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Paramount chooses HD DVD exclusive!

Hey folks, Harry here. Woke up with the following press release in my InBox, then shortly thereafter, I received a phone call from Rob Moore, President Worldwide Marketing, Distribution and Home Entertainment for Paramount Pictures - who is doing a flurry of interviews today - in articles you'll read tomorrow in the NY TIMES, LA TIMES, USA TODAY - etc. You see - this is a big deal, because this means that alongside UNIVERSAL, PARAMOUNT is going EXCLUSIVE to HD DVD. So, the first question I asked Rob Moore was... "Why would PARAMOUNT/DREAMWORKS choose the allegedly losing format in this format war?" Rob responded that the keyword there was "Allegedly". It seems that according to their studies, the people that buy stand alone players - buy more dedicated film product... so, due to Toshiba's commitment to getting quality equipment at the under $300 barrier - means to the execs at Paramount, that this is the format to support. I then countered with, "But isn't Sony supposed to introduce an under $300 Blu-Ray player this Holiday season?" Rob responded that they have heard that, but it hadn't been assured yet. So next, I asked, "Why support either format exclusively - wouldn't providing content to supporters of both formats be the way to go?" Rob responded that concentrating on one format allows them to concentrate on content for that format exclusively, thus giving better product for the format they support. It also means that they can begin opening up their library and getting more product out for the format. Which is a very good thing for those of us on HD. I then asked when the INDIANA JONES set would hit and if it would be exclusive to HD. Rob responded that on the films that Spielberg, however, is a huge supporter of Blu-Ray and always has been and wants the titles to be available in both formats - so those will be cross-platform titles. However, the rest of Dreamworks, Viacom/Paramount's world... those will be HD DVD exclusive for the next few years at least. Can you imagine BLOCKBUSTER not letting people rent TRANSFORMERS, SHREK THE THIRD, etc? Me Either. This format war is a fascinating chess game, isn't it? Next, I talked with Alan Bell, the Chief Technology officer for Paramount. He's been in charge of the technological decisions and realities for Paramount, since the advent of DVD. I asked Alan if he was happy with this decision, or if this was something that was being forced upon them. Alan then went into a very complicated series of statements about how HD DVD was the format that makes sense for Paramount. It's not just a matter of the amount of space that one format has over another. That's a gross simplification between the two formats. You see, HD DVD was built upon... not just the technology of DVD, but the programming software and other aspects. When we began talking about the cost issues - Alan stated it's very very complex, but that the replication facilities that have been built for the mass production of DVD - it's much cheaper and simpler to convert for HD DVD mass production. For those of us consuming these products - it's easy to simply believe decisions are made due to just advertising incentives, but when you speak to the technology guys inside these studios - you hear that HD DVD is cheaper, serves the technological needs of the High Definition format, that the programming languages are an extension of the established DVD format - so it is easier for them to work with. This decision is about more than an intial Toshiba advertising incentive - the decision was made at a tech level, an economic level and about a cost delivery level to the public. Paramount made this decision from the tech guys up. Here's the release...

PARAMOUNT AND DREAMWORKS ANIMATION EACH DECLARE EXCLUSIVE SUPPORT FOR HD DVD Movies Distributed by Paramount Home Entertainment Including Paramount Pictures, DreamWorks Animation SKG, DreamWorks Pictures, Paramount Vantage, Nickelodeon Movies and MTV Films to be Released Exclusively in HD DVD Exclusive Program To Begin with Release of “Blades of Glory,” Followed by “Transformers” and “Shrek the Third,” Films Representing More Than $1.5 Billion in Combined Worldwide Box Office
Los Angeles, CA, August 20, 2007 – Paramount Pictures, a unit of Viacom Inc. (NYSE: VIA and VIA.B) and DreamWorks Animation SKG (NYSE:DWA), each announced today that they will exclusively support the next-generation HD DVD format on a worldwide basis. The exclusive HD DVD commitment will include all movies distributed by Paramount Pictures, DreamWorks Pictures, Paramount Vantage, Nickelodeon Movies and MTV Films, as well as movies from DreamWorks Animation, which are distributed exclusively by Paramount Home Entertainment. The companies each said that the decision to distribute exclusively in the HD DVD format resulted from an extensive evaluation of current market offerings, which confirmed the clear benefits of HD DVD, particularly its market-ready technology and lower manufacturing costs. Paramount Home Entertainment will launch its exclusive HD DVD program with the release of the blockbuster comedy hit “Blades of Glory” on August 28th and follow with two of the biggest grossing movies of the year “Transformers” and “Shrek the Third”. These three titles alone represent more than $1.5 billion in box office ticket sales worldwide. “The combination of Paramount and DreamWorks Animation brings a critical mass of current box office hits to consumers with a line-up of live action and animated films that are perfect for HD DVD,” stated Brad Grey, Chairman and CEO of Paramount Pictures, which is currently the leading studio in domestic box office. “Part of our vision is to aggressively extend our movies beyond the theater, and deliver the quality and features that appeal to our audience. I believe HD DVD is not only the affordable high quality choice for consumers, but also the smart choice for Paramount.” “We decided to release “Shrek the Third” and other DreamWorks Animation titles exclusively on HD DVD because we believe it is the best format to bring high quality home entertainment to a key segment of our audience – families,” stated DreamWorks Animation CEO, Jeffrey Katzenberg. “We believe the combination of this year’s low- priced HD DVD players and the commitment to release a significant number of hit titles in the fall makes HD DVD the best way to view movies at home.” With the rapid increase of HD TV screens in households, and audiences wanting to enjoy the total entertainment experience, HD DVD has emerged as the most affordable way for consumers to watch their movies in high definition. In addition to pristine quality, HD DVD also offers consumers the chance to personalize the movie-watching experience, to interact with their movies and even to connect with a community of other fans. Paramount Home Entertainment will issue new releases day and date as well as catalog titles exclusively on HD DVD. Today’s announcement does not include films directed by Steven Spielberg as his films are not exclusive to either format. About Paramount Pictures Corporation Paramount Pictures Corporation (PPC), a global producer and distributor of filmed entertainment, is a unit of Viacom (NYSE: VIA, VIA.B), a leading content company with prominent and respected film, television and digital entertainment brands. The company’s labels include Paramount Pictures, Paramount Vantage, Paramount Classics, MTV Films, Nickelodeon Movies and DreamWorks Studios. PPC operations also include Paramount Digital Entertainment, Paramount Home Entertainment, Paramount Pictures International, Paramount Licensing Inc., Paramount Studios and Worldwide Television Distribution. About DreamWorks Animation SKG DreamWorks Animation is principally devoted to developing and producing computer generated, or CG, animated feature films. With world-class creative talent, a strong and experienced management team and advanced CG filmmaking technology and techniques, DreamWorks Animation makes high quality CG animated films meant for a broad movie-going audience. The Company has theatrically released a total of fourteen animated feature films, including Antz, Shrek, Shrek 2, Shark Tale, Madagascar, Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit, Over the Hedge, Flushed Away, and Shrek the Third. DreamWorks Animation’s newest release, Bee Movie, opens in theaters November 2, 2007.
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  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST


    by gudge

    its all about HDDVD. Fuck you Sony

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    I hope Micheal Vick gets HDTV in jail...

    by BadMrWonka

    then he can watch in full clarity, all the pundits explain why he deserves to be there, the fucking bastard...

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST


    by Loosejerk

    Quint has chosen Blu-yay, here's why: He can look at Eli Roth's Huge Prosthetic Wang with FIVE TIMES the storage capacity!

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Paramount has chosen HD-DVD and here's why...

    by Doughboy

    They were paid $150 million to drop Blu-ray. I hate Sony though, so props to Toshiba, Microsoft, and the whole HD-DVD team. Transformers available exclusively for HD-DVD this fall will sell a lot of players.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    shut the fuck about hd-dvd and blu-ray, harry

    by badcrumble

    the format war is irritating and to see someone blatantly backing one format or the other and using an ostensibly community-based site to push it is sickening

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Eat it, Blew-Gay!

    by MaxTheSilent

    HD-DVD uses better quality codecs, has far more advanced and user-friendly interactive features and is cheaper to make. And with Sony being evil and incompetent, do you really want THEM winning a next-gen HD war?

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Shut up, fatass.

    by El Scorcho

    Fuck you and your sell-out nonsense. This crap really makes me angry.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    I will wait...

    by Philvis

    Not for the winning format, but for the damn prices to be cheap enough for me. It took long enough for the DVD players to get below the $100 mark and the DVD's to be at $10-16. Give me a $150 HD player and a $15 HD DVD, and I am in like Flynn.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    The fact that this doesn't include Spielberg films...

    by El Scorcho

    makes it a non-story.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    BWAHAHA...suck it Blu Boys!

    by Peter Franks

    How you like the little HD-DVD engine that could now? Actually, since I own both a Blu-Ray player AND an HD-DVD player (and a nice little library of titles in both formats) I don't really care either way. But, it is funny as all hell to watch you little fanboy dumbasses get your panties all in a bunch over a format war. Isn't the whole idea supposed to be getting the films in their best possible light? The most glorious presentation and preservation of the movies we love. Isn't THAT what it's supposed to be all about? Who cares which format wins. If we're getting a steady stream of quality flicks in high def...we ALL win.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Not being able to rent Transformers or Shrek the Third

    by Samuel Fulmer

    And add The Relic and Congo to that list of classics too!

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Does this mean I can't watch Star Trek 4 on my PS-3?

    by Pound Sand

    Curses !

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    El Scorcho

    by Doughboy

    Transformers and Shrek the Third make it a story. Not to mention catalog titles like the Star Trek TV and film series, Braveheart, Titanic, Jack Ryan series, etc.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    He didn't comment on the $150M

    by doc420

    Why didn't Rob Moore comment on the $150M Paramount recieved for backing HD-DVD?

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Upconversion on PS3 = brilliance

    by El Scorcho

    Just to set the record straight. I know Harry previously claimed that PS3 didn't play regular DVDs and didn't upconvert them. It does and they look gorgeous.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Transformers & Shrek the Third???

    by El Scorcho

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Two of the very worst films of the summer. HD-DVD can have those two forever as far as I am concerned.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST

    No Raiders of the Lost Ark on HDDVD...

    by Blue_Demon

    no sale.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Jack Ryan films

    by Samuel Fulmer

    are already on Blu-Ray. Does this mean they're going to be pulled off the shelves? I don't own either format so I don't care at all, but it doesn't seem right for Paramount to just all of a sudden pull support for Blu-Ray. It seems like they'll be creating a lot of angry customers. But then again they have lost lots of money at the box office lately. I guess this possible HD-DVD pay off might just be what they need right now.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Lock67ca has chosen the original DVD format

    by lock67ca

    I say screw the format war! I'm more than happy with the DVD player and movies I've got. The movies look and sound great. So, I hope both new formats fail. Nobody asked for this stupid format war in the first place, and the studios clearly don't seem to give a rat's ass what the public wants. I really hope a lot of people start to feel the way I do, and we can all sit on the sidelines and watch the studios and these new formats crash and burn.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:34 p.m. CST


    by Vamp-AICNchat

    ...TITANIC was made by 20th Century Fox. So was BRAVEHEART for the matter.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Nicholas Cage chooses 8mm and here's why...

    by Samuel Fulmer

    or maybe not.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    the invisible hand...

    by I87D

    I believe it was the great Adam Smith who obversved the power of the "invisible hand" in a free market economy. Unfortunately, the invisible hand here isn't consumer driven market forces (which are already pointing towards Blu-Ray), it's Microsoft -- a real invisible hand that is somehow escaping notice of all the major news outlets who are just reprinting a press release without any actual reporting.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:42 p.m. CST

    The Digital Bits' bias is "proof?"

    by The PimpDragon

    I can't believe you'd take Bill Hunt's quote as "proof" of any one side winning/losing the format war! Hunt and his crew supported HD-DVD originally and, suddenly, they bash HD any chance they get and back Blu-Ray? Hmmm.... Everyone has a bias. It's what makes a free country so great. But don't take someone's biased posts for "proof." That's like calling an opinion piece by Michael Moore the "truth." It is, but as Obi-Wan told Luke, "from a certain point of view."

