Sept. 15, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST
Yeah, I know, lame joke :P
Sept. 15, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST
by Big Bad Clone
The woman's face certainly is something of a patchwork.
Sept. 15, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST
If you were right, this movie would get an automatic 4 stars. But only if she played it deadly serious. That would fucking terrifying...
Sept. 15, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST
by I Own You
The film would then get an NC-17 rating, which I think most people shy from these days.
Sept. 15, 2007, 3:32 p.m. CST
by El Scorcho
Sept. 15, 2007, 3:41 p.m. CST
I can understand why your upset Paddy but Green Street was good.
Sept. 15, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST
Their response to the last shitty Punisher movie (where the Punisher doesn't kill anybody) is to make another shitty Punisher movie featuring a shitty villain that the Punisher can't kill. When the Punisher's in the hands of decent writers, he doesn't have a "rogue's gallery." The whole point of the character is that he finds criminals to murder and then he murders them.
Sept. 15, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST
for PUNISHER 2 for AICN!!
Sept. 15, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST
Sept. 15, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST
by barnaby jones
and Green Street is more than a mess, it's a disgrace.
Sept. 15, 2007, 4 p.m. CST
Anybody here ever read a Punisher Comic? Jigsaw was a big motherfucker who could go toe to toe with Frank. I want Mickey Rourke in that role, that would kick ass. They need to annouce that shit soon, yes if Paddy is so pissed he should send the script to Harry to be reviewed.
Sept. 15, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST
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Sept. 15, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST
then it really is a host remake. great, i didn't the host either...
Sept. 15, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST
That's a welcome change. There aren't enough female directors out there.
Sept. 15, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST
I think that's about right Xiphos. While Teh Punisher wasn't all that great, it certainly didn't pull an A-Team by any means. I'm guessing most folks want their Punisher in the same style as the recent John Rambo trailer...actually, I wouldn't mind that myself.
Sept. 15, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST
No worries, easy mistake to make. Anyway, I've never liked a Punisher movie and I think the reason is because he is not supposed to be a lone vigilante in the world, that makes him just another Charlie Bronson in deathwish. The thing about Frank Castle is that he is just a crazy guy in a world of superheroes who in his crazy genius has figured out that if he dresses like a superhero and only kills bad people, then the public will give him slack since he's as crazy as any other guy in a costume. The Punisher needs to exist, even only in media snips or a minor cameo or something, of =a fantastic world of superpowers and crazy shit. He needs to be an element of a universe, not just a character, for the actual idea of the Punisher to get across. Then, as log as they do that, they might have a decent shot.
Sept. 15, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST
True, it wouldn't be much of a stretch from his role in Sin City, but I think it would be pretty nifty to see him get the part nonetheless.
Sept. 15, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST
Sept. 15, 2007, 5:38 p.m. CST
I have read Civil War, but what really made me think about that was the Punisher War Journal book, which seems to be "Punisher in the superhero-world" whereas I understand Ennis' Punisher is self-contained, like the movies, but probably good. As for the second thing... I have never made it through a Punisher movie, thus my confusion. They sucked too much.
Sept. 15, 2007, 6:01 p.m. CST
by The Handsome 12th Doctor
It's understandable why he seems to have got a bit miffed. He was told he was the second choice for the role, and only got it when the first choice dropped out. But then the first choice (Mickey Rourke?) changed their mind and so Paddy wasn't wanted any more. That's a shitty thing to have to go through in any line of work. <br> But truth be told Paddy was too good for this anyway. The first movie was pants. The second may be better, but even if it is I still don't feel it deserves someone who was so funking cool in Shane Meadows films or Hot Fuzz. Or the Waterloo scene in the Bourne flick. I think it was a lucky escape for him.
Sept. 15, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST
about any of this? this site gets more and more irrelevant every day.
Sept. 15, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST
Sept. 15, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST
by Pound Sand
Now that'd be a movie!
Sept. 15, 2007, 7:03 p.m. CST
Are you kidding me? THE PUNISHER was fucking awful.
Sept. 15, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST
but I agree with Xiphos...I think there was some potential there. I liked Jane and there were some moments, not many, but they were there. I also gained some appreciation after watching the extras on the original DVD release (why don't good extras ever carry over btw?) considering the time and budget they were working with I think the film could have been even worse believe it or not. Haven't seen the Lundgren version yet, but I just watched the second half of SHOWDOWN IN LITTLE TOKYO on HBO recently...great shit that was.
