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Will BOND 22 Maybe/Possibly/Kinda-Sorta Be Called...??

Merrick again...
We just received this message, which is not presented in its entirety. Keep in mind, the source himself tells us to take this with a grain of salt...but I thought this might be a fun bit to chew on nonetheless. This comes from Problempasture....
...on Tuesday, in a class of mine at a particular college, instead of the typical lecture, we were treated with a visitor from (ORIGIN OF SPEAKER WITHHELD BY EDITOR TO PROTECT THE PERSON IN QUESTION) and close-friend to the current happenings of James Bond. The lecture was a good one covering the life and times of author Ian Fleming and how the films have evolved over time and so on and so forth but the REAL interesting tidbit was that he lightly touched on his awareness of the development of Bond 22 which he then mentioned seemed like was officially working under the title 'Property of a Lady' - the same name of a James Bond short story found in the book 'Octopussy and the Living Daylights'. Under further inspection, it shows the plot revolves around a female British double-agent also working for the KGB and the attempted auctioning off of a Faberge egg to make the double-agent a little money courtesy of her Russian employers. Of course, Bond must interfere. Now, whether or not this will be the authentic plot of the film, just a disembodied title or nothing at all, only time will tell. It should be taken with a grain of salt. Anyways, I hope this proves helpful and if you use this please call me ...'problempasture'.
Hmmmmmm. So, will the PoaL story be adapted or retrofitted in some way? I this just a place holder title? Those eggs were in OCTOPUSSY...of course, there could always be more of 'em? So many questions. Nothing Earth shattering here...just food for thought. Thanks a ton to Problempasture for sending this in.

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  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST

    I don't want to say it....

    by Francis Begbie

    so I wont

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST


    by StarFoxIV

    Now thats done

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:37 a.m. CST


    by Francis Begbie

    See starfox you didn't have to say it at all.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST

    The Faberge egg thingie was in OCTOPUSSY

    by Spacesheik

    i hope this isnt the real plot...

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Wasn't the Faberge egg plot in Octopussy?

    by tonagan

    James Bond was dressed as a clown in that. Wonder if Daniel Craig will do that. I'm still waiting for the return of the puffy shirt that Lazenby wore in On Her Majesty's Secret Service.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST

    I guess so. Sorry, Spacesheik.

    by tonagan

    Great minds yadda yadda yadda.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:43 a.m. CST

    It was in OCTOPUSSY . . .

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    because it was written in Octopussy. Maybe this is is just one thread of a larger blanket. Let's hope so.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Craig can't dress like Lazenby

    by The Gipper

    Austin Powers stole Lazenby's outfit.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    I must say...

    by Hyphin

    I LOVE that title. Very classy. In line with the current James Bond awesomeness.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    "We're at an all time highhhhh...."

    by tonagan

    "We'll take on the world and win..." I wish Octopussy wasn't brought up. Now that horrible song is stuck in my head.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Casino Royale is a terrible fim.

    by The Awfulism

    Boring and cheap looking. This 'Next film is going to be called 'Property of a Lady' stuff has been going on ever since 'The Living Daylights' They used the phrase and plot in Octopussy, no way are they going to do it again.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST


    by Quintus_Arrius

    .... thanks for a ton of shite. What a crap story and indeed, title! Hail Arrius!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST


    by kafka07

    oh that name is just naughty. I hope they naughty-up this franchise.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST


    by Quintus_Arrius

    and Bond 21 was not terrible... silly!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Sounds like Portrait of a Lady

    by Gwai Lo

    Don't really like it as a title for a Bond film.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST


    by The Awfulism

    Oh yes it was.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST


    by Quintus_Arrius

    ... oh no it isn't.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST


    by The Awfulism

    Oh yes it was and is.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST

    KGB double-agent?? I call bullshit.

    by polyh3dron

    Casino Royale was all about taking Bond out of the cold war once and for all and moving him into the present. After the precedent that was set with Casino Royale, it would be a step backwards to do this. Need I remind everyone that the same writers are working on this next Bond that did Royale?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST


    by MikeTheSpike

    Saying where the visitor is from would give up your source, but mentioning that he went to a college to do a lecture on Fleming and Bond, and that he's close friend with someone on the production... wouldn't? Poor problempasture will be dead by nightfall.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST


    by uss cygnus


  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST


    by Quintus_Arrius

    oh no its not and wasn't and is!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Casino Royale was great...