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    The main thing is this...

    by The PimpDragon

    Combined, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray sales make up 1 fucking percent of all DVD sales. So, take that for what you will! Pick whichever side you like, but right now VHS is outselling HD/BR discs combined!

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    whats the point in either format?

    by kwisatzhaderach

    DVD will do me fine, it's my last physical format. Digital download will be my next format.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    whats the point in either format?

    by kwisatzhaderach

    DVD will do me fine, it's my last physical format. Digital download will be my next format.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    whats the point in either format?

    by kwisatzhaderach

    DVD will do me fine, it's my last physical format. Digital download will be my next format.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    ps -- titanic and braveheart

    by I87D

    for those getting confused on who owns the titles, they were both co-financed by 20th and Par, separating the distribution rights between regions and media. according to the IMBd, paramount released the US dvds of both, but that doesn't mean 20th doesn't have some say in the matter in as well... especially if they are making DVDs for release elsewhere in the world.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    $150 million does the body good

    by AlwaysThere

    Or at least it makes your wallet fatter if you can be bought off to keep a once dying formats head above water. And a final thought, M$ has officially screwed both formats now. Their goal to guarantee a repeat of the SACD/DVD-Audio fight has been replicated here. Both formats will stay around been niche and M$ will gleefully push their Xbox Live VC1 movie rentals. Thanks a lot Microsoft.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Blu-Ray look good. HD DVD looks good.

    by Andillformthehead

    But guess what...DVD looks good. This is coming from someone who bought a blu-ray player. Sites like this really should back either format (i say "back" because I really don't remember any Sony Press releases).

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Paramount Vs. Disney

    by EddieBlake

    However, I see no mention of Disney's announcement that they are releasing their stuff, Platinum Editions and new stuff on Blu-Ray. Disney is the giant and if any one studio can determine the outcome of the war, it would be Disney going exclusive with their catalog and especially with their back catalog.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    And Lucas will goto downloads...

    by Doc_Hudson

    Or so says Rick the Dick... But at any rate,the war will now be "unwinnable". Sony,Paramount,Disney,and the damn Weiny Brothers are all "trying" to help end this format(HD on discs) by supporting just one format. SACD/DVD-A(not to be confused with DVDA(hint hint,Matt and Trey) apparently did not teach the content providers very much. Now,IMHO

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    And Lucas will goto downloads...

    by Doc_Hudson

    The war is over.......they both lost me.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 3:58 p.m. CST

    "Transformers exclusive will sell alot of players"

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Doughboy, you said: "Transformers available exclusively for HD-DVD this fall will sell a lot of players."<p>First of all, given how much people are STILL not buying into EITHER format until the marketplace shakes out more, I hardly think ONE movie is going to be the tipping point -- and even if that was the case, it sure as hell wouldn't be TF.<p>The fact that Spielberg used HIS clout to tell Paramount-- and by extension even Bill Gates and Microsoft -- to suck his dick and that HIS films would remain available in BOTH formats...and Paramount then blinked and agreed to his terms...certainly speaks volumes.<p>Also, come holiday season, it's not that TRANSFORMERS will sell a lot of players. It simply means the standard DVD will move a lot of units as expected, as once again people who want the movie -- but who haven't committed to a particular high end format yet -- will simply pick up their usual standard DVD at Best Buy or wherever for 15 bucks, and not think twice about it.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4 p.m. CST

    Whoever makes a decently priced combo player

    by superfleish76

    is gonna get my money. Don't really care which side wins, there are only a handful of films that I "need" in true HD.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Seriously? People are going to...

    by snakecharmer

    ...spend a couple of hundred dollars so that they can watch Transformers in HDDVD? Really? Transformers was easily the biggest disappointment at theaters this summer. As long as I get Die Hard and Bourne on Blue-Ray im good. Blockbuster will play a bigger part in this "war" than people realize.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    I also have chosen the standard DVD format

    by Baron Karza

    Because I aint buyin shit TWICE again. Besides, who wants to see Edward J Almos' face in HD?

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    I've chosen 8-Track and here's why

    by BringingSexyBack

    Exclusivity, baby.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Who cares, this war is already lost

    by FreeKill

    This war is so silly. I have an HD TV at home and watching plain ole DVD's on it looks just great. There is really ZERO incentive for me to upgrade my entire collection to HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. I honestly can't see either of these sides winning for a long time because consumers are just not committing to the upgrades. I can walk into a Best Buy and pick up an amazing DVD player capable of playing all my Divx or other crazy formats for less than $150. An HD-DVD player is 500+, same with Blu-Ray. By the time everyone is switching in droves, a new contender will have emerged...

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST

    I was at a house this weekend with Blu-Ray

    by modlight

    Holy shit. They had a 52 inch flat panel sony and they threw in Fantastic Four. That looked phenomenal... yeah Fantastic friggin 4. I haven't seen an HD dvd yet, but it they can make me comment to myself on the color and composition of Fantastic Four I can only imagine what will happen when I grab Children of men, Casino Royale or any Michael Mann movie.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Where's the pic of Harry's right tit?

    by BringingSexyBack

    This year's Little Miss Cleavage.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Who needs HD-DVD or Blu-Ray

    by BringingSexyBack

    The future of video is online viewing anyway. I've already started watching movies on Netflix.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST


    by greigy just wanted to say

    Money talks and bullshits walks kids

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST

    The PimpDragon

    by jfp2007

    No, actually HD content surpassed VHS for the first time in June.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST


    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    That's funny, I've never seen an article, much less a headline, trumpeting announcements by Blu-Ray exclusive studios! hmmmm...<br><br>And Paramount runs right to Harry personally, knowing he is one person who is actually on their side.<br><br> Are you sure, Harry, you wanna start this up again? Because HD is STILL going to lose, and YES, Blockbuster, etc, would rather miss out on a few sales of Transformers or Shrek (which they wont, people will just buy standard DVD versions) than carry an entire dying format.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Did Blu-ray not pay off Blockbuster?

    by mach5jack

    Because Blockbuster could use the money, and how! <p>From <p> "Blockbuster has lost significant amounts of money in recent years: $1.6 billion in 2002, almost $1.0 billion in 2003, and $1.2 billion in 2004." <p> Blockbuster also shitcanned its CEO a week or so after its Blu-ray announcement.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Clearly most of you have never even seen HD-DVD

    by MaxTheSilent

    Because if you had you'd be singing a different tune. When you look at something like KING KONG or BATMAN BEGINS in HD, you can't help but imagine your favourite movies looking that good. Then you will be a convert. Or, at least, someone who takes an active interest in how this whole 'war' plays out.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST


    by greigy just wanted to say

    Grow up kiddies....

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST


    by Doc_Hudson

    Both formats are encoded the same way,the only difference is the actual,physical disc(Patented). I love HD content from online on my HDTV.....but this disc war is crazy stupid......

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Midol Girl has chosen Blu-Ray and here's why ... ,

    by BringingSexyBack

    Looks prettier when you hang and spin it on her right nipple.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST

    The most amazing thing about Harry's HD love

    by modlight

    is that he doesn't have both formats. I mean for a guy who loves film that much, and clearly does ok financially, wouldn't he just get both formats and let us know his thoughts on both? I can't afford it yet, but I'll probably get a PS3 and then a cheaper HD player and judge for myself, but it aint my job to tell people these things. Harry it is yours.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST

    I have a next gen player

    by slappy jones

    i won't say which one as everyone seems to think if you like one you must hate the other but what I will say is the picture quality makes my dvd player look like a blurry out of focus piece of shit. Granted I don't thave the flashest dvd player in the world but it isn't a dinosaur either. the difference between the two formats is incredible. And upsetting since I own about 600 dvds but from now on depending on the availability I will only ever buy films on my format. if it doesn't happen to be available on my format I will get standard until someone comes out with a good all purpose machine....

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Funny how HDDVD PAYS studios to go exclusive

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    ...while the rest go Blu-Ray of their own decision, with no bribery or payoffs. hmmmm....<br><br>The minute Microsoft/HD stops throwing free money at them, they'll defect to Blu-Ray immediately.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Steven Spielberg has chosen HD-DVD and heres why ....,

    by BringingSexyBack

    Shia pointed at the HD-DVD.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Indy WON'T go both formats...he'll wait for a winner

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    Spielberg and Lucas have both said in interviews that the real biggies (Star Wars, Indy Jones, Jurassic, etc) will wait for a single winning format with decent household penetration. They may release some of their lesser films, like Close Encounters, AI, Schindler, etc; but the big dogs aren't coming until this war is over.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST


    by EddieBlake

    I have to agree with you. Sayong that Blockbuster won't miss out on those sales is completely nonsensical since Blockbuster makes most of their money from the rentals anyway and they'll still have the regular formats. Now, if Paramount announced that they were dumping the regular DVD format, then maybe Blockbuster might reconsider, but as long as the regular format is out there, they won't really give a shit.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Every format Sony has backed/created has lost

    by BringingSexyBack

    Minidisc, Memory Stick, Betamax, etc. The only logical thing to do, for people who have money too burn, is to go with the other format. For those of us who value our money, it would be smarter to stick with standard DVD. Do the math!

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST


    by Hercules

    Do you have a link to any -- even one -- of those Spielberg and Lucas interviews?

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Whoever wins, we lose

    by la_sith

    This format war sucks. I will not buy. I own an Oppo w/upconverter with a direct HDMI, and it works great. Thanks for keeping us "informed", Harry.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Couldn't care less..

    by WillsDad

    This format war is far from over. The majority are waiting this out and then choosing the format that will be left standing. At that point, if Blu-ray wins, the Dreamworks folks will have no choice but to release their movies in Blu-ray. Buying a high-def player, at this stage of the game, IMO does not make any sense. This is an example.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Give me a player...

    by Tired Eagle

    Put a player on the market that plays both formats and retails for $150-200, and I'm all in. That's what it took to get people to finally buy into DVDs a decade ago and nothing's changed.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    So is your retarded porn thesis

    by Dr. Chim Richalds

    now defunct? Is the Paramount defection the new reason to choose HD-DVD ("...and here's why")?

