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FREDDY VS. JASON script review by Harry

Hey all you readers out there, I’ve got some good friggin’ news for once about FREDDY VS. JASON...

I’ve just finished reading the current draft of the script, sent in from my spy on the front line of New Line.... Codename Harry Caul. Mr Caul likes to listen in on things and wanted to hear what I thought of this draft of FREDDY VS. JASON.... Well... I’m gonna tell him...

The current writers are Jonathan Aibel and Glenn Berger... and folks... They did a really great job with a script that could have sucked as bad as the previous drafts I’ve seen. God, I remember the one that ended with the Boxing match between Jason and Freddy... Ugh...

Ok... You folks remember NEW NIGHTMARE? Wes Craven’s last take on the Freddy world? Sure you do. Well... In a way this sort of takes a wink and a nod from there.

This isn’t set in the universe of Elm Street or Camp Crystal Lake. This film is set in OUR universe. I’m gonna give you just a teensy bitsy overview of the plotline, just so you can follow my train of thought on this flick...

The film begins with two teenagers in the mood for love, one’s been drinking a bit too much... a gal named Lizzy. Her boyfriend Jason puts her down to sleep, kisses her on the forehead... thinks about ravishing her... but then goes away.

For me, this is where the film made it’s first wonderful turn. Lizzy is asleep, she wakes up, there’s a killer, yadda yadda... terror... screams... she survives what follows. Now the killer happens to be a serial killer that dresses up like Freddy Krueger. Now Lizzy has nightmares involving the ‘real’ Freddy Krueger... but strangely they always end up at Camp Crystal Lake, and always have Jason Vorhees (notice the same first name as her boyfriend) as her savior just in the nick of time.

Anyway, I’m not gonna get into going real far into the plot, which is actually very very fun, because... well it ought to unroll on screen... but I am going to go into why I liked it so much.

First off.... after digesting this script for... ohhhh the 40 minutes or so after I’ve read it, I’ve come to the conclusion that it might actually be the best film involving either character.

Aibel & Berger (the screenwriters remember?) have constructed a deliciously convoluted series of dreams within dreams or more aptly put nightmares within nightmares... so much so that by the end of the script... when what happens happens... I’m not entirely sure if this isn’t all the product of Lizzy’s first dream when her boyfriend put her down. There is no ‘WAKE UP’ though, so I don’t know if by the end of the film we are in a dream or reality and I like that a helluva lot.

Lizzy has a whole buncha friends, and if New Line and director Rob Bottin get a cast of great teens to fill this film with, they’ll have a fantasticly fun filled film frothing upon our screens.

This is Hard “R”, but deliciously surreal. In wet-effects god Rob Bottin’s hands, this film has real fun potential. Lizzy’s friends are a great set of real characters to react to the insanity that Bottin will create.

I was laughing my ass off while reading this script because... while it isn’t silly, it just sends out this fun vibe. The teenagers should be lighthearted people that like to be scared, get giggly when they are scared... just like us when we go to see FRIDAY THE 13TH and NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET movies.

These characters are scared but in an almost gleeful way.

Ok... show of hands.... How many of you saw one of these two franchises when you were a kid and had serious nightmares about the characters? I know for a fact my little sister did. I used to put on my Freddy mask, fedora and plastic gloved hand and chase her around as she screamed like Fay Wray.

This film does that to ya. The scares aren’t ‘Genuine Terror’ but more like a ‘Wheeeeeeeee we’re hahahahahahaha scared hahahahahahaha’ Get it?

It doesn’t necessarily move the mythology of either character forward (thank God), but instead plays with our own confused convoluted memories of the two series.

Imagine you got real drunk after a NIGHTMARE and FRIDAY THE 13th Halloween marathon. Imagine your group of friends and you spent all night in a giggly fun fright filled night of gags and mass quantities of Jim Beam, Jack Daniels and Guinness Stout. Imagine you go to sleep (aka pass out) and dream of what happened in the waking world, but in a weird psychedelic blendered surreality that puts a grin on your face, and then the next day you wake up to find the unconcious bodies of all your friends passed out in various pools of puke and spilt beer and liquior. You wake em up... tell em how Freddy killed Joanne and Jason killed Theodore and Ralph tried desperately to kill Jason with a toilet plunger but Jason mounted him on a rack of deer antlers as Ralph pissed in his pants creating a backlit by the fireplace single stream yellowy waterfall. Everyone starts laughing and for the rest of your lives... it becomes the in-joke that outsiders never get!

That’s what this script created. A great fun-filled movie that would get you nervously laughing, jumping here and there and then laughing again.

You guys seen Rob Bottin on THE THING dvd documentary? Ya see how he gets all geeky about all the different wet effects? Well.... shit, he’d just be a joy on this set. Man... Wouldn’t it just rock to be killed by Jason or Freddy in a movie? That’d be just about the coolest fucking thing in the world.... aside from being an Orc in LORD OF THE RINGS or some lightsaber victim in a STAR WARS movie.

I tell ya folks... ol Harry Caul over at New Line wanted to know what I think.... Finance the shit out of this film.... Give Bottin every possible cent to make this “the funnest (yes I know that’s not a word) horror script I’ve ever read”. Because that is sure as hell what a FREDDY VS. JASON script is supposed to do.

ALIEN VS. PREDATOR on the otherhand should be a kickass action film.

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  • April 6, 1999, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Sounds Kinda Promising

    by Cyrus

    Hmm... well I can see why it should be funny and it has potential in that way. But it better not turn into another Scream clone with the trendy kids making cracks all the time about cliches and stuff. I think the humor should be dark, like what each movie had... like when Jason would just walk after some dude on a motorcycle and suddenly catch up with him and kill him in some incredibly vicious manner. That's funny in a really sick way... I hope it's like that... if that makes any sense... Script sounds alot better than some corny one with uh, a boxing match... What the...

  • April 6, 1999, 2:47 a.m. CST


    by redviking

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  • April 6, 1999, 2:53 a.m. CST

    It's Funny like this...

    by Harry Knowles

    One character watches as his best friend gets his head cut off by Jason Vorhees, begins smiling to himself.... Runs back to the 'cabin' where 3 girls are being attacked by a serial killer dressed like Freddy Krueger announcing how blah blah's boyfriend had his heart ripped out, and whatshisname had his head lobbed out by Jason Vorhees, meanwhile serial killer is taking death swipes at him, Jason shows up, slashes someone across the middriff with a machete... blood spraying everywhere... everyone screaming... one or two laughing, Freddy (serial killer) angry cause he wanted to kill that person, Jason coming after him.... he gets scared... It feels like a Sam Raimi EVIL DEAD movie on mescaline.

