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Darren Aronofsky’s FOUNTAIN Commentary Online Now!
Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here. I got this note a few days ago, but just now got to it in my e-mail box. This is great news. Niko’s the guy who recorded the commentary track with Darren Aronofsky for his film THE FOUNTAIN, the same commentary track that Warner Bros. decided not to include on the DVD. He’s the same guy who made that kickass documentary that’s on the DVD, a really well-made behind-the-scenes document. Now he’s finally made the commnentary available for anyone interested. Check this out.
Hey there Drew its Niko here... the guy who did the movie behind the scenes of The Fountain anyway just wanted to give you a heads up that Darrens site that i built for him is up now and has the commentary on it too. SWEET! Check it out here. thanks Niko
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Aronofsky's a cinematic God!
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The Fountain is the only Aronofsky movie that I really really liked, to me it had a unique vision and I really wish people could embrace it more.
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Instead of listening and watching the movie at my computer like some shit-chucking ape!
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The Fountain is by far one of the most powerful films I saw this year. I live in wellington and found it playing at only one small theatre in the city. I went and saw it a few times as the entire film captured me. The ideas, visuals, music, acting...everything just swept me up in this film and its sad to see a film that is so great get no supoort by the studio and audiences. I beleive in time that this film will become a beloved classic. I cant wait to watch it with this commentary. Good on Aronofsky for puttin this out there, even when the studio wouldnt.
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The Fountain moved me very much and I thought all my mates and especially my wife would fall in love with it too but alas they didn't buy it<P>I know what it means to me but when they asked me to 'Explain' it I simply couldn't do it justice. All I know is personally it's not pretentious or up it's own arse, it was a perfectly crafted love story which was very well performed and beautifully made and I thank Aronofsky for it and this link for continuing my apreciation of this film, along with Pans Labrynth and Children of Men it's one of the best movie experiences I've had recently.
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"And in this shot, i was trying to show the interconnectedness of all things, love and loss, by depicting my wife's character as a tree in a futuristic space bubble with a bald hugh jackman travelling to a really funky nebula".<p> Should be a blast to listen to.
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That´s my opinion.
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Yet I still didn't seem to like it as much as quite a few did here. I didn't hate it. Infact I thought it was one of the most refreshing films I've seen in a long time. Technical yet soulful. <br> <br> But I don't know why it didn't connect to me. I loved how it was like seeing a violinist playing their heart out on a solo. You just couldn't ignore the passion he had to make this film. <br> <br> It was a wondeful little poem by an interesting director. The idea of all things being one and at the same time being beyond our grasp is wonderful. I really admired and enjoyed it, but it didn't sweep me away. Definitely want to hear the commentary. <br> <br> The soundtrack is amazing. Clint Mansell makes wonderful music when paired with Aronofsky's material.
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Looking forward to listening to this when I get home, fuckin' love that movie. Also, MaxTheSilent, 'like some shit-chucking ape' has just been entered into my big book of hilarious catchphrases, in the section 'All Purpose Suffixes'. www.lost.eu/66586
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Still cracks me up. This movie sucks. "Not a pretentious film"? Are you fucking with me? OMG, what a pile of pretentious dog shit.
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The script for that was apparently amazing.
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It really felt like ideas he felt passionately about. I don't know how that's pretentious. Maybe I just don't like the word "pretentious". But as El Duderino said "That's like... your opinion man." <br> <br> PS. One funny ass moment happened while watching that film. When the film ended and the lights went up all the people in the audience were dead silent. No one seemed into it. Then this lady in the back cried out "What the hell happened!?" Hee hee. It's definitely one of those kind of films.
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Come on, Darren. You know you want to...
