Aug. 22, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST
first oh yeah
Aug. 22, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST
So Kevin McKidd is playing the part? Cool!
Aug. 22, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST
First. I dont' get to do that very often.
Aug. 22, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST
My night is RUINED. Boo Hoo!
Aug. 22, 2007, 8:04 p.m. CST
all of those actors and it was just a bad ass movie. This is good news
Aug. 22, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST
Good point about Green Street Hooligans. The script was fairly predictable, but the slices of hooligan life were awesome to watch. P2 could be a much better movie.
Aug. 22, 2007, 8:09 p.m. CST
And that's a good thing.
Aug. 22, 2007, 8:11 p.m. CST
May not matter who's directing or starring or whatever. It's Marvel, who brought you such classics as Spider-Man 3, Hulk, X-Men 3 The Last Stand(!?!), and let us not forget those two cowpiles known as Fantastic Four 1 and 2!! Yes, I know Spidey 1 and 2 were great, and Jon Favreau may give us hope with Iron Man, but still.....
Aug. 22, 2007, 8:18 p.m. CST
I thought Jane was perfect for the role, I just thought that Travolta was crappy, but everything dealing with Frank Castle was great.
Aug. 22, 2007, 8:24 p.m. CST
by Judge Briggs
wow, she is a looker!
Aug. 22, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST
I almost shit myself due to the awesomeness of that battle. They topped scorsese and gangs of new york in all of one minute. Then he choked out his dying bitch and dumped her in the sewer. BEST SHOW EVER!
Aug. 22, 2007, 8:26 p.m. CST
Titus Pollo rides to New York on a giant eagle (to the stars) where he kills the mob boss with his gladius.<p> THIRTEEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aug. 22, 2007, 8:29 p.m. CST
Was a better film than it had a right to be, especially with Travolta scene-chewery going on. Thomas Jane really could've made a great deal out of the franchise. It's too bad Lionsgate's backing of a horrible story of what sounds like a pretty decent premise for the second movie forced him out. I admire his integrity. What transpired forces me to question everything about this second film despite what sound like positive steps. It won't matter shit if the story ain't good.
Aug. 22, 2007, 8:31 p.m. CST
I really hope this is better because the last one just sucked big time. The writing was all over the wall when they decoded to shot the thing in Tampa
Aug. 22, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST
Aug. 22, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST
... is the fact that Thomas Jane dropped out of this because he didn't like the script. I like Lexi Alexander, I love Ray Stevenson... but what is so bad about that script that made Jane want to leave the project?
Aug. 22, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST
I like this Punisher already.
Aug. 22, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST
by Charlie Murphy
although he obviously does work best off alone somewhere.
Aug. 22, 2007, 9:06 p.m. CST
and that things like Punisher can be serious & gritty, in fact have to be if there any point making it, this has to be rougher and harder than any Batman Begins or Sin City...they sure did pick one hell of an actor. and a promising director.
Aug. 22, 2007, 9:06 p.m. CST
by Gwai Lo
We may as well start with a brief mention of Dolph Lundgren. From what I remember of that movie, it was pretty bad, but it was atleast tough in certain spots (I seem to remember Dolph sealing a wound with a hot poker) and had that 80's hard R action flick vibe going on. Fast forward. Thomas Jane was a great Frank Castle, and everything else about that movie let him down. I'm not sure if it was John Travolta, the roommates and the love interest, the popsicle torture or the network TV style cinematography but something was rotten in Denmark. I had hope at the beginning, when his entire extended family got massacred, but take away the skull t-shirt, ignore Thomas Jane's performance and call the movie "The Vigilante" and it's on the level of Walking Tall 2. I respect Jane's integrity for walking away from another bad film, and wish he was able to make the film he was talking about a couple months ago. I haven't seen Rome but this Ray Stevenson guy looks right. Also haven't seen anything from the director but I'm all for new talent if they're capable. Seems like Marvel is actually acknowledging that they need to stick with pedigree talent, and they're rebooting a lot of shit. Let's just hope they're actually improving their franchises with stuff like the Incredible Hulk, Wolverine, Punisher 2 etc instead of spiralling further into shittiness.
Aug. 22, 2007, 9:06 p.m. CST
by Thick McRunFast
I haven't seen GSH, but I want to. She sounds like a badass (yet looks like a hotass).
Aug. 22, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST
by Charlie Murphy
more or less a steamy pile of turd. i've only seen it twice (once in theatres, once on dvd) but as i recall everything was awful, from the villain, to the supporting cast, right down to the score. (wtf was with the punisher "theme") and yeah, this Lexi chick is pretty.
Aug. 22, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST
I will give you that one. Fat, ugly chicks shouldn't be directors, because they have personal grudges that seep their way into the films they make. Now Lexi Alexander, I'd sleep with her if I had to.
Aug. 22, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST
by Spykid the 13th
Mark my words now - there is absolutely no chance this film will make it into theaters. This will be a straight-to-dvd film, at best. It will be premiering on Sci-Fi Channel, at worst. However, it won't be found in a theater to save your life. Of course, you won't want to buy the DVD. You'll want to wait for the UNRATED EDITION released a few months after the first DVD release, and even then you'll want to wait a little more to see it double-packed with BOONDOCK SAINTS PLATINUM KISS MY SHAMROCK EDITION.
