try.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Beards = drunk and washed up

    by Dapper Swindler

    It's official now. Better shave that thing if you're hoping for that big promotion.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    "I was neither under or overwhelmed..."

    by Napoleon Park

    So, Bear, you were just whelmed?

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    six out of ten

    by manicart1

    Not the best episode of Heroes, but some good things. Too many irritatingly precocious children and smart-allecky teenagers. I want all those cheerleaders to die (after they have been bathed, and sent to my quarters). Molly and West are extremely irritating. Hiro and, um, white Samurai dude are awesome. Shame Sulu died but what was he supposed to do? The guy's got to be nearly eighty and if a super-powered chav in a hoodie wants to push him off a building then he can! I think it'll get better. I remember not being overly impressed by the pilot episode but the first series built up. Given the few bones we've been tossed here there's no reason to think that can't happen again. And I like seeing the nods to classic comic plots!

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Just watched it and I liked it!

    by ororo_munroe

    Maya promises to be one of my favorite characters! I am willing to bet her brother is a goner.<BR><BR> Kensei just might be a favorite character too, and I honestly thought I would hate a white Kensei. He is a new form of comedy relief.<BR><BR> HRG obviously isn't going to conform and neither is Claire. One of those situation's where you're supposed to do as I say and not as I do.<BR><BR>Greg is looking mighty fine! Who said he was still fat? Rude! Look at his scenes from this time last year and look at the scenes from this year. He looks great! <BR><BR>Who is Sylar's "shiny new toy"? <BR><BR> Peter has amnesia... well... he didn't know much when he had his memory either. Let's face it this might be a way to give the scarecrow a brain.<BR><BR>I agree with those that say the evil cheerleader story is old. Hey wonka, bear, chrth, napolean and prof!

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST

    people had amnesia all the time last season

    by INWOsuxRED

    can't wait to see what Sylar has been up to.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST



    ...just now reading through all the posts so someone else mau have already pointed this out to you... <p> "latina stereotype"??? "Cheech Marin"!!! <p> Last time I checked Cheech was a dude! <p> I mean, I have seen some latinas with some pretty intense facial hair on occasion... but that's just ridiculous...

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    ...oh yeah, and it's Cheech Marin, not Cheech Martin...


    ...for some reason Cheech's "pussy rant" from From Dusk Till Dawn is playing in my mind just now...

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    I'd like to see a Batman-like character on this show...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Someone who does not have super powers, but works among the gifted. For example, a former black-ops soldier or mercenary could fit in well in the Heroes-verse. Such a character could be the Heroes-verse analog to Batman and The Punisher.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    I wasn't entertained with what I saw...

    by LaneMyersClassic

    Wow, that was bad. MrBadWonka said it best - read his post above. AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY CHARACTERS - THAT'S BULLSHIT!! The show was pretty good last year - and it had all those characters. That whole copy store part with the stupid manager cliche was god-awful. TiVo Delete Heroes!

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST



    Dude. Tattoo was French.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST


    by observer(jb)

    In the show, her character is actually from Honduras. She's not mexican. The actress, Dania Ramirez, is from the Dominican Republic. I read in TV Guide that she supposedly has the power to create an instantly fatal virus and her brother is the antidote. She seems like one of the mutants that "The Company" would try to kill for being to dangerous. Maybe that'll be an upcoming story line: Multiple heroes trying to protect Maya from "the Company". Kirsten Bell is supposed to be a super-powered enforcer for the Company and she tries to locate Peter. She also has no problems killing people. Maybe Kirsten will try to kill Maya.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Uh, Batman character=HRG

    by Drath

    He's definitely the most Batman-esque character on this show. I don't think he's out for revenge, if that's what you want though.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 5:34 p.m. CST


    by Drath

    That depends, does someone who has an agenda, and sees facts through the filter of that agenda, lie or just misinterpret reality to go along with their ideas about how things are supposed to be? I think he's wrong, and as I said, I think his intention for Zach was misguided and should be ignored now that he's not involved. He's not infallable as a writer, his plans for Sharon's pregnancy in the unmade season 2 of Wonderfalls sounded terrible. I don't let my love for most of what he's done fool me into thinking he cannot make mistakes or that he's got he's always going to be reasonable in a disagreement. As I said, his claim does not match up with the facts, so I think he's bitter and misrepresenting other people's positions either intentionally or not.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST

    17th Century English...


