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Hercules Tells You He Loves HBO’s Latest Sunday Drama TELL ME YOU LOVE ME!!
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“Tell Me You Love Me” is HBO’s explicit and mesmerizing new relationship drama. It is masterminded by writer-producer Cynthia Mort, who is building some kind of interesting career.
“Tell” is decidedly no laugh-fest, but Mort began in the TV biz more than a decade ago by scripting the sitcom “Roseanne.” She also had a hand in shaping the screenplay for the new Jodie Foster thriller “The Brave One,” which opens Friday.
If one overlooks the new series' copious, graphic nudity and sexual situations (like that’s going to happen!), "Tell" invites favorable comparisons to both the more nuanced chapters of “thirtysomething” and Ingmar Bergman’s Scandi angst-fest “Scenes From A Marriage.”
The new series follows three couples in, or apparently headed into, sessions with a couples therapist (Jane Alexander). They are:
* Parents Katie (Ally Walker of “Profiler” fame) and Dave (Tim DeKay, who played Jonesy on “Carnivale”) feel themselves growing apart because Dave would rather masturbate secretly than bone Katie, who misses the sex she hasn’t had in nearly a year.
* Young marrieds Carolyn (Sonya Walger, who uses her real accent to play Penelope Widmore on “Lost”) and Palek (Adam Scott, who assayed Veronica Mars’ coed-chasing teacher) find their inability to conceive offspring affecting their sex life.
* Newly engaged Jamie (Michelle Borth) and Hugo (Canadian import Luke Kirby, “Slings and Arrows”) are vexed by Hugo’s flexibility on the issue of fidelity.
There’s a surprising amount of suspense locked within the emotional drama. Some critics speak of the sex scenes’ clinical nature, but I found them hot, teeming often with the realistic urgency of frustration, to say nothing of lead actors more attractive than your typical porn stars. The series is otherwise insightful, alluring, well-considered and fearless in its depiction of intimacy. Golden Globe recipient “Desperate Housewives” will garner 20 times its audience every Sunday night.
But what matters Herc’s opinion?
The Associated Press says:
… I make no prediction how others will receive "Tell Me," and in what numbers. But I see it as the most important drama HBO has introduced since "The Sopranos."… "Tell Me" gives vivid expression to the plight of characters misreading themselves and the people they're closest to. It charts a struggle viewers will identify with, amid their fascination and unease. (Be careful who you watch this series with, by the way. Any given episode could spark a conversation that goes unexpected, unwanted places.) …
Entertainment Weekly gives it a “B-plus” says:
… Mort, who wrote six of the 10 episodes, absolutely pinpoints marital decay. Sometimes it's with a simple turned shoulder or a chaste kiss. Sometimes it's with a passive-aggressive exchange involving a new suit, and sometimes it's with spiraling, nonsensical arguments over school supplies. Tell Me's only flaw is, in fact, that these couples mostly argue — they're in ruts, they love each other but can't stop their destructive role-playing, they've lost their sense of humor. This is, of course, the point: Like drugs, they return to the same arguments again and again, aggressively screwing or not screwing as a cure. Tell Me is an incisive drama, but it's not an easy commitment.