Aug. 22, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST
Green Street Hooligans kicked ass and now an actual punisher film! This is crazy. Come on Marvel don't tell me you got 2 right in a row! First Iron Man now this!! I hope this kicks ass.
Aug. 22, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST
If i'm not mistaken they are going with "The Punisher: Welcome Back Frank" which was also the name of the jokey Garth Ennis take on the character which the first movie was so bent on invoking. I only really like Frank when he's a guest in other books, causing problems for the main hero, so i guess i'm not the intended audience anyway.
Aug. 22, 2007, 9:51 p.m. CST
He is so the frakkin man! Loved his killing of Cicero, 'Can I have some peaches?' Just perfection. Wonder what an American accent and lack of crew cut will yield. Rome produced the 2 best partners in TV history, Titus and Veronus, God I can't wait for this movie. Such a great actor.
Aug. 22, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST
I went to a Q&A with her when GSH came out. I loved GSH and she came across as very cool, down to earth but tough as hell. I hope she makes another good film. Even though I'd rather see her do something else and not a sequel.
Aug. 22, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST
- you've failed to mention. 'Greenstreet Hooligans' was FUCKING TERRIBLE! For starters, the terrible Mary Poppin's-esque 'gor blimey guv'na' english accents employed by key leads (no names, i'll at least give them that) were abysmal. At one point i thought Dick Van Dyke had been the fucking dialect coach - but all shitty accents aside - THAT was a crap film. Really hackneyed story and characters. Forgive me if your little puff piece here, bigging up the choice of Lexi, doesn't really fill my heart with joy. It's not brutality and violence that's going to make' The Punisher 2' good. It's script and character. Judging by 'Greenstreet', we ain't going to get that.
Aug. 22, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST
I'd fuck Ms Alexander six ways from Sunday...
Aug. 22, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST
Who's going to see it? I like the Punisher, yet never seen a punisher film. I do want a tough film. Yet the script has to be very good. There is enough straight to video material with this sort of premise.
Aug. 22, 2007, 10:35 p.m. CST
by tk 421
Is fucking perfect for the role of the Punisher. That scene from season 1 of Rome where Pullo tortures the guy screwing Vorenus' wife is as hard boiled as it gets. Now hopefully this hot-ass, karate kicking, german(?) director can give us a good movie.
Aug. 22, 2007, 10:37 p.m. CST
Aug. 22, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST
Yeah, well, she's so great that she spelled Martin Scorsese's name wrong at the bottom of the gallery page. Sorry, that just rubs me the wrong way. Makes her seem like a fucking flake (as does the rest of her ill-designed site) - that goes for Harry, too, at least on this call. GREEN STREE HOOLIGANS was absolutely terrible - and the fair share of blame lies with Lexi's wretchedly sentimental/mtv style direction. Anyone seen THE FIRM with Gary Oldman? Well, Alan Clarke's flick was the real deal, and didn't try to make us feel sorry for the douchebag that had to sleep in the ditch he'd been digging all along. I don't think this PUNISHER movie will be extremely bad, I just think it's going to be slickly pedestrian. And with these names (no offense, I like the guy from ROME), it is NOT going to be a tentpole release like a PUNISHER movie should be - it'll slog on either right before or a week or two after some other HUGE movie, with the hopes that it can tag along with those ticket sales. And it'll be on TNT about five months after it premieres at the multiplex.
Aug. 22, 2007, 10:42 p.m. CST
. . . .but women can’t direct horror and action movies. . . . That’s all I’ll say.
Aug. 22, 2007, 11 p.m. CST
The ultimate Punisher movie would be directed by Michael Mann with a script by Garth Ennis and William Monohan and the photography by Janusz Kaminski and it would be filmed like Munich and Children of Men.
Aug. 22, 2007, 11 p.m. CST
The Dolph Lundgren attempt on the Punisher turned into a "Made for TV" like which bearly got anything from the comic except the fact he is a vigilante and in something resembling a large(r) city. The Thomas Jane Punisher may have been affective if you took it seriously while being high and drunk off your ass too not let the goofiness, silliness, and holes in the basic facts of Frank Castle. I wrote a letter to Harry about this way before the Thomas Jane movie came out and I was %100 correct that the movie would suck eggs. You can not substitute The Middle East for what happened in Vietnam. It was a different era with different ideas. You can't substitute Tampa instead of NYC. I've been to both places myself. The lifestyle and people are more laid back in Tampa then NYC. What real Punisher script I would love to see is one where the script writers take the time to learn the details of the chemistry that makes the Punisher work. Yes, do the Research: Marvel's "The 'Nam" comic where Castle is changed by the bitter and corrupt influnce of what happened in Vietnam. The Punisher Max: Born, where he inches closer to becoming the one man army of abomination. And then the Special Year One, 4 issue series that tells how Frank becomes the Punisher and how Billy Russo becomes Jigsaw. I grew up with the Punisher of the '80s with Microchip. I am more than happy to see they are including all of these characters in this new movie. I believe underneath what everybody's thinks of what Punisher is though only the movies, is so off the mark that it's laughable in a bad way. Man on Fire with Denzel Washington had more of a Punisher vibe to it than any of the actual movies bearing the name. I do not want to think badly already of this new Punisher movie coming out. However, with a title that screams "Welcome Back Frank" (a title from Garth Ennis's first introduction to the Punisher comic), relates to a storyline just plain silly. The Punisher character was not released by Marvel til the '80s, even though created in the '70s; but not released cause he was thought to be too violent. I still strongly imply that if anybody what's to find out what the real comic book Frank Castle/Punisher is like, to read the Punisher Max series titled "Up is down and Black is White". Beyond that, you can say whatever you want about me as a fan and my little rant. Now I'm gonna go and shut up and sit in the corner....