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    The reason I ask.

    by Hercules

    I get why they want to wait for decent market penetration, but I'm highly doubtful that either format is going to wipe the other out. Movie consumers are buying the cheaper HD-DVD players while the gamers are not going to abandon PS3. Just as we have both PCs and Macs, just as we have X-Boxes and PS3s, I think HD-DVD and Blu-ray can and probably will survive side-by-side. I can't imagine we won't get HD "Star Wars" until one format wins -- because this war may not end before Lucas and Spielberg are pushing up daisies.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Who gives a fuck?

    by IAmLegolas

    Remember watching movies for the movies? This smacks of sportsmanlike dick swinging, continually pushing for bigger and better sound and vision until we can see the pores on Matt Damon's face and can here a stagehand cough on the set next door. Ridiculous. "standard" DVD is just fine.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST


    by modlight

    I would've agreed with you until I saw BluRay this weekend. It isn't HD in the sense of high def pores, seeing makeup, super defined lines and such as it is with HD Video on TV. It was, for me, seeing a movie outside of a theater as close to the film experience as I've seen. None of the compression or loss that I get with my TV, as good as it can be. It really was HD for the film's benefit. I dug it.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST


    by unrulyappendage The format war is bad for consumers. If it doesn't shake out, it looks like Lucas will release HD content online. Both BR and HD could invalidate each other and it looks like Microsoft doesn't care.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Thanks, jfp2007!

    by The PimpDragon

    I didn't see that HD formats finally passed VHS! Good to know! No matter what, both formats have a LONG way to go for market penetration! And here's what I don't get - all the fanboy haterade over a fucking video format? WAAAA! My format's better than yours because I can see Johnny Depp's mascara better! WAAAA! My format's better because I can see smudges on the Batmobile's windshield! Who cares what you like? Why do you care what others like? Like what you like and shut the fuck up!

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST



    if Blu-ray puts a $300 or less priced player on the market this holiday season, I'll add it. Right now, my bank account is shallow and my cards need paying down. 30 days on the road, getting married and setting up in a new house is not cheap.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Herc: here's one

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    I was mistaken as LUCAS himself has not addressed it, but rather he had right-hand man Rick McCallum discuss it at SW Celebration Europe. Article here:<br><br>Locating Spielberg's..will post when I get it again.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Harry has chosen HD-DVD. Here's the REAL reason why...

    by Acappellaman

    Apparently, Microsoft paid Harry off too, just like Paramount and Dreamworks. I doubt it took as much dough for Harry to shriek his allegience to HD-DVD, but I guarantee it happened. Heck, it might have been the free HD-DVD player that got Harry to do it. I've got to say, I'm sorely disappointed in you, Harry. For somebody who "loves" movies as much as you do, it should be unthinkable for you to lock yourself onto one format and miss out on seeing all your favorite movies in high definition that do not come out on HD-DVD. The fact that you'd turn your back on those movies is really upsetting to me, Harry. I'm disgusted. Somebody like YOU shouldn't have a bias, and to declare it repeatedly on your site is shameful. If you TRULY love movies as much as you say you do, you'd own both players. Shame on you, Harry. Seriously, shame on you.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Wake me when its over and theyve decided how to rape me

    by SydBarretsMyDad

    ...further for my consumer dollar. Does anyone else think that all movies will be downloadable to own at a reduced cost in a few years anyway? I havent purchased a CD since I bought my IPOD.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Disgusting Shill

    by Junior Frenger

    Really Harry it's fine that your ass is bought and sold as easily as 13 year old boy from Thailand, but at least admit to it fer chrissakes. This was nothing more than a payout from Microsoft. Good job you wannabe liberal. For someone who's claims to be such a blue stater you sure are willing to get on your knees and suck the big fat corporate dick until it spunks $100 bills onto your man boobs.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST

    It's understandable for finacial reasons

    by unrulyappendage

    To go with HD-DVD. Paramount and Dreamworks have 150 million reasons. This is like paying for a date for the prom. When you have to pay, it's desperation. It has NOTHING to do with the benefits of HD-DVD.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Microsoft, if you want to pay me $50 mill, I'll go gay!

    by Yack Backer

    HD-DVD is easy!

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, the Wedding thing.

    by modlight

    Forgot you were now one of those guys who has to think about someone other than themselves. Congratulations by the way.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    You're insulting us Harry.

    by Cymbol

    You're insulting our intelligence. From you: "This decision is about more than an intial Toshiba advertising incentive - the decision was made at a tech level, an economic level and about a cost delivery level to the public." So, you're expecting me to believe that Tobisha/Microsoft paying Paramount $150 Million and Paramount's epiphany that HD DVD is the best format are just happy f*cking coincidences??? You obviously think we are all a bunch of complete idiots. Seriously, this is the most insulting article you have ever written.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    High def is a joke

    by Knightsong

    I've been to the stores and I've seen the picture, but I haven't seen what the big high def deal is. I honestly can't tell any real difference between dvd and hd dvd, or blu ray for that matter. The plasma and hd tv's get a great quality picture, but as far as seeing the difference between an hd dvd disk and a regular dvd disk...I'm not seeing it. It's just more bullshit drummed up to get the techno-lemmings to buy the newest piece of techno-shit. I love my techno-shit and I love having the latest greatest toys. But it's nothing but bullshit to me. Can anyone really tell the difference in the difference between Hi res and HD trailers on-line? I can't, and my guess is that anyone out there who says they can is lying to themselves. It's all a bunch of bull shit to get us to spend our money on their crap. HD exclusive content is just a way for them to get you to buy a $300 player rather than spend $40 on a DVD player. They're not making money on it any more, or at least as much as they'd like, so they're shoveling techno-bullshit at you. Stop eating it up and think for yourselves.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Ok ok....

    by Doc_Hudson

    Stop beating Harry......he just posted what about ten other sites did. Chill. We all love films here,regardless of the wanking format(My fav is in the actual theater.35mm and

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Stop crying babies

    by futureman3000

    Oh no, I had to read about the format wars and comment, boo hoo.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    ...whatever. They both look great.

    by Rando Calrisian

    This battle is about 1000X lamer than the Optimus with flames debate (idiots). Can everyone just chill the fuck out and see that it will be a very long time before all this blows over? They both look awesome, and there are probably payoffs on every side. I'd take a damn payoff and tout HD-DVD or BluRay any freakin' day - and every single one of you out there would too. I say get 'em both and rack up even more freakin' debt, Man! That's the American way!

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    goddamn it

    by AllieJamison

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    is the format I go with.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Wow that was quick!

    by Junior Frenger

    Harry deleted my post fast. It still doesn't change the fact that he's an obvious shill for corrupt corporations. Your right one thing Harry, it is about your finances. Ethics go right out the window when it comes to Harry's wallet. Delete my posts all you want. It was an obvious payout and you are supporting under some halfbaked excuses about cheap players and production costs. Boy, Bill Hunt must have really bruised your ego the last time you posted about HD-DVD.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST


    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    "Neither HD format is selling much yet anyway, and you're saying you'll give us $150M CASH upfront? And then when the format dies, we can just switch over and start releasing them on Blu-Ray anyway! PLUS, the HD-DVD shmucks who bought them in the meantime will have to buy them all over again! BRILLIANT!"<br><br>Really, how can you blame them. They're being offered a mountain of cash to choose a side, and that cash is more than anyone's making so far on HD with actual disc sales. So why not take the money and then if their side loses, just start over again.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Fuck you Paramount, Harry and Microsoft

    by SpreadLegsNotWar

    All this amounts to is payola to prop up a dying format. Microsoft wants to prolong this format war as long they can so neither will win and they can emerge with their crappy 720p HD digital downloads as the dominant HD distribution method. Until someone can figure out how to get a full-size 1080p movie to my house in less than 15 minutes, there will always be a need for a "hard copy". Plus, people like having visible collections. But that's besides the point. Going from format neutral to format exclusive at this stage of the game is flat-out retarded. I mean, BD is outselling HD-DVD 2 to 1 and Paramount is just going to pull what they've already been selling? Shit, Blades of Glory is due to hit the shelves next week, you know they've already manufactured the discs, are they just going to destroy them now? Fuck you Paramount, now any movie you release on HD-DVD and not Blu-ray, I'll just hit up usenet and download the retail DVD instead of buying the Blu-ray. How fucking stupid are you? And fuck you Harry for being such a shameless shill, it's really, really sad. WE GET IT, YOU CHOSE HD-DVD. Now can you please offer equal coverage to BD or just stop posting anything HD related? And finally, fuck you Microsoft, for too many reasons to list here.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST

    WHat did Harry do?!

    by Chaka!

    Seriously ... he posted news, asked Paramount what their reasons were, then posted the Press Release. Now he's a sellout? Man, just come for the free news, and try not to slap the host on your way out

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST


    by Acappellaman

    One of two things: Either the store you saw the HD systems set up at were set up wrong, or there's something wrong with your eyesight, because high definition looks AMAZING. I can notice a HUGE difference, but it could also depend on the movie you're watching. I wouldn't care about watching some soap opera drama in HD, but an action/sci-fi movie with lots of special effects? HELL yes! The picture is so friggin crisp, it really makes a difference when you watch it on a good HDTV. Even regular DVDs look great when you watch them on an HD player. I can't tell you how many movies I've watched on my PS3 now, and they all look incredible, but the Blu Ray movies are stunning.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Bill Gates must be really good at sucking dick...

    by rhcp2sweet

    Why else would Harry be so hardcore HD?

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST


    by Junior Frenger

    The problem lies in the fact that Harry has attempted to convince people that the $150 million dollar payout from microsoft has nothing to do with the studios decision. That's why it's a shill piece and that is why Harry is being taken to task. His posture towards his readers is blatantly insulting.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    To those who have seen HDDVD and BluRay

    by BringingSexyBack

    is it markedly better than the movies you can watch online at Netflix? Because they look pretty damned good on my monitor.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST


    by greigy just wanted to say

    It's not like someone stuck a fucking gun to your head to go. You had fun, you played... STOP WHINNING..!!