USA Today gives it two and a half (out of four) stars and says:
… if you can look beyond that barrier or enticement and make your way past the first four or so subpar episodes, there is something worthy here. Despite its flaws, Tell Me tries to explore issues facing real couples with an honesty seldom seen on TV these days. …
The Washington Post and says:
Come for the sex; stay for the stories. … this is high-class filmmaking, not high-gloss porno. … "Tell Me You Love Me" is not only more provocative than any of the broadcast networks' new fall shows, but also more sophisticated -- even than those shows that aspire to be "adult." … rife with subtleties and insight. …
The Chicago Tribune says:
… It would be easy to take the low road and pique your interest by saying, "Hey, this is that show you've been hearing about, the one with all the controversial sex and the nakedness and, by the way, did I mention the sex?" But this deeply interesting, occasionally riveting show deserves better than that. Besides, people tuning in to get their salacious kicks might be somewhat disappointed by the sex, which isn't depicted with gauzy frippery but with a measured, documentary aesthetic.…
The Los Angeles Times says:
… "Why don't they ever do a show about what marriage is really like?" Now, thanks to "Tell Me You Love Me," I know. Because it's boring, that's why. To tears. …
The San Francisco Chronicle says:
… "Tell Me You Love Me" is, in many ways, bold and important, a series for adults and the mature-minded, that touches nerves and exposed, complicated emotions. There should be some reward for that. Aggressive character studies, even ones that delve into areas most people don't like to talk about, have a kind of high-minded mission. The trouble is that they are often too real, too painful. There's no getting around this: "Tell Me You Love Me" is not only like eating your vegetables, it's like eating vegetables without grill marks or butter or, depending how many episodes you watch, heat.…
The Denver Post says:
… By the third episode, the viewer is desensitized to the naked bumping parts, and eager to return to the engrossing dialogue. After a few more hours (I've screened seven), the sex verges on boring, but the relationships don't. After still more hours, it's clear certain characters are making progress both in bed and out …
The Seattle Post-Intelligencer says:
… To contradict those earlier reports that pre-emptively labeled "Tell Me You Love Me" as porn, my understanding is that when watching porn people fast-forward through the dialogue to get to the naked bits. Watch enough of a "Tell Me You Love Me" episode on the DVR or On Demand, and you'll be doing exactly the opposite …
The Boston Globe says:
… That the ambitious ‘‘Tell Me You Love Me’’ turns this emotional redundancy into a TV series is both its great strength and its weakness. This unusual new HBO drama intently focuses on four relationships and their dark struggles, the unsolvable standoffs most series about love miss. …
Variety says:
… As HBO has said, the project is an exploration of intimacy, a soap that should theoretically appeal primarily to women -- provided that many aren't alienated by what occasionally feels like gratuitous writhing and moaning. In short, if you come for the sex, you'll only stay for the characters, and those represent an intriguing but decidedly mixed bag. …
The Hollywood Reporter says:
… it doesn't really find itself until the second and third episodes. That's when you feel and recognize the beauty and the pain that Cynthia Mort smartly and sensitively portrays in her fiercely honest examination of sex in relationships. … what starts as a modest character study punctuated by holy-cow nudity turns into a brilliant depiction of sexual conflict, frustration and dysfunction. … Yes, the cast is attractive, but the most powerful and beautiful moments occur when everyone has their clothes on.
9 p.m. Sunday. HBO.
It’s also playing right now if one has access to HBO On Demand.
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A show that's just as boring as real marriage? No thanks. I don't care how "important" it is.
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I will give it a look
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They just won visual effects for a series (Exodus Part II). They still have editing in a drama to contend for tonight at the Creative Arts Emmy awards which are being handed out right now in LA.
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BSG winning for visual FX for Exodus Pt 2 was a no-brainer. Although then again, considering the Emmys, I wouldn't be surprised if they had given it to Lost or someshit.
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As well as Eureka (Pilot), Rome (Philippi) and get this, Grey's fucking Anatomy (!!) for the episode "Walk on Water"
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So, this time, they decided that some graphic sex scene (whatever graphic really means) will keep the men watching but the women will watch for the issues in the plot. So, like in real life, the men will sit through long, painful discussions and explorations of "relationships" for the sake of some sex...
I'm not sure if I like that they seem to have a lot of seriousness in the show. If they're gonna explore relationships, why not one or two that aren't troubled or in a rut? Explore all kinds, including some happy ones! -
Arts Emmys:
Battlestar Galactica 1, Grey's Anatomy, Boston Legal and The Sopranos...NIL
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Oh, I thought this was going to be a porn thread, not a BSG one!
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Even though the actors aren't actually engaging in sex (instead using ultra-realistic prothetics), I'm not surprised that this happened. Honestly, I cannot see many people wanting to watch this show past the first episode.
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count on it, bitches.
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For HBO second season depends entirely on critical aclaim. I can bet that series will get renewed. Third searon will depand on costs and derire of cast to stay with the show.
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I saw this a couple months ago, and it was bland, boring, and uninteresting. They think theyr ebeing so edgy and controversial with what theyre showing and discussing, when really it just feels like theyre trying too hard. Dont waste your time. This show aint worth it.
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Is there a rule among the premium cable channels that they cannot show erect members or penetration? The only time I saw anything of the sort on HBO is when they showed a clip in their documentary "Inside Deep Throat." Either way, it seems childish to resort to prosthetics. Does this mean films like Brown Bunny and Shortbus will never hit the premium channels?
