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A Fan’s Review Of The New EVANGELION Films!

Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here. This is like the Bollywood review I also published tonight. Go ahead... tell me we don’t care about anime! Tell me again!

I’m well aware that sending a review of anything anime related to this site is going to be an uphill struggle. It won’t be long before someone below makes an comment concerning how the entire genre of anime “is crap” (just bringing that up ensures it) or how forty plus years of Japanese culture will “hopefully go away soon.” That is, of course, when the more rational talkbackers (all three of them) step in with a list of candidates that might just change some minds if anyone bothered to watch them – things like Escaflowne, Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo and of course... Evangelion. I could try and write this review of the first of the new Evangelion movies to appease both those who have never seen the series and those who have. However, I can only write from one standpoint – I’m far too familiar with the material to give any perspective on what it would be like without having first seen the TV. So that’s how I’ll handle it. Anyone interested in these movies who hasn’t seen the TV... has their starting point right there. Go do that. Love or hate the ending, anyway, there is no doubting the effect this 26 ep TV series, now over 10 years old, has had on anime since. Gainax, the studio responsible, know this all too well themselves – the initial poster for the new movies makes the bold statement “in the last 12 years there has been no anime as new as Evangelion was.” Debating that is a point for another time. The issue here is that they have decided to come back to the cash cow and turn out four new movies, to be released in three sittings. However, rather than take the recent Gundam Zeta route of mixing TV animation with new footage they have used the old storyboards to totally redraw everything digitally. As the films progress they will move further and further away from the original material, eventually culminating in an all new ending – one which we are assured everyone will be able to make sense of. This first movie takes the content of only the first 6 episodes of the TV series, dealing with the attacks of Angels 4, 5 and 6. It basically takes those battles with all the material around them condensed and smoothed together, then pumped up on steroids. The TV series looked fantastic 10 years ago, but as soon as the first frames hit the screen you know this is a movie. The background are either beautiful, detailed hand drawings or smoothly integrated CG. The movement is as fluid as you would expect from movie quality, and the characters all look pretty much identical to the TV series (something the trailers made me wonder about, and also something they totally didn’t bother with in Zeta.) Animation and visual wise, it was fantastic, with just the right balance between CG and hand-drawn material. Content starts of a little slower if you know the TV well, because it covers the same ground mainly with omissions rather than changes for the first half. A scattering of low level changes include the Eva’s arm no longer moving to protect Shinji from falling debris that now never falls; no mention of the Dead Sea Scrolls (thank god) but rather everything is running according to a schedule Seele has created; Gendo and Fuyutsuki manipulating Shinji into visiting Ayanami’s apartment rather than him simply dropping off homework, and all of the Eva’s weapons having been redesigned along with a different paint job for Unit 0. However, as things move into the Yashima operation the changes start to become bigger and more frequent. The 6th Angel looks the same initially but has undergone some big changes in appearance when it attacks, and the entire scene and how it plays it out is significantly beefed up from the end of another “Angel of the Week” TV show to something more fitting the climax of a movie. There are also two massive changes, both of which are huge spoilers and the most fun anyone who knows the series well will have with the movie, so I won’t detail them here. I will say that both simultaneously introduce elements that were kept hidden until much later in the series as well as greatly changing how these elements are going to work in the story. I’ve seen comments that people have been worried about “dumbing down,” but there isn’t too much of that. A few points, such as some details on the AT Field and how to destroy an Angel, are highlighted far more than they were in the TV. As I said above, mentions of Dead Sea Scrolls et al are all pretty much gone and even some Katakana terms like “First Children” are now absent, simply handled in Japanese, but that’s probably a change for the better. The scattering of random terminology that was then never really explained (especially religious stuff) is what helped to clutter up the end of Eva and make it all even more crazy. But the complexity has certainly not been stripped away – it just feels like it is leading somewhere this time. The preview at the end of the movie gave some hints as to where. At least one new Eva and one new character are both going to appear in the next movie, so it is moving even further off-book, and at this level of quality I personally can’t wait to see it. As a set up, the first of the movies has done a fantastic job. Ultimately, it is a retread but a fantastically enjoyable one, keeping all of the beats of the original material but overcoming the pitfalls of combining TV episodes together and bringing enough new stuff to the table to promise big, big things for the next two releases – especially the all new ending. The question with Zeta was “why not redraw it all?” and now they did that with Eva, the question is “why not draw something different?” – the first two battles play out exactly as you remember them, although they look a lot nicer – but then again, why try to fix something that most definitely wasn’t broken? Anyway, if you like Eva then I don’t have to tell you to see this, once you get a chance, but hopefully the above impressions will whet your appetite in the meantime! If you use this call me AndoSoundsLikeAMong.
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  • Sept. 2, 2007, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Figures I am first on an anime talkback