Sept. 15, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST
by Bass Ackwards
Paddy was probably a bit too public with his comments, saying he'd decide based on the script. Obviously the movie guys didn't want to chance having Paddy pass on the movie and in doing so basically saying the script is shit, so they scrambled for another actor and as a parting shot call Paddy their "second choice."
Sept. 15, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST
punisher is ungreatful to live!!!! it's only when you're near death when you live yadadada you know the rest.
Sept. 15, 2007, 7:54 p.m. CST
Maybe he do a sequel to Hot Fuzz instead
Sept. 15, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST
Agreed, he would rock as an opponent for the Punisher. As for Paddy - I think his comments were a bit lame, but he's certainly entitled to them. And honestly he would likely jump at the chance for being Jigsaw in reality - he's not exactly a name in the states. Of course, the Punisher hasn't exactly been making names, either... :)
Sept. 15, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST
by future help
pity what's considered cool news these days.
Sept. 15, 2007, 10:06 p.m. CST
Jigsaw should be played by... Michael Madsen! You know it makes sense.
Sept. 15, 2007, 10:47 p.m. CST
...I'm glad I still don't know who this egotistical boor is.
Sept. 15, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST
The fight scenes were okay, but that movie was a total joke. I wish this director all the best in her career but seeing as the first punisher movie was garbage, and apparently Thomas Jane thought this one looked even worse, and it's being directed by someone whose last movie I thought was ridiculous... Considine made a narrow escape, in my opinion.
Sept. 16, 2007, 12:18 a.m. CST
They're making this BECAUSE the first was god awful, its essentially a do-over. Marvel's pretty much doing the same thing with Hulk.
Sept. 16, 2007, 12:33 a.m. CST
he got offered a role in the cinematic equivalent of 'Leprechaun 2' and then had the offer withdrawn. I'd be pretty fucking annoyed, too. Why is this movie getting made? Why does anyone care that this movie is getting made? Why are the creators writing roles for certain actors instead of thanking the gods there are actors even willing to be in this film? I'm honestly surprised that this isn't going straight to DVD starring Michael Dudikoff as the Punisher, Jeff Fahey as Jigsaw and whoever the Playmate of the Year was last year as the chick who shows her breasts before getting kidnapped.
Sept. 16, 2007, 12:48 a.m. CST
As in Green Street Hooligans? I know that movie doesn't have a number following the title and all but I thought that movie was tits.
Sept. 16, 2007, 1:02 a.m. CST
posting on Talkback drunk is much, much better than sending e-mails drunk or making phone calls drunk... <p> "Put my fuggin ex-wife onna phone, I wanna tell her sumpin. No, I doan care whud time id issh!"
Sept. 16, 2007, 2:08 a.m. CST
1. Green street was a pile of shit. <p>2. The only people that do like Green Street are ignorant to the actual Hooligan issue. <p>3. Paddy made a lucky escape and his wording and tone were justified.
Sept. 16, 2007, 2:21 a.m. CST
Basically for the reasons Xiphos said above. It's a pretty lousy movie, really, but there's a good one buried in there somewhere. I can't say I'm wild about the idea of a sequel, and I can't say I blame Considine for being as miffed as he is, but we'll see. I'm sure Lexi Alexander will make it more "badass" than the last movie, but whether or not it's any good is another matter entirely.
Sept. 16, 2007, 3:35 a.m. CST
I mean he should'nt discuss film offers before it's official no other actors do. He's just come off as some gigantic prick, just glad he's got nothing to do with the punisher. I mean who the f*$K has heard of Paddy Considine.
Sept. 16, 2007, 3:39 a.m. CST
...I feel sorry for Paddy. Anyone who saw his debut in A Room For Romeo Brass knows this guy deserves BIG things. He's really fucking great, but doesn't seem to get be able to get that break. On the other hand, I don't think missing out on this part will mean much. Its a low budget follow up to a film that was not only a flop, but also a stinking pile of shit. Not to mention that the original star, the only decent thing about the original film, walked over quality issues, and that they were completely unable to find an even halfway decent hack to helm it ( I would suggest checking out Green Street Hooligans to see how poor her work is, but I'm not enough of a cunt to recommend that boring pile of excrement)suggests that this isn't the break he would need.
Sept. 16, 2007, 4:51 a.m. CST
Yeah, that makes perfect sense, DANZIGG! Hey, you know who should play Jigsaw? Chris Crocker! Because we all know that talent is directly proportional to fame, right? Right? Paddy Considine's a brilliant actor, regardless of whether or not you're too busy worshipping lame comic book characters to have heard of him.
Sept. 16, 2007, 5:01 a.m. CST
To what? I thought hooligans were basically skin head retards that really liked soccer. Is there something deeper to the hooligan issue that I am missing?