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i understand if someone finds it confusing, or too abstract, or even pretentious (i think it's none of those things), but to out and out hate THE FOUNTAIN? how could someone describe this as a bad movie? it's a wonderfully made film -- the cinematography is wonderful, the acting is excellent, the music is absolutely beautiful. if it bores you, or you don't "get it" -- finw, whatever. but to HATE the film would, to me mind, indicate that you don't know fuck-all about film in the first place. THE FOUNTAIN was, for me, the best film of 2006. it *really* connected with me, it spoke to my feelings about life and death and it brought out the romantic in me in it's notion of immortal love. every time i watch this movie, and it's been over a dozen times now, i get very emotionally caught up in it. there is so much pain and tragedy woven throughout, but also courage and resilience, fortitude and dedication, and most of all *passion*. someone above said that this is what is so evident in this film; the passion involved in making it. i couldn't agree more, and watching the dvd doc on the long arduous process of trying to get the film made is testament to that passion, and it's in every frame of this moving and masterfully crafted film. i can't wait to listen to the commentary, to hear aronofsky talk about what he created, and to again spend some time enraptured in his beautiful work of art.
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It's as if certain kinds of subject matter simply inspire people to use that word. Spirituality is usually a big no-no in cinema, especially when it's tackled head-on. If someone had pitched this movie to me, my first reaction would probably also have been to label it as pretentious. But Aronofsky pulled it off, and in a way no-one else ever has. I just think that kind of passion in telling your story is very rare indeed.
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is there a way to download this???? what if it gets taken down, AY!
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or THE VAGINA TREE MONOLOGUES are both more accurate titles
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are failures at life.
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before I will sit through this fucking awful movie again. I tried to like it, I really did. Everytime I started thinking I could make myself like it, it just got shitty again. This is a baaaad movie.
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direct download:<P>http://www.darrenaronofsky.com/Media/Fountain_commentary.mp3
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Because there´s no other way to describe his movie: Pretentious. Sorry, but i´m not into New Age stuff.
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it's interesting and has a few anecdotes but he doesn't go into the explanations much. I guess it'd take away the whole having to come up with an opinion or idea by thinking about it yourself. Bah, but i'm to lazy, just tell me what it all means!
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spaces out. Just a heads up. Or am I missing something? <br> <br> Vickaz post points out that this movie is truly a personal film. It's one of those films that just either connects with you or it doesn't. It didn't really connect with me, but I admired it like a good conversation.
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Isn't it more pretentious to make bad movies with corny jokes, lame action, actors playing their own personas and no story and assume that the audience will love because it has celebrities in nice suits than to make a film like The Fountain that at least tries to give the audience a compelling story with some real characters?
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'making (unjustified) claims to special merit or importance.' Quite subjective then, huh?
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The Ocean's films are not pretentious! They're funny, stylish films with a great cast and a brilliant director! You fuckstick! Geez... (P.S. Thanks for stepping up for The Fountain, Spandau ol' buddy. You're very special to me...)
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It worked for me over the weekend, though.
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MOTHERFUCKING MOGWAI!
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There's this awesome thing called The Red Carpet, it's got celebrities strutting around in nice clothes doing nothing, it's like and Ocean's 11 movie with an even bigger, better and more wasted cast.
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Does the Oscars have Matt Damon being under-appreciated year after year? No, wait....
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I lost interest in the first ten minutes.
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Sept. 17, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST
Also, I don't think The Fountain needs any explanations
by Knuckleduster
Certainly not in the way that some of Lynch's films do. I'm a huge Lynch fan, by the way. But he himself has said in a number of interviews that narrative logic isn't really a concern of his, and that he doesn't really care as long as his films make sense in terms of tone and emotion (even though I do think there's some form of narrative sense to even his most abstract of works). That's why so many people get frustrated and tend to need some sort of explanation after watching something like Mulholland Drive. The Fountain, on the other hand, I don't find confusing at all in terms of narrative. It's fairly clear what happens, isn't it? Sure, you apply your own notions of existence and faith to it (I agree, it's a very personal film), but claiming that Aronofsky doesn't know what he's doing seems like a bit of a cheap shot.
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what no guns go bang bang in the first ten minutes?...
