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Re: Dogma. Disney has no Balls.... Miramax still does!
Here's a message that I received at 0700 hours this morning... by 0930 hours, there was a report on NEWSASKEW in my email saying... basically the same thing... It looks like Bob and Harvey still have a nice firm ballsack and haven't been coerced by THE DISNEY CORPORATION. One way or another they'll release DOGMA, they believe so firmly in the film that they actually bought the negative from DISNEY and will release the film from another distribution company. YEA! Happy Happy Joy Joy... Now we need only wait for a release date!
Harry-san,
There's going to be a press release circulated later today (or early
tomorrow) which announces that Harvey and Bob Weinstein are buying the
negative to 'Dogma' back from Disney. Apparently, the film's too much
for Disney to handle, and they want to avoid the wrath of the Catholic
League (an organization that's attacked Disney in the past for their
same-sex health benefits amongst other things). The plan now is to
perhaps release the film through either Universal or Paramount (the
homes of Miramax co-productions 'Shakespeare in Love' and 'The Talented
Mister Ripley', respectively).
Call me Cromwell.
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First in talkback, aww yeah! Please don't go to Warner Bros.!! That's all I ask!!!
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I don't know who pisses me off more: 1) Conservative moralists (they're not all Christians, think about Salman Rushdie and the fatwa on his life, but the most are Christian around here) who can't allow anything that even minutely challenges their faith, as if they're scared that they'll see a movie and be convinced that they were wrong ("Any faith that cannot survive contact with the truth was not worth having." -Arthur C. Clarke), or places like Disney who buckle to the whims of those moralists. I consider myself a fairly moral person, in that I value other people's lives, and try not to hurt them...but I'm not afraid to encounter people who have different moral systems as me...AS LONG AS THEY DON'T TRY TO MAKE ME CONFORM TO THEM TO. For Disney, for the Christian Coalition, for the Ayottolah for whoever else is out there, the only really valid form of protest (IMHO) in cases like this is the boycott...you don't like it, you don't go...but you do NOT try to supress it. *stepping off soapbox* Now, with that said, I'm glad this movie is still going to be released...now, if they'd only set a date, as soon as possible. With Star Wars, the Blair Witch Project, Eyes Wide Shut, and Dogma, this is looking like it's going to be a kick ass year for movies. -Loki
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Just don't give it to Paramount if Kevin's Smith's vision is to be maintained, given the way that they especially adore test audiences over director's visions (e.g., Payback).
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It does my heart good every time I see the phrase "I'm first" way down in the talkbacks.
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Apr 07, 1999 12:32:25 PM CDT
Stolen Dreams, Kevin's Past Films, Reusing Ben Affleck, Screw Di
by vincent vega
OK, I'll start by saying Kevin Smith is ubertalented, Clerks was such an amazing film, it blew me away, I felt at home with though losers becuase I so closely resemble them. Mallrats however, was more a one note joke that barely held my attention, the one liners seemed overdone a bit. The Joey Adams tit shot was great and the 3-D image thing was neat, overall the movie wasn't that good. Chasing Amy however, kicked ass. Joey telling all her lesbian friends that she's seeing a guy was hilarious. 'I've stuck my finger up my ass, that doesn't mean I've ha anal sex.' That was funny. It was just something else. But has anyone noticed Kevin's obsession with Ben Affleck and Jason Lee? He actually wants Ben to play Superman. I don't see that happening EVER. He's so not right for the role. I do want to see Dogma because it sounds great, I myslef am athiest so I don't give two fucks whether people make fun of god, in fact, i very much enjoy it. On to my opinions about Disney, The Waterboy offened me a lot, so why did they still release it? Armegeddon offened me shitless! Me and everyone else I know, yet they still released it! And why! Obviously money wise, Dogma has Matt and Ben which is a draw. But it has what could be a very contraverial plotline. I don't see it making more than 25 mil. Even so, that would still be Kevin's highest grossing film. Also, there's an article in this months just released Premiere on this very subject. This publicity should help hype the already hyped film. Didn't Disney once say 'we are delaying it because we want to debut it at cannes'? Did I imagine that or did they say it? Fuck Disney, they suck, I hope they die. It's good to hear that Mirimax still has some indieness residing in it. Finally, to sum it all up, screw disney, and long live the career of Kevin Smith. PLuse here's a stupid little factiod I bet you don't care about: Simpsons and Futurama writer David Cohen also wrote the uberbad 'Friday The 13th Part 5: a new begining'.
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Kevin Smith is my favourite film maker hands down, better than tarantino, besson, rodriguez (sp?), woo et al...mainly because of one thing--dialogue. He writes better dialogue than anybody in hollywood and thats why this film will blow EPISODE 1 out of the water!
Also, if you've actually read the script...smith doesnt make fun of god, just gently ribs him. he's said before many times that hes a devout catholic, and for all those ignorants at disney, catholic coalition and TALKBACK you should go read it.
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I totally disagree with you on the Clerks issue. I didn't find it boring at all and the acting was decent enough to get the point across. I mean if that movie was such a hit with me and my friends, all who have ADD i might add, it couldn't have been boring. But what you said about Kevin Smith as a director was right. He is nothing special when it comes to directing. I even read somewhere where he admited to that. Dogma could change everything but I doubt it. His real talent is in writing.
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Yeah, I think I remember telling you about Disney and the Catholics YESTERDAY, but thanks for giving me some credit. Come on man!
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At least Kevin has had the chance to make a film. Not everyone gets 70 milion everytime they go out to make a film. I would rather watch 10 of his films then any by the creative dorks in Disney's arsenal. That's right! Stuff every Brookheimer/Simpson/Bay project ever created. Useless lines, bad acting, four letter word, gasoline explosion laiden, contrived piles of fluff. "Phone Booth" is going to be another in a long line of mindless stupid movies. At least "Dogma" asks you to make an opinion. It tries to do something other then hit the lowest comon denomenator joy buzzer.
No great director gains his vision the first times out. I respect Kevin because at least he causes the studios to think and make choices. Not like WB who green lights just about anything these days and then complains about their own stupidity latter. Say in the case of the "Wild Wild West" reshoots.
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How does that make Kevin a pompus ass? The only thing I can see in there that even comes close is "I attract some name talent these days", which is true! (I mean, look at the cast of DOGMA compared to his first film CLERKS- he obviously is moving up in the world). Face it, he's a good guy. And Quentin- thanks for setting me straight on the whole CLERKS thing. To think this whole time I thought it was a good movie, but with your words of eloquence I now know that it is shit- noonch. Keep up the work (if its good or not is entirely subjective)
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At least with Disney out of the picture we can hope the new company will do a great job marketing this movie. I've seen the trailer at Smith's comic shop, and fuck me! This trailer will get you going as much as Star Wars and Blair Witch does. Trust me.
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One of the main reasons this movie is offensive to Catholics (and other Christians) is that one of the characters is a descendent of Jesus Christ. Since Jesus never married that means he "begat" a child out of wedlock. In other words, this movie implys that Jesus was a lustful sinner. Maybe the historical Jesus was. However, for faithful Catholics, this depiction is gravely offensive. It attacks the very foundation of our faith. Also, from what I've read, there's a ton of other stuff in this movie which is nearly as bad. Recently, "Xena" did an episode which featured Hindu deities as characters. I've studied Hinduism and I thought the episode treated these religious icons with respect. However, real live Hindus did not like seeing their gods hanging out with the Warrior Princess. Sam Raimi suddenly saw this situation from their point of view and agreed to never air this episode again. Even though to him, (and to me), the Hindu gods are only characters in a story, Raimi realized that he should be respectful of the religious faith of others. Jesus might only be a storybook character to you, but I and many others know (in a religious sense) that He is my Savior. That might seem a little medieval to you, but to us it is a Truth that cannot be denied. Tolerance is neccesary for the advancement of Peace. Intolerance, such as what has been posted on this list, leads ultimately to what we are seeing in Kosovo. Disney, for once, decided to pass on a chance to insult Christians. I thank them. If someone else wants to distribute, go ahead. The first amendment grants them this right. However, we should remember that all speech should be free, but not all speech promotes freedom.
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I'm still relatively new to AICN, but I gotta say, I'm fast becoming addicted to Lane and Quentin's latest go-rounds as I am to the actual movie news! HA! (Lane wrote "dingleberry." Hee-hee!)
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i'm so so so tired of the word "uber". i'm pretty sure that most people that use it have no real clue as to what it means. it's just become the go-to word when a really good adjective fails to come to mind. so instead of using, *shudder* the word Uber...go find a dictionary. please for the sake of my sanity.
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Have you lost your everloving mind? Dogma will be a nifty summer movie. Episode One will be a cultural measuring stick of a generation. There is no compare and contrast here. This is the year of, summer of and rebirth of the Star Wars mania. Dogma is a blip on the radar screen, along with other movies such as Eyes Wide Shut, Austin Powers and the Green Mile. Nothing more and nothing less.
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I won't even bother to discuss the irony there... If you know what I mean, you know what I mean.
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That is the most absurd comment I've heard in a long time. If you self-righteous jerks get offended by a movie, your "faith" must not be very strong. Give me a break !! Next thing you know, Son of Sam will be offended by his/it's portrayal in Spike Lee's "Summer of Sam".
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Christians are amoung the most stuck up people I've ever encountered, don't go singing like they are victims in a close minded society. They are the closed minded society. As for Jesus never marring? C'mon, he was jewish, you think his mother would let him get away with that? He was 30 or so before he started preaching and riding the donkey so that gave him plent of time to have a family and builting crosses for the romans.
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Actually, the movie has a decendant of Mary and Joseph... descended from a child they had *after* Christ. Though in a peripheral way, I guess that explanation does get at why Christians are offended: they're looking to be.
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Apr 07, 1999 2:59:21 PM CDT
A random John Lennon quote that I felt somewhat goes along with
by bemistape
"God is a concept by which we measure our pain."
-Lennon
Hey, you guys better be nice, cuz me and God are cool like that....
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I apologize if I was mistaken about the woman being a descendent of Jesus. I have not read the script since I haven't found it on the net yet. I based my comments on a report from Matt Drudge who is usually very reliable. (If you don't know who Matt Drudge is, get off the net.) However, if this woman is a descendent of Mary & Joseph, that still is a slap in the face to Catholics. Some of the posters to this list seem to think that insulting the Catholic faith is a self-justifying act. Yes, there have been evil, vicious Catholics and Christians. Yes, some people of faith are pig-headed and intolerant. However, all I ask is that you don't lump all Christians together and stereotype us based on what the worse of us do. Faith is a deeply personal thing. To attack a person's faith is often more cruel than to attack a person physically. I don't know what else to say. If you HATE, reason won't reach you and words won't touch you. Hatred is seductive abd addictive. Anyone, Christian/Jew/Muslim/Atheist, who lets it into their heart harms themselves and will likely harm others.
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Apr 07, 1999 3:13:17 PM CDT
Right!! The organized church has killed in the name of God for c
by dennis
You know, God didn't give us free will so that we would follow these so called "leaders" like mindless sheep. We are allowed to question religion, and Kevin is not making fun of God in my opinion, or Jesus. I have read the script, and he is making fun of ORGANIZED RELIGION. I'll go see this movie with open arms, because I think that the leaders of these holier-than-thou organizations need a swift kick in the @$$, and a wake-up call to start thinking on their own. Not that a simple film will do it, but I appreciate any opportunity at enlightenment. If your religion is so sacred and right, then it can withstand the criticism. WAY TO GO MIRAMAX!!!
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And he should be banned. That is all.
