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ATLAS SHRUGGED gets a new screenwriter and director!!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. To totally put a nerdy spin on this, I've had BIOSHOCK on the brain since the game hit. It's awesome and takes a lot of inspiration from Ayn Rand's novel, ATLAS SHRUGGED. I doubt the Angelina Jolie/Lionsgate film version will have weird little zombie-ish girls and giant mechanical monsters with drills for arms, but I'm sure it'll be okay without them. We know that BRAVEHEART's Randall Wallace took the first stab at adapting Rand's book and we now know that he was able to boil it down to 127 pages of script. Now Lionsgate has hired Vadim Perelman to rewrite and direct the flick, but it looks like Wallace will still be involved. I quite like Perelman's first film, THE HOUSE OF SAND AND FOG, so I'm curious to see what he brings to this flick. Lionsgate says an early 2008 start date is likely.

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  • Sept. 5, 2007, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Ken Levine

    by apStalin

    It be like BioShock the movie! That is ten pounds of awesome.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Literary adaptations ...

    by ye olde shiza

    Are the beef jerky of Hollywood: shriveled to bare minimums, hard to swallow, and devoid of the original flavor. <br><br> For the love of God, stop making them.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST

    ANTHEM please

    by master bitchfist

    let me write and direct ANTHEM pretty please with sugar on top.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 1:05 a.m. CST

    BIOSHOCK is not Atlas Shrugged

    by master bitchfist

    Bioshock is not an adaptation of Atlas Shrugged to a video game. It is not the same characters and certainly not the same story. It deals with the same themes however. Do not expect Atlas Shrugged to have giant monsters walking around in crazy underwater suits. Atlas Shrugged and Bioshock are both works of pure genius, but each in their own right.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 1:09 a.m. CST

    What happened to Perelman doing "The Giver"?

    by Lenny Nero

    I thought it was a perfect match. Other than me directing it, of course.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Great premise...

    by TheRealSeveren

    I love the idea of all the great minds in the world getting together and saying to hell with the rest of em' lets move to an island and start over. At least in this novel, Ayn Rand wasnt just writing her version of a trashy romance novel. Roark is her Fabio. Still, talking up Ayn has undoubtedly helped me get laid over the years... Atlas Shrugged could be a great film though.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Wasn't this the book that Officer Barbrady...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ...hated so much?

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Quint is mistaken

    by playahatersball

    Atlas Shrugged has already been adapted into several video games, such as: Railroad Tycoon: Rough Sex edition, Red Faction: economic committee meeting, Where in the World is MIdas Mulligan?, Simperpetual-motion machine, GTA: Galt's Gulch and of course, TRON, the game, not the movie.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 1:27 a.m. CST

    bioshock basically tries to explain in videogame form

    by Winterchili

    why ayn rand was a moron. not a very effective medium for such a thing but impressive nonetheless

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 1:45 a.m. CST

    LOL... "Battlefield Earth" time for the Rand kooks.

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    Those wacky objectivists, they used to be all over the damn internet. Finally, a movie just for them... ha ha ha ha... and what a riveting book to work from. "I BELIEVE THAT TO TRULY DO THIS LITERARY MASTERPIECE JUSTICE IT SHOULD BE ADAPTED AS AN HBO MINISERIES THAT LASTS EIGHT SEASONS."

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Rand is a kook.

    by Midol Boy

    If you went by her theroies, most of us would be making 18 cents an hour, while the Kenneth Lay's of the world would be making hundreds of billions.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 2:32 a.m. CST

    RAND is Brilliant. ATLAS is Brilliant. BUT . . .

    by Rearden

    ... this will require one hell of a brilliant adaptation to do full justice to the complexity of the ideas in the book. I really hope that this Vadim guy is up to the task.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Objectivism = Scientology

    by Thick McRunFast

    Both are cults led by a shitty writer; one just stretches believability more -- I'll let you decide which.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Countdown to flood of outraged objectivist dorks... 3…

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    2... <p> Thing is, they all have mid/low-level 9-5s, so they're asleep now, dreaming of getting wanked off by the invisible hand of the marketplace, and elevated to their proper economic/darwinian philosopher king status...<p> they can FINALLY privatize the sidewalks and rescue the world from all those evil, inferior value systems that suggest anything matters except trying to get rich...