    by nicegoogly

    I hope the totally fix the ending. Is the fanservice still as hot as it was in the original series?

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Are there cartoon titties?

    by Doc_Strange

    I usually watch anime for the gratuitous nudity and bloody action. Never watched Evangelion. So are these prerequisites present in the series?

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 1:14 a.m. CST

    I hope this gets a good translation/export

    by dtpena

    And that it gets to my country someday..

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 1:14 a.m. CST

    FIRST CHILD!

    by Johnno

    Well sounds good to me! But being the Eva fan I am I certainly wasn't going to miss this! ADV better release this fast!

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Damn not first...

    by Johnno

    That's what I get for reading everything first... And there were titties in Eva if that's encouraging enough for Doc_Strange, mainly in the movie, and also in the manga... but also some scatterings of partial titty throughout the series...

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 1:23 a.m. CST

    And some new info here on the 2nd flic

    by Johnno

    A part of me fears this is turning into another kind of harem themed device... http://tinyurl.com/2md5hj

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 1:51 a.m. CST

    I want to see Gendo assfuck Shinji!!

    by godoffireinhell

    That's the kind of fan service-service I want to receive. Make it happen, Japan!

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 2:05 a.m. CST

    YOU DON't CARE about ANIME!

    by ye olde shiza

    Okay ... how's everyone feel now? Good? Good.

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Yeah!!!

    by ye olde shiza

    Where's the Urutsukidoji 2 review at, anyway? I want to read about the goddamn clown show!

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 2:45 a.m. CST

    Liked the series, but can't remember how it ends...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    I must've missed that episode.

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 2:57 a.m. CST

    So if I understand this

    by stemjsim

    So if I understand this review (having never seen the tv series) these movies are basically the Tv series - redux?

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Can't *insert profanity here* wait!!!!!

    by DishyDish

    Evangelion Move Out!!! ....and be quick [yet still true to the source] with the dub.

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 6:20 a.m. CST

    I don't understand.

    by quamb

    ANOTHER remake edit oddball version of the TV series??? The only time I tried to watch evangalion was when a friend lent me it on DVD. Cover art and concept look sweet. Though the DVD basically contained the whole TV series edited into an incoherent mess of nonsense - wtf was up with that?Evangelion is weird.

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Good anime

    by watashi-wa

    Evangelion is not good anime, it's formulaic rubbish. Power Rangers style 'monster of the week' kinda stuff, just like Battle Of The Planets (Gatchaman) was.<br><br> Good anime is stuff like (and, to his credit, the dude did name some): Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex (2nd GiG is the best anime series of all time, imo) and, of course, Akira.<br><br> A live-action Eva movie would be fun, admittedly, but only if the plot was condensed and all the insane mental shite of End Of Evangelion is taken out (or explained!).

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Never seen Evangelion

    by Wyrdy the Gerbil

    No idea why as im a big anime fan,seen most of the "usual suspects" like Escaflowne, Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo but Evangelion has pasted me by somehow,I suppose i`ll get to it sooner or later but im slowly getting through Noir,Get Backers,Berserk and the very very impressive Last Exile at moment

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Gay anime

    by godoffireinhell

    AI NO KUSABI, ENZAI, KAZE TO KI NO UTA, SENSITIVE PORNOGRAPH, LEGEND OF THE BLUE WOLVES, LEVEL C, KIZUNA...

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 6:40 a.m. CST

    I want to see a sequel to Witch Hunter Robin

    by Doc_Strange

    That, to me was really good anime. Cute witch girl battles demons from another world, cool supporting cast. What was not to like? Plus they kind of left the end of the series ambiguous.