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Respect? No, no way. Not for dirty Christianity. You can respect Native American animism, or california New Age, or even atheism, but not Christianity. Nu-uh, out of the question. They are all Fundamentalist fascist whackos, anyway, right? Hypocrites.
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I would like to state that I feel I represent most people when I say that christans are not all right-wing wacko fundamentalists. However, you do allow right-wing wacko fundamentalists to represent you and speak for you on a national level. The Christian Coalition thinks it represents you. How do you feel about that?
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Apr 07, 1999 3:39:49 PM CDT
DOGMA, RELIGION, LANE MYERS AND THE WHOLE POSTING THING...
by harkonnen20
Okay, it's pretty obvious right from the initial post that this film isn't going to be everyone's cup of tea. But then again, what film ever has? I found Bambi offensive because of it's sophomoric allegory to death and the implication that the world rewards cuteness above quality. Does that mean that I despise every kid whose ever loved Bambi? No way...Tolerance, folks, that's where it's at. Look. Kevin Smith makes, at best, wry, pundently sophomorically comical, yet insightful statements about serious matters. With Clerks, commitment, friendship and obsession. With MallRats, adolescence, and with Chasing Amy, diversity and the bounds of friendship. With Dogma, it's an allegorical take on the current state of faith...religion. Is mans' belief in religion above comment? Above critique? No. TVGuy, I understand your position, I really do. A person's faith, in and of itself, shouldn't be condemned or mocked. But if the institution, in the form of a comedic take on the destiny of another child born to two historically important people of the bible, is interpreted with a alternative twist of humor, let it happen...Where's your PR head? If Kevin Smith takes on religion, it makes people consider religion and God. And really, that should encourage them to make up their own minds. Not the film. As for greg3781 and some of the other posters in here, look at your own words, man. I also have your back, but show some tolerance for TVGuy's point. Not every, single Christian is a fucking hypocrite or snob. C'mon man...I know some, and they're people of integrity. Cut some slack. Severian, I get you...tolerance has NEVER been the strong leading foot of the church. Fear of change and tactics of assimilation have left a nasty taste in our collective history from the church. But folks, no movie is going to satisfy each of us...And LANE MYERS, your talking shit again. I thought you and I squared this away once before. Don't come in here and start talking shit again. Make your point, then leave the bullshit sarcasm and penitentiary rape allegories out of it. What's with you man? You wear your opinion like your dick in here. If someone doesn't agree with you, leave it alone, and stop MIND FUCKING THEM. Man, you were doing so great for awhile there...more tolerance for others, better postings, clearer thoughts. But the bully's back...what a drag.
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Apr 07, 1999 3:44:26 PM CDT
DWD: I Hate Miramax. Last night, I wanted them dead. Tonight, I
by dwdunphy
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They really are. What a pathetic fucking corporate clan. They can't go to the bathroom unless a concensus committee agrees that they all feel a simultaneous pressure in their collective bowels...Any company that produces films by demographics, marketing trends, focus groups and audience tolerance factors is really sad. They've sold out so long ago they've forgotten the adventure that is the sheer will to create art. And hey, Paramount and Warner's are no better. Shame...I sadly believe we'll see Miramax go this way too. It's only a matter of time. But I really hope it doesn't.
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I don't know who else here got a chance to read the script, but I thought it was really crappy. The characters were underdeveloped and most of the jokes were pretty lame. i think Miramax's reluctance is not only because of the controversial nature of the film, but the fact that it's pretty much a dud. I will be anyone good money that it won't break $20 mil.
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you know this talkback reminds me of several of the talkback back in Nov. and Dec. concerning the PoE...I'll admit that I'm not athe most religous person in the world and I disagree with TVGuy's comments...don't you know anything about Christianiyt...Whoa Mary and Joesph did have Sex...there's a passage in the Bible about Jesus brothers and sisters...in fact the book of James is by James the brother of Jesus. Why do people forget things like this...as for Christians being intolerant I'll admit that yes some Christians are intolerant and uniformed but not all...The Bible teaches that we are to love our neighbors...we are to hate the "sin" that they commit but we are still to love them...that's what a lot of Fundies forget when they are shooting abortion doctors, or when the Inquestion killed Joan of Arc and others, when the English did the crusades...Yes these were offensive acts but why do you hold them over ALL christians...that's not right...I've read the Dogma script, seen the movie, watched the trailer...it's great...I wasn't offended at all...in fact it made me think...I'm not comparing him to Martain Luther or John Calvin but his movie is what the church needs; a kick in the ass
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As a lapsed Catholic (for reasons I won't go into here) I have a tough time with people preaching their morality and their dogma to me but I respect their opinions and their right to protest movies. "Protest" being the key word here not "prohibit" because as a couple of countries (I'm Canadian) who pride themselves on free speech we cannot ban any movie, book, or music. Period! I hate the racist bastards that make up the KKK and neo-nazi groups but they have a right to say what they want as long as I am given forum in return to disprove or at least argue my points.***TVGuy, I have some education (12 years) in the Catholic school system and I'm not sure why a descendant of Joseph and Mary is a challenge to the Christian faith. In the bible I read, they are not mentioned much after Christ wanders the world preaching so the challenge that they do not have other children seems ludicrous at worst and short sighted at best. Now I'm not saying you are either of those but if you can give me an example in your faith about their being no descendants, I will withdraw those statements.
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DOGMA will fail....
Why?
Simple.
Kevin Smith has no talent.Zilich,Zip Nada...I've seen Clerks,and chasing amy and they were slow boring (If yu took out all the profanity you would see that the films only run about 20 minutes worth...) and lacked any real creativity. DOGMA is the same.....
Why?
Simple...
If you are insulting catholics everywhere its a sure sign your moive sucks....Yes I said it and I'll repeat it for all you KS grungies who are stll waking up.
BIGOTRY TOWRADS CATHOLICS IS THE ONLY ACCPETABLE FORM OF BIGOTRY IN ENTERTAINMENT.
Those of you who trash the Catholic church about not being tolerant and saying it deserves a kick in the ass bought right in to it..Think I'm off my rocker just insert the word Jews or blacks in your statements and see how you sound.
If Kevin Smith has to resort to this type of slander and hate in a lame attempt to cover his film flaws he'll be lucky to break even... Oh yes by the way the Catholic Chourch does more to care for the sick and suffering in one day than all the couch potato liberals have done done in the last 30 years
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Apr 07, 1999 4:15:30 PM CDT
Think I'm off my rockers just read LaneMayers hate filled diatri
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Would Lane Be a hero if he said this about blacks,jews or gays I think not something to think about
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Lane you woke the dragon do not come crying to me when it flames your anti-catholic intolerant ass....
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First, I want to say "thank you" to Harkonnen20 for being the first person to finally say whats really going on. Good job.
Now I'm wondering, why can't people (ie- the common man) just accept the fact that there are crazy radicals in EVERY group? Its not just the Christians, its the Muslims and the Jews, ect. Christians are just the cool thing to pick on this century, I guess- I'm not saying we should forget about all the atrocities that have been committed in the past, but other groups have done things just as nasty. Besides, decendents/new-followers of a group AREN'T resonsible for the "sins of the father".
And now for the ceremonial LANE bashing- you know Kevin Smith is a Roman Catholic, right? You know that his criticisms are aimed at a "corrupt" Church, and not at the very concept of the religion, correct? I think you do, and I'm guessing your abso-fucking-crazy post was nothing more than a ruse to rile up some pissed off fundamentals. And btw, its nice to see you've at least *heard* about the play "Corpus Christi" , much less rip it off. Ciao -
1) How can Kevin (a devout Catholic, not even lapsed like myself) be formenting against Catholics?! If anything, it's self-reflection.
2) If Dogma gets a nationwide release and any kind of marketing push at all, it will pull in at least 50 million. It's that simple.
10 million from the business and repeat business of Smith faithful and indie enthusiasts.
30 million from the business and repeat business of horny girls and women ogling Damon.
10 million for Chris Rock fans.
Everything else is gravy.
And as for the literal interpretations of the Bible? The assumptions that the books weren't created, selected and edited at the sole whims of whatever power structure wasn't in control at the time? The assumptions that the current power structures haven't perverted them further?
Man, wake up! Do you believe pro wrestling? Are you shocked to discover Nimoy didn't have pointed ears in person? Tried to purchase foodstuffs with Monopoly money, disappointed at Parker Bros for selling fake money? Sent angry letters to Publisher's Clearing House looking for your ten million?
So quick to believe. The most important part of any faith is rational doubts, here and there.
It's gonna make a bundle if its sincerely marketed, and if the script is any indictation, it's gonna be great.
Deal with it.
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Gimme a break, Lane!!! Two things and first things first....One, what in the hell was that whole diatribe up top? What's the point of it? To exemplify that your agnostic, or don't believe in Christ. Okay, fine. Your choice. So that everyone understands, I wouldn't give two squirts of piss for Lane himself, but the guy's got the right to believe/not believe, WITHOUT RETRIBUTION, CONVERSION OR JUDGEMENT in what he wants.
I'm buddhist, personally, and for those wetheads out there yes I still believe that Christ existed even though I pray to Buddha ( They aren't mutually exclusive..I hear so much ignorance on this) and that not withstanding, I will die for the right Lane has to not believe in God. Don't agree with you...but I believe in free will. Calvinism or Conversion, you've got the right to believe in what you choose. BUT TO SIT AT YOUR DESK AT WORK AND LAMBLAST ANOTHER PERSON BECAUSE OF THEIR BELIEF, TO MOCK THEIR GOD, DENEGRATE THEIR FAITH, SOIL WHATS IMPORTANT TO THEM, AND THEN SNIVEL UNDER THE BLANKET OF FREE EXPRESSION...You take the taco pal! What a moron!
What fucking Oscar in insensitivity are you training for? You're a graphic artist, dipshit. What, you were born with all that talent? BULLSHIT. You developed it. You worked for it. Just as TVGuy works for his faith in God. Which brings up point two...You know damn well that TVGuy isn't playing by the same rules as you are, fuck, he isn't even in the same fucking game. I never heard the guy ragging you personally. You know you outgun the guy on vitriolic dialogue and venom, so why fucking pick on him? God, you are SO FUCKING PARANOID!
Lane, I'd like you to meet tolerance for others without judgement...don't believe you've ever met.
By the way, I'M NOW JUDGING YOU!!! I DO THIS BASED ON YOUR ACTIONS YOU'VE DEMONSTRATED HERE!
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Gimme a break, Lane!!! Two things and first things first....One, what in the hell was that whole diatribe up top? What's the point of it? To exemplify that your agnostic, or don't believe in Christ. Okay, fine. Your choice. So that everyone understands, I wouldn't give two squirts of piss for Lane himself, but the guy's got the right to believe/not believe, WITHOUT RETRIBUTION, CONVERSION OR JUDGEMENT in what he wants.
I'm buddhist, personally, and for those wetheads out there yes I still believe that Christ existed even though I pray to Buddha ( They aren't mutually exclusive..I hear so much ignorance on this) and that not withstanding, I will die for the right Lane has to not believe in God. Don't agree with you...but I believe in free will. Calvinism or Conversion, you've got the right to believe in what you choose. BUT TO SIT AT YOUR DESK AT WORK AND LAMBLAST ANOTHER PERSON BECAUSE OF THEIR BELIEF, TO MOCK THEIR GOD, DENEGRATE THEIR FAITH, SOIL WHATS IMPORTANT TO THEM, AND THEN SNIVEL UNDER THE BLANKET OF FREE EXPRESSION...You take the taco pal! What a moron!