Aug. 22, 2007, 11:03 p.m. CST
Kathryn Bigelow directed 'Near Dark', 'Point Break' and 'Strange Days'. Bigelow is also a pretty fucking good director. She's also kinda hot... Mimi Leder directed 'The Peacemaker' with Clooney. Granted this is a list of fairly standard actioners nevertheless that's two women at least who can mix it up with the male directors - that said, 'Near Dark' was a fucking AWESOME horror film...
Aug. 22, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST
by And Nicolas Cage as Fu Manchu
Shot in nice, sunny Tampa, with comic relief roommates and fights set to music that wouldn't be caught dead in an Olive Garden. I remember theatre hopping into it after Kill Bill Vol 2. Bad Idea!!!<br><br>So I'm all for a new movie as long as the script is dark like most of the comics. Also they need to give it a nice 70s style vibe (for example, like the Director's Cut of Payback). It needs to be violent and crazy. There are already many, many movies with the same basic theme and story, they need to really cut loose to make the movie stand out in today's market.
Aug. 22, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST
Sorry Harry, On your review, I went to go see Hot Fuzz. I love Shaun of the Dead, but Hot Fuzz did suck. The liked Transformers and can't wait for the live-action G.I.Joe movie with Mark Walburg and Jason Statham.
Aug. 22, 2007, 11:11 p.m. CST
Read that shit and fucking make it. Get Garth Ennis on the fucking script, are they that fucking stupid?
Aug. 22, 2007, 11:43 p.m. CST
Search your feelings. You know this to be true.
Aug. 22, 2007, 11:45 p.m. CST
who fights for womens rights. He'll punish businessmen for the glass ceiling and deadbeats for not paying alimony.
Aug. 22, 2007, 11:48 p.m. CST
this be truer
Aug. 22, 2007, 11:51 p.m. CST
too many films are purely male fulfillment fantasies. Case and point--your beloved Superbad, a movie about date rape.
Aug. 23, 2007, 12:06 a.m. CST
Charles Bronson made a career out of making films exactly like "Punisher". Why are people expecting Shakespeare level drama and story from comic book movies, then give crap like Transformers thumbs up? Bunch of hypocrites (or in Harry's case, he's a HIPPOcrit)...
Aug. 23, 2007, 12:15 a.m. CST
I hope training with the marines won't make his loses all his fat.
Aug. 23, 2007, 1:10 a.m. CST
Aug. 23, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST
Aug. 23, 2007, 1:37 a.m. CST
Anyone play The Punisher Xbox game with Thomas Jane reading Garth Ennis' script? It was pure heaven!
Aug. 23, 2007, 2:35 a.m. CST
Saw Janes Punisher on TV and enjoyed it. Heard Green Street sux. Can't see this working without Jane specially if Jane walked! Harry you is back on opposite form again!
Aug. 23, 2007, 3:14 a.m. CST
..... or not? Wow, 2 days of the belt I have been frantically checking this site for some sort of comment on the whole Justice League movie situation, and both days I have walked away disapointed!! Come on guys I think we are pretty filled in about "King of Kong" and "Superbad", I think your running the risk of over-exposure with those! Come on get your DC geek out, you know you want to!!
Aug. 23, 2007, 3:22 a.m. CST
She looks hot in her Karate suit, she can Punish me anytime!
Aug. 23, 2007, 3:36 a.m. CST
by Steve Rogers
I absolutely detested GSH. I live in England and have witnessed football violence firsthand (no, not particpated - I am not a holligan or a West Ham supporter), and it is horrible. GS totally missed the mark for me and most English people who have seen it and Elijah Wood looked like a fucking numpty in it, wandering around with charlie Hunananamamanan (practising the worst kind of Dick Van Dyke cockney accent) singing 'I'm Forever blowing Bubbles'. Awful, awful, shitstain of a film. Hopefully her Punisher will be better.
Aug. 23, 2007, 3:50 a.m. CST
by Danger Vole
Green Street Hooligans fucking sucked.