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Neon genesis evangelion.....

    by knifeandfork

    Is fucking awful. Its a pretentious, boring , muddled mess that’s no way as important or profound as it thinks it is.And what makes it worse is its insistance on 13 and 14 year old characters involved in fan service. Ugh. Fuck this shit, your better off with power rangers......

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 7:02 a.m. CST

    The entire genre of anime is crap

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    Bebop, Champloo and GitS:SAC are excluded. That's it though.

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Homosexual Tentacle Rape in Anime

    by godoffireinhell

    Imma Youjo 1 and Jiburiru 1 are the two examples you want to check out! Just be aware that both are chock full of breeder material as well.

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST

    I Thought 'Ninja Sex Demon' Had Imprortant Ideas

    by skoobyx

    How much longer will the Conservatives keep the subject of sexual ninjitsu demonism from public discourse? Get the facts people.

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Anime Will Always be Swanky

    by Prof_Ender

    It's one of the few styles of motion pictures out there that still manages to play around with multiple genres and imaginations. And win-lose-or-draw it is always entertaining in some way shape or form. Recommended anime: MACROSS PLUS NOW AND THEN, HERE AND THERE GIANT ROBO VAMPIRE HUNTER D: BLOODLUST PORCO ROSSO READ OR DIE COWBOY BEBOP KINO'S JOURNEY LAST EXILE SAMURAI 7 GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES MONSTER I could write a book... The anime article that shows up on AICN is always good -- one of the better written segments on this site. And then, there's always this wonderful site: http://tinyurl.com/2u7a9k

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Any News On The US DVD Release?

    by LaserPants

    Thats all I wanna know. Don't sweat the anime haters -- their kneejerk contrarian ignorance is hardly relevant given the immense and growing popularity of this 40+ year old artform; an artform constantly evolving and improving; an artform that makes the gag-inducing, anthropamorphized , furry-tastic Broadway musicals for neglected suburban spawn churned out by the likes of Disney (Dizzzzney, Ditzey, Dismaly) laughably irrelvant and grotesquely infantile. The haters, quite frankly, are too idiotic to get it. Then again, as with most "haters", they probably secretly love anime, but lack the emotional maturity to admit it, and instead, like a monkey in captivity, throw their poop at the cage walls (cage walls being a euphamism for "mom's basement.")

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    The Cries Of "Pretension" Sound More Like Cries Of...

    by LaserPants

    "I didn't understand it! I'm dumb! Waah! MOM!!! HELP!!! WHY DID YOU LET ME BE BORN DUMB?!?! Oh, wait, dinner is at 5? Thanks mom! I'm so glad she lets me live here even though I'm 45."<br><br> Am I right or am I right?

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    BREAKING NEWS!!!

    by Johnno

    Live action Dragonball Z is actually happening!!! AICN get on it! http://tinyurl.com/yw9sx8 You may now all return to your regular discussion...

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Laserpants is right...

    by Johnno

    I've watched some remarkable films and thoroughly enjoyed them... then whenever I go to check out what other people's thoughts are simply to find a good discussion there's always the "Pretentious!" "Jumbled Mess!" "Poorly written!" etc. etc. vocal people. And while I do agree that there's some heavy stuff in films, series etc. I always understood it for the most part, and rewatching it reveals more and I'm always confused at why people thought otherwise... For years I always hid in the closet wondering that maybe those vocalites were right. But after pondering it over for years it just doesn't make sense... so I'm come to the conclusion that it's not the film/series/game/comic's fault... but rather that the people who find it 'pretentious' or 'confusing' are simply dumb... They lack the mental capacity to sit through something that's experimental and engages their mind and senses by breaking away from formula... So I'm stepping out of the closet to come out and finally say it... There's nothing wrong with any of this stuff and your cries are just false because you are dumbasses and the truth is that I'm simply smarter than you! S-M-A-R-T!!!!ER!!! And you're not! But keep blaming everyone but yourself!

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST

    NARUTO Rocks!!!