What fucking Oscar in insensitivity are you training for? You're a graphic artist, dipshit. What, you were born with all that talent? BULLSHIT. You developed it. You worked for it. Just as TVGuy works for his faith in God. Which brings up point two...You know damn well that TVGuy isn't playing by the same rules as you are, fuck, he isn't even in the same fucking game. I never heard the guy ragging you personally. You know you outgun the guy on vitriolic dialogue and venom, so why fucking pick on him? God, you are SO FUCKING PARANOID!
Lane, I'd like you to meet tolerance for others without judgement...don't believe you've ever met.
By the way, I'M NOW JUDGING YOU!!! I DO THIS BASED ON YOUR ACTIONS YOU'VE DEMONSTRATED HERE!
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should be blocked from posting. I mean really, intelligent debate is one thing. Meaningless, beligerent attempts to piss everyone off is another. He brings the level of your whole site down. I have never seen an intelligent post from this loser. Here's an idea - make your next poll an open vote to punt him or leave him be, and I bet it's overwhelmingly in favor of the punt. Anyone agree?
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Everyone...My apologies on the extensive use of foul language in my previous posting. Upon reflection, it wasn't necessary. The Web is a great and terrible thing. It expresses the mechanics of communications without the context and the evoked emotion. No excuse...But my point still stands. I'm leary to punt anybody for expressing themselves here, but I sure feel like it. Hate to say it, but for this forum to be honest, it has to withstand Lane's postings...Yuck, I hate being morally ambivilent. Still it seems that it isn't enough that Lane be right, but that all be wrong...
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Apr 07, 1999 5:26:54 PM CDT
And here you guys are...falling for it hook, line and sinker...
by dennis
You know why Lane keeps posting? Because he's bored at his job, and the only way to get people to engage him in conversation is to piss them off to endless limits. Then, he gets a steady stream of emails and posts directed at him to respond to. Keep fueling the fire, hozers. ***On another note, I don't have a problem with any religious group, per se, I have a problem with ORGANIZED RELIGION AS A WHOLE. It's brainwashing. Look at history.
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I have nothing to say on this cuz ive yet to see a Smith film and i dont know much about Jesus' sexual preference. But I would like to say that its nice to see someone else take the crown of "AICN's most hated". Lane, have you noticed that you and I both have names that start with an L and an A? And all the movies are made in LA. Weird, man, weird. Anyway, Lane, good luck with the hate mail.
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This is pretty similar to what they did with the distribution of "Kids" in the face of potential protests, huh? Excalibur Films, I believe it was called.
Neat.
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Apr 07, 1999 5:48:09 PM CDT
Okay, this is for the guy who said that Kevin Smith is 'No Taran
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Fuck you. Who said that Tarantino was a filmmaker in the first place? He's unoriginal. Smith, on the other hand, has atleast some originality behind his films. The dialogue is written excrutiatingly well. Am I wrong? Tarantino has ripped off of almost every filmmaker in history, and just got lucky with PULP FICTION. I don't hate Tarantino, but I just can't take it when people think of him as this God of a director. Because he's not. Anyway, about the whole Disney thing with DOGMA... it's probably a good thing that Disney dismissed it, cuz Kevin Smith's films belong with the Miramax label on them. Out.
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Okay, let's clear up some things here first. One - Ignore Lane, he admited he has no life, and this is all he can do to amuse himself that requires two hands. Two - Jesus was not a man, he took on the nature of a man. Three - Mary and Joseph did not have maritial relations. The greek word which is translated into english is brothers, but in greek it means cousins. The brothers of jesus are his cousins. There are a couple references to so-and-so the son of Mary, but there were there mary's at the foot of the cross, and as I recall one of them was Mary the Mother of God's relative. Four - Kevin Smith is not a devout Catholic. Believe me, and man who does what he does, only *thinks* or *pretends* he's a devout Catholic. And Fifth and finally - I read the script, it was kind of funny, and it was a cool "mythology" story. It even seemed to put Catholosism in it's place, by added stuff to the historical facts, and offering different explantions for things. However it contains many facts which are conterdictory or offensive to God, his church, and plain or history, as well as the common intelligent being (the shit monster and air freshner???). And Lane, you finally suceeded in being the most revolting and offensive being ever to spew garbage from their lips for the hell of it.
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This is the best new I've read since Star Wars trailer B... I've read Dogma screenplay, I've found it great, perhaps a little too long, but great. I believe in God, and I don't like Catholic Church (btw: most of my family is Catholic). I found Dogma a deeply religious film. Kevin Smith is attacking Catholic Church, but on the other hand he makes a film about God, salvation, grace...
I sincerely hope the film to be at Cannes (and me to be at Cannes too;-)): in a Film Festival it will be considered much more as the Auteur (sp?) film that it is, and less as "Mallrats part 2" (that, luckily, it is not). -
I look forward to seeing Dogma, and I am a Christian. I believe Jesus to be my Savior. How about that? In my opinion, true faith in God and religion are two separate things - One being a life sustaining spirituality and the other being a cesspool of corruption, bigotry and hypocracy. God calls the faithful to believe and to live a moral life. Religion calls for more money on the backs of those who can ill afford it, who are sliding down under the very real problems of the world but getting little more than an obligatory word of comfort. Whether Dogma is there as good-natured satire or mean-spirited beatdown, it serves one function quite well... It gets people talking about something beyond simple moviegoing. That's a pretty big deal and the movie hasn't even come out yet! I believe Disney will come to regret letting the film go, not only because of the financial aspect (I think this film will do quite well, see) but that the movie might just be the sharp-tongued, thought provoking sort flick, much like A Clockwork Orange, though I dare say that I don't think Kevin is up in Kubrick's rank... yet...
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I look forward to seeing Dogma, and I am a Christian. I believe Jesus to be my Savior. How about that? In my opinion, true faith in God and religion are two separate things - One being a life sustaining spirituality and the other being a cesspool of corruption, bigotry and hypocracy. God calls the faithful to believe and to live a moral life. Religion calls for more money on the backs of those who can ill afford it, who are sliding down under the very real problems of the world but getting little more than an obligatory word of comfort. Whether Dogma is there as good-natured satire or mean-spirited beatdown, it serves one function quite well... It gets people talking about something beyond simple moviegoing. That's a pretty big deal and the movie hasn't even come out yet! I believe Disney will come to regret letting the film go, not only because of the financial aspect (I think this film will do quite well, see) but that the movie might just be the sharp-tongued, thought provoking sort flick, much like A Clockwork Orange, though I dare say that I don't think Kevin is up in Kubrick's rank... yet...
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You may hate Disney but they aren't stupid when it comes to money. The truth is, they would put up with protests if it meant they would be making a buck. They don't have any faith in Dogma to make money, period.
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Oh, man. Never has a talkback stirred such anger in me. Before I rant and rave, a quick background on me to let you know where I'm coming from: I was raised Christian (Methodist), but now consider myself a deist (I believe in God, but that's about it). I don't believe Christ was the true Son of God. I also find it unlikely (under my conception of God) that God would ever "choose" a people (e.g. the Jews) over another one. My vision of God would not play favorites. God, to me, exists - but is undefinable. That being said, let me begin. All of you who are viciously attacking Catholicism and stereotyping Christians in general are all a bunch of fucking hypocrites and that pisses me off more than anything in the world. A little while ago, Harry posted an article about "Gay" films coming out and he warned (RIGHTLY SO) that any hate-filled bullshit in the talkbacks would get you the boot. Now, in that talkback there was a poster who objected to homosexuality, but did so respectfully - and he was not banned (rightly so). The crap that has been posted here is NOT respectful whatsoever. Lane, I've defended you in the past, but have finally lost all respect for you. You may have thought that your past post was a joke, but it was a slap in the face to believers. It was hateful. If you had called blacks, Asians, Jews, Muslims, or any other friggin' GROUP "stupid", you would be immediately recognized as the hate-filled bigot that you apparently are. Are there Christians who are intolerant, who appear to be hypocrites themselves in not embracing those who have different views, lifestyles as themselves? Definitely. However, there are many, many more who do a hell of a lot of good in the world which does not and will not be making the nightly news. The stereotyping of Christians on this page is unbelievable and sad. Rocqueja has it ABSOLUTELY right. Catholics have the right to protest against this film. They have the right to inform news stations and newspapers that they find the material within the film an insult to their faith. They do NOT have the right to get the government to censor the film. They DO have the right to object to offensive material within a film and should express that right if they feel compelled. Why do you all get your panties in a bunch when Catholics object to elements of a story - that are directly aimed at them, and that appear to be mocking concepts within their faith that they hold dear??? Well, that's it for now. I leave you with this: Some of you need to examine what you have written, and then think honestly about what your feelings are regarding grouping people, and about saying things that puprosely attempt to ridicule and deride a group's entire belief system. I find it to be a grievous wrong - something that I will ALWAYS fight against - NO MATTER THE GROUP. Do you?
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Matt Drudge is "reliable." If you really believe that, you should "get off the net."
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You all talk much about Lane the Asshole, and perhaps how he should be banned from these Talkbacks. True, and you have good reason. However, if you'll notice, Lane, while being intentionally a jerk, has brought out a side in many of you that you probably hadn't used much before- your ability to think open mindedly and discuss your feelings on such a hallowed subject as religion. That, I think, is something that Kevin's movie may accomplish. It's going to offend probably a good deal of people just by it's very existence, but it hopefully will create a sort of dialogue amongst our generation whereupon we can share ideas without the fear of persecution. Movies have that sort of power, that sort of influence. Assholes also have that power. They show us the unadulterated faults in our very nature. Think about it- if not for Hitler and our fear of another Holocaust, would we be trying to save people in Yugoslavia? History teaches us to learn from the mistakes of past assholes.
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Right on You hit the nail right on the head I for one will say it before and say it again This film is intnaionally trying to piss off people who are christians (KS is not a devout catholic he probably could not find a church exept if he need a place to shoot some herion...) he has stated so also. and I'll repeat BIGOTRY TOWARDS CATHOLICS IS THE ONLY ACCPTED FORM OF BIGOTRY THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY PROMOTES. Think i'm being pious just "_______ needs a kick in the ass" other than catholic church and you will see oh so many whiners on talk back talk about bigotry....Hypocrites all (Must be watching too much MTV...)
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The reason that Kevin re-uses Affleck and Lee is that they're friends. Back before Chasing Amy and Mallrats, before Good Will Hunting, Kevin in interviews had spoken about 'my boys Ben and Matt...'
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Gawd. Just get on and be happy, you guys. Life is good. Last night I saw Billy Connoly live, in an hour I see The Matrix on the best screen in Brisbane (Australia, where it just came out today). Screw this fighting. A new Kevin Smith movie, how cool is that?
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Apr 07, 1999 7:57:55 PM CDT
ALL OF THOSE WHO THINK THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS GETTING WHAT IT DE
by 20th century fox
Yes you should sorry about mu grammarticly inccorect talkback...
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INDEPENDENCE DAY - Offensive in its insinuation that Americans can even save their own arses, let alone the rest of the world
THE PEACEMAKER - who was the bad guy in this movie?
pick a WW2 movie, any WW2 movie
KUNDUN - The US meddling in Tibetan affairs is so much better than the Chinese doing it
...I could go on, but my point is this: All of these films are offensive - at least I find them offensive. For any particular film someone, somewhere, will find it offensive - even BAMBI, it seems, is offensive.
That doesn't mean it should be banned or, worse still, the film-maker should be shot (well.. Devlin and Emmerich maybe;) - because that would be a profound category error.
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After reading the two posts about lane I have more conivinced he is a total hypocritie this is the most intolerant man I have ever seen (Look at what he did to his girlfriend....) man Lane you need to go to a church and find some salvation or something...