  • April 6, 1999, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Okay, so now what...

    by Evil Dead

    I read the Millenium Massacre script that was supposed to be the Freddy Vs. Jason movie from way back when. Sure it was terrible(it reeked from post 80's horror), but it had one thing going for it: no teens! Don't get me wrong I'm 19 myself and I cringe at the way my generation is portrayed on celluliod. The best way we are characterized is by being "wise cracking smartasses that fall victim to our own ironic observations" or "Kevin Williamson's Children." The last "Teen New Wave" film I seen was H20 only because Jamie Lee returned. I'm a fan of Scream 1 and 2, however I despise ever other film that they spawned(with the exception of Bride of Chucky, this was the one movie that laughed at this genre). The fact of the matter is that nobody can do a descent job of creating a good teen character. By that I mean a person that all ages can relate to and not just the target audience. Don't let me get started on how these movies are also not scary. Getting back to Jason and Freddy. The original idea was interesting and took place after "Nightmare 5" and "Jason Goes to Hell." The surviving characters return from those movies and in a nutshell team up to take out the 2 beloved "heroes." While I did not like the script, I did like that it didn't further complicate things by debunking the earlier movies(true, the sript forgets Freddy's Dead, but so did New Nightmare) like H20 does and the Friday sequels did. The characters are people who had real problems and weren't spouting cool dialogue that would go out of style in a year or two. Plus Freddy and Jason were really Freddy and Jason. Jason was back to being a stalking juggernaut and Freddy was lurking in everyone's mind. That is something that this new script seems to be forgetting. So what if the teens are funny and are "really cool." To me spouting funny lines is a cheap way to get the audience to like the character. In Scream I didn't really like Randy, but I liked Stu(Matthew Lillard) because he was genuinely funny and creepy(the signs of a good performance). It was Lillards mannerisms and overall characterisation that I liked. That was a good teen character. Even if you hate him, he must be good to provoke some kind of response. Can you name any other character from any of these so called horror movies that were really good? Urban Legend(you know the characters blow when people refer to them as "the Noxima girl", or "the asshole from Dawson's Creek"), Disturbing Behavior(please, everyone refers to this as "the one with Katie Holmes in it"), I Know... and I Still Know...(Too many things have been said about these that there are no more original jokes. The mere mention of half the title brings up three repsonses: Breats or Jokes or Breast Jokes), The Faculty(Sorry Harry, but man this movie was okay. Just okay. Even you had to admit it's place in the this festival) and not to mention the other crap teen films coming out(Cruel Sarah Michelle Teases, She's All Shit, 10 Things You'd Rather be Doing Then Watch This...). My point is that this Freddy and Jason movie seems to just be aimed at the new teen audience and not the ADULTS who are now grown up and grew up watching these movies. I was three years old when I watched Friday the 13th and Star Wars back to back. Now you're telling me that athis movie is catered to the asses who talk through a whole movie and would rather screw in the theatre then watch what they paid for? No wonder no one can write good teen characters, because the target audience does not even care about what they watch!!!!!!

  • April 6, 1999, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Re: What Evildead Said...

    by Harry Knowles

    I think you are really kind of missing the point here. What were both the Freddy and the Jason movies about? Teenagers. But they were almost always those dumb 'movie' teenagers that you could give a rats ass about. When doing a Freddy Vs Jason movie... to not have teenagers, would kinda be like having a Scooby Doo movie without Velma, Daphne or Fred. HOWEVER, this time out the teenagers are really really fun, and not in a pop culture referencing library sort of way. They are fun in how they react to the 'horrors' around them. I mean... people are getting cleaved in half, heads are flying, hearts are ripped out and thrown through the air.... It's got shitloads of real life gore, but it's how these people react to it that is sooooo fun. It ain't, see horror, run/scream... because some of these kids think its all a dream so fuck it, let's have fun with this... UNTIL THEY ARE DEAD! And we never really know whether any of them died because we don't know if what we've seen is a dream or real, and if in OUR UNIVERSE, if you dream your death you die or not. MEANWHILE, it's set both at the neighborhood and at the camp by the lake... at least in a dreamy sense. It's literally a balls to the wall, turning up of the insanity... combination of both series. It is not really part of the Williamson run of things in my opinion cause at least at the script stage it's much more fun than those films. (and Yes I am including THE FACULTY in that group, cause this is more fun) But hey... I'm gonna pass this script to Tom Joad, Peter Blood, Quint and Moriarty (all of which have massive and extensive histories with the Elm Street and Crystal Lake series... So you'll see more reports from other people over the coming two weeks or so....

  • April 6, 1999, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the clarification

    by Evil Dead

    I got what you were saying. The more I pictured it I thought that yeah this could be done well. My rant was sort of directed to how New Line would market and package this film. I trust New Line though after seeing "Blade" and "The Corrupter" by sticking by the filmmaker. This script seems like the unconventional twist that they are known for doing(Dark City was a pretty ballsy investment, a movie for which without The Matrix may not have been made). Hey as long as the teens in the movie get killed it can't be all that bad, right?

  • April 6, 1999, 7:04 a.m. CST


    by jvoorhees

    Hey Harry, thanks for posting the review. Thanks also for not telling too much about the script. I know you can't sit around answering questions all day, but I just have a couple general questions. Are the characters the evil characters we've grown to love? IN other words, did they screw with Jason and dress them the same, but make them act totally different? It sounds like Jason is up to his old act ripping apart people (wahoo!) Also, THE BIG QUESTION, is the battle between Freddy and Jason worth the wait??? I agree with you, removing teens from this is a HUGE mistake. The movies have always been about teens in perile. I hope they don't decide to make the whole movie a big dream that never happened. That always makes me feel, Why bother watching the damn thing if it never happened. Then they'll make a sequel, "Freddy vs Jason.. for real this time." I think the movie can be fun and still hold true to both series. They just can't screw with the mythologies too much. They're NOT going to win over millions of new fans with this. MAKE THE HORROR FANS OF BOTH SERIES HAPPY!! Every series tries to eventually make everybody happy, and then NOBODY is happy. H20 did a great job of bringing Michael Myers into the 90's. Freddy and Jason should make an even easier transition. Thanks harry!

  • April 6, 1999, 7:27 a.m. CST

    But do they fight???

    by Thunderball

    Harry, what you describe sounds real cool but the one thing you don't mention they fight? Be a bummer if they just do tag team scaring and slicing. And hopefully someone is the victor, it'd be a copout if it's a tie!

  • April 6, 1999, 7:43 a.m. CST

    "Fun" Horror Movies

    by Gatsby

    Is anyone out there besides me sick of the so-called "Fun" horror movie? No offense Harry, but I'm really tired of horror movies that are witty, post-modern, whatever. H2O was that, and I locved it, but enough already. I don't want to see this movie and be reminded of the nightmares I had when I was twelve--I want some New Frickin' Nightmares!!! And I want some shit that will scare the crap out of my little brothers just like the original Fri. 13 and Elm Street did to me. Anyone agree?

  • April 6, 1999, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Re:fun horror

    by jvoorhees

    I agree that horror movies are starting to be TOO FUN. I think they can get better writers, better actors, and make damn scary movies. I think the filmmakers of Freddy vs Jason need to watch the entire series of both characters (It will be painful at times!! Friday 5 and 8, Nightmares 2, 5, 6...UGH. I think I'd rather have my eyes gouged out than watch Freddy's Dead again. Remember the video game scene???). If they don't like the movies, they shouldn't make this movie. I think horror movies can be fun. I love a great chase scene where the herione fights back. That's fun. Freddy cracking jokes every minute is NOT FUN. Being scared is FUN. Laughing through most of the movie is a comedy, not a horror film. I'm concerned with the characters in Freddy vs Jason laughing all the time. If they're laughing, why would anybody be scared or on the edge of their seat? Imagine if Sally laughed through the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Watch how serious Friday 1,2 and 4 are, or Elm street 1, 3 and 7. They should keep that tone. They can have a little fun, but don't get carried away. DON'T REINVENT EITHER SERIES NEW LINE, You will pay at the box office. New Nightmare was a very good film, but look at the box office receipts. Jason Goes to Hell was a fun idea, but look at the box office receipts when Friday fans barely got to see Jason in his hockey mask. If fans love this movie, most will see it at least twice. But a Meryl Streep fan isn't going to say, "let's skip Meryl's new film, because I hear they reinvented the friday and elm street movies". Jason has killed over 150 innocent people on screen, DON'T MAKE HIM SAVE ANYBODY NOW! We have tons of stand up comedians, WE DON'T NEED A BURNT CHILD MOLESTER WITH KNIVES AS FINGERS. AND PLEASE SPARE US "IT WAS ALL A DREAM" SCENARIO.