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I liked Pi, but I gave it to a friend after Requiem, I absolutely hate that movie. Stylization has no place in a film about drugs. I actually heard a Freshman at my college say, "that movie has sweet visuals...' I can tell you there is nothing cool about heroin. And to stylize the film leads viewers away from the crucial elements in the story. And that guy is tapping rachel Weisz. So i hate him. And Sam Mendes. They scored the only two hot British girls around.
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Eventhough parts of Requiem were shot nice that movie was far from painting any drug in a good light. I thought the style worked. There's not one way to tell a story nor one way to view an idea. <br> <br> The hole in the arm will haunt me for years.
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The Fountain is meant to interpreted the way you would any other myth; if you literally think Hugh Jackman is floating with a tree through space, you've missed the point long ago. And LORDRANDO, Requiem is probably scarier to me than any horror movie I've ever seen, and its stylization played a big part in that. A movie about drugs should absolutely convey the horrors of addiction in any way possible.
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...you could take the biggest crack whore in downtown Detroit and after watching "Requiem for a Dream", she would be horrified sober for at least 3 days.<BR> <BR> My wife (not a crack whore) was sobbing miserably when that movie ended. Yeah, the visuals are stylized, but they only add to the films power (in my opinion).<BR> <BR> And just for the record, I loved the Fountain. Whoever complained that its nothing but an empty Rorschach test should back up a second. Name one great work of art that isn't open to interpretation by it audience. That's what makes art 'art'.
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Actually Clint Mansell scored the film, while Mogwai mainly added some psychedelic elements to the score...One of the best scores from 06'
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Great flick. I also love how this movie brings out every asshat I hate.
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The way everything is editted all fast and overexposed with no attention given to consistent tone, narrative clarity, geography or sequence? Transformers was a million times more abstract than Mullholland Drive. I guess Michael Bay is really sensitive and so he's giving us the world from his percpective where everything is just a bunch of loud noises, blurry sports cars, crass jokes, and melodramatic speechifying the same way David Lynch sees the world as ominous, ugly, and deceptive. I liked that lady at the end of Mullholland Drive saying "Silencio", I think they should've done the same thing with Bernie Mac's character in Transformers.
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but if you found yourself befuddled by it, you're probably kind of lame, and better stay far away from the complex masterworks Fountain pilfers a bit from, like 12 Monkeys and Solaris...
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When I saw this movie I was amazed. Then I read the book and realized that I probably could not have understood the book if it were not for the movie. My problem is the ass to ass scene. Now I am not some prude, I enjoy nudity like everyone who uses this site does. Its just the whole ass-to-ass scene was added into the movie for shock value and I get it and it works and all. I just hate how now whene ever people mention this movie they mention ass-to-ass and it kind of cheapens the movie, they way it was handled in the book just as shocking but I guess not as memorable. As for Muhollad Dr. that movie pretty much made sense for the first hour, then Lynch found out no one wanted to pick it up as a show, so he just made it whatever for the last 1/3rd.
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When I saw this movie I was amazed. Then I read the book and realized that I probably could not have understood the book if it were not for the movie. My problem is the ass to ass scene. Now I am not some prude, I enjoy nudity like everyone who uses this site does. Its just the whole ass-to-ass scene was added into the movie for shock value and I get it and it works and all. I just hate how now whene ever people mention this movie they mention ass-to-ass and it kind of cheapens the movie, they way it was handled in the book just as shocking but I guess not as memorable. As for Muhollad Dr. that movie pretty much made sense for the first hour, then Lynch found out no one wanted to pick it up as a show, so he just made it whatever for the last 1/3rd.
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by a long shot.
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I am at work and I am not as intiment with this computer as I am with the one at home, so I don't know when its just taking forever or wasn't doing anything. Sorry for my poor TB ediquette.