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Objectivism = Nazism with a better name.

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 4:14 a.m. CST

    i am reading this book now

    by i kick tits

    objectivism is retarded. it just is, i'm sorry. that is the only objective thing in the world. that is it retarded.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Can't wait to see how they mess this up

    by vikingkitty

    The writers will probably portray the United Nations as being the savior of all mankind, and somehow the moochers and socialists will end up being the heroes. In other words, I can't imagine the limp wrists in Hollywood going along with any of the themes of objectivism.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 5:51 a.m. CST

    Actually, Master Bitchfist

    by vikingkitty

    Having giant monsters in crazy underwater suits in this movie would probably be closer to Rand's philosophy than what I'm expecting they'll actually produce. Who is John Gault? He's Mr. Bubbles, and he just killed a splicer with his drill for a hand.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 6 a.m. CST

    How about a Bioshock movie? That'd be niffty.

    by Yeti

    And probably better recieved (less baggage)

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 6:15 a.m. CST

    midol boy, twit of the day

    by classyfredblassy

    Is 18 cents an hour the going rate for being a no-talent tool? If so, how come Ashley Simpson made so much money. Love how in the mind of left wing moonbats Kenneth Lay is the ultimate expression of evil, never mind the folks who cut your throat or blow you up for being an infidel. Oh well, back to your Air America call in show. With you not listening, half their audience is gone.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 7:04 a.m. CST


    by DrManhattansUnit

    Bioshock is a deconstruction of Ayn Rand's nonsense. The only sane way to approach this pseudo-philosophy is satire, and I hope we'll get something along the lines of Paul Verhoeven's Starship Troopers, which shows up the original novel for its infantile war-fetishism. Perhaps Atlas Shrugged the movie will amusingly needle those who believe they are somehow above the society that nurtures them, highlighting the absurdity of those who oppose all taxes, yet drive on public roads? One can only dream.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST

    127 pages?

    by Strabo

    Isn't that how long Galt's whiny bitchfest goes on for in the latter half of the novel? <BR><BR>Wallace's politics are fairly obvious, given the scripts he's written thus far (Braveheart, Pearl Harbor, We Were Soldiers, all jingoistic trash). I'm sure he's quite a fan of the novel, so a Verhoeven-esque satire like Starship Troopers is almost certainly not going to happen. If they do an "honest" adaptation of the novel, the flaws and inconsistencies in the logic should be as blatantly obvious in the movie as they are when reading the book. <BR><BR>Perhaps if we're lucky we'll get a Bioshock movie a year or two later that will destroy the film. They'll have to make sure they include the audio diary mechanism, otherwise they'll lose the whole point of the damn thing. They have to show how everyone's dogged insistence on following Ryan's/Rand's Objectivist philosophy is what created the disaster in Rapture in the first place.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Ooh, I hope they do Might Is Right by Ragnar Redbeard!

    by rev_skarekroe

    "Love your enemies and do good to them that hate and despitefully use you" is the despicable philosophy of the spaniel, who rolls upon its back when kicked.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 8:41 a.m. CST


    by Tourist

    Not really. It's very, very long, but only because it essentially repeats the same moments over and over and over. You could cut the book in half and not lose any narrative or character or philiosophical development at all. The main problem I see with this film is that, well, if its anything like the book, we are in for a philosophy lecture dressed up as a fucking abysmally crafted melodrama. Wont help me that I'm not entirely sold on Objectivism. Also, considering the book focuses most of its attention of spoilt, fortunate brats, why not just stunt cast Paris Hilton instead.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Atlas Shrugged is very adaptable

    by jimmy_009

    Think about it, how much in the book is filler and stuff repeated over and over again? If you condense the story into it's main elements without repeating yourself, you'd have about 200 pages of story instead of 1000 pages of bloat.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Here's my theory...

