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A Fairly Self-Congratulatory SAW IV Trailer Is Online Now! All Hail SAW 4!
Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here.
I certainly think everyone involved with making SAW the single biggest horror franchise at the moment, big enough to scare a movie actually called HALLOWEEN off of the Halloween release date, deserves some congratulations. I just think a trailer like the one they released this weekend is a little full of itself. They’re grisly little morality plays. They didn't cure fucking cancer.
I also think that these films grow increasingly dense in continuity as they progress, so it’s harder to sell the hook to new ticketbuyers instead of just fans of the previous films.
Check it out for yourself.
Here's the teaser trailer for "Saw IV."
Matt McDaniel
Yahoo! Movies
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SAW!!!
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is not iconic and does not have a spot reserved in the horror Pantheon.
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uhh... this trailer doesn't just instill that feeling in me, it outright fucking says it!! That doesn't exactly get me running to the cinema. That's a bunch of executives sitting in a room resting their chins on their hands, sighing, "yea... it's, ya know, another one, so...". Are they kidding me with this? This thing screams "We're making it because, well, duh, it's time for Halloween again! What ELSE were we supposed to do??"
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That by Saw VII you'll just see a wife and husband getting ready for a party, and her ask if the dress she's wearing makes her look fat, and then he just stabs himself to death to get out of the trap.
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Because the last I looked, he was utterly and completely deadified at the conclusion of Saw III.
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i'm not interested in seeing saw iv. and this is someone who loved the first three.
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spank it again... for the first time.
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The music sounded like Clint Mansell's score had been put into a trap by Jigsaw himself.
If you want something really retarded this Halloween, you should check out the B-movie ridiculosity of Jigsaw, 2002, straight-to-video, baby!
http://www.im db.com/title/tt0330489/
My friend Art is in it, but despite that, I found it to be quite funny. -
that's a better tagline...c'mon
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I just read the tagline for the above-mentioned Jigsaw: Straight to Video Wonderfulness (this is the full subtitle).
"Put him together ... he'll tear you apart!"
I bet the whole movie was based on that one line. Sounds like something the writer said when he was drunk and laughing with his friends ... -
I oft hear people say "I like Jigsaw cause he's got a message." Ummm no. The movie falsely portrays a message to give something very shallow (and there is nothing wrong with that in a horror film) false profundity. Its really just total bullshit. The problem being is that he has no point whatsoever. Making people mame themselves will not make them feel better about life, no matter how close to bottom they have hit. If you believe that these people would really be improved by the events they suffer in the film (the ones that don't lead to death) then you have seen one too many movies. it's even laughable in the world the film creates. He also basically kidnaps people who don't have any real problems, like both characters in the first film, and then just makes some really random shit about them not being satisfied with life to justify it. It's no less about a psycho who wants to kill people for no reason whatsoever in totally unrealistic ways that any other slasher-esque film. And they shouldn't apologize for that, or give the killer some bullshit quest that people stupidly actually buy.
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They're continuing success really and truly baffles me. And no, they don't deserve any respect for beating a franchise that's been dead for ten years.
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I plan on renting "The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes" and staying inside, alone, to watch it ... with the lights off. The police will have to pry the straight-edge out of my cold, dead hands the next morning.
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Yo! I'd pay good money ta' see dat' muthafucka'! Dat' be torture porn at its' best. I'd bet after Industrykiller chastizes Jigsaw about his triflin' ways, he'd be ready to douse hisself wit' gasoline and strike a match so he won't hafta lissin ta' killa's fillablusterin' rant on da' shallowness of killin' a muthafucka' fo' fun an' box office profit.
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What a great name. Reminds me of Charlie Murphy's friend in the Mad Real World. "This is my cousin, Lysol. He just got outta prison."
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It was just so country & ethnic sounding, I just had to claim it for myself...Besides, some bastard already took Dr. Doom.
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Regardless of how good the halloween remake is it is infinitely better than these pieces of shit ever could be. Why must consumers suck?
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the next installment in the "you whippershnappers don't appreciate your liiiiives! When i was a kid we had to walk to school in 20 inches of snow uphill both ways with large ravenous dogs chasing us the whole waaaaay" series. The simpsons need to do a parody of the saw movies with grandpa simpson as stupid jigsaw.
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Barry White knows how to pick 'em! Meet Glodene and her sis', Sensodyne
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Twisted Pictures had themselves a damn fine trilogy before they greenlighted this shit. It'd be nice for once to have a horror icon that didn't star in a neverending film series. Here's to hoping Saw VI is the last one :(
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Noxema.
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Okay ... I'm going to go watch Fear of a Black Hat sometime today. I don't know what made the connection for me, but now I'm on a mission to reconnect with my ethnic boundaries.
