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Bond Action Gets Actionier!!
Merrick here...
If you're like most folks I know...and are a fan of the grueling, savage beat downs Jason Bourne mets out to pursuing operatives...and think James Bond could learn a thing or four from Bourne...then you're probably gonna dig this news.
Dan Bradley has been hired as the second unit director/action designer for BOND 22 (which is, obviously, a working title). Seems Bradley is responsible for the Bourn-ness that made Bourne Bourne, and now he's bringing his wicked magic to 007 (he's apparently just finished, or about to finish, his work on INDY 4!).
Bond. Bourne. Indy. He's worked on Spidey and SUPERMAN also. How frigging cool is this guy?
Read more about Bradley, and his work, HERE!
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Wait a minute... you're trying to be me!!!
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HAHAHAHA!
Damn people are looking at me.
Thanks a lot. -
"Damn, people are looking at me."
That'll teach me to surf AICN while at work.
Geez, I'm still giggling over that one, Arch. damn you. :) -
Did I miss something?
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...of randomly limbs flying about and shake the camera around so it looks like something is actually going on? How about they just spend a month teaching the actors to fight and choreograph actual fights scene instead?
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Just as long as he remembers Bond is not Bourne.
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I wonder how sex will look with shakycam...
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Hey, there was plenty of lifting- is that action??
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A 2nd unit director's job is to capture the director's vision and to mimic his style so that the experience to the film's audience is seamless.
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Seriously. They always trick you into believing the next Bond will be TOTALLY different...I won't fall for it again.
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How bout a 2nd unit that shows the action instead of what Micheal Gondry calls "Artificial Excitement from editing and camera motion". I'm all for the first person (we are in the room with Bourne) but our eyes compensate for movement quicker than the camera. When the camera moves too quicky it "motion blurs". The problem is at 24 frames a second, and assuming the shutter speed is not craned down like in Gladiator, wee see a lager amount of motion blur than one would with the naked eye. Artificial Excitement. Watch any john woo film from china if you want to see the camera used correctly.
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partly influenced by Bourne in Casino anyway?
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The next, next Bond movie, Bond 23, (or 25 if you count NSNA and Barry Nelson) should be based on the Colonel Sun" novel. That's the only Bond book that really conveys the character's brutality.
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Is that what I'm reading here? Wow. Maybe Bond just isn't your thing.
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That movie had it all.
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it was better than everything else. :-)
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I'm a casual but committed Bond fan and I don't get all this bashing of Casino Royale, which I feel was hands down one of the best Bond films in years. Would you prefer a return to Brosnan-era weak plots and horrendous dialogue (no fault of Brosnan of course)? The "new direction" they're taking isn't anything too drastic, they're just focusing on better stories, dialogue, and action. And how can you not love Bond's chemistry with Vesper Lynd?
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Hey, I loved Ultimatum as much as the next nerd, but combining these shakey-verite techniques with Mondo def digital techniques is gonna make somebody puke on their own lap. Action sequences, as shown in Bourne, can be intelligent to work. It doesn't have to be just explosions, crashes, yelling, fireballs and Optimus Prime.
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I couldn't tell what the fuck was going on during Bourne's fights. It's because they couldn't get Martin Campbell back, that they now have to resort nu-action horseshit(like random limbs and shakycam.) Get Campbell back!
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Well I can't really say yay or nay to this new guy being added. Casino Royal was easily my favorite Bond movie ever because ::gasp:: they adapted the book and took it seriously rather than many of the others that come across as parodies or mere pastiche ... even Fleming would agree to this.
Oh, and Colonel Sun will never be made into a movie since they already used elements of that books's story in "Die Another Day" (The bad guy Colonel Moon) as well as elements from the book Icebreaker (the ice palace). Many of the post Fleming books have been rendered unfilmable because they pick and choose elements from unrelated books and just smash em together in one story. -
I think it had something to do with Sony absorbing MGM. Sony has probably wrestled a lot of the control of the franchise away from the dipshit Broccoli family. Conventional wisdom might say that studio meddling is a bad thing but in this case I think the studio is much smarter than the Broccolis, who have really tried to kill their golden egg laying goose over the years. After Bond being so skewered by Austin Powers, Die Another Day seemed really stupid. The laser in space melting the polar ice caps was something Dr Evil would plan out.