    by Francis Begbie

    awfulism, are you on drugs?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Weak title, but the movie is guaranteed to rock

    by superunknown85

    Talented director (technically better than Martin Campbell), talented script supervisor, and an awesome starring actor. Bond 22 is going to blow the Bourne Ultimatum away the same way Casino Royale blew away Identity and Supremacy simultaneously.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    The Russians?

    by redshirt

    So, evidently this franchise is still stuck in the cold war. I wanna see James Bond take on some jihadis. Come on, hollywood, make a movie with jihadis as the bad guys. Or are you afraid of muslims?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST


    by The Awfulism

    You just admitted it was. I win! Cinema going public loses!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST


    by Midol Boy

    Run away. Run far away.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    OCTOPUSSY - OCTO = Awfulism

    by LaneMyersClassic

    You're a fuckin' tool.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    talented script supervisor?

    by hktelemacher

    That's like saying this movie has a great key grip, it's gonna rock! Oh well, at least the continuity will be okay, if the script supervisor is as talented as superunknown85 asserts.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    How about : "Live and Live Well"

    by C.K. Lamoo

    or "The Sky is not the Limit" or "ThunderPussyraker"

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST


    by The Awfulism

    If you have to resort to mindless abuse, then you've alreay lost the argument.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Always one person in the crowd... like Awfulism...

    by Judge Briggs

    always one person who dislikes something because everyone else likes it... just like when kids count off by 1-2-3... someone always messes up.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Puffy Shirt

    by jdesmondi

    To quote the immortal Seinfeld, "But I don't wanna be a pirate!"

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Judge Briggs

    by The Awfulism

    So because you like something, you can't believe anyone else wouldn't? Casino Royale - next to V for Vendetta - was the most tedious experience I had in the cinema all year.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    So she hides the egg in her quim then?

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Goldfinger 3: Waiting for the Bus

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    People complaining about the KGB stuff

    by coolhanderik

    In the Casino Royale book, Vesper works for Russia I believe. They'd obviously update it for modern times.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Don't they always have generic titles before the...

    by The Dum Guy

    Real one is decided on?<br><br>If I remember correctly, Die Another Day was said to be called Fire and Ice for awhile before the final one.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Casino Royale is an AWESOME film

    by Yack Backer

    See, Awfulism, two can play that game!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Rumors for sale!

    by epitone

    Get 'em while they're hot!<br><br>"Property of a Lady" next Bond title: $1<br><br>Angelina Jolie next Bond girl: $0.75<br><br>Sting singing next Bond song: $0.50<br><br>Sean Connery as next Bond villain or making surprise cameo: $0.25

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:06 p.m. CST


    by Andy Warhol Jr

    That'd work!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST


    by soup74

    yes, everyone is entitled to their opinon. and its perfectly okay that you didnt like bond 21, but you stated <br>"Casino Royale is a terrible film. Boring and cheap looking." <br> which makes it sound like fact. therefore, you have to deal with the movie's defenders. It works the opposite way too. while for some reason i enjoyed Aliens Vs Predator, i would never make the statement "AvP was a great piece of cinema!"... <br>because that would just be silly.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Can't wait for those parodies.

    by Stalin vs Predator

    Will the XXX one be titled "Probably a Lady", with a train full of trannies?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST


    by SpyGuy

    Yeah, it's childish and stupid...but then, so is Awfulism.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    The theme of the movie is horse racing

    by DavidCamp

    A friend has just finished working as a runner and Michael Fassbender's hand-double on a horror movie, 'Eden Lake'. According to him, a good deal of the 007 crew has apparently (as reported online) already been in dubai and sienna shooting horse races, and according to this guy - its the big theme of the movie (a la casino royale's poker). Should be awesome!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Horse racing isn't a theme

    by Darth Fart

    Themes are non-tangible, they are played out dramatically in, and in the best films, it's actually a thesis, anti-thesis and the whole aka synthesis.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST


    by batjac

    Too obvious?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    A View to Dr. No's Thunderballs.

    by batjac


  • Sept. 7, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    "The Spy with an odd-looking chest"

    by C.K. Lamoo

    Craig does have one.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    the thing is

    by mrbong

    that raising money by dubious means, so to speak, was the main plot thrust of Casino Royale. no way are they going to risk a similar thematic plot, are they? as for the horse racing, nice one - that's a hint towards a revision of my personal favourite, A View To A Kill. AVTAK was way ahead of its time, in the 80's no one believed that the world would be dependent on microchips one day.............