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    That's right... I said it. Watch the original Japanese versions, minus the annoying dubbing, and see how much more tolerable it is. And truthfully, it gets much better once they jump ahead three years to when Naruto's 15 yrs. old.<p>Also, check out Claymore, if you like sword-wielding hot girls fighting cannibalistic demons. Sorry pervs... no sex, though. :)

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Liked the TV Shows Ending the Best....

    by Gatack

    I can't wait for this one and it's been years since I've had a touch of eva fever. http://tinyurl.com/ywe4sv

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 3:58 p.m. CST

    I love anime, but _this_ review is crap

    by punto

    Of course I only got through the first paragraph of the guy whining because nobody likes his little cartoon shows, so I might be wrong.

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    The english voice actors

    by krushjudgement

    Sucked hard. I hope they get some professionals (And not Claire Danes). Anyway, this kid gave a good review. Makes me want to see it.

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Jerking Off To Coma Patients

    by LaserPants

    Clearly Shinji is a "hero" with several severe tragic flaws which altenately make us root for him, be disgusted with him, and feeling sorry for him. He's one of the most emotionally complex characters I've ever seen put to film, animated or otherwise. He's also very much a reflection of some of the more unflattering aspects of the average Japanese male otaku / student / sarariman in training...

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST

    "The entire genre of anime is crap"

    by PurityOfEssence

    When the fuck did Anime become a genre? But the intro to this review was terrible - for one there is fucking AICN Anime report on this sight - so it isn't like there is a bias toward Japanese animation. I like the medium of animation of which Anime is a subset, but doesn't mean I like everything contained in the medium (I love film but regard Uwe Boll's abortions as abominations of the highest order).

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Enough about the Anime, Bring on the the Live-Action!

    by DallasGoodbar

    I want to hear more about what Weta Workshop is doing about the live-action version esp. after the box office results of Transformers. I'm sure people want to see more large robot films and Evangelion should be one of them.

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Live action EVA Movie Trilogy

    by polyh3dron

    Have the first two action packed and then just fuck over the audience in the third by making it completely bullshit for authenticity's sake.

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST

    HUH??? "Jerking OFF"??? :O

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Now I KNOW I missed a few episodes...

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Nah, You Just Missed The Movies

    by LaserPants

    Its in the first scene to END OF EVANGELION, its also in the latter half of DEATH/REBIRTH (pretty sure). Anyways, yeah, in one of the moobies. Shinji jerks off to the comatose body of Asuka. He's kindof a jerky perv (but hey, abused child and all...)

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 10:55 p.m. CST

    This will be impossible to import and do live action

    by reflecto

    But I almost hope they try, because it would be like filming a dream. I am all over the new films. All subtitled prints, thanks. No dub for me. The dub actors are nightmares.

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST

    As I recall, the religious stuff was very inaccurate

    by Drath

    Adam and Lilith are like giant creatures that still exist and we humans descend from Lilith (uh, got that backwards), while Eve is cloned as Rei and was mother to all the alien-like Angels or some such shit, and the spear of Longinus is suddenly some giant spire that's sticking out of Adam and meanwhile the cross is all over the place but it doesn't have anything to do with Jesus (or at least the real Jesus)...it was as if they didn't have a clue what any of that stuff actually was and just threw the names in to add to the whole thing being more of a mind fuck. I've read a lot of it was just included to make it different from other mecha anime--which is about the most shallow reason I can think of for evoking such loaded concepts and imagery. I know it's been said that Evangelion is an overrated series (and I think it is, but most things are) but I think it's interesting that the writer suffers from manic depression. I know a few manic depressives, and a lot of the characters in NGE reminded me of them. I find it an interesting work from that angle, but I think there's a lot of pretentious bullcrap about how deep the whole thing is when there's a lot of shallow claptrap content in the series like the meaningless religious references. Perhaps if this new retcon drops that stuff, the whole thing will be improved. Ironically I thought the first ending where Shinji just decides to be happy was better than the WTF-crazy-as-2001: A Space Odyssey insanity of the second ending they made for it. More anti-climactic sure, and not a resolution that felt like it would really solve any of the main character's problems--but then I liked that the whole series could be seen as a delusion of a child battling the onset of psychosis. By that point, it was the only real way to take any of it seriously I thought.

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Gainax simply appropriated random religious iconography

    by reflecto

    and used it for dramatic and thematic affect. That's typical for anime and I was fine with it.

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST

    No need to defend anime. It's awesome

    by Proman1984

    looking forward to this movie.

