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"Noooo, Joe!" G.I. Joe Movie To = MEGAFORCE?! Or, Is It TEAM AMERICA?!

Published at: Sept. 8, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST by merrick

Merrick here...
I'm kind of surprised no one's posted about there here on AICN. When I first started hearing about this, I stepped back to let other people handle it because, frankly, I don't know enough about G.I. Joe to be able to offer a particularly insightful opinion. However, we're getting quite a bit of mail about the matter...and Fox News has an article that encapsulates the shitstorm quite proficiently...so I'll simply refer you to the following:
Paramount has confirmed that in the movie, the name G.I. Joe will become an acronym for "Global Integrated Joint Operating Entity" — an international, coed task force charged with defeating bad guys. It will no longer stand for government issued, as in issued by the American government.
...says THIS ARTICLE at Fox News, which goes on to indicate:
The word is that in the current political climate, they're afraid that a heroic U.S. soldier won't fly.
(sigh) As if the project didn't already have a big enough hurdle to leap with Stephen Sommers directing. And now this? Okay, so I don't know a lot about G.I. JOE...but this isn't exactly what I think of when the name comes to mind. I think the toy line is pretty frickin' cool, though, and I remember the jingle used to sell them when I was growing up:
"G.I. Jooooooeeeeee - A real American hero!" Hmmm. Guess we're not allowed to have heroes anymore? By implication, as Americans, we should be too embarrassed to have heroes? Are The Powers That Be suggesting the world won't allow Americans to have heroes these days? Everybody should have a hero. Too bad...seems to me we could use some good heroes in times like these. Wonder how they'll sell the toy line when such changes to the concept are factored in? Ah, well (shrugs)... Frankly, I've been dying for a remake of MEGAFORCE for a long, long time. Sounds like this pretty much what the new G.I. JOE movie's gonna be. If so, they should just go ahead and change the name or something, ya know?
I want that soundtrack!

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  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Speedstream

    by Speedstream

    SCREW THIS!! End of story.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:27 a.m. CST

    completely retarded

    by BLWiseass

    i hate the P.C. police.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    this sucks

    by bigbadbua

    GI Joe was a huge part of my childhood, and these assholes are taking a big shit right on it. I'll probably see it, but this is about as dissapointing as anything I've read on this site.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    I won't...

    by Speedstream

    see it...waste valuable bandwidth download...or waste hard earned cash on iTunes. This is a waste...complete waste. Utter garbage.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    FOX News "analysis"

    by RenoNevada2000

    Somehow I think maybe FOX spun this story abit... At least they showed some restraint and didn't take on "because the evil pinko liberal jews of Hollywood want your children to be gay and hate America and the baby Jesus." Well, at least until O'Reilly tackles the story on Monday.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    After losing two wars, who's a hero anymore?

    by wintocha67

    See how upcoming Rambo does... Ass must be kicked and our troops ain't kickin it.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST

    porkchop sandwiches!!!

    by PunkLunchbox

    personally, I've always preferred this version of GI Joe: http://youtube.com/watch?v= TLnWlLTqu4Y

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    For fuck's sake. Wake up. Its FOX.

    by GilesT

    As far as fact-based journalism is concerned, Fox News is on a par with the National Enquirer... or the UK's Daily Mail. <br> <br> They want to make you angry, and they don't give a toss if they have to make shit up to do it.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    GilesT

    by Aragorn II

    Hyperbolic much?

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    GI Joe will be based in US. This is old news.

    by Ash Talon

    This Brussels-based item is old news. On a Joe forum on another site, it has been stated by the writer that GI Joe will have an international theme to the team, but the team is HQ'd in the USA. It's still being written, so let's not jump to conclusions. Some good news is that Sommers is aparently a fan of the 80s Joe universe, so if he's referring to the comics, we're on the right track.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    I'm sure they'll blame this on the "liberal left"

    by kafka07

    It was that damn Cindy Sheehan, she ruined our global image. Damn terrorist.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    It's "Government Issue Joe" or this is a G.I. Joke

    by Monkey_King

    America needs a heroic fighting team to look up to. G.I. Joe has always been it, but if a studio changes this I say picket the studio and bombard them with hate mail. Get Larry Hama and the Devils Due team on baord as consultants or this film is doomed before it starts.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    This has nothing to do with Fox's retarded spin

    by crapcat

    It has been known for some time that they're trying to incorporate G.I. Joe and its foreign equivalents (at least the UK's "Action Man," possibly others) into one project. Characters would be renamed and new characters introduced practically every time Joe was licensed for another country. This has less to do with politics than just trying to provide a product that overseas audiences will recognize and respond to. Still, you have to acknowledge that the unpopularity of the Iraq war makes a $100-150 million summer action movie about a U.S. military force a riskier proposition than Paramount would care for.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Destro has a silver head, Cobra commander a hood!

    by StupidAndUgly

    PLEASE DONTTRY AND UPDATE IT! I want over theatricle craziness from cobra and absurd special ops from GI JOE! Give me lazers and Cobra twins who can feel eachothers pain. Make snake eyes mute and storm shadow bad ass. Scarlett better be a real red head, and not be a dyed brunette, or not a red head head at all, which I think is possible. The Baronesse better look S & M. Please dont make this too "real" or else it wont be GI JOE! A real AMERICAN Hero!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:01 p.m. CST

    If Sommers is a fan...then...HE SHOULD READ OUR POSTS

    by Monkey_King

    make sure we get the coupling of Snake-Eyes and Scarlett, NOT ladies man of action Conrad "Duke" Hauser trying to "make it" with the team ninjas redheaded girlfriend/fiance and doing cartwheels on the tarmac whilst dodging laserblasts(?) Make the fans proud Sommers!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST

    I can't wait for the Captain Globalman movie!

    by Kraken

    Poor Steve Rogers will have to find a country-neutral costume now.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Oh Dear Lord

    by Holy Hell

    Settle down people. I liked GIJoe when I was a kid, including comics, toys, and cartoons. But come the hell on: it was always a way for Hasbro and whoever to make a dime off hero-worshipping American youth. A studio making creative decisions to increase a movie's international profit potential is hardly sacrilege, unless you equate Joe with religion. Which too many of you fanboys do. It might be cool, it'll probably be mediocre, but it's GI Joe for heaven's sake, not a peak at the universe's spiritual order. Get some fricking perspective.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Fox is bad???

    by phrozen_ghost2k6

    Come on...lets be intellectually honest...if you think conservatives are the only ones that manipulate the media then you have been asleep for a REAL long time...Ever read the NYTs? How bout ole Dan "the liar" Rather? Im not speaking out for the current administration, Im just saying to please show some IQ points when making political commentary... And the current "climate" can kiss our red white and blue behinds. Everyone hates us till they need us, especially you euro-clowns who couldn't defend themselves from an aerial assault from pidgins....not to mention any real threats...

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST

    I already saw Megaforce

    by YO MOM'S GOAT

    It sucked. I won't go see this movie. If they're ashamed of the United States I hope the United States is ashamed of them. Go toss.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Phrozen

    by Holy Hell

    There is media bias everywhere. The conservative media, however, is MUCH worse than the New York Times. At least the Time's reporters do research, instead of towing the party line or pandering to some childish image of salt of the earth mid-western American values. No-one's perfect, but the Time's standards for journalism are much more concerned with process that Fox News. Jesus, wake up.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    G.I. JOE is a fucking AMERICAN hero.

    by spaceworlder

    Remember that, studio execs, when your movie flops in 2008 in 2009, whenever the hell it's released.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Action Force

    by Fried Gold

    was the name of the franchise here in the UK.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    making "GI JOE" an acronym is insulting

    by BizarroJerry

    The term came about to refer the everyman American soldier during World War II. To turn it into an acronym, an international acronym no less, is kind of insulting isn't it? If you try to turn the franchise into a different franchise, why even bother? A major selling point of this film is that it's G.I. Joe. Make it NOT G.I. Joe, and why make it?? Just cancel the whole thing. This could be worse than the TF movie... BUT, it could be possible that a good film could be salvaged from this. Why not just have an international team in the movie, but have the foreign folks working WITH G.I. Joe?

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    GIJOEINO! GIJOEINO! GIJOEINO!

    by BeeDub

    Make this movie right or don't make it. Period.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Don't forget that

    by Fried Gold

    the cartoons were generally crap (in the same way seasons 2 and 3 of the Transformers cartoon were). So the film doesn't really have to try that hard.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    What a LOAD OF SHIT!

    by Rando Calrisian

    Unbelievable. If there was any property other than Captain America that is ALL AMERICAN it is G.I. Joe! Whoever is in charge of this film should be dumped in Afganistan to learn why America is the greatest country in the world. GI Joe is an American hero, not a PC multimational circle jerk. Unbelievable.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST

    The Times?

    by phrozen_ghost2k6

    The times is the most bias news organization around. Come on, Fox News was created because CBS, CNN, and the rest of the crowd leaned so far left that the tv would slide off the stand!!! Look at the MSNBC line-up, ALL FORMER DEMOCRATS!!! Not that Democrats are bad, but when people clearly have a vision of the world they dont abandon it when they go to work...When polled 9 out of 10 who work for the media donated to the dems...That is Bias...unless 90% isn't a majority, and last time I checked it was.. I am not endorsing either side, but I refuse to allow people to 1) Project one side as less biased then another, they are all fucking bias partisan assholes, and 2) Portray Americans as shit bags. All French are not sniveling cowards are they? Ask for help and we will be there...ask the UN and prepare to wait..

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    YO Joint Operating Entity!!!

    by Spyhunter

    Almost sounds like a Jay & Silent Bob film. Seriously though, the studio really needs to stop worrying about "political climates" and just make the movie the fans will want to see.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Paramount = Pussies

    by ScrewParamount

    This is just insulting. Yes, G.I. Joe is a fictional character. But if Hollywood can't make one movie that really proclaims that the U.S.A. is great, and that there are bad people out there that only the U.S.A. can put in their place, then fuck Hollywood. If these same yahoos were in charge during WWII, would we be getting movies about how we needed to understand the Germans? That Pearl Harbor was really our fault? 300 shows that a movie can make a tremendous amount of bank if it drops the p.c., pussy bullshit. So, that's it. I'm boycotting Paramount. If they're too scared to make a movie that is gung-ho for America (no pun intended), then I don't see why I need to give them anymore of my money.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST

    As for the RAH! RAH! America idea...

    by BizarroJerry

    Every aspect of the G.I. Joe property is not based on a "Hooray for the US military!" theme. The cartoon sometimes leaned towards that, but the heroes of this flick don't need to be running around literally flag-waving. Plus, Cobra is not a bunch of Islamic terrorists. They're an international threat, and aren't out for some ideology. They're James Bond villains! I don't see this being as big a deal as they seem to think it will be. And yes, I've heard that angle about this story from places other than Fox News.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Jesus.

    by RainJacket

    Who gives a shit. Goddammit all. I don't give a crap about International Extreme Integrated GeoGlobal Political Fighter Team Go. I can't wait to never see this for as long as I live. Yo Joe. Fuckers.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Ahh, Megaforce...

    by James Westfall

    Persis Khambatta with hair and a plunging neckline... a young Barry Bostwick ready to set out and conquer Hollywood, looking like Will Ferrell... Devon from Knight Rider... good times. And we shouldn't be surprised about GI JOE being taken away from America. Yes, it's political correctness run amok and yes that's got everything to do with the Commie left. But they pulled the same shit with Superman Returns with that Commie Michael Dougherty deciding that "American Way" was just too oppressive and imperialistic. Let 'em take GI JOE out of America and make it something its not. As a JOE fan since the first Marvel comic came out with the toyline I don't even want them to make this fucking movie because I don't want to see it mishandled. But they will, and they'll take a big hit for their Commie correctness. Eventually the failed flick will be forgotten, but Hollywood won't have learned a lesson about this sort of shit.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    I'm not even a huge fan of GI Joe...

    by Rando Calrisian

    But I find the lack of Pro-American anything coming out of Hollywood insulting. There are a lot of us who are very patriotic, and want to see the positive side of our country protrayed. How many of us are excited at the possibility of seeing an awesome Captain America movie. Now how many people want to go see Captain Commonwealth? That's fuckin' right - no one. Whatever, Hollywood. Your days are numbered. Remakes, Sequels, movies based on video games, action figures and cereal... Come on.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    "Don't need to be running around literally flag-waving"

    by James Westfall

    BizarroJerry, you never read a GI JOE comic, did you? They're all proud to be 'flag-waving' military types. That may offend you as some sort of imperialism or something but that doesn't change the fact that in the comic and the cartoon they're patriotic, they love their country and that they're proud to serve.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Phrozen

    by Holy Hell

    I don't care how a news organization identifies it's editorial position. The Times usually comes down on major issues on the left; Fox almost always comes down on the right. That's fine. What I find bothersome is that clearly defined editorial positions (left or right) has seemingly erased a debate on the PROCESS of reporting news. There are blogs with clearly defined LEFTIST biases that DO NOT use honest research and reporting, certainly. But in comparing the flagship organizations, if you will, of LEFT vs RIGHT (NYTimes vs. FoxNews) it is clear that there is more RIGOR in the journalism of the Times than in the ranting of Bill O'Reilley. But don't take my word for it, just watch FoxNews and read an issue of the NYTimes. I'll give you a generous benefit and not count you, dear Phrozen, into the following group, but MANY who declare a NYTimes liberal bias in their journalism have NEVER READ THE NEW YORK TIMES. It's between you and your integrity to decide if you've done research enough to make such a confident declaration. Just because theirs bias doesn't mean that one of the biased groups does a more thorough and penetrating job reporting on the world's news.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    This movie WILL be a pile of shit.

    by The Artist FKA Vesuvio

    It has Stephen Sommers on its credits. Nothing can change destiny.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Oh and cats tested poorly, so now its Thunderdogs.

    by modlight

    This is moronic. I never watched this show as a kid because I had ex hippie parents (god I wanted to which proves that boys wanna shoot shit nomatter what), but I have to say that if it isn't going to be the US army what is the point? And not to make this political (cause I am a liberal and lets not start shit), but if people can't buy the idea of a heroic US Army man, isnt now exactly when you want to put out something that makes them look heroic? Whattacountry!!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Pardon the sloppiness of my

    by Holy Hell

    Pardon the sloppiness of my syntax in the last post. change the last sent. to, "Just because THERE'S bias doesn't mean that one of the biased groups DOESN'T DO a more thorough and penetrating job reporting the world's news." Apparently I need an editor for talking back. Apologies. And BTW, I'm independent and vote like it.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST

    The line has been blurred

    by Steve_Dooku

    Fox "News" and essentially all cable news is "news" entertainment. They aren't journalists. They are hosts of programs that report hand picked stories that reflect and editorial view. Their jobs isn't to report news, it's to get you to watch their channel. It's no more complicated than that, and it's hilarious when people bicker on about each side making stuff up and being biased to one side.<br><br> G.I.JOE? I don't have much to say about that.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    No shit this will suck.

    by Shermdawg

    There's NO WAY they'll turn Cobra Commander into a snake.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Dooku

    by Holy Hell

    I agree with you, to a large degree. But such cynical simplification of the news media's motivations can paint the industry with too broad a brush. There IS good journalism going on, and the BAD journalism of the most popular outlets (such as cable news) can work to cynically diminish faith in ALL journalism. There is a spectum of journalistic integrity that we NEED to be aware of.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST

    generally I don't care about hollywood changing cartoon

    by troutpencil

    Fuck Transformers. But fuck, this is terrible. The movie was already going to be a sleazy attempt to suck in our money, but this nihilistic bullshit, if it's really evident in the movie, will make it unwatchable for me. I don't want to be so obviously spat on when I'm watching studio garbage, it'll never be worth it.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Snake-eyes

    by Redbox

    It's all about the Larry Hama comic, which was incredible. Snake-eyes, Scarlett, Stormshadow, Stalker, Duke (or Hawk), Destro, The Baroness and Cobra fucking Commander. Otherwise, Hasbro, you're making a big mistake! No Action Man! Screw em! Hollywood learn the Spider-Man, X-Men rule already! Do it right... lost of sequels and $$$ do it wrong ... kill the franchise!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Sure

    by Steve_Dooku

    There is good journalism out there, no doubt. We get to see it when it's good for ratings. Yes, this is a simplification, but it's a reality. Sadly, more often than not, in order to get "the real story" one has to find it themselves.<br><br> Most people would rather read a Yahoo (or aicn) headline and deem it TRUTH! so it is said, so it shall be! rather than going, hmmm....

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Steven Sommers is a good guy

    by AlwaysThere

    This apparent mishandling of this movie is all Paramount/Dreamworks fault. They're acting like pussies.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Action Force is for wussies!

    by Redbox

    Action Force sounds like a gay improv/dance group. Action Man sounds like a porn superhero. Snake-eyes would make him cry like a baby in under ten seconds. Just some friendly ribbing from across the pond! Yo Joe!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Can't wait for A. Valerious' cosplay pics

    by SpencerTrilby

    other than that, I'm pretty sure I was FIRST in breaking this story on a GI JOE TB a few weeks back, and no one cared. Give me a black box, guys!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Actually, James...

    by BizarroJerry

    I'm a major fan of the comics and read them to this day. And personally, I don't think I'd mind the literal flag-waving. I'm more trying to speak to what these people are concerned about. G.I. Joe does not NEED to be like that if they prefer it didn't. It's not vital to the property is all I'm saying. The old comic was often positive about the actual soldiers, while very critical of the goverment, politics and even the highest levels of the military. But no one has to be singing "A real American hero..." during the film. They're just soldiers fighting Cobra, and happen to be American. Again, I wouldn't mind if they were more patriotic, etc, with the story, but if they prefer not to be, you still don't have to "reimagine" the whole team.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Words fail me

    by Purgatori

    on how pissed off this makes me. So I'll just use two. FUCK YOU. To whomever has made that decision or whatever, FUCK YOU. That's just bullshit and even if it's just a cartoon, it's a slap in the face to our soldiers to say something like that.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    I need a hero

    by Lance Rocke

    I'm holding out for a hero til the morning light

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Are you surpised?

    by robotdevil

    I mean, Brian Singer already has Superman standing up for "Truth, Justice and all that stuff..." so why not mangle G.I. Joe a little bit. Given the anti-americanism rabid in the world today, I'll be shocked if they don't change the theme song to "A real Canadian hero...."