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If critical acclaim will be really enough for a second season Tell Me Season 2 is a sure thing. This is the kind of pretentious stuff no critic dares to rate it bad even if it bores the shit out of him. It's like in Hans Christian Andersens fairy tale "Keiserens Nye Klæder".---------------------
Besides that I really hope too that it can be HBO`s new Six Feet Under. ;) -
and hurry up with that 70's NYPD/Anit-War Movement series from Milch.
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I WANT TO KNOW!
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Sex scenes are as follows: Tim DeKay masturbates in bed while Ally Walker takes a shower. Michelle Borth and Luke Kirby fuck in bed after making up; you can see his balls when she's on top. They fuck again in a car in the middle of the street, again, she's on top. Sonya Walger and Adam Scott fuck at their friend's house on a bed; he pulls down her bra, sucks her tits, not that graphic, just missionary. Jane Alexander and her guy start to fuck but, then it ends abruptly for no reason before she gets on top. Sonya Walger gives Adam Scott a handjob in bed; most graphic of the pilot: you see her hand wrapped around his erect penis and see him cumming from a wide shot. That's it. If Herc thinks these are "hot" scenes he's kidding himself. It just a show of spoiled white thirtysomethings complaining about not being able to fuck all the other hot people in their lives because, you know, they're in relationships. This show is NOT realistic at all. It would only be realistic to people who are either a)Unbelievably attractive and have always been so, b)White, rich people, c)People who work in Hollywood, or d)All of the above. The only reason why they made the sex scenes graphic is to be able to use it when people complain that the show is unrealistic; "You just can't handle how graphic it is." Actually, Herc's comparison of it to THIRTYSOMETHING is apt. Its yet another show validating people who cheat or just leave the people they're with for someone more attractive. In the previews, you can gather certain future plot points; Jane Alexander's character has cheated on her husband already in the past, promised she wouldn't speak or see the other man, but is still talking to him. I'm pretty sure she'll be fucking the other guy again soon, or, at least internally wrestling with herself about wanting to. I bet the writers make the excuse that she cheated or wants to cheat because she's old, and wants to feel young, or that her hubby can't get it up, or some other b.s., because, remember, when a man cheats its despicable, but when a woman cheats, its ALWAYS understandable. Michelle Borth's character overhears her boyfriend say to his friend that he's not sure about not fucking anyone else for the rest of his life. She questions him, of course, and gets angry when he doesn't take it back. The previews suggest she's going to break up with him and go on a "journey of discovery to find out what she wants out of life" - which means she fucks as many guys as she can. She comes across Ian Somerhalder's character and wants to be with him; basically because he's way hotter than her ex. Rule of Life: Normal looking guy; girl isn't ready for commitment. Great looking guy; girl is finally ready to settle down. Ally Walker is mad at Tim DeKay basically because he doesn't treat her like a whore. He also has the standard cliche role of "Guy who has never made his wife cum." So, of course, she'll be cheating on him or leaving him OR they'll make HIM cheat or something, thereby making her more of a victim. Sonya Walger wants a baby. That's it. She doesn't give a fuck about her husband, she just wants a child. She'll probably be getting some donor sperm behind his back or cheat on him out of fustration. Yes. Life is very hard for the rich, white, and unbelievably attractive thirtysomethings of America.
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If HBO wants to shock us and show us things they never have before, I know what they can do...how about show a VAGINA for once? They don't seem to mind showing lengthy, graphic closeups of man parts but when it comes to vaginas we get a split second view, in poor lighting, from 10 feet away. HBO=The cocks and balls network.
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to get me back.
Curb is funny but after a decade of watching, I'll netflix it. I love the Wire, but may just end up 'flixing that too...
I want some Preacher or something else just as cool. Right now I'm holding out on principal alone.
Plus Showtime has a pretty decent lineup with Weeds, Cali, Brotherhood, Dexter, and Sleeper (if that's still on...).... they're not all gold, but it's a better lineup than HBO. Yes, that's in my humble opinion. -
"They fuck again in a car in the middle of the street, again, she's on top."...you make that out like it's a bad thing. At least you can see her nice ass during those times instead of man-ass.
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This show looks like it could be interesting, but more "get it from netflix when the DVDs come out" interesting than "pay $19 bucks a month for HBO" interesting. Does anyone know what they're putting on after this? Is the Wire Coming back in January? I haven't seen any news about what HBO is putting on after this show & Curb are through.
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The cold reception and implosion of JFC was just the beginning. Bango's right that Showtime has a much more solid line up right now, and I think their time has come around at last. If HBO is going to keep putting on shows like this and 12 Miles of Bad Road, I think they'll be giving up the throne to Showtime within the next year or 2.