  • Sept. 2, 2007, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Religious Iconography More An Aesthetic Choice

    by LaserPants

    I believe I even read an interview with Anno who said as much. Originally, they were planning to use more Buddhist type symbols and iconography, but the Powers That Be said "No effing way, it will freak everybody out too much" and hence they decided to borrow heavily (and loosely) from Judeo-Christian / Western mythos. Regardless, it all really works, and, at times, is very heavy, spooky, and deep. On a level where you don't need religion at all, I have none, but the first time I watched through all of the Eva, and the movies, I was filled with that sense of spiritual terror and release that religion inspires. Its really a brilliant (if, at times self-indulgent) show. This makes me very keen on seeing what a more restrained version of the story will look like. Anno is still at the helm, so I imagine (I hope) that he'll do something outstanding with it.. perhaps a little more focus and distance from the initial, obviously very emotional, first run, this could be the chacne to see the same story from a more mature (and stable) artist... we'll see... sounds promising so far...<br><br> Oh yeah, and definitely bring the WETA Live Action EVANGELION!!!

  • Sept. 3, 2007, 12:04 a.m. CST

    By Freaking Out "Everybody" I Mean...

    by LaserPants

    Japanese audiences. When GAINAX was getting down to it, Anno was operating under the assumption that this would never go overseas, it (the story) being too "Japanese." It was thought, by the Powers, that using Buddhist / Eastern symbols-mythos in an apocalyptic manner might frighten audiences too much, whereas the more unfamiliar, but still symbolically powerful, Judeo-Christian symbols-mythos would be receieved much better. And it worked! Ironcially, I think using the J-C Western symbols-myths is also what helped its popularity over here, for precisely what the powes at GAINAX feared would make it unpopular or too frightening in Japan! Wowzersneato! No seriously, ironic, no?

  • Sept. 3, 2007, 12:07 a.m. CST

    I do hope they streamlined the Adam/Lilith/angels stuff

    by reflecto

    Even in the series back when I was a diehard fan, I had absolutely no idea what the fuck they were talking about with the Angels, Adam and Lilith near the end. I couldn't tell whether the Angels were supposed to be alien or Earth-born or what. That could be tightened up a lot for these films and any live action one. It is slim pickings to cast it though, as Anno, Gainax and apparently ADV are real sticklers on age for the characters (Anno even says Emma Watson is too old to play Asuka). I have an almost memorex-like memory for obscure actors, but even I can't come up with many age appropriate American or European kids for those roles, much less any Japanese actors (no fucking idea), and it would be impossible to shoot a lot of what happened on the show with real adolescents.

  • Sept. 3, 2007, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Evangelion Rebuild Trailer Download

    by AxeBox

    You can find the trailer of what we're all talking about here: http://tinyurl.com/2o6ovn Its a 10mb file and downloaded in 5 minutes for me.

  • Sept. 3, 2007, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Regarding the religious stuffs...

    by jyo

    It's all peripheral since the religious references were just plot devices, but I took the series (read: movie) to end with the beginning of the Book of Genesis; specifically Genesis 1:2, which reads, "The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving [sometimes translated "hovering"] over the surface of the waters." As I recall, the earth was formless and void at the denouement of End of Eva, with a dark sky and a shot of Rei (whose name means "spirit" in Japanese) hovering over the ocean. Shinji and Asuka (with her new brown eyes) became Adam and Eve, replacing the previous ones: Adam having been revealed as Lilith, leaving the Eva units ("Eva" being the German form of "Eve") as Lilith's offspring which some legends say were demons (Eva-01 in particular looking like the Japanese Oni type "demon").

  • Sept. 3, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Regarding Religious symbols and the like...