Aug. 23, 2007, 3:50 a.m. CST
I hate to be one of those negativities fuckers in talkbacks; but that is total and utter bullshit Harry. Wood was not a fucking badass in Green Street - he was a joke. If you see somewhat realistic firm films like The Football Factory, then look at how mishandled Green Street was, its actually cringe worthy bad, not just bad. Alexander may very well turn out to be a good action director, but Green Street was one of the worst films I've ever seen and Elijah Wood was downright embarrassing in it. I understand Wood is a friend Harry, but don't write a piece if you can't be objectionable
Aug. 23, 2007, 3:54 a.m. CST
A Michael Mann Punisher movie... that'd be fucking awesome (never happen in a million years but we can but dream)
Aug. 23, 2007, 4:27 a.m. CST
Re-cut your Halloween remake and turn it into a new Punisher movie.
Aug. 23, 2007, 4:33 a.m. CST
I know; you think I'm an idiot. I don't care. I agree with W3bzpinn3r here.
Aug. 23, 2007, 4:37 a.m. CST
It's called HOOLIGANS. GREEN STREET HOOLIGANS is the US title that it was given, and that doomed it to failure. She was also the first to use Charlie Hunnam properly, with Cuaron using him to maximum effect in CHILDREN OF MEN.
Aug. 23, 2007, 4:45 a.m. CST
loved the first movie.jane is a bitch for quiting.fuck you thomas jane you cock sucker. ray is a better acter then jane.
Aug. 23, 2007, 5:14 a.m. CST
He's not dangerous looking at all and had to put on a scowl for the whole movie so we would know he was brooding. He would be more suited for Captain America, mostly because of his hero chin and chiseled good looks. He's a great actor, don't get me wrong but I felt he was wrong for the Punisher part. Plus the film sucked big time. <p> If Michael Wincott could beef up then he'd be perfect. He's got the voice that could bring the fear in to the hearts of men and the haggard dark look that could make the character come alive.
Aug. 23, 2007, 5:28 a.m. CST
That is all
Aug. 23, 2007, 5:53 a.m. CST
by Sledge Hammer
...in this project somehow for him to suck the cock of this film so heartily while simultaneously once again pissing all over the last film (a film that, while definitely inconsistent and cheaply done, was still far better than many of the movies that Harry has given a pass, or even glowing reviews for, including a lot of the other Marvel movies of the past few years). My bet is that Elijah Wood has been cast in this, maybe as Detective Soap or something. Hence just as much as he was always determined to hate the first film, pretty much right out of the gate whenever he posted about it - and which dared to comit the mortal sin of being released on the same weekend as his buddy Tarantino's Kill Bill (which, coincidentally, Harry got a free trip to the set in China during filming of...), he's decided to love this one right off the bat. And once Harry makes up his mind about whether he's going to love or hate something beforehand, it's almost always a self-fulfilling prophecy. Smells like double standards to me, but whatever. We all have our 'quirks' and biases I guess...<p>Personally I hope that the new Punisher film absolutely nails it, I love Ray Stevenson (in a strictly "that guy is kickass" manly fashion) and he's a great replacement for Jane, the potential is definitely there, but Green Street fucking sucked as a film (far worse than the Jane led Punisher film, hell it was worse than the Lungren Punisher too for that matter) so that doesn't fill me with a lot of confidence over this latest attempt. But Hell, I'll wait and see and then judge what's what...you know, the way opinions on quality, or lack thereof, are traditionally formed.
Aug. 23, 2007, 6:28 a.m. CST
...by this movie. We all know it.
Aug. 23, 2007, 6:39 a.m. CST
Yeah! More cool women directors directing badass movies. GSH was great and I want to see more of what she can do. Go Lexi!
Aug. 23, 2007, 6:52 a.m. CST
Had to get that off my chest. Harry, you're talking out your bulbous ass on this one. That fella from Rome is a god awful actor. They should just accept that Punisher will never work in a film - they've already fucked it twice. Third time's a charm? Doubt it.
Aug. 23, 2007, 7:03 a.m. CST
...the novelty of lexi alexander being a female director that they fail to see that SHE CANT DIRECT . Have you seen green street holigans with its laughable drama and mary popinsesque british accents ? Fuck this. I'll stick with the comics.
Aug. 23, 2007, 7:42 a.m. CST
I never bought him as Frank Castle. He had black hair and could scowl, that was about it. Thomas Jane as the look of a direct-to-video romantic comedy guy, not a hard as nails ex-marine vigilante.
Aug. 23, 2007, 8:02 a.m. CST
by Neo Zeed
Props to Gwai Lo, for mentioning part one's TV style cinematography. It sucked. Frankly, I don't know why people defend part one at all. It fucked with Ennis's storyline. You just can't introduce the wacky neighbors, and not commit to the full lunacy of his storyline. Also, The action was a piece of shit. I've seen better action on straight-to-video movies. Seriously. And since Hensleigh can't film a decent action scene, he involves some silly plot about gay henchman and Howard Saint's wife (who the fuck is Howard Saint anyway? Was he in the comics?). It had the impact of a bad episode of Dynasty. Walter Hill would've been the BEST choice. I just saw 48 hours on cable, and that guy knows how to make a hard R movie with a decent story and great performances. Even a bad movie like Last Man Standing had good perfomances and gun fights better than aything that came out this decade. Don't forget that he directed The Warriors, Red Heat, Trespass, Streets of Fire, I'd even throw in the poorly recieved Another 48hrs in there. However, this is the era where instead they call on newbies to direct action flicks, instead of calling on the the old pros. It makes no fucking sense. Anyway, Green Street Hooligans was no masterpiece but it's light years ahead of Hensleigh who directed NOTHING when he got Punisher. The guy was just one of the 89 writers on Armageddon, and wrote the forgettable movie The Saint, with Val Kilmer.