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January 6th
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That's supposed to entice us to watch this thing? ... No, thanks, I'll watch the rerun of Dexter instead.
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married? In a long term committed relationship? I wonder how many people can manage to look past the pretty faces and hot bodies to simply see the templates that many if not all relationships follow. I haven't seen the show yet but plan to this evening with my wife of 12 years, I'll post again if I have trouble suspending my disbelief through the perfect lily-white bodies and six figure incomes.
Oh and by the way, we keep HBO for one simple two word reason. Big Love, one of the best dramas on TV ATM. -
...got anything with vampires?
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Live feed from Iraq. I remember when CNN used to do that during the last one. You know, the one that we won.
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This show is boring as fuck. Literally.
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Well at least HBO realizes how weak it's line up is and is attempting to boost it by repeating the last season of The Sopranos at 8 p.m. as a lead in.
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Very compelling and well acted.
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instead of actually showing someone suck a cock, the Desdwood fans would rally around it. Actually, I liked the scene where Jane Alexander sucked David Selby's cock and left her false teeth sitting on his balls. Funnier than a penis cake, that one.
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In three weeks: "Tell Me You Love Me" is the best show ever made."
In eight weeks: How come Herc has never put up even one post ever for "Tell Me You Love Me," the most amazing show on TV ever?
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You're wrong on this, herc. It's NOT realistic at all. It's not realistic about marriage and it's definitely not realistic about sex.
I will say that I think there were a couple of real insights about relationships (like the use of the words "I love you" to try to paper over problems), but for everything that seemed authentic, there were like five things that didn't. I think the biggest problem is that this writer doesn't understand anything about men, so none of the male characters come across as believable. For instance, the one dude is supposed to be all upset because his wife just wants to fuck him for his sperm and not for "love" or whatever the fuck else this show thinks a man wants to fuck for, so he has issues about it and doesn't want to fuck her whenever she wants. THIS IS NOT REMOTELY REALISTIC. This is not how men actually think or believe, this is how WOMEN think and believe. A guy doesn't give a fat rat's ass why a hot chick wants to fuck him. Feelings don't mean shit. Any real guy would be only too happy to hammer that shit anywhere and as often as she wanted it. Fucking is not about "feelings" for a male. On;y a complete douchebag or (more likely) a homosexual would have a big fucking problem with his wife fucking his brains out for his sperm. It's happened to me twice, and I can tell you, it was like Christmas every day. The other guy that isn't beleivabkle is the one who would rather jerk off than bang his wife. This shows some more fundamental ignorance about makle behavior. It's NEVER an "either or" when it comes to sex and masturbation for men, it's ALWAYS BOTH. Guys don't jerk off because they're disatisfied with anything. They do it because nobody's looking. They might lose interest in banging the wife if she's like really fat or something, but this bitch is still totally humpable, so it isn't believable that he wouldn't want to screw her unless he's secretly gay or something.
The "I'm not sure I want to commit" dude is the most believable, but he's such a smarmy. weasely douchebag that he's not very interesting to watch. Even with all, that, I think the show could have some promise to become an interesting drama about how people lie to each other in marriages (the tone kind of reminds me of Mike Nichols' CLOSER a little bit), but whatever serious intent the show might have is fatally undermined by the stunt of injecting Skinemax style softcore sex scenes all over the place. There's no reason for them except to be "shocking" and garner attention and they're not even very erotic. They're also not realistic. It's the same choreographed simulated humping and naval grazing, fake oral sex we've seen a million times. The chick jerking off the prostheic, squirting cock was incredibly lame. The least they could do is so us some really good box shots, but no, all we get is a glimpse of bush for about half a second. If HBO wants to push the envelope, show us some lippage. I'd tune in for that. Oh, and one more thing, I'd just like to say to anyone at HBO who might be reading this -- NOBODY WANTS TO SEE OLD PEOPLE FUCK! That old lady giving a gum job to gramps was fucking disgusting. I had to cover my fucking eyes. Jesus tapdancing Christ, what the fuck were you people thinking? For the love of God, leave the granny porn on the internet where it belongs -
When I asked if anyone was currently married or in a long term relationship I also should have asked ages as well. It seems (from a educated glance at some of the talk-backs) that most people responding are in the under 25 crowd (with a few 14s thrown into the mix) and single. Yeah some of the dialog is pretentious, but the problems are real. I don't agree that your wife using you as a sperm bank (on a regular basis, that is what was implied if you care to look between the lines) is in any way a turn on. The way she asked, the clinical nature of the sex that would surely follow and the lack of...OMG romance? I'm sorry but we aren't talking some random occurrence here, some random
"Hot chick" who comes on to you wanting to get knocked up never to be heard from or seen again, were talking your WIFE here, I call bullshit on that one. Like the line in MIB when J tells K "It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all," I say, "try it!" We liked what we saw, yeah it was a rough cut and an intro into the series but as an introduction it was a pretty damn good one.