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Fleming titles not used

    by coldpizza

    include "Risico", "The Hildebrand Rarity", "Quantum of Solace", "James Bond in New York" & "Property of a Lady". Every title since "Licence to Kill" has been made up by the producers. I'd like to see them remake movies in chrono, the next would be "Live and Let Die".

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST

    i read somewhere about that..

    by rabidbothan

    horse racing thing (some strange traditional type, unlike modern horse racing) & that there were a bunch of animal rights activists against its inclusion in the movie, b/c of the terrible history it has when it comes to horse accidents. unfortunately, i don't think the world of james bond is wide enough to include a movie with the theme "horse racing". =) both the title and horse racing thing sound cool though.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    A VIEW TO A KILL had a horse racing/steroids subplot

    by Spacesheik

    I heard the climax of the film was a brutal horse race that takes place in Tuscany- maybe thats what they mean.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Title track

    by Spacesheik

    Maybe they can get former rapper BIZ MARKIE ("You Say Shes Just a Friend")to wear the Beethoven wig and do the title track. Couldn't be worse than Madonna or Garbage or Sheryl Crow.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Not based on Fleming

    by K1Bond007

    Paul Haggis has already confirmed that Bond 22 will not be based on any Ian Fleming story as practically all of them have been used - even The Property of a Lady which was in Octopussy. Titles are fair game though. The Property of a Lady Risico Quantum of Solace 007 in New York The Hildebrand Rarity is all that remains from Fleming. EON Productions will probably never use the title from another Bond novelist (Amis, Gardner, Benson, or Higson) since they would have to purchase the rights and it's far cheaper for them to just come up with their own (Cubby Broccoli stated this numerous times and no doubt his family will stick with it). At best, depending on the success they may pick up Devil May Care from Faulks, but I wouldn't count on it and it definitely wouldn't be used for Bond 22. Bond 23 at the earliest.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST

    The original story took

    by Holy Hell

    The original story took place during the Cold War; it could certainly be updated to a Middle Eastern country or a new potential advesary like China. Or, believe it or not, it could be about Russia, set right now. Our relationship has cooled a bit, and we're definately a bit suspicious of one another these days. It's probably too asexual a decision, though. And "Casino Royale" was decent with ribbons of awesomeness in the mix. "V for Vendetta" was horrible. Truly, offensively, horrible. "Probably a Lady" is an excellent title for a transvestite-populated parody of the Bond flick. Imagine the whole double agent angle mixed with a gender-bending "Crying Game" discomfort- Bond gets busy with his Chinese advesary before realizing she's a man, man. I would giggle freely.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Message to the Producers...

    by :-o

    I know your collective heads are hurting now that you used up the one remaining untapped Fleming tome and need to duplicate the magic. Fear not. You can use the Fleming books again but this time FILM THEM AS THEY WERE WRITTEN. Change the names as you wish. We would get 20 brand spanking new JB adventures judging by the liberties you've taken over the decades. How cool would the real Moonraker be? The real For Your Eyes Only? Stop being chickenshits. Do them right.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 3:49 p.m. CST

    wasn't the faberge egg in Octopussy?

    by Ray Gamma

    wasn't the faberge egg in Octopussy? </P> <P> oh, right, sorry, people have mentioned this already in this thread TEN THOUSAND FUCKING TIMES

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    would a movie even pass standards today

    by Charlie Murphy

    if it was called Octopussy? i've alwats wondered about that.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST


    by Bobo_Vision

    Or....GOLDFINGERED PUSSY. I'm done.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Right on, er, :-o

    by sarajevobot

    That poster is right. Re-make the whole goddamn series, but film them closer to the books, toughen 'em up where needed. They've established a great tone and approach with Casino Royale. It ain't broke; continue with the same approach!!!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Can we have Bond fighting Islamo Terrorists

    by BringingSexyBack

    instead of chasing a Faberge egg? For fuck's sake.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Charlie Murphy