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:10 p.m. CST

    What's most insulting...

    by westwood13

    ... is the idea that they think if they make up an acronym, the foreign market will forget what G.I. JOE refers to. G.I. JOE = American. You can't change that by saying, "Oh, no, this G.I. JOE means Global Integrated whatever-the-fuck." People aren't that stupid. Except for the producers on this project, apparently.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    I'm a leftist, and I'd hate that PC bullshit

    by SpencerTrilby

    give me a real AMERICAN hero, not globally integrated jingoistic oversea explorers, or any other nonsensical shit.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Merrick, don't be a douche

    by Thick McRunFast

    "Word is...", especially coming from FOX, is not something to base a conclusion on.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Look GIJOE was never "Conservative"

    by Redbox

    I love GIJOE, I'm a bleeding heart Liberal, and I love the stories and the characters and I have been dying to see Snake-Eyes and the crew go against Chrome dome and Cobra in live action, for a very long time. Adding some one called Action man, I mean how seriously can you take someone called "Action Man." He sounds like a He-Man reject. Just because the Joes are American doesn't mean they are simple jingoistic products. The original run of the comic was about Honor, being a soldier, (which is universal) brotherhood and kicking ass against a smart and secret foe, who looked a lot like relatives of Darth Vader. Why would anyone want to mess with that! It fucking rules!!! It will make you giant hills of cash!! I saw Transformers, but I will not see an Action Man movie, unless you pay me. Hasbro!!! You better pull some weight and fix this now!! So I guess there's not going to be an October Guard?

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    oh beautiful for spacious skies

    by necgray

    GI Joe will put a boot in yer ass! Yeehaw, go Joe! Apple pie and momma and fireworks! Fried dough! Mah gawd, fried dough! Okay, now that I'm done being a dick... This IS a pretty retarded development IF it's true AND it still applies. Who doesn't know that GI Joe is an American character? It's even in the theme song. That being said, it WAS reported by Fox News, known conservative sycophants. And they WILL report anything that makes Hollywood look "unpatriotic". If it's a global team, I assume that means America is included. So chillax, you frothing talkbackers in your shit-kicking boots.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Let's start a game: find another acronym for GIJOE

    by SpencerTrilby

    Gutless Investors Jading Our Experience

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Of course...

    by BizarroJerry

    If these damn execs weren't making films thinking about how the foreign markets will take it instead of making a good movie. I remember a Siskel and Ebert review of some bad action/distaster whatever movie. After complaining about the lack of character with any depth or meaningful dialogue and explanation of what's going on, Siskel added cynically, "But that probably wouldn't crossover well to the foreign markets, anyway." The real problem with these adaptations of major cartoons, comics or other franchises is that the decision to make the movie was based on a bunch of executives assigning the movie to some writer and director. At least some novel adaptations are occasionally championed by someone who saw potential in the film and brings it to a company to try and make it with actual affection for the subject. Those movies have a better chance of succeeding, and may not be made by a committee.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Like Ash Talon said, this is old news...

    by Maximusprime

    and GI JOE will be still be the all American Hero. Fox just runs with any story that may appear un-American. It's typical, they aren't called Faux News for nothing. What's really bad is watching you fools continue to bitch about this story even though it has been posted that this "global force" just isn't how the movie will be. Take a moment to actually read shit for a change instead of just reacting like a fuckwad.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    I Was Not Allowed To Watch 'GI Joe' As A Kid

    by skoobyx

    Because it was too violent.<p> Although as far as I could tell the enemies always ejected before their planes blew up so it wasn't too bad. <p> I also couldn't watch 'Scooby Doo' because it was about the occult. BUT THE GHOST WAS NEVER REAL DAMN IT!! It was just Old Man Williams who wanted to scare people away from his property. And he would have gotten away with it...it it wasn't for you meddling kids.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    THIS IS LIKE MAKING MARTIN LUTHER KING WHITE.

    by TheDohDoh

    Is this a motherfucking joke?

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST

    megaforce

    by maxwell's hammer

    Oh, how I recall all my favorite Megaforce characters, such as "Asian Guy", "Black Guy", "Guy With Mustache", "Pilot, Not a Magician", and "Barry Gibb". Oh, the fun we had!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    What next? SUPERMAN becomes FRENCH.

    by snakecharmer

    Why are people so embarrased to be American? F. U. if you are. SImple. I can just hear the idiot executive during the meeting, " you know guys...". Makes me angry that such idiots have power. I could care less about GIJOE. It's just the typical story of an idiot executive fucking with a movie and injecting their politics or ideas and messing up the movie. Some stupid agent or lawer that managed to get into an executive position. People like Brett Ratner must be really good at Hollywood politics and that's why they stick around. I don't know. idiots. lates.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    GI Joke

    by dapaschad

    I'm European. And sure, I could watch an American Hero kick some cool cinematic ass. But if this movie, whatever the acronym will stand for, says that ALL US soldiers are 'real American Heroes' (and vice versea, that 'real American Heroes' are first-and-foremost soldiers) and that the world cannot possibly survive without them killing Foreign Bad Guys, then yes, it will not fly to big outside of the US. You can argue all you want using a black-and-white misguided historic view of how the US came to Europe's aid SIXTY-FOUR years ago (for which I'll gladly thank your grandparents) but the current political/military/economical strategy can hardly be called heroic, at least not in the sense of the word that most people in this talkback scream about.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    l'd rather see no movie at all than see it ruined

    by IndustryKiller!

    This is just a horrible idea. And as a hardcore fan of everything GI Joe I wish to god they would just scrap the whole thing because they are far too stupid to make it work. I don't care what anyone says, Transformers was a piece of fucking shit, its as close to a fact as an opinion on a film can be, and GI Joe is even harder to interpret and has more canon to follow. One thing people don't normally realize is that the linchpin of the show wasn't the Joes, it was Cobra. Seeing the exploits of Cobra Commander and crew was always far more interesting than anything on the Joe's side. And thee rogues gallery, Destro, Zartan, Firefly (my personal favorite, Storm Shadow, The Baroness, etc. were all held awesomely in the orbit of one Cobra Commander, one of the greatest overly dramatic megalomaniacs in pop culture history. Without Cobra Commander being just as he is, there just isn't a point in making this film, and I know they don't have the stones to do it right, so fuck it. Hell they couldnt even do Megatron and Starscream correctly.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST

    I think this negative hype will have an effect

    by warp11

    The execs check these boards. They'll reconsider.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Megaforce is awesome

    by hank quinlan

    Well it is. The only reason they made this was cuz transformers was so big. Lame.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Cobra will now be the American force.

    by Flim Springfield

    <b>

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    YOU STUPID BASTARDS, FUCKING DUMBASS EXECS!

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    What in God's name are you doing??? GI Joe is all about America! IT HAS TO BE ABOUT AMERICA. Fuck!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Anti American Fare

    by MarkWhittington

    Pretty soon we'll be getting films in which Americans are not only not the heroes, but are the bad guys. Wait...I think that is already happening.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    political correctness gone maaaaaaaaaaaad

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

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  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Hollywood movie hero= usually american.

    by snakecharmer

    In the history of Hollywood, how many of the heros have been American? Most. This is about politics, politics, politics. Did people forget that the world was behind us during the attack on the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Iraq has made tough but the world will be behind a new America. It's waiting to see who is elected next year. People out there do like America, Americans. Someone posted about wanting to see more pro American movies coming out right now. I'm with him. Paul Haggis is putting out his SHIT ON AMERICA movie. Why don't we have a pro-American movie to counter his shit. lates.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Blame Bush and his supporters. They turned the US evil.

    by Flim Springfield

    <b>

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Instead of blaming liberals for making America...

    by rbatty024

    feel they don't have heroes anymore, maybe you should blame the neocons for creating a world where America invades a sovereign country based on a false premise and continues to sacrifice American and Iraqi lives in an unwinable war (judged by the standards set out before the war; that is, that Iraq will have a Jeffersonian Democracy). Of course you can ignore reality and just blame those who are articulating it and making you feel bad. Boo fucking who! At least you have electricity, clean water, and don't have to fear being blown up on your way to buy milk and eggs. Oh, wait, all that pales in comparison to feeling bad about America. Anyway, I loved G.I. Joe as a kid, and although I think the eighties movie craze is a little lame, if they're going to do this right they need to keep it one step out of reality, just like the television show was. Cobra doesn't need to be muslim terrorists, they just need to be the bad guys. In other words, ignore real world politics if that's possible.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Okay, so fuck GI Joe, but HELL YEAH to Megaforce!

    by KCMOSHer

    I adored that Megaforce movie when I was 12/13. Had all the toys, even. I was a huge GI Joe geek as well, but if they aren't going to do it right, then screw that. GI Joe is what it is because it's a representation of America's military men and women. If they alter that, they alter everything. (They also don't plan on using any of the characters, considering that each one represented, more or less, a specific archetype of America or of the American military.) Now Megaforce, you have the whole international flavor, as well as some built-in kick-ass gadgetry. I wouldn't make it a remake, of course, I'd make it a sequel. Get Barry Bostwick to play the senior politico/liaison type, and a new team with much higher-tech vehicles and weapons. Carnage ensues.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Maximusprime, dapaschad

    by Redbox

    A) Yes the story has been out there and yes we have read it. Latinoreview.com has had many reviews on the script. They want Cobra out. They want it to be about 4-6 heros, including a guy named Action Man. I'm just adding to roar here in hopes that someone notices. B) Fox News may suck, but this story was, is and will continue to be real, regardless. C) I love French film, English TV and Tintin. G.I.Joe is a superhero version of the original toy line which was Hasbro's American soldier toy. G.I.Joe = Yankee. Does that mean I think it should be Xenophobic and Conservative? No. It can be American without being ugly. The same way John Constantine should have stayed English. Because it's apart of the character of the work. Read the first 25 issues of the original Marvel comic, watch the first two movies (not Cobra lalalalala) and tell me its about an overly American ego trip. Fox News and Ugly Americans have nothing to do with this. Spielberg wants Tintin to be an American. (That would suck donkey balls)

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:51 p.m. CST

    FilmSpringfield Re: Cobra will be American

    by KCMOSHer

    You're dead-on. Not only will they be American, but they'll be the covert operatives of a huge American corporation, designed to start wars around the world so that said huge corporation can profit off of them. I'm sure, since Hollywood is so good and using clever and subtle imagery to make their political points, the leader of said corporation will be a former Vice President who is a small, balding white guy named 'Crainey' or something.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    anchorite

    by Redbox

    This Liberal is really sick of the shit you conservative ass monkeys have done to this great country. Just because you're all closeted self haters who have to think of the President to make love to your wives doesn't mean you can continue to blame us for your fucking up the country. You're hyper nationalism belongs somewhere else comrade. America is about Liberty not fascism so Love It or Leave it Red State! Enjoy working for China. Screw you and Yo Joe!! Snake-Eyes is a libertarian. And just so people know, soldiers aren't Neocons. The Neocons are the rich TV and talk show hosts and politicians who don't go to war, but sit in comfort in public bathrooms with their feet spread wide.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST

    "This is about GI Joe, not Congress"

    by SpencerTrilby

    makes me think: maybe ol' George Lucas could write the script. At least if you want to fuck it, fuck it with a blast, and bunches of meaningless political considerations!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    The word "hero" has been so over-used since 9/11

    by Yeti

    it's starting to lose any real significance. As for the dropping of the "American" part that's just smart marketing for the rest of the planet. I'm sure in North America the film will be marketed toward your typical jingolistic, steak & potatoes flag waver.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Are we gonna at least get to see Quick Kick?

    by Doc_Strange

    Gotta have the wisecracking kung-fu master battle it out with Cobra goons. Maybe even have a part where he squares off with Storm Shadow. But I think they'll be saving that for Snake Eyes. Damn this movie's gonna SUCK!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    MERRICK... G.I. JOE IS ON THE RIGHT TRACK NOW

    by moto

    First off, as always AICN is fueling the fire. I'm a HUUUUUUGE GI Joe fan, but the fact that they are changing two words in the frackin acronym is NOT A BIG DEAL. SETTLE DOWN. And to top it off, you run a frackin' Fox News report with it? Ridiculous. <p> Honestly, does this at all indicate that they are scrapping the concept that we all grew up with? No. They changed an acronym that is virtually NEVER used in the cartoons or comics. It's G.I. Joe. I challenge anyone to find more than one reference in the cartoons and comics of what G.I. Joe stands for. <p> And for the record, they have a great writer (wrote Pirates trilogy and Collateral) coming in to write a new script (thus no Action Man bullshit, so stop complaining about that), and Sommers and co. have confirmed that they are following in the footsteps of the 80s cartoon and comics. <p> It's WAAAAAY too fucking early to start the whole "their raping my childhood" bullshit. <P> Lastly, wasn't Brussels always the location of the G.I. Joe base????? Either way, who cares? As long as G.I Joe is the code name for a highly trained special mission force with its mission to defend human freedom against Cobra, a ruthless terrorist organization determined to rule the world. Everything confirmed since Sommers' attachment mirrors that core concept. So chill out people. <p> It's one thing to bitch about Transformers before it comes about because of concept designs, casting, and an early script you didn't like... but NONE OF THAT HAS EVEN BEEN DONE with G.I. Joe. No casting. No early concept designs. No script since they're starting anew. Relax.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    GI JOSE

    by WONKABAR

    It's all about the overseas markets boys! International team for an international audience.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Maybe this is all the fuel we need to oust Bush

    by Doc_Strange

    The injustice of not being able to see Gi Joe as intended thanks to our current administration. Geeks all across the United States unite to oust what is currently seen as a legalized dictatorship. I say fuck em all, let's go back to the days of old and shoot em on the White House lawn. Bastards.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Merrick Doesnt know what GIJoe is

    by tehgreekhammer

    but hes intimately familiar with this ghey ass Megaforce? <p> this also coming on the heels of Harry neer having seen Transformers as a kid? <p> What kinds of childhoods did these AICN charachters have? Aside from sad and lonely ones that is...

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    G.I Joke a real american zero

    by Prefect Maximus

    Thats what this movie is sounding like. If you are going to do the movie do it right. From early reports its sounds like Destro is the leader with no Cobra Commander, I can live with this and I suppose so can a lot of other people. But stop with all the changes. G.I. Joe is based in the U.S. Let me guess, the Joes wont be allowed to display the U.S. flag its gonna be some politically correct symbol. Snake Eyes will probably be female, Lady J will be Mr. J, Duke will be a General, Destro wont have a metal mask and the Baroness will probably be a good guy. Look to people like Larry Hama for some insight. Yo Joe!!!!! A Real "AMERICAN" Hero......

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    And so it begins

    by Charles Sheen

    "OH NOES! The acronym is different! GIJOEINO! GIJOEINO!" Give me a fucking break. Stupid fucking fanboy douchebags.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Make it American or I sure as hell won't see it...

    by Cletus Van Damme

    nor will I introduce it to my kids or buy any of the merchandising.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    This is retarded

    by Mister Man

    I was a kid in the 60s, during Vietnam, and never once did I associate my damn DOLL with anything but the fact that it was a generic soldier. Everybody had one, and when we played with 'em, I doubt we were imagining rice fields and Napalm. I was too busy burying my sister's Barbie up to her neck, and running over it with the cool METAL Jeep accessory for Joe. Never knew anything of the cartoon in the 80s, of course. Honestly, don't see the need for a movie, especially one that is going to basically apologize for a toy. But since they made Barbie evil a decade ago, the time is sure ripe to hone in on yet another icon. Actually, they should have gone after those Donny & Marie dolls in the late 70s - at least my little sister had the sense to hang 'em by their necks over the stairwell.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Moto: A couple things...

    by westwood13

    Not to pick a fight, just pointing a few things out, assuming someone hasn't already beat me to it... First: The acronym was reported first in VARIETY when the story originally broke. FOX News didn't make it up. Second: G.I. JOE was never an acronym. It was, as you point out, a "code name." In the comics, it was a nickname given to them as a tribute to General Joseph Colton, the first "Joe." Their official name was "Special Counter-terrorist Group Delta." Third: No, they were never based in Brussels. They were an elite unit of the U.S. military and were originally based in a secret bunker called "The Pit" underneath the motor pool of the Chaplain's Assistant School at Fort Wadsworth. Later bases were located in Utah and Arizona. Never abroad. Fourth: None of this matters. It's useless geek trivia. The whole point is that they've taken something that's uniquely American and are trying to take the America out of it and it's futile. People aren't that stupid. G.I. JOE is always going to mean American soldier, no matter how many times they tell us it doesn't. The fact of the matter is that the producers are afraid of this material. They're second-guessing everything to do with it because they don't get it and they don't know what to do with it. That's always a bad sign. They're rushing this into production with a start date and no script. That's another bad sign. And to cover their insecurity, they're just going to throw money at it and hope it works. Bad sign #3. They need to embrace this for what it is or leave it alone. It could wind up being successful, but it definitely won't be G.I. JOE.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Oh, who gives a crap? They're Grunts blowing shit up.

    by TallBoy66

    And its based around their cool gagetry or whatever gimmick is for each specific Joe. I watched the 80s cartoon and I didn't care they were American, hell, I'm Canadian. All I cared about was the cool different types of badguys and goodguys they had, each with their own thing. And then they blow stuff up. So they won't wave stab a waving American flag into Cobra Commander's chest. Boo-freakin-hoo. Its still gimmick-y cartoon-y military action. That's the core right there.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Paramount Sucks: Give Us Back Our American Hero

    by kenichi tanaka

    I'm pissed that Paramount would come to this decision. To completely destroy one of the biggest icons if American Culture and turn it into little more than a propoganda machine for global politics is nothing short than a slap in the face from the thousands, possibly millions of fans of this franchise. For generations, fans of the classic animated series have grown up on watching "G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero" and now to have the series so drastically altered and removing all possibilities of G.I. Joe being part of the U.S. military? HELLO??? Is anybody home??? G.I. Joe consisted of soldiers from the United States branches of the military: US Army, US Air Force, US Marines, US Navy ... If I didn't know better, I'd swear that Paramounjt is either a front for Al Queda or quite possibly the United Nations ... I know I'll be boycotting this movie ...

