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A Video Store Spy Peeks At SUPERMAN/DOOMSDAY!

Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here. I’m a sucker for superhero animation of all stripes. Right now, one of the SUPERFRIENDS DVD collections is getting some heavy rotation play by my son. He’s learning to identify “Superdum,” “Bat,” and “WimmerWimmen,” and he’s adding them to the cast of characters that he peoples his inner life with right now. It’s great watching how excited he gets about what I consider one of the goofiest of the incarnations of the characters. I look forward to introducing him to some of the best versions at some point as well. Will I be adding SUPERMAN/DOOMSDAY to the list of essential superhero fare for him? We’ll see soon. This spy isn’t convinced:

Hey Harry, Long time fan of the site, first time contributing. I work at a rental establishment and had the opportunity to take the new Bruce Timm driven animated film Superman Doomsday home over the weekend to watch. A bit of history, I love the Batman Animated Series. I watched them every day after school growing up. The Superman Animated series I liked, but never thought it was at the level of Batman. I also enjoyed Mask of the Phantasm and the other direct to video movies such as Subzero. All that being said, this new film leaves me pondering what the hell happened? From the voice casting to the animation, things just go from bad to worse. The only member of the cast I felt worked was James Marsters as Lex. Anne Heche was absolutely forgettable as Lois. As much as I love Firefly and the character of Jayne, Adam Baldwin just never hits the right note with Superman's voice. The animation, while mostly good backgrounds and actions, the character designs made me shudder at times. Superman's face has a chin and cheekbones so pronounced, he looks craggier than Doomsday. Lex Luthor's face and chin seem to merge into a childs playground slide. There's a female associate of Lex who shows up and literally has no nose unless she's seen in profile. It looks awful. As for the story. This gets into spoiler territory. The story is barely there, at least in regards to the Doomsday/Superman struggle. The commercials should say as loosely based of the best selling graphic novel as possible. Even more so then the comics, Doomsday is a completely pointless throw away character. Supes and Doomsday only fight once. The battle lasting maybe 20 minutes, and both characters die. That's right. They fight for one day, not even very long and that is enough to kill the man of steel. What happens next? Supermen? Wannabes popping out of the woodwork? Steel? Nope just an evil clone made by, you guessed it, Lex Luthor. And surprise, surprise: Superman's not dead, it just takes him about 20 days to recooperate from the fight. Yet some how in little over two weeks, he's managed to grow long hair. Go figure. It gets even worse when we learn Superman was rescued by his robot sidekick voiced by Spongebob himself, Tom Kenny. This robot is just annoying in it's pointlessness. To top it all off, this is quite possibly the gayest Superman ever portrayed on film. I don't mean that in a derrogative sense, I mean that in the sense that this film is laced with slightly veiled homo-erotic phrases or imagery. At more then one occasion, Lex refers to Superman as a "Beautiful God." There's a seen were Lex is fighting his evil Superman clone, straddled on top of him and asking "Why did you leave me?" For a moment, not just myself but the others watching the film with me, honestly thought Lex was gonna kiss him! Throw on top of that a few shots of Supes in a thong with his flowing locks and some oil wrestling between the two Superman and you really get to wondering. My favorite part had to be when evil Superman grabbed the now long-locked Superman by the hair, repeatedly pulling him down to "Knee" him in the face. Of course, all we see is Superman's head bobbing up and down a few times, before falling to his knees and onto the ground. Evil Superman follows this attack with, "Now who's better EQUIPPED to defend the city." I almost fell out of my chair. Lex did have some good moments and some of the fights were visually interesting, but I would not recommend this film to any Superman fan or comic fan for that matter. Read the trade of the Death of Superman, you'll be a lot more satisfied. At best, I'd compare this to the sub-par Ultimate Avengers films as opposed to the great DC animated works that we've gotten in the past. If you use this, call me Garrison.
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  • Sept. 18, 2007, 4:21 a.m. CST


    by Khrono


  • Sept. 18, 2007, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Are you sure Singer Was not involved?

    by Redfive!

    Cheap shot I know.But the Superman cartoon has always been crap,Batman is far superior in story telling and design.I guess thats because im gay for Paul Dini,what can I say.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 4:46 a.m. CST


    by Sir Loin

    Doesn't sound promising, does it? Still...PG-13 for a Supes toon is pretty cool, they need to do more like that.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Redfive, you beat me to it!

    by Steve Rogers

    Still, Supes can't be more of a pussy - or, to be frank, more BORING - than he was in Superman Returns.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 4:54 a.m. CST

    Makes you wonder

    by stomm

    The original Batman Adventures was brilliant and really kept to the tone - this sounds turd, completely apart from the original comic.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 4:58 a.m. CST


    by DOGSOUP

    That is all.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Singer did us all a favor.

    by Khrono

    And made a kick ass Superman film that will be remembered. I don't see what all the hate was about when the film was released.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 5:44 a.m. CST

    All right this is why I hate this site...

    by nonsensical

    I sent in a review of this film after comic con and it didn't get posted. I can't tell you how many times I've sent in some sort of review or opinion on something animated and then a month or so later see it reviewed by some "first time reviewer". <p> I just don't get this site or how it's run. <p> This was my review, sent in on JULY 30th. <p> Nonsensical at the Comic-con screening of Superman: Doomsday. Now I want to talk about this film. Superman: Doomsday started out as an amazing film. Doomsday, the violence, Superman's character and even the way they moved Clark out of the picture in the first act was perfect. Very well done. However, there were a few glaring omissions that led to the very first question from the audience to be, "what happened to Doomsday's body?" When the panel of creators responded with, "Well we didn't really think about that." It made me wonder if they had really thought this through. <p> That seemed to show more and more as the film went on and in the second act seemed to slow to a crawl. It dealt with a world without Superman, but it was too jumbled and it seemed to need something that would help us feel like the world had suffered a great loss. The decision to make this a film where the only superhero was Superman was in my opinion a terrible mistake. Having Batman or the Justice League there to help us feel the loss Superman's friends felt would have allowed for a much greater experience. <p> In the final act things just got stupid. It seemed that the creators here decided that instead of having the four Supermen show up they went with a Clone of Superman story. This part was just as long as the opening act if not longer and it made the whole film very convoluted. I tried to accept it and enjoy it but Lex's army of Supermen plan was just plain stupid... not kryptonite sprinkled real estate stupid, but pretty stupid. <p> There really was so much more here that could have happened and I think that if they had made this film with more care for the story and maybe instead of a clone of Superman used Hank Henshaw "Cyborg Superman" or even made Metallo take up that role the film would have been better. It seemed to me that the whole of the final act hinged on how the Kent's raised Clark to determine who Superman was as a character and was more of a well thought out plot than a story to be told. <p> Now there is one thing that was great for this film and that was the characterization. The little things that made us know Lex was a super genius and that really sold the characters were the best parts of this film. If only they had used the voice actors from the animated series. It just didn't sound right having other voices come out of the characters since the art really wasn't that much different than the animated series. I know Bruce Timm tried to make the characters different, but come on. They are still in his style of art so they still look like the original series. <p> Oh well... maybe someone will get it next time. <p> <p> Personally, I just don't understand this shit. Was my review lost? Did it not say most of the same thing that this Garrison person has said. Sure I omitted the gay innuendo between Lex and his need for Superman, but I also know that Timm and company intended this film to be a complete departure from the Batman/Superman/JLA/JLU Animated Series'. This is also their intention for the New Frontier film and the Teen Titans film that will follow. <p> I agree with Garrison here on most of this. If you are a fan of Superman, and a fan of comics then this just sucks as far as films go. <p> I'd say it's on par with Superman: Returns, but all that really says is that Warners has yet to figure out how to handle Superman. At least when he's in a film. <p> Whatever.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Khrono you are fucking retarded

    by messi

    that movie sucked shit. looked nice sure, but dull as shit and just a movie about superman lifting heavier things. there is more action in 5 mins of a smallville episode than there was in the entirity of Superman Returns and they work on a TV budget not 210 FUCKING MILLION DOLLARS!

