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Willie The Lizard Man Says A New V May Be Coming!!

Merrick here...
Robert Englund, who is best known as Freddy Kruger, also starred as the lovable "Willie" on the miniseries V, its sequel V: THE FINAL BATTLE, and the subsequent V: THE SERIES. At the recent London Film and Comic Con, Englund indicated a new V project may be in the works, probably recast with younger folks. This news isn't particularly surprising; V relaunches, sequels, and whatnot seem to be in an almost constant state of formation and upheaval. BABYLON 5's J. Michael Straczynski had V: THE REBIRTH at one point. More recently, original miniseries director/creator/writer Kenneth Johnson was brought in to update his concept...I seem to recall he was actually going to sequelize as opposed to relaunch. I.e. - there's often, if not always, some kinda V going on. Which also means: historically, there's a good chance this undertaking could belly-up like the others. I've always seen V (I don't know if it was officially intended as such) as an allegory to the rise of Hitler: a gargantuan, well-armed force (in this case lizard aliens) overruns civilization, rounds up either the people it needs or the people it deems dangerous, and begins mass experimentation and extermination.
If this new concept is brave enough, maybe it could also be an allegory for something like...say...Iraq? With the aliens equaling the U.S.? Wouldn't be terribly safe and might even be a little controversial, but I think the spirit would be about right. Don't take this as a political comment...just a thought. You can read a bit more at The Hollywood news - which is where this report originated. I always loved Barry De Vorzon's opening music for V: THE FINAL BATTLE. Sounded a bit like TERMINATOR to me until I realized the "ka chuk thuk" percussion was boots snapping...pretty cool in my book.

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  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:10 a.m. CST

    VEEEEEEEEE is for vaj

    by Stuntcock Mike

    I thought Robert Englund was dead.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Oh Dear Merick.

    by raw_bean

    I know you said you didn't want it taken as a political comment, but prepare to be disappointed. You can't mention Iraq in the context of an allegory/reference in film without summoning the shitstorm.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST

    More ripped off stuff from the past...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ... Does anybody have an original idea?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST

    V is the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet!

    by thepurplelantern

    I would love it if this got the old Battlestar Update treatment. Ron Moore will have free time next year!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST

    who cares

    by SithAboveAll

    i dont.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST

    who cares

    by SithAboveAll

    i dont.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Best Miniseries ever. This holds up so well too.

    by modlight

    Sure some effects don't but as a story its pretty amazing.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Aliens as the US (eye roll)

    by drmidnite

    If the whole US/Iraq thing wasn't as tired as it is in Battlestar Craptacula – I don't think we need any more of it. I'll be buying V: The Second Generation from Amazon in November. That's the only V I want to see, not some poorly thought out "reimagined" crap with a Hollywood liberal agenda that Kevin Smith, Joss Whedon and the like can cream themselves over. Bring back Mike Ironside as Ham Tyler for fuck's sake!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Must have the lizardbaby crawling out during childbirth

    by SpyGuy

    Easily the coolest thing to ever be showcased in both of the two mini-series and the regular series.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:22 a.m. CST

    "Damn scientists!"

    by brainscramble

    They just need to keep the original theme of unswerving and unquestioning loyalty to one's (apparently benevolent) rulers and have the audience interpret it however they want, whether as a metaphor for Hitler, or whatever. Just don't beat us over the head with a certain political point of view. Also, there needs to be a lizard baby.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST


    by brainscramble

    beat me to it.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Wow. Just wow.

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    The remakes never end.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Sometimes I wish for a real alien invasion...

    by tonagan

    Then we wouldn't have to deal with this "allegory" nonsense anymore.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Yes, the U.S. is like invading lizard aliens

    by PVIII

    on a mission to exterminate all middle easterners. you suck.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Cant' they still do a Nazi Allegory?

    by modlight

    It worked well and it's not like the original was made in 1945 and talking about the times.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Nazi allegory? Really?

    by Anagrama

    You're not sure they intended it as a nazi allegory? So all the aliens in their elaborate uniforms goose-stepping around was unintentional. And how about where the holocaust survivor said, "This is just like what happened in Germany!"

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Thats so funny. When I read the word allegory...

    by Cotton McKnight

    I was actually impressed. I thought wow, someone on this site didnt go for the cliche "Iraq" analogy. Then I read the second half of the article. Whoops! The stupidity I see around here amazes me.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    aspect ratio

    by treadwell

    why are these 4x3 clips reformatted at 16x9?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST

    I want my Sci-Fi to legitimize my political view.

    by Diagnostic

    That aliens and cylons are hot women. <br> Yeah.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST

    JMS? I wonder if thats the "secret" project

    by TheHichhiker

    For a while now JMS been mentioning a secret project he could not talk about, which was most likely a remake or adaptation of something known - the only clue he gave was "start watching the skies" - sounds like this might be it.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST


    by uss cygnus

    Today, at the same time young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrats' manic obsession to bring down our commander in chief. What has happened to the party I've spent my life working in? I can remember when Democrats believed that it was the duty of America to fight for freedom over tyranny. It was Democratic President Harry Truman who pushed the Red Army out of Iran, who came to the aid of Greece when Communists threatened to overthrow it, who stared down the Soviet blockade of West Berlin by flying in supplies and saving the city. Time after time in our history, in the face of great danger, Democrats and Republicans worked together to ensure that freedom would not falter. But not today. Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today's Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator. And nothing makes this Marine madder than someone calling American troops occupiers rather than liberators. Tell that to the one-half of Europe that was freed because Franklin Roosevelt led an army of liberators, not occupiers. Tell that to the lower half of the Korean Peninsula that is free because Dwight Eisenhower commanded an army of liberators, not occupiers. Tell that to the half a billion men, women and children who are free today from the Poland to Siberia, because Ronald Reagan rebuilt a military of liberators, not occupiers. Never in the history of the world has any soldier sacrificed more for the freedom and liberty of total strangers than the American soldier. And, our soldiers don't just give freedom abroad, they preserve it for us here at home. For it has been said so truthfully that it is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the agitator, who has given us the freedom to protest. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, who gives that protester the freedom he abuses to burn that flag. No one should dare to even think about being the commander in chief of this country if he doesn't believe with all his heart that our soldiers are liberators abroad and defenders of freedom at home. But don't waste your breath telling that to the leaders of my party today. In their warped way of thinking, America is the problem, not the solution. They don't believe there is any real danger in the world except that which America brings upon itself through our clumsy and misguided foreign policy. It is not their patriotism, it is their judgment that has been so sorely lacking. They claimed Carter's pacifism would lead to peace. They were wrong. They claimed Reagan's defense buildup would lead to war. They were wrong. -Zell Miller (D) Georgia 9/1/04

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Why does everyone conveniently forget Saddam Hussein?

    by Cotton McKnight

    I simply don't understand this. The impression I get from many is that Iraq was over there, minding their own business, in their happy little utopia, when the big mean bully came over and kicked out a beloved leader. No, that's not what happened. Saddam Hussein was pure evil. He tortured people. He deprived his country while he lived in mansions. <br><br>Exactly how would you accomplish this in a V miniseries? What, the aliens would come to earth and occupy us because our leaders abuse its citizens? That doesn't fly, because we would ALWAYS be sympathetic to the earthlings, which in effect justifies terrible leaders like Hussein. Plus, the lizard people have no active interest in our planet before the invasion. We do. We dealt with Iraq and they were a continuous nuisance- either by sidestepping the UN or by aiding terrorists. What did Earth ever do to the lizards?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    And I'll tell you something else,

    by Diagnostic

    Dean Stockwell as an alien bad guy defines Jump-the-Shark.<br> <BR> yea. Dean Stockwell is on the opposite side of my political view.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Why is there always a nerd fanbase...

    by Kid Z

    ... for the lamest 80's crap? What's next? A big budget Manimal feature?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    You cant get a shitstorm.

    by BillyPilgrim

    If nobody gives a shit. Embrace Apathy.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Uh... Sorry Cygnus?

    by Kid Z

    ... I must have missed that whole Invasion of Poland and Siberia thing during the 80's. Maybe I was partying too hard?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    I loved V!!!!

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    Big part of my childhood. I also see it as an allagory for the rise of Nazism. The first part was very emotive, with Scientist being cast as the Jews. Being rounded up, and being hidden by neighbours. Very powerful stuff on a kids mind. Plus they ate guinee pigs! <p>You just don forget shot like that! lol

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Geez and you're actually quoting...

    by Kid Z

    ... That nutcase ol' Zig Zag Zell? To make your point, which is a valid one though I don't agree with it... quote sane people instead.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    Are those the best clips you could find?

    by Merlox

    Cause they were complete shit. I've never watched this series(and I may still if i's that good). It was well before my time but those youtube videos were so snore inducing I could barely finish.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    I remember very little about V as a kid...

    by rbatty024

    and what I saw of it must have been a rebroadcast since I don't think I was even born when the original V aired, but I do remember it scaring the shit out of my three year old mind. I wonder how it holds up years later.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    I remember playing V on my C64 computer

    by Gorgomel

    i've always wondered if there was a way to finish this game!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    I Thought V Was For "Vendetta"

    by PoppaRotzi

    With today's CGI upgrades, this may actually work...I say bring back Jane Badler now!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    V was the bomb ...

    by Itchy

    I loved that show when I was a kid. When The Beastmaster busted into the big alien spaceship and found the vats filled with people for food ? Coolest thing ever (except for when The Beastmaster whacked Rip Torn at the end of The Beastmaster). If they can successfully remake Battlestar Galactica, V should be a sinch.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Here comes another joyless political slapfest

    by Mullah Omar

    Talkbacks where people go after each others' politics are the least entertaining on this site. I have no doubt that this one will live down to my expectations. By the way, I love "V" and would be happy to see a well-crafted remake. As good as the original was, there is a lot of room for improvement.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST

    You could now do it as an allegory to the Bush administ

    by Demosthenes2

    ration. They're not exactly Nazis, but it's interesting when science fiction reflects the politics of now. I believe V was inspired by the first act of Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Your insight is truly amazing

    by Thick McRunFast

    Yeah, the Nazi allegory in "V" gives a new meaning to the word "thinly-veiled", Merrick. The "Visitor Youth Core", the propaganda posters, even the Visitors symbol looked like a swastika. And if you want an Iraq allegory with humans as suicide-bombing insurgents, Battlestar Galactica did it last season. Kthxbye.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Where were the US/alien analogies when Clinton was...

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    Bombing Milosevic and the former Yugoslavia?<br><br>Why, nowhere, of course 'cause precision-guided missiles just work BETTER when a Democrat is in the White House.<br><br>Where were the US/alien invader analogies when Clinton was ordering US warships to Haiti to depose a dictator (just before Jimmy Effin' Carter stepped in and Clinton had to back the ships off for fear of accidentally killing a former president)?<br><br>Why, nowhere, of course, because US warships and naval personnel are only thuggish, murdering rapists when a Republican's in the White House.<br><br>Y'know, I had my own share of political paranoia during the 1990s, but I now know that the world will continue on a course regardless of WHO is in office and WHICH PARTY he (or she) belongs to. Liberal, conservative, Democrat, or Republican, our lives stay pretty much the same no matter who's in the White House, same level of unemployment, free speech, etc.<br><br>That having been said, I can't wait until a Democrat wins the White House so that *I* can start production on MY movies about him or her - Hitlery Clinton in 2008!<br><br>How's this for a title for my faux documentary - The Death of President Hitlery Clinton. It'll explore the socio-economic ramifications of Hitlery's assassination and the end of a civil liberties in this country when the witch-hunt to find the assassins begins. ;)<br><br>Of course, my shit will all be tongue-in-cheek unlike the rabid fools who actually BELIEVE that "George Bush is taking away our freedoms!" Hitlery Clinton, bwahahahaha!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Marc Singer.

    by Jugs

    For a guy with a face like a squashed monkey, he sure was sexy!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    V was a BLATANT Nazi allegory...

    by Playkins

    Even the uniforms, colors and insignia of the Visitors looked like Nazi stuff. I remember seeing this when I was 10 back in the merry 'ol 80's and thinking it was obvious back then. Also interesting is the reliance on heavy archetypes with the Visitors. The bad people wear RED, and really look like reptiles (which are always evil). Just once I'd like to see scifi where the evil extraterrestrials look like fuzzy bunny rabbits.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    All that political shit aside...