    by RogueWarrior65

    Ayn Rand's works are 100% counter to Hollyweird's ways of thinking. I highly doubt this script will lack a left-wing spin that paints Objectivism as something to be scorned and ridiculed. I'll bet they focus on Dagny Taggart's insatiable need to bone every captain of industry. Sure, Galt's 50-page speech could be cut down by 90% but IMHO, D'Anconia's speech is better. But there's one factor that Rand got 150% right and you can see it all around you every day. The ability to change the world requires command of energy.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 8:59 a.m. CST


    by Strabo

    Hahaha...Paris Hilton as Dagny Taggart. Fucking perfect casting. You win a cookie. What washed-up loser could we get to play Rearden and Galt? How about people already familiar to Wallace? Hartnett and Affleck? Hahaha...damn, they should just get Verhoeven to make this's the only way they'll get something watchable out of it.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 9:46 a.m. CST

    The problem with Rand's theories....

    by OBSD

    is the same problem with any high-minded theory. That is that people suck. A corporation isn't going to produce a widget with the best widget making materials, the best widget inventors, and the most experienced widget factory workers it can (like Rand thinks will happen if capatalism is unchecked). What really happening is that a corporation is going to fire all of those profesional widget makers, force them to find work at Taco Bell, then find the cheapest workers in the cheapest country and the shoddiest material in order to make his widgets for a nickle less in order to make a greasy buck. Then the corporation will be shcked, SHOCKED to find out that his widgets are now made from hazerdous material and are killing children. Fuck Rand and all of her progeny.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 9:46 a.m. CST

    DrManhattansUnit Wins

    by Saluki

    He's right about Bioshock AND Starship Troopers. Nice! By the way, anyone who uses "Hollyweird" literally can go ahead and rip their dick off right now. You won't be needing it. Ayn Rand's playground just got raped in videogame form, and it couldn't be sweeter.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Atlas Shrugged was to be filmed in the 70's.

    by Uncapie

    I had the opportunity to read the script, but couldn't copy it. Sort of like that sceen in "Citizen Kane" where the reporter is only allowed to read that diary on Charles Foster that's under lock and key. Too bad too. It would have been an epic mini-series and they wanted Dustin Hoffman to play "John Gault" and Farrah Fawcett-Majors as "Dagny Taggert."

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 9:57 a.m. CST

    I enjoyed "The Passion of Ayn Rand"

    by Smerdyakov

    Me likey seeing Helen Mirren banged on the office floor by Eric Stoltz while her impotent husband (Peter Fonda) sits home drunk. Only bad part of that movie, Julie Delphy somehow manages to keep her clothes on.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Taggart and Galt

    by Uncapie

    Sorry, no coffee yet.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST

    As an Rand fan I'm a bit

    by Omar B

    As an Rand fan I'm a bit leary of this being adapted into a movie. Sure it'll be cool to see my favorite book on screen but I think Hollywood will get it wrong. I wonder if they'll play up the drama side, the sci-fi side, the mystery side? Have you guys watched Eureka on Sci-Fi? That's like Atlas Shrugged's Galt's Gulch turned into a whole series and it's pretty good actually. Oh, and those comparisons to nazis and scientologists are funny, uninformed but funny.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 10:22 a.m. CST


    by MC Vamp

    Is a facet of philosophy, not a core. That's where Rand goes way off the tracks. Doesn't change the fact that America voted Keating/Toohey two elections in a row.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    LOL MC Vamp! Good call.

    by Omar B

    LOL MC Vamp! Good call.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Anybody know what the heck happened to THE GIVER?

    by Freakemovie

    Perelman was supposed to adapt and direct that -- you guys had a story on it a few months ago: I've looked around online and can't find crap about whether its in turnaround or on hold or what.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 11:22 a.m. CST

    My Struggle

    by Midol Boy

    By Ayn Rand

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 11:27 a.m. CST

    People can NEVER have a completely objective POV

    by Tacom

    I don't find Rand's theories offensive but it isfaulty. People can never really have a rational objective. You can determine facts and rational Every person sees the world differently. It's like the movie RASHAMON where people have wildly different ways of experiencing and remembering the same event. Some solid, absolute facts CAN be determined but ultimately reality is subjective. For example her opinions f the philosopher Immanuel Kant. They weren't very objective OR rational!