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 5:49 a.m. CST


    by messi

    Fucking piece of shit waste of money of a movie. the comics aren't that good sure, but they aren't Superman Returns bad, well some of Jurgen's was. But if Smallville somehow manages to make a more entertaining superman that actually fights on a small budget and Singer can only make a boring superman for 210 million dollars. something is wrong.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 5:57 a.m. CST

    just finished watching it

    by gottaeat

    I thought it was a lot of fun. Blood and violence in a superman cartoon... neat. But it was on par with what I expected. Think of what you come to expect, and that's exactly what you get. Except for the strange new lines on supermans face, the movie was alot of fun. Much different than the comic. I miss the Cyborg superman but oh well.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 6:16 a.m. CST

    Khrono, and Messi...

    by nonsensical

    I think Messi is asking, I couldn't tell from the shouting. <p> I had this really great explanation as to why Singer's Superman sucked the testicles that was very elaborate and to the point. Unfortunately I didn't save it, nor can I find it on this site that is run by monkeys since it appears that talkbacks don't last long after a film is out. <p> Basically, the major problems with Superman Returns are the massive contradictions to the 70+ year history that has already been established in Superman lore. Superman's home world destroyed by a super nova would have obliterated 45% of the solar system and there would have been no Kryptonite. Kind of important given a Kryptonite driven "plot". No, the explosion of Krypton because of an unstable Uranium core is what irradiated the chunks of his birth world and even allowed Kryptonite to exist in the first place. <p> Singer also doesn't know how to handle Superman. He's great, I mean GREAT!, at ensemble direction. His X-Men films make his Superman film look like shit as far as story and acting are concerned. Singer's film was little more than a handjob for Richard Donner and the result meant that actors like Brandon Routhe and Kevin Spacey were not allowed to bring their own flare to the characters. Spacey was playing Gene Hackman, playing Lex Luthor. While Routhe was playing Christopher Reeve, playing Superman/Clark. This utter lack of respect for the actors talents translates to the screen and hurt this film. <p> However, nothing hurt this film more than having Singer continue the contradictions by having Superman leave the earth in peril after explicitly saying he wouldn't in Superman 2, which according to Singer, Returns is a sequel to the first two Donner films. Singer also made the choice to bring in this kid, giving Superman a son and turning him into a dead beat dad. On top of that he also turned Superman into a stalker by having him float outside of Lois' house spying on her and her new boyfriend. <p> Oh and don't get me started on the whole Superman "branding" issue that his costume has. This film was 100% effects for the sake of effects. The story has massive problems and the simple fact that Superman survives a Kryptonite Shiv jammed into his kidneys, LEAVING FRAGMENTS INSIDE HIM!!, and then gets the strength to hurtle a GIANT KRYPTONITE continent into the sun is just plain ridiculous. The film should have had a how long has he been dead timer on it that started after the shiv was removed. I mean come on! If a sliver sized piece of Kryptonite can weaken Superman to the point of near death then I don't see how he can even function around a continents worth of the stuff. <p> Singer missed the point of Superman and the next film "Man of Steel" won't be much better. I absolutely hate talking about Superman films since more and more it's clear that Warners and the directors they choose just don't get the character. 70+ YEARS of material and you'd think someone would get it. <p> I hope that helps.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Same Writer as Brainiac Attacks, right?

    by Drath

    I think we're gonna have an uphill battle getting good writing back into the DCAU. At least they're still using Timm, but I'm afriad now that his style will become associated with lesser incarnations of the characters rather than the definitive screen version that his style currently represent. I'm gonna see this for myself, but the minute you do Death of Superman and cram it into one movie and don't bring in Superboy (fuck that court case up the ass!!), you pretty much have lost the point as far as I'm concerned.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 7:10 a.m. CST

    great review .... how about a dr strange one

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    i liked that one better ...

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 7:13 a.m. CST

    This was HORSESHIT

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Really, really just awful. I had the video store advance as well, and was pretty excited to get this home. What an utter disappointment. DC falls flat on its face with their first DTV movie. And really, why? They had a fresh start, they weren't hampered by any particular continuity. They RAPED one of the classic(ok, modern classic) stories to come out of comics in years. The Death of Superman was a national news event when it hit. And the Reign of the Supermen that followed, was a GREAT read. So why couldn't DC stick closer to the original text?? Part of the greatness of Doomsday was the build up. His escape, punching his way a little bit more free every issue, his unveling as he slowly freed himself of his containment suit. And on his way, his complete ass whipping of the version of the Justice League that existed back then. It made his eventual confrontation with Supes all the more entertaining. Some of the choices this "film" makes are so stupid, it's puzzling. I'll give you one as a minor spoiler. Lois Lane is DATING Superman. Not Clark Kent, but Superman. She has no idea at the beginning who the hell Superman really is. Forget that the whole Clark/Superman secret identity thing has been long regarded as kind of , well iffy. I mean great reporting skills, he wears his hair different and puts on glasses, maybe slouches a little. But I digress. My point with that little spoiler is, one of the great parts of the Death of Superman story, was that Lois was grieving for 2. She shared in the grief of the world at the loss of Superman, but she also had lost her husband, Clark Kent, and couldn't tell anyone. Just an example of one of many awful choices this movie makes. I like some Marvel stuff, but I am a DC fan first. I had high hopes for this, but it sucked so very very much. It put me off of any future DC DTV stuff. New Frontier is next which was a damned good story, which makes me worry again. And they have talked about an adaptation of "Dark Knight Returns". Don't do it!! Not if you are going to stray from awesome source material and produce a half baked pile of horseshit like Superman:Doomsday.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 7:51 a.m. CST

    @ Spidey3Sucked


    DC's first DTV movie? Perhaps you missed Return of the Joker, Subzero, Mystery of the Batwoman, or that flaming turd Brainiac Attacks. (Yes I know I'm missing a few others too.)

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 7:59 a.m. CST

    hey NONSENSICAL...

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    your review was long and uninteresting. <p> i wouldn't have posted it on my site, had i a site to post it on.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Jesus Mori...

    by I Own You

    It seems like last week your son was born. Ah, they grow up fast don't they?