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    I really enjoyed V during the 1980s. I would love to see it redone/updated.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    If they create a new V

    by SwampDonkey

    I may buy a TV. Must have Michael Ironside being a bad motherfucker.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Just once...

    by Thick McRunFast

    I'd like to see a conservative discuss politics online without him/her sliding into self-parody. No such luck with "Elvis Cole Lives" above.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Evil extraterrestrial fuzzy bunny rabbits!

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    THAT is the best fuckin' idea that I've EVER seen on AICN. Fuck, Playkins, that shit is excellent!<br><br>They sucker us in with their cute little fuzzy bodies and twitching noses and then...<br><br>GIANT FANGS!!!!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Nope, Thick McRunFast

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    But I am willing to learn. Can you teach me? Pretty please.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST


    by BangoSkank

    V might have been an allegory for the rise of the Nazi party? What gave it away? The old Jewish lady hiding the family in her attic? The uniforms? The fact that it was repeatedly compared to the rise of the Nazis in the movies?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    The conservative argument...

    by Kid Z

    ... eventually always, ALWAYS boils down to, "B-but... but CLINTON..."

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    V wasn't too bad until the end when...

    by chrisd

    the human/lizard girl started glowing. What was that about? Kinda ruined it. In the novelization, she was just super smart and reprogrammed it. (The novelization!?! Wow, I am a geek...)

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    They should do an allegory on that ass Bill Clinton.

    by modlight

    They could take a chapter from his illustrious reign where he tried to cover up the press on his affair with Lewinsky by bombing a foreign country and saying he was going after some terrorist leader named Bin Laden. What the fuck did that guy ever do to us? Using imperialism to cover up your sexual indiscretions, really classy, and very Lizard like don't you think?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Like most young liberals

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    Merrick (God love him) thinks that his point of view is so UNIQUE and BRILLIANT and that no one but the SELECT FEW sees things that he does.<br><br>Oh, look at me, I'm so smart; I've seen the analogy to Nazism in V. Nobody else in the whole wide world could ever possibly be as bright as me. Therefore, nobody else could have seen this REALLY WELL-HIDDEN STUFF.<br><br>Oh, oh, and I once saw a talkbacker that said "Bush = Hitler!"<br><br>HEY, maybe they can update V with the aliens representing Bush and the neo-cons!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, noon CST

    "I wonder if this means I'll get more alimony?"

    by brokentusk

    Hahaha! Jesus that clip was lame.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:01 p.m. CST


    by Thick McRunFast

    A lot was different about Johnson's original pitch; NBC didn't show much interest until he cranked up the sci-fi and toned down the Nazi stuff. (I think it was much more about a modern-day occupation of the U.S., a la RED DAWN.) I don't believe he had anything at all to do with the second miniseries, a.k.a. THE FINAL BATTLE. I'm sure Wikipedia has more on this if you're that curious.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Most likely it will use Lost as a template.

    by hank henshaw

    Just like so many series have done as of late.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST

    V was AWESOME!!

    by Neo Zeed

    And the theme song still kicks ass! 80s themes are always the best.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:06 p.m. CST

    V with the aliens representing Bush and the neo-cons

    by smackfu

    Actually the first V series did make that allegory also. In the end the Visitors leadership was shown to be ignorant, incompetent, and having grossly underestimated the resolve and stubbornness of the people they invaded. Also, Visitors tv was very reminscent of Fox News, where human newscasters were essentially puppets reading a script handed down by the Visitors so that all news shed a good light on them.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Look what I found

    by Thick McRunFast

    Johnson's written a book, "V: THE SECOND GENERATION" (that's a little derivative for sci-fi, Ken), which is coming out next month and wants to develop it into another miniseries. Could this be what Englund is referring to?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST


    by 24200124

    Yes - "V" was originally intended as a "what-if", postulating that fascism would rise in America and what a small band of resistance fighters would do. When Kenneth Johnson pitched his idea, a network executive asked if it could be translated to a science-fiction format. Johnson agreed, and the rest is history. His involvement with the "V" pantheon ended when creative differences arose during the scripting of "The Final Battle" - hence, the declining quality of the sequel and the resulting series (which, after viewing it on DVD, can be called absolute dogshit). They totally went away from whatever "historical allegory" he wanted to bring to the series and they started making it a straightforward action piece. However, he has got a new book called "V: The Second Generation" coming out in October. I've already got it on my Amazon wishlist; rumor has it that he's been approached to make this book into a new mini-series. I'm looking forward to this wholeheartedly - I loved "V" when I was a kid and with the DVD of the original mini-series, I love it even more. Bring on the lizards!!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Faye Grant was hot

    by snowpuff

    That is all.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    V was amazing

    by kwisatzhaderach

    The first two mini-series were tremendous. They should make a full-blooded sequel ignoring the weekly series, which was awful. The aliens invade again after 20 years and Donovan and Julie and Tyker reunite with some young uns to kick all kinds of alien ass. Of course they'll hire some MTV video director who doesn't know his ass from his elbow and some bland moppets and totally screw it up.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    So was Jane Badler.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    WRONG, Kid Z

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    So I don't know what conservatives that you've been arguing with, but you need to find yourself a better class of conservatives.<br><br>Simply because the hypocrisies of the "anti-war" protesters is pointed out in THIS INSTANCE by illustrating that they weren't so protective of poor innocent civilians and foreign dictators in the 1990s, by no means indicates that EVERY argument boils down to "B-but... but CLINTON..."<br><br>Let me give you some examples - William F. Buckley, famed conservative pundit hardly ever boils an argument down to "B-but... but CLINTON..."<br><br>Furthermore, modern conservatism pretty much began with the Goldwater campaign back in 1964 when "B-bubba Butt Clinton" was still looking up girls skirts from under the bleachers in Arkansas. Now, last I checked, NO ONE in the conservative movement made ANY references to Bubba Butt Clinton from Mommafuck, Arkansas until 1992. That's 28 years by my count.<br><br>The same, however, cannot be said for the "BLANK=Hitler/Republicans=Nazis" crowd. As early as 1964, student protester, like, activists, y'know, man, were like protesting Goldwater and all man, y'know? And, like, guess what they were like sayin', man. They were like callin' him Hitler, man, and saying that like Republicans were like Nazis, man. (btw, none of the preceding was a reflection on you, Kid Z, just the protesters, man).<br><br>So, conservatives have been articulating points of view free from Clinton references and arguments since 1964, but the ol' ""BLANK=Hitler/Republicans=Nazis" crowd has been making the same baseless, result-ignoring charge since 1964 (43 YEARS!!!!). During that 43 years, we've had 16 years of Democrat presidents (LBJ, JC, and BC himself) and 27 years of Republican presidents (Tricky Dick, Ford, Reagan, Bush, and Bush), but nary a sign of the goose-stepping brown-shirt-wearing night of the long knives. Nonetheless, every fuckin' election year, it's yet another "BLANK=Hitler/Republicans=Nazis" flower power, kumbaya chant from the fried brain crowd.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:17 p.m. CST

    if I wanted to see a good nazi allegory I'd watch

    by PVIII

    Starship Troopers. That movie is the bomb, yo! Bring on Starship Troopers: Marauders!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Fascism, oppression, and all that stuff...

    by chrisd

    who cares about any of that? What that's have to do with the real world? >;>}

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST


    by chrisd

    thanks. I figured it was something like that. Jon Peters didn't work at NBC, did he?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Like I said...

    by Thick McRunFast

    Self-parody. And general whining like a bitch.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST


    by Thick McRunFast

    No - if Jon Peters worked at NBC, "V" would've ended with the attack of a huge robot spider.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Enough political talk!

    by snowpuff

    Let's talk about when Jane Badler interrogated Faye Grant with that weird machine and the lesbian undertones.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    You know what? I'm an ass

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    Fuckin' A, gotta drop the political shit and just revel in how fuckin' good the first V was. My apologies to one and all. Let's just concentrate on how liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, would kick holy fuckin' helll out of ALL (SPACE) ALIEN INVADERS! Damn, V, was a helluva show! Gonna download and watch that shit right now!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST


    by chrisd

    and polar bears and gay robots!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:25 p.m. CST

    V part V

    by LarryTheCableGuy

    hell yea more reptillians more motherships more michael ironsides. v was the best, like star wars on earth. i couldnt be happier if they brought this back. the political tie-ins and the david icke/michael tsarion etc. lectures help make this series mythical. i can't wait.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST

    BangoSkank: Besides pointing out the obvious....

    by Playkins

    My point was that no one could POSSIBLY miss the symbolism. Personally, I can't stand it when sci-fi bashes you over the head with allegory. That's why Planet of the Apes was so good and Beneath the Planet of the Apes was so lame. POTA told a great story with more subtle undertones of the civil rights movement. BTPOTA went over the top with a anti-war sublot that showed demonstrators, pushed the chimp/gorilla/orangutan division to ludicrously literal levels. Even in the clip above you see the "Old Jew #1" that alone is alarmed by the fantastic events. It's like execs were behind the camera shouting "MORE FASCISM!!!"

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Hey, McRunFast

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    Do you even know what "self-parody" means? Just curious.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST

    I do

    by Thick McRunFast

    Although in your case, it's unintentional self-parody; peppering responses with "Hitlery" and "b-but Clinton" rationales belongs on Free Republic with the rest of the wingnuts, not here.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    THE SECOND GENERATION is a new sequel miniseries

    by SpyGuy

    Here's the book description of the new novel from Play close attention to the news about a new TV mini-series. "Millions thrilled to Kenneth Johnson's hugely popular mini-series "V," an action filled drama of alien invasion, a TV event that was also a number one bestselling novel. <b>Now, in a new novel based on the sequel miniseries currently being developed for TV,</b> the tension between The Visitors and Earth's human inhabitants has reached a boiling point. The reptilian Visitors, who cleverly portray themselves as Earth's protectors, are anything but. Our oceans are being drained in order to fuel the aliens' motherships, and our scientists are treated like wanted criminals. And they have pods of preserved humans destined for even more sinister purposes. But hope is not lost. A small, yet resourceful Resistance risks everything to undermine the Visitors' stranglehold on Earth's people. Despite their heroic efforts, without more help they will be crushed by the Visitors and their human militia. Just when Earth's doom seems inevitable, agents of an alien civilization from another planet arrive in answer to humanity's desperate call for help. But can these other aliens be trusted? Or might we defeat one alien overlord, only to be delivered into the hands of another, equally as oppressive? Time is running out for the Resistance, for when the Visitors' Leader arrives, the aliens will complete their mission on Earth, with devastating consequences for all life on the planet."

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST


    by XAOS

    Of course it was a Nazi allegory. I think it may have been in the book Guerilla PR, but I read the story of the pitch meeting for the first mini that was being as a fascist/Nazi takeover of the USA. Johnson saw that he was losing the interest/attention of the execs and so just off the top of his head said "and the Nazis are from outer space."