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Let's not forget: this country was founded by religious fanatics
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Well now...I can only echo much of what PDaddy has to say. The depth of anti-Christian animosity that's erupted on this board is alarming, and it leads me to suggest that some folks might want to call the nurse in to adjust the drip (it's the red button). And perhaps to read with an open mind before conjuring up visions of the Inquisition, the Salem witch trials, and uncomfortable pews. No right minded Catholic - or any other Christian - would suggest banning or censoring any film, and to think otherwise is a massive overestimate of the political power (and mendacity) of American Christians in 1999, organized or not. Which, I might add, is a long way from protesting or even boycotting when the entertainment industry sinks to some new low in trashing one's faith - a fairly common occurrence these days, which gives lie to the curious idea that Williamson or Miramax are somehow taking a leap into social martyrdom by releasing this film (more like a leap into Beverly Hills' toniest and leftish parties). Recent Catholic concerns with Disney and its subsidiary Miramax stem more from the controversial anti-Catholic 1995 film PRIEST, rather than its same-sex benefits policies (you may have us confused with the Southern Baptists) - particularly because it IS Disney, a company that takes pride in its role as a purveyor of family entertainment. We're not asking anyone here to take communion. We're not asking the government to ban this film, or put Kevin Williamson on the rack (Larry Flynt, however, is tempting). Some of us may even plunk down our pesos to judge the film ourselves. But don't be surprised - or alarmist - if some of us are offended enough to register our concerns through appropriate means. And if that is somehow still construed as the impending footsteps of theocracy, I suggest you book your next vacation in Afghanistan.
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Can't we all just get along? Y'know, if all the world's a stage, when were auditions?
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Hmmm...where to start. Harkonnen...good response to Lane, and thanks for apologizing for swearing too much...not that any of us really noticed...we're just used to that shit. Lane, I think you went a little too far, but that's your prerogative...I don't know how far you went, because I just skipped over your post...it was three times longer than it really needed to be. Hmmm...what else...a descendant of Mary is offensive to the Catholic church because they believe that she was a virgin throughout her life; in fact, she was without sin. As an atheist, I don't believe this, but after dating a Catholic (an interesting mix, let me tell you), I can tell you that they sincerely believe this, and that it makes sense to them...I respect that, even though I disagree with that....hmmm...what else? To all those who attack the Christians for their intolerance, try reading through your post before you put it up, and make sure you're not a FUCKING HYPOCRITE!!! Sorry, just wanted to make sure you saw that. There's a certain amount of irrationality in faith, so it's possible to attack it, but there's also a certain amount of rationality in it, and comfort. This goes both ways. I have read Dogma, and I believe it to be on both sides...as Kevin Smith does often, he goes for the cheap laughs (to entertain those out there who think that Christianity is a crock of shit), and for the introspective serious look at it (which as a Christian himself he deals with...like I did until I became an atheist ((my father is pastor)) )...I hope it works. As for Tarentino and Smith, well, they're both trying to do the same thing. They both are recycling old cliches into (hopefully) new and interesting stuff. They both take a post-modern look at the world of movies...Tarentino is the more artistic director, but Smith writes more realistic Gen X characters...and they're two of my favorite directors (along with Kubrick)...they're damn good at their jobs, but in different ways. -Loki
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was THAT? Geez, is this the talkback area or Oprah? What do I care about Lane's personal life? I find the face he presents in here pretty dispicable....though it's really interesting that after I spoke out against Lane last month, several of his dronies started spamming me with email about how great Lane was, how he was so successful at work as a graphic artist. How he was married. That his wife is expecting their first child...That Lane has written over 6 completed screenplays, and that the guy was adored as an intelligent, insightful guy. Well, someone's lying here. Either Lane has this Walter Mitty thing going on with the great wifey poo at home and he's just a controversial dick in here for shits and giggles, or he's the asshole who pitched a girl shit out on the patio. Lane, make up your frigging identity already....And what was with that NOVEL you wrote? Man, you must have been busier than a cat covering crap on a marble floor writing that tome.
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faith does not mean I have lost mine or mine is any way shape or form false or inauthentic. I wont go into a theological disscussion here (There are others who do that better than me...) but the mere fact Kevin Smith uses lines like "Faith is like water as you get older you need a bigger glass.." pr something to that effect only proves that film is a loser. EXAMPLE in 1992 mikel tolkin released a boxoffice bomb called THE RAPTURE it had a line quite simialr in meaning: "God is like a drug instad of herion you do god..." All of those on the Hollywood left champoned this film but exepect for one thing NO ONE SAW IT CAUSE PEOPLE ARE CATCHING ON TO THE BAITING HATRED THAT PEOPLE LIKE KEVIN SMITH HAVE TOWRD CATHOLICS TO MAKE A QUICKJ BUCK.
This is why the film will bomb iun my opion people will not pay 8 bucks to be inusted for two hours and tell thier firends who are religous that they should see it so they can be insulted for two hours...
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(1)First off, Lane - quit it!!!! (2)Quentin that goes for you as well. If you two want to fight, I suggest you take it outside. If you want to DISCUSS Dogma then fine. If you want to diss everyone and everything just because you can, then please log off and go take a cold shower. (3) Eight years of catholic school taught me that the original meaning of "virgin" meant young girl. Not woman who never had sex. Take from that what you will. (4) Would everyone else PLEASE stop capitalizing "hypocrite" every time you write it. Those of us who got the point to begin with have now had it beaten into us and those who didn't get it in the first place surely aren't going to magically understand the irony just because the letters are bigger.
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Lane, first of all, I'm sorry this got so personal so quickly...but please, try to write less next time...you've got good points, but they take too long to read, and barely anyone reads them all the way through. Now, on to other business...I'm an atheist...I'm an ex-Lutheran, who basically realized he didn't believe in God one night...that simple. I will go see this movie, and I'll go see it with my devout Baptist friend. We have both read the script, and we're both looking forward to seeing the movie. I'm not expecting to be offended...and neither is he (except by the shit monster...that's just dumb) because we can emotionally distance ourselves from the movie. Faith is personal, but this is a movie...if you get something out of it, that's great. If you don't, or it offends you, shrug it off, and go watch another movie. He's not claiming this is divine law, he's just making a movie for entertainment, and to try to deal with something...that's why I write as well...it's that way with Dogma, and it was that way with "Last Temptation of Christ"...you're not required to go see it, so don't, if you don't want to...but stop trying to make it so other people can't watch it...freedom of speech also means that people can be allowed to listen to you as well...speech is not free if it's to a blank wall. And, in conclusion, the quote from "The Rapture" isn't precisely original...Karl Marx wrote 150 years ago "Religion is the opium of the masses"...God is the drug we use to alleviate the pain of the world, instead of trying to solve the problems themselves...that's just one person's perspective of it...take it or leave it, but let (and others) hear it if they want. -Loki
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I haven't had a conversation like this since I graduated from my Lutheran High School...lots of people screaming at each other for intangible, unprovable beliefs...this beats most of the shit that Hollywood puts out, hands down. I love all of you! Except for you...yeah, you...you're just a fuckstick. -Loki
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I have to agree with Jim. It's a free fucking country bash whatever religion you want. I am a Christian. If you get right down to it the heart of Christianity is questioning of the rules and religions set up by the institutiions. The Catholic church is scared shitless that Dogma is gonna make people think for themselves. It pisses me off. I think the script (which I have read) is brilliant and I'm Christian so the Catholics can kiss my ass.
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YOu don't want to believe in a God? That's fine. You want to worship God? That's fine. But ultimately, who cares. The point of us being here is to live our lives. LIVE. You can believe anything you want just so long as you're not hurting another person or degrading them. Go out and do something though, live a lfe any man would be proud of. Don't be afraid to take that step into mystery. Go outside, worship the world and people, worship "God", just go out into the world and DO something, LIVE. Bickering over who's right and who's wrong NEVER accomplishes anything. If you just choose to do that, you're just wasting your lives. And that's the most pathetic thing anyone can do.
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I've been reading this site for
about a year, and I've finally been persuaded to talk back. Who would have thought? I probably won't see Dogma. Kevin Smith doesn't entertain me very much. But this whole religion debate has been fascinating. I won't say what I am because that's irrelevant and would bias half of you anyway.
Lane - If only your powers could be used for good! Loss of faith is either a sad thing, or a great thing, depending on who you're talking to. I can see yours wasn't lost easily. You raised a lot of good points in your little speech there. I obviously can't respond to them all because I have neither the time nor the inclination. However, I do have a problem with you deciding for everyone what they can and cannot think. Your prayers weren't answered - but why does that necessitate you assuming no one else's have been? You don't care about the suffering in the world, or any of those other things you mentioned - that's a shame, but your own crass disregard isn't shared by everyone, and you have no right or ability to claim otherwise. There are hypocrites out there who will say one thing and do another. Some of them are Christians. Some of them are not. Christians may be the most annoyingly hypocritical, when they are, because they can often come across as exceedingly stuck up and pompous. But just because they are the most annoying doesn't mean that they are the most common hypocrites, or the most heinous. Don't start tossing your stones until you've gotten yourself to perfection.
I wish I could say more but I don't have what you wrote in front of me, and my fingers can't handle that much typing. Don't be angry at people who are satisfied with their faith, just because you are obviously unsatisfied with your lack thereof.
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Lane's messages punish themselves. We don't need you to play judge and toss out garbage about Lane's personal life, real or fictional. We really, really don't care.
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The difference between Nazis and Christians is this: Nazis advocated mass killings, while christianity (and I'm talking about the root philosophy found in the New Testament) teaches nothing but love and respect. Now lets all make up and drop this once and for all...at this point nothing is going to change eachother's views. Good night.
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Amen. In a non-religous way. Well, sort of. Oh, fuck it....
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...geez. Your putting the dog to sleep. Fine, fine...No one is banning subject matter here, assmunch. You might consider that I argued for your sorry ass earlier today, because diversity challenges the sepiant confidence of people, often causing them to address their beliefs, and ultimately to either affirm or create a new point of view based upon their own free will. I got it...Now please, Lane, let it the fuck go.
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Man, what a day of talkback. Well, it's been hotter'na goat's butt in a pepper patch in here all day. Let's talk about movies tomorrow, okay?....Cool. Peace to all..
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First I think John Cusack should sue him for slander! =) Seriously there is only one reason for him to be banned. He is a bigot. I dont think he is trying to tell me what to believe or anything like that. I am Christian, yes, but even if I wasn't I would want him banned. Well not just banned, but beaten senseless. His hatred and manner are totally uncalled for in our day and time. He used to be a nice guy on here. He would put up his own reviews in talkback and pretty much give his opinion on a subject. Sometimes he would sound like Hallenbeck but for the most part he sounded like an ok guy. Then Harry puts up 2 of his reviews and the guy starts acting like he can get away with anything. He attacks PEOPLE rather than ideas. His talk about catholics is just uncalled for. I am not catholic, and I joke often that some past Popes will greet you in Hell, but what he did was a step beyond joking in a nice way. He came off as a Bigot. If Harry has any dignity he will ban this guy, and let everyone know he doesnt agree with this jerk's ravings. If Lane had attacked gays (Harry already said this would get you banned) he would be banned. Wait he did. If Lane had used the N word to describe an African American he would be banned. Why Lane should be banned is his continued posts on the subject, without admitting any guilt. He rather tries to defend his posts. Sorry but I am sure if you listened to John William King he could give you a good REASON for dragging James Byrd behind his vehicle. I seriously thought he would have shut up, but he didnt, and that only makes this worse. Harry, please, erase his posts, and ban him.