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 11:30 a.m. CST

    What is wrong with Rand's theory?

    by Russman

    You guys trash her but most don't explain why. Please fill us in cuz I don't have time to google right now. Thanks in advance.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Objectivism, Nazism, Communism, Socialism...

    by Midol Boy

    What's the difference? They're all grossly simple minded ways of living, with hatred and evil really behind the ideas and principals. If Ayn Rand were alive today, she'd deny a child life saving healthcare services if that kid were too poor. Open your eyes people. Life, and how to live it, can't be explained with some simple minded idealology. Go with Christ!

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Who needs a POV when you've got a FPS!

    by Abin Sur

    Die, Mr. Bubbles!

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Christ, there are some dipshits on this board.

    by Uga

    Yes, I'm talking about YOU.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST

    She always spurs depbate

    by Omar B

    She always spurs depbate which is cool. I will say that as an objectivist I've got no ties to nazis, communist, socialist, scientologists or Jesus for that matter. Seems a lot of you identify Ayn and her works with hate but I gotta say that objectivists have never started a war (holy or otherwise), nor does it have anything to do with racism (my dad's Indian and he's an objectivist too).

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    without rand

    by ironic_name

    we wouldn't have ditko's Question, or mister A.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    monica bellucci

    by ironic_name

    SEX objectivism.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Omar B

    by Strabo

    Actually, modern Republican economic theory is basically Ayn Randian free market economics in practice. The Iraq war is all about the money, and it was the brain child of the neocons.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST


    by Strabo

    Actually, I prefer to think it's karmic rather than metaphoric.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Starship Troopers

    by Toonol

    How you felt about Starship Troopers is probably a good gauge of how you'll feel about a good adaption of Atlas Shrugged. If you thought the movie was an infantile abortion of the interesting philosophical and cultural themes Heinlein put in his novel, you might like an accurate Atlas Shrugged movie.<br> <br> On the other hand, if you liked Starship Troopers [the movie], God help your soul.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    right wing bullshit

    by iwontwin

    fascist ayn rand makes fairy tale about how socialism destroys.... does anyone know about the great depression?

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST

    I'm Catholic but not offended by Rand dissing Jesus.

    by Tacom

    I'm a practicing Catholic and was amazed at the balls of her pretty much dissing Christianity and religion in particular. Specifically in the chapter with John Galt's radio speech she pretty much trashes Jesus and Christianity and calls it crap without ever really overtly doing so or naming JC. I guess John Galt is her Christ figure in ATLAS SHRUGGED.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Time for a fun link

    by theoneofblood Amusingly this exactly mirrors what I thought the second I finished Atlas Shrugged.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    You haters...

    by Montag666

    Betray the fact that you have NEVER read a word that Ayn Rand wrote. If you did, you would not be comparing objectivism to Nazism, or any other oppressive philosophy. Someone like Ken Lay would be considered a "Looter" or a "Moocher" if he were a character in an Ayn Rand novel. You are probably the same idiots who drove me nuts during the Star Wars talkbacks by spelling "Emperor" like "Emporer". You also betray the fact that you are all parrots probably spewing out the post-structuralist garbage you heard in college. Stop being afraid and actually READ something before you trash it.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST


    by Omar B

    Yes I am a republican but I am also against the war. Objectivism is staunchly opposed to violence of any sort unless in self defence. War just kills more consumers, that's bad. I can see many of you drawing parallels between Ms. Rand and nazis, facists and such when she's most certainly not that, but hey, uninformed is uninformed. As a previous poster mentioned, this movie's not gonna open eyes or change anything, they'll most likly screw it up like they did Heinlein.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST


    by Kree42

    odd how adults are still trying to get everyone to belive in their imaginary friend.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST


    by Omar B

    LOL. When people talk to me about Jesus I start talking about Superman. Same idea right.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Funny thing about the haters...