Aug. 23, 2007, 8:42 a.m. CST
by The Breasts of Midol Girl
Give it a rest, folks.
Aug. 23, 2007, 8:47 a.m. CST
Seriously, The Breasts of Midol Girl. What's with all the comments on how hot she is? Who gives a fuck? And way to assume that women can't direct action films or that she'll make it some sort of crazy propoganda piece. I haven't seen GSH so I can't judge her as a director, but I'm already inclined to root for her just because of all the blatant sexism being directed her way. Y'all make me sick.
Aug. 23, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST
Couldn't agree more and me and my mate said exactly the same thing when we saw Green Street. Mary fucking Poppins accents, laughably bad. I mean come on, we're supposed to believe this dude is a fucking hard bastard in one of the most notorious and dangerous football hooligan gangs in London when at any moment he could burst into song and start tap dancing with animated penguins...
Aug. 23, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST
If you thought Elijah Wood was a badass in that utter garbage Hooligan movie (why on earth Alexander thought we needed another movie on the subject after The Firm and I.D. is beyond me) then you seriously need to grow a backbone. Stevenson is great casting, but I hold out little hope for the director.
Aug. 23, 2007, 9:15 a.m. CST
Ok, Near Dark by Kathryn Bigelow was kind of cool (Due to that she was dating James Camron at the time, I'm sure he was there)but'Point Break' and 'Strange Days' sucked! Don't get me started on Mimi Leder, oh my, she's just an awful director no matter what's she's doing. Also you forgot, Mary Harron, she did American Psycho (which she totally destroyed), but she also directed The Notorious Bettie Page, which was one the best movies of 2005 (see. . . case in point. Now she does nothing but TV). And there's Mary Lambert, she did a ton of "Horror" movies including 'Pet Sematary'. . . I'll say no more. The reason why I know this, is that I wrote a report when I was in film school about female directors.
Aug. 23, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST
I mean, it was supposed to be funny, right? Why else would you cast Frodo as someone who starts beating the tar out of seasoned soccer hooligans? And if it wasn't meant to be funny, why would you have him throw punches that make MiraJeff look like Leon Spinks? Why would you have an absolutely hysterical flashback in which Frodo's brother-in-law is revealed as the "Major" but, in the flashback, he looks exactly the same, albeit with a comically bad mullet wig? Why would you cast Claire Forlani as anything other than a retarded bag lady? Why would you have a scene in which a doughy Frodo gets a tat on his girlish chest whilst smoking a cigarette? Was I not supposed to laugh at that? Come on! And why, for the love of all that is holy, would you even make a movie that makes soccer hooliganism look cool? Admirable, even. No, my friends, that was a comedy. And a darn good one at that. In fact, I'm laughing just thinking about it.
Aug. 23, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST
by Mosquito March
...until it was revealed that fucking Nick "PRISON BREAK" Santora was co-writing it with a writer from THE SHIELD (when I got into those shows last year, those are *exactly* the people I wanted to write a PUNISHER movie). Then they went and cast Ray Stevenson, whom I'm watching in ROME right now, and is knocking me the fuck out. So far, they've got the right talent for this thing, they're shooting it in NYC, and they're using characters like Jigsaw and Microchip. And, I'm willing to cut Lexi a little bit of slack since GSH was her first feature film, and was *technically* well-assembled. It was bad, but as first time features go, I've seen much, much worse - like Hensleigh's PUNISHER. This one, though, has the chance to be genuinely badass.
Aug. 23, 2007, 10:03 a.m. CST
You both forgot one major female horror director; Barbra Streisand directing herself in "The Mirror Has Two Faces." Actually, it probably qualifies as sci-fi/fantasy as well, being that we're supposed to believe that Babs is beautiful. Talk about suspension of disbelief...
Aug. 23, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST
I actually wanna see it again now, but watch it as a comedy! You failed to mention the Mary Poppins accent of the main guy which was surely the most hysterical thing of all. This weekend I'm gonna rent it, get fucking stoned and laugh my ass off.
Aug. 23, 2007, 11:34 a.m. CST
it was wonderfully underplayed.
Aug. 23, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST
It was uneven and the humor was absolutely humorless, but there were some great moments. I loved the fact they didn't just kill his family, they killed his entire fucking extended family. The fight with the Russian was also great. Oh, and use of the bow at the end. Great moments in a seriously flawed film. Certainly not the worst movie of that year.