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looks good, actually
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for the wretched Die Another Day? I have not read the book so don't know for sure, but think I read awhile ago that they used bits of it, or at least had some nods to it in the film. Which was FUCKING SHIT (not the book's fault).
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Resident Evil Apocalypse! That's what "brought the magic" to Casino Royale, really.
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I think I blinked and missed it.
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White lets Bond live and Bond doesn't wonder why. Worse, MI6 doesn't wonder why, and lets Bond and Vesper swan around with control of the money.
And no, it wasn't faithful to the book. In the novel, the money is retrieved by Mathis from where Bond hid it and sent to MI6. The Vesper romance and discovery of her double agenting is like a coda to the mission.
A real Bond movie doesn't have Bond sitting on his ass in a shower like some teenage girly boy. -
or do forget.
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I thought Bond 21 was amazing. And I think if the filmmakers maintain the balls-out hardass Bond, then this guy is gonna make it rock all the more. PS - I watched Goldeneye again the other night. Fuck me that was a good Bond movie. Martin Campbell just kicks all kinds of ass.
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Sep 04, 2007 10:46:29 AM CDT
Ya know who'd be a great 2nd unit director? Michael Bay
by big bad clone
He'd never hve to worry about emotional moments. Or keeping the story straight. Sure TF was shaky on the actual action, but that's because he had to worry about getting a box for Shia for when he stood next to Megan Fox and the writer going on and on about something called a 'plot'.The man basically comes when he talks about all the techinical shit.
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Is it me, or is this the first time they're announcing the hiring of a 2nd Unit director like he's a major star or something? Lets hope the tone of the action is consistent with the first one and doesn't go over the top like most sequels do.
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I want my 007 action stirring, NOT shaken.
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Craig and Damon to one another. "Bond, Bourne, Bourne, Bond"
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I'm not that impressed. A sequel to District B13 would impress me though. And leave Paul Greengrass and his frikkin shaky cam at home.
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. . . since the first flicks w/ the new lead are the only ones made right, where everyone involved gives their all.
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if his name was James Bond in the movie then it was part of the franchise. But go on believing what you want to. Also the earth is not round im told.
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And, THAT is a fucking beat down (back of the club in case your memory is foggy) It didn't even seem choreographed, capped with probably the best dick-punch in cinematic history.Fuck kung-fu, give me more of that.
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...the award for best pun I've ever seen in AICN talkbacks, hands down. :^DPS Casino Royale was great, that is all.
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if Casino Royale had been faithful to the book, we wouldn't have had the crane scene, rambo craig busting through walls, or the entire over the top building collapse at the end of the film. plus Bond would have been at least 6ft tall, with Dark hair.
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courtesy of Merrick, the worst AICN contrib. GET FIRED AND DIE!
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You'll probably need to provide links and diagrams to explain things...
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you mentionned Superman... If Bond starts peeping old girlfriends I'll walk right out...And where the hell was the action in Superman??? Well, it was when a plane crashed. Then.. well... well... I guess when the movie ended, 'cause of all the people leaving, now that made a ruckus!
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He picked up a spaceship. He picked up an airplane. He picked up a car. He picked up a rock. Basically, if you like your Superman picking up shit, then that was the movie for you.
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Only if Old Man Harrison's handling the camera. Zing!
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The Bourne films have laid down the blueprint for all action films from here on. If it wasn't for the Bourne franchise we would still get films like Die Another Day and Batman&Robin, instead of Casino Royale and Batman Begins.
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...he'd fucking KILL him, and Supes don't play that. Lifitng a fucking CONTINENT is super enough for me.