    by infallible

    I like how the beginning of this thread is filled with, "Here come the crazy Rand-lovers!" However, most of this thread is the equally crazy Rand-haters running their mouths. It's too bad that some folks can't distinguish the philosophy itself from the personal defects of it's creator or adherants.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Books about Individual liberty

    by ButtfuckZydeco

    Hayek's "Road to Serfdom"> Friedman's "Capitalism and Freedom">>>> any of Aynnie's craperoo.<p> Oh, and Tacom, catholics got some nerve getting chapped off at anybody. Even Mama Theresa knew you guys were fulla shit.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 3:01 p.m. CST


    by RictusGrin

    I have read Ayn Rand, and the problem with her philosophy isn't that she's a nazi or anything ridiculous. She actually makes some pretty good points. She was a strong advocate of human rights and strongly AGAINST fascism. The problem is that she valued individualism and personal liberty not just above everything else, but almost to the ~exclusion~ of everything else. It's not a philosophy from which you can hope to build a healthy society. It's hopelessly naive, and the situation she manufactures in Atlas Shrugged to prove Objectivism as important and valid is simply not plausible and, in the end, proves nothing.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 3:01 p.m. CST

    There certainly a lot of Ellsworth Toohey's here today.

    by Uncapie

    Who is John Galt?

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST


    by the ironking

    BIOSHOCK: THE that's what I want to see.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Who is John Galt?

    by RictusGrin

    A talented, fictional engineer who was nonetheless an emotionally stunted, narcissistic prima donna.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Ayn Rand was a pice of shit.

    by Angry Mean Panda

    If I had a time machine I could only use once, I'd travel back in time and kick Ayn Rand's mother in her ovaries.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST


    by Montag666

    Actually, eventhough Ellsworth was a scumbag, at least he was literate and eloquent which is why he was so persuasive, unlike the idiots who post here. You're giving them too much credit.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    More lessons for the obviously learning impaired

    by Montag666

    I keep seeing "right wing bullshit", and fascist this and fascist that, and it just goes to show that none of you have actually read any of her work. So stop being afraid and actually read something, and then you can sit at the grown-up table with the rest of us. Until then, keep drinking your collectivist kool-aid and practice non existence. I actually agree with one of the posters above who describes Atlas Shrugged as a flawed novel. It's true. I much more prefer The Fountainhead as book. And by the way, if you ever bothered to read Atlas Shrugged you'd know that her version of Individualism has absolutely NOTHING to do with trampling on other people's rights to benefit yourself.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 5:40 p.m. CST

    "War just kills more consumers, that's bad."

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA <p>So objectivists are against war, huh? Not because of the ruined families, the dead soldiers and civilians, the breakdown of civil society and destruction of provisional infrastructure, but because of the loss of all those precious consumers.<p> HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST


    by Tourist

    ...I don't know why you are laughing. That IS the main thrust of objectivism. Sentimental attatchments to dead soldiers or ruined families are unimportant when stacked next to the loss of productive men or consumers. Thats how Rands mind worked. Which is why so many seem to slag her off as a nazi or facist, when in actual fact she was just an especially cold hearted libertarian with a persecution complex. Probally not an unfounded one, considering her background. Still, that didn't make her a good writer. Which she is not. I wonder if Hollywood will turn to Richard Dawkins next?

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Atlas Shrugged IS Important

    by Spank

    No matter how you want to spin the politics (which to me comes off as just common sense capitalism), Atlas Shrugged is but one of MANY important works that are WAY long overdue to be made into films (Stranger, Anthem, and Watchmen are also WAY overdue). I only hope that it'll be a faithful adaption to the work and that it sparks a healthy debate in the midst of so many short-minded people who want to critique and offer opinions on works they have never experienced. Damn the illiterate bastards!