  • April 6, 1999, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Once again: The Faculty

    by BlinkBoy

    I'm not sure whether to trust you, Harry old boy, especially when it comes to this genre after seeing "The Faculty", a movie you loved. It was shit. It was beyond shit. It was sooo horrible. I think I'll have to wait for the finished project of this flick before getting an opinion. Also, yeah, what *did* happen to the ultra-cool James Robinson on this project??

  • April 6, 1999, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Re: Gatsby, and why I'm not at all excited about this

    by Jimmer72

    To Gatsby's take on "fun" horror movies, I wholeheartedly agree. I've been waiting for a really frightening horror movie for YEARS. I'm more excited about THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT than I could ever be about the umpteenth version of Freddy/Jason. Are people so starved that they're genuinely worked-up in seeing this? Folks, this isn't ROSEMARY'S BABY VS. THE EXORCIST; Freddy and Jason come from shit films! Even the first chapters of both series are only moderately creepy, and totally devoid of any real imagination or talent. For my money, the last, best horror films were THE THING and POLTERGEIST--both from 1982!!! JACOB'S LADDER came close, and SILENCE OF THE LAMBS was really just a psychological thriller, not a real horror film (when I say horror, I mean with a supernatural bent). My gut reaction is that FREDDY VS. JASON will open big, but quickly fade away, and probably rightfully so. Give us something new! And give poor Robert Englund a new job! (And I don't mean a "V" movie.)

  • April 6, 1999, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Reality vs. a Dream

    by PDaddy

    In general, I think Harry's description sounds promising. However, what's up with not knowing whether everything you've just seen is real or not. For one, it's been done before (and done well) in Total Recall. In TR, they give you hints throughout the movie that could go either way. It sophisticatedly lets the viewer decide based on the evidence whether the whole movie was an implanted "dream" or really happened to the character. My question is this: how does the script treat the whole reality vs. dream concept? The reason I'm so worried about it is that I feel this kind of thing can easily fall into lameness - the audience can get a sense that they've been cheated, that everything they've just seen is a bullshit dream. A lot of people felt this way about The Devil's Advocate - that they had been cheated out of seeing anything that "really" happened. So, in short, I just wanna know - do they do this aspect of the script right?

  • April 6, 1999, 8:42 a.m. CST


    by jvoorhees

    A Nightmare on Elm street void of originality???? It's one of the most original horror movies made. I'm a fan of both series. Freddy vs Jason is for fans like me. It is NOT for you. If you didn't like either series, why even bother posting here? I agree that there needs to be more original horror movies. But, like it or not, there are many people who want to see this. You don't need to understand why. When filmmakers try to make a movie for non fans, the movie is a mess and nobody likes it. They shouldn't go overboard trying to make somebody happy who doesn't like Nightmares or Fridays

  • April 6, 1999, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Fun horror vs.real horror

    by Lloyd Dobler

    Like there is different kinds of comedies, there are also different kinds of horror movies. There are fun horror movies, (Usually not scary, but gory, and it is a blast to watch with a couple of buddies, and just rip on.) There are scary movies (Movies that give you a scare, but can also be fun in there own right. Scream would fall under this catagory. Come on admit the first time you saw that, you didn't get freaked out once or twice.) And then there is real HORROR. (Films whose soul purpose is to scare the living shit out of you. Excorcist, poltergiest, and the upcoming Blair Witch Project.) Personally I love them all, I love to make fun of fun horror movies, almost as much as to be scared by them. So I say, bring Freddy vs. Jason on, Baby. Should be fun.

  • April 6, 1999, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Bring back Corey Feldman and Heather Langenkamp

    by Stevemeister

    One of the rumors I've heard recently was that the character of Tommy Jarvis may be brought back, since he is the only one who really understood Jason, had been haunted by him through 3 of the 9 films, and had killed him twice (not counting the pseudo-Jason in #5). Bringing back Corey Feldman to reprise the role would be the ultimate honor to the series. They also should bring back Heather Langenkamp as Nancy Thompson, since she's the only one who understands Freddy, and battled him through 3 of the 7 films. Sure, Nancy died in #3, but that could be explained as a dream itself. They should definitely NOT bring back characters from Freddy #5 and Jason #9, as NOBODY remembers them.

  • April 6, 1999, 9:32 a.m. CST

    come on...

    by angel

    'freddy vs jason' is a dumb dumb idea. period. this kind of stupid cross-poliination is the final desperate attempt to squeeze whatever commerciality is left from a dead about 'freddy vs godzilla'? or 'hannibal meets jason'? and kids, 'aliens vs predator' is also a dumb, dumb, dumb idea. go read the dumb script for yourselves. what this does is to TRIVIALIZE these things until they are lifeless shells. there are good stories untold in the 'alien' universe, and having them go jaw-to-jaw with predator ain't one of them. can i say this again? DUMB.

  • April 6, 1999, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Freddy vs Jason: what happened to the surviving characters from

    by mckracken

    Harrys script review reveals nothing of returning characters that didnt die in the two series. Harry was Tommy in the script??? was the psychic girl (from F13th:part 7) in it? What about the surviving characters from Nightmare? (its been so long dont ask me to spout names) This movie has some potential, but I'm still holding my breath. Jason Vorhees seemed to have sagged a bit ever since he got struck by lightning in the 6th movie (and lets dismiss part 5) Harry when you say "serial killer dressed as Freddy" I start to worry, will Robert Englund be playing that part as "Freddy" or as a Freddy imitator, or as himself as the actor playing Freddy? Another thing Harry didnt even touch on is: will this movie shown them fighting in HELL on the Elm St. or at Camp Crystal Lake? All along, I've waited for the big brawl in Hell with Satan serving as the announcer/ringmaster mediator with big overblown type special effects **IN HELL**....a movie with dreams inside dreams inside nightmares wouldnt be good if it didnt have some sort of payoff at the end, even if its 1)seeing the slashed up bodies(of the characters that died in the movie) in their beds (implying that they WERE dreaming, but an unseen presence had really killed them while they were dreaming); or 2)having the surviving victims wake up only to face Jason Vorhees in real life; or 3)cut back and forth from dream to reality every time somebody gets sliced in the dream, to show that same slice appearing spontaniously on their body from out of nowhere(the unseen force). :O) -McK