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    The only way to do this was...

    by hank henshaw

    Three different movies (especially considering how short this movie is, 80 minutes!). First, The Death of Superman. Part 2 would've been the Reign of the Supermen introducing Steel, Superboy (Superteen? Superdude?), Eradicator and Cyborg. Finally, The Return of Superman, where a weakened Superman must band together with the others to fight Cyborg. Otherwise, they shouldn't have bothered doing it.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST


    by rev_skarekroe

    That sounds like something Luthor would say. Looks like your kid's heading for a life of villainy.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Alternate Titles for Superman Returns

    by TELF

    Clark Kent Stands Behind Someone at a Computer for 45 Minutes Shoot Me in the Eye All You Want, I'll Never Stop Crying My Real Kryptonite is Not Receiving That to Which I Feel Entitled Dark Costume, Light Structure The Mystery of Lex Luthor's Spooooooky Black Island The Adventures of Seaplane Pilot and His Shitty, Lying Family Superman Returns, Editor Leaves Oh, Great, What Am I Supposed to Do, Find A New Girlfriend? WHERE?! The Day Seven Things Needed to be Caught and/or Lifted Your Kryptonite Island Killed Me So I Lifted It. Check Mate? Stephen King's Heavyobjectcatcher Superman Returns, and Clark Kent Returns at the Exact Same Time to the Hour, but Fuck it, it's a Comic Book Wait, if it's a Comic Book, Why is Everyone Crying The Fourth Best Superman Including Quest For Peace Superman 5: The Quest for Catching and Lifting Now Kryptonite Doesn't Kill Me. Maybe I'm Just a Werewolf or Something Thank God My Six Year Old Son is Also a Superman, Now We Have an Advantage They Say Kevin Spacey Would be Compelling While Reading a Phone Book. Let's Find Out Don't Break Into His Fortress, it Makes Him Flying Back to His Office Mad! Superman in a Dark, Modern, Realistic Context, But Let's Face it, You Can't Catch or Lift Genocide Clark, Snap Out of it, Even if You Don't Want to Save Your Friends, Someone Must Be Being Raped in Pakistan Your Grandpa Will Love This Movie, Assuming He's a Woman and a Nerd Superman: You Will Believe a Man Can Fly, What You Won't Believe is That a Flying Man Can Bore You Sure, I Wish He Was Fighting Three Evil Supermen in the Street, But Listen, if Something's Falling on Me, I Want it Caught Superman, Where Have You Been All This Time? The World Has Suffered Too Long Under the Yoke of Faulty Aircraft and Precarious Architecture Superman versus Lex Luthor: The Villain Who, Left to His Own Devices, Fails Yes, I'm a Floating Immortal That Everyone Loves, But Your wife Makes My Cock Hard, Do You Think This is Easy For Me?

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 9:02 a.m. CST

    re: nonsensical

    by ScottGreen

    you can send your reviews of animated material to me at

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST

    death of Superman was just a gimmick to sell comics...

    by W3bzpinn3r

    How can you expect a decent movie, when all it was originally was a way for DC to get its dignity back in the mid 90's when Marvel and Image where absorbing most of the marketplace. No one cared about DC's "perfect, flawless heroes" when they could get an abundance of flawed heroes from the competition. DC's answer was to make their heroes flawed. They killed the unkillable Superman. They broke the Batman. Had they not taken full page ads out in USA Today and New York Times, it might not have seemed so much of a gimmick. The story was just crap. No emotional impact. Marvel did a better job with the "black issue" of Amazing Spiderman (the 9-11 issue). The scale and emotion filled every page. The only error in that comic was to have Doom, Magneto, and Kingpin watching and crying, since they have done imaginary deeds far worse.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST

    "Death of Superman" Omnibus just released

    by TheNothing

    Nice hardcover book, almost 800 pages. Looks like my money will be going to that instead.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Saw it Months Ago and it was Great

    by Gatack

    The comic wasn't even that good. The movie is it's own thing as anyone with half a brain could tell you that it would be borderline impossible to recreate the comic into an animated feature. People cried for the Justice League to be in this. Did anyone actually read the story? If the Justice League in THAT story was in the movie people would still be dissapointed because that wasn't the A - List JLA people were expecting. The Evil Superman is hilarious in his Orwellian approach to things. He is big brother and he will kill you if you question his athority. I'm picking it up after work and watching it again. Jaded cunts be damned.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 10 a.m. CST

    Singer should have...

    by Rumpel Tumskin

    forgotten about Superman remakes and made a Logan's Run movie that actually follows the book and not the stupid, yet gorgeous looking 70's movie. Let the Homers fly

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Trouble seems to be...

    by Kid Z

    ...Bruce Timm was involved, but no Paul Dini. Also, even with Batman: The Animated Series and it's "sequels", the series were great, the movies always sucked! At least I'll have the Superman Animated 2-part episode with Darkseid to watch and remember as the best example of Superman in animated form since the Fleischer version, and the best Superman in any medium but comics since Superman II (Superman Returns sits lonely and unwatched at the bottom of the leatherbound box containing my DVD collection, sadly enough).

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST


    by James Westfall

    God damn.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 10:11 a.m. CST

    bruce timm is a tool.

    by JacksonsPole

    i hate all the stuff he's done to the characters of the batman and superman universes. it's all jokey/hokey storytelling. and, the animation really bothers me. it's supposed to be 'art-deco', but it's simply squared jaws. if you want real superman animation, nothing beats the fleischer work. nothing. to this day. the batman beyond and batman detective series are exceptional, but timm has muddied the superman/batman waters for a long time. and, don't get me started on bryan singer. 'superman' returns was absolute garbage. singer should never have been allowed to touch that property again...

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Loins Fruit

    by CyberVishnu

    Superdum? Bat? WimmerWomen? Is your son a fucking retard?

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Just in: Brandon Routh to be in Doomsday sequel

    by Steve Rogers the voice of the Daily Planet janitor. Or just a guy on the street. Or doing sound effects for when Jimmy Olsen's popping his zits in the men's room. Seriously, he'll take anything.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Yup, Mori's officially a parent

    by Logo Lou

    Step One: Knock somebody up. Step Two: Mention their "funny/cute" mispronunciations of words that are neither funny nor cute to anyone else. Step Three: Hypocricy as the new rule of law (I assume he's getting to that). It happens to even the best of us (except me! Married and kid free for 10 years! Wheeeeee!)

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Comic Book Videos are going downhill.

    by C.K. Lamoo

    I just watched Doctor Strange and it played like an old episode of The Inhumanoids. Not a single movie star involved. I will recommend the first Hellboy video "Sword of Storms" but the second one is not so good.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Oh come now nothing beats Smallville for HoYay

    by Yeti

    between Lex and Clark/Supes.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Problem with Superman Returns: Lois is a . . .

    by Cymbol

    slut. Seriously, Supes has been gone for 5 years and she has a 4 year old son. The other guy thinks it's his kid. . . so Lois waited, what? a few weeks for Supes to Return before hooking up with someone else? This is our love story??? So now, Superman's kid come from a broken home, another dude is sleeping with Supes girl, etc. While I thought the movie was very well made, this isn't the story I wanted. The love story is gone. Thanks Singer.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST


    by TELF

    Shoot Me in the Eye All You Want, I'll Never Stop Crying <p><p>My Real Kryptonite is Not Receiving That to Which I Feel Entitled <p><p>The Adventures of Seaplane Pilot and His Shitty, Lying Family <p><p>The Day Seven Things Needed to be Caught and/or Lifted <p><p>Your Kryptonite Island Killed Me So I Lifted It. Check Mate? <p><p>Superman Returns, and Clark Kent Returns at the Exact Same Time to the Hour, but Fuck it, it's a Comic Book <p><p>Wait, if it's a Comic Book, Why is Everyone Crying? <p><p>Superman 5: The Quest for Catching and Lifting <p><p>Now Kryptonite Doesn't Kill Me. Maybe I'm Just a Werewolf or Something <p><p>Thank God My Six Year Old Son is Also a Superman, Now We Have an Advantage <p><p> Superman in a Dark, Modern, Realistic Context, But Let's Face it, You Can't Catch or Lift Genocide <p><p>Clark, Snap Out of it, Even if You Don't Want to Save Your Friends, Someone Must Be Being Raped in Pakistan <p><p>Your Grandpa Will Love This Movie, Assuming He's a Woman and a Nerd <p><p>Superman: You Will Believe a Man Can Fly, What You Won't Believe is That a Flying Man Can Bore <p><p>You Sure, I Wish He Was Fighting Three Evil Supermen in the Street, But Listen, if Something's Falling on Me, I Want it Caught <p><p>Superman, Where Have You Been All This Time? The World Has Suffered Too Long Under the Yoke of Faulty Aircraft and Precarious Architecture <p><p>Superman versus Lex Luthor: The Villain Who, Left to His Own Devices, Fails <p><p>Yes, I'm a Floating Immortal That Everyone Loves, But Your wife Makes My Cock Hard, Do You Think This is Easy For Me?