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Actually, Daddylonghead & Tourist

    by Montag666

    You're both wrong. The objectivist ethics behind being against war has absolutely nothing to do with stoppage in consumerism or production. It's very simple: Force is a substitute for reason. Once force is used, there is no thinking or reasoning. Force should never be used in initiation. Only in self-defense and only against those who initiated force in the first place. That's why Iraq is truly an immoral war, and we should have never gone there in the first place. They never initiated force against us. You just read the most cohesive argument AGAINST the war in Iraq. Much better than the prefabricated garbage you're both spewing, which is purely emotion driven and lacks analysis.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST

    By the way Soylentman...

    by Spank

    Caligula did NOT kill legit porn- the videotape industry did. Caligula is a pretty unimportant film overall, and there were some true quality 70mm "A" level "porn" films after that came out- there was just no place left to show them when you could buy a videotape and do your business at home. That and the industrywide AIDS stigma (80's paranoia) kept "porn" from being truly artistic. They don't call me Spank the Monkey for nothin'!

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 7:40 p.m. CST


    by Montag666

    While I could not myself endure a true dictatorial regime here in the U.S., I agree that most of these fucking parrots have no idea what they're talking about when they scream about America being a dictatorship. They're living out a sick fantasy in which they martyr themselves while living comfortable lives, freely exchanging their flawed ideas over a public forum. I agree that America is not as free as it was once. I disagree with the Patriot Act, and let's just say that I'm glad Gonzo's gone. Now here's the part that kills me: these people are throwing the word "fascism" around. These idiots can't even define fascim and capitalism. If they could then they understand that both ideals are diametrically opposed to each other. We are indeed closer to a Fascist or better yet "Statist" economy than we are to a free market based capitalist economy. Here's what Fascism means (they can thank me later, although this probably won't fit their molded preconception): Fascism is a state controlled economy in which corporations and such are still allowed to exist, but they're so close to the government that you can barely tell them apart. That is what we have now. In a free market capitalist economy, you have a separation of state and private industry, and the government is left to do it's only fucking job which is: Protect individuals from harm & fraud be it domestic or foreign. What part of that sounds compatible with fascim or any other statist philosophy? NONE! Government will still be there to do what it was designed to do. No more lobbying or accepting dubious campaign contributions, no more invading countries for oil companies and contractors. NONE of that. But since these morons lack analysis, they can only go on the soundbites they fucking inhaled and memorized to the letter. If they forgot one comma, their whole concept would unravel.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 8:11 p.m. CST

    I don't know...

    by Tourist

    I wasn't addressing Rands opinions on justifying war. Just her mind set. Also, objectivists believe that to properly ensure freedom, it's necessary to control who applies force and adjudicates. Which is what seperates them from anarchists or libertarians. So couldn't an invasion of Iraq, who threatend U.S. financial interests, and who had previously initiated force against them, be justified? If Saddam and Co. couldn't be persuaded through financial or moral arguements? My problem with Objectivism, is that it wants to have its cake and eat it too. It's also a strangely unworkable philiosophy in the sense that if ALL people were to apply it, the machinery would cease to work. Someone has to sweep the floor, or shovel the shit. Yet it holds these very people in contempt. That was one of the main problems I saw with Atlas Shrugged, in that she created such unsympathetic characters. Dagny, the central character, really doesn't do more than live out a free loading, easy going life provided to her from her parents. We see characters, from train drivers to cooks, who are capable and hard working, yet seem to exsist in servitude to the ego of Dagny and a few others. When, if they were to apply her philosophy, should be working towards building their own rail way line.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Can't wait--it'll be an entertaining disaster...

    by Bob Cryptonight

    ...just like all the goofy novels that dingy broad wrote (and I do mean entertaining)! Also, check out any of those Objectivism websites for a good laugh! That stuff is really funny!