    (now that I have gotten through all the posts)... <p> 17th Century English does NOT sound like what Kensei was speaking... he sounds like the Geico Gecko (the current one, not the previous posh upperclass lizard) <p> Read the King James Version of the Bible, Shakespeare, or old copies of The Mighty Thor to hear how Kensei SHOULD have talked (forsooth!)<p> Is this dramatic lisence? (the Japanese characters all spoke modern Japanese as well, with no distinctions in class i.e. Samurai and villagers would NOT have spoken the same way) Or could this be a "subtle clue" that Kensei is also a time traveller?

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Honduran twins...


    ...remind me a bit of the siblings in Brian DePalma's 1978 film The Fury. <p> Does Maya make people bleed to death?

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Responses to an overwhelming tb

    by ororo_munroe

    bacci40 - I don't know if mama P would be foolish enough to do that. Peter couldn't handle his powers with his memory. I can't see her purposely setting him out into the world... or storage container... without his memory. Your point about the Haitians necklace is creepy. Is it really his necklace Peter is wearing or did Pete receive it from the same person as the Haitian? A person that is maybe going around painting the symbol on pictures of people and then killing them? <BR><BR> Alphi1- Why is Parkman divorced? IMO that one is obvious... the baby isn't his. *Oh and Nathan's wife left him because he refused to shave his beard.* Take this to heart gentlemen. Beards are prickly and scratch our faces. <BR><BR> Prof- No, I think she makes people sick, and they die. Her acting was phenomenal! My eyes filled up when she was crying after the incident. <BR><BR> stereotypes - can we please look beyond these and appreciate a show that actually brings in characters that aren't all blonde haired blue eyed, and straight? <BR><BR>Wonka, I'm sorry you were disappointed. Stick with it. I promise it will get better. <BR><BR> bear - You missed this didn't you? I know I did.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Way too much "here and now" in Season 2

    by Veraxus

    They blew it, hard. Last season I kept thinking "Wow, no liberal agenda bullshit at all. How refreshing. I wonder how long that will last?" Not long, apparently. It's like Season 2's writers went on a "political hot topic of the month" frenzy. We have Katrina, homosexuals, AND illegal immegration all in one show. The only thing that remains to be seen is how soapbox the writers decide to get with those topics. You throw one bullshit cliche at me and I'm done with the show. I watch the show to escape from the "normal" day to day programming, not get beat over the head with it. Add to that the fact that using these kinds of "big topic" elements in the show is going to date it like fucking Megaforce. Fuck.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST


    by INWOsuxRED

    I know it is hard to see people from other countries on TV, and it is also hard to see homosexuals on TV. Liberals always do things like agknowledge Katrina happened. It would be better if we ignored it compeltely, yes. You are correct, people who are displaced, or feel like they don't have a place in the world is a theme that will be dated very soon. It is only relevant to right now.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    oh you know I'm sticking with it. bad heroes is still better than most of TV. I just really see a marked difference between last season and this episode. I truly feel fuller's absence. I'k hoping that he wasn't the screen keeping it from soap opera cheesy territory, and now that he's gone, we're going to get overwraught acting, and mediocre writing. <p>I'm still challenging anyone to give me one good reason why they shouldn't have delayed peter's return until at least next week, if not the 3rd episode. when I saw burnt peter in the mirror in the bar with nathan, that was a truly "oh shit" moment. let that marinate for a week! I'm most disappointed in that, to be honest. I also don't see why they didn't end Hiro's dad's story this week with him seeing the hooded guy/gal. and just saying, "I didn't expect you." then ando shows up, sees both of them, and that's it. stop it there!! the cliffhanger were so perfectly done last season, and now it's like they take it one beat too far, so instead of "what the FUCK?!? what does that mean? what's going to happen next week?!?", instead it's "OK, I guess we'll see what happens next, next week."<p>it's great to see everyone back, but it just feels like Diet Heroes thus far...even beetle nose ned with the whistling belly button trick couldn't save it.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 9:03 p.m. CST

    bacci that was kinda my point...