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Oh, and another thing

    by Charles Sheen

    You dorks DO realize that the cartoon itself later changed to "an INTERNATIONAL hero", right? No? Fans indeed.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Guys, guys

    by Theta

    The source on this is FOX NEWS. Not exactly noted for A) being fair and balanced towards those who compete with the parent company in other arenas (let's not forget Fox and Paramount are direct competitors) and B) telling the truth. Is Paramount going to make sure it has as much global appeal as possible? Yep, and they'll gladly rape your childhood to do it, because they don't care about you. They know that millions of Americans don't pay close enough attention and will buy tickets like sheep, and they also know you'll show up anyway to bitch.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    The Reason Is Simple -- The U.S. Are The BAD GUYS Now

    by LaserPants

    The idea that America represents all that is good, righteous, and freedomtastic is OVER. Its been over for awhile (actually, if it ever was true), but now? After Bush and his Oil Baron cronies effectively turned the US into a Theocratic Imperial Power? After the human rights disaster of the Iraquagmire? Please. In the eyes of the world, and in at least 50% of the US itself, we are no longer even remotely aligned with anything good, righteous, or freedomtastic. We are the bad guys. Period. <br><br> Thats why the best way to do this is to keep in a US force, and have Paul Verhoven direct it as a kind of STARSHIP TROOPERSesque over-the-top satire of the US's multiple foreign policy disasters.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Fox News bashers...

    by jfp2007

    They're the most fair and balanced of the lot. All you little little libs and non-US people need to just STFU. You don't know what you're talking about b/c you get your info from 2nd hand, biased sources who feed you lies and propaganda. You're brainwashed and to the USA citizens in on it...you're traitors.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Holy Shit! That's Devon Miles from Knight Rider!

    by Pagz

    Yo Edward Mulhare! The poor man's Michael Caine!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3 p.m. CST

    As long as they are fighting Cobra...

    by Exorcissy

    And there are ninjas and other weird fucked up things, I really don't see making it an international force a problem. It makes more sense for it to be an international force. Now if they take away Cobra Comander and Destro and all the ninjas then we have something to complain about.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Mulhare = poor man's Michael Caine

    by SpencerTrilby

    glad I'm not the only one to think that way!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    WeinerPenis

    by ScrewParamount

    You're a moron. Even when Bill Clinton was in office, the French were complaining and protesting about American culture. No way in hell would an unabashedly American movie done well in France. Not everything is Bush's fault.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    P.C Joe

    by alienindisguise

    all the execs behind this one can suck my balls. Seems like every major studio in the country has become pussified at the core. If something worked before, don't try and "fix" it to fit societies current views. Society as a whole are retards to begin with.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Not to brag, but...

    by strosmer

    I actually saw Megaforce in the theater. Can anyone else make that claim? Huh? Can ya? My brother and I, were into G.I.Joe from the start of the 3-3/4" toy line and owned nearly every toy and figure, including the aircraft carrier. So though I have a great deal of nostalgia invested here, and I think a live-action movie version of this rather imaginative, albeit militaristic, universe would be a fascinating venture, it simply will never work. Forget the studio's concern about current political climate and toning down the hero aspect - even if a faithful approach to the toy line were attempted (sounds thus far like it won't even be close), my guess is the movie budget would need to be about $300m to pull off the idea of the seemingly unlimited (even impossible) resources available to Joe and Cobra that would make this a truly entertaining spectacle. Speedstream is right. Screw this one.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    LaserPants, it's me again. Still pissed?

    by SpencerTrilby

    Hi, Spence here, wish you're not still mad at me for my comments about your "Mandarin as a nano scientist" back in IM talkback^^ <p> Anyway, I once again disagree. GI Joe needs the antithesis of Paul Verhoeven. It NEEDS Roland Emmerich. I mean, Verhoeven may be a far better director, but he'd only hammer down the opinion that the US forces are inherently evil. Some guys in Iraq may be looting museums or raping twelve year old girls, but <p> 1/ Verhoeven wouldn't be allowed to shoot these scenes and <p> 2/ he'd be too happy to kill half of the cast by the end of the film just for kicks. <p> So I'd rather have that half-wit german Emmerich at the helm. At least it could be faithful, and if it's bad it will be HILARIOUSLY bad. When Verhoeven fails, it's pathetic; when Emmerich does (and we all know he would) it's funnier than a Monty Python movie.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Why Is AICN Taking Notes From FOX?

    by Colier Rannd

    What Merrick, waanna be on O'Reilly next? The US has a right to heroes, but frankly, how many are there right now? Captain America could've been it if Marvel had had him do the right thing and stand up to the President. GI Joe could do the same. I have a feeling though, this is just more right-wing FOX spin.Don't blame liberals people, blame the fucking president.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    strosmer: Megaforce in theater + GIJoe aircraft carrier

    by SpencerTrilby

    = bastard! Back in the day, I'd have killed for both. Put the carrier on eBay and you're a rich man.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    I take that back.

    by strosmer

    Probably not $300m, but certainly more than the studio will be willing to spend.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Well Spence...

    by Anna Valerious

    Since I don't know who has the duties of costume design on this film (And I have a feeling you want to see me as Barroness for some reason -meganeko-), I'm holding off. Anyway, how else could they market the film in the rest of the world? That's probably why they changed it.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    hey spence

    by strosmer

    Wish I still had the fucker. I think my mom garage-saled it after I got into high school. Thus the reason I am still trying to pay off my student loans personally.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Not Pissed, Trilby!

    by LaserPants

    I totally forgot about that! In fact, I see the weakness in my Mandarin reimaging. BUT, I still think he would have to be reimaged in some way; updated as a character. The way he is in the IRON MAN: Director of Shield comic seems to veer closer to where I was coming from, but still retaining the Ten Rings Of Power from Outer Space thang. <br><br> Anyways, although I do see the flaws of my initial idea , I stand firmly behind the Verhoven idea. Of course, it would have to be scripted by Ed Neumeier! I mean, shit, ROBOCOP and STARSHIP TROOPERS are both totally hilarious satires of the American culture, and STARSHIP TROOPERS is easily the most hilariously brilliant gonzo satire of American foreign policy since DR. STRANGELOVE. Sure, another Emmerich-helmed disasterpiece would be funny in spite of itself, due to his ineptness as a director (and one would imagine, as a human being) but I think a Verhoven / Neumeier team up would be a classic. CLASSIC!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Forgot bad sign #4...

    by westwood13

    This whole thing is the brainchild of Stephen Sommers, whose movies are a bit like eating all of your trick-or-treat candy at once. They sound like fun and they should be fun, but they never know when to stop and wind up making you sick.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:26 p.m. CST

    F' You Steven Sommers

    by NHRonin

    I hope this film bombs mightily. Sincerely, Everyone who has ever served honorably in the U.S. Military

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST

    This franchise does NOT need a movie...

    by JunoFallon

    I grew up watching G.I. Joe and loved it as a kid, but I don't see the point in making this into a film. We've got too many army shoot em ups popping up as it is. We don't need another and POORLY made I might add.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Sometimes...

    by Stafford

    I forget how awesome Barry Bostwick was in that movie. Today will not be one of those days. And as far as Joe goes, meh. For some reason I'm havin trouble caring. I didn't watch the show when I was a kid. If it was a Silverhawks or Visionaries movie I might get excited.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    HOLD YOUR DAMN HORSES

    by tile_mcgillus

    This is old news! Supposedly IESB.net broke the story down and has reports from Paramount saying they are bringing it back to the USA! <p>http://tinyurl.com/yu57x3<p> "We got a call from of our friends over at Paramount studios who told us that Joe will in fact not be based in Brussels. Also, while the team will be made up from an international background, it will be based here in the States. Let’s keep our fingers crossed since we are so early into the script phase."<p> Hopefully this is right.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    GI Joe was American?

    by Garamond

    See it on Fox "News" and you best take it with a grain of salt, a really big grain...real big now, like truck size. I grew up playing with those toys. I still have all of them in a dusty box somewhere, but it IS just a toy. I loved GI Joe because they had cool, detailed toys with a good tv/comic tie-in. Had nothing to do with chest thumping patriotism to me as a kid.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Nobody With Half A Brain Takes FOX NEWS Seriously

    by LaserPants

    Clearly FOX NEWS represents propaganda piped in directly from the Cheney/Bush regime. I mean, they hired ex-FOX NEWS anchor Tony "F*cking" Snow to be their press secretary for chrissakes! But, to the neocon mind, "fair and balanced" = you agree with whatever Bush says regardless of the fact that everything he has said has proven to have been either: <br><br>1) a bald-faced lie resulting in the deaths of untold thousands of innocent women and children both at home and abroad or <br><br>2) So far off from the real world as to represent a kind of Bizarroworld Drydrunk Narnia like affair for retardo theocratic redneck fucktards who just want to kill as many non-white, non-christians as possible regardless of the utter lack of justifable pretext. <br><br> And that doesn't even take into account the Bush regime's monsterous incompetance. Worst "president" EVAR. Seriously, how many people still support the man? Like 10% of the country? Please. Just stop it.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:42 p.m. CST

    re: strosmer/Valerious/Laser Pants

    by SpencerTrilby

    strosmer: too bad for the carrier. I know where you come from: my mom litterally put to the garbge can dozens of Iron Man back issues AND a near-mint Nintendo Entertainment System with 30+ games when I was a kid. I could pay me a new car with those by now; <p> Anna Valerious: Baroness or Scarlett, both suit me fine.<p> Laser Pants: your cruel words back then branded my fragile little mind with a hot iron (pun intended) but that's the tough TB law. As for the Neumeier/Verhoeven team-up, as much as I love RoboCop (and Starship Troopers, to a lesser extent) I'd rather see a "serious" GI Joe adaptation. The same way I'd love to see a full-fledged Heinlein's faithfull adaptation (live action or anime, I don't care), complete with exoskeletons.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    I think you're allowed to have American heroes

    by JonQuixote

    But it's hard to make a movie right now that idolizes (and idealizes) the institution of the American military. I suspect a lot of the characters in this movie will be very American and very heroic - it sounds more like they want them to be serving something a little more clean-cut than the American military is right now. Which is kinda sensible - otherwise you're gonna make something that looks a lot like propaganda, whether you want to or not.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    ACTION MAN already spelled doom for this long ago.

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    Even in their new "revised" draft, they're still trying to jam in some ass named "ACTION MAN" from England, and they're so worried about international interest in the film, theyre straying even farther and farther from the real Joe. It's doomed.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Megaforce..

    by skimn

    Good God, those clips were hilarious. Didn't realize that Hollywood cast an '80s action flick with an all gay porn cast.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Pork Chop Sandwiches!!

    by Ace Hunter

    I'm fully supportive of a Megaforce movies with the stipulation that they wear the same attire. Also, Will Ferrell must play me. Kissing my thumb, Ace Hunter

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    This Megaforce clip screams "Bostwick as Solid Snake"

    by SpencerTrilby

    You know it.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST

    If you don't like America, fuck you

    by liljuniorbrown

    Thats what Duke (played by Will Ferrell) should say as the opening line of the movie.Seriously though there is no country in the world that is perfect, none, wanna know why? Cause bull shit politicians run things, not the people who elect them. It's easy to bitch and say how much you hate the place where you live instead of trying to change things. The main reason this property will not have any American flags waving is not because of how we are viewed around the country,it's so that the studios can make more money when they release it over sea's. They don't want it to be to "poloarizing" .

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Just saw The Mummy Returns

    by SpencerTrilby

    I managed to avoid it for 6 years, and the movie somehow managed to make me pay for it. God, THAT was awful. At least Scorpion King had Kelly Hu and Bobby Sixkiller in it.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Is Sean hannity in this?

    by TheRealSeveren

    Id love to see him in a role he could really sink his teeth into. I only collected Cobra as a kid.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    I Love America

    by LaserPants

    I just hate its current despots, er, rulers, er "elected" executive branch. Most people in the country feel the same these days (even the people who got feared into thinking the neocon regime weren't total idiots -- they've since woken up to the nightmare we've found ourselves in as newly minted imperial power under Halliburton). Its not the average joe's fault that the country is being run into the ground by an incompetant theocratic drydrunk oil billionaire, his boss Dick Cheney, and his various psychotic corporate cronies. The average joe hates em as much as the most progressive poli-sci college professor. In case you haven't noticed, the country has been gradually swinging to the left as the right kills itself.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Fuck MEGAFORCE...

    by Mosquito March

    ...I want CONDORMAN!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Duke was always clownshoes anyways...

    by lynxpro

    General Hawk should be in charge, with Scarlett, Snake Eyes, and Stalker being the favored members.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    I'm Canadian, and I freakin' LOVED GI Joe!

    by mdf2

    The 'Real American Hero' thing didn't really bother me then -- it was all about the good guys and their nifty gear standing up for what is right in the world and kicking Cobra bad guy arse. Which they did. Week after entertaining week. Watching the cartoon again, I found some of it dated more than a bit -- but still entertaining. And if they're making a movie out of this, that's all I want. This is escapism. The real world, and anyone opinions -- mine or otherwise -- shouldn't enter into it, or matter. They're American -- fine, keep 'em that way. Just make sure they're true to the original show -- and kick the right asses. But sadly, at this moment, I see the GI Joe franchise curled up on itself and hissing: 'I -- was once a MANNN...' ;)

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Just got off the phone with mendoza....

    by knifeandfork

    He was all like : "K&F! Buddy! How ya been? Since all these 80s cartoons are being turned into movies, how about a Mysterious cities of gold movie huh? Ive got a script ready and everything, all i need is an investment of 80 million dollars ....." Needless to say, i hung up on him at that point . Also, GI JOE will suck, inaccurate Acronym or not.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Brussels is the (international) HQ for UNIT, not GI Joe

    by lynxpro

    It had to be said.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Aragorn

    by GilesT

    'Hyperbolic' isn't a verb, my friend. 'Hyperbolise' works, but only 'exaggerate' would've saved you from accusations of pretension.. <br> <br>Still, a trisyllabic word, clearly you don't work for Fox... ;-)

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Merrick, what about your USA=bad guys in the V article?

    by Immortal_Fish

    You just pulled a massive Nordling on this one.<P>Regardless, who didn't see this coming anyway? Americans have become complacent -- even satisfied -- to think of themselves as being the bad guy since the 60's.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Stephen Sommers Just Raped My Childhood and America

    by The Green Monster

    G.I. Joe always has been and should remain "a real American hero." I don't want to see the liberal lefty koombayah singers ruin this franchise. If this rumor turns out to be true, I'll be saving my money on this turkey.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Way to rape them childhoods!

    by Pops Freshemeyer

    What does Hollywood ruin next, Bump & Jump? Rock N' Rope? Robotron 2084?

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Wait... the bad guys, COBRA =

    by Immortal_Fish

    Cabal Of Boisterous Retarded Americans. And manege to somehow find a way to make their logo look less like a cobra and more like a FOX!!<P>I smell a giant international cash cow! But please do a simultaneous release with the Democratic National Convention to ensure somewhat of a decent domestic box office return.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    So the acronym changes - who the fuck cares?

    by dastickboy

    I could care less what GI Joe stands for, infact I think the change is more plausible. Make it a multi-national force, I always thought it was and not just one country's elite corps. Just make sure the characters are in there, they have badass vehicles and COBRA are evil bastards.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Now hear this.....

    by 1 And Only Son Of Tony

    I'm English but I loved GI Joe as a kid. This movie is plain going to suck if continues in the direction it seems to be going. That is all

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Damn right it wouldn't fly.

    by MikeTheSpike

    Get a clue. Nobody wants to see a movie about a bunch of American douchebags running around the world shooting other people. Sorry to break to to you, kids. Maybe next time don't vote for Bush twice.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST

    It does seem like they've completely missed the point.

    by brokentusk

    I don't need to spell it out, but G.I. JOE is a distinctly American "hero". Changing the name reeks more of cowardice than prudence.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 6:32 p.m. CST

    On the other hand...

    by brokentusk

    If it's all about selling product overseas (both the film and the merchandise), then it could be a smart move. It doesn't really matter anyway, it's just G.I. JOE - last I checked, there were no giant robots involved.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 6:35 p.m. CST

    GI Joe always had more foreigners than a Cali farm.

    by BMacSmith

    who cares about the name? i dont

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Once again: this is a 80s toy commercial movie.dont cry

    by BMacSmith

    No one's childhood is being raped here. it will be stupid like transformers and you can still clutch your original gi joe movie.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Left wing nutjobs!!

    by JustyHakubi

    Now their fucking castrating GI JOE! This is total fucking horse-shit. I want my damn heroes back. Hollywood needs to get their fucking head out of their ass and realize that there is more to the world than liberal-minded people. Not everybody hates the United States. Not everyone in America is a self-loathing liberal. They need to get the politics out of movie making. I was looking forward to the GI JOE movie. Yet after hearing this, fuck that. Give me back my GI JOE!! In addition, the GI JOE force was international. Yes, it was primarily "American". However, that force was defending freedom for all. And please, to the assholes who have a need to attack everything coming out of the 80's as commercial, please just turn on your NPR and go back to surfing moveon.org. Your shit is getting very tired. I honestly don't give a damn that a corporation made money while giving me entertainment. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Your live your life eating granola and not taking showers, I don't have live like that. So quit preaching your shit. You're just as bad as the televangelists that you hate.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    WTF! HOLLYWOOD!

    by Violator90

    Hell, fuck the G.I. Joe movie, make it the MINORITEAM movie.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Also...about that "Megaforce"....-ahem-....'trailer'...

    by Anna Valerious

    That was probably Barry Bostwick's most degrading moment...besides dancing around in women's lingerie in "Rocky Horror". And Michael Beck was hot back in the day. :D

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Whose fault is it? I don't give a fuck

    by SpencerTrilby

    AICN + GIJOE + FOX = hilarity. <p> Clueless people should take the politics out of the equation, for sure. The only culprits are those who pay (ie = don't sneak in) to see this. I sneaked into Bayformers (or TINO, or whatever the unhappy few name it) and enjoyed it. I'm already prinying my virtual fake tickets for this new Sommers CGI porn.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST

    PRINTING my tickets

    by SpencerTrilby

    but you caych my drift.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Progressives (aka "Liberals") Don't Hate America...

    by LaserPants

    They hate Bush, and what he's done to the country. If anyone hates America, its the rightwing nutjob neocons, who are far more akin to fascists than democratic freedom lovers. You know it, I know it, most of the country and the world knows it, so stop fronting neocons, yr uppance hath come. If you want to live in a state akin to Nazi Germany, why not go back there. I hear suicide is the best method of time travel. Also, you'll get to meet Jeebus in outer space! Wowzers!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 7:23 p.m. CST

    This is a BAD idea

    by Neo Zeed

    It's certainly the wrong time to be coming out with GI:Joe, but to bastardize it like this, makes Transformers look like Batman Begins.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    westwood13...

    by moto

    You didn't pick a fight at all. Fact is, it's good to see an intelligent viewpoint executed in a TB. <p> I see your point. Yeah, it is stupid for the producers to be so paranoid about the American angle. As a fan of G.I. Joe, I say fuck the international viewpoint. BUT, I'm fine with it being an internationally based special forces unit. Throw in a couple characters with accents, that's fine with me. Who cares. Just as long as the characters keep their significant identities/specialties that stand apart from the others. And they use the latest technology, weapons, and vehicles to fight Cobra. As long as that happens, and they stick to the core concept I'm good. <P> It's FAR BETTER than the atrocity that was the Skip Woods' version of the story with Action Man involved and a villian named Cool Dude. <p>

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 7:31 p.m. CST

    My point I guess...

    by moto

    ... was that everyone is blowing this shit WAAAAAY out of proportion. It's a small detail. Yes, if they DWELL on the idea of G.I. Joe not being an American entity, if they keep bringing it up over and over then that's lame. If it's just G.I. Joe being based in Brussells rather than American soil, who cares? It makes more sense anyway as Cobra usually terrorizes the whole world. If it's just a small detail like that to give something for the international markets, fine. Just keep the core concept and use the characters from the show and comics. <p> It's utterly stupid to freak out about this tiny detail.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 7:37 p.m. CST

    what do we expect?

    by WolfmanNards

    Transformers is a good example of the shit that they're willing to feed us, and evidently, we're willing to eat.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 7:56 p.m. CST

    MikeTheSpike, re: "running around shooting people"

    by Immortal_Fish

    "Get a clue. Nobody wants to see a movie about a bunch of American douchebags running around the world shooting other people."<P>First we can't go after Hussein, the one tyrant in the world with more baggage than the rest COMBINED, and now GI Joe is a bunch of "American douchebags running around the world shooting other" (and this is my, like, favoritist part, dude)... PEOPLE"...?!?!?<P>LOL<P>Cobra = "people"<P>And we wonder why the rules of engagement don't permit us to win.<P>But wait! There's more...<P>"Sorry to break to to you, kids. Maybe next time don't vote for Bush twice."<P>So now Bush is also responsible for the GI Joe being a UN equivalent? Eeesh.<P>As you wrote, pal... "Get a clue." JOhn KErry said often (when pressed HARD) that he wouldn't have pulled out of Iraq. At least not before he did. No surprise there. That man hasn't done a fucking thing in Massachusetts for several decades.<P>GI Joe = glorified UN taskforce is a bad idea. I'd kinda like to see at least one bullet fired in a GI Joe movie. Or laser beam, or grenade toss, or whatever.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 8:05 p.m. CST

    LaserPants, not many conservatives are fans of Bush

    by Immortal_Fish

    "Republican," "NeoCon," and "Conservative" are all very mutually exclusive terms. It'd be nice if some of the folks on the other side of the aisle would come to grips with that fact.<P>Anyhow, most conservatives have distanced themselves from Bush. Similar to how they distanced themselves from Craig and Foley. It'd be nice if the other side would come to grips with these facts too. You can keep your Barney Franks and Gerry Studds all day long if you like. We'd prefer not to.<P>"Also, you'll get to meet Jeebus in outer space!"<P>Ahh, yet another nugget of sweetness from the party of tolerance.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Let's send Paramount some cash

    by Bluereader

    Those cheap cocksuckers bow down to the dollar (look at HD-DVD). Let's start a paypal account to make Joe American again (that is the American way).