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I got Q, The Winged Serpent, Escape from New York, Total Recall Special Edition, The Running Man, and Club Dread on my last trip to that bin.
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Its just Torture porn. There's a difference. Because its torture porn.
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...a ho hum franchise like SAW any day of the week.
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Don't know how that trailer was full of itself exactly and maybee they did cure cancer coz im pretty sure that naughty dude from the previous ones was dying from it!?I'm not a big fan of watching people be randomly tortured, I thought Hostel 2 was absolutely embarrassing on all levels but the kids seem to like this sort of shit so they'll keep churning it outIf you don't want it to continue though stop giving these grubby z movies any airplay!
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as I've posted before, here is my review of Turistas from Collider.com. It's really just an essay on the significance of this subgenre...
TURISTAS
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Hunter M. Daniels
The current crop of so called "torture porn" films are to be expected. A situation like that shown in the phenomenally popular "Hostel" and "Saw" franchises is a reaction to stresses of the world.
Tom Savini famously commented that all of his effects work was based on what he saw, and took meticulous photographs of, in the Vietnam War. The prevalence of the Slasher genre in the 80's is often seen as a reflection of the societal backlash from the sexually open hippy era to a point where sex was again something to be feared. The slasher, reinforcing these values was a creation of cold war paranoia. Freddy, Jason and Michael were just manifestations of the seemingly indestructible force of communism—a monolithic beast ready to destroy the All-American kids and take away the future of an entire generation.
In the slasher films the enemy was clear and the motivation was simple because America knew "They" were the bad guys and we were the good guys. Things were clear cut and there was a linear path between problem and solution.
That is no longer the case.
Today, we have been weaned on paranoia. Anyone could be a "sleeper-cell" hiding in our neighborhood. Anyone we pass on the street could be planning to make some homemade explosive and put it in his or her shoe. The enemy is no longer a nation. No longer some clear cut "Them" whom we can gather together to hate. We have been taught that the Muslim faith is not the enemy (while simultaneously told that it more or less is) and that we cannot possibly try to fight a war against the religion. So what are we left with?
"Saw" and "Hostel" and "Turistas" especially all deal with this problem. Where once the teenagers who had committed some sin would be punished while the sober virgin would survive now the victim is most often a completely innocent person. Also, the murder is not its own end any longer, the torture that comes first more than the inevitable final blow is the focus. Terrorism works this same way. It is not the number of people killed, it is the fear this instills in those still alive.
It is important to note the prevalence of the idea of games in these films. From an outside perspective, there is a sort of art and beauty to the simplicity of the 9/11 attacks. The most effective moments in the "Saw" films recreate this effect. Basic tools turned against their makers. A child's clay made into a facsimile of a bomb. Box-knives into weapons used to kill thousands. A videogame as instruction. All of these become puzzle-pieces to the twisted games of the madmen on screen in these "torture" films. And the monster is no longer some giant oaf. He is smarter than you, and in the case of Jigsaw and the Doctor in "Turistas" he is going to literally convert you to his way of thinking.
To ignore the messages of a film like "Turistas" or any of the other torture based horror films is to ignore what could well be the central problem of our modern world. Horror films are one of the most telling signs of what a society is grappling with at any given moment, even as, or perhaps because, they are rarely appreciated until generations later.
"Turistas" is the latest entry into the torture horror subgenre. However, unlike its predecessors, this film seems almost uninteresting in its' gory bits. There is a feeling of an adventure chase film from the 80's with organ removal added onto it. Like many similar films, "Turistas" starts off with some somewhat developed main characters traveling abroad and finding their way into what amounts to a Venus fly trap. Here, the twenty-somethings are Caucasian tourists in Brazil who are abducted by an evil doctor who wants to take their organs so that they can "give back" to the country they are taking so much from.
When this film was released there was some talk of it being racist or unfair to Brazilians. But to interpret the film in this manner would be to deeply undersell its point. Ultimately, this is a film about xenophobia. Brazil is used as a sort of shorthand for the protagonists eroticizing foreign culture while extolling their own ethnocentrism and assuming that the locals will just do whatever is requested because of the European nation's dominance in South America. One man sleeps with a woman presuming she must want him because he is a foreigner and is shocked to discover that she is a prostitute and wanted him for his money. The underlying irony is that in either situation, her agenda is identical. It is also worth noting that only one of the main characters even bothered to learn Portuguese, while the others continually yell in broken Spanish, unaware of their own idiocy.
"Turistas" deals with deep seeded issues of disenfranchisement and subjugation. The organs taken from the youths are little more than extensions of Shylock's demand for a pound of flesh. The Brazilian characters are almost never subtitled and most of the discomfort and terror that an audience is likely to feel results from our collective ignorance of foreign cultures. The assumption that people outside of our own circle of European white culture are somehow less civilized or boorish is played off of to great effect.