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No shit, Sherlock. Casino Royale isn't part of the previous franchise. It was intended as a relaunch using a different leading actor and featuring the very first Bond adventure ever written. I would expect a combination of new stories and maybe some remakes as they see fit. We already know the next one is an original and begins literally 2 minutes after Casino Royale and continues it's plot, so give ricarleite a cigar for getting it right.
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that is actually a double zing with a cherry on to. Can we start calling it. "Parkinson'sCam". Or mabye the "Un-SteadyCam"
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Stop talking to this chat board like you're teaching nerd 101. Thanks for point out that Batman and Robin sucked, cause that topic has never been discussed here and we feel better for your deep insight.... In reality, we are talking about other movies that may or may not suck on their own for other reasons than you are discussing.
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I mentioned it in my post but you musta missed it. Yes, Colonel Sun as well as Icebreaker were both cannibalized for Die Another Day.
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And I'll be the first one swinging the rope.
Oh, and to the complete douchebags who are busting on CASINO ROYALE, you idiots do realize CR is the best Bond film since ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE, right? Don't make me get the rope for you jokers as well...
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classic
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Not "mets out." Otherwise, good news though.
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Casino Royale was great, and not so similar to the shakey-cam of Bourne. I just hope the next Bond director doesn't try to copy Greengrass in this method.
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Did I really miss this news? I knew Martin Cambell wasn't coming back, and that disappointed the hell out of me....but I didn't know they already found a new one.
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then it all fell apart. One thing youn dont do is piss off animal rights people. They have just wrapped shooting the movies finale and are moving to spain. The scene in Italy involves the worlds most dangerous race where horses run at full speed through a small town. bond is on foot. Aminal Rights people were enraged.
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Just because a movie is a "reboot" doesn't mean its part of a different series. Just like The Living Daylights and GoldenEye (although LTK retained M and GE retained Q) were essentially restarts. All the EON produced Bond films including CR are part of the same franchise.
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Or is it "beat." My bad.
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Sep 04, 2007 1:05:03 PM CDT
God forbid that Bond piss off the animal rights people
by elvis cole lives
'Cause we all know how very, very, very, very important to both the Bond franchise and the continued existence of film that the 'fur is murder' crowd are. I mean, this is a fuckin' catastrophe that these guys are displeased. What shall Bond do? Oh, whatsoever shall WE do?
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As penance, Bond can rescue a few baby seals during a climactic Arctic showdown, putting his own life on the line to save some of these cute creatures while turning to the camera and saying "Meat is murder. One world. Peace." Maybe that'll satisfy the animal rights guys. 'Cause whatever happens this movie CANNOT be released with them pissed about a horse race. Oh, the equinity!
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Its structure is wrong. As soon as the love story kicks in, the film becomes something else.
The love story needed to be part of the story from the beginning to make the last act work. Its thesis was correct, but the anti-thesis and synthesis didn't penetrate and was unsatisfying.
I also think they stayed too close to the book in terms of structure.
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The bourne movies made me nautious to watch.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but a Second Unit director is supposed to make scenes fit seemlessly into the director's style of shooting. Whether you hate the shaky cam or not in Bourne - that's Paul Greengrass' style. Getting excited about a second unit director is a bit like getting excited for a new fry chef at McDonalds (ok maybe not, but I was trying to think of a funny metaphor).
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I really don't understand the whole resistance to the shaky cam. I loved all three of the Bourne movies and the action sequences weren't over the top, they were fucking brutal. Plus, you can see the action just fine. You just have to pay attention. God forbid you do some thinking in an action sequence. I'm all for it.
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I skimmed through the thing on HBOHD this past sunday. All I remember was a guy flying and twisting his wrists to turn.
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Excuse me but CR was NOT a Bond movie. The problem is that Bond is my thing. But a movie called "Bond" that is really a Bourne movie is not. Bond should NOT be Bourne. They are two different characters. Why do people wanna make Bond something he's not? Idiots. Next they'll want him to visit Narnia.