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    I don't get people who try to act like we're all politically correct nowadays. Only nowadays can you turn on the radio and hear songs talking about slaping your bitches around while hanging out with your "niggas" and consuming copious amounts of alcohol and weed and isn't materialism great.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    i absolutely hate political correct people too

    by Charlie Murphy

    i say fag and retard and fuck all the time. there was this great episode of Bullshit where Penn went to fucking town on this bitch who wouldn't swear. i bet in five years, people will be saying "shit" on network tv, and dare i dream... maybe one day we'll hear "fuck" somewheres other than hbo or showtime.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    You can say 'fuck' on HBO???

    by performingmonkey

    I wish somebody had told me that... All 'cuss words' can be used on British television, providing it's late enough of course. Although the BBC would probably cut 'cunt' unless it was screening a movie.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Jason Bourne is inferior to Bond

    by sean bean

    I mean, in that scene in the Bourne Ultimatum where he strangled the guy in the shower, there was a perfect opportunity for a hilarious quip, like "He choked," or "It'll come out in the wash". Bourne said nothing. He wasn't even trying.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Political correct-ness is

    by Holy Hell

    Political correct-ness is fine, as long as it's honest. There actually are decent, intelligent people with a somewhat mild sense of decorum. Most of our grandmothers, for instance. The only time it's a problem is when people are politically correct because they fear thinking for themselves or expressing unpopular ideas. Don't fear ruffling feathers, engage in conversation with a light on in your brain, and you'll probably end up at conclusions of some good sense. Some might label them "politically correct". If they are judged "politically incorrect", but reasoned argument fails to bring them down, the definition of what is and isn't politically correct needs to change. Too often, though, those who bash "politically correct" language and values fail to do so with any intelligence behind them. Just cynical, childish, arrogance and ignorance.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    The Octopussy song is great

    by Osmosis Jones

    Fuck it, we NEED John Barry back on this franchise.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Politically correct people?

    by Mister Man

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Politically Incorrect

    by Holy Hell

    Politically Incorrect language and ideas can be wonderful, however, don't get me wrong. It can point to absurdity in cultural values and crack us the hell up. Transvestite Bond parodies, for example, have the potential for exquisite comedy. Larry David, Bill Maher, Louis CK-all incorrectly awesome. Bob Saget? Funny, but very, very sad. Michael Richards? Lost control, apparently melted down into politically incorrect idiocy. If it's smartly incorrect, it's great.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST

    As long as Justin Timberlake doesn't do the theme song

    by Yeti

    I don't care what what the Title is (Licence Renewed is my guess by the way...)

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 6:22 p.m. CST

    You can say 'fuck' on HBO???

    by performingmonkey

    I wish somebody had told me that... All 'cuss words' can be used on British television, providing it's late enough of course. Although the BBC would probably cut 'cunt' unless it was screening a movie.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    It'll have zero to do with the plot of the short story

    by frofropimp

    If true. The Property of a Lady is the property of Vesper Lynd left to Bond (most noticeably the Algerian Love Knot) which may lead Bond to the head of the LeChiffre/Mr. White organization.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 7:40 p.m. CST

    License to thunderball her majesty's octopussy

    by the_man_from_Rio

    talk about f.u.c.k.... i think this horse subplot could be interesting...what, does he get involved directly with it, and at the last minute, while trying to lose track of the bad guys, and unarmed, james bond has to knock out the jockey, and ride the horse to victory, a-la van damme in "Sudden death" (i don't know where that came from) And does anyone know the name of the supposed bond girl again?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 8:15 p.m. CST

    James Bond in "Superthunderstingpussy"

    by Laserbrain

    ... it's an in-joke. Don't worry about it.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Property of What? WTF?

    by BetaRayBill07

    Please let this be the working title. Doesn't LeMarc have the faberge egg courtesy of Rusty Ryan anyway??

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 9:08 p.m. CST

    The old Bond continuity is gone...

    by TheDoctor73

    We need to realize that the new Bond has nothing to do with the old Bond... That's a good thing. The old bond was long in the tooth. Crazy stuff happening all the time with no consequence to Bond. The new bond is real. He's a real man in a real world. He doesn't fit in the old bond ways... may be the old Connery days, but not the later Moore or Brosnen days. If this is a semi remake of Octopussy, then so be it. It's a good thing.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:12 p.m. CST

    The Spy With the Biggest Penis You Ever Saw

    by Uncapie

    I miss National Lampoon from the seventies and eighties.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Leftover Fleming Bond Titles...