Our own ethnocentrism is challenged with the character of "Kiko" who is at first played for comic relief because of his fractured English. He seems almost slow or "special" if you will. As the story progresses however, he is shown to be the moral center of the feature, choosing to protect the protagonists from a fate too terrible for words.
This is certainly the best looking of the torture horror films (thanks to the steady directorial hand of John Stockwell) and for as much as it has been compared to "Hostel" and "Saw" it is more derivative of "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" than anything else.
Even with these faults and the added baggage of abundant brutality towards women and some logical jumps in the narrative, "Turistas" stands on its own as an above average thriller thanks to its claustrophobic and tense final act where the surviving characters desperately try escape through a series of underwater tunnels. The tension is palpable and effect is gripping.
"Turistas" is not a revolutionary film but it is definitely underrated (IMDB currently has it listed at a 3.0 average). There are some excellent set pieces and plenty to think about if you look beneath the surface.
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how do I get paragraph breaks to show up in this damn thing?
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...got no idea what it means.
But I gotta say I'll skip Saw 4, since part 3 annoyed the hell out of me and I don't think this will be better. -
Also, that was a pretty crappy trailer.
I can enjoy the saw films in that they are seriously mediocre horror films, getting less and less interesting with the exponentially less necessary sequels, but I have no excitement for IV. Especially after seeing that. -
"If it's Halloween, it must be SAW." I think that it's great that they're trying to make this into a Halloween tradition. Sure, I hope they stop after this film, but I think the tagline works. My only complaint? It should read: "If it's Halloween... there will be blood."
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But I totally agree. I love seeing movies in theaters but as of late I find it hard to find much to get excited for. Hell, half the time I'm not sure what's opening. Nor car to check.
All I have to say is thank od for netflix and thank god for home theaters. I still miss the giant screens, but home is a good substitute. -
Damn teenagers.
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Do I have to post my little essay about Takashi Miike again?
Terms invented by reports should be tortured horribly for our amusement. -
I kinda casually saw the first 2 on tv and thought they were okay, but Im not arsed about getting to see them. However, if some one could just tell me the ending to the third one Ill be happy like.
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Not at all- just a trailer for a new Saw movie, all of which have been released around Halloween. I guess the first 3 second musical cue is kind of grandiose but seems to kind of be a joke.
As a horror movie fan I thought Hostel II and especially Saw III were better than their predecessors. If you know anything about the history of horror movies, you know it's a genre with a history of cranking out cheap explotation flicks. The first Saw wasn't great and I'm sure it had some logic holes but the fact is the idea is kind of fucked up and disturbing and hadn't been done in a while (or ever). that person who mentioned Chinatown and then the Goonies in this thread- go back to the crack pipe.
I agree trying to defend Jigsaw as a philanthropist is retarded- unless you're a fundamendalist, you'd probably disagree that cheating on your wife makes you deserving of waking up in a trap that dismembers you, etc.
I will say I found a bit or two in Saw 3 deeply disturbing and though the ending dovetailed with the last two movies in fairly complex and intricate ways, leaving me impressed with the overall misanthropy and very pessimistic take on humanity. As I understand it there was alot of improv on the set and I think the returning actors really made the movie into something more than was on the page. -
Sep 02, 2007 11:35:32 AM CDT
This trailer perfectly demonstrates why I hate "Saw".
by son of a butch
Screaming and glimpses of faces with "FUCK I'm in horrible pain!" expressions is what's supposed to get people excited about it. That just says it all.
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Saw 2 was one of the shittiest movies I've ever seen! You might like it, if you like Real World, Seasons 4-18, because that's all it was ... a bunch of walking glamour shots running around screaming and being unnecessarily dramatic.
It was so fuckin' annoying that I had to meditate and wish I wasn't watching it while I was watching it.
It was indeed ... a horror-ble film. Horrible to watch. Horrible to listen to. Horribly scripted. Horrible. -
Is actually how it's spelled.
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You gots ta' keep it hood.
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Coming from someone who really liked the first three Saw movies, I don't give a shit about this trailer. What's the harm in going back to the first Saw trailer, where everything was set up and it actually got me hooked?
This one just has images of people screaming - suddenly, I'm reminded of that godawful Capitivity trailer. I'm dissapointed... I have absolutlely no drive to see this now... -
they're not scary, they're gory.
and the so-called "morality" questions they raise are not interesting enough to warrant how gross they are.
the films aren't made with enough skill to justify the grisliness, it's just cheap, overly-stylized grunge torture. i'm bored of it and i want this trend to die a quick death, so we can get back to actual HORROR FILMS again.
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Or "Halloween" even ...