Sept. 16, 2007, 5:38 a.m. CST
It appears I have offended you "Ribbons" and I appologise, and yes you are correct there is unheard of talent out there and that fame is not proportion to fame. But most actors when they get turned down would not throw the rattle out of the pram and would hold themself with a dignified sense of decorum. But hey as you put it I'm just a lame comic book worshipper what would I know.
Sept. 16, 2007, 5:49 a.m. CST
any1 who think that deadman shoe movie was good is a fuckin pussy that movie was the gheyist britsh shit ive seen in along time. seriusly wen the al those dudes roll up the guy y dont they just fuck him up right there?? he does some shit with his hand and they wuss the fuck like girls out. then later when thy go to kill him they wus AGAIN! the guy is thrwing his hand up like'wtf'?/ and i;m like yeah wtf 2 y dont u phagz just run his ass over?? wtf was so scary about taht scottish pecker anyway? oohh look at my scary beard and the crazy look in my eye any good american would have put bullit in his stupid scull five minuts into that bitch. evrybody in that ggay movie was a fuckin pussy. i think some of u just like its forin some thing. u know i am right.
Sept. 16, 2007, 6:56 a.m. CST
I usually try to stay positive on the TBs, but it's great to hear all these criticisms of Green St. Maybe it's different for Americans, but as a Brit I though it was a fucking travesty. What gets to me the most is that people think it's "Bad Ass", Hunnam's "Mary Poppins" cockney in particular - when in reality it is tame, insincere, laughable garbage.<p>And Considine is fucking great, they would have been lucky to have him.
Sept. 16, 2007, 7:05 a.m. CST
Is spot fucking on. It is bull-shit to revoke an offer to a name actor. That shit happens to less known performers all the time, and it's no fun. And he describes Green St perfectly...
Sept. 16, 2007, 9:15 a.m. CST
Sept. 16, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST
by Alonzo Mosely
I know there was some concern about that... Apparently it was initially offered to Mercenary #2 from the last Wesley Snipes direct-to-dvd, but he didn't want to get typecast as guy who get shot in the balls... I, however, am happy to take on the mantle of guy who gets shot in the balls in any level of movie being made as long as I get access to the Kraft food table...
Sept. 16, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST
...and certainly too good to be involved in this sort of disposable trash. I mean... punisher 2? Seriously?!
Sept. 16, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST
this film's prolly gonna be no better
Sept. 16, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST
of course I haven't watched it again, and when I did watch it I wasn't even expecting to like it enough to watch the whole thing. But #1, Tom Jane is great, and #2 it is so full of great moments - the bad guys gunning down Punisher's ENTIRE FAMILY at a family reunion, his wife's jeep/boat combo driving so fast it catches air, the long dialogue-free fight with the big wrestler guy where he destroys an apartment and (just barely) manages to beat the guy to death, the assassin/troubador coming in and singing him a threatening song and then he continues eating his eggs and shrugs, etc. Sure, there were some cheeseball touches, mostly involving that stupid skull symbol you boys like (the t-shirt and especially the exploding cars into the shape of a skull, as if he wanted to intimidate a passenger jet or traffic copter he expected to fly over just then). But even Travolta was on his best behavior. Especially in this day and age when that type of action movie isn't made too often this was a surprising treat.<p> True, it did not have a part where him and Spider-man flew around on a high tech Punisher jet talking about how the Incredible Hulk beat up Dr. Who or whatever, I almost cried when that didn't happen.<p> (Just jerkin your chain boys I'm sure that would've been awesome.)
Sept. 16, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST
When that last good action movie that was directed by a woman was? No offense to women directors but when I think Punisher movie, I don't think directed by a female. I don't mean to sound sexist. If it does then that's your problem.
Sept. 16, 2007, 12:50 p.m. CST
That as soon as tom jane quite they statred to actually go through with this movie.It makes me think that either A) tom knew it would be a disaster the way it was and rolled out like optimus prime,or B) they didn't want him to be in the sequal based on the box office of the first one...either way thank god he left .This thing is starting to play out like a TNT show...they know drama after all.
Sept. 16, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST
I feel like it's extremely unproffesional to have pulled there offer before he had a chance to even make up his mind...If the first actor passed on the role then he obviously didn't want it REALLY...so yeah I'm most likely not going to even bother getting excited about this...it seems like it's going to be a DTV wanna be at the end of the day.
Sept. 16, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST
by Calico Pete
The problem is that women have directed so many less action films than men have, that they haven't had a chance to rack up the same batting average so to speak. Think of it another way, how many AWFUL action films have been directed by men? A lot, and very recently. How many by women? Much less, and much less recently. So what does that show other than that women don't get as many chances to direct as men do?