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Let's send Paramount some cash

    by Bluereader

    Those cheap cocksuckers bow down to the dollar (look at HD-DVD). Let's start a paypal account to make Joe American again (that is the American way).

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Hey Merrick - They already remade MEGAFORCE

    by Manos

    IT was called Delta Force...same bikes, same plane, same dune buggies, and of course Chuck Norris, who thankfully never wore a gold jumbsuit.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Er- Sorry for the typo

    by Manos

    JUMPSUIT

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Who cares if it's an international task force now.

    by The Founder

    Will this really hinder the success of GI JOE? I think not. So what is it's an international peace keeping force, as long as they are taking on the World terroist organization known as Cobra.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST

    an international force MAKES MORE SENSE

    by HamiltonGeyser

    unless its the 80s. its just an update for the new world we live in. this isnt a big deal.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 8:45 p.m. CST

    I think she would worry more about Sommers.

    by The Founder

    Really. I worry more about him then changing what GIJOE stand for. Who in the hell want the correct history of GIJOE? It too was cartoon to sell toys.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Well, I Did Say Neocons, Immortal Fish

    by LaserPants

    Knowing the difference between actual conservatives (I kinda like the libertarian thang, they're the cool conservatives) and wacko rightwing nutjobs. <br><br> And, though its true I mock all religion as being ridiculous, its still a choice, and therefore open to ridicule. Being born homosexual, however, is a birthright, a genetic inheritance, not a choice, and therefore to hate them is inhumane bigotry (Nazi-esque, if you don't mind my saying so). If yr one of them thar God believers, I'll brak it down for ya -- He "designed" them that way. Who are you to front the word of GOD?!<br><br> Finally, I thought the problem with Craig and Foley weren't their gayness, but their sleazy, hypocritical, perversity. Hooking up with teenage boys and policemen in airport bathrooms is gross -- the desperate acts of men forced to hide who they are. Never heard of Barney Frank coming onto a teenage boy page, or trying to suck copcock in a friggin bathroom stall! Gay does't = perverted. PERVERTED = perverted. For proof of this, see the Catholic Church.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Dont fucking make it then

    by Geek Sodomizer

    If it's not fucking U.S. then its not fucking G.I. Joe. FUCK THIS SHIT.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST

    that Youtube Megaforce clip was rockNHILARIOUS

    by future help

    more entertaining than QT's Death Proof.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Ahhh, capitalism!

    by Dr. Chim Richalds

    That most American of pursuits. The studio is simply doing what it thinks will maximize its profits. Why would it care if this decision costs $10 million domestic, if it gains $20 million overseas? Do you think that patriotism is going to get in the way of a business decision? There's no conspiracy here, though I can see that many people are manipulating the situation to fuel their misinformed political agendas.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Make it an international team...

    by waylayer

    ...and all it becomes is Rainbow 6. Keep it American. The rest of the world's box office be damned.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    I saw Megaforce in the Theater

    by kevinwillis.net

    But probably won't go see this. Hollywood is sucking out the uniquely American part of American icons, like Superman--which was anemic, not just because they were unwilling to say that Supes fights "for the American way", but because that attitude of their being no such thing as American exceptionalism infused every fame. Made an iconic character tedious. Megaforce, though . . . now, there was a movie.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Space Hunter in the Forbidden Zone in 3D

    by kevinwillis.net

    With Molly Ringwald was also good.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Miami Vice all over again

    by jimbojones123

    Source material is so overrated.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST

    I Think a Global International Force Will Make

    by kevinwillis.net

    A great fighting team.<br><br>Scene one--a strongly worded letter is written to a despot with a nuclear missile aimed at every European nation. <br><br>Scene two, several blue-helmeted members of the G.I. Joe Justice Team sit by while innocent women and children are raped and murdered because no one at command with authorize protecting them, as it would be considered interfering with another nations sovreignitry.<br><br>Scene three, ten resolutions condeming the despotism of the nuclear madman threatening to destroy Europe are drafted and argued about.<br><br>Scene four, the leader of the G.I. Joe International Justice Court, blames the U.S. and it's energy use for inspiring the nuclear madman, and the nuclear madman issues a press release agreeing that it is, indeed, America's fault that he's been driven to threaten Europe with anhilation.<br><br>Scene Five, Republicans in congress draft a bill that will stop the U.S. from sending billions of dollars in financial aid to said madman every year, Democrats fight the measure tooth and nail, saying that not sending the nuclear madman billions in tax payer dollars will only make the nuclear madman 'angry'.<br><br>Bill Clinton is flown in with a re-animated Nevil Chamberlain, Hugo Chavez, Nelson Mandella and Fidel Castro. A deal is struck for the U.S. to release all suspected terrorists, give them guns, and send billions of foreign aid to nations that pledge death to America. Newspaper headlines read: "Peace in our time."<br><br>This is going to be such an awesome movie.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Man, My Spelling is Awesome

    by kevinwillis.net

    "Sovreignitry". And grammar: "no one with authorize". Etc. Damn it, Republicans <i>are</i> stupid. I'm living proof.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 10:09 p.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by kevinwillis.net

    The contortions you go through to justify your selective hatred and bigotry are most impressive. Better than a Chinese acrobat.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 10:17 p.m. CST

    If the studio "planted" this story

    by jimbojones123

    I hope they got the reaction they wanted!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 10:27 p.m. CST

    G.I. Joe as an international force?

    by vezner2007

    No thanks. I'll not be watching, buying, or even renting such a blasphemy. This is by far the biggest shit I've ever seen a studio make on one of these "cartoon to movie" type films. It's insulting to everyone that grew up watching G.I. Joe. End of story.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Two things about Megaforce video...

    by Freefinger

    1) was that Devon White from Knight Rider at the start of the clip!?!?! Was this before Knight Rider?? I'm thinking that Devonbailed on the Megaforce team when he saw how ridiculous the future Mayor of New York city, Barry Bostwick (aka Mayor Randall M. Winston Jr. - Spin City) was acting and got a dude in tight jeans to drive his talking black Firebird!! Mouahaahhahahaah!! <p>2) What the heck was that team?!?! Gay parade 1982?!?!? Look at the clip... "It's Hunter" they rejoice, the guy with the mustache is really happy, and the rest of the crew, who are wearing tights to ride dumbass looking motorcyles with steam coming out of the exhaust scream in shear joy to see their headband wearing leader catching up to them so he can ..ehem.. mount.. the plane from the rear with higly powered engine!... MOUAHAHAHAAHAHAH<p> Man how cheesy the world was in 1982!!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:11 p.m. CST

    i grew up on joe...but its propaganda

    by CQuest

    its CLEARLY propaganda. i mean cmon. this was ok in the 80s, but doesnt fly nowadays. its why superman doesnt fly anymore. the world is SICK AND TIRED of the white american hero who is ultra patriotic, and especially in the joe sense, a military man. it just doesnt fly. in this new world....order....its international. thats how it SHOULD be. cobra international, joe international. live with it you white boys.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by Immortal_Fish

    I'm a libertarian, agnostic, Powhatan. So, fuck you. And get off my lawn.<P>But before you do that, please do google up the wild and crazy antics of those two multiple re-elected officials from Massachusetts, Barney Frank and Gerry Studds. You know, from the same state that has continuously elected the waste of human flesh windbag known as JOhn KErry.<P>Asshole.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Republicans Funded Al Queda, Bin Laden & Saddam Hussein

    by LaserPants

    Talk about yr madmen! And the US bankrolled them all under the auspices of the Republican "leadership." Tawk about yr foreign policy disasters! And not ones you just made up for limp satiric intent kevinwillis, but ACTUAL EVENTS! Inspired by yr heroes! Reagan, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush Sr. and Jrs.! Wowzers! Amazing how, when you look at the history, its the rightwing nutjobs all along! With the left being mostly a indignant bark, and no bite. Something to do with limitless resources and wealth coming up against limited resources. Rich guys tend to win... and then fuck things up royally.<br><br> (LaserPants says as he leaps, Chinese acrobat like, over the heads of the neocons, who, secretly prowling around bathrooms across america, looking for the blessed copcock, pretend they have a f*cking clue, their "movement" literally dying as they sputter, dissemble, and point the finger of blame at a President long out of office, for fear, one should suppose, of facing the monster in the mirror, the pulpit, the dream that died, the votes they cast, the nightmare it always was. Gawd bless Halliburton!)

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST

    LaserPants You Ignorant Slut

    by James Westfall

    Who did Tony Snow work for before he was an anchor at FNC? He worked for the first Bush Administration. Oh what a scandal - he went back to work for our current President! Oh the shame! Hopefully your disdain cuts just as deep for George Stephanopoulos, who was a Clintonista who went on to become an ABC News bigshot. Or is he okay since he's a Commiecrat?

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by boogy110

    Please don't make a GI JOE Movie. It will totally suck balls. Make a cartoon movie all you want, but NOT A LIVE ACTION FLICK!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Mega Force?

    by boogy110

    That was the sittiest fucking movie of all time. I even liked Street Fighter better, WTF???

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST

    The Price You Pay...

    by DeeJay

    ... when a marketing executive speaks to a reporter who doesn't seem to understand the source material. The original article looks to be at http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296054,00.html. The article is an awkward read, and just may be a prime example of the "Narrative Fallacy." The author's description of the 80's incarnation of the toy line was bizarre, and some of her key assertions were supported by no quotes or sources. Unfortunately, the direction of this discussion just might provide a blueprint for future online misinformation campaigns. Apparently, it's quite easy to press the patriotic buttons on some fanboys. Too easy.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Oh, So Frank Had Sex With Prostitutes, Huh?

    by LaserPants

    So he's sleazy too? Oh well, at least he isn't a raging hypocrite hatemongering asshole who actively pursues oppresing, and limiting the rights of people just like him -- raging homosexuals. Which Craig, Foley, Ted Haggerty, and I'm sure Karl Rove and others are clearly.<br><br> Again, its the hypocrisy that riles the most, the hatemongering as overcompensation, the "thou dost protest too much"ness of it all. <br><br> Oh, and agnostic? Thats gayer than a republican senator. Seriously, waffle much? Atheist, baby, the judeo-xtian-mussham shite is a f*ckin' fairy tale to sooth the fearful hearts of the idiotic. Opitate of the masses, if you will. Though, admittedly, Buddhism is great; cause its funny, kind, and wise. No hate either! Imagine! A philosophy rather than dogma and hatespew!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST

    LaserPants, part 2

    by Immortal_Fish

    You forgot, in glorious "progressive" fashion, one of the points I brought up. One of the points you chose to dedicate an entire paragraph to.<P>Conservatives are running away from Craig as they did with Foley. Haven't you noticed? Or do you simply chose not to in order to feel better about yourself? Taking opportunity to rub our faces in it after we've long since departed? Even though it's ultimately about one of your "progressive" issues? So all your righteousness about what Craig did is completely lost on myself and other Conservatives.<P>You see... in other words, we get all that. That's why we want Craig to step down. And here you are, telling me all about how you were talking specifically about the "NeoCons" while painting me, the conservative, along with them in the broad brush. As if Craig was a neocon to begin with. I don't know whether or not he could be considered as such. And I suspect you don't either.<P>And don't go there with me about "choice" and homosexuality. The Kurds didn't choose their lot and Hussein still fucking gassed their asses.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST

    LaserPants, re: "So Frank Had Sex With Prostitutes"

    by Immortal_Fish

    I'm presuming he didn't, but who knows for certain? Chances are his boyfriend most likely did using Frank's bankroll.<P>I presume you've never heard anything about this stuff...?

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Yes, Hussein Gassed Their Asses

    by LaserPants

    With, you guessed it, the VX Gas the US gave him under Reagan, Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld! How Xtian of them! <br><br> But wait, let me get this straight. Are you saying you turned away from Craig and Foley because they're gay? Or because they hate homosexuals? Cause, seems to me, their hatred of homosexuals, their support for limiting the human rights of gays was just fine for you, but when you found out it was all a ruse to cover up their own homosexuality, it bothered you. Um. Wow. So that hate was fine, the anti-democratic, theocratic fascism was fine, but the fact that it turned out (you dont say? really?) that they were gay, it became an issue? So that makes you have the high ground... how?

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Never Heard Of It, No

    by LaserPants

    And again, the problem isn't the gay, or even the sleaze, but the hate, the doublespeak, from raging closet republican homosexuals who actively oppress their own kind for reasons that can only be related to years of abuse they suffered themselves; being ostracized, cused by the witchdoktors of Jeebus and the like. Ya see, its the hypocrisy, self-loathing and hate that riles, not anything else.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:47 p.m. CST

    team america already did what gijoe would have done

    by CQuest

    therefore it has to be international. u cant make an american gijoe propaganda movie seriously in 2007. it would have to be obviously republican in nature, and our planet HATES republican right now, just despises the shit outta them. white males are hated more than anything, especially the whole blonde hair blue eyed thing that Duke would be leading with. really, the material is dated, and there shouldnt be shit made from it. but if they HAVE to do it, u have to make it international. you white boys got to see u cant run everything right? america cant be the center of the world

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    just to get this out of the way...

    by maxwell's hammer

    ...Action Man gotta eat a bomb in his chest and cheats on Hulk Hogan.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 11:59 p.m. CST

    First Captain America...

    by Broseph88

    now G.I. Joe... It's just wrong, excuse us for kickin' ass and takin' names.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 12:01 a.m. CST

    LaserPants re: "Hussein Gassed Their Asses"

    by Immortal_Fish

    With the same WMD never had? Let's face "progressive" facts -- he had it when Reagen gave it to them, but then they didn't have it once we decided to go after him for it.<P>"But wait, let me get this straight. Are you saying you turned away from Craig and Foley because they're gay?"<P>No. And in predictable "progressive" fashion, you're attempting to hang something on me that I've already explained clearly beforehand. Scroll up.<P>Again, conservatives have backpedaled away from Craig because the conservative tenets he was elected to uphold were tarnished by his own hands. Not NeoCon, not Republican. Read on for what I mean by those "conservative tenets" ...<P>"Or because they hate homosexuals? Cause, seems to me, their hatred of homosexuals, their support for limiting the human rights of gays was just fine for you, but when you found out it was all a ruse to cover up their own homosexuality, it bothered you. Um. Wow. So that hate was fine, the anti-democratic, theocratic fascism was fine, but the fact that it turned out (you dont say? really?) that they were gay, it became an issue? So that makes you have the high ground... how?"<P>Because he broke the law.<P>You see, you, the homosexual, are making this an issue about homosexuality. Because it suits YOU.<P>Meanwhile, conservatives back away from Craig for one simple reason. He broke the law. It's no more complex than that. And now he's trying to squirrel out of it. We don't like that stuff.<P>The definition of "is" need not be explained to us.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 12:05 a.m. CST

    maxwell's hammer

    by Immortal_Fish

    That would be he 'cheets' on Hulk Hogan, that sexy, tom-boy beanpole. And even then, not before he drank a beer.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Glad I'm an AssHOWL!

    by Boober

    I hope Snake-eyes and Storm-shadow make 13 cuts each and as the entire "Globally Integrated" Megafore team and its enemies and the execs who greenlit this fall to the floor, the two of them sync in saying, "Old-school 80's bitches. Saturday morning cartoons ftw." P.S. Harry should have chosen Blu-ray, and if you do any research, you KNOW why...

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Immortal_Fish

    by Dr. Chim Richalds

    The idea that the Craig scandal is not at least partially fueled by homophobia is laughable. I take it that David Vitter (involved in DC, *heterosexual* call-girl ring) and Arlen Specter (main Craig supporter) are also currently in your shithouse? The one broke the law, the other gave Craig the idea to recant. Surely you would not want to be affiliated with such lawbreakers, or their aiders and abettors.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Duke is going to give Scarlett the D.I.C.K.

    by GornPirate

    But ShipWreck wants to Gungho to lick his ..oh never mind.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 12:42 a.m. CST

    What are those horrible orange creatures...

    by Beaumaloe

    ...in Hollywood doing? Tell them I hate them! Don't they know that anyone who cares about GI Joe won't have a problem with Gov't Issued? If this keeps up, I have a feeling that the first GI Joe movie will end up like the original Fantastic Four movie, the one from 12 years ago complete with a wobbly wave good-bye at the end.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 12:47 a.m. CST

    All of This from a Largely Unsubstantiated Report?

    by DeeJay

    Wow. I never would've thought that Barney Frank's name would be invoked on a GI Joe movie discussion board. Fellow AICN, please keep in mind that much of what you now write will be largely academic by the time this movie is released. For example, G. Bush will be gone from the White House... and the U.S. message to the world will be noticeably different in some way, shape or form (be the next President a Democrat or Republican). Besides, at the end of the day, this movie is just a sequel to the most recent live-action GI Joe movie from a little while back. Y’know...the one that was called "300."