A coupla Halloween's ago, we rented Hellraiser and The Thing. Before that, The Nightmare on Elm Street box set, complete with 3-dimensional paper glasses.
Saw usually bores me to tears. My review for the first film spoke of how it was a giant amalgam of many other films before it. It was like a pot luck dinner, and about 37 different movies were crushed like breadcrumbs, sprinkled into a pot, and they created one hell of a mediocre gumbo.
I mean ... just look at it, the way its filmed. Tell me that Se7en didn't do everything (minus the torture porn) better. And Cary Elwes? The scariest scene in the whole film was the one where he was speaking with his kid. I thought the pedophile was going to stick his tongue in the child's ass. -
The first post on imdb under the original Saw is "Cary Elwes : bad acting?"
He should be a villain, though ... really. I know you've all seen Elwes in Liar, Liar.
The claw scene made me wish I never had that guy as a father. That or the incredible "One, two three, four, five, and one for good luck!" -
when seeing the trailer is highly over rated. mutherfook, do it in Quicktime or not at all.
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I could give a fook.
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Lamest ad campaign ever. I hope those ad-designers were summarily shot, by catapult, into boiling pot of grits.
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Hell... if it's 3:38PM... it must be SAW...
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Simpsons did it
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and left me numb, bored and mildly irritated. I do want my own pit of syringes, though, in case I ever get my own episode of Cribs.
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yeah, there's nothing else to say.
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There's no point to any of these films. Horror franchises are generally terrible. You want to see the entire "Saw" sequence/tetralogy/cycle? Or really, any horror franchise? Ready? Just watch the first movie four times in a row. Better off spending the $10 on Thunderbird Wine and Patio Burritos.
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By far, this is the largest collection of idiots I've ever had the displeasure of coming across. You morons are wasting time in your parents' basement waiting for the next big thing while perfectly good films like the SAW series pass you by. Wake up, twits!!! SAW and its sequels are great and deserve our respect. Can you do any better? Yeah, I thought not.
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First of all, the original Saw was not even brilliant. It was a three star affair for me; solid, but not worth all the tremendous hype. The other two? Fucking forget it. Plus, it ushered in a wave of torture pr0n imitators and got every other brutal horror film that's GOOD labeled "torture pr0n" as well.
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I don't get it? I smell jealousy.
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yeah, there's nothing else to say.
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The fact that you can judge an entire franchise based on 10 minutes (which is a lie) from the worst entry is ludicrous.
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A Nightmare on Elm Street 4 was a solid movie. It was Freddy meets the Summer Movie Blockbuster. The production values were good. The story was good. And the deaths were creative. Also Halloween 4 was technically the 1st Halloween remake. It has an identical story to part 1, and it had some good scenes. The rooftop chase was great. Both those movies were good.
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So am expecting to hate 4. I am up for being pleasantly surprised though.
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Sep 03, 2007 2:51:27 PM CDT
The last 4 or so Halloweens didn't open on Halloween...
by enrique_o_k2000
Why are we still surprised that a Halloween movie is opening in August, when late summer's been the series' de facto release period for a decade now? I don't think it has too much to do with 'Saw'
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At least Scream knew it was ridiculous and didn't take itself *too* seriously. I always got the impression the guys behind Saw thought they were making Silence of the Lambs or something
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IF IT'S HALLOWEEN, IT MUST BE SAW?
Is that suppose to make me run to the theaters?! Seriously. Only a studio exec would have thought of this stupid ass tagline. SAWIII should have finished the series like RETURN OF THE JEDI did for STAR WARS. But NNOOO! Damn execs thinks in easy to make money just on the fucking name of something that has a following. FUCK YOU STUDIOES! Shit! I'm getting of all this bullshit Hollywood is vomitting up. This teaser just teased me on how bad this movie COULD be! -
It's a standard teaser, reusing the "If its Halloween..." tagline from Saw III's trailers. It's more just sort of lazy.
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I take it that every Halloween I will be treated to some lame ass version SAW. So SAW is going the way that A NIGHTMARE ON ELM ST, FRIDAY THE 13th and HALLOWEEN went? Just tired so called sequals of what once was a classic horror movie. Man, being a fan of horror movies is sucking more and more each month.
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The first saw, although a rip off, had me gripped, and with that twist ending with the 'who the fuck is behind all this' money shot I nearly shat myself. From then on, it became pointless. We were almost forced to sympathise with a guy who had terminal cancer and just cause they were making common mistakes he put them in nasty traps he knew they couldn't get out of and even if they did they were still fucked, like mandy. Seven made you understand the killers intentions a little more as he was a religous fanatic and killed them according to the seven deadly sins, so it sort of made sense. But Jiggy would kidnap an innocent child and the third completely contradicted itself. These films are retarded and suck balls.
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