    by Boromir187

    There are actually quite a few Bond short story titles that have yet to be used for films: "Property of a Lady", "Risico", "The Hildebrand Rarity", "Quantum of Solace", etc. That said, nearly all of their plots have already been plundered for other films. "Property of a Lady" was mixed into the plot of the Roger Moore film Octopussy. "Risico" was used as a strong basis for the film For Your Eyes Only. "The Hildebrand Rarity" made up part of a subplot in Licence To Kill. Only "Quantum of Solace" hasn't been used plot-wise and it doesn't even really deal with Bond all that much from what I remember. I can't see them ever using Hildebrand and Quantum as titles, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they end up using "Property of a Lady" and "Risico" as names for future films at some point. Hell, the first one was going to be the titled of the unproduced third Dalton film that never got made due to all of the legal battles in the early '90s. That said, while both titles will likely be used at some point, I severely doubt they will actually use the plots of those stories. Instead they will likely just use the name and craft an entirely new story from it (which is nothing new for the franchise). If I were the writers, I'd re-read all of Fleming's novels to see what hasn't been used yet in terms of plotting and big setpieces. There's still quite a bit of material floating around in there that has yet to be adapted in some form or another.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Property of a Lady doesn't sound like a Bond movie.....

    by Forestal

    Bond 22 probably won't have that title because it doesn't sound particularly exciting. Also Paul Haggis said the screenplay isn't based on any Fleming short story or novel.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:41 a.m. CST

    CASINO ROYALE was no more than BOURNE-LITE

    by realbondfan

    It's become quite apparent that fans of the new CASINO ROYALE are casual Bond fans at best, if that, as longtime Bond fans such as myself regard CR as "Bourne-lite" at best. In fact, NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN is a much better film than CR even if Bond had been played by another actor simpy by virtue of the fact it was closer in tone and detail than even CR was. First off, Craig is a horrible actor, better cast as someone's henchman than the lead. Want proof? LAYER CAKE isn't exactly setting sales records on the DVD charts, nor is he pulling in fans to see THE INVASION. Christ, even the studios aren't exactly playing him up in the promotional material in any of the major releases he's recently starred in or will be seen in. Take MUNICH, which one would have thought would have seen the posters and tv spots playing up the fact they had the new Bond among their cast. If anything, they did quite the opposite, featuring him in less than 48 FRAMES - if that - in any of the trailers. He hasn't fared much better in the material for THE INVASION or THE GOLDEN COMPASS, neither of which would lead you to believe he was at least a co-star in either of these after one had viewed the trailers. The most prominent placement of his image has been the one-sheet for THE INVASION, but based on the box-office returns it doesn't say much for his ability to draw an audience. To add insult to injury, NONE of the Bond promotional material even once played up Daniel Craig as Bond. It was like they were test-marketing for the future -- see, we can place any trained monkey in the role of Bond and the rubes will still show up. Even George Lazenby received better marketing than Craig when OHMSS was released, but not by much. Contrast how Brosnan was promoted when he took over the role, and it's light years beter treatment than anything Craig has received thus far. All the Craig supporters can rave about how good the guy is to their hearts content, but the jury's still out and so far it doesn't look promising from either the Hollywood studios or American audiences on whether he'll ever be more than a B-list player that some are willing to take a chance on. As for the film CR itself, all it did was create a divide between long-time fans such as myself who have no interest in the "rebooted" version or any sequels to follow, and those who will settle for any piece of crap market-tested for their sensibilities. Bond films used to be the trendsetter whether it was the stunts, editing, visual design, marketing or any of the other myriad of aspects that made a Bond film a Bond film. Not any longer. CR was more influenced by the Bourne films than they were interested in setting the standard once again, unlike the attitude they took when they were making GOLDENEYE, a film where within the first 30 seconds featured a jaw-dropping stunt that literally dropped one into the story and sold Pierce Brosnan as Bond within half-a-minute later. Whereas with CR, many a person in the audience was left scratching their heads at the end of the film wondering who the thug was playing James Bond. One other aspect about CR that was a huge negative: the action sequences were actually far more cartoonish than anything ever featured in even a Moore Bond. For all the talk of how realistic this Bond was, the scenes at the construction site and airport were so over the top I even expected Nick Nack to make an appearance.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:49 a.m. CST

    How about...

    by Wheel99

    You only hump twice?