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 1:24 a.m. CST

    So it's more Action Force than GI Joe?

    by Grando

    Whatever, it's film based on a toy line directed by the fucktard that shat out Van Helsing. Who gives a shit?

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 2:13 a.m. CST

    help computer!

    by frankenfickle

    stop all the downloadin!

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 2:13 a.m. CST

    THE US MILITARY IN TRANSFORMERS

    by Mace Tofu

    really hurt the box office on that film. Can't wait for NATO JOE AND THE GREAT GITMO RESCUE HuuuuRah!

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 2:14 a.m. CST

    was that DEVON MILES dropping in from Knight Industries

    by Maniaq

    to check out the competition? And that pilot sounded a little bit like KITT too! ahhh... nostalgia... <br> <br> You know,I hate to point out the BLEEDINGLY OBVIOUS (espescially coz I haven't read any talkbacks yet so there's a good chance someone's already pointed this out already) but you realise you ARE getting an American hero - his name's John Rambo and he's coming soon to a theatre near you...

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Too Bad JOHN RAMBO will not have GI JOE's budget : (

    by Mace Tofu

    but yeah Maniaq it will be a better film : )

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Moto:

    by westwood13

    I think people are freaking out about this small detail because it speaks to a couple of larger issues, namely the producer's failure to understand the material. When the people who paid Skip Woods to write the "Cool Dude/Action Man" script decide that G.I. JOE isn't American, it doesn't give one much hope that they're going to come anywhere close to capturing the spirit of the source material. Which is a crying shame, because the Larry Hama comics created a great universe to play around in. It's also an indication that they're producing from a position of fear. And that's never a good thing. Nobody ever made a great movie by playing it safe. And so far, these guys have been proving themselves to be real pussies. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I ain't holding my breath.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 2:32 a.m. CST

    G.I. JOE IS FUBAR!

    by Uncapie

    Tofu eating, sandal wearing, politically correct G.I. Person. Fuck....

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Wrong way to make creative decisions.

    by jerseycajun

    This is what I like to call: "Making artistic decisions based on non artistic criteria". I remember reading an op ed article online a few months back complaining that "Ratatouille" Should have featured female versions of Remy and Linguini instead of those characters. Why? Because Pixar doesn't have enough female leads in their movies. Whether it's that, or that all things American these days are out of vogue because of the current opinion overseas, these are not creative concerns. Indeed for fans of the animated GI Joe, (and I wasn't really a fan of that one) this is going to be viewed as nothing more than political correctness run amok. Making GI Joe part of an international force for audiences in the States makes about as much sense as casting Matt Damon as the next Dr. Who.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 3:37 a.m. CST

    And you thought Transformers sucked?

    by Gkyluig

    Imagine the Autobots transforming into fuel-efficient hybrids--except for Optimus Prime, still a semi but with a speed-limiter installed to keep him under 55mph. Of course, all guns are replaced with neon green and orange water pistols. And Jazz and Starscream are star-crossed gay lovers.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Holy Hell: At least the NYTime's reporters do research

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Yeah, you're right. That Jayson Blair was SUCH the model for stellar reporting standards...

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Dear Paramount: This is the STUPIDEST FUCKING IDEA EVER

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Seriously, you would have to be the absolute, most severely mentally handicapped person ON THE PLANET not to realize that EVERYONE ELSE ON THE PLANET knows that "G.I. Joe" refers to, yes, the American soldier. And ONLY the American solider.<p>I would almost laugh over this if it wasn't so pitifully sad. The idea of making the name an acronym so you can now internationalize it, simply so you won't "offend" people overseas is truly the most fucking idiotic thing I've ever heard -- not to mention it all but spits on the memories and achievements of those who have proudly worn this country's uniform and served, particularly those of the WWII generation from whence the GI Joe name came and gained, yes, its international iconic status. You know, those same international people whose ASSES OUR TROOPS SAVED IN WWII.<p>Then again, why even rant about this? It's fucking Hollywood and I live and work here and hearing that some suit made a decision pulled this much out of his ass is only par for the course. Trust me, till you've actually lived and worked here, you truly have no idea how amazingly self-centered, back stabbing, money grubbing, creatively bankrupt and, yes, actually unpatriotic towards America the majority of buffoons who populate this town actually are...

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 4:45 a.m. CST

    The Fox report is just a rehash....

    by OswaldWasAPussy

    ...of another report saying the same thing, so take the Fox stigma off of it. If you want this movie done right, sign a petition to force Hasbro to take the film away from LDB. The only reason he has it is Paramount doesn't feel there is enough interest to warrant a Transformers level commitment of cash and don't want to lose their shirt. So, they farm it out to LDB to get the foreign investment cash and limit Paramount's financial risk. But foreign money means foreign investors demanding it play well in their markets as well as the US. Remove those competing interests and we have a better chance to have G.I. JOE be the movie we want it to be. Quit whining and get signing!

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 5:04 a.m. CST

    American hero?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    *sigh*

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 5:50 a.m. CST

    they should make it...with 12-13 year olds

    by CQuest

    a GI Joe movie done with kids on some Little Rascals type shit could be genius. THAT is the way they should go. that way, the man "white kid" can recruit other nerds like him, the international nerds to go against the evil cobra kids. they can even make the evil cobra leader turn out to be the next door neighbor blonde blue eyed girl that our duke had a crush on in the beginning. fuckin brilliant. im brilliant. im a genius. the idea is genius. therefore it wont be done.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 5:53 a.m. CST

    also for GI Joe Kids

    by CQuest

    and thruout the movie the other kids need to teach the Kid Duke about being tolerant, because see he was taught to be this big bad ass by his dad....a cameo by kurt russell towards the end. so the white kid gets put in his place and learns, but we still get the gi joe AMERICAN movie. that way everyone can love it.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 7:37 a.m. CST

    G.I JOE...or Action Force?

    by magnius

    Will they rename the movie "Action Force" in the UK? I remember that here in Britain we had a related off-shot featuring British only characters. We only knew of G.I Joe becuase they had a small G.I Joe strip in the Marvel "Action Force" comic series.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Oh...and one more thing

    by magnius

    I really do hope that G.I. Joe is a international organisastion with America a small...tiny part of it...no-one left on Earth sees America as saviours of the world...destroyers maybe...its a joke in todays political climate to make a movie which has the tone of "Never fear!! Americans are here!! We will save you all!!" Thats just bullshit!! Thanks to Bush and his religious crusade, Britain..and in fact the world is about 200% more dangerous!! And don't defend yourselves America...YOU RE-ELECTED THAT ASS!!!

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    I'm as left wing as they come...

    by RodneyOz

    ...and I'm not even American, yet even I think this is a really, really stupid idea. To whatever suit came up with this lame idea: the rest of the world associates GI Joe with America. It's a given. People who hate it for infantile anti-Americanism will do so regardless of how you tinker with the acronym. SO how's about you just grab a bunch of the comics, turn them into a screenplay, cast it well, and make a good movie? Rather than trying pathetic stuff like this that won't work anyway.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Laserpants, you are a FUCKING geek.

    by Bill Brasky

    How very Xtian of me?!?! Wake up and smell the shit that you are shoveling. Oh, and P.S., I am not offended by the fact that you hurl 'Xtian' around at anyone who disagrees with you (as you did with me on another board). I am offended by lengths of your laziness. You see, the religion that I loosely practice is called Christian, not Xtian. C'mon Laserpants, get off of the porn site, wipe the 'love' off of your little pudgy fingers and try typing four more keys when you attempt to debase someone. There you go...Christian.... What a fucking loser.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 8:38 a.m. CST

    "american" and "hero" don't mix

    by ironic_name

    and you lose your wars, you only helped a bit at the end of ww2, russia england and australia did the real work.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 8:47 a.m. CST

    am pretty sick of the

    by 13th Librarian

    beat off to pictures of noam chomsky moonbat liberals that rise up out of their sewers when fox news is listed as a source, they can't attack to the veracity of the article, or anything, but rant and rave like the insane children they are.. Fox news didn't forge documents to turn an election and pitch an official line that was against the truth, CNN runs media matters (leftist media watchdogs) rants as NEWS STORIES constantly, how is that impartial journalism, liberals have far more voice on fox than conservatives have on other media outlets, al franken and bill maher say just as nasty shit as ann coulter ever did, but see how the "professional" journalists treat them? they let politcal hacks like edwards send his wife to fight coulter in an ambush.. do any of you think msnbc would set up michael moore like that? fucking open your minds, believe it or not there are two sides to every argument (not that you'd know that watching the mainstream media) but you just shut out anything that doesn't follow your leftist politics..

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Will they call it "Action Force" in Europe?

    by RockLobster800

    Cos thats what I grew up calling it.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    HA HA HAHAHAHAH

    by Zebtron A. Rama

    Take that Americans! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST

    This is pathetic... You're all arguing over GI JOE.

    by ZeroCorpse

    I'm a geek, but I have my limits. That limit is equating ANYTHING having to do with GI Joe or other 1980s toy/cartoon/advertisements with some deep political meaning. <p> I mean seriously-- LOOK AT YOURSELVES. If you're getting worked up because the derrived movie version of a cartoon designed to sell toys isn't being politically correct or patriotic, you're a sad, sorry human being, and an embarrassment to me as an American. <p> It's a TOY AD stretched to a half an hour. That's all GI Joe ever was, and no matter how cool Destro, Snake Eyes, or Cobra Commander were, they were still just characterization designed to get your little mind working and spur you into spending your allowance on the cheap plastic crap that was made in Taiwan by kids your age earning pennies an hour. If you're going to spew crap about GI Joe being somehow disgraceful, then why not focus on the consumerism that made you pay attention in the first place. <p> You bunch of losers!<p> You're ever-so-slowly slipping below furries in the geek hierarchy, and I, for one, will not be a part of it.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    FOX HATES AMERICA

    by BringingSexyBack

    All you right-wingnuts can go shit on Fox now. Happy shitting.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 10:33 a.m. CST

    True Dat Zero!

    by Holy Hell

    I second the motion. Or third it, as I uttered similar sentiments earlier in the post. Knock it off people. Go for a walk, read a book, try to impress a girl (though that may take some time). It's GI Joe, if you care this much you need to seek out actual perspective. Though the 250 posts of hate lead me to believe that if the studio goes ahead with an international flava it will alienate the fan base, as idiotic as it is, to such a degree that the film will bomb. Who cares? I'm not a loser or an investor in Hollywood studios.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    G.I. JOE MUST BE AN AMERICAN HERO

    by BringingSexyBack

    This effort to internationalize Joe is just another step towards further globalization and diluting local, cultural identities. It's ridiculous. And things like Iraq, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, VietNam, have nothing to do with G.I. Joe. Joe represents an American ideal, for which real soldiers can aspire to. Real soldiers do sacrifice for our country and should be honored. Abu Ghraib gets the headlines, but there are many soldiers who serve honorably and dutifully. I will not watch this bastardized version of G.I. Joe and guarantee my family will not either.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    having known a former television news producer...

    by W3bzpinn3r

    It's got less to do with party lines than most would think. It's got mostly to do with only one thing: What will get people hooked to the program long enough to watch the advertisments (the source of REAL money). They take their left/right biases to appeal to that demographic.<p> The program director doesn't sit down with the news team and ask "How can we make Obama & Clinton look like the evil arse-licking scum they are?" but "How can we headline the story so people will sit thru the commercials, waiting to see what we say?"<p> News, like politics, isn't about ideals... nope... it's all about someone, somewhere, making a lot of money.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    GI Joe isn't an international icon....

    by W3bzpinn3r

    like Transformers was, and yet Bay made a "GO ARMY!" campaign out of that movie, and it still went over well internationally...<p> Maybe a "GO ARMY!" approach to a GI Joe movie would do well internationally, long as they have giant robots, huge tanks, and small 3rd world countries blowing up left and right....<p> I can see it now... Pakistan going up in flames as Duke stands atop a mountain screaming "YO JOE!" while holding an American Flag... yup... that'd sell!

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Come to think of it, the cartoon wasn't even jingoistic

    by SpencerTrilby

    it was the celebration of both the incompetence of COBRA and the lack of efficiency of the Joes. I mean, look at the opening intro of the 80's series: they're blasting an entire city, and Destro and Cobra Commander finally escape to fight another day... Talk about a political statement.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Laser Pants is Uninformed

    by NHRonin

    1. The U.S. never gave Saddam VX gas. They provided him with intelligence against Iran (who had just taken our hostages that they held for over a year). 2. All of Saddam's military equipment was either French or Soviet, not American. 3. The U.S. never funded Osama Bin Laden. The CIA provided support to the Afghanistan rebels fighting the Soviets in the 80s. Osama was there but he's rich enough to have not needed America's support. Anymore bullshit moonbat facts you'd like me to debunk? (All of the true facts are readily available on legitimate websites....not the consipiracy bullshit ones you apparently subscribe to.)

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Transformers and the U.S. Military

    by NHRonin

    One of the best moves Bay made was making the U.S. military look like the well-trained disciplined organization that overall they are. Yes, there were lapses like Abu Ghraib (which was humiliation, not torture) but by and large, the vast majority serving believe in duty, honor and country and the ideas America was founded on. G.I. Joe could be another great example.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    mel gibson as serpentor

    by ironic_name

    cobralalalallalallalalalallalalaalalala!

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    absolutely stupid

    by darkslab

    as if this movie wasn't already going in the shitter, now they are gutting its core values and theme? since when does political climate effect the status of ones honor and heroism? how can an American company actually feel that AMERICA won't accept an exceptinal soldier. that is the biggest load of goat shit I have ever heard. I'd like to see a FOX executive in a goddamn fox hole, and see how "heroic" he can be when the shit hits the fan.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    not so bad

    by The3rdMan

    I'm i the only one who thinks that the old school G I Joe wouldn't fly politically in this day and age? In general it's just the wrong time for a really well done G I Joe movie. The compromise they're making isn't horrendous. Instead of our boys being just for America, FUCK YEAH! they're fighting for the world. This makes sense for the toy line and the film companies. Everyone can join in. But most people will say the most hateful shit about this. so chillax

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    wow Anchorite

    by The3rdMan

    case and point

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    kim jong il

    by ironic_name

    invades america, kills thousands, n.k. kiiiiiiim!!!!

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    might be cool

    by Darth Scourge

    I had the GI Joe figures & comics as a kid... some of the Action Force stuff too... same stuff, different name. Man, I remember Megaforce too... "a phantom army of super elite fighting men whose weapons are the most powerful science can devise". :D

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Christ

    by Holy Hell

    Achorite, do you just shout an argument in order to have one? Do you care at all about the intellectual integrity of your positions? And it's not just you, the lefty gasbags on this site are often just as polemic and childish. It's amazing that this story about a cartoon has crumbled into an argument between ideological poles. Leftist ideology had nothing to do with this decision. Jesus, it's GI frickin Joe. This decision was made by bean counters in Hollywood who know that the international market can mean as much, or even more, to their box office receipts than the domestic one these days. It is certainly true enough to say regardless of your political persuasion, that America is going through a period of pretty low affection from the rest of the world. That's it. And how you use Osama Bin Laden citing Noam Chomsky as evidence that those who entertain challenges to American use of power in certain current situations, like the war in Iraq and on terror, are fighting as the enemy in some ideological war is just plain stupid. Very stupid. Just as stupid as lefties who rail against all American behavior without rational thought. It's time those who think the debate is between left and right go drown themselves in the river. The debate is between those willing to think and be creative and those who don't even know what that means. All of you, left or right, either wise the fuck up and try to honor intelligence or kindly swallow silverware.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    ...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Ok, first off, this is a stupid idea. There is nothing wrong with portraying Americans as heroes. Period. Do I think this decision was made because Hollywood is run by filthy, America-hating, liberal pussy faggot Jews? No. It was done so a bunch of greedy Wall Street fucks who don't know shit about movies OR G.I Joe could try to make more money overseas when this movie is distributed internationally. That's all. The problem with Hollywood is that the people who MAKE movies view them as art...even if it's just pop-art...and the people who PAY for movies view them as PRODUCT. So it IS a stupid idea, because, for the most part, this is pretty much a product that is only going to be a success in America no matter what. Moving on...at this point I should probably state that I am extremely liberal, think the Bush administration is probably the worst of the last 100 years, have disagreed with our invasion of Iraq from the start, and absolutely hate the ignorant fucks who stereotype all liberals as faggot pussies who hate America. And there are plenty of them on this board. I ALSO hate all the ignorant fucks who stereotype all conservatives as neo-cons, crooks, closeted homosexuals, etc. Plenty of them, too. It's the constant, blanket generalizations, people, that make it impossible to have a serious, thoughtful debate about anything political. Not all "conservatives" are evil. Just some of them...and usually they aren't really all that conservative. And not all liberals hate America or love Noam Chomsky or Cindy Sheehan. I happen to like neither. That said, Magnius, fuck you. The British government has done plenty of stupid, ghastly shit, too--both historically AND recently--and I don't hear anybody crying about a British hero like James Bond not being believable because British heroes aren't realistic. I mean, I fucking LOVE James Bond, and the fact that Tony Blair put the "p" in "pussy" the way he followed our "ass" of a President around, hoping for a cut of the Iraq war profits and maybe, just maybe getting a reacharound while Bush fucked him in the ass doesn't lessen the appeal of 007 to me. Hey, maybe 007 can have a big adventure in India? That would be awesome. I bet they fucking love James Bond and all the other British heroes there. Oh, and then his NEXT movie could be set in Northern Ireland. Listen, asshole, just because we have a fucking criminal in the White House doesn't mean that the IDEALS upon which America was founded are any less valid. And, maybe, if you would put down the tea and crumpets for just a tic and do a little digging on the net, you would realize that there is an overwhelming mountain of evidence that Bush wasn't really re-elected at all...the election was stolen thanks to the efforts of numerous parties who are responsible for committing massive election fraud in the key, "battleground" state of Ohio. Start with the Rolling Stone article written by Bobby Kennedy, Jr. I can "defend" myself as an American all I want, you dumb fuck, because I didn't vote for Bush, I tried to get other peple to not vote for him, I exercise my right to freedom of speech by speaking out against him on a regular basis--including in print via the comic books I write--and I support politicians who run against him and his ilk via donations and grassroots campaigning. So, as a liberal who LOVES America...not the current American government, but the nation itself--loves its potential, its ideals, its diversity, its generosity--fuck you, you limey bitch. Go get your teeth fixed and enjoy your spotted dick.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Pretty nice job there, jack.