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Ah, so it's just that you can't read and follow

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    You see, I never made a "b-but Clinton" rationale. You might want to read the post before you ascribe a "b-but Clinton" rationale to someone. Simply seeing that phrase in a post ("b-but Clinton") doesn't mean that it's used as a rationale.<br><br>Do you know what "rationale" means?<br><br>MY use of "b-but Clinton" was in response to another who used the phrase claiming that every conservative uses this as a justification of his or her principles. I illustrated (using the phrase "b-but Clinton" in the argument) that Clinton is NOT used in every argument by conservatives, explaining at length that modern conservative-liberal discussion has been ongoing since 1964 and cited one person who rarely references Clinton. In no way shape or form did I use anything that Bill Clinton did as a "rationale" ("explanation or excuse") for anything that I or a conservative has or have done. You sharp enough to get THAT?<br><br>All right, now, my use of HITLERY is a parody of those who used the Bush=Hitler analogy, not a self-parody of any actual tool who believes that Hillary Clinton=Adolph Hitler. You follow that? I parody (and explained the parody) those who've ignorantly equated Bush/Reagan/Bush/Ford/Nixon/Goldwater to Hitler. But, if you were smart enough to read and understand, you'd have gotten that and this bandwidth need never have been wasted.<br><br>Still, I feel compelled to help the ignorant in need...

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    So will these...

    by chrisd

    alien newcomers (>;>}) be communists? Maybe they will be panda bear humanoids. Will our government give up our ability to make anything for ourselves? Will they come to save us and give us toys filled with poison? Another shaky cam show.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Yes! Update the Hitler allegory...

    by Subversive01057 a Bush Administartion allegory. Show what happens when an administration, a political party, and a country, is destroyed from within its members elect a bunch of corrupt, power-hungry liars bent on spreading war and fear in a cynical attempt to destroy democracy and boost profits, and then put an incompetent boob right up on top--as they join forces with human eating monsters from space. Would it piss of some Republicans? Sure. But who cares? They really do have it coming at this point.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST

    I don't know why V...

    by chrisd

    with its lizard people, would make anyone think of Hillary and Bill. >;>}

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST


    by Thick McRunFast

    You compared Serbia and Haiti to Iraq, which means you're not exactly the genius you believe yourself to be. It's kinda stupid to try to spin comments you make that can be double-checked with just a few turns of the mouse wheel.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by BangoSkank

    My post wasn't directed at you, but at Merrick. Normally I leave the AICN staff alone, because it's a free site that has given me endless hours of entertainment... but I've never seen anyone take credit for stating the obvious so profoundly before and had to make fun of him.... not you.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Besides, Republicans will always have...

    by Subversive01057


  • Sept. 7, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Replicans actually aliens in diguise: "Fucking figures"

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    - Roddy Piper THEY LIVE.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST


    by toshiro-solo

    Node is dead on - you could have made the argument that Saddam was a total piece of crap and that because he was a total piece of crap, we had to go in and take him out. The problem with that argument is that there are LOTS of people that you could make that argument about, and we're not invading all of their countries. More to the point, though - that's NOT the argument that the administration made as to why we HAD TO go into Iraq. Instead, the rationale presented was that the Iraqi leadership was in league with Al Qaeda and/or that they possessed weapons of mass destruction that were an imminent threat to U.S. safety. Based on these rationale (that is - the rationale PRESENTED BY THE ADMINISTRATION), we had no business invading, since BOTH of those reasons were totally unfounded. Whether the administration knew that these reasons were unfounded is another question altogether, and I don't know which would be worse - that they were so totally wrong in their intel, or that they had good intel and consciously chose to misrepresent it.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    BangoSkank: Gotcha

    by Playkins

    My bad.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Please dont fuck around and rape more of my childhood

    by redfist

    I LOVE V. One of the high points of my childhood....I remember going to school the next day and every kids was nuts for it and waiting for the next show. Merric, thinly veil reference to Nazis is the biggest DUHHHHHHHH I have ever seen posted here. If you look at the sign for the visitors, it is almost like a swizica(sp). I loved the theme song thanx for posting it...yeah it rips of terminator, it still 80s cool................lastly, I hope they dont re-do this, period, they will make shades of Iraq and Bush and Nazis and guina pig eatting lizards....fuck that

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    "Americans who hate America"

    by Cruel_Kingdom

    We don't hate America, we hate what you fuckers are trying to turn America into.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST


    by Sir Loin

    You're telling people to "grow up" while calling them names like "redneck neo-cons"? HAHAHA. Corner liberals, the namecalling begins. I remember that sort of thing occurring back in elementary school.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Fuck Allegories

    by _Maltheus_

    <p>None have them have stopped the rise of fascism in this country. If someone were to write a book describing America today and bring it back to the 80s presenting it as fiction, they'd say it was an even more thinly veiled allegory for WWII than V was. Right down to the burning of the Reichstag and the enabling act. I love Cygnus' examples though since they carefully point out that we use to defend people who were invaded. Too bad that he seems to miss the irony that we're the ones doing the invading this time over ... hmmm, what was it again? The reason use to change every month. Life is far, far worse there now then it ever was under Sadaam. But I do strongly agree that any country that allows torture is evil. This time it was Cotton who was totally clueless on the irony of his statement. And god know our politicians don't do anything to deprive us while they live in their tiny little shacks.</p> <p>That being said, I loved V as a kid. They would need to grow it up a bit. But as much as I loved it back then, I'm just sick to death of Hollywood, stuck in recycle mode. Where's the free market? Where are the upstarts taking advantage of Hollywood's creative malaise? I mean, my god, I'd pay really good money for something new and innovative. Is it just that Hollywood has become so institutionalized and weighed down by nepotism, or has America as a whole lost it's ability to invent? Whatever, I guess I'll give it a shot, realize it sucks and then move on. If I'm lucky I'll hear how much it sucks before I even give it a shot, ala Flash Gordon.</p>

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Merrick's retarded point of views....

    by Supermans

    So now the US is as evil as Hitler and we murder civilians and use our power for evil..Give me a friggin break. With all power the US has militarily, then why didn't we simply destroy Iraq completely with a few nukes and lay waste to other enemies and dictators? Instead we are sacrificing our own soldiers and trying to help Iraq re-build their country from an already evil dictator that was in place and controlling with an iron fist. If you can't see that you are retarded..

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    I was thinking (because I've got nothing better to do)

    by Playkins

    You know what would be the way to play this thing? The Visitors have been here awhile in disguise. Instead of a frontal assault, they've been pulling the strings in government and business to royall screw up the economy and create a complete division in classes. Teir idea is that if they can separate the tough, white-collar americans from the elite upper class and give the lower class no hope or reason to fight, they can essentially blow us over when the big ships come. Mike Donovan and company find out and become "terrorists" (freedom fighters). Would certainly be more pertinent and less obvious than the Iraq war.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST


    by Elvis Cole Lives

    1. "Yes, Saddam was a brutal dictator (no one said he wasn't)."<br><br>I guess that depends upon your definition of "said." Ever seen Fahrenheit 911? Michael Moore certainly presents a bucolic view of Iraq under Saddam Hussein prior to the invasion by U.S. and coalition forces. So, say he's not a brutal dicator? No. Imply he's not a brutal dictator through selective use of peaceful imagery? Certainly.<br><br>2. "[Saddam] wasn't 'pure evil.' There's no such thing. Grow up."<br><br>You're dead right here. The man who<br><br>a. Razed the entire town of Dujail (killing 140 men and imprisoning 1,500 other men, women, and children for an assassintation attempt by a handful of men),<br><br>b. Ordered the extermination of the Northern Kurds in the al-Anfal campaign (killing more than 182,000 men, women, and children, many of them with the WMD - mustard gas),<br><br>c. Dumped 10 million Kuwaiti barrels of oil into the Persian Gulf,<br><br>d. Executed all Baath party members who opposed him on a nationally televised program,<br><br>e. Allowed his son to run "rape rooms,"<br><br>f. Ordered the machine-gunning of peaceful protesters, and<br><br>g. Ordered the deaths of the children of those who opposed him was NOT PURE EVIL. He loved puppies and gave gave to "charity" (but more on his "charity" work in a moment).<br><br>3. "[T]here are a lot of brutal dictators around the world and we aren't galavanting around those countries are we?" (I've never understood this argument. Are you saying that we should be galavanting around or that we shouldn't?) "That's because the way to oust a brutal dictator is through sanctions and diplomacy, not going into a country and obliterating it's infrastructure, dismantling it's entire army, and putting a rival minority political/religous faction in power as a puppet government." (Ah, okay, you give terms for galavanting around ousting brutal dictators. Gotcha.)<br><br>Sanctions and diplomacy work to oust brutal dictators? Gulf War I ended in 1991 and was immediately followed with international (when the French and Marc Rich weren't cheating) sanctions and diplomacy against Saddam Hussein. End result? In 2003, twelve (12) years later, Saddam is STILL in power, STILL shooting at no-fly zone jets, STILL expelling and playing hide-and-seek games with UN "diplomatic" weapons inspectors, STILL killing Kurds and Marsh Arabs, and STILL trying to figure out how to get THE BOMB. In fact, forget about Iraqi dictators for a moment, the U.S. has had a trade and diplomatic embargo with Cuban dictator Fidel Castro for over forty-five (45!!!!) years. So, it looks like "sanctions and diplomacy" are out. When EXACTLY do "diplomacy and sanctions" work 'cause it's definitely post 12 and post 45 years?<br><br>Is it also your belief that Hitler, once he'd been pushed back behind the Rhine, should have been attacked with "diplomacy and sanctions" in order to oust the brutal dictator and prevent Allied bombing damage to German infrastructure? I hear that Hitler's dogs liked him, too, and that he was kind to orphans.<br><br>According to recent news reports as well as a recent report by the CFR, Iraq's "infrastructure" was crumbling BEFORE the invasion due to DIPLOMACY AND SANCTIONS!!!! Saddam couldn't get the parts he needed and those he got he diverted to military uses, thus, crumbling infrastructures. These same news and CFR reports tell us that continued problems with the infrastructure result from "chronic sabatoge and looting." Is it ALSO your contention that U.S. forces are sabatoging and looting the same "infrastructure" that they're trying to rebuild?<br><br>"Dismantling its entire army" is a BAD thing? Really? So let me get this straight - supplying Afghan fighters with weapons against invading Soviets is BAD and taking away weapons from soldiers in an "occupied" country is ALSO BAD?!?!? Which is it, Node32774? Do we risk possible future bad behavior and allow the Iraqi army to stand un-dismantled? If that's the right course of action, you certainly can't criticize Reagan's arming of the Afghans against the Soviets, even in light of what happened with the Taliban. Conversely, if you criticize taking the weapons away from those who fought you (Iraq Army and Saddam's Republican Guard) then you can't criticize arming the "enemy of our enemy."<br><br>"Putting a rival minority political/religous faction in power as a puppet government?" What the fuck are you talking about? Iraqis wrote their constitution and, unfortunately, devised it in such a way that they can't share power. Last I checked (today), Iraq's gov't was at a standstill because two of the sides weren't working together, NOT because a "puppet government" was running "rough shod" over a minority (a Sunni minority, I might add, that actually DID run rough-shod over the Shia/Kurd majority during the not PURE EVIL Saddam's reign).<br><br>4. "There was NO link between Sadaam and al Qaeda." WRONG-O! Links between the two did exist and tenuous "feelers" were extended between al-Qaeda and Saddam between 1999 and 2003, although it's possible that no working relationship was established prior to the U.S. invasion.<br><br>5. "There's al Qaeda squatting in the country now thanks to us but there was no aiding of terrorists." First, I might ask you, where would you rather we be fighting them? We kicked them out of Afghanistan. Now they're in Iraq. Would you rather that, after Afghanistan, twe waited until they massed over here? Or Sudan? Or Canada? Or Germany? Where EXACTLY is it that we should have fought them AFTER Afghanistan? <br><br>That having been asked, now we come to Saddam's "charity" work when you say "there was no aiding of terrorists." As WIDELY reported in INTERNATIONAL media easily accessed by a simple internet search, Saddam Hussein gave $25,000 to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. Now, in your book that's probably charity work, but in my book, that's aiding of terrorists. That's a life insurance policy ONLY for terrorists funded by that charitable saint who is NOT pure evil - Saddam Hussein.<br><br>6. "There were NO weapons of mass destruction. He used them (the ones we gave him by the way) against Iran." This is THE most HILARIOUS statement that I've EVER HEARD on this whole Iraq War debacle. WE (by this you mean the U.S., I take it) gave Saddam Hussein mustard gas to use against the Kurds and other "WMDs"?!??!?! Sure, we armed the guy against the Iranian Ayatollahs, but, last time I checked YOUR argument, dismantling the Iraqi army was a BAD thing. And you're the FIRST GUY that I've EVER heard claim that we gave Saddam the mustard gas that he used against the Kurds. Far out. I mean, really, really, really, FAR OUT.<br><br>7. "We went in there for a single purpose. It was an imperial initiative to gain strategic land in an oil rich country." This is pure idiocy, sophisty at its finest. You are a FOOL.<br><br>The top ten greatest oil reserves by country are Saudi Arabia, Canada, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, UAE, Russia, Venezuela, Libya, and Nigeria. I can pick FOUR easier targets RIGHT NOW than Iraq (Iran, Kuwait, Libya, and Nigeria). (Hell, an invasion of ANWR would be easier than this Iraqi shit!) But even if your argument weren't on its face ludicrous, how do you reconcile it with that fact that four (4!!!) years later the U.S. still hasn't been paid back ONE PENNY from the Iraq oil reserves that we supposedly covet?<br><br>8. "[W]e have killed far more innocent Iraqis than Saddam ever did." Really? Really? Where do you get your statistics from and are you parsing words with "innocent?" The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq under Saddam. Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam's needless war with Iran. Now, I ain't saying that EVENTUALLY the death toll of "innocent" Iraqis couldn't surpass Saddam's, but right now we're not even close and also fails to take into account (IGNORES) that, uninvaded, Saddam might well have gone on to continue murdering "innocent" Iraqis at the rate of about 100 per day or 160,000 more since March 20, 2003. All those little "death count" sites seem to forget this. Weird, huh? So,...<br><br>Why can't YOU get THAT though YOUR head?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    V is for Victory