    ... I brought up the modern Japanese to show that Kensei's modern English was probably not a plot device... <p> Although it would be cool if it were...

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Tonal Shift...Almost a different show!

    by LarryBird

    There were about 12 seconds of the season opener that matched the great tone of last year. It verges on campy and the writing is so obvious. And I'm sure someone else has already mentioned the accents...Lucky Charms are nearby.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Oh no, they have ______! I'll never watch Heros again.

    by Larry of Arabia

    for blank please insert one or more of the following list of fanboy/dumbass reasons: <BR>homosexuals<BR> illegal immigrants<BR> not shot on location in Japan<BR> incorrect 17th century English<BR> cliche evil cheerleaders<BR> copied the Legacy Virus (or is it Resident Evil, or could it be that movie with Dustin Hoffman and the monkey...)<BR> copied themselves by having 2 guys that can fly<BR> copied the idea of a someone working in a company with a lot of paper from The Office<BR> too many plotlines<BR> too few plotlines<BR> no character like Batman<BR> a character like Batman<BR> a character like Jason Bourne you only think is like Batman<BR> a character with amnesia<BR> not written the episode I would have written<BR> Am I missing anything?

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    LOVED the episode when it was going on

    by jimbojones123

    Not to thrilled now that it's said and done. <P> I was really waiting for this and they got stuck way to much in the exposition mode to actually put together any kind of story. <P> Viva El Norte was throwaway. Turn Maya and Miguel into a webisode. <P> We now have to wait 8 episodes for Hiro to take over for Kensi and do his good deeds? Then he finally finds out pappa dies? <P> Peter and Clair's new guy friend look too much alike. I thought it was Peter flying for a moment. <P> Molly kicked ASS!!! She was the best part of the episode. WHY DID WE NOT SEE MORE MOLLY LAST YEAR??? <P> Ready for round 2 though. They can't keep glossing over the good stuff though.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Eating Words

    by lagomorph

    It's gonna be fun to come back here in 3 months when a whole lotta fans are eating their words. This is CHAPTER 1 of BOOK 2. Let it unroll, reveal and slowly build like the first season did and you might not feel so disappointed. Stop expecting the sun and the moon from the very first episode. (though technically you did get both in the form of an eclipse). I will say though I thought they shouldn't have pulled the trigger on Peter quite yet. Sylar is still presumed dead though, so they do have SOME restraint.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST


    by jimbojones123

    Note to self -- don't shave to keep wife away! Thanks.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 10:38 p.m. CST

    As the THIS long before the THAT don't you think THIS

    by Immortal_Fish

    all because Herc thinks THAT...<P>FUCK Herc. Fuck AICN.<P>As always.<P>Fuck them.<P>I dig Heroes. It's utterly and hopelessly derivative. But I love it.<P>Fuck you, Herc. Fuck you and your fucking elite dismissals of anything you deem to dismiss.<P>Fuck you.

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Larry of Arabia

    by BadMrWonka

    you forgot one:<p>fans that don't expect much from a second season opener, after one of the best first seasons of any show ever on TV<p>but that, along with anything on your list, is not going to keep me away, don't worry. don't lump those of us that agonize over each episode, and really get into it, with the doofuses that complain endlessly about it "ripping off" this or that. that's not the same as being bummed out because of the departure of what was evidently a hugely important part of the writing/creative staff...

  • Sept. 25, 2007, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Mister Muggles....

    by fiester strikes back

    It's pretty obvious to me that he is the Big Bad right under everyone's nose the whole time. They didn't just adopt Claire, but Mister Muggles as well. He only looks like a dog and now that he can't win Best In Show he is pissed off and looking for revenge. Also, cheerleader gangs are awesome. I wish they were on every show. More cheerleaders is always a good thing. You dumb nerds just don't get it.

  • Sept. 26, 2007, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Mr. Muggles special ability

    by fistmagnet

    A little known fact about Mr. Muggles special ability: He doesn't have to sniff your ass to know what it smells like. He just knows.

  • Sept. 26, 2007, 1:53 a.m. CST


    by messi

    Kensei should have said "you dare smite the son of Odin!"

  • Sept. 26, 2007, 2:37 a.m. CST

    IS there really a virus?

    by Harold The Great

    I thought it was just Mohinders excuse to get in touch with The Company. You would think if there really was a virus like that he would really more concened to cure it than bringing down some shady organization.