Aug. 23, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
He just wasn't created by Stan/Jack/Steve in the original era. There have been some great interpretations in the comics (Ennis and Dillion currently). My favorite was his late 80s run by Mike Barron and Klaus Janson where he was that oxymoron: the realistic superhero. Ever since Frank Miller/Dark Knight/Watchmen-yada we've been hearing about realistic superheroes. Great stuff, certainly greater than these Punisher stories I'm talking about, but not realistic. Although the Punisher from this era occasionally interacted interestingly with the rest of the MU, the best stories were about Frank in a situation that he'd already discovered, scoped and planned his course of action. He had everything set up, equipped, contingencies, etc. Of course, things would go wrong which made it interesting. One of my favorites involved Frank's attempt to bust a Ted Bundy type out of prison because death row was just taking too long...he ended up getting a Manson doppleganger to boot! Another time, Frank posed as a substitute teacher in an inner city high school to wipe out a gang of drug dealers. He ended up using a punk in his class and a gun toting teacher as back up (he later recruited these characters as part of a band to take on the Kingpin; the punk died and the teacher decided to go back to teaching). Of course, all these stories veered into fantasy somewhat and Frank was better prepared than anybody could ever be, but that's what makes them part of the superhero genre. And even when Frank took on Dr. Doom (he couldn't take him in a fight so he tried to steal some Fabrege eggs from Latveria and ransome them to Doom in exchange for leaving him alone) or old Wolverine/X-Men enemies the cyborg Reavers, it was interesting, different and a little more in our world than say...Spidey's.
Aug. 23, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST
I think it would be sweet if they did in the style of the "Welcome Back Frank" series. It was just so hardboiled it was funny. I also remember another limited series where he killed every other character in the marvel universe. How's that for fitting in?
Aug. 23, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
Bring back Dolph. Nothing like the goats-eye view of the Dolph-sac we got in the first one.
Aug. 23, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST
"directed by a woman boohoo"
Aug. 23, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST
He's a fine actor, was great in Stander, but is way too cute for Punisher. Maybe the studio people realized that and kicked him out, which must have been painful after training so hard all that time. It's tough being an actor, sometimes they really have to scramble to make those millions.
Aug. 23, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST
What, you don't like the actor that much, Harry?
Aug. 23, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST
Say what you will about the Dolph film, but it's one of the few comic films that nailed a 4-color character perfectly.<P>I hated the street poet, but only less than I did the out of place Gosset Jr. and his more out of place partner. These, coupled with the lack of the trademark emblem, are certainly flaws that ultimately mar the Dolph film.<P>But forget all that. In the Dolph film, Castle actually *considered* whether to pursue and punish the enemy vs. saving a busload of kids. Saving a busload of KIDS! At the end when he tells the kid to put him down (more like out of his misery), that was pure Frank Castle. But most importantly, there was no Frank Castle in the Punisher. We see this when Gosset Jr is interrogating him. There was only the Punisher.<P>Meanwhile, the first thing Jane's Punisher did when he "came back" was waltz in front of a TV newscrew and announce that he was Frank Castle, alive and well. Sure, elements of the flick were lifted from more recent comics, such as the annoying tenement neighbors, but you shouldn't focus on the humanity left in a character such as the Punisher when it's the *first* fucking movie!<P>Say what you will about the made-for_TV quality of the Dolph flick, his wooden delivery, and the box office disappointment, but that first Punisher flick nailed a decent 90% of the character. Jane's Punisher would have made a better DEATH WISH "re-imagining" by comparison.<P>Can't wait to see Ray Stevenson do this with Alexander. More importantly, can't wait to see them do this right.
Aug. 23, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST
Still hard to believe that such rampant sexism still abounds today. Yes, Lexi is smoking hot. But she could probably kick all your asses. Literally. I'm impressed that she's taking on the Punisher, and she seems to be doing it right (bringing in the Marines). And whoever said Stevenson can't act, you must not have paid attention to his brilliant, nuanced performance in Rome. He's a fantastic actor and I can't wait to see him take on his role. I never saw the Thomas Jane Punisher film, because frankly (oops, no pun intended), I never bought him as the Punisher. None of those promotional shots did it for me. I agree with whoever said that he'd make a better Capt. America. This should be interesting.
Aug. 23, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST
she's pals with Frank Miller. That definitely gives her some cred.
Aug. 23, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST
Yes, he's pretty, yet still too scruffy to be Cap. Can't you picture him in the DD cowl, all stubbly?
Aug. 23, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST
Who got his ass handed to him by Frodo? That's some embarrassing shit right there. Speaking of embarrassing, I can see this flick going straight to DVD. A no-name actor, no-name director and a comic book character nobody cares about doesn't exactly scream "Blockbuster".
Aug. 23, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST
I know this because Lucas said so. Well, at least he did indirectly.<P>Clone troopers whipped the Wookies. After 20 years of additional training and tech improvements, the Ewoks bested the Stromtroopers.<P>Hence, if Wicket can whup Chewbacca, then Frodo can trounce the Juggernaut.
Aug. 23, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST
by Crimson King
Death Sentence looks and feels like more of a Punisher movie than the actual Punisher movie. I've only seen the trailers, so I don't know for sure, but still.
Aug. 23, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST
by Neo Zeed
Strange Days sucked? You have gotta be kidding me. Strange Days is better than any movie Marvel ever made. Great premise, script, performances, and hard as nails action.