    by Johnno

    They weren't striving for exactness with the religious texts. The basic premise is that when they discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls, they didn't release all to the public but kept from us certain prophesizing scrolls that spelt the end of life on earth or what can be interpreted as a rebirth or evolution of human beings into another stage. Out of that there'd be one chosen one who would decide the course humanity should take. Should humankind be wiped out? Should they become something new that would solve all their emotional delimmas that keep them forever in conflict, or should are humans fine as they are and try to start over? SEELE, a group of philantrophists with wealth and power decided to lead mankind onto the correct course and determine the outcome for themselves over what they as a group believed would be best for mankind. Gendo on the other hand wanted to usurp that role for himself because all he wanted was to get his wife Yui back and make up for never being a father to Shinji in order to pursue this course. However neither SEELE nor Gendo were given that opportunity, instead the spirit/alien being incarnated in Rei chose Shinji to be this 'chosen one' he is caught up in the instrumental Eva-01 and 'crucified' in a symbolic manner to indicate that instrumentality would occur through him. Unfortunately for humanity, Shinji is a tired, emotionally drained hurt terrified person when this occurs who simply wishes to give up and die himself because of all the events that led up to this climax so what will the outcome be? And that to me is Eva in a nutshell. There is no clear reason given for the events... Are they the result of God? Or is it the theory of panspermia that human life is of alien origin and technology, an artificial experiment itself? That remains a mystery and the show is all the better because it remains so even at the end.

  • Sept. 3, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Bravo, Johnno!

    by LaserPants

    Excellent synopsis and analysis. Are SEELE really philanthropists, though? Don't they murder more or less everyone at NERV? They seem just as opportunist and controlling as Gendo to me. They're out to generate apocalypse as well, just for their own goals.<br><br> Anyways, another think to think on is the cyclical nature of the story; in the end we're left with two of the principal characters on a deserted blood red beach essentially harkening the Genesis story with a rather darker edge... "I feel sick." That just blew me away the first time I saw it all the way through. I really do think its the greatest anime of all times, flaws and self-indulgences included. Very heady, spooky stuff.

  • Sept. 3, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Seele as philantrophists...

    by Johnno

    I suppose I use the term loosely... Basically powerful men who assumed control of world events themselves to match their own ideals by using the prophecies they'd obtained to secure a place for themselves on the world scale. They attempted to create their own angel as a tool for that very purpose who was Kowaru, but I think that despite their methods they really were genuinely motivated to lead mankind into a better future. At the end they realized they had lost control to Shinji and decided to play along anyway by having faith in the boy and fulfilling the prophecy. One of the best quotes I've ever heard was at the beginning of Death and ReBirth (Originally cut out from the series but re-included in the Director's Cut I think) goes something like, "Scientists, they think they have all the answers. They all suffer delusions of grandeur. They're all so caught up in their own petty speculations and hypotheses that they've lost complete touch with reality. Yet aren't they supposed to be the ones leading us on the quest for truth? How Ironic. Oh, they're far from altruistic. Discover brings joy. Understanding leads to control. They're just trying to impose their tiny wills on the chaos of the cosmos." In a way it sums up the controversies in science today and all the bullshit that masquerades as proven facts. But as far as its allegory to religion it might contrast something in Christianity where various groups try to fulfill prophecy themselves as if God personally left them explicit instructions to, compared to those that see that all such things are the will of God and they will happen on His account and he needs no imprompt assistance from us in such matters. So Seele is a group that attempts to carry out God's will of their own accord, but what they want is not in accord with what God desires when Shinji is chosen, a broken human being compared to the methodical, 'sane' and deliberateness and intelligently plotted course of the Wisemen's committee. They believed they were carrying out God's will and set a course and timetable that was not to be stepped away from and they wanted to ensure that Gendo carried out their wishes by remaining on schedule and not diverting from it. They constantly call any actions taken by him that move from their plan into account. However the end symbolizes that the best laid plans of men fall short at the behest of God or if other prefer, at something in the cosmos far greater than human beings are capable of understanding much less stand a chance at completely controlling... Which from there we can begin come down to our level to take a look at humanity's emotions, desires, attitudes, pleasures and motivations and all the things that drive us to behave in a particular way for ourselves and with relation to others and why hard it is for us to understand one another and grow closer. It is that which causes all the conflict in our lives and our inability to reach out to one another where our relationships just become so hopeless that we then want to shrivel and die or run away because it's all just so overwhelming in our hearts and minds on par with the galactic spectacle that is the Third Impact.