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Montag666. I met Nathaniel Branden once.

    by Uncapie

    He was in back of me in the county clerk's line many years ago when I dropping off some court documents. The guy was figity dropping his paperwork and was a nervous wreck. I told him to go ahead of me if he was in a hurry. He thanked me and gave me his card after he completed whatever he filed. I called him later and he wanted me to take a $400.00 seminar on dealing with people. This guy couldn't even get his own act together why should I take a class with him? He also wrote a book on the subject so why should I take a seminar for $400.00 when I could go to the library and check it out for free! I asked him about Ayn Rand's philosophy and he said he didn't teach them anymore. Later, I found out he actually denounced her publicly. This coming from a guy who couldn't get his own act together ripping off the public on phony seminars! He made the Learning Annex look like UCLA's Anderson School! The people that think Ayn Rand is fascist miss the total point of her work. A sceen that comes to mind in "Atlas Shruged" applies to the unwashed masses that don't understand her work or have never read it. Hank Reardon and Dagny Taggert are walking around this run-down, deserted factory where Reardon finds the incredible fusion engine now being used as a flower pot. This is a find that would revolutionize the railroad industry. Reardon decides to leave it buried and covered as the world doesn't deserve it, let alone, appreciate it. Says it all. What if the intelligent men went on strike all over the world? We're living it now.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Nothing like Any Rand to get the left all sweaty . . .

    by Fletch F. Fletch

    It's the weirdest thing I think I've ever seen. The same people who champion reason and civility are foundlessly wishing death on a philosopher. Say what you will about her, but I can only laugh at the fervor people spew at her. It's not like her philosophy ever sparked anything but healthy discourse, unlike some of you Marxists out there. Lotta dead Russians could probably explain just how that didn't work out so well.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Angelina Jolie? o_O

    by Ikaruga

    Angelina Jolie strikes me as a very left-wing and humanist lady. Not Ayn Rand stuff.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST


    by Kiera Knightley's Sexy Beanpole

    Just can't see how the book can be a movie - 1200 hundred pages of dialouge then about 10 pages of action that didn't make sense. I mean Dagny Taggart shooting a guard? full of fail imo

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Get Cameron Diaz to star in it

    by classyfredblassy

    Just make sure that dim wit leaves her Mao Zedon handbag at home.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 10:45 p.m. CST

    House of Sand and Fog ruled

    by And Nicolas Cage as Fu Manchu

    Jennifer Connelly is a goddess. Ayn Rand on the other hand... I guess her work is interesting when you are 16, raised Republican (like I was) and haven't truly been out on your own (or if you are in your 20s and haven't had the rug pulled out from under you yet career-wise). Anyone who is a little older and wiser can see the inherent problems with her philosophy; namely, that sometimes ambition and hard work aren't quite enough because there isn't a level playing field, and you can end up in a bad situation through no fault of your own and not be able to pull yourself back up. Her ideas are the antithesis of altruism; an ever-compassing "fuck you" to the disadvantaged and the downtrodden that can only come from someone who has never truly experienced adversity and hardship.<br><br>I know many Republican office drones will chime in about how hard they worked in college and in their jobs and how everyone who isn't successful in life is a lazy piece of shit, etc. This is a false dichotomy, a problem that is endemic in American society. Everything has to reduce to black or white, right or left, in public discourse. There are many people who work hard and would still be labeled as failures because of events outside of their control (medical expenses that insurance won't cover, etc). But too often, the typical suburbanite office drone has a pathological need to look down on anyone who they deem a failure. It is imperative that the suburbanite ascribe all blame for a person's shortcomings and failures to that person alone, and not to external circumstances, because to admit the possibility of agents other than one's own ambition in one's success in life is anathema to the very essence of the American Dream, a myth that suburbanites cling to desperately to validate their existentially bankrupt lifestyles.<br><br>So, I don't really know why they are making Atlas Shrugged into a movie, since Rand's books are not taken seriously in pretty much any class on moral philosophy taught in the Anglo-American academic world. But you know, why not, maybe Jennifer Connelly will be in it and she is always an enjoyable presence. ^^;

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Uncapie, get your facts straight.

    by detinue

    They don't leave the broken engine buried or behind. They take it and get the best remaining physicist they can find to work on reconstructing it, and have every intention of using it in their businesses if they can get it to work.