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Lane V's Quentin, deep-n-meaningful theological discussions, the works! I'd have to take the Woody Allen stance here: There's nothing wrong with spirituality, but organized religion is a joke, that's for sure.
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Heres a hint, get offa da Net for a while. You are both as bad as one another. By getting so personal about your own lives and one another you are turning yourselves into laughng stocks. This is a movie site, not an episode of Jerry Springer. Learn some restraint.
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The two of you don't seem much different at all to me. In fact, why don't you two stop arguing with each other and just accept the fact that you are soul-mates? Really.
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Lane, Quentin, please, stop. I'm quite certain you have personal e-mail, right? Please contain it to that. I am sick and tired of reading you two argue and bicker like an old married couple. There's no reason to air your grievances here, at a website devoted to talking about movies. And, Lane, believe what you want. I don't care. But when you question other's faith, well, that gives them all the right to question you. So, shut the fuck up and take it like a man. Dogma will rock. That's it.
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HEY Lane ..seriously man relax. my best freind sounded just like you before he put a 9mm baretta to his heart and pulled the trigger.
Horror is a part of human exsistence Ive learned to accept that. I watch the news I read the papers and I know damn well that it could happen to me and my family...shit it already has.God never promised it would be an easy ride, if anything he promised it would be the opposite. -
Geez, you two fellas sure are long-winded. This has to be the most blabber in Talk Back history.
Hey, Quentin, weren't you the one who said that Kevin films had FAR too much swearing in them and yet praise Tarantino? What are you, out of your friggin' mind?!
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OK, I'm going to the bottom of this talkback to say one thing. If you think you are going to win any intelligent debate (and religious debate should be the most intelligent of all) by abusing your opponent and trying to out-profanity him/her, then you have already lost. I'm not going to address the Christian vs. Anti-Christian thing. I'm still working on it myself. Just look at the postings by the different sides and I notice that for the most part the pro-christian postings seem to be the most intelligently put together and thoughtprovoking of the bunch. Many of the anti-christian postings say things lik "All those intolerant Christians should be shot." Not word for word but, close to it. Now I'm no choir boy, I curse like a truckdriver around people I know. But profanity before strangers is the easiest way to lose respect and make you look weak. Respect makes you look strong and helps prove your point. Just something to think about. P.S.: I think Lane Meyers should be banned, not for his postings but because they're so long. It takes forever to scroll past them.
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Please, for the love of god, STOP!!!! Can't we just talk about movies for once? L vs. Q: Take your pointless, lame-ass, novel-length posts somewhere else. PLEASE!!!!
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Please you two...GET A LIFE! Is this all you have to do all day is sit around and bitch at each other? If so, you need to get your priorities straight. I am 25 (around the same age as you two), married, have a baby girl, a full-time IT job, and a mortgage. Yet I still find some free time to collect Star-Wars toys, check various movie sites for the latest gossip, etc. And I will probably stand in a long line many, many long hours to see Episode I on opening day. So I guess I am geeky. But I would never let these things take over my life. Now I do not know either of you personally, so I may be totally wrong here, but if your daily routine revolves around bashing someone you have never meet over the internet...well my friends, that is just pathetic.
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If Christians are so great, how come they all live in Igloo's?
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Am I the only one on this site that thinks there's a liitle to much hype over Episode 1. I mean c'mon, remember Godzilla? yeah, that had a pretty good preview too but the film still sucked! Hey, star wars wasn't THAT great! It seems you can insult organised religion here, jews, muslims etc till your blue in the face but you say one word against the 'holy trilogy' (Star Wars)and you'll be crucfied!
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Ok, I see your point now. But aside from that, I just wanted to make the point clear as to why people pick on the nazis more than christians (ie- nazis have a horrible plan, christians have a peaceful philosophy). Anyways, I'm all about free speech and disecting beliefs and theories with a fine toothed comb - sorry if I came across like an idiot.
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Why all this hubub over something thats all just fake anyway. In 500 years people will be teaching god in mythology class. It will be as weird to them as the Greek gods we make fun of today. And on a side note. Lame, Quinten. Guys. Reeelaxxxx. Breathe in, breathe out. Go outside. Shoot a basketball. Do something. This is just a website. I think you both might want to examine why you spend so much time writing long ranting essays.
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I just figured I'd be the one to say this, but not all Christians are closeminded dolts that can't look at the world from a different perspective. I've read several scripts to Dogma, I think it's a bitingly funny satire that takes a good hard look at the Church and the things it's doing of late. Relaxing beliefs, making it more "user-friendly" while loosing sight of it's purpose: redemtion. Kevin Smith himself is a devout Catholic; he reported many times during the filming having gone to a local church with many members of his cast. Now, if Kevin is Christian and can make this film, and I can say that I want to see it and am not offended because it's A) a movie, and B) a hypothetical alegory, then I think it's safe to say there are a lot more out there. Keep in mind: Saying all Christians are closeminded is like saying all German's are Nazis. I just say, relax, and buck up. We're getting the movie, that's all I'm really worried about. Cause Jerry Falwell doesn't speak for all Christians, and he certainly doesn't speak for me.
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Well, I thought I'd add a little fuel to the fire. Jesus faked his death. Yup. That wasn't him on the cross; wasn't him in the tomb; wasn't him who rose from the grave. check this: jesus was a smart man . . . a very smart man. as a carpenter and philospher he made quite a name for himself, I'm sure, however, he was also a bit whack. mentally ill so to speak. he convinced himself and many others, through his daily diatribes, that he was in fact the son of god. people at this time were looking for someone to lead them . . . anyone. plato or aristotle could have very well done the same thing that christ did, they were a few years too late. the people of the time of christ were begging for someone to come along and "enlighten" them. But first he (jesus) needs to convince the world that he's really the son of god . . . what better way then to rise from the dead. so jesus gets together with some of his peeps, plans the crucifixtion, and the subsequent rise from the grave. he gets some buddies to help him move the rock and oops . . . there he is alive and well. risen. the rest of the suckers believe his whole story.
I'm making this up as I go along. Just wanted to have some fun. Kevin Smith's okay. Tarantino's okay. Lucas is a sex-less control freak. Blair Witch Project rules.
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You know for weeks now I have just ignored Lane's posts, and skipped the ones that were too damn long. All of his posts are usually the same. Idiotic attempts to be humorous. However, this time he has really showed his stupidity and ignorance. He has really proven what a loser he is that he has all this time to carry on and on and on. Just look how many posts are here by this idiot, that are as long as novels and say the same damn thing. Also, I am not Right-wing, but Lane really crossed the line when attacking people's faith. You know, you don't have to believe, but keep your damn ideas to yourself jackass. With all that said, I realize that he writes these things because he craves the attention. He is such a low-life in real life, that he needs to be a big-shot on the net. So he spend his entire day here at AICN and writes things that will create a reaction, and people mark. That is why I chose a while ago to ignore him, but I needed to say something after reading his rantings for this talk back. I hope he burns in hell and gets all the attention he craves, even though if it is tormenting and painful. Now I can go back to ignoring the dumb-ass.
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Hmmm...y'know, I had a really humorous comment to make after reading the first coupla posts, but then it hit me. Yesterday Harry deleted a couple of my posts for, as far as I could tell, putting some smak on an over-zealous Kubrick fan. Then all this shit today, which I'm not taking sides on... well, Harry, here's an official FUCK YOU. That's right, kids, collect 'em all...
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I think Lame and Squirt are just fake identities for some poor soul who's typing long essays to post here...then replies to them himself. Really pathetic, but kinda fun to watch.
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In my original TalkBack, I was just trying to add to discussion by stating why this movie is offensive. Even if I was working off slightly inaccurate information, my point was that there is a real basis for faithful Catholics to find this film offensive. I do not think this or any film should be banned. I do not think anybody, even Lane, should be banned from posting. Actually, I'm a little disappointed to find out that some topics are banned from AICN. But it's Harry's site and there are plenty of other forums on the net which are dedicated to those topics. Anyway, I never intended to boycot this film. I probably see it at the local artsy film house or on video. Probably on video since anti-religious films tend to not do much business and don't last long in the theaters. Finally, about Lane. He is obviously intelligent and passionate. He has moved beyond the construct of organized religion and looked the cold realities of the world in the face. If he ever opens his heart to God, his faith will shine brighter than the night. He is on the path of the greatest of saints. I wonder if how far he'll be able to get.
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The Catholic Church gets unfairly attacked a lot simply because it is an easy target. It is a big organization with readily identifiable leaders, whereas most of the other Christian religions are fairly scattershot (from an orginaizaational standdpoint). A good many times people fail to make any distinction between Catholic and Christian. I am Catholic, have good friends who are Catholic (one is even a priest) and have heard nothing in the way of outrage from them about this film. Catholics don't get out and protest as much as people seem to think.
Also, as a product of 16 years of Catholic schools (grade school, high school AND college) I can tell you I was taught that there was no reason to believe Mary and Joesph didn't go at it like rabbits after Jesus was born. Hell, one jesuit pointed out once, wouldn't it be wierd if they didn't have sex? She was, in theory, without sin. Sex isn't always considered sinful.
Furthermore, the "bible" as we know it, is a pretty incomplete thing. There are actually a lot of books, just as valid, which didn't make the final cut. Some of these had Jesus being married (again, it would be weird if he wasn't married) and a couple even had them being gay. Check out the Gnostic bible and see for yourself -
TVguy: "He's on the path of the greatest of saints"? Wow. I guess we can expect another long essay from Lame/Squirt. Hold on, I'm gonna make some popcorn. Anybody want some?
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Let me first make clear that I'm not defending Nazis or Mr. Ryalto.
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I resent the hell out of them. I'm a non-denominational, spirit-filled Christian (read: Jesus freak, holy roller, whichever). I'm also a *gasp* fairly liberal Democrat. First of all, regarding my faith (and notice I said "faith," not "religion." There's a BIG difference): I believe that Jesus Christ is the living and only Son of God, and I've given my life over to him. This is the only thing that matters. Catholic, Protestant, Babtist, Methodist, Pentacostal, non-denominational . . . the things that separate all of the different sects are inconsequential matters of religion, and when it comes down to it on Judgement Day (and by the way, I'm simply explaining my beliefs, not trying to convert anybody, and more power to ya if you disagree with me, but this is what I believe with every fiber of my being), it's not going to matter to God if you were babtized by being sprinkled or dunked, if you drank real wine or grape juice at communion, if you worshipped in a cathedral or out in the woods behind your house, if you pray with rosary beads and say your Hail Mary's or if you silently repented . . . the only thing that's going to matter to Him is whether you accepted or rejected His only Son who sacrificed His life for us -- all of us, gay, straight, black, white, Jewish, Bhuddist, pro-life, pro-choice -- every human being who ever lived. Unfortunately, the Christian Coalition is made up mostly of white Southern Babtist males who somewhere along the way forgot that Jesus' greatest commandment was to love one another like He loves us. Tolerance has nothing to do with it. Would you rather be tolerated, or loved? Christians are supposed to love, period. Unfortunately, Christians are human beings, and most human beings pretty much have their heads up their asses most of the time regardless of how much we do or don't try to be good people. We are selfish, yes. And Lane, yes, I pray for God to bless me all the time. No where in the Bible does it tell us it's wrong to pray for our own benefit. But I digress. Dennis, I think the Christian Coalition, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, et al are an embarrassment to Christianity. That they seem to hold so much power has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the way I vote. Lane, I don't know you, and I don't know what you've gone through to leave you so bitter. It saddens me that you, and others, allow corrupt messengers to blind you to Jesus' message. I hope that somewhere down the line you're able to work through your issues and can be happy with your life, regardless of how you choose to believe.