    by abner pepper

    Go tell your friends.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Easy Answers Supermans

    by _Maltheus_

    Why didn't we nuke Iraq? Political reasons, the world would turn against us. That doesn't mean we didn't bomb the shit out of it. That hasn't stopped us from turning it into a radioactive wasteland with the tons of depleted uranium (i.e. dirty bombs) we dumped there (which is having a serious affect on more than half of the 1991 Gulf War vets). As for civilian deaths, surely the 77,000 plus dead (by the most conservative, confirmed, scrubbed estimates -- much higher in reality) are enough to atone for 9/11. Not that they had anything to do with it in the first place, but isn't it enough for your blood lust? As for sacrificing our own soldiers, I assure you that Bush doesn't give half a shit about them so he doesn't consider it a sacrifice. It's win-win for people like him. My question for your type is how come they didn't invade Pakistan instead? They actually have nukes. Reports say that Osama bin Laden has been hiding there. They're run by a dictator who's barely in control and the intelligence agency is in bed with a number of terrorist organizations. Why would Iraq be near the top of anybodies list when their secular government was as despised by the terrorists as our own?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Yes, I compared Serbia and Haiti to Iraq

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    Whether I'm a "genius" or NOT I certainly know that doing so is not a "b-but Clinton" rationale or self-parody. See, it's ALSO "kinda stupid" to make assertions about what someone said when you "can be double-checked with just a few turns of the mouse wheel."<br><br>While you may agree or disagreeing with the calling of hypocrisy on those who were too busy singing Kumbaya in the 1990s to protest air bombings of Serbia and a potential invasion of Haiti, it was by no means "b-but Clinton" or self-parody.<br><br>You see, you may disagree with the comparisons, but I certainly never justified anything based on 'b-but Clinton' as you asserted. Therefore, you were (and are) wrong.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    No one mentioned Clinton until 1992...

    by Kid Z

    ... Well, yeah... DUH! But since then it always comes up! (Just like it did with your mention of "Bubba" in Arkansas... so predictable.) Thanks for helping me prove my point. Republicans = Nazis? Naw! I agree with you, that's just wrong and a cheap shot (kind of like your "Bubba looking up skirts" reference). Actually, it should go no further than "Republicans = Jerks." Or, in the case of Larry "Wide Stance" Craig, "Republicans = Hypocritical Jerks". And as for Blank = Hitler? Let's fill in that blank with Bush. Again, this is just wrong. Hitler was one of the most evil dictators in human history. Bush is just an incompetent tool. So let's change that comparison to : "Bush = Ass Clown". Better, and closer to the reality of the situation. Oh, but I forgot, you conservatives don't live in the "reality-based community" do you? So I guess I'll unilaterally end this silly argument to let you saddle up your vegetarian T-Rex and ride on out of here. Cheers!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    This Could Be Good

    by The Green Monster

    If done right, ala Galactica, this has a chance of being very good. If they do a sequal to the original they could do something about the enemies of the visitors coming to Earth.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    According to Kenneth Johnson's website...

    by chappai Kenneth Johnson's much-anticipated new novel will be released in hardcover by Tor Books on October 2, 2007. The novel is currently in development as a new mini-series with Warner Bros. ** POSSIBLE SPOILERS ** The novel picks up the epic story 20 years after the original arrival of the alien Visitors. Anyone coming to V for the first time will be immediately swept up into the Brave New World which The Visitors have created. By bringing many benefits to humankind The Visitors have seduced the majority of earth's people into believing they have our best interests at heart. But the brave people of The Resistance know the horrifying truth and are struggling to save humanity before it's too late. Then, at their darkest hour, The Resistance discovers startling new Allies who have come to help. ...Or have they? V - The Second Generation is a tense, fast-paced, riveting exploration of how ordinary people react to the perils of life under nightmarish wartime occupation. And how such enormous pressures bring out the worst -- or the most heroic -- in human nature.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    According to david Icke

    by emeraldboy

    We are ruled by 12ft tall blood drinking reptile aliens. here is the scary part lots of people and that is american people pack out his talks. and they really do.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Bush Analogy?

    by fat bears

    So, the aliens sweep in and destroy most everything. Then they explain their benevolent intentions but aside from how well intentioned they are they always seem to come up with a different explanation for why they attacked. Planetary-stratergery? Disrupting the local solar system to introduce a new form of government? The threat they thought we posed what with our potential to acquire weapons of inter-galactic destruction? And then, under pressure from their home planet, they apologize, congratulate us on our new freedoms and leave? That'd be a shitty movie....

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    All right, Kid Z

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    So in a totally disagreeing kind of way, we agree (although in NO WAY did I prove your point that conservatives "always" bring up "b-but Clinton).<br><br>Let me see if I can help you at all. I'll give it a shot.<br><br>See, the "b-but Clinton" argument comes up and is used to point out supposed hypocrisies. No conservative would EVER use Clinton as a JUSTIFICATION for anything. Period. Instead, the 'b-but Clinton' argument is used, if at all, to point out inconsistencies in liberals or Democratic points of view.<br><br>For instance, I have ABSOLUTELY no problem with free speech, protest, and anti-war philosophies, especially when they're consistent and principled. If you're against all "bombings of innocent civilians," "invasions of sovereing nations," war, in general, you should be against all of these not just when it happens to be the party you least identify with in power. It's just always struck me as funny that these same yahoos couldn't be found ANYWHERE during the conflicts and bombings in Somalia, Bosnia, and Haiti, suddenly are coming out of the woodwork during Iraq. If you're against war, you should be against all wars, including those instigated by Democrats. Otherwise, you're just a hypocrite who's only against Republican wars. <br><br>You think all Republicans are "jerks." That's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I happen to know a few Republicans and some of them ARE jerks. Just like some Democrats are. And some Republicans are hypocrites, too. Just like some Democrats are.<br><br>For instance, Bob Packwood, a Republican senator, was roundly castigated by "liberals" and Democrats for sexual harassment in the early 1990s (sexual misconduct, abuse, harassment, and assault). Yet, when the exact same charges are leveled by a variety of women against Clinton, we hear nary a peep from Patricia Ireland and the rest of the usual suspects. Again, hypocrisy.<br><br>Which brings us to Larry "Wide Stance" Craig's hypocrisy. What is it exactly 'cause I don't get it?<br><br>Is it hypocritical that Larry Craig didn't claim he was just drunk and needed "counseling" but was on his way to a midnight vote in Washington and, therefore, Constitutionally couldn't be detained? Is that what makes him a hypocrite? Would that have been better?<br><br>Or maybe he's a hypocrite because he didn't accept bribes from undercover agents then commandeer a Katrina rescue boat to go "rescue" his refrigerator full of illegal cash and subsequently cry "foul" when the FBI raided his Congressional office! Maybe that's why he's a hypocrite?<br><br>Is it because he's not a New Jersey state lawmaker or mayor? Is that why he's a hypocrite?<br><br>Oh, I know! Maybe he should have said that it depends on what the meaning of the words 'foot tapping' are. Because he didn't debate the meaning of 'foot tapping' with Special Counsel he's a hypocrite!<br><br>So, Bush an "ass clown?" Maybe so. Maybe no. But there's certainly a few "ass clowns" on the Democrat side as well.<br><br>Like Barney Frank, the only openly gay Congressman, a Democrat, who allowed his homosexual prostitute lover to run a gay prostitute ring out of Barney's Washington apartment. Yes, that Democrat, too, is an "ass clown."<br><br>And did I mention how much of an "ass clown" anybody who debates the meaning of the word "is" with a Special Prosecutor is? <br><br>Or somebody who gets impeached? Definitely an "ass clown" there.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST


    by banditmania

    The swallowed rats would be the ones more closely related to the politicians.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    The best criticism of preemptive strikes...

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    Came 56 years ago AND is being redone soon -- The Day the Earth Stood Still.<br><br>I hope they don't ruin it.<br><br>Still hoping to see a revived V despite all the political horse shit here.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST


    by Elvis Cole Lives

    Too true. Too true. And I mean that as a criticism of both party's politicians - rats!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Jesus Fuckin' Christ

    by Al Swearengen

    The stench of cat piss has gotten so bad in here that I'm about to burn the whole fuckin' site down.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Could It Follow BSG....

    by The Funk

    As being successfully updated/re-started? I'd like to see it, I only caught this show years ago when Channel Five (UK) showed re-runs when the channel was 1st launched (but gave it a crappy 1am timeslot). And despite the dated look, I was impressed with the main storyline (although there was flaws in the writing & acting). It has potential. Incidently, ive been wanting to get into BSG, is it as good as its made out?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST

    If Bush were merely incompetent...

    by _Maltheus_

    ...then statistically speaking, he'd have to fuck up in our favor once in a while.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    re: The Funk (BSG)

    by _Maltheus_

    Depends on who you are. Some still love it, some think it now sucks. Almost everyone was in love with it during season 1 though, and for a good half of season 2 as well. In any case, the creator has made it clear that he's winging it (in other words no preconceived arc), so take that as you will.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Oh, but he did Maltheus

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    It's my understanding from Michael Moore that most of the people who were killed in the WTC voted Democrat.<br><br>Same goes for New Orleans. Mostly Democrats.<br><br>So, you know, I DEFINITELY think that those are two fuck-ups in our favor, fewer Democrat voters.<br><br>(See that? A conservative argument with not one mention of you-know-who.)

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Could somebody explain to me what "V" was...

    by Charlie Murphy

    I've never seen it. does that make me a bad person?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Darkness! "V" was...