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:28 a.m. CST


    by mrbong

    the BBC takes an odd approach to editing. even though they were late at night, the screenings of Midnight Run and Apocalypse now had every single "fuck" edited, or replaced. you should try and see those edits, they are rather fun. as for the "cunt" word, it has only every appeared three times on BBC TV to my knowledge - the infamous Sex Pistols interview, a film about Oswald Moseley, and when the Manic Street Preachers sneaked it in during the song "Yes". i hope that helps your interest in the subject.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:31 a.m. CST

    remake / remodel

    by mrbong

    why not just redo some of the older bonds? if done properly the classics could be updated and made just as impressive. From Russia With Love or The Spy Who Loved Me would benefit from updates, and would be rather topical, considering the current state of relations between East & West. they would be brave to take on Goldfinger sure, but some of the others they could get some success with.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Charlie Higson

    by mrbong

    why has no one had a go at adapting Charlie Higson's "Young Bond" novels into films?

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:15 a.m. CST


    by football

    Despite what some so-called aficionados think, it's still a an unused Fleming title, so for that simple reason it gets my vote for a future Bond title. Also, EON can use the title without connecting it to the Fabarge egg story featured in Octopussy. Instead it can be linked to the Algerian loveknot necklace briefly mentioned in CR. Let's not forget Bond's tracking down Vesper's boyfriend in this new one and Bond found out that he gave her the necklace in CR, therefore the title could work in some capacity. Anyway, I'm liking what I'm hearing about the new B22.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:38 a.m. CST

    Some interesting facts...

    by Lord Haw Haw

    1. Nazi Germany was defeated in World War II. 2. The Faberge egg plot was in "Octopussy". 3. Cinnamon Toast Crunch has a crunchy texture not unlike toast, with a sweet cinnamon flavor.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 4:06 a.m. CST

    "James Bond 22"

    by Regis Travolta

    There's your title. No way will it be released with such a stupid lame ass title as Property of a Lady. Or just call it Casino Royale 2. It's literally a sequel Paul Haggis said it starts two minutes after CR ended.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 4:16 a.m. CST

    The 2

    by Darth Maui

    "What would you guys think of them start adapting the books faithfully in order? They wouldn't be remakes, cause aside from OHMSS, most of the films were not very faithful. I think this would be a good idea." I'd be very open to it and have even suggested the same in conversation to others. "Or just call it Casino Royale 2." That's funny because when I read the headline for this piece I thought, "I bet we're going to find out it's called Casino Royale 2." BTW, Casino Royale was an awesome film.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Let Richard Cheese cover the last flicks theme...

    by Shermdawg

    ...use that for this one's theme, and call it...<br><br> CASINO ROYALE WITH CHEESE *rimshot*

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Realbondfan you are not !

    by stamper

    Get a life, the opening of Goldeneye feature the most ridiculous, badly made stunt in any Bond ever, with transparencies worst than Moonraker. Just shut you trap and go rewatch your Pierce Boredsnan movies. You post 50 lines just to say that crap is a perfume and gold is shit. I believe you should find a woman, it helps having perspective on movies, ask Harry.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 6:14 a.m. CST


    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    yeah dude, I mean I like the old flicks and all but I'd take Daniel Craigs' Bond over invisible cars and Halle Berry any day.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    How about....

    by Dr Gregory House

    "Bitches Gotta Eat...Egg"

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST


    by stamper

    fake, must be one of the virgin 32 years old from the anti craig brigade website ! As will shatner would say GET A LIFE!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Realbondfan must be on the meth

    by Dr Gregory House

    I couldn't read any further than "Never Say Never Again is a much better film than CR". I'm all about differences of opinion, but for the love o God.....and the Bourne films are average at best. I have seen every Bond film multiple times and 'Casino Royale' is among the best and certainly superior to any Bond flick since 'Live And Let Die'.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 10:19 a.m. CST


    by football

    Both Bond films you cite as better than CR were both major letdowns. I remember seeing GoldenEye at an advance screening and most people came out saying they thought it was still too cheesy. Fastforward to CR advance screening and everyone came out saying the complete opposite. Casino Roayle is the best 007 flick since OHMSS so let's not have any more pointless Craig bashing.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST

    BOURNE Makes BOND Irrelevant

    by LaserPants

    Even though CASINO ROYALE rocked the socks, it was still kinda 'meh' compared to the brainbusting awesomeness of the BOURNE series. I rewatched CASINO ROYALE after seeing BOURNE ULTIMATUM, and, quite frankly, Bond part 21 seemed kinda, well, corny (opening 20 minutes aside, the rest really isn't all that cool).