Sept. 16, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST
sfezfilms - Point Break and Strange Days? Both directed by Kathryn Bigelow.
Sept. 16, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST
Thank you, you have given me the courage to step out of the Punisher-closet (I have BOTH versions of the DVD). There was so much old-school goodness in that flick. The Russian-wrestler scene totally reminded me an old Bond fight... the whole thing had a 70's action movie vibe to it I think, and I dug it. I gotta give the movie kudos for trying to do something different from the other comic adaptations. Yeah, it had the corny stuff with the neighbors. But that's ripped right from some of the books man. I think it's a bit of the same syndrome that has occurred with FF4 and most Stephen King novels. Like, it works in your head/on the page but when it's on screen it seems kinda goofy and the tendency is to bash the movie and say the book(s)were so much better even when a film is basically true to the source material. Anyway, I really dig that Titus Pulo is the role now...I must say, I'm looking forward to it.
Sept. 16, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST
I was Mercenary 2#. It's not fear of typecasting that motivated my decision, rather a desire to really show my range. I got a nice gig in a Bulgarian Seagal movie instead. He flips me through a window onto a spike! My drama coach is going to be so proud!<p>PS, enjoy the cheese.
Sept. 16, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST
but the action scenes were killer...when Reeves is chasing Swayzie down...very nicely done. Bigelow at was fully capable on that film. I thought that shit was riveting before I had any clue there was a chick at the helm.
Sept. 16, 2007, 1:51 p.m. CST
There just aren't enough women directors period. For women action directors Kathryn Bigelow is the obvious choice. And although I don't think she made any true classics she could really direct. I mean, check out that foot chase in POINT BREAK. BLUE STEEL is a good one too. Jamie Lee Curtis vs. an extra-pervy Ron Silver.<p> I think we should also acknowledge Bronwen Hughes. STANDER isn't really an action movie but it's a great crime movie and hell, Thomas Jane's performance in that one is the reason I watched THE PUNISHER in the first place.<p> By the way, TELF, I hope if you were really gonna be in a Seagal movie you would email me IMMEDIATELY. Especially if you were being thrown through a window.
Sept. 16, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST
If that happens then you'll have to come to Bulgaria and do a set-report.
Sept. 16, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST
when's Seagalogy coming out?<p> Punisher to me will always be the David Patrick Kelly lookalike whining out, "Nobody evah shtoood up for me bafore."<p> God bless the dollar shows that let us see that shit. Seems like dollar theaters are on their way out. They're just the old 6, or 8-plexes, and of course they aint kept up. I've had a decent one near me, but it's going down hill.<p> gonna miss seeing shitty movies in the theater.
Sept. 16, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST
was a fuckin disgrace, man! Like one of those early 90's action knock-offs. Jane's a decent actor, but Travolta sucks whale dick! What an utter tosser! Wow, he was a mean badass in Broken Arrow. "Ain't it cool?" Then he goes and does the same fuckin thing over and over again until finally no one wants to see him onscreen anymore (that's why he's dressed as a bird in his latest). Oh, and Green Street was a steamy pile of shit too. An insult to hooligans everywhere.
Sept. 16, 2007, 3:01 p.m. CST
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Sept. 16, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST
but couldn't they have gotten a better location to set it than TAMPA?
Sept. 16, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST
"Adios amigos!" That was pretty fucking cool, alot cooler than his Tai-chi in Roadhouse...well, that was cool too, but in an un-cool kind of cool way. I liked Jane in the role and was curious to see what more he would bring to the role in another film. Kind of shame actually. Oh, and I actually didn't mind Travolta too much either. definite shades of Battlefield-Earth there, but he toned it down just enough so that it worked I think. Seriously, if you somehow came in not knowing who Travolta was, he made a convincing grease-ball...no pun intended. P.S. Anthony Kiedis' "That would be...a waste...of time" line rules!
Sept. 16, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST
Like the name, but Travolta's character in 'Broken Arrow' was nothing like his character in 'The Punisher.' This is why I kind of hate these comic book movie threads; even if studios were inclined to listen to what we had to say, we give them awful advice. As Comic Book Guys, we're angry that the Punisher was in Tampa and not New York, and that he didn't kill enough people, and then when the movie sucks, that's the shit we focus on. But 'The Punisher' managed to be bad on its own merits. The awful slapstick humor between Spacker Dave and Mr. Bumpo (which was NOT in the comics, by the way, but even if it was, it would have still sucked); the weird, Frank Castle-disguised-as-foppish-German thing at the beginning of the film; the fact that anytime Castle wanted to sneak into someplace private, he'd just roll under a gate or something. The fight with the Russian was both awesome and hilarious, and it looked like a commendable amount of thought was put into both the character of the Punisher and the weapons he used, but it was too sloppy in every respect. Travolta being a scientologist and the Punisher not being in a "gritty" locale had nothing to do with it, and if the movie was actually good then nobody would have cared about those things (well, some weirdos would).