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sorry to keep the whole thing going but I feel that all the personal stuff said above, particularly concerning everybody's fave poster, was somewhat out of order. I don't want to know about anyone's personal life unless I ask them personally. If someone did that to me I think I'd be justified in going nuts.
I know Lane has upset damn near everyone with stuff he's said but is fighting fire with fire going to accomplish anything?
Calm down take a deep breath, open a window. Hey, it's a nice day. Solidarity.
Religion is ALWAYS a controversial subject.
P.S. Don't try to ban Lane, that goes against the whole idea of what this board (and everyone's opinion)is supposed to stand for.
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First off, let me state that I was raised Catholic and am now more or less agnostic (aka wishy-washy). I just don't understand how people can be so sure of God's existence or non-existence, since the whole concept is within the realm of the unknown. Secondly, I think it's a little disingenuous to say that religion--be it Catholicism, Hinduism, or what not--is, pardon the phrase, a sacred cow, and cannot be satirized because it's the same as attacking gays, ethnic minorities, and so on. Why, you ask? I figure that it's pretty simple. Faith is ultimately a choice... an opinion. Nobody is born Catholic... through a series of religious customs and teachings by your elders, you incorporate the faith into your personal belief system. As such, I don't see what all the griping is about. If your faith is strong, you shouldn't be bothered. I get shit all the time for some of my opinions about movies, clothes, food, etc. Why should it be any different with religion?
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quentin? youre such a tool. One second you say you have nothing against homosexuality and the next sentense (with no connection between--your high school english teacher shouldve taught you better) you say that me and Lane are gay lovers. Thats just about the oldest insult ive ever heard one guy throw at another. Get some originality. Also, where the hell did that come from? A) no two people at this site are more famed for flaming (yikes, wrong word choice) each other than me and Lane so how can you say we kiss each others asses? B) Why did you feel the need to throw that pathetic attempt at humor into a good arguement? I agreed with everything you said until then and Im not offended by you attacking me (ill never let a computer screen offend me), but i just thought that it totally destroyed your integrity as an intelligent person. Therefore, i no longer give a shit for your arguement. I mean, it was just soooo hypocritical and out of context. Lane? Becuz of our long-standing bickering, I always look for ways to antagonize you, but as usual, i couldnt today, because your post is, as usual, too fucking long for me to read through. I guess the MTV school of filmmaking that you love so much (Bay, West, Scott) has lowered my attention span to the point of mot even being able to listen to what you have to say in your 40,000 word posts. Hows that for irony?
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Does anyone else think we should lock these two in a room with a pair of aluminum baseball bats for about 4 hours? I know it's been said before, and I actually take Quentin's side in this (Lane's way outta line), but if you're best friends, then you should know each other's phone numbers. If not, ask Jenny. Either way, air out your personal issues between yourselves.
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Does anyone else think we should lock these two in a room with a pair of aluminum baseball bats for about 4 hours? I know it's been said before, and I actually take Quentin's side in this (Lane's way outta line), but if you're best friends, then you should know each other's phone numbers. If not, ask Jenny. Either way, air out your personal issues between yourselves.
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First off, Lane: I've defended you in the past because you are funny as hell, but no more, you claim "The minute something becomes untouchable I truly believe that FREE-THOUGHT dies" this is a myth, free speech dies, not free thought, big difference. Read "Amusing Ourselves to Death" if you want the difference.
Secondly, 20th Cent. Fox and Sprocketbot- It's obvious that you are preaching to the unconverted, give it up. I'm a practicing Taoist, so you won't get me, and I doubt you'll get anyone else. We'll leave you to your beliefs, you leave us to ours.(BTW, trying to frighten us with your idea of hell or damnation will not work, we don't believe, get it!) It has also become apparent that you are narrow minded with your beliefs against the 60's and homosexuals. Plus, whoever commented on comparing liberals to Hitler, I can return the favour, Hitler was anti-abortion and so are fundamentalists. Don't even try that attack cause it doesn't work.
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A couple of comments to put things in perspective:
1- Smith is a good filmmaker with decent and very entertaining films. Why does everything on this site have to be such a passionate argument with black or white results - his movies are good and fun - they aren't the be all and end all of film and they are a hell of a lot better than most of the crap out there.
2 - Disney is a bunch of pantywaists - always have been always will be.
3 - To that Christian dudde going on about Hate and the evils of Hate. This movie could bring about another Kosovo?? What in the hell are you talking about son? It's a movie, that's all. I tend to doubt that it will even be as "controversial" as The Last Temptation of Christ - which I don't really think is that controversial anyway.
4 - The Christian Right is twisted - how can a rational person be so against Abortion, yet put out contracts for death on Abortion doctors and support the death penalty = The first is the disposal of undeveloped tissue and the second is murder. Get a fucking clue.
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Anyone who objects to the release of this very fine film is narrow-minded, plain and simple.
I mean, just because you don't agree with someones views or opinions, does that mean that you get to lock it way, make sure that it never sees the light of day???
NO.
If you don't approve of the movies theme, you just don't watch it and let others make of it what they will....that's all there is to it.
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...did someone say popcorn? Pass the butter, please!
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Quentin, you make me laugh. Smith is in the minor leagues? Smith isn't Tarantino? Tarantino isn't Tarantino. Kevin has directed four movies, produced and written 7 different movies, and has acted in 8 movies. Not only that, Clerks is going to be a cartoon for ABC of all channels. He has a successful merchandising line, and he owns a store, soon to be two. Please Quentin, please tell me what Tarantino has done to make him in the major leagues. Because if Smith is minor, then Quentin is also. WHat has Quentin done lately? His last good movie might be Pulp Fiction. He's believing his own hype. Tarantino is not as good as you want to believe. And you shouldn't be someone to talk about using four letter words, Quentin.
I have to agree with Lane on this one. Most religious people seem only to protest, expecting you to conform to their way of thinking, without listening to any open ideas. It' people like these that condemn a movie without even seeing it. Close minded, blind and dumb. It's funny, all these posts about the religious aspect of this movie. I wonder how many of you here on Talk Back would be shaking your fists in the air if this movie focused on Jews, Muslims, or some other religion? Probably not many. If this movie were about gays, some of you would spout religious rhetoric and condemn the gay community. It's about time religion was made fun of again. Remember the old Motny Python stuff? Funny as hell. As for banning Lane? The people who want this probably believe that Tinky Winky is the anti-christ. Grow up people, if you don't want to hear from Lane, then don't provoke him.
Rock on Lane!
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No offense, but a lot of what you post is unnecessary. You have some personnal thing against Lane, and you think it's real cool to vent it here. YOu're just as pathetic as you claim Lane to be. Yes, Lane can be an ass, but at least he keeps things relevant more than you do. You seem like some little kid who's parents don't give him all the love he needs. I still think you've got some crush on Lane, and he's done you wrong in some way. Don't cry little Quentin, it'll be ok......
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You're basically saying, that while Kevin Smith uses fresh talent, and comes up with interesting ideas, and plays on events, he's not good? You're right Quentin, Smith is no Tarantino because unlike Tarantino, Smith is orignal!! I'm sure you'd like Smith is all he did was rehas the same ideas, and dip into the well of the 70's for inspiration. You said it yourself Quentin.."He brought out all the old cliches, ideas and concepts created so long ago and transformed them...." So, in realtiy, Tarantino is bascially a tracer. If it wasn't for Tarantino's ability to rip off the same old material, and make it semi-fresh, he'd still be slinging videos.
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Nobody told me that Salma was in this movie! Forget everything I've said, I want to see Salma! **Just kidding, sort of**
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My name is such because, well, at the time I couldn't think of a damn thing. I though one of Lane's posts was a little off kilter, so I named myself as I did. It's not to pay homage, as you might infer.
If anything it should tell you what I think about some of his posts. But Quentin, are you saying you won't talk back just because of my name? Why do I have the feeling there is a lot you can't look past, other than just my name? You have issues Quentin. -
Are you sure about that? Last I remember that was an unanswered question, and several religious groups firmly believe he *was* married (seems like there was at least one candidate they kept bandying around). So, to say he begat children is not nearly the "gravely offensive" idea you say it is! And, does this make Christ any less your Savior? I should hope not!
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quentin? i wont get your humor, because i dont feel like reading your UBERlong (ha ha! had to use that oh-so hot journalism word) post for the same reason i no longer read Lane's posts: theyre too fucking long. That reminds me... y'all seem to think that we're all a bunch of bosom buddies sitting around a tabel drinking tea. We're not. If we were, we might actually care to listen to someone go off for a half hour. But you see, Lane and quentin, y'all are nothing more than a computer screen; youre not human. If you were human, i might care to listen to you. But since youre a computer screen, and this is the net, i want my info quick and to the point. Sorry to hurt your feelings, but long rants on irrelevent topix just dont interest me. Its a beautiful fucking day out today! I dont want to read you two's dick-measuring contest! I want to go sun-bathing! So, quentin, i will not search through your umpteen 40,000 word posts looking for the meaning to your "Lane and L'auteur are fags" joke. Just explain it to me (in a reasonable lenghth please!). Lane? Did you wish me Happy Birthday? I must have missed that TalkBack; which was it? and thanks (quentin! im kissing his ass again!) because all of my asshole friends (the humans, not computer screens) forgot, the pricks. quentin? youre an ass for not wishing me Happy Birthday. Its not everyday that you say goodbye to your teen years forever...sniff sniff. :( PS--This might be off the topic but I like movies. Anyone want to talk about them?
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[[However, if this woman is a descendent of Mary & Joseph, that still is a slap in the face to Catholics]]
Ummm, sorry to be the one to break the news to you *AGAIN*, but a significant body of Christians believe Christ had brothers, and if I remember correctly there is a direct quote calling someone the "brother of Christ" (which the Catholic Church may very well dismiss as meaning "brother" figuratively, but the original Greek term is not used that was elsewhere in the New Testament, only to mean literal brother as in came from the same womb). But then again, although the Catholic faith itself preaches no such thing, many Catholics believe Mary was a virgin until the day she died, which is never even hinted at in scriptures, and which even the Catholic Church has made pronouncements against. Point is, what *you* believe is not what the rest of Christianity believes. And I didn't see Athiests lining up at the release of The Ten Commandments proclaiming that to suggest there is a God is an utter affront to their lack of faith, did you? Ahhh, the good old days when Christianity actually *meant* "live and let live". -
It was in the HARVEY talkback...thanks Lane. quentin? i think the reason why im now kissing Lane's ass so much is because im jealous of him. I thought I was the most hated person at AICN!!!! When did he get the title?!?!?! So the only way to combat this, strangely enough, is to love him with all my heart. That way the prick wont be as hated. So Lane, Happy Birthday to you too man, whenever it is. quentin? eat me....just kidding! "Love is groovy. Be positive"--some random accepter of some random award at Oscars
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Dennis: I never gave the Christian Coallition any money or vote
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And neither has my Church. They don't represent me, and I don't think I represent them. They just think they represent Christianity.
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...is proof that a Christian and a pagan (by Christian terms) can agree on something! TVGuy, you can't be that bad!
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The point of this Talk Back concerend Disney and Dogma. Period. Disney didn't want the film, Harvey Weinstien does. Period. Keven Smith wrote an irreverent movie about Catholicism. Period. That is what these Talk Backs should be about, not Lane Myers, Quentin and whose interpretation of the Bible is correct.