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Superb animation films recently:

    by theycallmemrglass

    Dr Strange, Ultimate Avengers, Iron Man. Check these films out made in the last year or so. They rock big time. Theres is also an Ultimate Avengers 2 but I think this is the weakest of the animated films.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Can we please ban Duane Capizzi from all DC projects?

    by SpyGuy

    As soon as I saw that fucker's name attached to this project, I just knew it would disappoint. This joker has quickly become the Akiva Goldsman of DC's animated projects.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 1:10 p.m. CST

    why cant they get whoever

    by lucky slevin

    why cant they get whoever did the animation in kill bill to handle this stuff, the trailer for this looked awful, i wouldnt want to have my wonderful memories of the death of superman shit on with this made for the mind of an 8 year old garbage. Doomsday should be frightening to look at, and he was just .. just weak. anyone ever read the graphic novel where it shows how doomsday was made? he was killed daily for thousands of years, and every day his dna was used to clone him and they would kill him again, and eventually he began to evolve into something more than mortal, he is that villain. that ill nasty. and now hes been shit all over. thanks DC

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST

    The lines on the face...

    by Dominic

    do make Superman look aged. I really find them distracting. All I can think about when I see the trailer is, "what the hell is up with the damn lines?!". Anyway, they should have kept this in the continuity of JLAU. Instead of the dumb Doomsday storyline they used, they should have made a 3 parter with the rest of the league. I hate when the cartoon version dumbs down the comic's original story.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    A bit of history, I don't know what a sentence is.

    by 3 Bag Enema

    And, with that, I stop reading.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST


    by maxwell's hammer

    You know the movie is going to be bad when this is the most positivity the plant can come up with.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    TELF you fucking genius

    by Rickey Henderson

    I just shat myself reading that. Strong work.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Singer's Superman was excellent

    by krushjudgement

    But, if there isn't a giant/sci-fi/matrix-like batlle in a movie, then the talkbackers think it "sucks." Yeah, I hate character developement too. Just punch me in the face for two hours please.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST

    And on top of that

    by krushjudgement

    Superman isn't about punching people. He's aboutr standing for something.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Timm is pretty pedestrian

    by Bass Ackwards

    B:TAS was great, but once Timm left Dini and others to try it on his own at the cartoon network hid stuff became, not bad necessarily, but just boring. I kinds wish WB would let another team take a crack at the animated universe at thus point, if for no other reason than to guve someone with some different visual ideas a try.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    all of this

    by mrbong

    is just another thinly veiled, and often blatant, attack on the Baldwin family. lay off them, people, show them respect and they will show you respect. possibly.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Bruce Timm

    by TheGreenStyle

    is the only one who made a watchable Superman in 30 years. Everyone remembers BTAS, but STAS was also friggin' brilliant, the best modern Superman. (And don't forget, it was that series that first introduced Kryptonian Brainiac!)

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    But even so...

    by TheGreenStyle

    I can't bring myself to buy this. Just doesn't look good. Looks lame. I was about to rent it, but Blockbuster didn't carry it. So I said "Fuck you Superman!" and left.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST

    But at this point,

    by TheGreenStyle

    I think there should be a Death of Superman story where Superman stays dead and gone. Just an inspiration to modern heroes, someone to look back on.<br> <br> Because, let's face it, Superman will never make us happy, no matter how he's handled. Handle him traditionally? then he's "too powerful and too boring." Re-invent him? then "They're screwing with 70 years of history! that's not accurate! don't give him melodrama!" So god help Singer when he tried to do both, (as paradoxical as that is,) and he got shit on by both assholes.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 3:32 p.m. CST

    The old saying goes "If it ain brok, don't fix it"

    by Doc_Strange

    I think Timm has made some really bad decisions here. First of all, since they changed the look of Batman in the animated series, things went downhill. There were still some good episodes left but I thought the series suffered from the introduction of Tim Drake's Robin. <p> Like was said above, Superman was good but not great. I think overall Batman is just a better, more interesting character that more people identify with. Also being the fact that he's not a superhero with powers and shit. With Superman it's a lot harder to identify with him because he's an alien from another planet. With Batman, he's human and has suffered a tragedy that some people might also have experienced. <p> I think that if Timm goes back to what made the series good, with original voice cast, the movie would be a lot better. Why he went with an all new cast and character designs was a bad move.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    superman returns stunk because...

    by theonecalledshoe

    1. too much stuff was taken from the Donner films. 2. unfortunately the new guy had to copy a lot of christopher reeve's acting. pretty damn good swell job though (seriously) 3. the kid-- 'nuff said. 4. Lois' 'survival' in the aircraft. How the heck did that happen. I realize that she banged supes 'back when' (another shake of the head as far as aging goes) but sheesh when did she turn into superwoman? 5. The ending. WTH?! compare and contrast with the batman begins and you'll figure a lot for it. If some people got a lot out of it good, otherwise whatever as far as the fan film SR is concerned. Ebert has a good review of the supes film at (don't forget to hit the for the old footage---*promos promos*) As far as Dooner stuff goes I'll always be thankful that his wife did Thank God it's Friday. If I had my way in life I'd time travel back in time with Nicole Ritchie and dance the night away with her. ---later

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Ricky Henderson...

    by TELF

    I wish I could take credit for it. So tempted, but I cannot tell a lie. A friend of mine found it on some blog (Ive been bugging her for a link, as whoever wrote it is my kinda guy). Too good not to share.<p>My fave: "Superman versus Lex Luthor: The Villain Who, Left to His Own Devices, Fails" <p>Pretty spot-on as regards my issues with the film.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Yeah, it was lame in all the ways described...

    by rock-me Amodeo only half the angst for Lois when Supes dies, because she doesn't know or give a crap about Clark "Don't step on a landmine" Kent. <br><br>And I'll never understand why Supes in either comic or movie didn't just push the guy into the sun. He can't fly, for crying out loud. <br><br>Lastly, the animation really was odd. I know they're going for some new "style" but Legion of Super Heroes proves their running out of things to distort. What's next, cubist animation?<br><br> I really wanted to like it, but it was a few good lines with me mostly cringing, waiting either for the Superman clone to turn into Bizarro, or for Luthor to yell out, "I just can't quit you, space cowboy!"<br><br>Yee-hah, indeed.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST

    somebody post the sup on sup blowjob

    by INWOsuxRED

    on youtube for me to laugh at, please. I don't think I'll see this unless they play it on cable while my wife is sleeping and I'm not.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    I saw this at Comic Con and loved it

    by splungiest

    So did everybody else I talked to there. You can't trust the opinions of bitter video clerks.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    You can't trust in their ability to spell either

    by chiahead

    like would it kill you to read a book? Might clue you in on how recooperate isn't a word, and SEEN is a state of being. i won't kvetch about this long, but how can you people not find this as irksome as I do?