Sept. 16, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST
definitely a beer-goggles movie. I meant GAVE me new respect in that last btw.
Sept. 16, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST
is that he doesn't belong in a fuckin Punisher movie and he (and those fuckers who made that piece of shit) should know that. He's just too fuckin... John Travolta! That film should have created its own world and feel, that unique Punisher vibe. Instead it felt like just another shitty action movie, but with a guy wearing a skull on his chest... and John Travolta. Cocksucker.
Sept. 16, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST
Sept. 16, 2007, 3:34 p.m. CST
Paddy will feed you your own ballsack, and I'll watch him do it and laugh! Laugh, I said!
Sept. 16, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST
maybe if he HAD a ballsack. u know only uk dix with any balls were conery and that new bond guy. COCKny accent 7 shit dont scare me those people r all pink and there teeth suc cos there is 2 much semen running thru them. he scare me even less then that skiny musstash guy from tranespotting. y do so many thik that faceial hair and stupid hard 2 understand guurglecum accent = badass?? deamans shoes SUCKED! all brit movie taht try 2 b tough suckanut go rent bronsin insted!
Sept. 16, 2007, 3:54 p.m. CST
I dunno...I just think it's gonna turn out to be shit...i know the first wasnt a GREAT film but tom got it and I just think it's a shame he wont be frank again....so im boycotting all future punisher movies and to that end if iron man sucks(I said if) I wont see any more marvel movies either.!!!
Sept. 16, 2007, 4 p.m. CST
Fiester (fister, heh) doesn't like Gary Oldman. Let's fuck him up...
Sept. 16, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST
that had one of my favorite side characters ever. Over the top? Yes. But perfectly so. I don't think anybody else could have done that Drexl-fucker quite like he did.
Sept. 16, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST
Spacehunter... just reading your crap is like being infected
Sept. 16, 2007, 7:28 p.m. CST
I think the words "too soon" come to mind.
Sept. 16, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST
Sept. 16, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST
by C Legion
He's infinitely better than the material and the bint director.
Sept. 16, 2007, 11:37 p.m. CST
Things might have changed as in script or such, but I remember reading some blog a while back about how Michael Keaton was in the running to be The Joker before Ledger or had the choice to be Jigsaw in Punisher 2. It may very well be old news that was under the old Punisher 2 script. However, if you seen Keaton in Desperate Measures, he can be a real bad ass and bring it. As far as Paddy Considine. Thank god he is not Jigsaw cause he would been totally off and very distant from who the character is. So far I'm keeping my fingers crossed hoping this is the Punisher film that should have been from the very beginning. It sucks to people that never read the story in the book, don't understand such disappointment from loyal fans like me how great this film could be. After getting more and more movies like Man On Fire, The Brave One, Shoot Them Up, etc., here you have a character that ups all the characters in any type of thoses movies, and so far he's made out to be a moronic windbag. I am hoping Hollywood wakes up and sees that they can make more money telling a story right, then just throwing one together as soon as they can.
Sept. 16, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST
I mean.. does he really scream out "Jigsaw"?!?! <p>I don't think so, I'm guessing Punisher 2 will be a new take, like Hulk... The first one wasn't great but it wasn't "Lundgren's Punisher" bad... <p> I still would've prefered seeing The Kingpin in this second movie, I thaught for all the bad Daredevil was, Michael Clarke Duncan was great as the Kingpin.
Sept. 17, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST
He's above this project, so it works out just fine.
Sept. 17, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST
You guys were discussing Point Break but you had a hidden gem in the conversation.......Patrick Swayze is Jigsaw!!!! That would kick ass and could be a comeback role for him. I know I have said on this site since the talk of the first Punisher movie (the Tom Jane one) that Mickey Rourke as Jigsaw would be awesome. You could tell his story in flashback mode using pictures of him from 9 and 1/2 weeks and stuff like that. Then you could move things forward to here and now in New York city and have him jacked up, pissed of an dready to kill Frank. I would also love a Micheal Clarke Duncan Kingpin cameo, setting up a Daredevil /Punisher flick.