    by Holy Hell

    Pretty nice job there, jack. If you'd left off the stolen election part some of the super-cons on the talk back might even remember your more salient and uncontroversial points. You did good, though.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Holy Hell

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Well, I just calls 'em like I sees 'em.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    And for the record...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I really don't have anything against the Brits. I mean, there's plenty to make fun of us about...Nascar, Larry the Cable Guy, Paris/Brittney/Lindsay...we're a bunch of fucking fat-asses...many of us are functional illiterates...I could go on and on. Plus, the Metric system makes a lot more sense. And you gave us the Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Alan Moore, The Who, Hammer horror films, Sacha Baron Cohen, Sienna Miller...all kinds of great shit. But you do have fucked up teeth, and--straight or gay--I would NEVER put something called "spotted dick" in my mouth, no matter how good you tell me it tastes.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Hahahahaha

    by Harold The Great

    You americans are a funny lot. Love the amount of the words "traitor" "lefty" "flag waver" in this talkback. All you need are some cheerleaders for both parties, and then your political conversations will have the depth of a regular sports debate.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    G.I. Joe was shit compared to Action Force

    by SD Canis

    G.I.Joe sounds like the lost village person, "Yo Joe" is the most stupid and embarrassing battlecry ever. My childhood was raped when they stopped the Action Force brand and all the characters became American. What goes around comes around.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Let's face facts...

    by Gozu

    I need a copy of "Megaforce." Right now.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Re: Let's face facts...

    by SD Canis

    and I'm sure the fact that America supported Saddam attacking Iran and number of casualties that war caused have been completely forgotten by the Iranians.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST

    krack

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    "The United States' entire islamic terrorist problem today is a direct effect of Jimmy Carter's refusal to support the Shah of Iran at the beginning of (and prior to) the Iranian Revolution." Really? The ENTIRE islamic terrorist problem today? So NO ONE hates us because we support Israel? NO ONE hates us because of our increased presence in the region after the first Gulf War (not even Osama Bin Laden, who SAID that's why he hates us)? NO ONE hates us because of our presence in Iraq now? NO ONE hates us because we played both sides in the Iran/Iraq war? Shit...I could go on all fucking day about all the reasons no one hates us. Read a book.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Doh! Just use the Adventure Team

    by matineer

    That's how they got around the mlitarism problem back in the 70's, Joe went on adrenalin pumping adventures. But the people involved probably never heard of this or even saw such a GIJOE.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    And, please...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Explain in a bit more detail why Carter was the worst President ever, and while you're at it, please use compare/contrast with regard to Reagan, W., etc. Be sure to mention how the world is MORE dangerous without the Soviet Union (lots of missing nukes...totally evil president...remember when the concept of mutually assured destruction was actually valid?), without Saddam Hussein (the only motherfucker who was enough of a hardass to keep all the fucking religious nuts in Iraq from killing each other and dragging the rest of the region into it), and WITH us in Iraq. Also, talk about how Bush's little Axis Of Evil speeches encouraged Iran and N. Korea to fast track their nuclear ambitions when mentioning how Bush is better than Carter. You could also talk about how Bush and co. are completely full of shit in their Iran warmongering when they say the Iranians would love for the fight in Iraq to grow into a regional conflict, since they are a Shia regime floating in an ocean of fucking Sunnis. Keep all those things in mind when discussing how Carter is the worst president ever. You might want to mention New Orleans, while you're at it...heard the cleanup down there is going fucking GREAT! And don't forget all the war profiteering! Look forward to reading your report!

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST

    you know...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I wasn't going to resort to name-calling with you, Krack, but then I reread this: "40% of this country will not be satisfied until there is another terrorist attack within the borders of the United States"...God, I just can't help myself. Do you really believe that 40% of Americans WANT other Americans to be KILLED in terrorist attacks? You think that 40% of us are that evil...that we want OTHER, INNOCENT AMERICAN CIVILIANS LIKE US TO FUCKING DIE TO PROVE SOME POINT?!?! 40% of us? Four out of every ten people? Are you fucking KIDDING? Or are you just totally out of your fucking mind? Fuck you, asshole, you stupid, stupid piece of shit. It amazes me that you are even able to function on a day-to-day basis if you are truly that fucking dumb. I hope you're fucking sterile, because it would be a fucking nightmare if you were to procreate. People like you almost make me ashamed to be American. Almost.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    You dumb fuck

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    First of all, I never said I was a pacifist. I totally support going to war when it is NECESSARY. Second, did Iraq sponsor terrorist acts against the US? Remind me when that happened.Third, YOUR ignorance is palpable: The Iranian people DO hate their leadership...and the only time in the last several years they rallied around it was when they thought we were going to come to their country and bomb it back to the fucking stone age like we did in Iraq. They were SCARED, so they looked to their crazy fucking warmongering, religious fanatic leader for the answers. Sound familiar? Ahmedinejad's (sic?) regime is extremely unpoular with a huge portion of the population, because: 1. He has let his country's infrastructure go to shit, since all he spends money on is the military, and 2. His attempts to legislate the more extreme teachings of the Koran are very unpopular among the more moderate youth, especially in Tehran. He is supported in his own country only by the religious nuts who supported him from the start. You, sir, wear your ignorance like a medal.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    ass krack

    by Holy Hell

    You ask us to "face facts" and then you spout some arbitrary "40%" nonsense about attack-CRAVING Americans? You, sir, are a first-rate douche bag. If 4% of Americans actually wish for another 9/11 I would be stunned. Please dunk your head in a bucket of syrupy dog puke and inhale deeply. Stop saying shit if you can't back it up. Jesus Christ, you are a mindless, soulless, skid mark of a fuck. I wish you all the best. Please, get well soon.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    also, retard,

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    explain how "ruthless military action" involving EXTREME collateral damage to a civilian population (i.e. Iraq) has EVER made someone hate the "problem causers" more than they hate us. Explain to me how "If you don't get new leadership, we're going to kill every last one of you motherfuckers" sounds like a good deal? Because when people say that to ME, people like Osama Bin Laden, my gut reaction is "Why don't you come here and try to make me fuckface."

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Jesus...I need to get off the computer...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    ...because I just can't stop talking shit to you. You have the fucking balls to call ANYONE ignorant, when THIS is YOUR understanding of history? "The Japanese surrendered in two weeks after we dropped the first bomb. You know why? Because the country's civilian populace feared the United States military more than it feared it's own government/military/police." WRONG, dipshit. Again I say read a fucking book. Or go rent a movie if reading is too hard for you...I recommend "The Fog of War". Japan had ALREADY lost the war when we dropped the Bomb. The vast majority of their cities were still composed of wooden buildings that we had burned to the ground with our conventional incendiary bombs. I repeat: WE HAD ALREADY BURNED THEIR FUCKING COUNTRY TO THE GROUND. They had already lost, and their surrender had NOTHING to do with them fearing us more than they feared their own government...which they probably didn't fear at all because it wasn't a cray, murderous regime like Hussein's, Pol Pot's, etc. If they feared their own government so much and were just looking for a way out, explain why so many of them found no greater honor than to fly a fucking plane into one of our boats and die for their country in order to kill us? It wasn't religious fanaticism...it was PATRIOTISM. The Bomb, jackass, was just a slap in the face. And, more importantly, it was a MESSAGE to any potential enemies we might have to face in the future. "Look what WE have, fuckers."

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Also wrong is this bullshit:

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    "You know why, because they feared us and we installed leadership in those countries that said to their people, 'We have to cut this violent bullshit out, or we're all going to be dead.'" 1. I could argue...with A LOT of evidence to back me up...that the Germans feared the Russians a lot more than they feared us. 2. Both those coutries were aggressors in widespread conventional wars...they had convential armies that we were able to engage in conventional warfare. 3. We had a real coalition behind us in WWII, just like we did in the first Gulf War...other badass countries that would help us to fuck shit up if things got out of hand again and assholes started misbehaving. We didn't have to fight a widespread insurgency in those coutries because we had already beaten them down abroad and at home since they had fully committed to war. They COULDN'T fight us and our allies. They wouldn't have stood a chance. And the world was okay with us treating them like target practice because THEY HAD TRIED TO FUCKING CONQUER IT. Germany, twice. Ever hear of the Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere? READ. A. BOOK. There is no real analogy between the surrent situation and WWII, as much as many neo-cons wish there was. The only things they have in common are that Americans are killing people and being killed themselves. The similarities end there.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Execs version of GI JOE = MINORITEAM

    by Violator90

    Every one knows from this summer's parade of summer fuck up films that Hollywood will just take a giant dump on any thing and every thing that has a huge following of loyal fans. Spidey was just so painful to watch, Fantastic 4 made me gave me diarrhea, and Transformers made my want to claw out my eyes and have acid poured in my ears to stop hearing the shit spewing from that cinematic torture fest. Now GI Joe is goint to get the same rape treatment?! Fuck that! Just make the MINORITEAM movie, that way EVERYONE is in cluded and no one will get mad at America. Serious Hollywood, how retarded are you guys?!?!? I gurantee you that a quadropligic drunk blind monkey would do a much better job than you fucking inbred mongoloids have been donig for years!! So STOP FUCKING UP!

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    OK...where are you getting

    by Holy Hell

    OK...where are you getting 40% from? Why don't you admit that you made it up from some cursory reading of the country as 40% "liberal" so I can move on. Hell, I might move on anyway. Not in a "dot org" sort of way, though.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Krack is a fucking moron who hates America

    by BringingSexyBack

    You need a one-way ticket to Putin's Russia.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    krack

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Ok, I will say that I do respect the thought you gave to each of your "answers", however, I could argue against each of your points with relative ease. The things you list as evidence of Carter being the "worst"...those things might seem worse to you than anything any President has ever done, but they don't to me. Bad, yes. The worst? No. How about tax cuts for the rich during a time of war? What about all the war profiteering that has not only been allowed, but encouraged (charging our taxpayers for 43,000 meals served to the troops in one instance, when only 14,000 had actually been served...and many of those had rotten meat and canned goods that had expired a year before)? There's the environment, of course. Stem cell research. The invasion of a sovereign nation that was not a threat to us, thus creating a breeding ground for the next generation of terrorists. The failure to listen to intelligence in the months leading up to 9/11 that warned of Bin Laden's plan to attack inside the US, and the subsequent outsourcing of the Bin Laden manhunt to foreign warlords. Treating our National Guard like its an expeditionary force so that when disaster strikes at home there's no one to deal with it (tornados in Kansas, flooding in Texas, Katrina, storms in the Midwest, etc.). Allowing Afghanistan to fall back into chaos...and good portions of it to fall into the clutches of the Taliban. The legalization of torture. The politicizing of the Justice Dept. The illegal wiretapping of American citizens. Tax breaks for corporations who outsource jobs. Widespread election fraud. The cetralization of power in the executive branch and the eradication of checks and balances. Refusing to make any serious policy changes in a blatantly unsuccessful military operation in order to hand it off to the next President and blame them for its ultimate failure, all while more Americans die every day. I can go on like this for a long time...but, yeah, all those things you listed for Carter are kind of bad...so this is probably a wash, opinion being opinion and such. Agree to disagree. The USSR? Sorry, but I DO think the world was less dangerous for us when our greatest "enemy" was a secular super-power that was just as worried about us blowing them to hell as vice versa. Iran and N. Korea...yeah, I kind of DO believe that they learned a lesson from our invasion of Iraq: If you DON'T have nuclear weapons, there's nothing to stop the George Bush war machine from coming to your country and fucking your shit up. The Katrina thing...shit, I could go on forever. Ignoring the fact that there us VIDEO of Bush being warned about exactly what could occur and then doing nothing, ignoring the fact that he placed a crony in a very important position, ignoring the fact that he failed to mobilize the national guard at the Governor's request and then LIED about that request, saying it never came, I love how you fall back on the ignorant position that it's really all the fault of the people who were warned and did nothing. The POOR fucking people with no money and no transportation and no way to get out except on foot. Yeah, it's their fault. Sure, the govenrment of New Orleans has been corrupt for a very long time. And under BOTH parties, nothing has been done to strengthen the infrastructure there, despite countless warnings. That doesn't make Bush's total failure as a leader any less monumental. Again, you are totally ignorant. " - which is completely understandable because that has been a city of people existing on (and waiting for) handouts for most of its modern existence." I rest my case. Despite any history whatsoever of the alleged abuse of social programs, in a civilized country, in an emergency, the citizens of that nation should be able to both count on and expect handouts from the government. That's one of the reasons it is there. One of the reasons why we pay for it. Asshole.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    That would be Krack AND Jeff Gannon

    by BringingSexyBack

    Jeff licks the anus while Krack tickles the taint.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST

    RIGHT-WING TALKING POINT ALERT: CARTER NO LONGER WORST

    by BringingSexyBack

    Millard Fillmore is officially the worst President. Please revise your talking point lists. Thank you.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Theres a difference between news and opinion

    by unrulyappendage

    " But in comparing the flagship organizations, if you will, of LEFT vs RIGHT (NYTimes vs. FoxNews) it is clear that there is more RIGOR in the journalism of the Times than in the ranting of Bill O'Reilley. " Fox has a news division and then their editorial division. The NYT has become all editorial. There isn't much slant in reporting how the name will be different for GI Joe.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    krack

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Attacking a country for no reason other than the fact that rebuilding it will be extremely profitable is not conservative. It's just fucking EVIL. So if you're saying that 40% of the country is not evil...I'm okay with that. I wish the number were a LITTLE higher, but...

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    New York Times is not Liberal

    by BringingSexyBack

    They were one of the staunchest cheerleaders of the Iraq invasion, with Judith Miller, a NeoCon mole, amongst their staff. Right-wingnuts don't even read the NYT, how would they know if it was Left or Right?

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Jackson was pretty bad.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    and...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Johnson and Nixon were nothing to write home about, either.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 5:23 p.m. CST

    George Washington was a traitor, too

    by BringingSexyBack

    Depends on your point of view.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 5:25 p.m. CST

    I wish there were a Gore/Hagel ticket

    by BringingSexyBack

    Wouldn't that be great?

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Chuck Hagel is a true Conservative

    by BringingSexyBack

    He's one Republican I would totally vote for in a Presidential election.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    "Truth, Justice... and all that stuff."

    by Strelnikov!

    Cowardly executives are doing this for the same reason Superman no longer stands for "The American Way." Because they can't make MONEY off of patriotism. If you kick our country while it's down you get a pat on the head. Wave a flag and you're a fascist.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Krack

    by DeeJay

    Krack... to address your first post directed towards me, the term "international" is incredibly broad and fairly ambiguous (and therefore not very useful in criticizing Hasbro & Paramount's designs). In fact, by definition, it already applies to almost every version of the GI Joe toy beginning in the 60’s. Additionally, as primary filming has not begun for this movie, it's all but pointless to make assumptions as to how the script will eventually turn out. With that, I can only hope that you’re young (and simply aggravated by my "300" joke), as opposed to being very, very lonely. A lonely person might instigate arguments where they subsequently have to resort to fabricating statistics, unapologetically impugn the humanity of nearly 120 million U.S. citizens, besmirch a Nobel prize winner, and generally lower the intelligence of a collective dialog. You’re a real person, yet you’re ranting and raving in the same manner as Annakin Skywalker in "The Phantom Menace." Whatever the case, congratulations on making sure the misinformation campaign continues, and that the conversation has digressed.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Right-wingnuts are so sensitive

    by BringingSexyBack

    Grow thicker skin.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Correction...

    by DeeJay

    ... Krack does not rant as an upset child, but as Annakin Skywalker in "Revenge of the Sith" (e.g. someone gone mad).

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    You see? I was right.

    by llac12

    And some of you fools tried to wish this "problem" away like it wasn´t a valid point. Eat crow, you twats.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Change it to Gay International Joe just to piss off Fox

    by Darth_Inedible

    Seriously guys I hate Fox News more than I love America. Fox needs to be burned to the ground for daring to report anything that contradicts my precious worldview.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Wow... That Was QUICK

    by DeeJay

    Well, you're not the town elder, as I've got you by at least a few years. However, suffice to say I agree that you're older than many who frequent this site. If you've spent some of that time abroad, I'm sure you're already aware that your earlier assertion of the United States being at "the center of the world" and your 40% citation are easily as consistent with living in "Fantasyland" as any other. Beyond that, you're not the only one who knows people from New Orleans, and its worth stating that there were many hard-working and decent people who were dislocated (if not killed) in that tragedy. Way to keep insulting broad groups of people, though. You’ve insulted most of an internet community (AICN) *and* a major city (New Orleans) in less than a day. What do you do for a living? Put on face paint and sit in a dunk tank, perhaps? By the way... the 2 links you previously posted don't work.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 8 p.m. CST

    Unruly Appendage

    by Holy Hell

    Control your schlong. I do not think you honestly analyzed the ways in which NYTimes reporting and the reporting of Fox News differs. The journalism put forth in any organization often conforms to the priorities of its editors. This is true of Fox and the NYTimes in equal measure. I've never posited otherwise. The journalistic rigor is better in the NYTImes. That is to say, the stories are told in a way that appreciates the complexity, context, and subtelty MORE than stories relayed on Fox News, or, it should be noted, MSNBC (an outlet accused of liberal bias). Just because two organizations have balanced, identifiable, editorial positions (left vs. right) IT DOES NOT FOLLOW that the quality of the journalism is even. But again, don't take my word for it, actually compare outlets. See for yourself. If you're man enough and not just a childish shit-heel with irrational pride in a identity based upon ideological inheritance rather than critical reflection. And I never spoke to Fox's approach to this particular story (the GI JOE acronym); the post you quoted was part of a general discussion about news bias. And I am a Hagel-loving independent, so bone-headed whining about "Anti-American Liberalism" is inapplicable.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    DAMN

    by darkslab

    Double damn. . . can we get back on topic? The problem with this movie is they are stripping America from it, the same way they did Superman (in Returns) It was a key ingredient that was gutted from his character, and the same thing is happening to Joe. This is what happens when you bargainf or "mindless entertainment" because every movie has an agenda, a message, and turning your brain off while watching is like turning your back on gas leak, while cooking. The companies are more intersted in making American heroes more politically and "worldly" accepted. They don't make movies for "us", they make it for everyone, which usually results in gutted, stripped, dry characters that never quite feel right. this is simply a stupid move. Make movies for America studios, not the damn world.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Krack

    by Holy Hell

    Sorry, I'm just catching up with the posts... I think your 40% is still off, which is fine if you identify it as hyperbole. The irony was in it being coupled with your tone of no-nonsense "fact-facing" with which it was offered. As stated, I'm an Independent, which means I think for myself. I arrive at conclusions based upon conversing with newspapers, friends, co-workers, talk-backers, etc. I was NEVER behind the Iraq war. It always smelled either fishy or just plain illogical to me. I suppose that puts me in your forty percent. If IRAQ attacked America, I would expect my government to react with appropriate force. If we were to be attacked now, by Al Queda or some other organization, it would certainly NOT become OK with me to be in the war we are now in. I just don't understand your reasoning. The strangeness of the initial invasion of Iraq was that Iraq had NOT attacked us. Powell's "powerful" presentation at the UN where he revealed "smoking-gun" photographs of weapons plants seemed terribly weak to me. It was a very bad idea, and pulled off very poorly. No future attack would lead me to believe otherwise, and I would challenge you to tell me why it should.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Darkslab...

    by DeeJay

    ... unfortunately, this movie is still in the infancy stage, and much of this discussion assumes things that may or may not happen (or *have* happened) with its production. We don't even know how many versions of a script the producers will have contracted before all is said and done. Regarding "Superman Returns"... while they changed the entire "Jewish immigrant in the United States" to "Jesus figure come back," I would venture to say that either approach would've opened them up to a barrage of criticism. Maybe there’s a lesson in this, for fanboys? Perhaps contributing to such a no-win scenario does not work in the fanboys' favor. Perhaps fanboys should keep this in mind, as it relates to "GI Joe."