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Bond is a fun, likeable, and iconic character..........

    by Forestal

    Unlike Bourne, who barely ever cracks a smile and seems to have no sense of humor.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:11 p.m. CST

    It should be called AINTITCOOL.

    by theonecalledshoe

    catchphrase included! POAL sounds a bit like a chick flick... just a bit. I wonder who they'll get, eva mendes maybe?

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    The Bungee Jump Was FAKE????

    by realbondfan

    Who's talking out of their ass now? The opening stunt was awesome, and everyone at the Radio City Music Hall Premiere came out of there proclaiming Bond was definitely back. Obviously, those trashing the Brosnan Bonds while raving over CR have no idea what they're talking about. If GOLDENEYE hadn't scored HUGE with the audiences, that was it for the Bond franchise, and everyone connected with the series knew it. There was no talk of any other actor for the role at the time because the American audience at that time had been waiting for Pierce to step in and take over the role. Even Timothy Dalton could see the handwriting on the walls. Six years of no Bond films and his own two Bonds hadn't exactly set box-office records made it easy for him for him to move on. On the other hand, when Craig was handed the role, no one except Barbara Broccoli was enthused about the selection, as Brosnan had once again re-established the franchise much like Connery did originally. As for the fanboys telling me to get a life, I have a good one, complete with a great wife and kids who prefer the Bourne flicks over Craig in CR. As my one son said, "CR was a great action flick, but it wasn't Bond, much like Craig wasn't Bond either". Personally, I think the Craig backers are as bad if not worse than the Brosnan backers, as I'm not one to say change can't be a good thing. With regards to CR, the producers would have been much better off with either Hugh Jackman or Clive Owen as either are light-years better suited for the role than Craig ever will be. Besides, after laying down the template with GOLDFINGER, about the only other Bond as perfectly realized as that film was the classic OHMSS, and CR is nowhere near in the league of either of those classics, and never will be.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Perhaps Bourne Doesn't Smile Much Because...

    by LaserPants

    His girlfriend was murdered, his identity brainwashed, his life an endless chase? Something tells me I'd be rather perturbed at life in general if any of the above happened to me, but all three? I'm surprised Bourne isn't constantly screaming and killing people at random. <br><br> Bond, on the other hand, has the luxury of a sense of humor because he's basically a playboy -- he has a bottomless bank account with which to travel the world, fuck multiple insanely hot women, and has access to the most cutting edge sci-fi technology in the world. He's basically a rockstar / moviestar / fashion model, with a gun and a license to kill. If i were Bond, I don't think I could ever stop smiling. Lost a girlfriend? who cares! Theres like a million hoter ones waiting, with damp panties, right behind her.<br><br> Another way to look at it is that Bond lives a life without negative consequences of any kind whatsoever, whereas Bourne's entire existance is dogged by negative consequence.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    The Real Difference Between Bourne and Bond...

    by realbondfan due to their creators. Fleming saw Bond as a wish-fulfillment icon, who explained that Bond wouldn't be Bond when asked why he killed off Bond's wife at the end of OHMSS. In other words, Bond is meant to live life that we can only dream about in a hyper-sensualized reality. Ludlum, on the other hand, trafficked in complex thrillers based on the geo-political situation at the time, much like Tom Clancy does today. Given a choice whether one would want to be Bourne or Bond, it's not even a contest.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    "Nobody Lives Forever"

    by Big Bad Clone

    a title from a non-Fleming penned Bond book. I dunno if there would be issues securing that name, but it sounds great.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:32 p.m. CST

    I'm With realbondfan!

    by Colier Rannd

    We don't need a new Bourne movie, we need Bond. Damnit! George Lazenby could shit something more Bond like than CR. Even Daniel Craig agrees he's not playing Bond. From the special feature interview: "We are wanting to make the best action movie possible. You just have to forget it's Bond and make a great action movie". Forget it's Bond? Who else is he supposed to be playing?