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I am looking forward to Dogma. I read the script months ago, and like the cast. As for the brouhaha - no one should be banned (except for A of D - good job Harry) for spouting opinions. Anyone rising to the bait regarding said opinions, should be welcome to vent their own. Anyone who is sick of it all - IS NOT REQUIRED TO READ TALKBACK. Those of you finding yourselves becoming irritated with it all - DON'T READ IT. These are simple concepts. Simple opinion spouting (no matter how vitriolic) should not incite the anger I'm seeing here. Someone threatening to come burn your house down - yes. I can only assume everyone is having a good time - no matter what they say. (And reading Lane always makes me smile.) That's my opinion.
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[I personally think anyone who believes in something he cannot see and has no actual proof of it's existence is a fool.]
This is a quote from a novel I'm writing. Sorry to be the pompous fool quoting himself, but the first paragraph is basically what I believed five years ago, and the answer is basically what I believe now. Just so happens that you are where I was five years ago. [Dialog between Bob Marconne and Sheryl Tredmont, /In the Shadow of Ants/, Copyright 1999 by Tom Dibble]
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I bit my lip. "To obey without reason? I can't believe that. What creator would make a world, make a race of men, hide himself from them, and tell one or two men to spread the word that they must obey this creator for whom there is no evidence, and who refuses to show himself to them -
[I personally think anyone who believes in something he cannot see and has no actual proof of it's existence is a fool.]
This is a quote from a novel I'm writing. Sorry to be the pompous fool quoting himself, but the first paragraph is basically what I believed five years ago, and the answer is basically what I believe now. Just so happens that you are where I was five years ago. [Dialog between Bob Marconne and Sheryl Tredmont, /In the Shadow of Ants/, Copyright 1999 by Tom Dibble]
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I bit my lip. "To obey without reason? I can't believe that. What creator would make a world, make a race of men, hide himself from them, and tell one or two men to spread the word that they must obey this creator for whom there is no evidence, and who refuses to show himself to them -
[You tell me of anything that cannot, will not, will never be explained by science, something that you can point to and say, THAT IS GOD and I will be happy to apologize for everything you think I've offended. Until then, I think I'll keep making with the jokes and you'll keep getting pissed.]
First, finding something beyond the realm of science says nothing about it being of God, it just says science doesn't explain it. As for science *never* explaining it, well, you're guess is as good as mine on that one. Science and religion are nothing but two journeys in search of the same Truth. Yes, I capitalized that for a reason. God works through nature. Lane, your problem is (and I know that is probably the worst way to start a sentence, but what the heck, eh?) that you think someone can *show* you god or faith. You also believe, since those who have faith can not transfer that faith to you that it is a blind faith. It is not. Anyone who believes in God or Christ simply because someone else told him so is a fool, and has not truly converted himself to Christianity. That is just not the way it works. As I said, my testimony means absolutely nothing to you, but it means everything to me. And that's the only way it can be.
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Hello. It's me, Quentin. I was just banned from Talk Back and had to get a new name. Obviously, I will be banned again once Harry realizes that I have risen from the grave. I have only one question: Why was I banned? Because I posted novel-length messages? Because I let a personal quarrel consume the Talk Back feature? This is so fucking ridiculous. Harry, you've made a big mistake. I told you that Lane should be banned, but you didn't listen. What have I done that Lane hasn't? Where did I go that Lane didn't? I come back here and I find that you have deleted every sinfle one of my messages. I half-expected to see the same done to Lane, but I was shocked to find his bullshit still on the Talk Back! Harry, this is ridiculous!!!! Did Lane send you an e-mail or something?! Just because you two are friends, you're going to let him get away with all of his bullshit??? I bet he e-mailed you saying "Hey, Harry. There's this guy that's bugging me. He's screwing up the Talk Back. Can you ban him?" "Sure thing, pal." And you can't even send me a single word. You can't even try to reason with me??? Oh, I forgot. You're a pro now! You don't have the time, right? Yet you have the time to come of here and delete my messages and ban me from Talk back?????????? I swear to god, I'd bet my right hand that you didn't even read a single letter I typed! Did you consider what Lane Myers has said? Did you consider that, although I might be an asshole, that maybe, JUST MAYBE Lane has done something wrong here?????????????????? HE FUCKING TURNED THIS TALK BACK INTO A RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION! HE WROTE LONG DISPLAYS ABOUT HIS INTOLERENACE TOWARDS THE RELIGION OF OTHERS!!!!! I know for a fact that if I wrote that bullshit, I'd be banned in a second! Not only have you shown your ignorance, but you've shown your complete and utter disregard for the ridiculous bullshit spewed out of Lane's mouth! Why was I banned???? why? It doesn't make sense!!!!!!! I stopped bashing Lane! I even apologized!!!! My last message was about DOGMA! I told everyone that I was going to forget about Lane and get back on track! You even deleted MY DOGMA POST!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why did you delete that one??? What reason could you have for deleting that message? You could have at least left that one alone! I didn't even swear in that last post about Dogma! That was my fucking opinion on the fucking article, you ASSHOLE!!!!!!! WHY THE FUCK DID YOU DELETE IT???? That post abour Dogma which I wrote was deleted. yet, Lane's anti-religious rant IS STILL UP THERE!!!!!!! It's not okay for me to blast Lane for blasting religion, but Lane's post about Jesus's folowers' pussies and anal sex between him and Judas! That's okay??????? I am NOT RELIGIOUS! I AM NOT EVEN A CHRISTIAN!!!!!!!!! I'M A FUCKING ATHEIST, YET I KNOW THAT YOU DON'T MESS WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S RELIGION! And my post blasting Lane, my post that was free of derogatory remarks, my post that said that Lane should be banned, was deleted!!!!!!! why?????? why??????? FUCK YOU, HARRY! Ban for that, you prick. And you're gonna be on Ebert's show in a few weeks??? This is fucking bullshit! You're acting like your some teenage punk! It's not professional, harry. It just ain't proffesional.
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Hello. It's me, Quentin. I was just banned from Talk Back and had to get a new name. Obviously, I will be banned again once Harry realizes that I have risen from the grave. I have only one question: Why was I banned? Because I posted novel-length messages? Because I let a personal quarrel consume the Talk Back feature? This is so fucking ridiculous. Harry, you've made a big mistake. I told you that Lane should be banned, but you didn't listen. What have I done that Lane hasn't? Where did I go that Lane didn't? I come back here and I find that you have deleted every sinfle one of my messages. I half-expected to see the same done to Lane, but I was shocked to find his bullshit still on the Talk Back! Harry, this is ridiculous!!!! Did Lane send you an e-mail or something?! Just because you two are friends, you're going to let him get away with all of his bullshit??? I bet he e-mailed you saying "Hey, Harry. There's this guy that's bugging me. He's screwing up the Talk Back. Can you ban him?" "Sure thing, pal." And you can't even send me a single word. You can't even try to reason with me??? Oh, I forgot. You're a pro now! You don't have the time, right? Yet you have the time to come of here and delete my messages and ban me from Talk back?????????? I swear to god, I'd bet my right hand that you didn't even read a single letter I typed! Did you consider what Lane Myers has said? Did you consider that, although I might be an asshole, that maybe, JUST MAYBE Lane has done something wrong here?????????????????? HE FUCKING TURNED THIS TALK BACK INTO A RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION! HE WROTE LONG DISPLAYS ABOUT HIS INTOLERENACE TOWARDS THE RELIGION OF OTHERS!!!!! I know for a fact that if I wrote that bullshit, I'd be banned in a second! Not only have you shown your ignorance, but you've shown your complete and utter disregard for the ridiculous bullshit spewed out of Lane's mouth! Why was I banned???? why? It doesn't make sense!!!!!!! I stopped bashing Lane! I even apologized!!!! My last message was about DOGMA! I told everyone that I was going to forget about Lane and get back on track! You even deleted MY DOGMA POST!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why did you delete that one??? What reason could you have for deleting that message? You could have at least left that one alone! I didn't even swear in that last post about Dogma! That was my fucking opinion on the fucking article, you ASSHOLE!!!!!!! WHY THE FUCK DID YOU DELETE IT???? That post abour Dogma which I wrote was deleted. yet, Lane's anti-religious rant IS STILL UP THERE!!!!!!! It's not okay for me to blast Lane for blasting religion, but Lane's post about Jesus's folowers' pussies and anal sex between him and Judas! That's okay??????? I am NOT RELIGIOUS! I AM NOT EVEN A CHRISTIAN!!!!!!!!! I'M A FUCKING ATHEIST, YET I KNOW THAT YOU DON'T MESS WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S RELIGION! And my post blasting Lane, my post that was free of derogatory remarks, my post that said that Lane should be banned, was deleted!!!!!!! why?????? why??????? FUCK YOU, HARRY! Ban for that, you prick. And you're gonna be on Ebert's show in a few weeks??? This is fucking bullshit! You're acting like your some teenage punk! It's not professional, harry. It just ain't proffesional.
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Yo, yo, yo
Lane M. is the most hilarious, articulate and relevent poster there is. I am going to start a web site called LANE-IS-COOL-NEWS. COM.
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Yo, yo, yo
Lane M. is the most hilarious, articulate and relevent poster there is. I am going to start a web site called LANE-IS-COOL-NEWS. COM.
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wow, only a couple of people seem to understand lane me thinks. the rest of you are missing the point entirely. as a believer some of you tell us your faith in whatever, but if an atheist tells you they don't believe and why, well that's just not on now, is it.how dare he!!! its okay to put propaganda all over the tv and have people on street corners praising a god, but when an atheist tells of their beliefs, there is such protest. not being american i really just can't understand this problem many of you seem to have with religion. why is it soooo important. i want to live in america. i have many american friends, but you are all just scaring the hell (oops!) out of me. and why do you keep showing lane up to be right. you say he is a very, very naughty boy, but you then go on to say that maybe, without having seen the movie, dogma probably is offensive and should be banned. huh???????????? did i miss something here. has this wicked irony passed over everyone bar me? and if martin q blank is still reading: are you going to the senstadium in mt gravatt (sp?). i want to see ep1 there but i'm stuck in the home of puss cinemas: japan. probably get to see it in 2009. dogma will probably never come to japan. and to totally change the topic, can anyone tell me anything about the new sony pcv-e518ds multi media computer. the video editing ability on it is supposed to be great and on par with a mac. i want to get one but need advice. please help!!!
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This stems WAY back from the beginning of the Talk Back. (I'm going to start out exclusively with Dogma, and then fade into the religion thing)
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In judging the "quality" of Kevin Smith's films, you have to categorize them as CULT films. It's a thing to be proud of if you have Kevin Smith festivals, and everyone who attends those marathons enjoys the movies... But to say that it's actually BETTER than movies like Star Wars or what-not, is a bold statement. In fact, I think it ruins the whole air of Kevin Smith. People who watch his movies like they watch a *normal movie lose the whole point. The acting is BAD, the plot is sans action... But when you watch them for what they are, they become diamonds. **********************************
As a Christian, I enjoy watching parodies of my religion. Sunday's episode of the Simpsons-- the whole Garden of Eden thing was hilarious. I'm anxious to see Dogma because I love Kevin Smith's comments on... well, everything. He has a gift at being able to take a subject that is outwardly simple and that people just accept, and analyze that subject with a critical depth that no one had ever applied to it before. ie the Death Star bit from Clerks, or the Fantastic Four discussion from Mallrats. He has realized that he doesn't have to stick to the insignifigance of pop-culture, and has tackled the Catholic Church. Catholocism is rooted in the Bible, but it's trunk is tradition. Oftentimes, we just accept tradition at its surface but don't think about it any deeper.