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Ace of Wands - How about some facts

    by NHRonin

    So what exactly did Rumsfeld (who I despise for his incompetence and arrogance) give to Saddam if it wasn't intelligence? Why was the majority of Saddam's military equipment Soviet and French? Please back up your facts with real sources. ------- As for Iraq, it wasn't a mistake to go in, WMD excuse or not. Saddam had not abided by the Gulf War cease-fire for over ten years. If England and France had had the balls to force Germany to abide by the Treaty of Versaille, then Hitler may not have been able to start WW2. The big problem with Iraq was the lack of a coherent plan after the Iraqi military was beaten and that I blame on Bush and Dumsfeld.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    This is terrible

    by Mattyboy122

    I missed the GI Joe boat as a youngster, but changing GI Joe to appeal more to an international market is not only ridiculous, it's wildly hypocritical. "Yeah, let's shift the focus from American capitalists, which we think the world hates, so we can make more money." Yeah, that's just great. Anyway, I do think that GI Joe would be somewhat difficult to pull off in a straight adaptation today, but I also think that the overwhelming majority of the world don't hate Americans; they hate the American leadership. And I think there's no problem with that. Our leadership could have certainly made wiser decisions, but your average soldier in Iraq isn't some war-junkie; he's probably a kid from a poor family who wants a college education, and there's nothing wrong with that. I guess what I'm trying to say is that your average American soldier isn't a bad guy; your average American politician (left or right) is weak-kneed and/or bought by special interests. It's a sad state of affairs when our soldiers are seen as the bad guys while the politicians making the decisions sometimes get a pass.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Ace of Wands - Read a book.

    by Strelnikov!

    "Japan had surrendered before the first bomb was dropped." Um...no. On July 26, 1945 the UK, USA and China issued the Postdam Ultimatum demanding "unconditional surrender of all Japanese armed forces" or face "prompt and utter destruction". On July 28 Japan rejected it. On August 6 we bombed Hiroshima. Afterwards, Truman again called for Japan to surrender. The allies even dropped leaflets on Japan. Still no surrender came, so the Soviets invaded Japan-occupied Manchuria and on August 9 we dropped Fat Man. They did not surrender until after the second bombing. That means, Ace of Wands, that you have destroyed your own credibility.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    G.I. JOE is not a hero. It's a damned toy, clowns.

    by Bronx Cheer

    Oooo,but he represents heroism..blah blah blah. It's a fucking toy. And all you douchebags who whine about Them fucking with your childhood... you played with those little tiny shitty GI Joe dolls. When I was a kid, Viet Nam was the bestest shit on TV, and we had massive GI Joes. So take your puny miniJoe memories out of my house, and your Hasbro hero worship as well, and know the truth.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Can I Offer a "Cease Fire," for All Our Sakes?

    by DeeJay

    Krack... before coming out with your wild assertions, please do something along the lines of reading some of the public documents supplied by RAND. Were there a second successful attack on U.S. soil (during the early stages of an election cycle), the dominant shared reactions of +300 million citizens couldn't simply be conjectured by someone on AICN. We get the point... you refuse to change your mind. Now, would you please stop emotionally abusing the concepts of logic and expertise?

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Krack, quit smoking yourself.

    by Bronx Cheer

    You are wrong.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Most of the money for these films comes from overseas..

    by Bong

    HAve to adapt for the global audience...sorry...

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST

    I'm not too fond of America at the moment either...

    by Johnno

    But you can't do this to G.I. Joe motherfuckers!!!! I hope this is false!

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST

    G.I. Joe - A Real AMERICAN Hero.

    by GibsonUSA

    Yeah yeah yeah, I can see how the image of U.S. isn't very great right now, but G.I Joe is All American. Changing that is like putting flames on Optimus or something.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    I see that the "It's only a toyline!" argument returns

    by GibsonUSA

    Just like with Transformers. Why use this argument as a basis for lowering standards? Its retarded.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Krack

    by Holy Hell

    I both hope your conjecture would be found untrue (I think the twisting of fear and grief over another terrorism attack into blind support for an invasion of just "any" Muslim country would serve the country's interests terribly well) and predict it would be found untrue. And it'll probably happen, so we'll see. I think that Americans have allowed their grief to be hijacked by an administration and directed toward a pretty unrelated military adventure once already, and many won't let it happen again. Some would, of course, but I think you're selling some people a bit short. It's sort of like after 9/11 NO ONE will assume an airline hijacker will land the plane safely and make demands. We'll just assume the crazy fucker wants to fuck up American piece of mind by beheading the Lincoln memorial. ALOT MORE people will be vigilant about any politician co-opting our pain for suspicious reasons. I hope and pray.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Dreadnoks now Canadians.

    by jimbojones123

    But not just the standard Canadian. French Canadians. And instead of living in the swamp, they play hockey. <P> Okay, I can't even go on with this. What a stupid freaking idea.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 10:11 p.m. CST

    I think the argument is not

    by Holy Hell

    I think the argument is not that the "toyness" of Joe ipso-facto lessens the property's "real" value, but that it was created, or at least recreated in the 80's, as a commercial venture. The cartoons were produced to capture the imaginations of kids and cause them to buy the action figures and lunch boxes and bathrobes and shit. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that (maybe), but that some devotional Joe fanboys are lamenting the sacred, immutable integrity of the GI Joe universe being so cavalierly changed by the studio for whatever reason smacks of either hypocricy or ignorance. It was commercial then; it's commercial now. The market has changed.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 10:18 p.m. CST

    It really just shocks some

    by Holy Hell

    It really just shocks some of us that the GI Joe universe, the fucking "Yo Joe!" mythology, would be such an important central structure for some people. That's just scary. Really, honestly, how does that not make you concerned for these people's potential for living a decent life? Anyone who freaks out over the GIJOE acronym shifting but isn't concerned about actual human bloodletting in Iraq, Darfur, North Philadelphia, etc. is a very, VERY chaotically prioritized mother fucker.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Look, I'm familiar with the

    by Holy Hell

    Look, I'm familiar with the comics. If you want to judge them as "great literature" I guess I won't stop you. I think it's silly but it's a free country. The truth is that most of those bitching about the change are bitching about the change from the cartoons, not from your beloved comics. And those who are bitching about altering the sacred comics never bitched about how the comics (not-for-profit labors of love, of course) were soured into half-hour animated commercials for toys and lunchboxes. Whatever, I just think its silly for people to give so much of a fuck.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Well, Krack, because by

    by Holy Hell

    Well, Krack, because by naming it GI JOE they are probably going to get millions of people in the theater, even if the property is dramatically changed. Just like Masters of the Universe, which was very profitable, or fucking Transformers. I just realized you answered your own question. Your struggle seems to be with the cynical nature of this whole proft-making machine. Well, that's what it is. Sometimes it tosses out a cool flick, most of the time not. C'est la vie.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST

    I was pissed about Singer's

    by Holy Hell

    I was pissed about Singer's Superman, not because it changed the myth but because it didn't change it well enough. These stories always need to be re-created, because we are different in alot of ways now than when we were kids. The world throws different challenges and tensons at us, and these stories need to be relevant in order to be resonant.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST

    I'm 29. I like He-Man,

    by Holy Hell

    I'm 29. I like He-Man, Superman, Transformers, Joe, Batman, NOW comics (esp. Terminator), girls, X-Men, Spawn, older girls, Lord of the Rings, Shakespeare, college girls, Fargo, Wes Anderson movies, James Joyce, David Foster Wallace, Michael Chabon, my wife, David Mitchell, Syriana, Children of Men, and mine and my wife's unborn child, in that chronological order. I like that the NFL season started today, too.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 10:42 p.m. CST

    ALMOST never. No argument

    by Holy Hell

    ALMOST never. No argument here. Maybe they'll get it right this time.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Because Superman Returns is...

    by Boober

    a Vanilla spin on the Donner original, and a subpar rehash at that, no matter what kind of spit and polish you use.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Are you not counting X-Men 1

    by Holy Hell

    Are you not counting X-Men 1 & 2, Spidey 2, and Batman Begins because their too close to the source material? The proximity of a re-telling to the source material is not necessarily an indicator of how successful the re-telling will be. One example would be The Iron Giant, which was very loosely based upon a short story Ted Hughes wrote in the sixties. The film is heartfelt and competently told. Thus, successful retelling. Alfonso Cuaron's A Little Princess is another, as is his Children of Men. Ridley Scott's Blade Runner.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Well, because I wasn't

    by Holy Hell

    Well, because I wasn't disappointented with Superman Returns BEFORE I saw it. I knew the narrative was departing from the dominant myth, but I didn't care. All I cared about was that the central themes of the new telling would feel right and would resonate. And it almost did; they ALMOST pulled it off.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST

    The issue is really one of

    by Holy Hell

    The issue is really one of fundamentalism, the idea that things, stories and traditions, usually, can't change. I believe they HAVE to change. The character, shape, tone, challenges, tensions, size, and conflicts of civilization keep changing. If our stories don't they just don't keep up.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11 p.m. CST

    Oh, and the Gene Wilder

    by Holy Hell

    Oh, and the Gene Wilder Willy Wonka film is far more successful, and more removed, from the original Roald Dahl book than the more recent Burton version. I'm sure there ar more examples...

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Krack & Holy H

    by DeeJay

    Krack... you're right. You "can" conjecture. It's just that your conjecture is not to be taken seriously. Do you have a PhD? If not, then you aren't qualified to dismiss the bulk of RAND research as "theoretical BS." You can do it, of course--- but you have as much a place doing so as you would have performing an organ transplant. How you feel comfortable assuming the thinking patterns of +300 million people (approximately 40% of which you've dismissed in the last 24 hours) is beyond me. If you're so skilled at reading people, I seriously hope that you work on Madison Avenue by day, and play cards in Atlantic City by night. Otherwise, you're like a psychic who tells a person which lottery numbers to play, yet you haven't hit the jackpot yourself. By the way... in an earlier argument, you drew an analogy between the standards for the Nobel Prize and the Academy Awards. As the one consistent trait among all Academy Award winners (in the last decade, at least) is that they've been for "successful" films. By your rationale, in order to be a Nobel laureate President Carter had to have been successful in the realm of politics. So, either your analogy was incorrect, or your assessment of the Carter administration was wrong. Is it safe to assume that you'll never agree to the later? Is it also safe to say that you’d much rather argue on AICN than take the time to read-up on the issues you seemingly feel so strongly about :-) Holy H... is it not interesting that there was no outrage when a storyline GI Joe character--- Sgt. Slaughter--- joined the side of a real-life national enemy (Iran, at the time), but the mere suggestion of international cooperation is sacrilege? I guess that this shows how passion follows presentation, and not necessarily substance. Unfortunately, the causes you mentioned (save Iraq) are still in need of better bloggers.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:06 p.m. CST

    GI JOE

    by GT48215

    This is the result of two things marketing assholes and the boomers trying once again to push koombyah on the X'ers. You read the reviews of all the critics crying about the pro-military theme of transformers. The Boomers realize that they are heading for cultural retirement and the reins are being passed over to a generation that cares less for their values. That you have studios that need to create movies for a international box office just so they can be profitable, with world events as they are they wonder how a pro-military film will go over seas. I say FUCK the international box office and made a film for US only, just slash the budget and do not cast well known actors that will beed overblown budgets. As a result they are going to create a steaming pile of shit.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Bedtime for me; all you

    by Holy Hell

    Bedtime for me; all you crazies get well soon.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Krack

    by DeeJay

    To have a valid perspective on issues of government beauracracy, security networks and whatever else you worked on, yes. To dismiss international policy experts (in the case that you did not work in that milieu), no. Serious question... are you *really* the same person who was posting as Krack yesterday? The tone of your messages are much more fair-minded (and appreciated). To that end, are you willing to give this movie a chance, considering the fact that the creators have yet to finalize so much as a script, cast or their list of set locations? What was DiBonaventure's (sp) key word in the linked article you shared with the group? "Germination," perhaps?

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Health problems keeping me

    by Holy Hell

    Health problems keeping me from sleep... Krack, why does a history of visual representation matter to and to others like you?

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:46 p.m. CST

    I think your objection to

    by Holy Hell

    I think your objection to the film is completely reasonable, Krack, not that you're after approval. It WILL most likely suck, and when it does it won't even throw nostalgic resonance at the fanboys. I'll decide to see it or not once I see the trailers and sift through a little word of mouth. I'm not holding out too much hope myself- Van Helsing SUCKED.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:59 p.m. CST

    By health problems I mean

    by Holy Hell

    By health problems I mean "addiction to this talkback".

  • Sept. 10, 2007, midnight CST

    Fair Enough

    by DeeJay

    Ah. Based on the last paragraph of your post, it would seem that you are, indeed, the same person. By the way, the fair-minded compliment had much to do with; lesser profanity, lack of attacks on persons you don't know (and aren't on AICN), and lack of gross generalizations. Still, I respect that you're entitled to your own opinion on this movie. Let's just not lose sight of the fact that the framework you offer is *also* a revisionist/ reinvented take on the characters.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Fair enough. Isn't it

    by Holy Hell

    Fair enough. Isn't it amazing, though, that these pop artifacts, many of which have been sterilized throughout that visual history by commercial interests, are SO important to people? The stories can really strike a nerve, really speak to people, but color of a suit can freak people the hell out. I'll admit, changing Superman from blue to black seems a bit stupid, and I'm glad they didn't do it, but I suppose I can imagine how a talented storyteller could make such a shift feel really powerful to people living today, in the context of a new story. No?

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Smallville significantly

    by Holy Hell

    Smallville significantly tweaks the Superman myth, yet it tells stories of adolescence that people, lots of people, somehow identify with. I guess the tweaks just have to be the right tweaks, ones that update without alienating the base.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Which, I suppose, raises the

    by Holy Hell

    Which, I suppose, raises the question as to why the shifting of the GI Joe acronym, whether the result of creative or commercial forces, is seen by so many as "alienating" instead of "updating"? In other words, what is so important, so foundational, abouth the original stories that making the force international in character is such an offense?

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:16 a.m. CST

    And is there NO way it could

    by Holy Hell

    And is there NO way it could be a good story if changed?

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Krack... let me chime in... G.I. JOE

    by moto

    Let me say this to put things into perspective. G.I. Joe WAS my childhood. Star Wars and Transformers were great, but nothing compared to G.I. Joe. Had all the toys. Watched the show whenever it was on TV. Played for hundreds upon hundreds of hours creating my own Joe stories with friends in suburbia. To this day, my 2 year old son and I watch G.I. Joe on DVD. He sings the theme song. He screams, "Yo Joe" when we walk past the toy aisle with the Joe figures. DON'T TELL ME WIFE THAT;) <p> Anyway, this whole international entity thing is being blown a bit out of proportion. There are so many angles story-wise that they can take in the script, which HASN'T EVEN BEEN WRITTEN YET. As long as they don't slap us in the face over and over within the movie , explaining that, "Hey, G.I. Joe is not AMERICAN" then fine. It's nothing more than a lame technicality being used in order to keep the international markets open. Stupid? Yes. But not the tragedy that you are making it out to be. <p> Don't fall into the AICN TB trap. We know virtually nothing about the story that will come to the big screen. Thankfully the Skip Woods' ASININE (sp?) version is gone. Thankfully an excellent writer is attached. Thankfully it has been confirmed that they are sticking to the source material's core concept. <p> This is a small technicality to appease the money mongers. I'm sure the cast of Joes will be American for the most part, recruited from the U.S. Special Forces. They may throw in one or two foreign characters but overall I HIGHLY doubt that the international entity part is going to be the focal point of the story. <p> And for me, even as a die hard fan, it's a small price to pay to see a G.I. Joe live action movie. <p> But this is clearly not a make or break aspect of the success of a G.I. Joe movie. Not at all. It's being blown out of proportion... and not surprisingly, it's really only happening here at AICN. <P> Again, it's a technicality. If they stick to the core concept of G.I. Joe fighting Cobra... with each organization being manned by particular characters with separate and distinct identities/character traits/combat specialties then I'm all good. <p> The international angle is PC yes... but it makes sense. Cobra has spread throughout the world and it is ignorant to think that one nation (i.e. American Special Mission Force) could topple such a terrorist organization while being manned and based solely out of one country (hmmm, sounds familiar). Even in the cartoon they had a Russian version of G.I. Joe fighting Cobra. <p> Anyway, that's my two cents. Let's wait and see AT LEAST some trailers that reveal more of the story.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Characters involved in Reimagining

    by DeeJay

    Krack... that would all of them. You referenced characters from the third wave of GI Joe, and the history is rather well-documented on other websites. The original late-60's version consisted of all men (most from different countries) and one female nurse, sans crossbow. The 70's version was essentially a group known as GI Joe and Action Team, and the 80's version featured the characters you referenced. Even the tagline of "a real American hero" is ascribed to the 80's line, though I suspect that some similar taglines had been established before then. Holy H... I agree with everything you just wrote about Smallville, caped suits and Van Helsing. To answer your question about "alienating," I think it has more to do with today's media climate of trying to get bombshell scoops (even if one has to be fabricated) and the seeming regression of news back to a heavily editorialized form of presentation.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Well, Smallville doesn't