  • April 6, 1999, 10:20 a.m. CST

    All You Anti-Horror People Suck- Part 3 The Final Terror (workin

    by Vincent Vega

    OK, Harry pretty much summed up what my theory has been all along, horror is FUNNY, in a scary kind of way. I love Friday The 13th and all of its sequels, in fact, Jason Vorhees is my second favorite killer, second only to Michael Myers, I'm currently making the sequel rounds, I'd watched the first one some years ago, I own it, but had never seen a sequel, then decided last week to go back for the rest, I had never seen this so called 'grown up' Jason until last Wensday. Now I'm on Part 5: A New Begining. Jason kicks ass. Some things I found to be off about the movies though, are, where'd he get the Michael Myers' stlye jump suit? Sears? If he was buried in it, why was it so freakin' clean. How did Corey Feldman go from 12 to like 22 in a one year period? But I suppose you need to understand, this is a horror sequel so everything doesn't exactly match up, the best examples of this are Halloween H20 in which they repeatedly say Michael Has been lost for 20 years when we all know damn well he's been back every freakin' Halloween. And the similarities between H20 and F13TH Part 5 are so astounding it'd be insnae to try and go into them here, so I'll list just the main thing: Both The older Tommy and the older Lorie think they see there killer when they don't. See both movies back to back and you'll be amazed, both those movies are like Halloween 6: The Curse OF Micheal Myers, in which an older Tommy Doyle has to face Michael. But back on topic, Jason kicks ass end of story. Now on to Freddy, when I saw the original Nightmare I was blown away, It rocked, Freddy was dangerous with a capital D, he's unkillable, he can be anywhere at any time, he can appear whenever he wants, whereever he wants. Now I have a problem with these sequels though: all the even numbered Nightmare's blow chunks. Seriously. I think it was done on purpose. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this would be sequel number 8 for Freddy right? Damn, I hope the Jason add-on stops the badness (yes I know I just said badness). Now here's my size up of the two fighters: Jason's got the strength by far. He could bench 23 Freddies easy. But Freddy's got the arm length, considering he can stretch it as far as he wants. Jason's main weapon is a sword/machete something like that. And he actually moves somewhat quicker than most horror killers. Freddy's got psyche to smack you with, he gets inside your head, but considering Jason's a fucked up pubot anyhow I don't think that matters. So, it should be a good fight, but in the end, Jason Vorhees will kill Freddy's pansy ass. That said, here are some other vs. Movies I'd like to see: The Hook Guy fron I Still Know vs. leatherface (I choose Leatherface so we assure that shithead hook guy'll definitly die) Michael Myers vs. Ghostface, Leprechaun vs. that kid from 'Prom Night', and finally Grandpa from TXChainsaw vs. that hooded girl fron Urban Legend. Thanks you for your time.

  • April 6, 1999, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Franchise Films

    by Lame Meyers

    I have to admit I am a tad weary about this new Jason/Freddy film. I read one script, and it involved some cop following a cult, and it was just all to shit. Real bad, BAD script. You mentioned it at the end of your post Harry, have you heard anything regarding Alien vs. Predator? If any movie franchise should be combined, I would think that those two films would be the ones to do it. Do you think that movie will ever be made? It just seems that this new Jason/Freddy film could mark a new trend Hollywood can drive into the ground. Just imagine the shit Hollywood could release: Barney vs Godzilla, Pinhead vs Micheal Meyers, or even worse, another Batman movie

  • April 6, 1999, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Blue Sky On Mars Part 2

    by Ranger1138

    I agree with PDaddy. I do not belive that the concept of the dream/reality can be done well throught the whole movie. I also agree with an above comment about the audience being cheated. Two strong recent points strengthen this belief. One: Movies like the Devil's Adv. and The Matrix have started the trend of real vs. unreal all over again. My god just look at that crappy 13th floor film. Now that this trend is in full swing again I don't think the crowds are going to be as willing to go alnog with it. Two: No matter how good you pitch this Harry...I am afraid that casting will kill this project. Very few teenage actors are going to be up to the tasks of what you have described. Oh yeah, there has to be the cute singing star in there sell the eventual soundtrack that always comes with one of these things. No. I think that this has way to many obsticles in it's way to be in that Evild Dead/Bruce Campbell world of cool. I marvel at your enthusiasm though. Damm...I am so tired of being negative when posting these days but look at what we have to work with.

  • April 6, 1999, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Who is Lane Myers?

    by M. Doonesbury

    This is my first post and I can't believe the only thing I will say is, Who is Lane Myers? I'd like to know a little about the guy who has an opinion on everything.

  • April 6, 1999, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Aibel & Berger: the "King of the Hill" writers?

    by peltzer

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Jonathan Aibel and Glenn Berger two of the writers on "King of the Hill"? I think I read one of their brilliantly-written episodes for the series several months ago ("Peggy the Boggle Champ"). I think they're a very smart choice to provide a hip, funny horror flick.

  • April 6, 1999, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Bring back Jason alone

    by davey

    I grew up with the Friday the 13th movies and I love'em. To this day Jason haunts my dreams. Its pretty fucked up to still be chased by Jason when you're 28. Jason and Freddy is a fun idea, and that's all it will ever be. If this movie gets made it will be a novelty that you expreience for 90 minutes and that's it. You'll walk out of the theater feeling cheated, no matter how fun, gory, or scary it might be. For some that may be just what they want. All the power to them, its a free country. But I don't want to go into the Jason and Freddie souvenir shop just to see these two characters side by side. Its as silly as teaming up Dracula and Frankenstien (even worse if you throw in the Wolf man) and it reeks of studio drool looking to satiate all of our appetites with mediocre crap. Bring back Jason in his own movie, continue the series up to Part 13 like they said they would all those years ago and that'll be it. Then we can collect them all in a nice packaging box to sit on our shelves and enjoy whenever we want. But make it worth the money. H2O was kick ass. Worth seeing a few times, and even including it in the Carpenter series. Jason and Freddy together? I'll pass.

  • April 6, 1999, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Bring back Jason alone

    by davey

    I grew up with the Friday the 13th movies and I love'em. To this day Jason haunts my dreams. Its pretty fucked up to still be chased by Jason when you're 28. Jason and Freddy is a fun idea, and that's all it will ever be. If this movie gets made it will be a novelty that you expreience for 90 minutes and that's it. You'll walk out of the theater feeling cheated, no matter how fun, gory, or scary it might be. For some that may be just what they want. All the power to them, its a free country. But I don't want to go into the Jason and Freddie souvenir shop just to see these two characters side by side. Its as silly as teaming up Dracula and Frankenstien (even worse if you throw in the Wolf man) and it reeks of studio drool looking to satiate all of our appetites with mediocre crap. Bring back Jason in his own movie, continue the series up to Part 13 like they said they would all those years ago and that'll be it. Then we can collect them all in a nice packaging box to sit on our shelves and enjoy whenever we want. But make it worth the money. H2O was kick ass. Worth seeing a few times, and even including it in the Carpenter series. Jason and Freddy together? I'll pass.

  • April 6, 1999, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Fun horror sounds good to me in this case.

    by lynnbracken

    With these particular anti-heros - I think fun is pretty much the only way to go. While they engage in different styles of slaughter (Freddy messes with reality and Jason's just a mega-slasher) it would be fun to see them lock horns, so to speak. Fun teenagers would be the glue to hold it together. I didn't see that Jason in New York thing. Was that any good? The premise looked hysterical.

  • April 6, 1999, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Lane Myers and Freddy vs Jason

    by Fawlty

    So Lanye Myers is still around. Amazing, considering he said he'd stop posting in Talkback. But hey, the people who say they'll stop always come back. Dumbasses, why can't they make up their minds and stick to their decision? Nobody will miss them anyway. Anywho... I think Freddy vs Jason, according to what Harry wrote, has the right tone for this kind of movie. It is not meant to be taken seriously, it's not even meant to be scary. OK, the first "Elm Street" was actually scary, but none of the "Friday" movies were. I'm not sure exactly WHAT they were meant to be, but I liked them (especially number 4 and 6). I'd love a movie with both Freddy and Jason, especially if it's as surreal as Horry's review of the script suggests. Peace.