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...um... Casino Royale because he got it right the last time and the fighting and chases were f*cking amazing! I don't need my Bond films to be more like Bourne, I really just need tough as nails Bond and hot chicks showing as much skin as a PG-13 will allow (because they'll never give us an R Bond like we dream of.)
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The fights in Casino Royale, especially the construction site stuff at the beginning of the film, were great. The action was clearly framed and not obfuscated by shaky cam x1000. I hate it when the movement of the camera is more violent than the fight we're watching.
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Sep 04, 2007 3:18:52 PM CDT
Don't change the action guy, change the star + writers!
by derlanghaarige
I mean, the action was the best thing about Casino Royale! But Bond was miscast and the script was ridiculous!
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On Her Majesty's Secret Service was definitely the best until Casino Royale came around.
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Its says "Superman"...so calm down.
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i was against that Irish twat with the puffy voice from the start, and he damned nearly killed the series, especially with the pisspoor Die Another Day. Casino Royale was promising, but just too damned repetitive - every twenty minutes they stopped to remind you that this was "Bond at the beginning". how thick do they think we are, that was established at the start! on the basis of CR, though, Mr Craig's next outings should be good.
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I await the full wrath of the TB.
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But I really did enjoy CR. It owed a shitload to Bourne (argue that point at your leisure) but I genuinely thought it was a good flick. I've never been a Bond fan really (not since Jaws started fucking about in space rockets anyway) but i hope the best with the new batch of Bonds.
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It wasn't his fault that 3.5 of his 4 movies sucked. He was the right Bond at the wrong time.
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As much as I enjoyed CR I wanted to see longer and more violent hand-to-hand combat situations, just as with train fight in From Russia With Love. CR was the best thing to happen to Bond in years, and I for one wasn't sorry to see Brozzy go. Say what you want about Craig, but he was so much better than the smarmy, is my hair straight(?) Brosnan. And apart from the stunts, the last Bourne film was a bit of letdown. A borrowed plot from the 1st one and a "so what" ending that leaves you with the same hollow feeling as when you finish a Big Mac.
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Bradley designed bourne. Not he is designing bond22.
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bradley is designing bond.
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I seem to remember Superman being most famous for his RESCUES. Saving people, adverting disaster, that kind of thing. Superman is not a boxer or karate guy.
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Whatever happened to *action*?????
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QUESTION, who would win in a fight, Bond or Bourne?
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You seem like a cool cat, shuttlepod, but your OHMSS hate is as baffling as my friend's conjecture that SITH and EMPIRE were the worst SW movies (seriously, he does). Hunt's film should have been used as a blueprint for all subsequent Bond adventures.
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who is the second unit director? i hope this is a joke.
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That last Bourne movie would have been one of the best action flicks of all time if I could actually see the damn thing. If this Bradley guy was responsible, then I won't be bothering with the next Bond flick. I know, some wannabe director is out there thinking, "well the shaky close-ups reflect how you would feel in such a chaotic fight," and I call bullshit on that. Bond and Bourne are highly trained fighters. There's no way Bourne could counter the attacks he does, if he wasn't fully aware of what's going on in the fight. The only way that shaky bullshit makes any sense is if one of these guys was beating the shit out of me and the director was trying to capture my confusion (which would be abundant). But for trained agents, they should pull back as far as they can get away with and show the technical grace. I was so angry after leaving Bourne Ultimatum, that it was the first time at a movie where I felt like my money should actually be refunded. It was as bad as if the projector had gone out for half the flick.
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Wow there's a lot of hate for CR here, I never expected that. The comparisons with Bourne are pretty funny to me too. There's nothing in the spy genre not done first and better in Bond. Amnesiac spy going after his own people? Try reading You Only Live Twice and The Man With The Golden Gun. It's great that Ludlum could take a cliffhanger from a Bond book and turn it into a whole series but at the end of the day though I love Ludlum I'll always prefer Fleming.