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Oh Yeah, I'd Definately Rather Be Bond, But...

    by LaserPants

    Bourne makes for much more kickass, suspenseful, tense, edge-of-yr seatpants moobies. I mean, who wouldn't want to straddle the world, fuck a million insanely hot women, drive futuristic supercars, and be able to kill without consequence like Bond can (and does)? Its a no brainer! BUT, Bourne's story is much, MUCH more compelling viewing. So, yeah, I'd rather be Bond, but would rather watch Bourne.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST

    I remember the scene in Bourne Ultimatum...

    by Bobo_Vision

    ...where he choked the guy to death, and there was a pause after that, and I remember thinking while watching it, 'I'm so glad they resisted the urge to add a corny one-liner'. Jokey action film one-liners were good at one time, but now they have become a parody of themselves.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 1:28 a.m. CST

    The blonde boy from "Good Will Hunting" is a pussy

    by cyclo

    The little blonde boy from "Good Will Hunting" doesn't make anybody irrelevant, you fuckhead, except maybe Ben Assflake, but then Ben Assflake did that pretty much on his own. So don't even try to compare a Hollywood-made fraud like Jason Bourne to a real man like BOND.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Craig is the worst Bond ever

    by peter skellen

    When they cast the next Bond, Craig will get a retrospective kicking for being weird-looking, dour and's a tradition.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Craig Couldn't Even Carry Connery's Jock-Strap

    by realbondfan

    When assessing CR against the previous 21 Bond films (the first 20 EON productions and NSNA), it becomes clearly evident it is a mid-level entry at most in the series. Even the weakest Connery films - for the sake of argument, that would be DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER and NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN - are still infinitely better than CR simply by virtue of the fact that Connery is playing Bond. There is no way one can even rationally rank Craig's performance on that level. Ask any woman who'd she prefer given a choice, and even that's not a contest. Hell, women all over will STILL choose Connery at his present age over Craig. <p> Compare OHMSS, LIVE AND LET DIE, THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS and GOLDENEYE against CR, as each was a first film for each actor playing the role of Bond. Of the four, I would rank LALD just slightly better than CR, but not by much, and that's due more to the director's stylish handling of the proceedings, the soundtrack and Moore as Bond. OHMSS, on the other hand, is an acknowledged classic finally receiving its due. CR is nowhere in its league. As for THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS, Dalton was a much better Bond than Craig, the soundtrack much superior over CR (John Barry vs David Arnold isn't even a sucker's bet, and as weak as the A-ha theme song was, it was still so much better than the forgettable crap that was featured over the titles in CR), the pre-credits sequence more exciting than CR, not to mention several of the action set pieces (even the fight in the kitchen was better than anything Craig did in CR). As for GOLDENEYE, let's start with the women, villain, title sequence and theme song for starters and go from there, all of which were better than what was featured in CR. CR wasn't even in the same league as THE SPY WHO LOVED ME, nor did any of its action sequences surpass the pre-credit sequence in MOONRAKER. (Let's be honest here, was there anyone here who wasn't really blown away by that mid-air fight, with Bond grabbing the henchman's parachute and letting the guy fall to his death? That took balls just to film that sequence.) So let's be real in assessing how good CR really was, which in actuality wasn't that great.

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Best scene of The Living Daylights...

    by mrswing

    ... was the kitchen scene. It's a sad , sad day when the best hand-to-hand fight scene in a Bond flick doesn't even feature the man himself... (Luckily Licence To Kill put that situation to rights). But Casino Royale is indeed a boring mess. If it wasn't for the parkour chase, which was an adrenaline rush for the normal movie-goer, the film wouldn't have done half as well.

  • Jan. 13, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST

    realbondfan? Take a walk...

    by option2

    Oh dear. Brosnan was indeed talked up an awful lot realbondfan. In with a bang and out with a whimper bless him- no thanks to lee tamahari and the writers (the same ones who got thier act together along with haggis, that guy with the oscar, for CR). They're going for strong charachter and plot, not celebrity photos and chit chat. As for Munich and The Golden Compass, Craigs a supporting actor in them mate- hence his small roles in the TRAILERS (did you even see Munich?) I'll wait while you quickly try and download it so you can try and sound clever... Anyway, a few more things, Never Say Never Again's not an official bond film, but Connery is and was and always will be a legend, maybe it's time to stop the comparisons and judge an actor on his own merits- craig took a risk, and fair play to him for that.Finally most of us lost our hard on for Craig cussing a long time ago- let it go...