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    A pretty cool tv show from the 80s detailing an alien invasion of Earth and the ensuing high jinks!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Hey, Elvis Cole Lives

    by TheBladehelm

    While you seem to be a level headed dude, I wonder if you acknowledge ANY mistakes or fuck ups from the current administration. Isn't it possible that BOTH Clinton and Bush are unacceptable as leaders? While it's true that there wasn't nearly as much fervor from the public over Clinton, Republican lawmakers were just as rabid about him as Democrats are about Bush.<br><br> As for the public, as can be seen here in talkbacks, they are ignorant and fickle (the entire public, red and blue states). I am sure if any of the distractions that Clinton is accused of went on as long and had as many casualties as the Iraq war, we would see and hear the same shit we hear now.<br><br>The only thing I wonder, and the thing that seems missing from all of your arguments, is what made Saddam such a clear and present danger that he had to be removed right then and there? Being an Evil Asshole usually isn't enough to get a dictator ousted. There are plenty of Evil Assholes we totally ignore, what made Saddam special?<br><br>(For the record, no, I don't think we should invade all Evil Assholes)<br><br>All the justifications apart from Evil Asshole seem to have been overstated or mistaken, you yourself said that of a relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda, "it's possible that no working relationship was established prior to the U.S. invasion."<br><br>So when the government told us there was a connection, or that there were WMDs ready to be deployed, they were either lying or wrong. Both are not very good things to have you leaders be, Democrat or Republican.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    V = Nazi Allegory? Merrick = Duh!

    by TheBladehelm

    I mean, to miss this Allegory you'd have to have never heard of, nor seen any imagery from, Nazi Germany. I mean, the Visitor's symbol is two dashes short of a Swastika! On red banners!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 4:29 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Loves me the V! I heard Johnson talk about an aborted version of a concluding miniseries a few years ago in which several of the resistance fighters had been languishing in prison for 20 years at the start of the story. It would have brought back Singer, Grant, Englund, Ironside and several others of the original actors. Nobody wanted to pick it up because it was considered too bleak, I seem to recall. <p> Jane Badler in her tight red jumpsuit was teh hot back in the day! <p> No remakes! Just turn it into a sequel, please.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    First they're mowing your front lawn, next they'll be mowing your wife's lawn. Beware the Mexicans.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Newsflash to Homeland Security ... searching a little old white lady at the airport is a waste of time. Please search the guy with the beard who's praying like mad just before boarding. THANK YOU!!!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Turn the V 90 degrees clockwise, and add a line ... you get a Z.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Remake or Sequel it would really do well

    by Yeti

    Remember in the original series there was mention of another race that had also defeated the Visitors what if they showed up to ensure earth was Liberated & democracy restored? All parallels to Iraq & Afganistan are purely intentional.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I'm making my own toys for Christmas.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    You know this to be true.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Mr. Spork

    by toshiro-solo

    Agreed - I was around 5 or 6 when the original aired, and for some reason my parents let me watch it, and I think that shit scarred me for life.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Why did you bail in the Borat TB? AnimalStructure/Thunderballs is still at it. You and I are hardly friends, but I thought you despised him as much as I do.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    David Packer...

    by fanboy71

    Isn't that the same douche bag who stood by and did nothing while Dominique Dunne was murdered by her psycho ex boyfriend John Sweeney (who, by the way served only 2 1/2 years for her murder)? Sweeney later changed his name to John Maura, and works as a chef. Dunne was supposed to play in V, and was rehearsing with Packer when she was killed by Sweeney. I hope if they do make another V, the dedicate it to Dominique.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 5:07 p.m. CST

    The Bladehelm

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    Mistakes by Bush? Good God, are there enough hours in the day? I won't list the actual war itself as a mistake as I think the U.S. and the world, in general, have had plenty of reasons for a long time for taking out Saddam, all of which have been listed ad infinitum, ad nauseum.<br><br>The war itself? Mismanaged abominably.<br><br>And I actually don't think that either Bush OR Clinton are "unacceptable leaders." I think that, by and large, despite some massive missteps on both their parts, that, for the most part, that each of them has been quite okay. Economy continued to grow under both. With the exception of 9/11, we haven't been "invaded." Despite the protests about our "standing" in the world, the international community continues to buy our products and invite us to their cocktail parties. I can still stand on a street corner and make an ass out of myself by screaming Clinton/Bush is an asshole/Hitler and not be dragged off to jail. I can pretty much write, say, or do anything I want in this country, socially and politically. I'm in the camp of people who believe that (thanks to the democracy that bin Laden's decrying today) we get EXACTLY the leaders we deserve.<br><br>Katrina was a flop, but it would've been a flop under Clinton or Bush.<br><br>Bush claims the same "executive privileges" in relation to White House workings that Clinton did.<br><br>Bush listens to the same international calls that Clinton did.<br><br>Most international relationships and trade problems are essentially the same. Nobody's boycotting our shit or disinviting us to their catillions.<br><br>All leaders (liberal and conservative, Republican and Democrat) make mistakes and decisions that their political opposition decry while screaming that "it's the end of the world" and that "the sky is falling," etc., etc.<br><br>And every year the world keeps spinning, the sky doesn't fall, Mexico keeps exporting its citizens to us, and Europe keeps asking us to go to the prom.<br><br>The differences in liberals/conservatives and Democrats/Republicans are real and understandable, but NOTHING like what they're pretended to be with political rhetoric (i.e., "rich, white Republicans eat poor black women's babies for breakfast while bathing in the blood of Hispanics and polluting the planet because they've struck a deal with the Alpha Centaurians to move to a clean REPUBLICAN planet...").<br><br>Political rhetoric is all well and good to motivate the ignorant masses, but today it seems that EVERYBODY has drunk the Kool-Aid while jumping the shark. It seems that everybody believes the hyperbole that's only meant to stir up the idiots and, really, what does that say about us all?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    heil hitler

    by prunkhaft

    Just bring back marc singer and cast a super hottie as the adult starchild. since when did this sight have o'reilly friendly talkbacks? None of you know what you're talking about. Please start quoting reliable sources regarding cool movie news and stop quoting insane pundits from yesteryear.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Bladehelm, Saddam a clear and present danger?

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    Then and there? Well, nothing actually dictated that he be removed then and there.<br><br>As I noted, I think that the international community had MORE than enough reason to remove the jackass prior to 2003 - war with Iran, war on Kurds, war on Marsh Arabs, war on Kuwait, continued thumbing of nose at sanctions of international community, firing on coalition air patrols, use of chemical weapons on Iran and the Kurds, dumping 10 million barrels of oil into the Persian Gulf, destroying southern Iraqi marshlands, political assassination (Baath party), attempted political assassinations (Bush 41), and, generally just being a GIANT FUCKING TOOL and PAIN IN THE ASS.<br><br>All that could have continued unabated. Oh, except for "sanctions" and "diplomacy," of course. Nothing said we HAD to do it "then and there." Something, however, did change the environment, however -- 9/11.<br><br>That's right - 9/11.<br><br>Discount or disprove or disbelieve any links real, supposed, or imagined between Iraq and al Qaeda and you still have essentially 19 guys with the backing of ONE rich guy (bin Laden) in the safe have of ONE country (Afghanistan) where they're "untouchable" because the country (Afghanistan) itself has NOT declared war on the U.S., right?<br><br>Now look at what those 19 dudes plus ONE rich dude plus ONE "neutral" country accomplished - WTC GONE! 3,000 PEOPLE GONE! 4 AIRLINERS GONE!<br><br>Now look at Iraq and Saddam (a brutal dictator who's a)started at least two unprovoked wars, b)professed a desire to destroy America, c)thumbed his nose at international "sanctions" and "diplomacy", d)fired on jets in the no-fly zone despite his agreement, e)used chemical weapons on his own people as well as the people of other nations, and (and I don't think that this one can be stressed enough) f)tried to assassinate a former president.<br><br>Now add to the mix a "story" from the British that Saddam is trying to grab yellowcake uranium (a story that British intelligence STILL stands by) and, basically, you've got a BRUTAL DICTATOR that MUST step down in the eyes of a president who's goal is protecting the U.S.<br><br>A lot is made of the fact that Bush didn't "HAVE" to do it, but everybody seems to forget that Saddam could have stepped down peacefully, gone into exile (like the Haitian dictator we discussed earlier) and spared his country and ours a lot of heartache. Instead, he chose to send his soldiers to die while hiding like a fucking pussy in a fucking cave and begging for U.S. soldiers not to shoot him.<br><br>Where the fuck is all the criticism of Saddam for not relinquishing power? Dictators do that shit all the time - Pinochet and Haiti's Baby Doc and Cedrac spring to mind - but nobody seems to bother blaming the ACTUAL BAD ACTOR (Saddam) for the bad actions that precipitated U.S. and world action.<br><br>You see, in light of the events that led up to his demise (including 9/11 and his own idiocy), I completely understand why Saddam had to be taken out.<br><br>But I also feel things have changed since then and I now understand the "clear and present danger" as only justification for invasion argument. Therefore, I will never support sending troops anywhere (READ: Darfur, Bosnia, Haiti) that there isn't a "clear and present danger" to the U.S.. It certainly didn't accomplish much in Iraq.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    How about this

    by unrulyappendage

    What if the aliens come down, the democrats try to make friends even though the evidence shows they are building up for annihilation? You can make these comparisons to Bush and the invasion etc, but the extreme islamic movements are the ones who are kidnapping people based on their beliefs and killing them.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Elvis Cole Lives = Level Headed Dude

    by TheBladehelm

    I was correct in my assertion that you are, indeed, a level headed dude. <br><bt>Well, a level headed dude when it comes to admitting that Bush is less than perfect. You did also completely, again, ignore the question about what made Saddam special? You said, "I think the U.S. and the world, in general, have had plenty of reasons for a long time for taking out Saddam." <br><br>But there are, and were, many others who's name would fit at the end of that sentence. Why Saddam?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST

    But still E.C.L., you avoid the basic question...

    by TheBladehelm

    Many of those things you said can be applied to many other dictators in the world, and could have been just after 9/11. What made Saddam special?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Isn't it Possible Elvis Cole Lives

    by TheBladehelm

    That NOTHING made him special?<br><br>That the Iraq invasion was just the lashing out at a convenient enemy? One that maybe the government thought we'd get away with because nobody liked him anyway, and we already had beef with him?<br><br>The people of America (red and blue) were begging for something to be done in the wake of 9/11 and the Administration took that opportunity to lay the smack down good and proper like they should have before?<br><br>I am not bringing any paranoid conspiracy theories into it, it just seems like bravado mixed with a bit of a drunken barroom mentality, peppered with a healthy pinch of incompetence.<br><br>Besides it's all sand anyway, who's gonna notice or care if it's not the right sand and the asshole in charge of it deserves what he got?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST

    For the record...

    by _Maltheus_

    Despising Bush does not make me a democrat and I couldn't give shit one what Michael Moore has to say. I am a staunch conservative who only cares for the constitution. The neo-con movement was founded by Troskites, which should be no surprise given how Homeland security was staffed with ex-KGB and stasi generals. War is typically a liberal endeavor (Wilson, FDR, Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton), and given how much this president has expanded the scope of federal government and given how he's hardly ever used his veto power, then I'd say he quacks like a liberal duck. Note I use liberal in the democrat sense of the word. I know true liberals despise the democrats as much as true conservatives despise the Republicans. The true price of freedom is not murdering innocent people in countries that never did anything to you, it's putting up with the occasional 9/11 without giving up the farm. But apparently many in this country are too cowardly to care about holding on to their rights. Oooh, the boogie-man is gonna get us.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    The first mini was a big deal when it came out, kiddies

    by Mister Man

    Yep, it was heralded then by the media as a take on the Nazis. Man, does it seem so distinctly 80s, as rooted in its time as "Trek"'s 60s feel.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 5:58 p.m. CST