  • Sept. 3, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    ^ continued

    by Johnno

    In a way getting back to the original quote, Eva compares that of scientists trying to make the universe fit their theories and ideas to that of religious men plotting out a course for God to take rather than allow God to act, and inevitably how human beings try to impose themselves on other, trying to get them to look at them a certain way, trying to get them to love them, trying to hurt them and make sure they know it or trying to get others to fit some sort of ideal that we've imagined them to be. Shinji can't be the ace pilot everyone's forcing him to be. Asuka can't get Kaji to look at her as a grown up. Shinji knows no possible way of getting close to his father. Misato can't get over what precisely she feels for hers. Even the ages of Shinji, Asuka and Rei display the adolescent theme of maturing, becoming sexually active beings and all in all it's the age where things become confusing as one transitions from childhood into adulthood. Eva tries to say these are all some pretty big things going on in our own lives now, look at the big picture past the spectacle of the robots and military and world catastrophic events and more about the barriers (AT fields) we put up around ourselves and how we react to invasions (Angels) who try to intrude into our lives and either cause harm or try to understand us (compare the angel attacks from the beginnings of the show to the ones that come at the end, notibly the one that puts Asuka into a Coma but coming into her to show her things she doesn't want to remember, followed by the one that invades Rei internally to bring her to realizations about how empty she is, and finally in Kowaru who reaches out to Shinji as a friend and intimately. and finally it all collides in the final Angel that is revealed to be mankind itself!) Evangelion is truly an amazing show and there has yet to be anything that lives up to it!

  • Sept. 3, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    "all the bullshit that masquerades as proven facts."

    by LaserPants

    Johnno, I hope your not talking about evolution, here, because I believe evolution is more or less a proven hypothesis whereas intelligent design is not science at all, its faith. <br><br>But truly, there are many cold, calculating men of science, just as there are cold, calculating, and manipulative men of faith, but for rationalities sake, I stick with science and cast a skeptical eye at faith and/or religion. For one, we have the demonstratable phenomenon, documented, catalouged, physical, logical; faith relies on the intangible, hopeful, dreams. It would be nice to think there were an intelligent designer who loves and cares for us, but that doesn't make it true. <br><br> Just something to think about. please don't take this as bashing. I think that religion/faith can be a good thing, but not if it precludes rationality; its more a guiding metaphor than a document of reality or history. But anyways, if a man of faith is a man of peace (and fan of Evangelion), than he's a friend of mine. ;-) Peace.

  • Sept. 3, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST

    AndoSoundsLikeAMong...

    by couP

    Brilliant name!

  • Sept. 4, 2007, 9:03 a.m. CST

    EOE's ending also has some optimism

    by reflecto

    Rei and Kaworu tell Shinji that everyone who died during Third Impact (Misato, Asuka, etc) can return if they wish. Asuka sure did. I am a sentimentalist and think Shinji and Asuka on the beach at the end were just the first two.

  • Sept. 4, 2007, 8:58 p.m. CST

    The First Two? Or The Only Two...

    by LaserPants

    Left with the burden of having to start the human race all over again. Spoooooky!

  • Sept. 22, 2007, 8:42 a.m. CST

    I saw this movie yesterday *SPOILERS*

    by generik

    I think it needs to be stressed that a lot of this movie plays like a shot-for-shot remake. So if you're hoping for a totally new Evangelion experience, you may end up disappointed. This is kind of like X-Files: The Movie. The effects are bigger but the story has been diluted to appeal to a broader audience (I guess). That having been said, though, the new angel battles DO look great. Probably the best part of the movie. **SPOILERS AHEAD** I think the spoilers the poster was talking about are Lilith (who Misato shows to Shinji -- kind of an odd story beat this early on) and Kaoru (who shows up in the last 5 minutes and seems to have a SEELE affiliation of some kind). Lilith's appearance is somewhat different than I remember. She has the same "face" as the first angel. I think the second angel had the same "face" as well, I guess to show their connection. I can't remember if the third angel had the same face or not. ***END SPOILERS*** I think it's better to think of this as "Evangelion: Special Edition" than a totally new movie experience. The effects are better, but you're going to feel like you're watching a clip show in a lot of places, especially if you haven't seen the original series in a while. In all honesty, I didn't realize anything other than the angel battles and a few new scenes had been redrawn until I read this review. This is only for hardcore EVA fans or for people totally unfamiliar with the series. People who know the series and weren't totally thrilled with it should stay away. I would imagine they'd be bored. Feel free to e-mail me if you have any other questions.