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST


    by TheNothing

    Yes, that's what I want out of a superhero movie. Some guy "standing for something" for two hours. You can stand for something WHILE punching a supervillain in the face. And any character development that Singer DIDN'T directly steal from Donner (slut-Lois, baby-Supes, etc.) guess what - it blew.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Saw it at Comic-Con

    by Mattyboy122

    It's okay. Marsters is TERRIBLE as Lex. Heche is God-awful. Baldwin is okay. The story, while different from the original comic book series, is reasonably adapted, I suppose. But the fight scenes are cool, specifically the fight between Superman and Doomsday (the fight between Superman and his clone is just okay). I guess it's cool to see people actually get killed (Doomsday kills a surprising amount of people before Superman shows up), but yeah, it was only okay. Not as good as World's Finest or, hell, SubZero, and certainly nowhere even near the masterpiece Mask of the Phantasm, but an entertaining diversion nonetheless.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST


    by Thick McRunFast

    First of all, the score is done on what sounds like the cheapest Casio keyboard ever. Secondly, Luthor digs deep enough at the beginning so that "even Superman can't see them", but a remote TV signal makes it out? Third, the animation is horrible; much worse than the animated Marvel DVDs. I'm sure there's a fourth & fifth to come, if I actually finish watching this crap.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    "There's a seen.." It's "scene" learn to spell fucker!

    by Stalkeye

    However the reviewer is correct in regards to the voice casting and the Justice league 1st season Superman face. I was not disapointed as it was more aimed for adults than "Kids WB".The Toyman scene was brutal as well as Doomsday killing everyone in sight,and so much for Marci too. I got the inside jokes/trivia IE Kevin Smith as the grumpy guy (who was pissed that WB turned down his script.)The giant spider and Superman's black and silver costume. In some ways it was more of a romance film,but much better than Supes VS Brainiac or even Returns for that matter.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Worst line

    by Mattyboy122

    Lex is beating up clone Superman with the aid of a Red Sun radiated room and Kryptonite gloves and, towering over the defeated clone man of steel, says "Who's your daddy, Superman?" I cringed.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    What are they doing to Superman?

    by hallmitchell

    We have the pathetic Superman Returns. Now we get a bad review on this. I'm sure glad I didn't hang around for this at Comic Con San Diego. Look. Maybe it's time to get away from the Mid West, Disneyised version of Superman. I don't want anything dark. Yet maybe a good revitalisation would be good. I'm not talking origin. Just something fresh.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST


    by Quin the Eskimo

    goddamn mother fucking mongoloid moron deliverance masturbating fool.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST


    by Quin the Eskimo


  • Sept. 18, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    DC animation.....

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Peaked with both seasons of Justice League Unlimited. The first season balanced a shitload of characters with a great season long story arc. And they crammed some DC classic mini stories in between the big arc. The truncated season 2 was also spectacular. There has been other great stuff, first few seasons of TAS, Return of the Joker, hell I even saw Mask of the Phantasm theatrically, which was pretty cool. My point of this being the first DTV DC thing, was, while not 100% accurate, meant that this was the first produced under the new DC Animation banner. Produced to specifically answer to the newer Marvel DTV stuff. (Which don't faze me either way, they haven't done a character/storyline I really give a rats ass about. Give me some Infinity Gauntlet or Rise of the Midnight Sons and I am there.) Back on point, this was the launching of the "new" DC Animation machine. Producing stories NOT spinning directly out of an existing animation universe, like the Batwoman and ROTJ projects. And they dropped the ball fucking awful. They fucked up one of the best storylines to come out of superhero comics ever. If you read it, there is no way you can be anything but dissapointed in this abortion of a translation. Whats in the future, they get around to Vertigo and fuck up Sandman or, god forbid, Preacher??? Oh, and sadly I must say that while I agree with all the Returns points, and I did walk out of that feeling pissed, it has gradually grown on me. And it was Routh that did it. No one can be Chris Reeve, but Routh was great in both roles, it was the shit around him that failed. And whoever said Smallville sucks can go fuck themselves, Tell em Shermdawg!

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    I am Batman

    by messi

    HAHAHAHHA that's fucking hilarious. maybe you should pick up the entire run of 90's superman comics. That is shit. smallville is the first show to ever show superman do the things he could actually do and the first one to show him fight like he could actually fight. you argue against this? This is why Smallville is better than any of the Superman live action mediums.<p><p><p>you know what I think it is, that your mind has been warped by years of dc comics which are generally mediocre that when something good comes along your mind says "ehh? an actual good non campy version of superman...this cannot's shit..give me mediocrity!" That's how your mind works cunt. I listen to Isis and Mogwai which means I have taste. Cunt

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST


    by messi

    man you know fuck all about superman. standing for something? what's that? a boring film? having 5 lines? lifting things? stalking lois? yeah man that's fucking superman. what character development? with 5 lines. Lex was ridiculous even worse than the silver age, the silver age one was a cardboard 'hahaha' villain but at least he killed and did crazy shit as comic book as he was, this was just boring. this superman was as ridiculous as the silver age one without actually doing the cool shit. fuck you.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Film the Kevin Smith script

    by hallmitchell

    You have it, you paid for it Warners. Just film it. It's better than the Superman dribble you have been putting out lately.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST

    More alternate titles for Superman Returns

    by bswise

    “The Art of Self Love Whilst Alone in a Space Pod for Five Years” “Superman Returns Selectively to Countries Approved by the Bush Administration” “Lois, I’m Watching Yoooouuuuu!” “Brando Mumbles from Beyond!” “The Adventures of Asthmaboy: Shover of Pianos from Offscreen” “The Unambiguously Gay Climactic Fight Scene Where Superman Gets Pushed Around in the Mud by Some Prison Flunkies” “Kevin Spacey looks just like Hackman’s Lex Luthor; Brandon Routh looks just like Christopher Reeves’ Superman; Parker Posey looks just like Margot Kidder’s Lois… D’oh!” “Superman is a Creepy, Lying, Stalking POS Alien Who Abandons his Unborn Child and Says FU to Everyone on Earth so he Can Yark Off in a Space Pod for Five Years!”

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Once more with feeling.

    by Juggernaut125

    Superman Returns. NOT a good movie. In any respect. And certainly not a good SUPERMAN movie. Many things said previously are all valid and alone should be enough to evict Singer from making the sequel. But more than that, what truly pisses me off is that there IS a sequel. The dumbasses at WB need to wake up and realize they need a Supes Reboot, not a continuation to the abortion of the last movie. There should be no child. Lois should actually look and act like a pulitzer prize winning reporter, not a freakin' cheerleader. And give Lex a real NEW motivation, not the fucking real estate bs over and over again. Superman is not a dead beat dad. He's not a stalker. And he wouldn't fucking abandon the earth to go looking for his roots. And he certainly wouldn't have knocked up an 18 year old Lois, giving her a 5 year old kid by the time she's 23. (And anybody thinking she's older than that is fooling themselves.) As it was said earlier, they have 70+ years of history to draw from, but they HAVE to make up their own shit to be new and innovative. But I don't WANT new and innovative. I want my Superman to BE Superman.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 8:46 p.m. CST


    by TELF

    Nice. I'm worried that the sequel may actually feature the adventures of "Asthmaboy".<p>What were they thinking?

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST

    That fuckin asshole Singer needs to.......

    by King Conan

    STOP trying to make Superman movies into Batman. That fuckin movie SUPERMAN RETURNS was so goddamn dark and depressing it was insane. I'm not saying you have to make a Superman movie like The Quest for Peace where he is a goofy douche, but shit just look at part 1 and 2...those fuckin movies still hold up today. This brooding asshole Singer has an iconic, world recognized character in a unrecognizable dark blue and burgundy costume!!! What the fuck??! Superman has a baby and Lois fuckin Lane is an uninteresting, winy, yuppie skank. And some dont think that movie sucked??!! Lol!

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST

    This movie was actually pretty effin sweet

    by Charlie Murphy

    we hear "ass" and "hell" a few times, doomsday gets thrown onto a building that proceeds to collapse level by level, and Lex Luthor sounds almost like a fag at certain points. well worth the purchase price.