    The Bladehelm, thanks for the compliment

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    But I gave the list of Saddam's "atrocities" right after the last post, 9/11 changed the world and you really can't discount trying to kill a sitting president's father on the whole "needs-to-be-taken-out" scale.<br><br>Bush isn't perfect. Clinton isn't perfect. Nobody is.<br><br>That having been said, in 2003, NOBODY stacked up to Saddam as far as historically threatening, unpredictable asshole is concerned.<br><br>How 'bout I throw it back to you? Name the other dictator post 9/11 who had a) murdered between 500,000 and 1,000,000 of his own citizens, b) fought TWO unprovoked wars, including an INVASION, c)used chemical weapons on his own people as well as the peoples of other countries, d)dumped 10 million barrels of oil into the ocean, e)tried to assassinate a former president, f)continually shot at American and British jets in a "no-fly zone, g)ran "rape rooms," h)assassinated his political opponents on television, i)assassinated the FAMILIES of his political opponents, j)provided death insurance policies of $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers and k)SUPPOSEDLY (according to BRITISH SOURCES) attempted to purchase yellowcake uranium. Hell, take that last bit out and you STILL have a helluva list of reasons that Saddam had to go, ESPECIALLY in light of the post- 9/11 world.<br><br>Personally, though I continue to think that the Iraq War has "changed world perspective." I think I'd rather it be 200 years before we help any country for any reason.<br><br>The politicians in each of the political parties CLAIM to be different, but really nobody but a fool thinks that we'd be praying to Mecca if John Kerry had won the election in 2004. Bush is no more a saint and savior than Clinton, but they're both CERTAINLY a universe away from Hitler, Stalin, and Hussein.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Dead on, Bladehelm

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    Fuck! Dead on! I think that you're right about the right sand and whether anybody gave a shit as long as the dude deserved it. Dead fucking right!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST

    There was Mini Series About The Iraq War?

    by TheBladehelm

    In the 80's? Oh, wait, this is a V talkback. . .I almost forgot.<br><br>Any sequel to V will have to have the production value of a direct to Sci-Fi channel, since no major studio or network would pony up the dough for a decent sequel to a property that old. (Just look at the Alien Nation sequels!)<br><br>A remake would be lame because remakes are lame in general. Why does everything have to resonate with the current generation? The current generation needs to be taught that things that happened before they were born. Most everything that has ever happened, happened before they were born. Why does everything need to be updated for them? Fuck them! If they want an way to bring a classic story to a new generation, let them rent a DVD for Christ's sake!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    re: Analogy, allegory and democrats

    by sonnyhooper

    regarding the question of why there were no us/alien allegorys when clinton was bombing serbia to "cover up" his oval office blow jobs? the thing is that, usually when a democrat fucks up, the entertainment community dosen't bother to "dress up" it's distain with analogy OR allegory. they usually just cut right to the chase and openly mock a democratic administration. don't believe me?three words: <p> WAG THE DOG <p> yeah, i know, not a very popular film but it did do just what was suggested. it took clinton to task for bombing a country, seemingly to distract people from his getting a hummer on the job. only, like i said, it didn't bother with allegory or analogy, it just cut right to the point. <p> personally, i find that to be the rule of thumb with politicaly motivated entertainment. when they want to attack the republicants they use allegory. because they figure if they are "clever" enough with the allegory they might change some hearts and minds with the story. (yeah, i know, fat chance.) <p> but on the flip side when they want to attack democrats they don't bother with the analogy because......well, i'm not really sure..... i would guess it has something to do with not wanting anyone to miss the point when the democrats actually ARE taken to task. ah the irony, since it appears "wag the dog" is all but forgotten but the (rumored) remake of the mini-series "V" (of all things) deserves peoples ire. even though no one really knows if it will actually BE an allegory for the war in iraq. lol <p> and before anyone gets their american flag panties in a twist, i only make the point to be "fair and balanced". because, in the end, i really don't think either political party is any better than the other. and the thing is, when *I* say that, *I* actually MEAN it.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    I was going to mention that the US/ Iraq thing...

    by Oceanlizard

    ...was going to get Merrick a lot of flack, but no bother. Looks like everyone else drove the point home.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    I Bow to Your Talking Points Elvis

    by TheBladehelm

    I admit that I don't have handy a list of bad people that could have auditioned for the job of Evil Dictator, so to that I will concede that perhaps, Saddam was the WORST of all the bad people on the list.<br><br>I reject the argument that 9/11 changed the world. It was no more or less possible to attack the US before or after 9/11. A successful attack might embolden the enemy, but the reality is, we dropped the ball and they got lucky. It happened before, and it will happen again.<br><br>The rhetoric that 9/11 changed everything is an easy way to excuse lapses in logic though, take the the video that circulated the Internet recently, from 1994 where Cheney basically predicted accurately everything that went wrong in Iraq, what changed between then and the invasion of Iraq? Oh, 9/11. But truthfully 9/11 didn't really change Iraq at all. (Until we got there, that is.)

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    If they want to make this an relevant analogy

    by Harold The Great

    Let both the Visitors and the humans completely clueless. Just not knowing what the fuck is going on. Shooting at each other, themselves, constantly screwing up. Hell, now that I think about it, make them all women.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST


    by NudeandAroused

    isn't V a little dated? I think it was basically a Cold War series The fact that Mark Singer played the hero shows that they really weren't looking too hard for actors.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    How about this?

    by _Maltheus_

    Who cares how bad Sadaam was (although most things said about him here can be turned around and apply to us -- right down to the rape rooms in Abu Ghraib)? We should be focused on getting our own shit in order first. He was no threat to us, so why did we have to blow trillions over there while our infrastructure is falling apart and the dollar is crashing faster than Windows 95. It's about priorities. It's about avoiding foreign entanglements like George Washington said. And what the fuck are you doing over here? The army is looking for suckers like you freaking chicken hawks. Try having the courage of your convictions once in a while.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Gotta Love the Commies

    by James Westfall

    Hehe... they all scream "You just wait until Gen. Petraeus's report!!" and then when Petareus gets back to say "Well yes, we're winning there" then the Commies freak out and start trying to discredit him. On the same day that a new Osama bin Laden video rolls down filled with talking points from and Michael Moore. How do I know the Commiecrats hate this country? Because they want it to lose so fucking bad.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Die, Zentreadi!

    by Hikaru Ichijo

    READ Bradbury, WATCH Starship Troopers, and register Independent. That's a happy USA.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST

    "We Have Enemies"

    by toomuchsun

    I seem to remember a quick scene in which friendly Visitors tell the human Resistance that they have enemies. The rebels point a radio telescope at the part of the sky corresponding with the correct star system, beam their message and hope for the best. Might be an interesting angle for a sequel...

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 8:54 p.m. CST

    How would an allagory about Iraq be brave?

    by INWOsuxRED

    Sci-fi is brave when it says things that nobody else can say, but right now the majority see Iraq as a fuck up, and that majority is very vocal. It would be brave to have a new V that actually opened our eyes to something they aren't open to, like 3rd world genocide in nations that don't have enough oil for us to care about them. You could introduce another alien group, since it was suggested there are others out there, who could stop the visitors from destroying other worlds, but instead just ignore them.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    INWOsuxRED is Right

    by James Westfall

    That would in fact be the braver course, and for exactly the reasons he listed. Forget Iraq as an allegory and make it about fucking Sudan.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Not sure if it was an intended allegory?

    by Dr. Hfuhruhurr

    You mean like when they named the group of Lizards fighting to help the earthlings the 5th Column, the same name given to like-minded Germans in WWII? Or when the Holocaust survivor teaches kids to resist? Or how the Lizards emblem resembles a swastika? Great detective work, Columbo.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Of course there will be a V movie

    by corvette63

    Assuming the human race doesn't extinguish itself, every half-decent property will be recycled at some point. I loved the V movies but the series was somewhat lacking. This would definitely be a remake. It's been too long and it's somewhat of an obscure property for it to be a sequel. I'd love to see Robert Englund in the movie.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST

    And I bow...

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    To your badassness, The Bladehelm. At least reasonable people can have reasonable discussions and still disagree reasonably...<br><br>Even on AICN.<br><br>Thanks for restoring my faith in talkbackers.<br><br>Even if I am a wanker sometimes. ;)

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Node(nothing)32774 -- Clinton "cronies"

    by Elvis Cole Lives

    1) Mike Espy, former agriculture secretary who was forced out over charges that he got gifts and favors from Arkansas-based Tyson foods, whose owners were longtime Clinton backers.<br><br>2) David Watkins, Clinton presidential aide forced to resign for improper use of presidential helicopters for a personal golf outing.<br><br>3) Webb Hubbell, F(riend)O(f)B(ill), associate attorney general, the number three guy at the Justice Department, in jail after pleading guilty to bilking law clients.<br><br>4) William Kennedy, a former law partner of Hillary Clinton's who became a White House lawyer and was forced to resign after concealing his failure to pay nanny taxes.<br><br>5) Craig Livingstone, the ex-bar bouncer (!!!!) with a history of drug use who was the head of White House security, and forced to resign following Filegate.<br><br>6) Henry Cisneros, HUD Secretary, payer of mistresses, indicted "on 18 counts of conspiracy, giving false statements and obstruction of Justice." Plea deal saved him from jail.<br><br>7) Hazel O'Leary - Secretary of Energy who toured the world (and compiled an enemies list) on taxpayer money.<br><br>8) Stephen Smith, aide to Governor Clinton, plead guilty to conspiracy, found to have misapplied funds in Whitewater scandal. Pardoned by Bill.<br><br>9) Neal Ainley, Perry County (Arkansas) Bank president who embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign. Convicted.<br><br>10) Robert Palmer, Madison S&L appraiser who pleaded guilty to conspiracy in Whitewater. Bill Clinton pardoned.<br><br>Of course, none of these guys were "horse breeding chronies."<br><br>In the Clinton administration, only professionals need apply...<br><br>Professional criminals apparently.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Nazi Allegory II

    by A Martian Realm

    Even when I watched the V mini-series and series, it was quite obvious that this was just "Hitler and his Nazis with space lizards and laser beams". The most in-your-face obvious hint, in case you were slow and didn't get it, was the aliens' symbol - a swastika with a few bits missing. Hello!?

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Political "debates" on AICN...

    by monsterforge

    ... are as useless as tits on a bull. To you guys who are arguing the Conservative/Republican case: just give it up. It's pointless. Trust me... it serves no purpose in this forum because that viewpoint is very much in the minority here.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:53 p.m. CST

    David Icke

    by squidman

    Google him, foo's!

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 10:55 p.m. CST

    June Chadwick and Jane Badler were my kind of aliens.

    by kabong

    Now we'll probably get Ugly Betty.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Again, David Icke

    by squidman

    I keep forgetting that sarcasm does not translate via posts. SO: Google him, foo's! ; ) psst: (He's a nut.)

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Stop your lying on AICN.

    by kabong

    Saddam and al-Qaida = no connection. <p> Even moron Bush admits that now. <p> The rest of the bleating in defense of the worst foreign policy debacle in US history is not worth response.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Space Hitler?

    by mascan42

    Wow, you mean that digitized swastika wasn't just a coincidence? :rolleyes:

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Said a long time ago...

    by Kampbell-Kid

    ...after seeing Independence Day in the theater opening weekend that V should be made into a big budget trilogy.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Um, monsterforge...

    by TheBladehelm

    "it serves no purpose in this forum because that viewpoint is very much in the minority here."<br><br>Who's in the minority? Every time I get involved in one of these useless political "debates" here on AICN, I find that it's a pretty equal number of freaks come out from both sides of the spectrum. And even if there are more liberal types here, does that mean that the conservatives aren't entitled to their opinion? I just love when people come on a forum to tell people what NOT to talk about.<br><br>Ironic, because I'd rather people not come on and tell people what not to talk about, and therefor, I am also telling people what not to talk about. Wow, what an existential conundrum I have stumbled upon.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:38 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    You want to know why we invaded Iraq? It's not because Saddam had anything to do with Al Qaeda or that he was a brutal dictator. If you believe that, you're ill-informed. <p>The real reasons are right in front of your face, free of smokescreen. Read the Project For A New American Century papers, as authored by the NeoCons and signed by Cheney, Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush and a slew of senior White House staffers. And watch the documentary CRUDE AWAKENING. <p> We went into Iraq:<p>- To secure future oil supplies from the world's 2nd largest reserve<p> - To occupy Iraq and act as a buffer for Israel from a nuclear Iran<p> - To establish the U.S. as the predominent military force in the world to ensure our economic might <p> Iraq and Afghanistan were just two of several intended enterprises to establish the "American Century". Another was the failed coup in Venezuela to secure yet another friendly oil source. Unfortunately, these were severe miscalculations on the NeoCons' part. <p> Israel would have been better served by a Liberal government willing to talk to the Palestinians, with strong American backing. A truce/peace with Palestine would sideline Iran in the region as it relies most heavily on the conflict to sustain its relevance in foreign policy in the Middle East. <p> If Gore were President, he would have likely shifted our national energy strategy towards renewable sources and away from fossil fuels. 7 years into the 21st century, and Bush has done a lot of damage by having us depend ever more on foreign oil for our economy. 7 years of potential R&D gone down the toilet. He and the oil industry thought they could control Iraq's oil and profit from the impending and inevitable shortage like no one has ever banked on oil in human history. <p>So if anyone thinks George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld had gone into Iraq because of some benevolent moral compass, kindly wake the fuck up.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:44 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    As an oil industry insider, he knows that we will have practically depleted our world oil supplies in 15 to 20 years. We've already passed peak oil production worldwide. That's why countries are squeezing oil from sand instead of pumping it freeflow from the earth. That's why invading and occupying Iraq is so strategic. That's why Bush refuses, ever, to leave the country completely. And unless you're willing to enlist and join the occupation to secure oil for your children, then it would be wise to support a national strategy of implementing an economy based on alternative energy sources.