Aug. 23, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST
that just cannot be. i'm sure Juggernaut would as soon make soup out off all of them. a soup with little hands and hairy feet in it. But Frank Castle would revenge them goood.
Aug. 23, 2007, 7:34 p.m. CST
Because they're doing 'lets try this again..' remakes?
Aug. 23, 2007, 9:09 p.m. CST
Three reasons this movie will suck: 1.) The script is pure shit. Thomas Janes is nobody's fool. He was willing to give another Punisher movie a chance, but only if they made Punisher like Taxi Driver/Death wish -in other words, make it what it was supposed to be. When they didn't he walked -that should be enough for all of us to agree this movie is in serious trouble script-wise. Jane has a better understanding of the material that the guys he's working for. Ridiculous! 2.)Ray Stevenson. This guy CANNOT act! I don't care about you losers who masturbate to his mumbling, barely audible ass on Rome. I've seen Rome and he's the main thing I hated about the series. Whenver he showed up he was always the worst thing on the screen. He wasn't dynamic, or inspired. He was just a big oaf, with little talent and no charisma or depth. I'm laughing now just thinking about his cockney, British accent, trying vainly to sound like an American. He would need talent to pull off a realistic-sounding American accent, but Ray ain't got any! And it says a lot about this film that he was the one chosen to try (and no doubt fail!) to fill Janes boots. Without a solid lead this shit-bomb doesn't have a prayer. Stevenson alone should have us all agreeing this flick isn't worth a fuck. 3.) It's directed by a woman--End of story. That right there turned me off this flick. I don't care if she sucked Frank Miller off every day since she was fourteen, I don't care if she knows some karate, or hangs out with marines, or if she kicked Bruce Lee's ass with her pinky -she's a woman! There is no example in all of human history of a woman understanding how to make a well-paced, well-told action story. You can get pissed that I said it, but you're fooling youself if you think this woman can pull this flick off. She can't! I can already tell this movie is on the wrong track. Change the script, change the lead (that guy who played the vilain in Running Scared would be a good choice IMHO) and for heaven's sake, FIRE that broad who thinks she's good enough to be directing this movie -fire her today!
Aug. 23, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST
i think they realized he wasnt the right actor for the role and booted 'im
Aug. 24, 2007, 1:04 a.m. CST
by Neo Zeed
He agreed to star in the first Punisher movie. A script in which Frank's in sunny Tampa, a boring plot about a gay henchman's alleged affair, and non-Punisher crap like Frank announcing on network TV that he's alive?! And much more bullshit. Who thought that shit was gonna be any good? Oh wait, Thomas Jane did. And as for Lexi being a woman, gimme a break. For the record, Marvel's shittiest films Elektra, Daredevil, and Punisher were directed by men. I'd take excellent Strange Days, Point Break, and even the mediocre Peacemaker over the countless shitty action flicks directed by men. Especially this decade. Yikes, if I see another stupid Fast and the Furious, Transporter silliness, or Cradle 2 Grave nonsense...i'm gonna vomit. Which reminds me, doesn't War with Jet Li come out this Friday? Groan.
Aug. 24, 2007, 1:45 a.m. CST
Hard to pick that one. Say it's a toss up.
Aug. 24, 2007, 3:22 a.m. CST
...it was a HELL of a lot better than Green Street (and ImFixingtoDie, it was called Green Street in the UK, not 'Hooligans'). Fecking hell, that movie was so awful. A romanticised take on football hooliganism? Elijah Wood singing the West Ham anthem in a fake cockney accent while punching the air? Oh, do fuck off. I'm not gonna base my opinion of Lexi Alexander as a director on one film, but I can't see how ANYONE could have liked GS. And for the record, Point Break was directed by a woman, ditto American Psycho.
Aug. 24, 2007, 5:01 a.m. CST
Thomas Jane owned the role of Punisher. He certainly owns you. Ray Stevenson isn't up to the job. And the first mistake they made is to not bring a strong enough script to hold on to the lead. If you don't like Jane, then that begs the question -what do you consider to be a good actor? On second thought, don't answer that.
Aug. 24, 2007, 5:07 a.m. CST
Thomas Jane's performance was not dulled by the lackluster script. I never said the first Punisher movie was anything great- it wasn't. I simply said whatever faults the first Punisher script had, this "sequel" is sure to be far worse. I waited until I found out who was making it and starring in it before I formed a conclusion. And as for Lexi Alenxander, I never said no man ever made a bad action movie, I only said no woman ever made a good one. You don't have to like that I have no faith or love for female-directed flicks, but that doesn't mean you have to drool over her either.
Aug. 24, 2007, 7:13 a.m. CST
by Sledge Hammer
Steve Dillon hasn't drawn a Punisher comic in years, and has had no part at all in the current volume's 50+ issue run. Just saying.
Aug. 24, 2007, 7:52 a.m. CST
by Jakes Nel
Also, John Travolta completely fucked up the first film.