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This is especially true of religion. Does it mean that we shouldn't accept religion? No. Religists (word?)(as a culture, not as a belief) and Atheists fall into the same trap of not thinking. Evident in even this page. We call each other stupid and inconsiderate, and find our fuel from one-sided web-pages and pamphlets, instead of sitting down and discussing and contemplating. If anybody on here *wants to discuss relgion in a critical way, then we should get an e-mail exchange going up. But Talk Back is where I argue about movies, NOT religion. Granted, religion is an essential part of film, (The Godfather deepens when set with Hebrew traditions of family and God), but for Talk Back posters to attack each other for their beliefs in religion is uncalled for. It has nothing to do with movies, except that the discussion was spurned by film. In that case, it should take ground outside of Talk Back. *********************************
In conclusion, I say yea for Dogma. And if Disney can't take the heat from the Catholic church, you have to forgive them. It's dumb to commit suicide on the account of one movie. The hard-right Catholics would BURN Disney World to the ground if Dogma wa released. For them, it's just not worth it. -
I've read the script for Dogma and I can't wait to see it. I was raised a Catholic, then became an atheist, and then found the big G again, independent of any organized religion. Dogma will only offend the knuckleheads who thrive on dogma. What the hell difference does it make whether Joseph & Mary got it on to produce Jesus? (which I believe they did) Does that change his message? No.Does the fact that he had siblings? No. Kevin Smith is making fun of DOGMA,folks, and all organized religion has it.He is NOT making fun of Christ's message and if the Catholic League and William Donohoe, who hasn't even SEEN the damned flick, are getting their collective knickers in a twist about it, it's cuz they WANT to. They love their DOGMA and don't want anyone attacking it and testing what little faith they have. Faith that can't stand a little testing is NO FAITH at all. If God ain't offended,why the hell should any of us be? Now, go and sin no more, you bunch of wankers.
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I'm glad to know there are some out there who have some courage. How can we the masses, express our desire to see this movie? And to whom? Got their e-mail address?
I surely would prefer seeing it on the big screen, rather than watching it go straight to video (or Cinemax) like 'Judas Kiss' is doing.
So much for Michael Elisner's courage under fire. The hate-filled religious right got to him.
Kimberly -
I'm glad to know there are some out there who have some courage. How can we the masses, express our desire to see this movie? And to whom? Got their e-mail address?
I surely would prefer seeing it on the big screen, rather than watching it go straight to video (or Cinemax) like 'Judas Kiss' is doing.
So much for Michael Elisner's courage under fire. The hate-filled religious right got to him.
Kimberly -
I'm glad to know there are some out there who have some courage. How can we the masses, express our desire to see this movie? And to whom? Got their e-mail address?
I surely would prefer seeing it on the big screen, rather than watching it go straight to video (or Cinemax) like 'Judas Kiss' is doing.
So much for Michael Elisner's courage under fire. The hate-filled religious right got to him.
Kimberly -
OK, this has been a lot of fun. I love it when a group of intelligent people get together to discuss a controversial topic in a reasonable manner. I've gotten flamed a few times in this TalkBack but so what. There have been a lot of interesting ideas brought up here. I've decided this will be my last post to this TalkBack since I believe this post is the last thing I have to constructively contribute to this discussion. My comments about Catholic Doctrine (Jesus never married, Mary Ever Virgin, abortion is murder, etc) have been accurate in regards to the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church. A few decades ago the Catholic Church held a synod called Vatican II. This synod laid out new rules for the Mass and Catholic education. It did not change any of the Catholic Doctrine. Unfortunately, because of these new rules, very few Catholics born since Vatican II know much about the Doctrine or theology (or even Latin). Also, the Jesuit order of Catholic priests have changed during this time too. They used to be the defenders of the faith. Now, they often hold and teach beliefs in direct violation of Catholic Doctrine. I went to a Jesuit college and had many arguments with my Jesuit teachers about Doctrine. When pressed, they would admit that what they were teaching wasn't doctrinal. However, they thought their own opinion about certain matters of faith was more rational, so too bad. What I've stated in these TalkBacks only applies to Catholics. There are many differences between Catholics and the various Protestant religions out there. I cannot speak for those religions. I do not know them. Finally, some Catholics on this TalkBack have expressed opinions that do not agree which Church teaching. Fine, believe what you want. However, please don't try to convince people that your personal opinions reflect those of the Church. If anyone thinks I'm mistaken regarding any point of Doctrine, please refer to Pope John Paul's new catechism published a few years ago.
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Apr 08, 1999 1:15:23 PM CDT
I wish you guys would read what I wrote earlier and STOP ARGUING
by el camino
The agruing is getting nobody anywhere. Scroll up the page, read what I said earlier, shake hands, apologize, and move on with your lives. Please, for not only your own sakes, but for everybody elses.
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I can't believe the talk back has gone a whole two days and stayed on topic. Of course, the topic has almost nothing to do with the original post, but hey, who's complaing. Oh that's right, everyone is! Ban LaneMyers, quit whining quentin, Jesus did this, Jesus did that, Christians are this, Christians are that, Harry do this, Harry do that. The topic was Disney's handing off of Dogma. Where the rest of this crap came from I do not know. And could everyone stop crying to Harry for help. It's obvious he isn't around since the site wasn't updated from yesterday to today. And I am sure he would have weighed in with his own opinion by now if he were here.
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I can't believe the talk back has gone a whole two days and stayed on topic. Of course, the topic has almost nothing to do with the original post, but hey, who's complaing. Oh that's right, everyone is! Ban LaneMyers, quit whining quentin, Jesus did this, Jesus did that, Christians are this, Christians are that, Harry do this, Harry do that. The topic was Disney's handing off of Dogma. Where the rest of this crap came from I do not know. And could everyone stop crying to Harry for help. It's obvious he isn't around since the site wasn't updated from yesterday to today. And I am sure he would have weighed in with his own opinion by now if he were here.
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Debate is important. It belongs in politics, science, child rearing, sex, musical taste, film, etc, etc. I really don't think it belongs in religious thought. Why? Because it is something that cannot be proven (at least the belief or disbelief in some sort of after-life/deity). So why babble on about it? If we can prove it, let us debate it because somewhere down the line we will come to the truth. The believer or atheist can give all the reasons for his/her thought, but the result will always be he/she cannot ultimately prove it.
No one here knows exactly what will happen the moment they die. One of two ideas will be true, this we cannot deny: 1.) If the atheist thought is true, we will die and that will be it. No further thought, nothing. 2.) If the belief in some sort of after-life is true, well we will all know the moment we die as we will have some form of consciousness. The bottom line is, we will never know if either of these thoughts are true in this life.
So to sit here and argue about religion becomes pointless. Nothing will ever be solved by such an argument. Those who believe in some sort of religious persuasion will still believe that persuasion. Those who do not believe in God, will still hold that belief. Flannery O -
Do you people really think my feelings are hurt by what you say about me or my son? You nailed him to a cross and I didn't smite your sorry asses.You treat each other like shit and I don't smite your sorry asses. Some of you claim to be speaking for me and that I'm pissed about what you do. Puh-leeze! I'm GOD, for cryin' out loud! Do you think I give a rat's ass about a MOVIE?! Kevin Smith's my boy, just like the rest of y'all. Do your thing and quit pickin' on each other. Big hint: y'all would be better off if you tended to the business of improving your own souls and stopped peakin' around lookin' to see if anyone else is offending me. Hey, if I was offended, believe me, you guys would KNOW about it! I have spoken. Now go, and sin no more! G
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You know, you nailed my son to a cross and I didn't smite you. You treat each other terribly and I still don't smite you.I'm the very soul of tolerance so what makes any of y'all think I'd be upset about a movie by Kevin Smith? Kevin's my boy, just like all y'all. The Catlick Church ain't bitchin' about this flick, the Catholic League is. The guy who runs it has no authority from ME. I have a universe to uphold, do you really think I spend my time worrying about a FLICK offending me?! Get some perspective! BTW: what my son did in his personal life is no one's business and it certainly hasn't any affect at all on the message he brought to you clowns-- a message which you have persistently ignored, distorted, evaded and generally messed up for the past couple of millenniums. Thank ME that I have such patience!
Love,G -
Hello. It's Donkey. DONKEY was just banned from Talk Back and had to get a new name. Obviously, Donkey will be banned again once Harry realizes that Donkey have risen from the grave. Donkey have only one question: Why was Donkey banned? Because Donkey posted novel-length messages? Because Donkey let a personal quarrel consume the Talk Back feature? This is so fucking ridiculous. Harry, you've made a big mistake. Donkey told you that The Anti-Donkey should be banned, but you didn't listen. What have DONKEY done that The ANTI-DONKEY hasn't? Where did DONKEY go that The ANTI-DONKEY didn't? Donkey come back here and Donkey find that you have deleted every single one of my messages. Donkey half-expected to see the same done to The Anti-Donkey, but Donkey was shocked to find his bullshit still on the Talk Back! Harry, this is ridiculous!!!! Did The Anti-Donkey send you an e-mail or something?! Just because you two are friends, you're going to let The Anti-Donkey get away with all of his bullshit??? Donkey bet The Anti-Donkey e-mailed you saying "Hey, Harry. There's this guy that's bugging The Anti-Donkey. He's screwing up the Talk Back. Can you ban him?" "Sure thing, pal." And you can't even send Donkey a single word. You can't even try to reason with Donkey??? Oh, DONKEY forgot. You're a pro now! You don't have the time, right? Yet you have the time to come of here and delete Donkey's messages and ban Donkey from Talk back?????????? DONKEY swear to the Supreme Donkey, Donkey bet my right hoof that you didn't even read a single letter Donkey typed! Did you consider what The Anti-Donkey has said? Did you consider that, although Donkey might be an asshole, that maybe, JUST MAYBE The Anti-Donkey has done something wrong here?????????????????? THE ANTI-DONKEY TURNED THIS TALK BACK INTO A RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION! THE ANTI-DONKEY WROTE LONG DISPLAYS ABOUT HIS INTOLERENACE TOWARDS THE RELIGION OF OTHERS!!!!! Donkey know for a fact that if DONKEY wrote that bullshit, DONKEY would be banned in a second! Not only have you shown your ignorance, but you've shown your complete and utter disregard for the ridiculous bullshit spewed out of The Anti-Donkey's mouth! Why was DONKEY banned???? why? It doesn't make sense!!!!!!! Donkey stopped bashing The Anti-Donkey! Donkey even apologized!!!! My last message was about DOGMA! Donkey told everyone that Donkey was going to forget about The Anti-Donkey and get back on track! You even deleted DONKEY'S DOGMA POST!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why did you delete that one??? What reason could you have for deleting that message? You could have at least left that one alone! Donkey didn't even swear in that last post about Dogma! That was my fucking opinion on the fucking article, you ASSHOLE!!!!!!! WHY THE FUCK DID YOU DELETE IT???? That post abour Dogma which DONKEY wrote was deleted. yet, The Anti-Donkey's anti-religious rant IS STILL UP THERE!!!!!!! DONKEY am NOT RELIGIOUS! DONKEY AM NOT EVEN A CHRISTIAN!!!!!!!!! DONKEY A FUCKING ATHEIST, YET DONKEY KNOW THAT YOU DON'T MESS WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S RELIGION! And Donkey's post blasting The Anti-Donkey, my post that was free of derogatory remarks, my post that said that The Anti-Donkey should be banned, was deleted!!!!!!! why?????? why??????? FUCK YOU, HARRY! Ban Donkey for that, you prick. And you're gonna be on Ebert's show in a few weeks??? This is fucking bullshit! You're acting like your some teenage punk! It's not proffessional, harry. It just ain't proffesional.
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