As for CR's adaptation, though not totally accurate it was close, OHMSS is still the best film of the series though, because rather than doing a tongue in cheek pastiche of the book the actually did a serious adaptation.
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Identity theft is a serious crime.
MICHAEL!
Oh and Jason Bourne rocks the house. -
GREENGRASS SUCKS!
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I thought the action in Casino Royale was GREAT, especially that first chase thru the construction yard. But it was all terrific. Why isn't Campbell directing this one? I agree with the folks who say that the action in the Bourne movies is illegible and nausea-inducing. Yikes!
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Very cool news!
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>>Conventional wisdom might say that studio meddling is a bad thing but in this case I think the studio is much smarter than the Broccolis, who have really tried to kill their golden egg laying goose over the years.<< I completely agree. The key to Casino Royale was the casting, from Craig to Green to Dench to Wright. Sony is forcing the producers to hire a real director this time, and a great second-unit director. This bodes very, very well.
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>>Conventional wisdom might say that studio meddling is a bad thing but in this case I think the studio is much smarter than the Broccolis, who have really tried to kill their golden egg laying goose over the years. CUT I completely agree. The key to Casino Royale was the casting, from Craig to Green to Dench to Wright. Sony is forcing the producers to hire a real director this time, and a great second-unit director. This bodes very, very well.
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Jason Bourne's probably the more experienced, better trained guy, but James Bond is a heartless bastard. Bond shoots women. Bourne doesn't. James Bond electrocuted a dude with metal teeth. Bourne beat up some CIA operative dueche. Plus, Bourne's an uptight twat, Who'd miss him? Where with James Bond, think of all the rich, gullible sluts, bartenders and card sharks who'd be missing their favorite customer.
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People always say how much Casino Royale owed to The Bourne Identity, but what about the part in Casino Royale where Bond bashes the bad guys face in with the sink? The same attack appears again in the Bourne Ultimatum.
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will anyone notice? :I
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Sep 04, 2007 10:25:57 PM CDT
"Even Live and Let Die was better than Die another Day"
by and nicolas cage as fu manchu
WTF? Live and Let Die is awesome!!! Voodoo shamans, Bond running on alligators, multiple instances of Roger Moore being called a honkey, and a ridiculously hot Jane Seymour. I will not stand this Live and Let Die hate; it is sacrilege.
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It’s strange but I'm a huge Bond fan, but I actually waited to see the movie on DVD and I was slightly disappointed. I love OHMS and the hype around CR made me expect something different and I didn't feel it was that different. Maybe it’s the music, Love Dave Arnolds work on Stargate and Young Americans, but his music for Bond is weak. Bring in someone with balls so it doesn’t sound cheesy.
Those hating Craig need to be patient. Yes he was rough, and not smooth, but that’s the point. By the last Bond (I mean the 3rd Bond in this trilogy) I think we'll get the bond we all grew up on)
Marc Forster is an interesting choice, but it mirrors the failures of the Brosnan films. Kick start the franchise with a Director who can handle action and dram and then he gets replaced by a drama director. Maybe that why they have upped the ante on the 2nd Unit.
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but, yeah... he could amp up the beat-downs a couple o' notches.
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Wow, that's some really bad taste in film.
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don't worry the guys that did casino royale will be doing the stunt work on the next Bond . bradley is the second unit director which means he does not arrange the stunt sequences he shoots them . the stunt coordinator will be setting up the action and its all the same guys .sick of hollywood giving the stuntman a bad shake .
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Better have parkinsons if you wanna be a cameraman , cause you know its the "in" thing .
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It shouldn't adopt the shaky style. Shaky action sucks.