  • Sept. 7, 2007, 11:45 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    DEAL ... watch oil prices 5 years from now. If you think the 70s oil crisis was bad, that was just a trailer to the feature.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Robert Englund...

    by Boromir187

    ...has always been a favorite of mine, but he is NOT a credible source of information on ANY project unless he is actually filming it or it is already completed. Doubly so if he isn't even involved in the project, like with this V sequel/restart/remake. After all, where's that Freddy vs. Jason vs. Michael movie that he's been talking about for four years now? Oh that's right, it doesn't exist and never will! He's been playing that "we're bringing in Michael Myers for the sequel" tune for years now, despite the fact that Malek Akkad & Dimension have refuted his claims. That and then there's the Nightmare On Elm Street prequel that he keeps saying already has a director and a script and is ready to go. Robert, if a new installment in one of New Line's biggest franchise is ready to go, then how come it didn't hit theaters two or three years ago when you first started saying that? Oh that's right, because it's still in development hell and you don't know what you are talking about! I like Robert, but he speculates and makes things up when talking to his fans WAY too often. Either that or he is just plain delusional. Either way, it makes it really hard to believe anything that ever comes out of his mouth about a future project.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:09 a.m. CST


    by readingwriter

    "If this new concept is brave enough, maybe it could also be an allegory for something like...say...Iraq? With the aliens equaling the U.S.? Wouldn't be terribly safe" Dude, you couldn't be MORE safe than being anti-Iraq war and making the aliens the equal of the US (a little indie flick called War of the Worlds did it, and I must have missed all those pro-Iraq War movies--talk about UNsafe!). Wait, are you on the drugs?

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST


    by readingwriter

    "If Gore were President, he would have likely shifted our national energy strategy towards renewable sources and away from fossil fuels. " Yeah, like he did when he was VP. Your post is hilarious. Listening to AirAmerica--YOU're the one?--rotting your brain, son. We didn't attack Iraq out of benevolence, we did it to tell Islamic fascists "We don't really care if we hit the right ones, we will blow up a couple of countries if we are attacked." Kindly get off your high DNC jackass--none of this is a shock to anyone, and Al Gore is the closest thing to a religous wackjob cult leader in our current society.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:33 a.m. CST

    toomuchsun is onto something

    by DarthFloyd

    toomuchsun, thanks for refreshing my memory about the transmission. How about this for an angle...The Human Resistance has disbanded after the apparent defeat of the Visitors (maybe a new version of the Red Dust they used in the sequal). However, while the Visitors are looking for an antidote, the Visitors' enimies show up as a result of the radio transmission the human resistance sent those many years ago. Turns out the enemy of our enemy is even worse than the original enemy. Now humanity has two threats to deal with, the Visitors and their enemies.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:03 a.m. CST


    by redshirt

    Al Gore, are you kidding? OK, I'll bite. In your diatribe about what he would have done differently, are you assuming 9-11 wouldn't have happened under him? Or are you saying in response to the attacks, he would have passed energy policy reform? What would he have done to our enemies? Gore would have successfully negotiated peace between Israel and palestine, and ushered a new era of peace and prosperity throughout the middle east, while neutralizing threats like saddam with treaties? Do you really believe this?

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 2:14 a.m. CST


    by redshirt

    Let us not forget, he would still be in power today had he done 1 simple thing: Allow UN weapons inspectors total access to anywhere they wanted to go. Instead, he played games, denied access to "Royal palaces" delayed access to places by interfering with inspector movements, and even disallowed pursuit of trucks inspectors saw leaving targeted inspection areas. Had he sat back and given the UN free reign, he would have beaten Bush and the rest of the world, and probably would have had all sanctions dropped as well. But he didn't! Let's suppose, instead, that Bush had blinked and called off the invasion after the pretend inspections. The arab world would have percieved the US to be the biggest pussies in the world, ripe for smacking, and who knows what in the hell would have happened then? I shudder to think of it.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Sorry if someone's already pointed this out...

    by Lord Haw Haw

    ...but they decide to make this new "V" is a sequel, shouldn't it be called "W"? Anyway, as long as the director calls for 1) a Faye Grant look-alike to prance around in that tight white outfit for 75% of the running time, and b) all these allegorical characters to stay the fuck out of the camera's way, this movie is golden with me.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:27 a.m. CST


    by Lord Haw Haw

    *this new "V" a sequel *2) Damn late hour...

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:36 a.m. CST

    "V" WAS ALWAYS...

    by BigBlackDude favorite TV series of all time next to Roots. And it still holds up to this day. I bought the dvd a few years ago. Still a good show. Kinda scary too. I'm all for this as long as they don't fuck it up.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:37 a.m. CST

    Mark Twain told me this was already remade...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    By those Matrix dudes, or dude and dudette... And trust me Mark Twain is no fucking idiot...

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Iraq allegories have jumped the shark

    by BrowncoatJedi

    Move on. Bush is such an easy and lazy target at this point.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Would be nice...

    by sHapesHiftinLizard

    ...if they re-jigged the sfx on 'The Final Battle'episodes as they look really bad compared to the original mini series that Kenneth Johnson directed, he quit because the budget was to be slashed only staying on as a script supervisor. As for the Nazi's allegory... on the commentary track on the orginal mini series dvd Johnson says he grew up in a very bigoted anti-semetic household but did not pick up any of these disturbing views that his family tried to instill in him, he wanted to address this on tv in some form. Initially he was just going to do a show about a dictatorship govenment coming to power in the U.S, it was someone else who suggested the alien angle.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 6:42 a.m. CST

    A couple of years ago

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    I purchased the entire V collection on video at a garage sale. One of the best finds of my life outside of two months ago when I found a first edition copy of IT in hardcover at the markets for $10 in perfect condition. I swear I almost came in my pants.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 7:11 a.m. CST

    V was good but Thel Live was better

    by Maniaq

    Now THAT is a scary take on a malevolent alien race - the psychic angle, pure genius. One of Carpenter's most underrated efforts. <br> <br> If the sequel is indeed us becoming entangled in a battle between greater enemies then the Iraq parallels will be plain enough to see. I'd like to see a story like that done well. Transformers attempted it but served up only a superficial insight into the ongoing war. <br> <br> Of course Michael Ironside would have to be seconded, not to mention Englund - hell bring em all back! Remember who did the Starchild first all you BSG lovers!!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Did someone imply Clinton bombed Serbia as a distractio

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    Modlight? Jesus man. How dumb are you? <p>There was a frigging UN mandate that the UK led. I assure you we (the UK) wernt bombing Milosovitch to get Clinton of the hook, lol. Oh, and they managed to blow-up the Chinese embassy so your aim hasnt improved much. The imgornace and naivety of some of you when discussing party politics is frightening. BSB and Modlight, if you cant disciminate between what you want your politiacl opponants to have done, and what ACTUALLY did do, then you are the worse kind of dumb sheep - the kind that blindly accepts everything your leaders do, becuase he's on your side. (see Germany 1930's). <p>Dumb fucks, lol!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 7:47 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    "Threats like Saddam"? Are you still reveling in the pre-invasion hype of Saddam being a threat? How was he a threat? Iraq was under sanctions, there was no possible way he could have been developing nuclear weapons, you fucking geniuses. How do you build a nuclear power plant when every shipment coming into the country was being monitored? When your northern and southern regions are under US and UK control? Iraq had a nuclear plant once, and it was blown up by Israel. You think then, after the first Gulf War, with sanctions and its northern and southern regions being controlled by the US and UK, that he could actually build another? Why are you all so willfully self-deceptive of the obvious? <p>I noticed you imbeciles didn't even bother to address my points about the impending oil crisis. I suppose ignorance can be a warm, comforting blanket. <p>And I really don't care to debate any of you on how much you hate Al Gore. The man has done nothing but try to better our nation and world, done the complete opposite that Bush did, and that's how he's earned the ire of the retarded Right. Sweet. But I'll say this about him and 9/11. I don't know if he could have prevented 9/11 completely, I'm not a fucking soothsayer, Redshirt. But I know that in a Gore Administration, he would not have deliberately shut out the warnings about an air-based attack, and he was not in league with NeoCons whose grand scheme to reshape the world required an event like 9/11 - in their own words: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor".<p> I doubt any of you would ever download and read the PNAC papers. I also doubt any of you would research peak oil production and its impact on our global politics and the strategy we need to survive a near future oil crisis. You'd rather dwell on how much you hate the Left and make Gore your bogeyman. So pathetic.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 7:56 a.m. CST

    "The arab world would have percieved the US to

    by BringingSexyBack

    be the biggest pussies in the world" ... <p>And that's a reason to invade another country and sacrifice 3,000 American lives? When did global politics take on schoolyard mentality? <p>Despite your regurgitation of the tired right-wing talking points, it was oil, Israel and NeoCon hegemony that were the real reasons for invading Iraq. You don't have to believe me now, just wait until gas hits $20 a gallon.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Readingwriter: "Al Gore is the closest thing to a

    by BringingSexyBack

    religous wackjob cult leader in our current society"<p> How is this the case?

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST

    al gore gets me moist

    by ironic_name

    portman shaves her head again.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Congratulations, Merrick!

    by Immortal_Fish

    Go ahead and put whatever you want to write about in your articles. That is your right as a site contributor. But what's the point when the end result is only a mere few chatting about the subject of your article while the rest tear themselves apart over your predictable and laughable political opinions?<P>A humble suggestion -- Why not just have a weekly "Anti-BUSH tirade TB vol MCMLXXVI" and keep the other articles clean of the political bullshit? At least for the most part as some articles are inherently political (ex: Syriana, Why We Fight, Loose Change, Not Another Liberal Psycho Bullshit Movie, etc). This way, the folks that want to discuss what should be the intent of your article can do so without being drowned out by the masses that took your unnecessary bait.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Continuation: YES re-imagined: NO

    by 2Sheds

    If V is going to carry on then its got to include some or all of the original actors/characters. I'm not dropping any, names, but it would be so gratifying to see one property resurrected and at least acknowledge its source. I can never understand why the suits, when constantly scrabbling for the largest viewership, chuck out any continuity, piss off most of the old fanbase and therefore deprive themselves of a large part of their prospective audience

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST


    by redshirt

    You are so right. Remember the tv series "war of the worlds"? It was just OK, but it took place like 50 years after the initial invasion, so long that most prople had forgotten about it, or thought it had been faked. The govt. had some ships mothballed, etc. That is how I would love to see V resumed. Time has passed, Humans have become complacent again, and a blip shows up on deep space radar...