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Or complex even? What the fuck? <p> I really, really liked The Fountain on a technical level, but the 'spirituality' seemed way too shallow for me. 'Death isn't the end' and 'everything is connected' can be found on any housewife's 'thought of the day' calendar, regardless of how well it was visualised. So yeah, I loved the visuals, the score, the direction (pretty much every shot, sequence or visual is repeated or mirrored somewhere else in the film in an actual meaningful way) and the performances, but the 'message' didn't do much for me.
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hands down the best film of '06, and i haven't seen a new film that compares so far this year.
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Can't wait to listen.
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I thought that scene was very effective. Any scene that can make Jennifer Connely seem disgusting and unappealing while having kinky lesbian sex has worked some kind of magic. That was one of the saddest points of the movie.
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The last portion of the film is the reality. The firts part is Naomi Watt's dream right before she kills herself. Note all the characters at the dinner party, landlord, cowboy, etc. The idea is that Naomi is a failed actress who dreams that she had what it takes but the mafia conspired to keep her out. Hence "this is the girl" with Camilla rhodes.
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Please post.
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And never brought myself to put the DVD back in the player. Did it improve and have a point other than Jackman loves dying British chicks he may or may not deserve... sometimes in a tree? I loved Pi and Requiem, but the Fountain was killing me. Up to the point I fell asleep, it seemed like three movies in different times about nothing.
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The critical assailment of serious auteurs in terms of being "pretentious" or "parodies of themselves" is as tired as the earth is old. It's also a default (perhaps chosen in the absense of any real synapse activity); a review that seldom reveals much of either the critic or, in this case, the critiqued, but always provides the critic with snappy (or so they think) antagonistic fodder. Hasn't Darren Aronofsky already proven himself in this medium - enough so that he might avoid such broad-based barbs? Hasn't he already shown that his vision will not be forfeited to or scuplted by the superplex phenomenon and the slack-jawed masses teeming therein? Should this simple-minded critique also, in the same breath, be extended to other proven masters (past and present) in thw field? What about Kubrick (long-take aesthetic), Bergman (mise en scene), Bunuel, or even Lynch (surreal)... aren't all of these forms of pretentiousness as well? I'm afraid that there are too many talented directors and too many 5c words available to neatly summarize their works to do any of them justice. And perhaps too many 1c TBers eager to avoid an educated discussion in favor of the quick retort.
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This movie was amazingly beautiful and I connected with the characters and... blah, blah, blah. Pretentious! There, I said it! It was and if you say it wasn't then you’re not at one with you inner dork. It's ok to have loved this film, but it's a masterpiece of spirituality, so people should be allowed to hate it too. It was deeper than Rachel Weisz's 'gina. As for you "smart people", STFU, and stop expressing that you're smarter than others. Smart people don't need to defend themselves, but they also shouldn't trample on the sheep.
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AUG! Big words.. hurt.. my brain... *STABS EYES REPEATEDLY WITH PENCIL*
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Gonna try and babelfish that whole post...
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I just didn't feel anything, I wasn't convinced by the love. I love solaris, I love stalker, I love Lynch and I love Requiem.. and Pi but this just didn't do anything for me. Ther was some nice cinematography. I mostly agree with this. http://film.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/Critic_Review/Guardian_review/0,,1998477,00.html
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Not all that impressed by The Fountain, I would have loved it and thought it was the best movie of the year when I was in college. Twenty years later, I just find it . . . okay. All right to watch, once or twice. Not bad. Better luck next time, Aronofsky!
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It's a fucking dump job of a beautiful movie. I saw it 3 times in the theater and I loved it. Hopefully sometime in the near future they'll redo the DVD and DO IT RIGHT, add behind the scenes and the commentary. But it'll probably be a long wait. If the above haters are a cross section of america I won't be holding my breath. (sigh)
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I was all choked up in the theater & I didn't have anyone to hug. Fucking heart-warming, not like Bambi though, different. I think the upcoming Wolverine movie should be done by Aronofsky as a musical ala Barber of Seville. Logan already has built in clippers...