  • April 6, 1999, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Gut Reaction !

    by RobinP

  • April 6, 1999, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Gut Reaction !

    by RobinP

    DON'T DO IT !!!!! History shows us that when two good franchises join up......the result is generally pretty dire. Universal.......remember how Frankenstein (well, the monster) met the Wolfman ? Then they both met Dracula in each other's houses, before all finally meeting Abbot and Costello ? Remember when King Kong met Godzilla ? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaah, either let my heroes rest in piece after their long and fruitful careers, or resurrect them in new and revived individual and seperate franchises. However, if they absolutely, totally MUST do this.......I think Rob Bottin is the best man for the job !!!!

  • April 6, 1999, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Something I'd like to see

    by Kane

    How about Ewoks vs. Predator. Man oh man. I'd shell out some cake for that one. "Oh my god, they killed Wicket!"

  • April 6, 1999, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Like "Crisis on Infinite Earths"

    by DeeJay

    I view crossover movies as logical progressions in the development of genre characters. When I read "Crisis on Infinite Earths" some years ago, the series indirectly exposed the absurdity of big time characters who exist in the same (or sometimes a parallel) universe, yet never meet one another. I agree that Freddy vs. Jason can possibly be done well (and I think that the "Aliens vs. Predator" comic books serve as an example). My only hope is that the teen characters in this movie are not as obnoxious as the ones in "Urban Legend". To me, one of the biggest problems in that film was not that you did or did not want the characters to die. It was the fact that they were such pains in the behind, that you really didn't care one way or the other...

  • April 6, 1999, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Hope it's good.

    by W. Leach

    This draft sounds promising. I hope it doesn't turn into another BRIDE OF CHUCKEY. I SO wanted to like this flick. I heard how it was funny, how it was the best of the series, blah blah blah. Unfortunately, I didn't find the film all that funny (the one scene where I laughed was when that dude got creamed by the eighteen-wheeler; didn't expect THAT). The rest of the film was just an underwritten hack job, like the other three. Nothing special. I'm not really a fan of the FRIDAY/NIGHTMARE films, either, but I've heard about a Freddy vs. Jason film since I was in eighth grade way back in 1989! Ten years, and I'm still kinda curious, though. With the right script and right direction, this could be an interesting horror pic (although I thought that about ol' BRIDE OF CHUCKEY too ...)

  • April 6, 1999, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Movies -vs- Movies and who is Lane Myers?

    by mckracken

    thats funny quentin and all this time I thought Lane Myers was that John Cusack guy that skiied the K-12 in "Better off Dead" (SEQUEL!! SEQUEL!!) but Lane I disagree with your earlier post...Warner Brothers should stop now since they have achieved perfection with Batman and Robin. I mean, really? Why make another? it was perfect! :O)my pick:"Veggie-Tales vs Tele-tubbies vs Predator vs Aliens vs Graboids (from Tremors) vs Godzilla" (the TOHO one). I have always wanted to make "the perfect" Friday the 13th movie but since that is different for everybody it would be damn near impossible. "Chucky vs Zuni Warrior fetish doll" another crossover! "Phirana vs Jaws"??? STAR TREK vs STAR WARS vs Battlestar Galactica vs Buck Rogers vs Flash Gordon (with Sam J Jones and Gil Gerard)!!! Lane Myers please dont rape me ok?

  • April 6, 1999, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Scary movies dont exist

    by Blok Narpin

    A Fun Horror film? Sounds good to me so long as the plot is good. Despite what people say the number one most important factor in ANY horror movie is the story. There is NO SUCH THING as a scary movie. Scream, Nightmare, Friday the 13th, Halloween, Exorsist, it reaqlly doesnt matter. NONE of then are scary in the least. They are all good movies, though. I Hate when people say they didnt like a movie because it wasnt scary. How can a movie POSSIBLY be scary? How can you be scared of Freddy when you KNOW its Robert Englund? How can somebody be scared of Linda Blair in heavy makeup? Its all make believe! Coming home and finding an axe-weilding stranger on your doorstep is scary. Seeing it in a movie is NOT.

  • April 6, 1999, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Buddy Film!

    by SnapT

    I would like to see Freddy and Jason in a wacky buddy comedy, like "Rush Hour" or "Another 48 Hours". Freddy and Jason are quite the odd couple. One's got knives on his fingers, the other doesn't. But they'll have to learn to live together. Buddy film! Chris Crosby (

  • April 6, 1999, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Aliens vs. Predator

    by GhettOberg

    I couldn't help but notice the end of this article making a comment about an Aliens vs. Predator movie. Is this an if they did comment or are plans to make this movie already underway?? Can someone please inform me? Its been a looong time since we've seen the big predator in action...

  • April 6, 1999, 5:07 p.m. CST

    hey heres one that I forgot!!!

    by mckracken

    Freddy Kruger vs edward Scissorhands (Johnny Depp was introduced in A nightmare on Elmstreet!!!) that would be perfect.... umm...I suppose not...

  • April 6, 1999, 5:07 p.m. CST

    hey heres one that I forgot!!!

    by mckracken

    Freddy Kruger vs edward Scissorhands (Johnny Depp was introduced in A nightmare on Elmstreet!!!) that would be perfect.... umm...I suppose not...

  • April 6, 1999, 5:07 p.m. CST

    hey heres one that I forgot!!!

    by mckracken

    Freddy Kruger vs edward Scissorhands (Johnny Depp was introduced in A nightmare on Elmstreet!!!) that would be perfect.... umm...I suppose not...

  • April 6, 1999, 5:10 p.m. CST

    oops x 3

    by mckracken

    Mckracken vs "document contains no data" parts one two and and learn?

  • April 6, 1999, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Horror is supposed to be fun!

    by bigguy22

    Alright folks, here's the deal. I do want to be scared be horror flicks, but I want to have fun. That's the whole point of horror movies: To scare the poop out of us and then allow us to remind ourselves that it's only a movie. Bring on the wise-cracking teens. Bring on the ironic deaths of the wise-cracking teens. Bring on the cheesy would-be hero who is either a sherrif or the town drunk who has had visions of the killers and somehow "knows" how to stop them. I, for one, can't wait to see this movie. I loved the elm street and Friday series. They were pure horror fun. And another thing: it's Jason VERSUS Freddy right? They had better friggin fight each other.

  • April 6, 1999, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Horror is supposed to be fun!

    by bigguy22

    Alright folks, here's the deal. I do want to be scared be horror flicks, but I want to have fun. That's the whole point of horror movies: To scare the poop out of us and then allow us to remind ourselves that it's only a movie. Bring on the wise-cracking teens. Bring on the ironic deaths of the wise-cracking teens. Bring on the cheesy would-be hero who is either a sherrif or the town drunk who has had visions of the killers and somehow "knows" how to stop them. I, for one, can't wait to see this movie. I loved the elm street and Friday series. They were pure horror fun. And another thing: it's Jason VERSUS Freddy right? They had better friggin fight each other.