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST

    BY THE WAY..

    by greigy just wanted to say


  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST

    HD DVD does not have better codecs

    by joevfx

    you guys are stupoid, all newer blu ray movies have the same exact codecs as hd dvd. and by the wya, paramount was releases better codecs on blu ray then they were hd dvd, hence the reason hd dvd paid them off. i hopoe it was worth it cause with the cheap players toshiba is sellign and the big money they are wasteign on exclusives they have to be reachign the bottom of there bank super fast.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST


    by Junior Frenger

    Guess he didn't delete my post... it wasn't there a minute ago.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST

    CDI...... NEVER SAY NEVER...!!

    by greigy just wanted to say


  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST


    by greigy just wanted to say


  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Also Chaka...

    by SpreadLegsNotWar

    "then shortly thereafter, I received a phone call from Rob Moore, President Worldwide Marketing, Distribution and Home Entertainment for Paramount Pictures" Got big HD-DVD news? Give Harry a call and he'll post that shit on his website tout de suite and not even make mention of the $150M in payola they got to go exclusive. That's another reason why people are bagging Harry for this, he's such a blatant shill for them it's sickening.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST


    by Batutta

    The post clearly says the Indiana Jones films and films Steven directs will be available in BOTH formats, HD DVD and Blu-Ray. My money is still on HD DVD for the simple reason that it's cheaper to produce and buy, the same reason VHS won out despite Betamax's higher quality. Also, Sony is too proprietary with their hardware.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    the bitching.....

    by rorschach83

    is too much. im guessing its because you cant afford these shiny new players. i have both via the xbox ad on and ps3 and i prefer hd due to it being non region encoded. but really the picture is identical to the naked eye. i have more hd dvds since they have the better library so far (mainly down to universal), in fact bar clerks 2 and the host all my hd discs are from universal, warner or sony (blu rays). if you guys have seen 300 or batman begins, or the thing or children of men, eternal sunshine, the prestige or even the fucking road warrior in HD and still think, fuck it ill stick with my standard def dvds then i dont think you can call yourself a true lover of film. which is what this site is about, no? if the cost of a hdtv, ps3+xbox/combo player is too much dont whine about it endlessly in the hope of blu ray winning and prices comming down. i mean, shit, you yanks annoy me when i import hd discs for under 20 dollers from your shores and would have to stump up almost 60 dollors a movie in the uk for ONE MOVIE it annoys me about the whining regarding cost. i like what Hercules said about both being able to co exist. why not? having both formats i want that to happen. why do you need ONE format to win? its high picture and sound quality for movies not fucking highlander.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    This is tough one...

    by Alfred_Packer

    I jumped into the DVD bandwagon headfirst in early 1997, and now own almost 2000 DVD's. I consider myself an enthusianst for good quality home video, but I'm just not ready to pick either one of these formats. I do know a couple truths though: 1) I want to hold the movie in my hand. The day things are available via download only will be sad one. Trust me, you dont want it to ever come to a point where you give the studios, or worse, the federal government, be able to tap in a couple keystrokes,and presto, you no longer are able to see a movie anymore. Anyone remember that fuss over "The Tin Drum" a couple years back? In a download only world, I hate to see what the effect of a couple thousand irate busybodies writing letters could do. Two other words should scare the heck out of anyone advocating a download only world. Forced advertising. 2) Can Sony Be Trusted? Ok, more paranoia, but do you trust Sony not to try some more underhanded shit? I have serious doubts about handing them the keys to the next home video format. That reason alone has automatically rooting for HD-DVD. And hi def discs for movies just isnt the revolution the DVD was. Sure, movies look great, but I am sure not gonna replace/rebuy my entire collection like many did for VHS. The picture is improved, but all the other bennies that got Joe Public to switch to DVD arent there in high def. Widescreen presentation, no tape to get tangles, and no more rewinding/fast forwarding. Thats why people went to DVD. A super duper picture is nice, but those other reasons were the reason many love DVD and jumped on board. If people gave a shit about quality, they wouldnt be listening to ALL their music now on crappy mp3 systems. In the music world, people are actively GIVING UP quality for convienence in droves. Why would anyone except the former laserdisc dynamic give a shit about hi def discs at this point? What do they offer over the previous format besides an improved picture? As it stands right now, I dont see myself going with either new format anytime soon. In 1997, it was just a matter of WHEN the studios were going to come around to DVD. Now in 2007, having to roll dice to choose a format means no choice at all, not when DVD is just fine. Yeah, Ill upgrade to a new format, but only when it gets to the point that they dont release a new movie on the old one. I have my widescreen, instant chapter selection, and no tape eating. Hi def has a long ways to go to convince me its nothing more than a niche format, and worthy of any type of investment.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST

    No Star Wars or Indy Movies, No Sale

    by FookU

    My only interest in Blu-Ray winning is seeing Micro$oft get their ass handed to them. I don't care if you love or hate Sony, Micro$oft is the greater of those two evils. Just look at some of their business practices over the years.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    The truth is, neither of these formats will win.

    by GrantChastain

    and HERE'S WHY.<p>Generally speaking, most consumers haven't gotten to the stage where the quality of their television sets will support formats like 1080p, or even 720p/1080i. We're still talking about a society that, by and large, depends upon older technologies upon which to watch their shows. In addition... and as much as it pains me to say it out loud, it IS true... most people just can't tell much of a difference, and don't care that much to invest thousands of dollars into a new alternative.<p>In the meantime, we're starting to see more and more all-digital delivery methods, like Amazon's download service and Netflix On Demand. I believe one of these, or some alternate in-home delivery method, is the way movies will see distribution in the not-so-far-off future. We've gotten to the point where people prefer digital distribution of their music, and they trust that the digital files aren't going to become suddenly corrupted or lost, so CD sales have suffered. Once they get movies in an easy-to-obtain format like that on a centralized media server, that will end the format war as we know it. And don't think for a second that Microsoft and Apple aren't both on the cutting edge of making that a reality. Bank on them both being major players in this brave new world.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST


    by Snukadaman

    I didn't see this much hate even on the announcement that blockbuster was dropping hd-dvd. Get over it, neither format is making a impact on the market as we speak.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST

    I choose the .45 format

    by TheNothing

    Not the record - the gun. All the mindless haters have finally driven me to end it all. For Christ's sake people, it's not THAT big a deal. Like HD-DVD? Buy it. Like Blu-ray? Buy it. Like cheese? Buy it. Sit and enjoy it. The end.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST

    HARRY YOU ARE FUCKING WRONG and you really need to...

    by LordEnigma

    accept it. Seriously; Paramount are a moronic studio -- ran by morons like Universal -- and they will have to change their minds in less than a year. IF either of these to studios were ran by people with their own heads out of their own asses. They would never make such a castrophic decision in terms of ancillaries.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST


    by SpreadLegsNotWar

    ...until someone can figure out how to deliver a uncompressed 1080p picture with uncompressed audio to my house and my TV (fuck watching it on my computer) in under 15 minutes, digital distribution will not be preferable to BD or HD-DVD. Currently the backbone does not exist. Shit, cable companies can't even broadcast in 1080p, no less deliver on demand 1080p content.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    What Goes @ Comes @ Harry's got a blood clot

    by ThePilgrim

    He wont be around to take dirty money much longer... A little birdy told me this. HD-DVD is Watergate. Well this place has lots of those. A little money slipped under prying eyes to promote and or say nice things. The clock sand is running out, and Father & Son are closing shop sooner than they thought. But every geek must loose it's blanket and make way to the roof to the sun to the warm pussy that sees beyond the rims. Sitting there fat, stuffing your face doing nothing for so long. who do you blame... As Christopher Walken said... Cornflakes... There just Cornflakes..

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Because the wifi, bluetooth, satellite and cell tower waves are all destroying our brain cells.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Dreamworks and Paramount paid off to ditch Blu-Ray

    by Brendon

    Here's Nikki Finke's piece on it all: We're being shafted over by this whole format war. Either Blu-Ray wins or no-one does... and now it looks like no-one does. The next generation will most likely be bypassed now. Thanks Dreamworks, Paramount, Universal. Thanks a fucking bunch.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 6 p.m. CST

    For those who don't see a difference in HD

    by Cymbol

    Try using a HDTV to view it on, not your 17" computer monitor. And really, hi-def is for T.V.s 50" or bigger. Try watching DVD on a 65". Almost unwatchable. Upconverted DVDs to 1080p are pretty good, but once you watch the HD version, you just can't go back. What's funny is, the people who "can't" see the difference, seem to be the people who don't "own" a HDTV. The, "I saw it in store" comment doesn't fly. Most of those stores have branched signals (playing one movie from one player and break it down to 40 different T.V.s). You're not seeing the real picture. Just FYI.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Fuck both HD camps

    by Liberty Valance

    This medium was forced on the public before there was any demand for it in a blatant attempt to quickly replicate the runaway success of the DVD format. VHS was the predominant format for 20 years before dying out. Meanwhile DVD just celebrated its 10th birthday a few months ago, and didn't really take off until about 2000-2001. Like Alfred Packer said, DVD was a revolutionary upgrade from VHS in terms of picture and sound quality, special features, durability, convenience and affordability. HD and Blu-ray offer an incremental picture upgrade and a shitload more wasted disc space, and that's about it. For all the boasting these camps do about how much data these discs hold, special features haven't improved in quantity or quality at all, have they? Most consumers are still in the process of replacing their VHS, and now we're lured into buying the same flicks again for a marginally better picture? Fuck Sony and Toshiba. Fuck them in the asshole with a big rubber dick.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Cuz watching a movie on the toilet is great.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Harry! How dare you post your opinion...

    by The PimpDragon

    On your own fucking website! The shame of it all! You whiny fanboys fucking kill me! Go make your own "Can I Please Suck Sony Off" website and post all of your Blu-Ray lust posts. Then you can jerk it to your Blu-Ray all you want without Harry's HD-DVD man-lovins! CHRIST! Why the fuck do you care what Harry likes? Save us from the fanboys, Jeebus!

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 6:10 p.m. CST


    by HamsterDK

    You say you don't see the big deal in HD?? Well let me tell you that when you watch your movies with a an HD projector on a 100" silverscreen the difference in quality is staggering. I have more than 500 hundred regular DVD and they simply became obsolete the day I set up my projector. The resolution of regular DVD is just way too small to be blown up to 100 inches. It becomes blurry and blocky whereas HD looks impossibly sharp and crisp. I would say that if your screensize is 46" or above you should change to HD. Anything less and regular DVD with upscaling will look fine.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Marginal picture upgrade...?

    by Mr. Osato

    you are either using 3 inch thick glasses, or are blatantly retarded. This announcement only prolongs the excruciating death of HD-DVD. And I hope that whore of a shill Harry chucks his player out of the window.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Paramount has chosen HD DVD... Here's why...

    by polyh3dron

    $150 million in Microsoft moneyhats just feels right. Harry likes the moneyhats too.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST


    by Wilclas

    Hail the mighty XBOX360!

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST

    I just got a 360 Add-On, but here's why I figure...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    it won't matter in the end for me. Let's say HD-DVD wins. I'm already there, go me. Let's say BLU-RAY wins. It's probably not going to happen for a while, years, I figure. I figure by the time it does, combo players are going to be pretty reasonably priced, so I'll have my 360 add-on for my HD-DVDs, and I'll get a combo player to play those HDDVDs, and play the Blu-Rays I'll have to get. Either way, don't think it's going to be that big a deal.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST


    by Bartleby T. Scrivener

    "the decision was made at a tech level, an economic level and about a cost delivery level to the public". No, it was made when 100 million dollars ended up at Dreamworks, and 50 million landed at Paramount. Technicians don't make 150 million dollar decisions.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Exacly, iamnicksaicnsn!

    by Wilclas

    Praise the lord!

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    By the way, I watched The Thing on HDDVD last night...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    and I was shocked by the quality and the colors on just the opening UFO sequence. Also the 360 Add-On is advertised this week for 180 with the 300 HDDVD for free, including King Kong and the 5 you get for free in the mail... (heh, sorry for the shilling)

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Headline: Paramount commits home entertainment Sepuku!

    by Veraxus

    So special olmpics contestants are making important manufacturing and format support decisions for Paramount, now? Seriously, that's got to be the dumbest thing I've read since the announcement of Bloodrayne 2.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Coming this Holiday Season...

    by Bluereader

    A winner to all this crap. Either Sony will put out a under $300 Blueray Player or HD-DVD will win. With flat panel TV's dropping in price, many people (inc. me) will be buying them and they will also (like me) pick up which ever player is cheapest. Being a parent, the fact that Blueray has Disney might push me to get that format - also I'm a Mac and Apple is supporting the Blue, so there you go.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    beta max WAS better than vhs

    by MagicPhone

    by a long shot. So I'm not surprised that HD is beating the better format.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST


    by Pennsy

    Bare, per the NY Post's Page Six column today: "She's been shy about bearing her bod every since her racy Gear magazine spread hit stands in 2000, but Jessica Biel plans to shed her threads in the upcoming movie "Powder Blue," which co-stars Forest Whitaker. Us Weekly reports that she'll play a "stripper trying to earn money to raise her terminally ill son," and audiences will get an eyeful. Biel "signed a contract that explicitly details the bare minimum fans will see - including shots of her breasts and butt," a source dished to the glossy."