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hasn't influenced the Bond series. Ha. The Bond series should be striking out its own distinct image, not copying others. Kind of sad to see. At the end of the day there's been 21 Bond films now. They've done everything already. I enjoyed Casino Royale, it was a well made film, but pretty generic. So long as the producers keep hiring bland, pedestrian directors the Bond series will just chug along being entertaining but unremarkable. Sad really when you think of Connery's 60s epics that really caught the zeitgeist, and Moores flamboyant 70s extravaganzas. For me, the ultimate Bond film is The Living Daylights. Love that film, everything is class, especially Dalton, Barry's sublime score and the action. They nailed the tone on that film completely.
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Bourne 1's second unit director. He was the second unit diretor on Casino Royale as well! So I am not surprised on this decision from EON.
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...for Spidey 3 here in Cleveland. I can attest first hand to how hard his people worked, and how much they cared about what they were doing. Sadly, not much of it is reflected in what little footage they used from it in the final movie, which has gotta be the cinematic disappointment of the decade so far.
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Sex with a shakycam is probably a lot like sex when massively drunk... but massively more annoying and not nearly as satisfying. Ok, maybe they're not anything alike, now that I think about it.
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Okay, IMHO, this is gonna suck moose balls. Shakycam is quite possibly THE WORST TECHNIQUE EVER!!! It's like ever effing cameraman has a case of restless leg syndrome.
And what the hell is up with the two-second cuts in every car chase?!?!? Ronin still rules as the best car chase ever. -
for fucking retards! Fuck greengrass, what a tosser.
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The Ludlum books suck, ugmo Matt Damon sucks, and the whole series feels like a low budget film student project. Bond is still on shaky ground, but Casino Royale was ten times better than the other Bonds of the past 20 years.
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I forgot all about Moneypenny. Damn you, Judy Dench!
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Bourne and Bond are two completely different types of espionage thrillers. The techniques employed in directing a Bounre film suit that movie and not Bond. The 2nd unit director of the next Bond film will be mimicking the director's style and not the style of Paul Greengrass who made the Supereb Bourne sequels. For the guy who simply couldn't understand the CR plot: Bond was convinced that Mathis set them up and shot LeChiffe leaving him alive to somehow get the money an alternate way. Watch the film again and it answers all your stupid questions. MI5 didn't leave Bond and Vesper with all the money, the transfer of funds required both of their codes and was done as soon as they were reunited; the twist was that she transferred the money to SMERSH not MI5. The film is no where near as stupid as some people who watch it and simply can't follow the plot it seems. Just as the so called "shakey-cam" in the Bourne films is not shaking at all but merely in constant motion i.e NOT STILL. But apparently some of us can only decipher action from spoon-fed shots that are perfectly framed so unable to enjoy the artistry that makes the Bourne films so kinetic and thrilling to watch. ..unlucky for them, thank god the rest of us don't have that problem.
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Bond showing emotion by entering a shower with a traumatised woman is REALISTIC and in line with the original story where by he actually falls in love with Vesper and is about to give up everything to marry her. Maybe in your world love is about killing people and throwing a catchy one-liner to punctuate the death before screwing the girl you love; but in reality men who fall in love comfort their loved ones, be it in the shower or between bed sheets! Grow Up.
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shakeycam. It's supposed to add an extra layer of kineticism while giving you a documentary feel. However, it's still a crap technique when it comes to entertaining fight scenes, because you can't see the fists (or feet) connect to his (or her) opponent. That's remedial action 101 right there. The only info you're given are sound effects to know WHEN he got hit....however your mind is struggling with HOW the guy got hit. The Bourne scenes have a great build up, but when it's time to throwdown and let the audience enjoy a fight, Greengrass blows it. Then it's back to Joan Allen in the little room...reminding us how badass Bourne is for 20th time.
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Bond and Bourne are supposed to be different, that's true. I don't understand why people want to make them the same. But you're wrong, CR was a Bourne movie. Sad huh?
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Not that my comment has anything to do with OHMSS, but I just wanna say I haven't yet seen any of the shaky-cam Bournes, but I did see the new Casino Royale ... and LOVED it!!!
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