  • April 6, 1999, 8:46 p.m. CST

    FACULTY Bashing & Where Was I When Lane Got Busted?

    by mrbeaks

    What the hell was wrong with THE FACULTY? It was an above-average genre flick that, on its own terms, rocked. I mean, it didn't change my life, but I had a great time with it, and I didn't miss my $9.00 when the credits rolled. Sure it was derivative, but only in the most playful manner possible. If you guys consider THE FACULTY bad filmmaking, I have to question how much you know about what goes on behind the camera, as it was a very tightly edited film. On another subject, I try to read each day's news around here, but I must've missed the day when Lane's rival suitor posted this message that Ryalto refers to as "Internet Legend." If this is true..... man, how humiliating.

  • April 6, 1999, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Vs. Movies

    by tv`snick

    THere should be more Vs. Movies. I wanna see Corey vs. Corey (Haim v. Feldman). I mean, they always played friends. They need to hurt each other. What'd be really cool with Freddy v. jason is if Emilio Estevez played Freddy and Charlie Sheen played Jason... ON CRACK. More Vs. Movies to consider: Rocky vs. Rambo. Consider the "Multiplicity"-style special effects, and the Oscar-winning twin performances by Sylvester Stallone. Wasn't there a Batman vs. Terminator comic a while back, or something to that effect? Anyway, Batman vs. Superman would kick ass. And Harry Knowles vs. Roger Ebert... oh, wait, they're makin' that one, though it's a telepic. ^_^ Star Wars vs. Star Trek.

  • April 6, 1999, 8:53 p.m. CST

    LaneMyers is carrying my baby

    by Eisenstein

    Freddy vs. Jason should have been made 10 years ago.

  • April 6, 1999, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Good Grief

    by Ranger1138

    This entire talkback is starting to look like the line up on "Celeberty Deathmatch" and I have to say that the FX would look better there. <groan> I can't belive I just said that. Oh yeah, the LM embarassment....It was very sad...for some.....

  • April 6, 1999, 9:24 p.m. CST


    by Stevie Richards

    Two words: Metal door "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre", that huge metal fucking door is the scariest thing ever caught on tape. The image of Leatherface with his bloody apron slamming the door shut STILL haunts me...I say instead of wasting the time and money of "Jason vs. Freddy" they should just put out a 1 1/2 hour loop of THAT SCENE and show it across the country. By the way, even though they could NEVER recapture that shot ever again, why in the hell wasn't that terrifying door on any of the sequels??

  • April 6, 1999, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Can't wait.

    by AshFett

    I grew up a HUGE fan of slasher films... All the Friday and Halloween sequels, Chucky too.. Even when they were terrible (and most of each of those series were) I loved them. Just had a great time at them. Freddy was different though. I LOVED the character. I loved him when he was scary, and I loved him when he was funny (and damn, he could be funny. Part 4 may not be very scary, but it's one fun film). I was a HUGE fan of the Elm Street series. Yes a couple of them (Part 2 in particular) are poor, but even in the ones I didn't like, I loved Freddy. I am psyched for Freddy Vs. Jason and have been for all the years they've talked about it. I read the old Briggs script, and it was REALLY bad, and yeah making Jason an Elm Street kid was totally forced. Then James Robinson and David Goyer were writing it, but that lasted two seconds. Now we have these two guys (And yes, the writers are from King of the Hill for those who asked) and Harry, I have my fingers crossed, but what you said is promising. If the movie's mostly funny in tone, that's fine, as long as it's done well! But as I HUGE Scream fan, I hope it's like that film. I found Scream clever and funny as hell, but damn when the killer burst out at someone, or was chasing Sidney, it was played straight and scary and I loved that. Just thinking about a Freddy Vs. Jason movie puts a smile on my face, and not in the way you naysayers might say (a "More Hollywood crap" way). I hope this movie kicks ass.

  • April 6, 1999, 9:58 p.m. CST

    I wanna be scared!

    by Mulch

    First things first. Drool....... I love horror movies. Freddy Kreuger is my favorite horror villian. I still remember that night I first saw Nightmare on Elm Street. I remember standing on line for Freddy's Dead, and I remember the two girls screaming during New Nightmare. Freddy vs. Jason is like a wet dream. I've been waiting for this movie ever since I saw the first announcement in 1995 in the USA Today. I have two of the scripts. The "Alice/Jacob/Jessica/Steven/Stephani/Thanos" one, and the one with the boxing match at the end(yeah, the boxing match part was horrible, but I enjoyed the rest of the script. If it's a fun, good script, I will be happy, just PLEASE don't make it a Scram-clone. Please. I don't want to go on a killing spree at New Line Cinema. New Line, you ought your ASS to Freddy, if you never had Freddy, there would no longer be a New Line Cinema and you know it! Ok, a fun script is good, but I would rather see a scary-as-shit version. Of all the horror movies I've seen, I have yet to be scared. I want to see a horror movie and walk out of the theater bone-white. Hasn't happened. My favorite horror films, they are the "coooooollll" ones. The Exorcist? It's awesome, but it didn't scare me. The demon's name is Captain Howdy. Heh heh... The Shining? Aww yeah... But not scary. Tales From the Crypt: Bordello of Blood? In the words of one friend (who graduated from college with honors in film): "This is the greatest movie ever." Dennis Miller and vampire whores. Cool!!!! But still not scary. I've love a fun FvJ movie, but I'd fucking kill for a scary, "makes your skin crawl" FvJ. Finally, ditch the Midnight Massacre name. Just call it "Freddy vs. Jason". It's an awesome name.

  • April 6, 1999, 10:05 p.m. CST

    The only movie that scared me

    by Mulch

    You know what's fucked up? I've seen all these horror movies and haven't been scared. No nightmares of Freddy, Jason, Michael, Chucky, etc. The one thing that scared me. An episode of "Hogan's Family" (or valerie's family, or whatever). All those horror movies, and I get scared from an episode of a comedy sitcom. It was an episode there one of the kids kidnapped the rival high school's mascot. A wolverine. And the wolverine got loose in the house. In one shot, the wolverine crawls from around the corner, and that was scary as shit. I was afraid of the dark for a week, cause that's when I'd see the wolverine's eyes, coming closer and closer. Okay, the other thing that scared me was a part from "Unsolved Mysteries". It was a ghost epiosde, and they showed this one ghost standing of these steps at an inn in New England. I taped that episode, watched it over and over, and always hid my face when that ghost had its 3 seconds of screen time.

  • April 7, 1999, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Freddy vs Jason

    by super69kid

    When I read the review for this script,I almost ruined my keyboard by coming all over it. Ive been waiting for this movie to get a decent treatment and it sounds like it finally did. you ve got my interest totally piqued. I know the answer is probably going to be no,but can you PLEASE,PRETTY PLEASE WITH RASPBERRIES ON TOP,will you send me a copy of this script?Or at least send me a link to where i can read it? I would be so eternally grateful and would tell EVERYBODY what a cool dude you are.thanks in advance---stay frosty

  • April 7, 1999, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Harry and Lane

    by Lame Meyers

    So what if Harry is biased about a certain film, or if he had a cameo in a film, or whatever. If you have such a problem with him, why do you people constantly visit his site? No matter how pissed you guys are, you'll drop to your knees at the first glimpse of whatever new SW material Harry throws your way. Think you can do better? Design your own web page. Also, Lane might be a raving lunatic most of the time, but you have to admit, he's fun to read!

  • April 7, 1999, 12:12 a.m. CST


    by ryan24

    How about coming up with some new horror villians. Why do they always have to bring back all the old characters from the 80's? Give Michael ,jason,leather,pinhead,freddy a rest . Somebody come up with an exciting new character that people will be scared of instead always relying on the same old ones we are so familar with from the 80's.