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Downloadable Content

    by JaggedSac

    Everything is going to be downloadable in the future. If you think otherwise your a dumb cunt. Buying CDs will shortly go the way of the dodo and so will buying movies on discs. It is not a bad thing. Network bandwidths are constanly being improved. We will be seeing 100MBPS home internet within the next 10 years guaranteed. Hell games are already doing it with Valve's Steam service. ID Software is jumping on their bandwagon. All I see are upsides. Hell if it gets to the point where we can just stream hi def content from massive servers without even having a hard drive I really dont see a problem. No more disc printing costs, no more shipping costs, no more of any of that bullshit. Distribution costs will be cut to a fraction of what they are now. Microsoft got where they are because they know business and they know it well. I don't care what anyone says .Net and C# kick fucking ass(no matter what you say there isn't that much of a performance hit). Neither Blu-Ray or HD-DVD will become mass market because soon incredibly high speed internet will be as common as paying for electricity. Microsoft knows that downloadable content is the way to go because they are making money off of it as we speak. There is only the cost of hiring server mainanance people and the cost of the servers themselves. Anything else is just data being saved onto. Embrace technology.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 7:01 p.m. CST


    by haitu

    There is already a relatively cheap blue-ray hdvd player coming out. who the fuck cares.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Dataset has chosen Divx and here's why

    by Dataset

    Damn near DVD quality, six films per disc with surround sound, and easy dvd ripping. Screw the pirates online. Rip it yourself just like your cd's. A 500 gig hard drive and no more huge shelves of discs. I have a PS3 and love blu-ray by the way. So for movies I can't live without, I buy blu-ray. For my library titles and TV series, I rip and store.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    anyone who says they can't see the difference

    by slappy jones

    is either stubbornly lying or has not seen either format properly displayed. I almost cried when I set my new player up and saw the quality difference....because it made me want to torch my entire dvd collection.anyone who says they cannot see the difference between standard definition discs and the new hi-def formats hasn't seen it. The difference is amazing...some of them almost looke three dimensional. It is really amazing.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Glad i have both players WHEEEE!

    by dead youngling

    they both look great.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    I've with Dataset and here's why .... ,

    by BringingSexyBack

    I watch all my movies on a 4.5" screen Archos anyway. Tiny is where the future is at, bitches.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Smell Jessica Alba's ass in high definition scent-o-rama.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    The future of interactive entertainment. Jessica Alba will reach out and tickle your taint. Well worth the $300.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Who cares which format will win?

    by BringingSexyBack

    We're all going to die from another ice age anyway. Let's all bang Midol Girl while there's still time.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Why I Chose HD DVD

    by Henryhill76

    So, I purchased the $299 Toshiba HD DVD player last week. Basically, it was a measured decision due to the following: it was time for a new DVD player and for the price, I decided to take a chance and upgrade. Pretty much everything I've read states that there won't be a clear cut winner for at least a year or more. Not to mention, I put in a few of my standard DVD discs and the upconvert picture quality is AMAZING. I was finally able to recreate the pristine images of Michael Mann's "Collateral" and "Miami Vice" that I witnessed in the theater (projected in digital), plus "Hot Fuzz" and so many others look incredible now as well. Granted, I have a widescreen DLP Samsung TV that helps the images, but this was a nice investment. Bottom line- I'll buy a few HD DVD discs here and there, but for $300 and the ability to upconvert my standard DVD's for the next two years into stunning quality is well worth it for me, no matter what format wins. I think if that works for you as individual, then choose your format and have fun!

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Peter Franks is an idiot

    by grandlarseny

    first off, where the hell does someone who reads and posts on aintitcool get off on calling the rest of us "fanboys" in such a derogatory way? second, not everyone wins in a format war. blu-ray trumps hd dvd in a few years. evryone with an hd dvd player and lots of invested dollars in teh format "lose" because they are now stuck with a dead technology. we're not all wealthy enough to own both formats like you asshole. personally, i want hd-dvd to win because it will ultimately be cheaper. beta was the technologically superior format 25 or 30 years ago, but vhs still won because it was cheaper for both consumers and manufacturers. if i was a betting man, i'd bet hd-dvd.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Piss On Them All, & The Format Wars They Rode In On

    by chromedome

    They can both BITE me.<p>When there is a universal format player for 150 bucks, call me....<p>to show that I despise them both impartially, I post this in both the BluRay and HD DVD talkbacks. Full Disclosure Reigns Supreme

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Harry. You really should stop commenting on this war.

    by ELGordo

    First of all the cost issues regarding the disc production have ALWAYS been known. <p> A Paramount tech guy is not revealing something profound here. Everybody knows it's more expensive to produce BD discs but if Paramount is claiming that that is the reason for their action then what about the other studios? Why does a small company like Anchor Bay go BD if it's more expensive? Why? Because it sells better. Simple as that. <p> And do you really think that the Paramount tech guy isn't selling you something? Do you really think that what he says to you are his own thoughts? And do you really think that Microsoft's money had nothing to do with this? <P> Please stop commenting on this issues because you will just get shit from the readers and you've continously made an ass of yourself by spouting utter crap regarding the formats.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    And why does Paramount personaly call Harry?

    by ELGordo

    And not any of the site that actually cover the DVD and HD formats. Why didn't the call The Bits, probably the largest and best DVD site in the world? <p> I think I know.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Which one is Vivid backing?

    by torontoxic

    Hey r tards, why not just play them through your computer? I can play either format right from the very PC I'm typing this on. For free. Yup no 1000 or 300 or even 1 dollar player needed. <P> In most cases it's human error trying to be fixed with technology. This time it's technology being fixed with pay offs (ie human error)? <P> What a waste of time.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Fanboys are hilarious

    by cobb1138

    especially the douche from the digital bits. Everybody likes to scream bloody murder about the rumored $150m hddvd paid to paramount/dreamworks. What about the payoff to blockbuster to only back bluray? Or did they just happen to decide on bluray after announcing record losses by coincidence? When hddvd does it its a shady practice but when sony does it its okay. Or how about the fact that apple comp. is a backer of bluray and Steve Jobs is the majority shareholder in disney. Must be another coincidence that disney is blueray exclusive. Another thing is the issue of sony developing a format for movies when they own their own movie studio and then selling the technology to other companies. "If you dont use bluray thats fine. You just wont ever see a sony movie or any of the other studios we have sewn up to support the other format". Sounds a little shifty to me. Toshiba created dvd. Toshiba created hddvd. Toshiba does not own their own movie studio. Yes toshiba, not microsoft. The only reason microsoft backed hddvd is because apple backed bluray. I love the fact that all these articles are stating that "microsoft" was "rumored" to have paid 150m to paramount/dreamworks while slagging the evil microsoft corp. If I knew that they were handing in this "news" in the form of hand written notes or on an apple computer their slander might have some merit to me. But something tells me that 90% of them were done on windows xp or higher. I'm not defending planet gates, I just want to discredit saint sony. If any body knows anything about the consumer electronics industry its that sony is the microsoft of that world. You regularily pay a premium price for anything with a sony badge. Not to mention betamax, minidisc, sacd and umd. All formats that were forced upon the consumer by sony and all rejected. And those a just a few examples of sonys ethical business practice. Thats why I dont understand this love for bluray and this disdain for hddvd.(I own both and love both) Do people really want the ps3 to succeed that badly? Are all the haters just mad that the ps3 isn't good for much else other than bluray? I dont know and I dont care. I just wanted to point out some things that many people are overlooking. All this format war is going to do is drive down prices. If there was no hddvd you would have paid $750 for your ps3's and standalone bluray would still be $1300. If you like bluray buy bluray. If you like hddvd buy hddvd. But quit fuckin whinin whenever hddvd gets touted by anybody. Flame away ps3 owners flame away.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 8:05 p.m. CST

    They Were Men, Once.


    "They were once men - great kings of cinema. Then Knowles the deceiver gave to them nine pre-release discs of power. Blinded by their high resolution, they took them without question. One by one they've fallen into darkness. Now they are slaves to Harry's will. They are the Nerdsgul. Geekwraiths, neither living nor dead. At all times they feel the presence of the Disc, the Final Format, drawn to the odor of the One." <br><Br> Sorry. I'm feeling peculiarly LOTR tonight.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Both formats are excuses to drive up other sales...

    by NoCalFlicks

    Seriously. If you go into Best Buy or Frys and buy a blu-ray or HD-DVD player....the next thing you will be told is how your current TV won't play these movies up to their full potential and then you need a new HD Receiver, and then your wires aren't good enough, then your speakers need to be upgraded. At this point, both formats are just a reason for electronic stores to push the sale of home theater equipment. Lets get serious here, we are still at least approx 2 years away from Blu-Ray and/or HD-DVD discs to be as cheap as DVDs, so why even spend the extra money NOW, to have it. If everyone just held onto their money for awhile, you will end up saving hundreds in the long run. Also, we are also about 1 technological advancement away from the naked eye not being able to tell the difference anymore. Everyone is aware that they are already producing the next next-gen line of TVs called "Ultra-HD" it blows away today's aspect ratio and pixel rates. The problem is, the naked eye cannot even tell the difference, so in about 10 years be prepared to start buying products based on hypothetical specs.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST

    implosion approaching

    by MC-909

    This bullshit (bluray v. HD-DVD) is fucking ridiculous. I'd be willing to bet the average consumer, i.e.: non-movie/tech geek, simply won't care anymore. This is the exact reason I stopped collecting baseball cards 16 years ago: they flooded the market with too much stuff to keep up with. <p> What kind of business plan is that? I'll tell you what kind it is: it's the kind they use to keep your mind off of all the other crap going on in the world. Seriously, there's a "war" between bluray and hd-dvd? Isn't there some other "war" going on that we should be a little bit more worried about?

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Fact or Fiction...........

    by jegoing74

    Blu-Ray is a more durable disc than HD-DVD? I read Sony coats their discs with some super epoxy and it's resistant to damage.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 8:22 p.m. CST


    by Redfive!