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pushes the envelope until the stamp falls off.
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and Im tired of all the crying in therapy.Its fucking boring.Just another shitty show pandering to and made for 30 something frustrated women. This is why I dont have Carnivale and Deadwood anymore? So I can watch Sonya Walger jerk off a dildo. HBO sucks.
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There will be oral and penetration prosthetics later in the season(for those of you who want plastic lippage). Joy!
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and none of these marriages ring authentic to me. I have BEEN in the situation of having my wife want me to knock her up and it was a GREAT time for me. Romance? What kind of a fucking pussy wants romance? Not me and not any married man I know. Are you a chick?
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"Three unhappy women and the men they make miserable." Still, it was nice seeing Penelope's boobs, brother...
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And they complain about the final episode of Heroes!
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Sounds fascinating. Now whenever I want to bask in the choice I made to never get married, I can watch a show like this until I'm so bored that I want to break my TV. Shit like this makes me wish I were gay. This 'desperate housewife' thing is a reflection on our culture. And it really makes me wonder why men even bother with marriage anymore. If you take away the looks (which you'll have to, since most women age horribly) and keep in mind that modern women are too busy with work to properly take care of the home, then why do men bother? I get why women bother. They still get what they always got, financial security while they raise the kids that they want more than anything.
But even the men I know who claim to have very happy marriages, don't talk about them that way. They'll ask me what I'm doing for the weekend, I mention the things I'll be doing that they desperately want to be doing, and then they tell me (with exhausted looks on their faces) which of their wives' relatives they'll be visiting and how they haven't had an unplanned moment in years. They can never go out to eat for lunch because they never have enough money while I travel around the world in style on the same salary. I'm sure I'm missing that intangible "something" by never having kids, but since I've never known it, I'm not actually missing anything. I'm not sure how a show like this is considered entertainment. Unhappy marriages are about as fascinating as the dump I took this morning. Come to think of it, HBO is starting to resemble the dump I took this morning.
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This was a pretty damned good show, sure to go the way (as in cancellation) of "Unscripted" and "K Street."
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Bullshit. I'm a man, and I find it completely realistic that eventually a man would get tired of his wife seeing him as an object with which to make a baby. Sex isn't the only thing men can care about. I'm sorry, I'm a married man, and my wife's affections mean something to me. I think it's completely stereotypical for the posters here to say no man would ever care about his wife's affections/intentions as long as he's having sex. How shallow are your lives?
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You probably have Lifetime set as favorite channel on your cable box
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This show stinks high heaven. No amount of critical acclaim will save it as soon as viewership tanks below .5M viewers. This will be least watched HBO original program ever.
And to previous reviewer. Lifetime is leap and bounds better that the last three new original show HBO produced. Thats Carma for canceling Deadwood and Carnivale before their time. -
When an electrical cable falls and causes a short circuit, a prosthetic monster is created. Which cast member will escape the spurting, vibrating dildo of death?
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Let's be real about it.
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Deep, but still pretentious. Say, wasn't Pretentious a character on Rome?
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Now there's an HBO show not afraid to show some guy's johnson.
The idea that no man has any interest in anything beyond sex is pretty shallow there, folks. Not really true for every man, and certainly not for all his life. But, I have noted that often on TV, a cheating woman has a good reason, while a man is a bastard. And, yes, I suppose every relationship has problems, but sometimes they're actually happy for stretches of time. I haven't really seen the show so I can't comment on its scenes. But, c'mon, prosthetic penises? How silly. -
I've been through the whole "My wife thinks I'm a sperm bank" thing, and though it DOES seem great at first, it gets old really quickly. I don't think this is the best show on TV, but it's something you can watch with the ol' ball and chain. At least it's not some design show. Although there's some chicks on THOSE shows whose tits I wouldn't mind seeing...
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