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I've had it but haven't gotten around to watching it. Tonight - or maybe after I finish the last four episodes of "Jekyll" hmmm....
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"So you see, I really love Rachel Weisz. I mean more then anything. And I feel that some day Hollywood, here represented by cancer, will take her away from me and I'll be broken. Broken!" Yeah I get. Very clever. <p> Still sucked.
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but I don't own it. So it doesn't really make much sense for me to listen to this right now. But I don't understand why they wouldn't put the commentary on the DVD if it was already recorded. Does it cost more money or something?
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I had just finished watching this for the first time last night, and I had just looked up Moriarity's review for curiosity. I'll have to give this a listen before I send it back to Netflix.
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Right down to the leather bound book and the mix of reality and fantasy.
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I think this is hands down the love it or hate movie of 2006 if not for a long time. Because I have never read one quasi like/dislike for the Fountain. Its either cupping the balls amazing, or finger in the ass horrible for everyone, and not only here but normal people the people I saw it with were totally divided as well. There is no middle ground for this movie.
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The only problem with your explanation is that the "this is the girl" part is casting the replacement of Camilla Rhodes (Or did I just misread the last part?).
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The film is not perfect but it has too much going for it not to be talked about now and down the road. Amazing cinematography (looks great in blue ray), intersting story, brilliant score, good acting. Kubrick got a ton of bad reviews of his movies when they came out. Time will tell what Darren can accomplish. Not saying his the next Kubrick. Kinda works like Kubrick. Long stretches between movies. lates
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One can simply enjoy it for the unique story and emotion alone... it's not some super new age religious belief promotion... stop taking it hyper literally... The film isn't pretentious... anyone who sat through that and can only sum up the film with that one word is a dumbass. The ones who liked it are just smarter than them... that's why they hate and despise it, because it shows off their inner moron.
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... to compare Aranofsky with Kubrick. It's like comparing Mozart with Billy Joel.
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A husaband and wife both dealing with the wife dying. The wife writes a book to help her deal with her death and the husband writes the rest of the book after she dies to help him come to terms with her death. So we see the external and internal world of both people as they each come to terms with the situation. It is clearly shown in the movie that the past and future storylines are created from the imagination of both characters as a method to deal with their seperate issues. We all saw the same movie right? Whats all the confusion?
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Naw, Tommy really does hop into a space bubble after finding a cure for death. The Conquistador stuff takes place in Izzy's book, but the space bubble stuff is all real. Remember, it's Space Bubble Tommy that is remembering the 2006 events.
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Did people know that Kubrick was going to be KUBRICK three films in? Anyways, I wasn't comparing him to Kubrick. I was making the point of films growing in stature with time. I think The Fountain will be look upon better in the years ahead. I look foward to his next film. later.
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I don't know. It was okay. I didn't love it, didn't hate it. Might watch it again if I run across it on cable. I don't think there's that much there to love or hate. Certainly has it's moments, though. I've sat through some horrible cinema before, and this wasn't it. Unlike, say, House of Sand and Fog, which I 100% hated without any equivocation, and wish I could have the 2 hours of my life I wasted watching that piece of crap bag so I could devote it to something useful, like clipping my toenails or getting to drunk to walk and barfing. <br><br>The Fountain was much better than House of Sand and Fog.
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I clicked on the link before it went down, so as long as I don't shut the window, I have the track. Isn't there a way to save quicktime files from your cache somehow???
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Space Bubble Tommy remembers Weisz/Queen as a real person. He is fiction.
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Even my woman said this movie was ass-crap. Talk about reaching for something that's not there. I rented this really expecting a good, heart wrenching, thought inducing, intelligent flick. I was so pissed at the end knowing there was no way to get my time and money back. To all you so called men out there that say you liked this...go find your balls and glue them back on.