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Admit it! SCHUMACHER directed this, didn't he?

    by MrMysteryGuest

    He ruined Batman with nipples, he really ruined Superman with innuendo! :O

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST

    i liked it, but I'm a Supes fan no matter what...

    by dead youngling

    go red and blue!

  • Sept. 18, 2007, 11:40 p.m. CST

    The Superman Doomsday movie sucks

    by Eh Nam1313

    Don't waste your time

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 12:05 a.m. CST

    SInger's SR is shit

    by P2Rock

    I had to say it again. Character development? He had Supe's as a sulking jealous stalker trying to woo her away from her fiance. Great, You take an iconic role model fro children and "humanise him". The whole point of superman is not only is physical strength but strength of character. And that kid... fuck off. BTW I got banned for trashing singer last time here. WTF this is suppose to be an opinion based talk back. FUck singer and his Boner for Donner (must like older dudes). Supes needs to be taken seriously not homofied.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 12:19 a.m. CST

    worth paying for

    by mayorofsimpleton

    but not keeping. Better than brainiac attacks, not as good as the other dcu movies. DEAR DC - GIVE US FAITHFUL ADULT ADAPTATIONS AND YOU WILL BE REWARDED, THANK YOU. It's so, so fucking simple.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 1:21 a.m. CST

    I think maybe I'll stick to the YouTube...

    by JacksParasites

    ...Marvel/DC After Hours videos by JustSomeRandomGuy. The plot has really gotten good.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 1:35 a.m. CST

    So Let Me Get This Straight

    by Colier Rannd

    According to some of you Superman Returns was boring but Batman Begins was dandy? Are you kidding? Talk about not getting a character, do any of you really think Batman wouldn't have saved Ra's at the end? Or how about the long, slow pauses between words out of Bale's mouth. Oh and Nolan (who managed to make both Al Pacino/Robin Williams and Hugh Jackman/Michael Caine/Scarlett Johannson boring) hires Katie Holmes and apparently his only direction was to talk out of only half of her mouth. At least Superman Returns was thoughtful and had a philosophy behind it. I can't wait for the next one!

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 2:39 a.m. CST

    If you want to get something straight

    by Snookeroo

    Superman Returns was not the place to find it. "Straight" didn't wander into the Lexicon too much, if you get my drift. And yes, that was a pun. What did they get RIGHT in that movie? Our iconic red, blue and yellow clad hero who doesn't drink, doesn't smoke and tells the truth becomes a brown, orange and blue Speedo-clad gaygasm who speeds his free time as a Peeping Tom, stalks his former girlfriend, and becomes a deadbeat dad. NOTE TO WARNER BROS.: Superman has 70 years worth of bad guys to fight (key word here = fight) -- enough with the bald dude already. Re-boot this abortion, don't make it worse by committing a sequel to it. And whatever you do, DON'T have General Zod in the next one. It's been done, 'kay??

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 2:46 a.m. CST

    its very obvious

    by strangernparadis

    in reading this review that the writer has not read the storyline. I for one really enjoyed the movie. So much as to say it is the best Superman movie ever. let the bashing begin

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 2:49 a.m. CST

    "I also enjoyed Mask of the Phantasm"

    by Pops Freshemeyer

    Oh yeah? You also enjoyed Mask of the Phantasm? Get the fuck out of here. How does somebody merely "enjoy" THE GREATEST BATMAN MOVIE EVER MADE? As far as the Superman/Doomsday thing goes, I've got zero interest, just like the Marvel direct to video movies. I already saw a pretty good version of Superman vs. Doomsday in Justice League Unlimited and if this isn't going to be better I don't have time to waste on it. If Time Warner wants to spend money on making comic book movies, let's see a REAL Teen Titans movie, not the garbage series on Cartoon Network. You give me the Judas Contract storyline as a movie and I'll be there. And give me 100 Bullets while you're at it...

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah...

    by Pops Freshemeyer

    Superman movies will always suck until they man up and give us a real Lex Luthor based on the Clancy Brown version, instead of the retarded Gene Hackman/Kevin Spacey version. Sure, the Donner flicks were great when I was six, but it's been a long damn time since I was six years old. And making a Superman flick based on the shitty Kevin Smith flick would be a waste of money of superheroic proportions. You might as well make a Waterworld 2...

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 2:55 a.m. CST


    by strangernparadis

    the Judas Contract movie is after New Frontiers

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 3:03 a.m. CST

    No shit?

    by Pops Freshemeyer

    Awesome. You just made my day. Of course, it's still pretty early in the day. There's still hope that cast of Friends could fall into a wood chipper or something, you know?

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Hi Yackbacker...

    by nonsensical

    That's all.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 4:06 a.m. CST

    WB just doesn't care about the fans anymore...

    by Monkey_King

    that's why they put out sub-par product that 1) doesn't follow comic continuity 2) doesn't utilize the original voice cast from earlier, more successful shows and 3) forces fans to watch terrible animation that's no up to snuff with the anime-esque Bat/Supes/Justice League toons we love. Way to go WB!

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 4:48 a.m. CST

    I wouldn't be too happy about Judas Contract

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Yet another classic storyline for them to fuck up, since Supes/Doomsday was so mishandled.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Begins and Nolan

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Okay, are you crazy? Batman Begins was awesome. Granted I am biased, Batman being my favorite character and Nolan one of my fave directors. But the shit was well done, across the board. Stellar cast, except for Katie, who incidentally talked out of one side of her mouth because she had a mini stroke shortly after visiting a fortune teller, who had informed her of her future of the next few years. And Batman wouldn't have tried to save Ra's?? Are you kidding me? Do you know the character at all? This is a guy who brings the Joker back to Arkham at least 5 times a year, instead of killing the insane clown. Body count be damned! Oh and the Prestige was the second best movie of last year, after Departed, so get your head out of yer ass. The ending was phenomenal.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 4:57 a.m. CST

    My alternate SR title

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    It May Not Have Been Great, But At Least The Hero Didn't Go Emo And Dance.....TWICE. Okay that has to be my last Spidey 3 bash, the world gets that it sucked. Tonight I get a new handle.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Gawd Damnit...

    by Judge Briggs

    I don't know why they didn't have the Justice League team work on this... if it ain't broke, why try to fix it?

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Garrison is a homophobe

    by mrjoker

    None of my friends nor I once felt that this film had any "homo-erotic phrases or imagery". If you felt that way then you are projecting. This movie was in no way a perfect film, but that is definitely not an accurate criticism (IS it a criticism anyway?).

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Colier Rannd HAHAHA

    by messi

    funniest poster here. philosophy in superman returns and none in begins? Begins was a whole introspective look into the mind of someone who has lost it and because he was traumatized as a kid he reacted like one, with gadgets not guns, he's not someone who wants to save people from criminals, he wants to hurt them. What did superman returns have? you fucking idiot. Read Birthright(even though it has major problems) or action comics 775 if you want to understand what superman really is.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Superman went emo?

    by messi

    Since when did Superman listen to Rites of Spring and early Fugazi?