  • April 7, 1999, 12:24 a.m. CST


    by Lame Meyers

    Is it me, or are these talk backs supposed to be about movies? IF you have some problem with Lane, do it somewhere else. Quentin, you sound like a raving ass, because quite frankly, I doubt many of us give a shit about Lane's personal life. Besides, you sound like some jilted lover shunned by Lane. Don't ignore your true feelings for him Quentin, we know you hurt. It's ok to cry

  • April 7, 1999, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Jesus, lay off LaneMyer! Enough!

    by METHOS

    I'm not afraid to stand beside Savage Steve Holland's '80s masterpiece. I wouldn't consider it a "religious experience" like a Kieslowski film, Wim Wenders' "Wings of Desire," or "Before the Rain." However, I do make sure to watch "Better Off Dead" every Thanksgiving since 1993. As for "Jason vs. Freddy," I've only read the Lewis Abernathy script. It was a terrible draft. I am glad New Line's taking it semi - seriously, but they're missing out on the fact that they should be churned out around every two years. That was part of their appeal, and the gore factor too. Anyways I still feel that 4, 6, and 7 were the best parts of the series. Part 6 in particular, it had an ironic humor with turning Jason into an all powerful zombie. It was decently filmed with above average effects. Along with a pretty good script, and actors that played the material seriously. It's humor is a marked contrast to today's obnoxious and self referential crap that passes for horror genre movies. "Remember it's not 'Jason Kills.'" "It's 'Jason Lives!'"

  • April 7, 1999, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Lane Myers and the poor rape victim quentin

    by slim shadiest

    I usually dont get involved in this madness but i couldnt ressit this time.i know this is way off the subject of a freddy vs jason movie but it was NOT started by me.For starters,what lanes friend did to him is one of the most fucked up things i have ever heard. that dude deserves for karma to just shit all over him.lane,if your reading this,i feel your pain.and i mean this totally will not hear me mock you for something that was totally out of your control.which brings me to my second point.quentin,you cock sucking motherfucker!ok so lane disagreed with you and maybe called you a few names and hurt your feelings.that does not give ou the right to drag his private life into this.(i know he technically didnt do it,but i had never even heard of this till he cut and pasted the prvious posting verbatim...)i dont htink the question should be who is lane myers but who is said you had named yourself after a visionary or whatever,yet your actions portray you as nothing more than an immature,juvenile, must be a really insecure bastard to have to hunt through teh talk back archives to dig up dirt on someone who insulted you ONLINE!!I guess you dont realize that none of us know you.if i saw you on the street i probably wouldnt know you from the next guy,yet you are so humiliated by whatever it was lane posted that you feel as if you were raped?!!Christ what a loser you must be. what is it quent, are you fat?is that it?do you lumber around in a body made of lard and hate the wolrd that doesnt accept you?i bet you wear these thick nerd glasses and have a stutter and acne too huh?i would say that i feel your pain but your post proved you unworthy of my sympathy.all anyone here is trying to do is have a discussion about movies.i agree that lane can be a bit overbearing with some of his opinions but thats all tehy are is opinions.he did not have sex with your mom or kill your father,although from the way you discribe it he slipped it to your faggot ass with no sorry man,but i would never describe getting my opinions insulted as getting raped in the must have some fantasies.lane,its always good to see someone who will express their opinions despite what other think and will not back down from them,keep up the good work. quentin,get some therapy for you anal penetration issues

  • April 7, 1999, 6:41 a.m. CST

    Freddy vs Jason

    by Markenson

    I'm disappointed by the direction that the project has taken. I was hoping for an epic action-packed horror film with a great story and great characters. This is-it-all-a-dream scenario may leave audiences feeling cheated, and lead to a rapid drop-off after opening night.

  • April 7, 1999, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Lane Meyers: Hate to feed the ego, but...

    by Jimmer72 a goddamn train-wreck, I find this whole never-ending saga to be quite fascinating. Reading the above post, from Lane's ex-bestfriend, was 100 times more entertaining than sitting through another shitty episode of "Days of Our Lives" with my girlfriend.

  • April 7, 1999, 10:05 a.m. CST

    1st Time Poster

    by HarleyQuinn

    I actually came out of lurkedom for this. I know it's bad taste to post OT, but since I didn't start it . . . if anyone was "raped" (and I'm speaking metaphorically here), it was Lane Myers, and now it's being done to him all over again thanks to this Quentin guy. I applaude Lane Myers' attitude in the wake of these unnecessary personal attacks. And Lane, I don't know you, and I don't know Jenny, but she obviously is NOT a fangirl or she'd have been a lot more tolerant of, if not totally into, your toys, comics and convention and internet habits than she apparantly was. She was a fangirl poser, which is just sad. You have a talking Yoda? Kick ass! . . . Anyway, to get back to the main topic, I loved all of the slasher films, but Freddy was my favorite, because he was so damn funny. I hope this movie tries to portray him and Jason both at their prime: Jason from part 4 and Freddy from Dream Warriors. I'm a little bothered by this talk of Jason "saving" the girl from Freddy (unless he's just saving her so he can kill her himself) and of Freddy being just a serial killer who's dressed like Freddy instead of the real deal. . . . I know Nightmare 2 sucked, but I have to admit I loved it, simply because when it came out my bus driver's name was Fred Krueger and we had all kinds of fun with him (at his expense) because of that movie. Actually, he was a pretty scary bastard in his own right, but it was a great coincidence nonetheless.

  • April 7, 1999, 10:38 a.m. CST

    for Ryan24

    by mckracken

    "How about coming up with some new horror villians?" Hollywood tried Ryan, they really tried, we did get "Scream" and the Fisherman from IKWYDLS. It used to be that movies were made, and the fans craved more so they made sequels. NOW movies are made with the forthought of BECOMING a franchise. "ISKWYDLS III" (this is a prime example) and "Strangeland 2" (it looks like the start of another horror franchise). Instead of new horror villians I think that Clive Barker knows best. He is trying to create a new type of "classic" horror monster like Mummies, werewolves, vampires, ghosts, demons and zombies. I would go see Freddy vs Jason, I have waited this long but really, I'll settle for watching EVIL DEAD and DEAD/ALIVE (unrated) on DVD again. Give me another GORE film, who cares if its scary?

  • April 7, 1999, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Who is this Quentin joker?

    by lynnbracken

    Lane - excellent post responding to all this bullshit. I was very impressed. And this Quentin person, jeez - get over the Lucas thing. Haven't you got anything better to do than re-type a really long post that you could have referred people to if you'd had the foresight. Anyone reading the last few days' talkbacks would see that Lane is a well spoken, albeit opinionated (which is not a bad thing,)person, while Quentin appears to be a raving lunatic. That's my opinion. Have fun with it. And really Quentin, just shut up.

  • April 7, 1999, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Quentin, L'auteur, and Lane

    by Rocqueja

    Lane has pissed me off, L'auteur has pissed me off, but you buddy boy go to far. They (the two L"s, hmmm conspiracy) have a point to their postings that involve movies not other people's personal lives so leave Lane the hell alone or at least criticize his view on movies (completely brain dead though it is (just kidding, Lane)). As far as taking your name from a visionary, I kinda doubt that you would know a true visionary if it bit you on your ever widening ass. Besides being able to quote Pulp Fiction verbatim does not make you a knower of all things Tarantino!