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Nope. Space Bubble Tommy is the primary character of the film, and everything else is fiction or in the past. The 21st century events obviously lead up to the 24th century events, because Tommy in the 21st century continues to work towards a cure for death. The whole movie's point breaks down if the 24th century Tommy is fiction. Check out the Wikipedia entries that cover the film and the graphic novel. It all becomes much more obvious.
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In Kill Bill how does the Bride know to take revenge on everyone if she isn't gunned down at her wedding until Vol.2? (Its the same thing)
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It makes the back story pointless if the future section is actually true. It means the movie shows the internal dialogue of one side of the relationship and not the other. Besides, the movie clearly shows him writing the future section.
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Whether I actually ever watch it, who knows!
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is when DA says just before the big trippy ending that "this is the place to pause the movie, and do what you need to do, if you know what I mean." Oh yeah we know, this whole movie was meant to be watched after ONE HUGE BONG RIP! Not his best film, but still dig the soundtrack and cinematography. I love that he tells us at what point to spark it up for the full experience he intended it to be!
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I didn't love the Fountain - I thought it was an interesting failure but I am curious enough to read this article and check out the talkbacks. But, lo and behold, there's always some asshole who just has to make his hatred of the film known to all and sundry. Don't you have somewhere else to be? Is there any reason to post other than to annoy those who might have a genuine admiration for what Aronofsky was trying to achieve? Round these parts as soon as a director tries to invest a genre film with *any* kind of substance he is immediately slagged off as "pretentious", the film pilloried as "boring". Aronofsky compromised considerably to bring this story to the screen and it is absolutely extraordinary for a director to so doggedly pursue so personal a project in this age of opening weekend BO obsessions and serving the bottom line. Surely you can muster enough respect for the guy to keep the bile in check, eh?
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except it's a Quicktime Pro file, so to actually save the file as prompted on the DA site, you have to pay thirty bucks to Apple to download the Pro version to save the free commentary track. I'm glad he posted it, great thing that more filmmakers should try, but why on Earth make it where you have to pay to save a copy? Is there some problem with posting it as a plain MP3 file, or putting it on iTunes as a podcast? As is, the commentary is useless to me, as my TV is in one room, and my computer is in another at the far end of the house. Any way around this prob?
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Right click the area next to the Fountain image (i.e. the black area) and click view page info. then click on the media tab. select the mp3 file and click save as. viola!
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I'll have to watch it again, because I definitely didn't realize the past and future were fiction...maybe Aronofsky left it ambiguous enough for different interpretations...but I'll watch it again to see.
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Or you COULD just hang out and listen to the flakes ramble at your local New Age bookstore.
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thought the point was that no one should try and live forever - it's pointless. Live for what you have, otherwise you'll just destroy yourself. I'm not sure it was much deeper than that. I appreciated the movie immensely, as cancer has been extremely prevalent in my family, but found a fair ammount of the dialogue flat. If a movie provokes discussion, and is polarizing, it's already better than 90% of the what's being released.
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at least the first half? I bet Fincher would make a dirty Rama...
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"if you let it load all the way and right click (windows), end bar - down arrow (Mac Quicktime) and save as source then import into iTunes you can have this forever and ever..just like Tommy!" <br> <br> There was also this: <br> "because of our recent server meltdown i have crushed this mp3 in half. Its still very intelligible and easy to hear. but not as crystal clear as the fullrez version. (who knows if someone sponsors me with a HUGE yummy server ill repost it)" <br> <br> The internet is fun.
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when anchorite and I agree wholeheartedly, including the Jim Cameron problem. Although I hope Morgan Freeman and Fincher get together on "Rendezvous with Rama", real science fiction is something the studios seem terrified of at the moment, witness Rise Of The Silver Surfer for proof - the genuine, epic scale sci-fi space opera is in deep chryo-slumber at the moment. It will come back though, as long as Avatar isn't a total flop, which is pretty unlikely no matter what it's quality.
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I guess they used up too much internets. Did anyone save it, or know where else it's hosted?
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