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Already on my blockbuster total access account...

    by qweruiop

    Just for the sole reason of seeing how it plays out. 50/50 chance with me right now, although I'm reserving my judgement until I see it. But why oh why do they have those lines on Superman's cheek. They look absolutely horrible. And at least from the promo Video they made Lex like 90 pounds lighter too. Btw what about SUPERBAD articles? Has anyone heard of that movie being listed around here? It seems like it was never covered on this website hehe.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    I got the DVD last night and

    by Omar B

    I got the DVD last night and I gotta say I love it. It's not the comic, it's a movie and you have to take work of art as an end in and of itself. Having said that, it stands on it's own, tells the death, shows the world without him and worked in the pretenders to the throne. The new art made Superman look a bit older but his body/costume looked even cooler than the STAS/JL versions. I just wished it was longer, these DC movies should be shooting for 2 hours.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    If it doesn't equal or surpass Mask of the Phantasm ...

    by Doc_Strange

    Then there's really no point in watching DC comic movies at all. MOTP was the GREATEST DC movie ever, comic book or live action. Yes that's saying a lot. It is definitive in terms of character development and action yet also maintains respect for the characters and their origins and blends it all nicely into a fantastic companion piece into the origin of Batman and his war on crime. Batman TAS was the absolute pinnacle in TV animation, PERIOD!! Sadly everything DC produced after has just not been up to snuff.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Superman Doomsday

    by houbou

    I agree with Garrison, the Superman/Doomsday movie, to me, seems wrong. Why? Well, the rendering and drawing of Lois, Superman and Lex, seemed just wrong, I mean, Superman's face, with those lines in the face, what's with that? And Lex, seemed too slim to me. The face, too narrow. As for the voices, well, Superman's voice was comparable to whoever did his voice in the Animated series, but Lex, was off, way off. As for Lois's voice, it was ok, again, comparable to the animated series. The animation itself wasn't as fluid as I would have expected it. The story, was, well, way too much adapted from the original comic book storyline. Superman/Lois dating? Should be married... Superman/Doomsday fighting? No Justice League. Superman/Doomsday dying, ok... Lex makes a clone.... ??? No Cadmus, etc... Superman's body snatched by his robot. 20 days later, recuperates, but wait.. long hair? that long? in 20 days? :) Anyways, I'm a bit dissapointed. I would have expected something more in tune with the comics. Again, this was, "loosely" adapted from the comics. In a way, I kinda wish they had kept the same animation/drawing style as the Animated Series. I don't understand why, when something works, they have to fuzz with it.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    It's funny...

    by Kal El Vis

    But you have the TWO people claiming to "like" Singerman Repugnant, acting like they "got" something EVERYONE ELSE "didn't"? Nevermind IGNORING all the SPOT ON criticism of this trash, they instead focus on things they made-up in their minds to be able to "swallow" BS' misguided fanboy-gasm. Fucking retards. Oh, and don't be thinking there will BE a Singerman sequel. JLA has put US out of BS' misery.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Here's another title:

    by Kal El Vis

    "I Ditched My Responsibilities To Go To Krypton, and All I Got Was This Ugly Costume"

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Fuck this shit.

    by TheRapeOfEuropa

    why couldnt they have it more realistic. the animation sucks ass and the story line is complete nonsense. not even close to the actual story of our time. doesnt it suck when the gay ass studios get their hands on a lame ass director to oversee prjects of this magnitude. i think so.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Say what you want, but peshit crazy Lex works

    by Harold The Great

    The main difference between Clancy Luthor and Masters Luthor (aside from doing PG13 shit) is that the crazyness was a lot deeper and subtle in Clancy's Luthor, only surfacing on rare occasions (when he was dying of cancer, etc.) Masters Luthor's genius is more in-your-face, but so is his madness. Especially his creepy love-hate relationship to Supes. Maybe cuz I didn't except it in a cartoon, but I was saying "What the fuck?" out loud at certain scenes with him and Mercy and the Supes clone. I liked this Lex too, and the Supes Clone also had some cheesy 50's "Step aside citizen" kind of lines that made him sufficiently creepy for my taste.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Not sure

    by Elored2

    Got this today and gave it a quick look over. The action looked good, but I'm unconvinced by the facial animation on the male character's faces, very distracting. I'm not too keen on the voice work here for Superman or Luthor. Then again I've never been pleased by an animated version of Superman in the modern era (except Clancy Brown's Luthor). I know people don't like the original comic, but I do enjoy it. It's structure worked well at that time in respect of the Justice League comics and it delivered the Reign of the Supermen, which I think after the great bout and the loss was the real story the writers had to tell. For me that story really gave so much great reading, but then I was always a Dan Jurgens fan on the Superman book. DC is still working from the ideas delivered back then - John Henry Irons/ Hal Jordan/ Parallax/ Superboy. I think both DC and Marvel need to take the gloves off with these features and put the books up there on the screen. Like Ultimates this feels very watered down and in the end doesn't deserve repeat viewings. In this day and age I still believe both Superman and Batman, done properly would excel as live action television shows (i.e. don't change the Batman movie format on TV and make sure Superman is treated like science fiction and not romantic comedy, taking out the emphasis on the Lois Lane love story. It's dominant in all the incarnations of Superman and it just doesn't work when it's so intense). I have to agree with Houbou, the animated series worked well and should never have been updated. It has a real timeless quality to it.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Oh, and the big blue puking blood during the fight

    by Harold The Great

    realizing he's not gonna win this one was neato.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST


    by Lev_Harris

    "At best, I'd compare this to the sub-par Ultimate Avengers films as opposed to the great DC animated works that we've gotten in the past." Amen, although Mystery of the Batwoman was pretty crap too. What a waste of a PG 13 rating. Keep the blood and sex out of it, and concentrate on making a better story next time. What's the point of seeing people die on screen if their death means nothing anyways?

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Kal El Vis

    by Snookeroo

    Genius, dude. Thanks for making my day.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST


    by Andillformthehead

    They made Superman look Simian....

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    70 minutes is to short

    by strangernparadis

    If it's not worth doing for a couple of hours then it's not worth doing at all. I realize they want to be able to fill a CN movie slot but since they basicly own the place I don't see how a schedule shift would be dificult to pull off. This was a really good movie and I think they handled it well. Being a Superman junkie from WAY back, I thought this was the best characterization of Supes ever. the added touch of hanging on until he made sure that everyone was OK and that Doomsday was stopped was spot on the Big Blue. and since everyone is referencing Superman Returns, at least there was a lot of Superman in this Superman movie. Unlike SR. I mean I really wanted to like SR but I just couldn't.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns...

    by Andillformthehead

    Was soulless crap with characters no one cared about. <br> And DC animation better be careful or Marvel might sneak up on them in the quality department.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Smallville is ten times better than Singer's Superman!

    by jojo-pimp

    This cartoon wasnt half bad. dont listen to the douchebag who wrote the review. Anne Heche did a great job voicing Lois Lane. Lex had a few good one liners. Yeah, the part with Lex fighting the clone superman was a little homo-erotic...but hey..lex was literally getting off on beating up a superman clone..what else can ya expect!

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    The fight is on youtube

    by INWOsuxRED

    I assume the reason Superman lives is because the fight was between Doomsday and Bizarro. Why would you animate Superman's face in such a way?

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Bender as a Super Villain

    by Lev_Harris

    Don't forget the guest appearance by Bender in an emo-meatbag suit.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST

    not a continuity nutcase, but....

    by crankyoldguy

    in this case, they blew it. They should have created a story that linked with JLU/JL and the prior Supes and Bats series before 'em, even with new voice talent. Losing the varous Superman variations for Luther's creation? Also a poor move. Which doesn't make the film bad, just another case of knowing what they could've done. It's a step up from The Braniac DVD (Clancy Brown as Braniac? WTF??) Still have high hopes for the adaptation of New Frontier.

  • Sept. 19, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST


    by Kal El Vis

    No problem, bro. They wouldn't be funny if they weren't TRUE....