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    I'd like to see monsters with drills for arms in ATLAS

    by MrMysteryGuest

    SHRUGGED; at least they'd make the movie more lively! :)

  • Sept. 5, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST


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  • Sept. 6, 2007, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Bioshock movie would be cool

    by Ikaruga

    A man chooses.. a slave obeys!! WARGHHH!!

  • Sept. 6, 2007, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Thanks, detinue...

    by Uncapie

    Been awhile since I've read the book. Like say, 25 years ago.

  • Sept. 6, 2007, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Rand's philosophy (like many

    by the ironking

    Rand's philosophy (like many philosophy's) is filled with flaws but it would still be a interesting movie. But I think Bioshock has really already given us a nice twist on the tale.

  • Sept. 6, 2007, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Ayn Rand has chosen HD-DVD, and here's why!

    by the_false_maria

    Or, "Do Randroids Dream Of Electric Sheeple?"

  • Sept. 6, 2007, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Waiting for Keannu Reeves in "Also sprach Zarathustra"

    by C.K. Lamoo

    "God Is Dead, Dudes."

  • Sept. 6, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Rand was wrong about ATLAS SHRUGGED.

    by Frietag

    She thought it was her best novel. It's not. WE THE LIVING was her best "novel". However, if something that's maybe 25% philosophy and 75% plot counts as a novel, then THE FOUNTAINHEAD kicks way more ass than ATLAS SHRUGGED. (One of the main reasons is that it was Rand's only book with a great villain: Ellsworth Toohey. I long to see a remake of FOUNTAINHEAD with someone like Philip Seymour Hoffman as Toohey. But alas, now I think Rand sucks and Objectivism = Nazism. Why? Becuase Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World convinced me I was wrong. It isn't so much that I agree with GWGAHAASTW's detailed arguments. I just bow before his superior User Name. All hail GWGAHAASTW.

  • Sept. 6, 2007, 11:40 p.m. CST


    by Proman1984

    Everyone who liked "Fountainhead" is a dickhead. Ayn Rand was a paranoid bitch and her so called "philosophy" is a bunch of bull. Don't understand the appeal it holds to liberatarinas when it is clearly right wing propagands.

  • Sept. 6, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Who is John Galt, and Why . . .


    is he saying these terrible things about me? <br><br> I'm sorry, wrong movie. Atlas Shrugged has a tough premise to accept, and Objectivism is certainly flawed, although Rand's wholesale condemnation of socialism is pretty much unassailable, especially given it predicted much of the oppression, economic hardship, and the torrents of blood that socialism would give humanity before it had actually done most of that stuff.<br><br>House of Sand and Fog was garbage. Not only was it a horrible, largely plotless movie, it managed to make a naked Jennifer Connely surprisingly unappealing.<br><br>For anyone who believe their political point of view is the product of their life experiences, and that those poor fools who don't agree with their brilliant politics only disagree because they lack experience: you're a douche bag. It's probably mostly genetic, the rest of it peer pressure. Or completely invisible random macro and micro forces that we are completely unaware of, and we simply reverse-engineer our rationalizations for our political and ideological veiwpoints because we seek to explain what we have no conscious, and perhaps no subsconscious, awareness of. We might well each just be filling our prescribed checkbox in the universe's mathematical structure requirements.<br><br> And Nicholas Cage as Fu Manchu . . . I assume your dichotomous black and white diatribe against Republicans and office drones and people who don't believe in the philosophy of the nanny state was ironic. Because otherwise, you'd just be trying to have your cake and eat it, too. Which could be considered post-ironic, which would be even hipper than just ironic.