    by Holy Hell

    Well, Smallville doesn't just look at a previously secret part of the Kent timeline, it juggles things pretty seriously. We've got Lex Luther and Lois Lane as regulars, and other Justice Leaguers showing up at odds with established timelines. It made significant changes to the narrative and found a pretty big and suprisingly faithful audience. About your point that the stakes are too high with film to make any changes at all: Singer did drain the "inspiring" quality of Superman from the film, but the film didn't fail because of change, it failed because of the WRONG change. Singer was trying to find resonance for a generation of rootless souls, sort of adrift in a super globalizing, terrorism-filled, revenge fantasy obsessed, world. He dit it wrong, but he could've made it work with different changes. He still could've had him lost at the beginning, but waking up to hope as the film moved on, battling Luther (in a ludicrous plot that needed a little reworking) and reawakening a new sense of inspiration in the audience. We don't want or need WW2 Superman or Cold War Superman, we need 9/11 Superman. We don't get the Superman we need unless we make changes.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Krack... and regarding the whole war on terror argument

    by moto

    Most Americans supported the idea of going after Al Queda cells which were based in Afghanistan. Someone attacked us, we discovered who it was, and the reaction was correct at first on the part of the current "administration". Operations began in Afghanistan where the threat was. Troops were sent. Progress, albeit slow at first, was being made. <p> But this is where the "administration" failed the American people. It used our anger and sorrow in order to fuel an unwarranted and proven to be fabricated (okay, I'll give you "exaggerated" instead of fabricated) reason to attack a country that virtually had nothing to do with those terrible attacks. <P> On top of that, Iraq became the center of the conflict, taking focus away from Afghanistan. If we would have went in full force into Afghanistan, Bin Laden probably would have been killed. If not, then at least we would have pulled the rug from under him completely. <p> Instead, we went to Iraq because the administration saw an open window (using the country's anger and sorrow) and went for it. <p> Sure, Saddam was not a good guy to have around. But if America as a country thinks that is full grounds to wage an international war, then we are going to face some terrible times when people get sick of us telling everyone how to live their lives. <p> Now instead of the original focal point of the administration's reason for being in Iraq (i.e. They had ties to 9/11 and they had WMDs... all proven to be false), it's now about "spreading democracy". Who the hell are we to force a nation to go against thousands upon thousands of years of tribal and religious tradition?? <P> Communists wanted to spread their way of life around during WWII. They believed in communism. But hell, we weren't about to let them force us to change OUR ways. How ignorant we are to think that Iraqis are any different. <p> You're wrong about the whole "Democrats need another US attack to see the light and support the war on terror". <P> It's not about "liberals" and similar such labels. Don't call me a democrat, don't call me a republican. Don't call me a liberal and don't call me a conservative. I'm an American. And if the politicians of this country lived under that mantra rather than sticking to what their "party" instructs them to do then this war would have never happened. <p> Iraq will never succeed as a democracy because it is a whole different part of the world, with a different history. Different morales. Different religions. Different traditions. Different culture. <p> If we're so worried about the poor and terrible way of life of such a nation, then why the hell are we not bringing stability to Africa? Why are we not flying our troops in to save those people? Why do we let them kill each other? <p> Why? It's about money, power, oil, arrogance, and vendettas. <p> How many future Bin Ladens have we created? How many reasons have we given to different cultures to hate us? All because of this "war of terror". <p> Sigh. A frickin' story about a cartoon show with a character named Quick Kick somehow made me jump onto a soap box to talk bleeding heart politics:):) Anyway, Yo Joe!! Can't wait to see the flick. Sure, they could fuck it up, but there's not enough to prove that just yet. The internet has created too many cynics. Actually I blame Lucas and his prequel fiasco.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Krack...

    by moto

    It's not about eating a shit sandwich. It's not about being willing to do so. That whole argument of yours is frankly, ignorant in terms of cinema. We're all different people and we all have our likes and dislikes. We all respond to certain things or NOT respond to certain things. There are movies I'm sure that you herald in your collection, but in my eyes I think you're crazy for enjoying. Vice versa. <p> This is the thing... no one can make the adaptation that you call for, unless you yourself make the movie. Same goes for any of us. It's impossible. You, like me, respond very well to Batman Begins and X-Men because our personal interpretations of the material were close to that of the filmmakers that made the movie. GREAT. EXCELLENT. LOVE IT. But it ain't always going to be that way, Krack my friend. <p> So yeah, I take the good and leave the bad. Transformers had its faults and I've always said that. I hated the Section 9 shit or whatever it was. I hated the FIVE MINUTE slapstick scene where the Autobots hid from Shia's (my) parents. I hated the Jon Voight shit. But there were plenty of things I enjoyed (Shia's, er, my performance... the autobots... the decepticons... the action... the visuals, etc). <p> I could care less what anyone one else did or didn't take from it. Who cares? It doesn't put them in a place above or below me in some idiot cinema totem pole of quality. That goes against the idea of cinema itself. Entertainment. <p> X-Men had PLENTY of things to bitch about, as far as the lack of attention to source material. But the core concept was intact. And most of the character archs were evident. That's what G.I. Joe needs to do. <p> Again, the fact that you're calling this a shit sandwich already exemplifies what is wrong with this era of cinema... i.e. the era of the internet fanboy. <p> I'm not saying it's wrong for you to hate Transformers or a majority of the other "shit" that comes out. It's fine to be pissed. But clearly it and films like it entertained the masses. I don't understand why some of these blockbusters make shitloads of money. I don't get why certain people love the Evil Dead movies and their "star". But far be it for me to think my viewpoint is the end all be all. <p> It's a pleasure to be at war with you my friend. But I think it's more about what each of our definitions of cinema are. You obviously think cinema is some totem pole or something with certain films cascading upwards in "quality". I myself believe that different people enjoy different movies for different reasons. There's a reason why I can watch fucking "Side Out" and "Waterworld" over and over. LOL. We all have those guilty pleasures that we enjoy. I myself cannot stand Christopher Guest movies, John Waters movies, etc. Others call them timless classics. <p> Who knows? I just want to see G.I. Joe on the big screen as long as they stick to the core concept.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Okay then Krack,

    by moto

    You said to Dee Jay, "Fans of the 80s version WANT to see the characters they are familiar with - Duke, Snake Eyes, Scarlett, Roadblock, Stalker, Shipwreck (and about 50 others). I don't want to see a new version of the team. Give me what I want!" <p> There is NO indication that you are NOT going to get what you want. None. The fact that G.I. Joe is going to be considered an international entity doesn't mean that they're not going to use those characters as they were portrayed in the source material. That's my point. Instead of them being a 100% U.S. entity, they are international. Like in the cartoon, there was a Russian version of G.I. Joe. It's a technicality. THAT is where you are blowing things out of proportion with this, man. <p> Again, nothing that has been released or confirmed states that the characters we grew up with won't be used. If anything, that HAS been confirmed. So what's the problem?

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 1:42 a.m. CST

    The MEGAFORCE theme SONG

    by the Green Gargantua

    Is inspo rock of the highest caliber. Give it a listen, If you dont have a sweat band on your head by the time the song finishes you are a big sissy.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Well said...

    by moto

    I too believe that Bush believed in some form or another that Iraq had chemical and nuclear weapons, based upon the info he was given. <p> However, I question a president who doesn't do all he can and gather all of the information and intelligence he can before committing to waging war against another country, especially without the understanding and cooperation of the U.N. It's not about bowing to the U.N. at all. It's about diplomacy and the fact that had we taken the time, perhaps we could have garnered more international support, thus creating a REAL coalition to go in there and do what needed to be done. Instead Bush jumped the gun. It's a cop out to say, "Hey, the man was given bunk information so it's not his fault." He's the fucking president of the U.S. I expect him to think long and hard and consider everything possible to consider before sending our young men and women to war. <P> As far as my point about the culture of Iraq being racist??? I won't even go there. That's ridiculous. My point is that just because something works for us, doesn't mean it's going to work for others. Our idea of a way of life doesn't doesn't mean it's the ONLY way to live. That's just a terrible frickin' interpretation of what I was saying. Irresponsible. <P> What's racist is me going to my neighbor and saying, "Hey, you know, you need to live your life like me and listen to the music that I listen to and treat people the way I treat them if you want to live a "civilized" life". That's essentially what the current administration is telling Iraq to do. <p> At one point in time, we're going to have to learn to coexist with others that don't live under the beliefs that we do. But that won't happen. Nature itself won't allow it. <p> As far as Africa goes? Well, the truth is a bitch. They're not a threat so let those people die. Imagine if we as a nation thought differently. The things we could do. People will call it liberal crap, but the billions we spend on the "war" in Iraq could feed the hungry and heal the sick throughout the world. It's an easy thing to say I know. And a bit naive I'm sure because war = money and power. <p> Shit, it's late. We'll agree to disagree.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 4:48 a.m. CST

    GI

    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    GI is an American term, so call it MI instead. Oh wait...

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 7:17 a.m. CST

    bomb america

    by ironic_name

    not canada.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Phozon MSNBC

    by Saluki

    A comment from many moon ago in this talkback claimed that the MSNBC line-up was made up of former Democrats. Is this the same MSNBC that hosts Tucker Carlson, Joe Scarborough, and Pat Buchanan, or some other bizarro MSNBC? Get back to telling me CNN is lefty once Glenn Beck is off the air.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    What the G.I. Joe Movie SHOULD be

    by zombiezeus

    I've said it before so might as well say it again--here's what the movie SHOULD be: http://blog.thecomiccollective.com/?p=32 And here's what it would be if it were Action Force-esque, which, admittedly, wouldn't be the WORST thing in the world, since what we're going to get is refried, over-analyzed soft and fuzzy pap: http://blog.thecomiccollective.com/?p=31

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Krack

    by DeeJay

    There are 3 huge flaws in your argument. First is that most fans who followed the "GI Joe and Adventure (no "Action"... my fault)Team" comics are unlikely to be diehard internet chat room posters... so their lack of online arguments says nothing about their collective level of passion in this matter. Second is that you haven't conducted a scientific study to support any of your sweeping claims about the core GI Joe fan base (and we've already seen how irrelevant anecdotal "evidence" of fan unrest was in relation to Transformers). Third is that your core argument assumes that the studio has and will remain committed to things in one draft of script (something that is *impossible* for any human to claim with certainty). Again, your opinion is your own, and that's fine. It just isn't fact, nor is it entirely honest to present it as such. By the way... yes, you did contradict yourself by essentially claiming that maintaining the revised group you're most familiar would somehow be different in the grander scheme of maintaining tradition. However, since we're dealing with emotions and not logic, you're entitled to express *that*, as well. :-)

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    it really is "GIJINO" now

    by finky089

    Seriously, they should just change the name.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    And, was that Will Ferrell in the tank?

    by finky089

    That must be how he got his nickname, "Frank the Tank!!" <p> ahahahahahaha-this GI Joe film is gonna suck.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Will there be PORK CHOP SANDWICHES???

    by finky089

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    WILL DOC SING REGGAE WITH TWO BORED KIDS?

    by finky089

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    WILL LADY JAYE EVER FIND HER PINK, VINYL PURSE?

    by finky089

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    WILL DEEP SIX SAVE A BRAT FROM ELECTROCUTION?

    by finky089

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    WILL ROADBLOCK OFFER BODY MASSAGES??

    by finky089

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    WILL RECONDO PUT A KID IN THE REFIRGERATOR AGAIN?

    by finky089

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    WILL A BLIND KID NOBODY LIKES FIND A LOST KITTEN?

    by finky089

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST

    WILL BARBECUE TOAST TWO KIDS IN THEIR HOUSE?

    by finky089

    in the middle of a fire!!!

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST

    WILL CUTTER CHALLENGE YOU TO A CONTEST?

    by finky089

    on the ballfield!

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST

    WILL SNOWJOB GIVE A KID THE STICK TO SAVE HIM??

    by finky089

    No, don't give him the stick!

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    WILL THE BEATS BE REALL FRESH???

    by finky089

    SNAP!

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    WILL SPIRIT ROLL YOU IN A RUG TO PUT OUT FIRE??

    by finky089

    over and over and over and over and over?

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    WILL NINO BLANCO GET HURT ON THE SOCCER FIELD??

    by finky089

    Help him, FOotloose!

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST

    YOU LIKE IT! YOU LOVE! YOU NEED IT!

    by finky089

    just accept it, folks. Hollywood will continue to mine your nostalgia as long as you keep buying it.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    I'm sorry krack, but

    by finky089

    this talkback was ruined as soon as the article hit. The best thing to come from GI Joe lately have been the Fenslerfilm parodies. ALl of which will likely be more entertaining than the Stephen SOmmers film. <p> If I didn't know any better I'd think Michael Denis Bay had soemthing to do with this. Except even Bay would likely be a proponent of keeping with the American GI component. DAMN YOU AMERICAN-HERO HATING WORLD!

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    GAY

    by Faust_8

    Who is the marketing genuis who thought this would sell the movies overseas.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    krack, "if I have offended you, then I am sorry"

    by finky089

    My reaction to reading the article was fraught with as much absurdity as I felt was contained in the studio's decision to change the "GI Joe" name. <p> Forget it friends, Cobra has already won. Cobra-lalalalalalalalalalalalala!

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    You fools have offically killed the fun Joe ranting. Fuck this thread. Yooooooooo Hoes! (and beers)

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    I AGREE

    by moto

    Let's keep this Joe talk. No more politics. It's a no win situation. We all have our opinions and they are just that... opinions. So Krack and I shall stop. At least I will. But keep the Joe talk going.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    So Moving on, what characters SHOULD be in it???

    by moto

    Obviously Snake Eyes as the Wolverine type focal point character. If the filmmakers keep him shrouded in mystery, then his silence and face unseen will play well. But they HAVE TO keep him in the black suit. Watch Val Kilmer in the Saint when he wore a similar suit. I remember seeing that and saying, "Holy Shit, it's fucking Snake Eyes!" <p> Gotta have Duke and Flint. Beachhead is a must in my opinion. He's a badass. But the filmmakers will probably forget about him. Scarlett and Lady Jay for the "pune" factor. LOL. Could go on and on. <p> I'd love to see Destro, who has been confirmed already. Cobra Commander will come into play I'm sure, even though they said Destro was the leader of Cobra. Dreadnocks would be kickass to see handling a side mission. Storm Shadow is a must. I'd LOVE to see them pull off Tomax and Xamot. Their characters are so important to Cobra, them being the business front for the organization. <p> Who else?

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    HOW 'BOUT THIS...

    by BigBlackDude

    Message to studio: Let's worry about what the folks across the ocean think AFTER we've made a good movie. I'm begging you, please don't destroy GI Joe. Please.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Storm Shadow baby!

    by WONKABAR

    Dude, they just base 100% on one those first mini-series. Like, weather-control machines and shit. Like, they gotta find different pieces of rocks from different parts of the world and shit. Definitely gotta have a white-dressed ninja though with laser-devices on his palms sos he can cut through glass... and shit. btw wtf is the point of a white ninja-suit unless you're cruising in the the goddamn snow? Anyway, just do the cartoon almost shot for shot, word for word... kinda like teh Psycho remake. But maybe not followed THAT closely.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 6:37 p.m. CST

    krack, i think LatinoReview saw the script

    by finky089

    and basically said it had very few of the "original" Joes in it. I'll see if I can find it...

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Link to LatinoReview's script review

    by finky089

    http://tinyurl.com/28dtz8 I wonder if it's been re-written since the draft they got their hands on? Because this one sounds like Grade D dogshit.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    BUMFIGHTS: The Movie

    by finky089

    would be of more interes t and probably more relevant to the original GI Joe

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    OMG anchorite...

    by WONKABAR

    you're probably right

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST

    finky089... New Script, New Writer

    by moto

    FYI, they have THANKFULLY ditched that script and Variety has reported that Stuart Beattie has been hired to write it. He wrote Collateral, the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise, etc. Stephen Sommers confirmed that he plans on using a number of the cool G.I. Joe characters. <p> Yeah, that script you mentioned was SHIT. But it's gone.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Krack... Snake Eyes

    by moto

    I see what you mean about the Boba Fett angle, but I think there's so much more to him, if you've read the comics. <P> It's true to the source material of the cartoon too because the first mini-series had his story as a focal point. This doesn't mean he needs to be in every scene. Not by any means. But the writers can use the mystery of his character much like X-Men did with Wolverine, but obviously slightly different. They need to play up the mystery of his character. They CAN handle him like Boba Fett in some terms, but it would be a waste to have him appear and disappear. <p> The comics handled him very well. It's doable and I would even be open to have Snake Eyes eventually be able to talk. They could play it much like Cyclops' eyes in X-Men or Rogue not being able to touch anyone. A good writer could pull it off.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST

    moto, thanks

    by finky089

    you are right. I forgot about reading about Beattie right here on AICN recently. Doh!

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 8:37 p.m. CST

    showing Snake Eyes face = lips on Prime?

    by finky089

    just sayin...

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Uh, Flying Motorbikes

    by BetaSword

    Uh, Flying Motorbikes ... Haven't i seen that in the old Battlestar Galactica, when they reached Earth? Not to mention those Outfits, i would be ashamed to wear such a ggg thing.

  • Sept. 11, 2007, 12:03 a.m. CST

    What does this mean for Captain America's Movie

    by Phategod1

    I could to bits of shit about GI loe but what does this mean for a Captain AMerican Movie. Will steve Rodgers Be A Eurasian female from Switzerland Something tells me there will be some big controversy over that movie

  • Sept. 11, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST

    GI JOes ARE American

    by DJJester

    Since ALWAYS. The toy line started as a way to boost morale about US Soldiers going off to war. The 1980's cartoon series (and every series since) has been based in the US. DESPITE what changes may have been made for international viewings of the cartoon. The entire concept of G.I. Joe is taken straight from slang used to describe US Soldiers during WWII and the Korean War. Honestly, instead of bitching here we should be taking this to Hasbro. Granted I'm not the biggest fan of GI Joe out there but I did love the cartoon as a kid. It seems to me one of Hasbro's biggest institutions is getting destroyed by this movie. Would they put up with Barbie's name being changed to Betty b/c Barbie has a negative connotation to someone? No of course not.

  • Sept. 11, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Steve Rodgers- A Eurasian female from Switzerland

    by finky089

    Phategod1, though it would NOT be Captain America, I'm oddly fascinated with this movie pitch. If it's a "hard "R"", my ticket's already bought.

  • Sept. 11, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    LAST!

    by finky089

    dunh dunh dunh

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Cast Sucks!

    by ChrisinLA

    Has anyone seen who's been cast for the film? Good story or not... there's no way the studio is gonna pull off even a half-way decent picture with the likes of Marlon "White Chicks" Wayans and the kid for 3rd Rock from the Sun playing Cobra Commander! Leaked photos of Snake Eyes are really cool, but why the hell is Destro not wearing his mask?