    Microsoft paid off Paramount to exclude BR So they could keep this war going.Why becuase MS Has a better chance is striking out the home video market when it has its hands in the pot and can make the only way of viewing movies at home through download only. Read between the lines people MS Isnt about disc to buy its about download only.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    These will be obsolete before the format war ends

    by INWOsuxRED

    everything is going to be streaming and downloading by the time these assholes get their act together. This shit is a bump in the road. Everything will be on-demand and Alberto Gonzales will know what you watch and when you watch it. If you watch one too many Michael Moore movies, or one too many Gangbangs, you're off to Git-mo.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Why does every movie on Blu-ray look slightly bluish?

    by Darth_Inedible

    I mean the picture is nice and all but it's like watching films with tinted sunglasses on. Is this a weakness of the blue-laser tech? I guess some can overlook this but I chose HD-DVD because of the accurate color reproduction.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST

    I have a HDDVD and love it. And this made my weekend

    by Stormwatcher

    Cuz I hates me some Sony. If you can't run a successful business and loose money year to year and only appear good because you dump money into marketing, then you suck. And Blue Ray discs (some of them) have rot issues (dealt with now) but really. This is sweet cuz now I might not have to buy a Blue Ray cuz I would never buy a PS3 and support Sony, was going to buy a LG Blue Ray but screw it, Paramount and Universal are the biggest, Sony and Fox make Crap and Disney other than Pixar is irrelevant to me. Sweeeeeeeeet! Is Content still king Digital Bits? Screw You. THose guys are sooo much more bias than Harry.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Harry The Blu-Ray Whore

    by quantize

    Dude, like your taste in films you sure do know how to back losers..

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    This Means Nothing

    by twitchinmonkey

    The only relivant part of this story is Spielberg refusing to go along with this idiotic deal. Now, if Microsoft is able to cut a big enough check to convince Warners/New Line to go HD-DVD exclusive, then the HD-DVD camp might have something to crow about, but considering Warners just made 3 times as much on the 300 blu-ray as they did on HD-DVD, it would have to be a pretty fuckin' big check.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 9:03 p.m. CST

    the shilling on AICN continues for HD DVD...

    by lynxpro

    Gee, no mention of Paramount receiving $50 million from Microsoft via the Toshiba/HD DVD Forum proxy guaranteeing this exclusivity? And Mr. Paramount personally calls up Harry over this? I think we need to buy some Miracle Gro for distribution on this site because I smell total plant. At least Spielberg knows which format to support.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Fuck this war! I'm going back to Laser Disc.

    by glodene

    I still got my Heart of Darkness: Making of Apocalypse Now Documentary and some old VHS Porn..So who needs to become a pawn in this Big Studio Pissing Match.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST


    by the projectionist


  • Aug. 20, 2007, 9:15 p.m. CST

    the only factor that should really matter is

    by I87D

    disc capacity. that's it. that's real limit to the format's potential. not codec or programming language. those are negligible if you run out of space on the disc itself. the capacity isn't negotiable. just wanted to add that... i think we can all agree that the main purpose of an HD format is to show material in the least compressed form with as much data as possible. so i'm just saying this since i haven't seen the word capacity mentioned too much yet in favor of the other terms...

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    paramount suck on my hdmi cable you assholes

    by skiff

    paramount are not getting any more of my money for a very long time. I hope the new startrek crashes like the last one did. Just wait for the cracked hddvds to show up on the torrents download em and burn them on bluray. Burner prices should start coming down soon.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 9:18 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Free low-cut sweater with every 10-pack.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 9:28 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Only Shia movies, and that's all anyone needs.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 9:29 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Rub them on your balls for extra Shiarific pleasure.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Exclusive disc for PIMPS UP! HOES DOWN!! complete series in special edition nappy box sets.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    To get back at the MAN.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Microsoft should just bend over and spread their cheeks

    by Mr. Osato

    to make the reaming from Blu-Ray, that much easier. 150 mil to buy 3 movies and prolong a war. Thanks Paramount for fucking yourselves out of money from my wallet.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 9:36 p.m. CST

    I'll buy a hybrid player WHEN I have to...

    by crieff405

    ...and only then, if it's multi-region. Really, does Blu-Ray or HD really offer me anything I don't already have? No, and that's the point. Hollywood knows still that their older films are more popular, have more staying power and, truth be told, were better. They want me to buy it again, and I'm sorry I just don't care. They could have at least tried to make me think DVDs are more EASILY scratched, or wear out, or perhaps even manufactured them this way so I would need a new format...but no, as it stands, I don't need this crap.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Scratch N' Sniff of Jessica's butt on every disc.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 9:40 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Coupon for free buttseks.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Awesome! Hopefully HD-DVD wins.

    by Orionsangels

    So I can stop referring to my movies as a fish. I caught a Blu-Ray yesterday! I'm gonna mount it on my wall.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 9:48 p.m. CST

    money drips out of microsofts asshole

    by skiff

    paramount will not be getting any of my money for a very lomg time. Lick up that money paramount hmmmmmmm tasty

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST

    kelley avery's ass must be some sore

    by skiff

    I wonder who brought the lube microsoft or toshiba. Can we say xbox live downloads awesome!

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 10 p.m. CST

    LOL at Spielberg's bit. He is soo pissed at paramount

    by Proman1984

    But we, his fans are happy to have options.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 10:06 p.m. CST

    the reality

    by movieManiac

    the reality is that even if HD DVD "wins" this is no longer an all or nothing format war. Blu Ray will always stay mainly because of the need of high capacity discs for next gen games. The PS3 system will need BD for games in the next 5-10 years of its product lifespan and by the end of it BD will be well established and will definitely be around. Listen to Shpielberg.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Don't concern me none.

    by sluggo72

    I can't afford a Blue Ray DVD or a HD-DVD palyer at the moment, and even if I could, I still have a piece of shit TV that would not do the disc justice, (DVD's look pretty shit on it at the moment). By the time I could afford them, players will be cheap enough to have both players in the lounge room, and the disc will be bargain basement prices. As long as the studios that support BOTH formats release the SAME features on both formats, I could not care less.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 10:09 p.m. CST

    I hope HD-DVD does win. I own them both here's my take

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    I have no bias. I do not work in the film industry. I am simply put a fan of movies. That's it. It ends there for me and my association with film. <BR> <BR> I also own both an HD-DVD player and a PS3. Without a doubt HD-DVD blows away the Blu-Ray in every area. Be it more features, the codec it's used since the beginning that Blu-Ray has now RECENTLY adopted to be on par with picture quality. But the most important thing where HD-DVD shines is the quality of available films vs Blu-Ray. I could give a rats ass about movies like POTC being exclusive to Blu-Ray when I am able to get movies like Casablanca which is ONLY on HD-DVD. There are so many more that to name them all would make me a whore for taking up so much space on this TB. Do the research yourself. Compare the HD-DVD releases to the Blu-Ray and answer honestly, which movies if you had to pick would you like in your collection that are exclusive. The answer is easy unless you truly love shitty movies. <BR> <BR> Now with this new news about Paramount it looks like Harry and the rest of us who said HD-DVD was and is the better format are having a last laugh at all you Blu-Ray fanboys. That's HUGE kick in the scrot for Blu-Ray. <BR> <BR> I only 4 Blu-Ray movies folks VS 30 HD-DVD titles. Not because I can't afford to buy more Blu-Rays but because again most of the movies on that format suck ass. In addition if I have a choice between buying an HD-DVD or Blu-Ray for dual releases it's easy hands down the HD-DVD release. 300 is a PERFECT example of why HD-DVD is by far the superior product. <BR> <BR> Way to go Harry in predicting this a few months back. <BR> <BR> And as far as why I bought a PS3? Well I got a 20gig one for $300.00 so why not at that price? I mean there will be a few exclusives on Blu-Ray that I'll want and fuck it, I got the disposable income to blow and prefer to have my movies in HD vs SD.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Why so much hate for Sony? Microsoft is no better.

    by FookU

    I don't get the massive hate directed at Sony when Microsoft is just as bad. They want to own all digital markets and they will because people are too stupid to see what they are up to. So go buy a PC with Vista and get and XBOX360, a Zune and a PocketPC. The OS market has matured and they are trying to find other ways of overtaking markets whether it be gaming consoles, mp3 players and yes even xbox live downloads. They are doing the same thing they did in the PC industry years ago and the sheep are gonna let them right in.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 10:15 p.m. CST

    And lynxpro and the rest of you calling Harry a shill

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Are a bunch of fucking retards. You ever meet Harry asshole? I have. Nicest guy in the world and by far if you've met him and talked to him you would realize your statement is total garbage. Harry does this site for the love of film. That's it. He makes enough to get by. He's not pimping HD-DVD because he's getting paid you fucking moron. He's pimping it because IT'S BETTER! That's it. End of story. No shilling. Sure he likes some stuff I cannot stand, Eli Roth being one of them (sorry Harry). That does not make him a shill does it? Just means he has some bad taste IMO on certain things and he likes what he likes. But this whole HD-DVD thing is based on facts. I've listed a lot of them in the other post I made. So seriously, you idiots who keep on trumping that shill angle... let it go. It makes you sound retarded. <BR> <BR> And don't be mad Harry at my bust on Eli. I am just not a fan. We can agree to disagree ;-)

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST


    by Pennsy

    I miss the Pounder, though.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Blu-ray actually uses the best codec...

    by lynxpro

    While both formats support all three of the same video codecs (MPEG2, VC-1, AVC H.264 MPEG4) only Blu-ray has the large number of movies encoded in AVC. Just about every Disney and Sony studio release is in AVC. AVC is better than Microsoft's VC-1 at the same exact bit rate. Blu-ray's maximum transfer rate per second is twice that of HD DVD so it can seriously pump out the best picture and uncompressed sound unlike HD DVD. Of course, with the phony support that Paramount formerly gave along side Warner Bros., both studios used the same encoding process for both of their HD DVD and Blu-ray releases so their Blu-ray releases were unable to show off the true power of the format. If anyone actually thinks Microsoft will allow any studio to release an HD DVD title encoded using AVC, think again. Now, is it true that the older Blu-ray releases used MPEG2? Yes, because Sony doesn't like paying Microsoft royalties, and if the transfer is decent and the bit rate is kicked up, then there's no reason MPEG2 can't look just as good - if not better - than VC-1. VC-1 shines on weak/cheap decoder chips whereas AVC takes a lot of muscle to decode. That's why computers that had chips before say an Intel Core Duo didn't decode the format well. As for the web features of HD DVD, I think they are crap. Give me higher quality bit rates over temporary web content that will be pulled offline in a year. I think people learned from such gimmicks in the early part of DVD; I guess not. I have my fingers crossed that Sir Ridley Scott will impress upon Warner's to release the Blu-ray Blade Runner versions encoded in AVC.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 10:28 p.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    Hey wanker, if Harry "loved" film so much then he would own both formats, or at least support the superior platform. HD DVD is not better than Blu-ray, period. Do yourself a favor and read up on the specs of both formats and then come back and say HD DVD is better. Its not. It does not have the scratch resistant properties of the disc coating like Blu-ray does and that is very important when you rent discs from the likes of NetFlix and Blockbuster. HD DVD does not aggressively support the AVC codec which is the best video presentation quality for any film. HD DVD does not have the total storage capacity that Blu-ray has; nor does it have enough space to support uncompressed audio like Blu-ray does. All of those items are important for true film fans. The shilling charge stands.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    Toshiba wasn't the sole inventor of DVD. Toshiba AND Time Warner via Warner Home Video hold most of the patents to DVD. Sony was also another contributor to that patent portfolio. Both Toshiba and Time Warner would like to see their profits gained from that patent portfolio carried over to the successor technology, which is HD DVD. Most of the rest of the consumer electronics industry got tired of paying to line the pockets of these two companies and so they backed Blu-ray. So with practically Toshiba being the only hardware manufacturer making HD DVD units, who'd they turn to subsidize their losses? Yep, you guessed it, Microsoft. Wanna know how? Look at the preferred video codec that HD DVD supports. Is it an industry standard like MPEG2 was or MPEG4 is turning out to be? Nope, the codec of choice is Microsoft's own VC-1, also known as Windows Media 9. In terms of platform software, who did Toshiba go with to provide HD DVD's interactivity? Did they use a modified version of the industry standard Java? Nope...they went with Microsoft's iHD/HDi/whatever their calling the software this month. Who makes the Zune for Microsoft? Toshiba...and guess what Toshiba had to do for that? Reduce their support for their existing MP3 portable player the Gigabeat, which also used Microsoft software. Who makes the HD DVD add-on drive for Microsoft's Xbox360? Toshiba...until Microsoft finds a cheaper supplier. To borrow a term from the old commie playbook, Microsoft sees Toshiba as its latest "useful idiot". If Microsoft has to spend $1 billion from their $60 billion war chest to prop up a company like Toshiba in order to hurt Sony's finances, they will. If you want to talk to other companies who were former Microsoft "useful idiots", go talk to Sega or Sendo. The Sega Dreamcast was the proto-Xbox, and consequently, Sega no longer is a hardware manufacturer. There's a lesson to be learned climbing into bed with the pencil-necked Beast of Redmond.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST

    lynxpro wow you are so misinformed.