  • April 7, 1999, 3:23 p.m. CST


    by Bemistape

    It occurs to me that all the typing required to prove whether or not someone was metaphorically "fucked" up the ass could be used in such better ways, like, y'know, oh, ANYTHING else. Why not write the Great American Novel? Compose a long love letter to that major crush of yours? Or go the more popular route and masturbate constantly to pictures of Seven of Nine? Oh wait, we got that one covered already.

  • April 7, 1999, 4:09 p.m. CST

    by M. Doonesbury

    I'm sorry I asked.

  • April 7, 1999, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Please God, not another "New Nightmare!"

    by CamperX

    No one wants to see another "New Nightmare." Jesus Harold Christ! We want to see a good old fashioned slasher movie involving the two icons. If Freddy vs. Jason is like "New Nightmare", then doesn't that mean that all of the other um-teen dozen Jason and Freddy films were all just movies about movies(or something like that)? I don't want to see something go wrong on the set of a movie-they have friggin' FOX SPECIALS for that. Another thing...What's this "Funny Horror" crap? Jason and Freddy aren't funny (well Freddy maybe annoying, but not funny!) I think a funny horror would simply be making fun of all of the other Jason and Freddy films, which is what fans of the series do not want to see. If New Line makes a "Funny Horror" movie about Freddy and Jason, then they'll never hear the end of it from the die hard fans. The fans simply want to see Jason and Freddy slug it out like Superman and Doomsday. Knocking over buildings and trying to do each other in without success because they are both very indestructable! In the end have God take care of them, because he's probably the only one who can! That's what we all want to see. Not some chick dreaming about a movie about Jason and Freddy and a few mishaps during production that aren't even real anyway!

  • April 8, 1999, 1:52 a.m. CST

    quentin vs. lane myers

    by Loretta

    Hey, quentin! You blame Lane for being all day in the internet?!?! You of all people?!?! You, the guy who posted a hundred TalkBacks in a single day?!?! I have a solution for your problem. Obviously you two know each other quite well, so why don't you get together and settle your differences personally? This would free us from your irritating battle and it wouldn't suck anymore to read the MOVIE(!!!)TalkBacks...

  • April 8, 1999, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Freddy vs Jason

    by Markenson

    CamperX is right on the money. This ambiguous dream-within-a-dream garbage has been done to death. It shows a total lack of respect for the audience. New Line needs to wake up from their own bad dream. This could've been a great movie, but now it sounds like they're going to use the title to sell tickets, but deliver a lame ripoff.

  • April 8, 1999, 9:31 a.m. CST

    hey Quentin

    by mckracken

    I'm confused. Was the post titled "I am Quentin.....I do not like Lane Myers and I am not fat" (the long post)written in Lane's Style or was the much smaller to the point post: "RE: Slim Shadiest" written in the Lane Myers style? It seems to me that the second post was, because of what you said(the constant use of graphic language, the ALL CAPS to illustrate anger and --> "!!!!!" to illustrate your point to Slim.)Telling a high schooler to grow up is like talking to a rock, I know because I've been there. High schoolers arent grown up yet so whats the point? They act immature, thats their very nature. So my advice to Quentin (and Lane Myers too I guess)...go suck a fat one. And back on the topic, I agree with CamperX also but I really dont think smashing buildings in the traditional "Godzilla" sence would be a wise move for New Line, if it is, we're better off with the NEW NIGHTMARE aspect. I liked your solution also CamperX, let God blow them both to smitherines (only then next summer we would have "Jason and Freddy vs God II: The final Battle" and that isnt something I'm looking forward to)--McK

  • April 8, 1999, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Smashing buildings

    by CamperX

    Knocking over buildings would be a pretty dumn thing to do, I agree. I just want to see the two slug it out. I think it would be better than Julius vs. Jason from "Jason Takes Manhattan". Does anybody think that Jason would knock Freddy's head off like he did Julius'? Would Freddy grow another head? Freddy vs. Jason has been delayed so many times, it isn't funny. Does anyone think that New Line will finally get it together, or what? Maybe its better off that they don't fight, because no matter what the outcome is (Jason wins, Freddy wins, they don't really fight, they join forces, or a tie) someone will feel let down by their "hero" (or whatever?) It's like Tyson and Ali, someone can always speculate who might win, but if they ever fought, the result wouldn't please a lot of people. Too many excuses would be made in a situation like that. Maybe the Jason/Freddy fight is something we don't need to see, although I would definately see it! You can't please all of the people all of the time, right? This could be New Line's dilemma-trying to please everyone. It's something they just can't do, it's a no win situation for them.

  • April 8, 1999, 1:35 p.m. CST


    by mckracken is reporting a "sometime in June, 1999" release for Freddy vs Jason. hehehehe...I think they are gonna miss the June release by a while..... heh...

  • Sept. 9, 1999, 8:18 a.m. CST

    King of Slash

    by jaybyrd24

    OK we are comparing apples to oranges here. First of all Jason is in the real world,we already know and Freddy is in the dream world. Lets pit Freddy vs Candyman and see what we get. I would be interested in your comments of who you think would win and why?

  • Sept. 9, 1999, 8:23 a.m. CST

    King of Slash

    by jaybyrd24

    Jason vs Psyco Cop who would win this battle and why?

  • Sept. 9, 1999, 8:24 a.m. CST

    King of Slash

    by jaybyrd24

    OK we are comparing apples to oranges here. First of all Jason is in the real world,we already know and Freddy is in the dream world. Lets pit Freddy vs Candyman and see what we get. I would be interested in your comments of who you think would win and why?

  • Sept. 14, 1999, 6:25 p.m. CST

    freddy vs jason scripts

    by Fredro9669

    Well I got a chance to read one of the rejected scripts for "Freddy vs Jason" and I have to say it was pretty good. The script i was fortunate enough to read was "FREDDY VS JASON" (A Screenplay by: Peter Briggs) . I would like the opportunity to read the other scripts so if anyone has any other scrpits or information on where i can get them please send it to me at Thanks

  • Feb. 10, 2000, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Freddy & Jason

    by bobluv84

    Ok, I write this as someone who is not an expert in the feild of either films but know enough to scare both my parents. here are my 3 suggestions as for a movie like this. 1) For the love of god HIRE GOOD ACTORS! not in the stage sense but ones that can get the audience to feel for or sympasize wiht. POSSIBLY... bring back old characters that went over well. In Halloween H20 that movie would have sucked without Jamie Lee Curtis. So bring back some classics, like psychic girl or NANCY, not necesarily as leads but as "the new nightmare"-ish 2)Horror films are meant to be scary first. The exorcist, evnent horizon, the omen, ect ect were good movies without lame jokes. However, FT13th and N.O.E.M (the inithials spell out gnome :) ) the movies were appropriately "corny" is a way to put it. So keep the movies scary with only good corny jokes, if that makes sense. 3)Do not do a tacky tie in for these characters. Like jason meets freddy in hell and they have a bet or some wierd connection that goes back 200 years. Have it be something that would make sense. Mabey Freddy worked at Crystal Lake or Jason went to Freddy's school. But don't say something like "Freddy is Jason's... DAD!!!" That would suck! Ok those are my ideas agree or dissagree if ya want!

  • July 16, 2006, 9:21 p.m. CST

    sitting in a tree

    by Wolfpack