  • Sept. 26, 2007, 6:01 a.m. CST

    For what its worth

    by tristanchi

    Well i have just seen the first ep of new series of net as i am not sure when its being shown here in UK. I enjoyed it, the same high production values where there the mood and cast of cor (except nikki). It was as it shuld be a tease, showing u a little of the old and a little of the new, throwing up new questions etc. Some of you guys seem to expect the world, the show needs to start afresh and develop form gorund up again, as unlike most shows it didnt really end on a cliffhanger, so i would advise patience, sit back and enjoy the ride ! But of course do as you please people. Oh does anyone know when s2 airs in UK?

  • Sept. 26, 2007, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Wonka + Bear

    by ororo_munroe

    Wonka: Wow! You really nailed it. I didn't feel the intense magic of season 1 and it is definitely because they didn't have the cliff hanger that ended nearly every episode from last season. Note: I said liked it not loved it.<BR><BR>Bear: I try to stay away from big spoilers. I watch the videos. Remember how foilers helped ruin Lost in the second season? The foilers were cooler than the actual show.<BR><BR>I actually watched an interview with Tim Kring and he said that they will be focusing on how these people are dealing with life with these powers more than they will be focusing on the powers.

  • Sept. 26, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    I may have been cleverer than I thought...


    ...when I compared Kensei to the Geico Gecko... <p> Next week's episode in which some things are revealed about him is entitled "Lizards"... <p> hmmmm

  • Sept. 26, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST people will scream "rip-off of commercial"

    by just pillow talk

    thanks prof...

  • Sept. 26, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Damn you Prof!

    by ororo_munroe

    Just kidding.

  • Sept. 26, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST


    by wykedengel

    okay, prof... i zigged when i should have zagged. or in this case, i a'd when i should have o'd. *smile*

  • Sept. 26, 2007, 2 p.m. CST

    Mr. Muggles real power is to

    by Snowden's Secret

    absorb the powers of other dogs by licking their assholes. He's like the Silar of the dog world. P.S. anyone else find it funny when wingnuts say things like, "fuck all wingnuts." Funny stuff, man. I love it when idiots don't understand how ironic they're being.

  • Sept. 26, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    I thought it was to be cute and cuddly?

    by just pillow talk

    Where would this show be without Mr. Muggles? Damn dog carries the show.

  • Sept. 26, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Mr. Muggles is actually

    by ororo_munroe

    Uluru! Mark my words people.

  • Sept. 26, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Bacci40, i think you hit it on the head...

    by thehuss

    with the haitian being the one who wiped peters memory! He's wearing the haitians necklace! It could have been better, but i did enjoy the episode! Thankyou TV links!

  • Sept. 26, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST


    by Chewbroccoli

    A lot of questions raised are answered in the Heroes online comic located at:

  • Sept. 26, 2007, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Reptiles and Samurai...


    ...this old song comes to mind when I ponder next week's episode... <p> Reptiles and Samurai <p> Inhabit my head <p> Invading my dreams <p> Sleeping in my bed <p> They battle but they never die <p> They hear what I hear <p> Watching through my eyes <p> They don't like what they see <p> Reptiles and Samurai <p> Are under my skin <p> They hide in my mind <p> They speak with my tongue <p> They run amuck in my terrain <p> They are not friends <p> But they are forced reluctantly <p> To share my brain <p> Reptiles have silly grins <p> Dark eyes - - shiny teeth - - some have fins <p> Samurai they never smile <p> Serious - - pretty swords - - very clever <p> Sometimes I watch you from this place way up in the sky <p> Your face is young and shiny transformed right before my eyes <p> Without warning, without reason <p> Reptiles and samurai <p> Samurai and lizards <p> Reptiles and samurai <p> Reptiles have pretty scales <p> They run real fast - - they like to bite - - some have tails <p> Samurai like their water hot - - very brave - - eat raw fish - - they fight a lot! <p> <p> ...going over these lyrics it's really odd how closely they do fit...

  • Sept. 27, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST

    4 1/2 months...

    by Hansorg

    'til Lost is back. 'Til then, at least I can watch Hayden try to injure herself 148 more times...........