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Why the Bush-Hitler analogy doesn't work...

    by NHRonin

    ....where are the concentration and forced labor camps? Where is the breaking of peace treaties? Where is the nationalism focused on creating a master race? You morons have no sense of history and only think you're smart by making an analogy that doesn't come close to fitting.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST

    The V analogy works more with Israel / Palestine

    by BringingSexyBack

    Back in the dawn of the 20th century, the Palestinians welcomed the Jews to Palestine, knowing they were a persecuted people without a home. Eventually the Palestinians were overun by organized Zionist gangs and betrayed by the Balfour Declaration of 1917 which established Israel and expelled the Palestinians from their own land and homes, and put them into concentration camps (they're not really refugees because they were still in their land). The V analogy extends even to the fact that not all Israelis were supportive of a take-over. Just as there were V aliens who wanted to live in harmony with humans, there are a majority of Jews who want to live in harmony with Palestinians. But in both cases, the aggressors won out.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST


    by INWOsuxRED

    don't forget about the mustache. George W. Bush does not have a silly mustache. CASE CLOSED!

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 5:41 p.m. CST

    the majority of the visitors

    by INWOsuxRED

    want to eat people. The very fiew visitors wanting to live in harmony with humans had to hide it or they died.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    i thought this was going to be about vaginas.

    by dr.bulber

    not lizards.

  • Sept. 8, 2007, 10:58 p.m. CST

    *It Would Require Effort to Make This Fail*

    by DeeJay

    Based on the description, the "Second Generation" story would provide a logical launching point for such a project. The real challenge wil be in explaining things such as how the "fight" has lasted more than 5 minutes. Yes, "red dust" and guerrilla tactics fit the zeitgiest of the 80's. Today, however, your average teenager would find both notions to be more than silly (remember all the criticisms levied against the not-so-recent ID4?). Ultimately, another installment of the mini-series would easily have viewers such as me watching. It could be quite a cash cow for NBC, depending on how they utilize installments from the two prior mini-series (and certain episodes of the on-going series).

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 1:18 a.m. CST


    by monsterforge

    I was NOT saying that he couldn't say what he wanted to say. I was just suggesting that it was like screaming into a hurricane. I'd never in a million years tell ANYONE that he doesn't have the right to speak his mind. <p>Effectiveness, on the other hand, is questionable. I respectfully disagree with you that the political bent of this site's talkbackers is evenly distributed... I'm one of what I consider to be the minority here, and I feel that my political opinions would have about the effectiveness of a flea fart in a wind tunnel. I just don't see much use in arguing over it.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 3:33 a.m. CST

    what was wrong with red dust?

    by Maniaq

    It was basically riffing on HG Welles' Martians being wiped out by the common cold - a war of attrition mankind has been waging for a long time. Maybe an actual red dust was not the most effective delivery system they could have devised but I think it was a choice informed by other considerations (that basic red colour was a theme often revisited in the production design of the show throughout) not limited to scientific realism. <br> <br> If it's about survival of the species, ain't no moratorium on chemical weapons in play. You go chemical, biological, psychological, whatever you got you throw at 'em and if that's dirty tricks, the dirtier the better.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 4:57 a.m. CST


    by mrbong

    i could not even get off the first screen on the C64 game, i have never known anyone who could. why not hit www.lemon64 or just search for a Commodore Emulator, download it and try again??

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 5:02 a.m. CST

    remakes / "reimagine"

    by mrbong

    the problem with the current crop of remakes, specifically Battlestar Galactica but also the likes of Miami Vice and Italian Job to name but a few, is that all they do is take the name of the original and the characters, then create their own thing with it. sometimes the entirely new thing is good in its own right, but mostly it just pisses off fans of the originals - Vice and Galactica certainly did that with me. if the remake or sequel or whatever the fuck they do of "V" could please stay loyal to the tone, dynamics and sheer brilliance of the original, nice one. otherwise, save even more money by just re-running the original, please.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 7:18 a.m. CST

    TOM: Marc Singer walks up in a loincloth?

    by Osmosis Jones

    MIKE NELSON: Uh, uh, now I know why the show is called "V"!

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST


    by Supermans

    100% correct sir

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Hillary Clinton as Diana "Jane Badler"

    by Supermans

    and Bill Clinton as Charles "Duncan Regehr"

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Not sure if it was an intended allegory?

    by Supermans

    Not sure if it was an intended allegory? by Juemad Sep 7th, 2007 09:16:19 PM You mean like when they named the group of Lizards fighting to help the earthlings the 5th Column, the same name given to like-minded Germans in WWII? Or when the Holocaust survivor teaches kids to resist? Or how the Lizards emblem resembles a swastika? Great detective work, Columbo. This is why I said that Merrick's post is retarded at best..

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST

    yeah, that theme music kicked ass

    by RockLobster800

    is there an mp3 of it anywhere?

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:22 a.m. CST

    I've known this since ComicCon in San Diego...

    by Lissa-Triana

    Ya'll really need to get some people who go to the book panels at ComicCon. I always do and I come away with a years worth of free books many of which are advanced reader copies. We were told there that the new V is going to be based on the book "V: The Second Generation" by Kenneth Johnson who of course also wrote the original V and many of the alien nation scripts. The book comes out Oct 30 according to Amazon, but I was lucky enough to get an advanced reader copy.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    I loved this show as a kid.

    by DarthCorleone

    It was appointment television for me. It definitely peaked during the miniseries, but I still recall enjoying parts of the series as well. I should revisit that one of these days. I did rewatch the original tv movie recently and enjoyed it, but it is a bit dated. And that whole thing with the Starchild saving the day at the end of the miniseries with her magical powers was a load of horseshit. I even thought so when I first saw it and shouldn't have known any better.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    And, yeah, the score was good.

    by DarthCorleone

    Certainly elevated the show. Along with the presence of a few hotties.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Maniaq and DarthCorleone

    by DeeJay

    Maniaq... I agree that the red dust was a crafty storyline device. However, the establishment of our being biologically compatible enough to both breed with *and* be eaten by the Visitors makes the finding of "red dust" (derived from naturally occurring biological material) virtually impossible. Of course, red dust was more realistic than the breeding and eating parts--- but never mind that! :-) Whatever the case, a space-faring race would most likely have antiviral and antibacterial tools to prevent such threats from a race that isn't even coded as "class 1," as of yet. Darth... you're right about the Starchild bit. Even as a comic book reading kid, that scene took all of the wind out of my sails. These days, you've got to admit that the use of her magic powers was unintentionally funny. Can you just imagine the reaction of the crew when they were on the set, and even reviewing the footage for editing? They must've been either laughing or crying.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Ender, re: "We are kept in a state of constant fear"

    by Immortal_Fish

    I hear you, kinda. For example, I'm still waiting to see whether super-AIDS wipes us all out before the African killer bees. Hrm. Kinda dating myself here.<P>And yet, what makes you so certain that we are suspended in fear by the administration exclusively and not the mainstream media's need for ever increasing ratings and circulation? Or at least some combination betwixt the two, or perhaps even inclusive of other elements to lengthy to mention in this space? It all boils down to what is in our wallets.<P>Ultimately, it's silly to accuse others of maintaining a narrow view by countering with an equally narrow view.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:25 p.m. CST

    The theme is a riff on "Rhythm Of The Heat"...

    by BurnHollywood

    ...By Peter Gabriel, from his 1980 album "Security", not the "Terminator" theme; this is one of the most consistently ripped-off songs by Hollywood in its history (pretty sad, considering they didn't even nominate his brilliant score for "The Passion Of The Christ" for an Oscar). A copy of the song's closing, a wicked tribal drum solo, has for years now been the standard way to end action movie trailers and's a Youtube video with the song in its entirety: watch?v=WwDwGdKTsSc&NR=1

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 8:23 a.m. CST

    I hope this is true

    by ATARI

    and I hope JMS will be involved somehow - as he needs to get his mind off B5, which is dead, I tell ya -- dead!!<br>

  • Sept. 10, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Ever notice hoe right-wingers...

    by Kid Z

    ...are the only people on earth who still use terms like "nary a peep" or words like "ilk"? ...or wear bow ties?

  • Sept. 11, 2007, 12:01 a.m. CST

    hope so

    by slkboxrman

    i do hope they come back out with this. im sure most of the posters in here are not over the age of 20, so the appreciation is not there...i honestly believe that V inspired independence day, with the city sized space craft, with ID4 ramping up the size from 3miles wide to 15.... V was good for its time, and if they can re-invent it and relaunch it, why not ?? BSG worked and bionic woman will for the nazi thing, prob true, but its not the first time in sci-fi history that the nazis were a template for the bad guys....anyone remember a little film called "star wars" ...germans had troops called stormtroopers and the uniforms were pretty close to classic nazi type uniforms that u can see in the indiana jones films, minus the for the new V using the US as a template for the bad guys, blame BUSH...pretty soon the american flag may be right up there with the swastica as a symbol of the country with the most guns trying to impose its will and ideals and culture on the rest of the world.... we should just mind our business, if other countries want to kill each other, let them..... best advice i say

  • Sept. 11, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST

    oh wait

    by slkboxrman

    in reference to the comment stating.... "we are in a constant state of fear" YOU are in a constant state of fear.... i never worried about west nile, i never worried about bird flu....i dont worry about anything outside of me, myself and my family and friends...i dont watch the news and i really dont care whats going on in iraq, or afghanistan or iran....i dont even care about local stuff unless its really local for me....and i live in queens, nyc so its a big city....i dont worry about terrorist attacks or what the terrorist warning is today, which in case anyone missed it, is september 11..... i dont worry and u know what ?? im happy....and im prob in the majority of the people that really dont care about the war because the war is stupid and the troops are gettin killed for nothing.....nothing...its not about protecting the world from evil or terrorists, its about one thing, money and ego...and thats why the country has tuned out iraq....most of us are voting democrat next year, id be surprised if a democrat dont get elected actually

  • Sept. 11, 2007, 12:19 a.m. CST


    by slkboxrman

    guess u missed both versions of war of the worlds, where bacteria killed the aliens because they never thought that small....when ur worried about big things, its easy to forget something like bacteria, especially when u havent thought of it.... and V established that half breeds and humans were not succeptible to the red dust...apparently the twin was mostly full blood....besides it was a TV show...i dont break them down in real scientific rationales

  • Sept. 11, 2007, 8:26 a.m. CST


    by kingralphuk

    keeps her hair shaved in this one....what dya mean wrong V? Fuck off !

  • Sept. 11, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Slkboxr & Kid Z

    by DeeJay

    Slk... ahhh, no. I did *not* miss "War of the Worlds"... a project that's even *older* than "V." Beyond that, the very concept of a space-faring, technologically advanced civilization losing a fight to Earth is absurd on too many levels to explore in this talkback. Your storyline device worked for a classic film for the same reason that a 6' 6" guy could once be an NBA center, and couldn't today. Similar to how NBA players have gotten taller, the average teenager has become more advanced in their knowledge of science. Your argument that the Visitors would "forget" the existence of flesh-eating bacteria is equivalent to claiming that a team of astronauts would go out in space and "forget" their oxygen. It assumes a level of stupidity (in a race more intelligent than our own) that somehow manages to insult the intellect of *fictitious* races. My point was that the audience has gotten smarter, and would demand better science... just as they would demand better special effects. You can deny that, but I doubt the producers would. Kid Z... actually, right wingers aren't the only ones who use those phrases and wear those clothing items. Tucker Carlson as an individual, however, has made the bow tie look so incredibly uncool that makers of those ties should have their lawyers send him a cease and desist notice.

  • Sept. 11, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Here's Hoping

    by mrsdpoet

    I hope they use better special and makeup effects this time. The masks in the original looked like shit.

  • Sept. 11, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Update on Willie Character..

    by Madcrow

    Aloha all fellow V fans.. I recently posted an update on " Tomorrow's Entertainment " about the upcoming novel, mini series and what Robert Englund recently said about his character Willie.. He was reportedly to have said his character would most likely NOT be returning.. I got in contact with Kenneth Johnson and he gave me a little run down, which is updated at the end of the post.. You can find it here: Madcrow