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Are you fucking kidding me? Blu-Ray uses the best Codec??? HAHAHAHAHA!!! Blu-Ray just adopted the SAME codec that has been used by HD-DVD on their most recent releases. Do you want to know why? Well it's because the codec they were using was an older MPEG2 codec that looked like shit on Blu-Ray movies. Fifth Element anyone? You really look like a tool right now and any argument you were trying to make in defense of Blu-Ray just went into the toliet with that one statement of Blu-Ray and their codecs. Holy shit dude you are dumber then paint. <BR> <BR> And as far as uncompressed audio. Wow man. The Matrix box set on HD-DVD offers uncompressed True HD audio tracks. You really have no fucking idea what you are talking about lol!

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST

    M$ wants both to fail, so they can push downloads

    by captain_sulu

    this is anything but good. only reason this is happening is microsoft wants to prolong this fight until they can sort out HD downloads, which you won't be able to resell/lend/borrow/etc. fuck microsoft and DRM laden files. at least with a physical disk you can do whatever with it. we all lose in the end.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    Get your facts straight. Blu-ray is not proprietary, and in fact, has more hardware support than HD DVD. You cite Sony's format failures. Funny, I seem to recall the CD being very successful. They also had a hand with DVD, and that has been a stellar success. Ever heard of the 3.5" floppy disc? Yep, Sony did that. As for Betamax, yes it did ultimately fail in the consumer marketplace but its been the standard for tv studios since the late 70s. There's even DigiBeta which the BBC uses to shoot *Doctor Who* on. That's a Sony product. If you count the PS1 and the PS2 as their own formats, they've been rather successful. And even with their missteps, at least they've been quality, unlike say Microsoft's Bob, WindowsME, UltimateTV, the Zune, etc.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    You really don't know anything, do you? Look up AVC. HD DVD "supports" it but no disc has been released encoded with it. You want to bring up *The Fifth Element* on Blu-ray? Fine. The first edition was released using MPEG2 and it was a bad transfer. Guess what? Sony released a new version encoded in AVC and anyone with the old copy can send it in to Sony and they'll replace it for free with the new version. Did Microsoft do that with WindowsME? Did they let Joe Average send in their copy to be swapped out for a free copy of WindowsXP? Nope. You keep on bringing up old information. VC-1 is not better than AVC. Learn, fool.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST

    lynxpro, HD-DVD was using the CODEC before Blu-Ray

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    What can't you figure out about that? Did you not learn how to read? <BR> <BR> Blu-Ray only recently adopted the same codec that has been used by HD-DVD since HD-DVD came out. Hence why 1st gen Blu-Ray movies look like shit when you compare them to 1st gen HD-DVD's because HD-DVD has used the proper codec since the starting gate with Blu-Ray only recently following HD-DVD's lead. <BR> <BR> Also do you own an HD-DVD player or a Blu-Ray lynxpro? I own both so I am speaking from being an actual user and hands down HD-DVD looks better then Blu-Ray. Hands down there are better titles on HD-DVD then Blu-Ray. Hands down there are more features on HD-DVD then on any Blu-Ray release. And hands down you are a fucking retard.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST


    by Turd Furgeson

    Honestly Harry, this is pretty cool to witness this war unfold right before our geeky eyes, but can you just start reviewing shit again... We've had like 5 reviews from you since March... I know life is busy but it's the price you pay for being the coolest really fat geek around.... Now go get your fucking shine box.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 11:19 p.m. CST

    I love sony just got a new xbr hmmmmm

    by skiff

    can't wait for id4 on bluray

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Hey Badcrumble...

    by TheBladehelm

    And all the others who ask, "Who cares?" and "Why are they talking about it on AICN?"...<br><br>I, for one, care. And DO think this is a good place to talk about it AND endorse one or the other. I haven't tried either, and frankly hope they both go away. But since that doesn't seem likely to happen, I will end up being forced to buy whichever of these two formats wins and takes over from standard DVDs.<br><br>That being said, I want to buy whichever one will still play the 200+ movies I already own on standard DVDs.<br><br>THAT being said, if HDDVD is going to do that for me, then Hallelujah, Hosanna, go tell it on the mountain Harry! In fact, change AICN to if you want to. ANYTHING to keep me from being forced to make technology changes I don't want to.<br><br>Further, this is a fan website devoted to "Cool News" and the big hairy Harry telling me I don't need to buy The Big Lebowski AGAIN seems like pretty frigging Cool News to me.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST

    And yes, FORCED...

    by TheBladehelm

    With electronics these days being about as durable as as toothbrushes and razors, they have become almost disposable commodities. Long are we from the days of bringing in your electronics for repair, and FORGET trying to service them yourself. So in the end, when my cheap ass, under $100, DVD player stops working, I will be FORCED to by whatever is available at that time. Or stop watching movies. But come on, that ain't gonna happen!

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST


    by Mattyboy122

    A Blu-Ray player will play your standard definition DVDs as well. Just thought I'd clarify that misconception.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Uh, Bladehelm

    by Dr. Chim Richalds

    both types of players play ordinary DVDs, so I wouldn't use that as your basis for a decision.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 11:48 p.m. CST

    AllPowerfulWizardOfOz, again you know nothing

    by lynxpro

    First off, Blu-ray as a platform has supported MPEG2, AVC, and the codec you are talking about (VC-1) since its inception. Sony did not want to use VC-1 and does not in any of their movie title releases. Sony now primarily uses AVC as a codec and Disney/Buena Vista uses it almost exclusively now too. Warner and Paramount were the studios who released Blu-ray titles in VC-1 in order to save money. They used the same transfer that they had created for their HD DVD releases. No HD DVD title release has been encoded using the superior AVC codec. Again, what you are referring to is VC-1 and it is inferior to AVC. Get a clue.

  • Aug. 20, 2007, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Blades of Glory? Transformers? Shreck the Third?

    by twitchinmonkey

    This is supposed to make me run out and buy an HD-DVD player? They could give me a player and all three of those movies and I still wouldn't waste a single minute of my time watching any of them. <p> This has helped me make one decision though, I'm only planning on buying one video game this month, and I was having trouble deciding between Bioshock & Metroid, but after this horseshit stunt Microsoft pulled today, they ain't getting any of my cash. Metroid it is

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 12:14 a.m. CST

    This is about movies, right?

    by snakecharmer

    We are all here because we love movies, right? Either format looks way better than dvd. Just a fact. I use blue ray but I won't talk shit about HD-DVD. It looks good. I sold electronics for years and the people who usually complained about buying new stuff and calling it a ripoff are the people that couldn't afford them. HATERS!!!. If you get a 1080p tv and either of the players... then, you see why spending a little is worth it. The new XBR4 is fucking amazing. I got my hands on one a week ago. WOW. WOW. Almost perfect but nothing is perfect. Look, if you want a 1080p set for cheap go to walmart or costco and get a vizio or something in the lower price bracket. 1080p dvd's display over two million pixels. 480p dvd's display a littlee over 300,000 pixels. anyways, viva la cinema. lates.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 12:22 a.m. CST

    no you know nothing lynxpro. Lets school you.

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    First up asshole. Here is a fine article that bust your bubble on the storage capacity vs HD-DVD and why the amount that is available cannot and won't ever be used on a Blu-Ray movie. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> Next up is exactly what I was talking about in regard to the recent movie by Blu-Ray to adopting their codecs to match that of the HD-DVD format. Here is a comparison of HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray 1st gen movies and a discussion on why the codecs used by Blu-Ray had to take up more space in comparison to their HD-DVD counter part. <BR> <BR> & <BR> <BR> Here's one on why the audio tracks are superior on HD-DVD <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> And as far as AVC, you are fucking dumb as dirt dude. HD-DVD has always had AVC in use with Blu-Ray only recently following suit. Read. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> But the main question you seem to have dodged there arm chair commando is do you own both formats? I do. That makes my opinion pretty fucking strong since I have no bias. Mine is based on actual usage. So please enlighten all of us here. Are you basing your comments of actual usage of both formats in your home or are you basing it on information because it's just what you read and or misinformed?

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Thank you Mattyboy and Dr.Chim

    by TheBladehelm

    I was done misconceived. I don't know where I got this idea about Blu-Ray being stingy, non-backwards compatible, assholes. But perhaps it's a sign of just how dirty and underhanded this whole thing has gotten.<br><br>I think Sony is still pissed off about losing out on Beta and are willing to do anything to get their format on top.<br><br>I don't really care who wins now, I just hope they don't go HD with porn. Who wants to see what a humping ass really look like? I won't even get into other body parts! Yuck!

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 12:24 a.m. CST


    by lost.rules

    The format that will win.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 12:26 a.m. CST

    The Bang Bus Chooses HDDVD, and here's why...

    by TheBladehelm

    I just realized it, but not only is in inevitable that will porn go HD, but whichever format they pick will probably determine the ultimate winner of this whole thing.<br><br>But again, do we really need high definition taints?<br><br>(Was use of the word "taints" going to far? Just wondering.)

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 12:42 a.m. CST


    by Mattyboy122

    It's a common misconception stemming from the fact that Blu-Ray uses a different technology than regular DVD (HD-DVD is something of an extension of DVD technology), but both next-gen players are certainly backward compatible, most of which even upscale your standard definition DVDs (which end up looking quite good, though not as good as a film from a high definition disc). And yes, high definition porn would not be a pretty sight. Surgery scars here, genital warts there. All Powerful, I'm kind of curious as to how you can say you have no bias and yet you say that HD-DVDs clearly look better than Blu-Ray discs (the same film on different formats, I mean). That's kind of hard to believe, but hey, if you say you see a difference, that's cool. Anyway, that article of yours does mention AVC with HD-DVD, but I've run through a list of past and future HD-DVD releases and none of the ones I came across used this codec (the overwhelming majority used the VC-1 codec, The Matrix included). Do you know of a title on HD-DVD that does/will utilize the AVC codec?