  • Sept. 20, 2007, 12:28 a.m. CST

    SUPERMAN RETURNS was fantastic

    by TTMan

    Although it's easy to see why a comic book movie which is better than its printed source, and defies the juvenile expectations of overweight, virginal fanboys, and has artistically accomplished more than what any of these idiot talkbackers will due in a collective lifetime, might find it imperfect. You idiots who have nothing better to do than eat Domino's pizzas, play World of Warcraft, and whack off to chicks kissing on YouTube while downloading picture of Megan Fox or Britney Spears, should realize that stupid comments about SUPERMAN RETURNS only confirm your miserable existence.

  • Sept. 20, 2007, 12:32 a.m. CST


    by TTMan

    At the end of Superman II, the producers promised "Coming Soon: Superman III." It has taken 26 years for that promise to be fulfilled. To be sure, there were movies in the 1980s called Superman III and Superman IV, but those were bad jokes masquerading as motion pictures, unimaginative stories cashing in on a pay-day. These many years later, Bryan Singer has gotten it right. In fact, Superman Returns is not only a credit to the first two Superman movies; it may be the best of the series. Its combination of romance and fantasy adventure is unparalleled in superhero comic book-to-movie sagas. What differentiates Superman Returns from the average superhero movie is its focus on the love story between Superman (Brandon Routh) and Lois Lane (Kate Bosworth). If you think Mary Jane and Peter Parker are star crossed, they've got nothing on this couple. Of course, the Lois/Superman pairing has never been simple. Clark Kent has always been lurking around. Now, there are further complications. With Superman having been away from Earth for the better part of a half-decade, Lois has moved on in a big way. She has a son, Jason (Tristan Leabu), and a boyfriend, Richard (James Marsden), although she resolutely refuses to marry him. Maybe it has something to do with the man of her dreams. Some may not appreciate the amount of screen time devoted to these characters and their romantic interaction but, for me, it provides balance. Suddenly, Superman Returns has more to offer than a megalomaniac seeking world dominion -although it has that as well. When last we saw Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey), he was played by Gene Hackman and was off to prison. So, like Superman, he has been out of the spotlight for a while. He's "yesterday's news." Once free, however, he is more determined than ever to make his mark on the face of the globe. He visits Superman's Fortress of Solitude and pilfers all the crystals. With these, he intends to create a new continent and destroy a few of the old ones in the process. Superman, newly returned from a futile outer space search for other survivors from Krypton, will (of course) oppose his old nemesis, but this time Luthor is ready for him. Revenge is a dish served cold, with Kryptonite icing. Superman's return to once again aid mankind may be short-lived. Gone are Christopher Reeve, Margot Kidder, and Gene Hackman. It's a credit to their replacements that they're not missed, at least within the context of the film. Brandon Routh channels his predecessor, although his version of Clark is a little less gawky. Kate Bosworth provides an altogether different take on Lois - a sexier, more modern view. She's prettier than Kidder, and there's more chemistry in her scenes with her co-star. Kevin Spacey's Luthor is cut from the same mold as Hackman's, except he's more cruel and less flippant. He has his share of one-liners but, when it comes down to it, he doesn't waste time with drawn-out monologues. That's when he's at his most brutal. There are no miscasts to be found in the supporting cast, either. Parker Posey's Kitty fills the function of Miss Teschmacher - Luthor's female stooge who has a soft spot for the Man of Steel. James Marsden, following director Bryan Singer to Metropolis from Professor X's school, has the tricky role of playing the foil in Lois and Superman's romance without coming across as a jerk. Richard is a nice guy. Eva Marie Saint plays Clark's Earth mother, who gets to find her son and almost lose him again. The only returning cast member from the original Superman is Marlon Brando, with archival footage recreating his limited part as Jor-El, Superman's biological father. For those who go to superhero movies for the action, rest assured there's plenty of that. While the extended climactic sequence is the movie's longest and most involved, I was partial to the rescue of a space shuttle and airplane, which heralds the Man of Steel's return to his adopted planet. It's a great moment, filled with tension, and topped off with top-notch special effects. Visually, Superman Returns offers the kind of upgrade one would expect after a quarter century layoff. This time, you really believe a man can fly. Composer John Ottman puts his ego aside and gives John Williams' original music plenty of play. Singer provides us with a blast from the past with opening credits. Not only is the music 100% Williams, but the lettering nearly replicates that which was used in Superman and Superman II. There are other unobtrusive homages to the first two films, from Lois' spelling faux pas to Luthor's love of maps. Singer may not be a fan of the Superman comic books, but his affection for and knowledge of what Richard Donner brought to the screen is evident. Superman Returns clocks in at a fat 157 minutes, but I hardly noticed the passage of time. The movie had me enthralled from opening to closing. One could easily argue that Singer used his time in the X-Men universe as an opportunity to hone his superhero movie skills. Superman Returns is near the top - if not at the top - of the superhero movie pile. It offers nearly everything: romance, action, humor, and plenty of goose bumps. For Superman, many happy returns.

  • Sept. 20, 2007, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Serious question: why didn't Routh voice Superman?

    by Big Dumb Ape

    I don't get it. Last time I checked, Warners had announced that they fully intend to go ahead with another live action film, SUPERMAN: THE MAN OF STEEL -- to give the franchise one more shot -- and that Routhe would be returning as Superman. Frankly, he was pretty much one of the ONLY saving graces in the SUPERMAN RETURNS, at least I thought so.<p>I know Routh did the voice work for the SR video game, so why didn't Warner's have him do the voice work here as well, if nothing else to give Superman a constant voice? What, is Routh NOT doing the next movie? What, Warner animation WOULDN'T pony up the money to pay him to voice this Doomsday thing? I mean, I haven't seen the guy doing...well, anything...since SR came out, so it's not like his schedule was THAT booked up. And I sure would've preferred him over Baldwin.<p>So what was the deal? Anyone know?

  • Sept. 20, 2007, 6:40 a.m. CST

    total crap

    by Internet Thug

    so bad i wanted to watch highlander 2 to cleanse my palette.

  • Sept. 20, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST


    by Kal El Vis

    Is a fucking moron. Or Bryan Singer. And since they are one and the same, either is sufficient.

  • Sept. 20, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Because WB washed their hands of him?

    by Kal El Vis

    Sorry, WB is NOT making a sequel to Singerman Repugnant. It's JLA, followed by solo Superman films that WON'T be ruined by a director with a lack of vision. And even if they are? STILL better than Singerman, and that untalented 2X4 by the name of "BJ" Routh.

  • Sept. 20, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Watched the video last night

    by Snookeroo

    Gotta say -- it wasn't bad. I enjoyed it. I agree, though, about the lines on Superman's face -- very distracting, and incorrect from an anatomical standpoint. My main problem was that there really was no need for this to be PG-13;the story would have worked perfectly well without it. It was fairly callous on DC's part to throw in gratuitous blood and language, when they know good and well that kids will be watching this -- it was just blatant pandering to the fanboys.

  • Sept. 20, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST


    by Snookeroo

    I'm a lifelong Superman fan, and was really really jazzed for Superman Returns. But dude, it was a snoozefest. Everything about that movie was either mis-cast or misconceptualized. Granted, Singer definitely respected the character, but he didn't respect the source material. Donner's movie is NOT the source material -- 70 years of comic lore is. Face it -- he just missed the mark.

  • Sept. 22, 2007, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Doctor Strange Animated

    by Redmantle

    It sucked donkey balls. That's my official review of Dr. Strange animated. No mystery, they made him part of a team of kung-fu mystics who fight demons in NYC from their base in friggin Tibet. JMS tried to pull a Strange as Neo oonceit and they try it here as well. Strange ain't Neo. Strange isn't the "One". Strange is cool on his own terms. You screwed up again Marvel animated.