Aug. 24, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST
by Neo Zeed
On the other hand I, Neo ZEED, think that you're a sexist idiot, who doesn't have enough evidence to decide if females suck at directing action. No one does. In fact, off the top of my head I can think of about 3 women who've directed action movies. First off is Kathyrn Bigelow who directed Strange Days (excellent Sci-fi movie) Near Dark (Cult classic) Point Break (wild but fun script, with excellent action scenes, and tight pacing). Mimi Leder who directed The Peacemaker (a servicable action flick. Certainly NOT a clusterfuck of a film. Just ok). Then there's Karyn Kusama who directed Aeon Flux (the low point, not released to critics). If you average that against the hundreds of hit and miss action flicks over time (especially during the period from Near Dark to current), the ladies are doing pretty darn well. Even though Aeon Flux was a bomb, it's still better than Cradle to Grave, Romeo Must Die, Resident Evil, Ultraviolet, Tokyo Drift, Torque, and much more. Ultraviolet should ban the male race from EVER directing action flicks, if we're going by your gender rules. However, that's not my beef. I'm certainly not saying that Lexi is the next coming of James Cameron or Walter Hill (I'm not even saying she's the next coming of Karyn Kusama.) She ain't my girlfriend, (nor am I hers ;). I'm not saying that having either a cock or pussy gives you magical powers to direct action movies. You're the guy who said, "There is no example in all of human history of a woman understanding how to make a well-paced, well-told action story." I'm telling you 1. That's not true. 2. There aren't enough women making action films to even make that kinda comparison. Three directors?! You're against the female race from directing action flicks, over 3 directors. Each of whom have less than a handful of directing credits? None of which is at level with the worst action flick directed by a man? You've gotta be shitting me. You can't even find any women directors in straight-to-video, to fill the divide.
Aug. 24, 2007, 9:13 a.m. CST
he was great in Stander, and put in a good effort in Punisher, but is just to young, small & cute to look anything like Frank Castle. And he sure went with a lousy script, which makes it ridiculous to claim he left for script reasons. And bullshit Titus Pullo cant act, the guy is amazing and a much better fit here.
Aug. 24, 2007, 9:22 a.m. CST
by Spykid the 13th
The Punisher will have feelings. There WILL be a love interest. The scriptwriters will talk about how they tried to get "inside Frank's head to figure out what really makes him tick." There will be not one outright "kill" scene in the whole movie, but rather a bunch of aerobatic gunbattles a la SO many movies currently being made. There will be a scene where the Punisher will torture someone to get info, and the story will smack lightly of 24. The main bad guy will be portrayed as a businessman from Europe or California, or a crazed steely-eyed "equal" of Frank. During the opening sequence, the Punisher will dispatch random thugs with amazing skill, and then he'll shoot and miss (or not use his guns at all) when faced with the actual main opponents. Frank will be protecting someone in the story. At no point in the story will anyone refer to him as "The Punisher." They will call him "Castle" or "that vigilante." There won't be too much of him walking around with the skull on his chest. There will be a flashback that will make Frank wake up in a sweat while backlit from the side in profile to the sounds of New York, followed by a caption reading NEW YORK PRESENT DAY or just NEW YORK. During the end sequence, Frank will be without his weapons until the crucial final moments, and even then he will not actually kill the villain, but the villain will die in some other way (in a fiery explosion, most likely, or falling down an elevator shaft or from a tall building). There will be a body count of about 15-17, but very few of them will be actually killed by the Punisher. If Lexi and Co. actually read this list and eliminated all the above from the film, it would be a really good place to start.
Aug. 24, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST
by Orbots Commander
I never thought that the Punisher was all that great of a character. I get why some like him, but Frank Castle is just a warmed over Dirty Harry/Mack Bolan creation. He's pretty one-note, and once you get past his whole blood and guts need for revenge that you can cover in one movie, where do you go from there? The Punisher does not have multi-film franchise potential. The only reason Dirty Harry worked for as many movies as he did was due in no small part to Clint Eastwood's screen presence and charisma.
Aug. 24, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST
Only if the new Kevin Bacon movie and Jodie Foster revenge movies make as much money as i think they will. People want movies where normal people are sick and tired of the crime and bullshit and go ape crazy on the criminals. I love movies like DeathWish,and BoonDock Saints which I just watched for the first time about two months ago,and I have always been a fan of the Punisher comics. We needs a gritty 70's style hard R revenge flick where people can get and cheer a guy like Frank Castle and at the same time say maybe he's taking it too far. I want to see Punisher take on Jigsaw and of course Jigsaw should be played by Mickey Rourke.
Aug. 24, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST
I'm sure Stevenson has given you lots of swag to boost him, but he will still suck as Castle, he certainly sucked ass in Rome. A FAR better choice would be Johnny Messner, the gangster-villain from Running Scared. He has ALL the tools needed to be Castle. He might even be good enough for you, thgouh if you think Ray Stevenson can act then there's no way you could be pleased. Messner is 37, he combines menace with street smarts, and he's built like a Mack truck. But here's the best part --he can ACT! He's not clumsy and oafish like Stevenson, he's sharp and able. Imagine that.
Aug. 24, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST
We can write off the Punisher for the next few years. By the time they're ready to give it another go, say in five or so years my vote is for Johnny Messner.