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Beyond disappointing... this tragedy

    by MoparSRT

    i can not fathem taht paramount and dreamworks would pull somethin like this non sence. it just doesnt make any sence to g o wioth a far more infearior product such as hd-dvd. i have seen many comparasions nd well frankly im sold on bluray as im sure many others are as well. So now i guess wi ill just buy a bluray burner and just burn my beloved transformers onto BR or jsut copy the dvd and upscale it on the PS3. but this a very sad day in all the movie industry and it proves once again that money and pussy make the world go. CHEAP FUCKIN BASTARDS I HIOPE THEY ALL ROT IN HELL!!!!

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST


    by jae683

    I have both, and I haven't seen anything that makes me believe HD-DVD is inferior in any way.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 12:56 a.m. CST


    by Mace Tofu

    only one more week! : ) I only watched the first 2 broadcast episodes so far. Keep fighting...

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 1:07 a.m. CST


    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    The comparison I make is based on what i posted earlier. Quality titles are more abundant on HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray and the 1st gen HD-DVDs by far blow away Blu-Ray in picture quality. I have a 47 inch LCD 1080p TV. Both player hooked up through HDMI. So yeah there is no bias. I could care less which one wins it's based on the types of movies I like and the quality in which they have been presented so for me that's where I come to my conclusion over which format is the superior. Quality movies, features, picture and audio HD-DVD has the advantage in all over Blu-Ray. <BR> <BR> As far as which HD-DVDs have used the AVC there are a few. Here's 3, U2 Rattle and Hum, Scary Movie 4 and The Interpreter all use the MPEG4 AVC format. Personally I prefer the VC-1 format because I've found the picture quality to be more smooth and film like.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST

    and update your firmware

    by Mace Tofu

    I have a RCA HD player and I installed a firmware update disc and now my player will play scratched rental disc- before the player would stop at any scratch on a disc. I can also play titles the player wouldn't load before. It's nice that the player can be upgraded this way. So far it's fixed any problem I had before. On the RCA site firmware page they have the number to call to order the disc- I had registered my player so they had my info on file and I had my FW disc in 4 days.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST

    All Powerful

    by Mattyboy122

    Ah, alrighty, yep, you're right, there are some HD-DVD's that use the AVC codec. Thanks for clarifying that for me.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Little food for thought

    by MoparSRT

    BD is winning :D there’s a lot of BD-stuff (computer recorders, disc) that you can already buy. hddvd is a virtual format - you cannot even see ads! moreover, when all companies from BD start to make equipment, the prices will fall. Blu ray is obviously superior. A microsoft pick is (by definition) inferior in virtually every technical way. Can’t wait for the viruses, etc that seem to be built into anything backed by that hacker company. Perhaps they can hire something other than high school addition to the stronger hardware support, blu-ray has content from 8 of the 9 major studios:sony, disney, fox, mgm, lionsgate, warner brothers (supports both formats), paramount (supports both formats), dreamworks (supports both formats), universal is the only studio that exclusively supports hd-dvd. CONTENT IS KING and over time the demand for movies from blu-ray supporters will determine who wins the format war. people forget that the reason betamax lost to vhs is because most of the studios backed vhs. sony isn’t making that mistake again and got studio support this time around. the critical mass of hardware manufacturers will allow blu-ray to close the gap on the only advantage there is currently with hd-dvd, player price. couple more points - why would you settle for a format with less storage capacity? on long movies (think LOTR) the bit rates will have to come down to fit all the video and audio information for a lesser quality picture versus blu-ray. but that doesn’t matter since from the get go you’re getting lesser quality video versus blu-ray. hd-dvd has only 1 player in the market that outputs at 1080p, all their other players are 1080i!

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Fuck em both

    by reflecto

    I am not replacing all the DVDs I own over this shit.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 1:32 a.m. CST

    MoparSRT - more food for thought on your facts

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Not true about there only being one player to output 1080p. The add on player for the XBOX 360 can output 1080p when using the new XBOX360 Elite which outputs from an HDMI cable and does 1080p graphics. <BR> <BR> & <BR> <BR> You are correct the Blu-Ray disc currently outpace those of HD-DVDs but that has more to do with 6 million PS3s being sold worldwide then a consumer who is simply looking for the next HD format. In that area HD-DVD players outpaced Blu-Ray stand alone players. We also have yet to see the results of the recent price drop of HD-DVD players VS the cost of the Blu-Ray and of course with this move from Paramount things are going to get very interesting. In addition the price point of the HD-DVD add on just dropped to $179.00 for the XBOX 360 and come before XMAS they are going to producing all 360's with HDMI and 1080p graphics. HD-DVD is by far not out of the game as the game is really just heating up.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Holding out for Holographic Versatile Disc,

    by Dingbatty

    or Protein Coated Disc (horrible name!). ;-) This current fight will probably be decided by upcoming versions of Final Fantasy. Oh, and to those who keep barking about downloads, yes, that is the wave of the future, but you still need a hardcopy, and discs have a more reliable and long lasting non-volatility than flash memory.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 2:02 a.m. CST

    BLU owns HD; BETA owns VHS; GORE owns BUSH

    by youridol

    For people who want facts check out the Blu-Ray and HD DVD entries at Wikipedia. HD is cheaper but inferior. The vast majority of people are stupid. VHS won. George Bush won. HD DVD will win.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 2:43 a.m. CST


    by RAVENL0RD

    This is getting annoying now. It is too bad that the studios are locked in a foolish format war. It is disgusting that I can't buy all the movies I want in high-def.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Both formats are already dead....

    by thinboyslim.

    This summer a new technology is being released that within 3 years will eclipse both BluRay and HD-DVD for speed and storage, that new technology is Holography. See here, the initial release of this tech will have 300Gb per disc, thats 6x more than both HD formats, within 3 years that would of grown to more than a terabyte per disc, thats over 200x more than a single sided DVD. I guarantee that both BluRay and HD-DVD will fight to the bitter end but ultimately Holography will win and anyway it sounds cooler.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 2:53 a.m. CST

    paramount just kicked all bluray owners in the face

    by skiff

    we will never forget this paramount. 1 18 08 crash and burn at the box office. this is not business it is insulting you told all the blurayers to go fuck themselves paramount.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Gimme a friggin break!

    by All5by5

    Freaking Blu Ray douches are seriously drinking the Coolaid. Keep quoting tech specs... CODEC this and storage capacity that. Put them side by side and TELL ME Blu Ray LOOKS better. Do it. If you're honest, you can't because it doesn't. Plain and simple. HD looks just as good if not better, has MUCH greater functionality, is cheaper and offers you dual format. How many people are buying standalone Blu Ray? PS3 (which blows) is the only reason this even being discussed, they are seriously padding the numbers even though that platform is falling on it's face.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 3:07 a.m. CST

    hddvd doesn't even have none scratch coating

    by skiff

    when you have a 50 gig disc that is very important. Oh wait hddvd can't hold 50 gig ! do we need to wear clean gloves to change discs on hd dvd or will paramount replace scratched discs.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 3:28 a.m. CST

    I read your little interview Harry...

    by wash

    and so no mention of the $150 mil. So again, another bug propaganda piece for the HD-DVD camp.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 3:29 a.m. CST


    by wash

    but bug propaganda has a nice ring to it.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 4:03 a.m. CST


    by ELGordo

    First of all, it's the general public who will decide which format will be the winner. The general public has no interest in Casablanca. Tech geeks, the main buyers of the HD format at the moment, have little interest in Casablanca because it offers no show off value, B/W, weak audio etc. They want the BIG movies and that's why films like The Fifth Element, Charlies Angels and Underworld are always the first title released when introducing a new format. That's because of the show off value in them. The general public wants fluff entertainment and those films are all fluff entertainment. Film geeks want Casablanca but we are not the majority so what we say and do has little effect. <p> And Blu Ray doesn't look better than HD DVD and HD DVD doesn't look better than Blu Ray. They look and sound the same these days.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Thank god for Spielberg

    by 300spartansinhell

    I guess Lucas is also in the Blu-ray camp. To Paramount: Go fuck yourselves, fucking assholes. By chosing the HD-DVD you have prolonged this stupid format war to forever, stupid fucks! It was looking as if Blu-ray was winning and then you come and chose HD-DVD cause that format is supposed to have more dedicated customers. Bullshit! There are like 3 million playstation 3 owners and they all buy movies! Try to get this into your retared brains! Take films like 300 or spiderman 3 or Starwars, they are all on the must buy list of ps3 owners. To Sony I say: It´s your fault too. Try and work a little faster and release that cheap Blu-ray player. You guys at Sony are so fucking slow!!! First you delay the ps3 forever and then you can´t lower the prices. I and all other customers don´t give a shit if it costs you lots of dollars to manufacture Blu-Ray players, just lower the prices! Or you will be out of the game, try and remember your last failure, will you. I´ve invested in your technology and I´m tired of hearing more exlusive hd-dvd anouncement. It was bad enough that I couldn´t buy Universal films in Blu-Ray.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 4:10 a.m. CST


    by 300spartansinhell

    Good idea, man. How could I have forgotten about that! Nice! I will buy a blu ray burner for my pc and burn all Universal and Paramount movies! Hahaha. First I will downloead them though in HD, like I did with Van Helsing.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 4:15 a.m. CST

    It was Microsoft, not Toshiba who paid Paranut!

    by 300spartansinhell

    Those fucks are planning to integrade the hd-dvd technology in their next xbox, so what better way to pump some life in a dying technology than to support a major studio and get an exclusive. Besides Toshiba has no money. They have lost so much already by lowering the prices. 2007 was the year when this format war should have been decided. Sony had a great chance to win but they blew it by not lowering their mashines. Next year Microsoft will announce a new xbox with hddvd player and it will be another blow for Sony and this time I´m not sure if they ever gonna recover.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 4:19 a.m. CST

    Paramount chooses HD-DVD and here's why...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...because they're a bunch of cupid stunts.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 5:16 a.m. CST

    nope, don't care

    by Lost Prophet

    Probably will buy PS3. That's the limit of my investment in this. I Am not rebuying DVD's.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Hilarity Ensues for Bill Hunt - oh and ShiftyEyedDog

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Just wait for Bill Hunt at Digital Bits too see Harry trumpeting this again; he already had a hissy fit BEFORE this was posted so I guess he's going to go Superfly TNT when he sees this report. Maybe he'll learn not to shoot his mouth of like a giant tool in future since his prediction about Universal is wrong and the exclusivity deals are actually going back to HD-DVD<br><br>ShiftyEyeDog, look, you're only kidding yourself if you honestly believe that Sony don't offer incentives or money to their supporters. As well as lucrative disc production deals they've got a number of licences tied up in their games franchise and movie studios; oh yeh they own a fucking major movie studio. So drop the argument that big bad Microsoft are shitting HD up for everyone by offering incentives to other studios? Oh and Digital Content over Xbox Live is a bad thing for the consumer too? Please...what a load of rubbish.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 6:07 a.m. CST


    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Dying technology? Are you kidding? If you're not Bill Hunt himself you've gotta be one of his cronies. Fly winged monkey back the DB Forum and tell all your friends to get over here ASAP.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Holographic Technology


    If they say 3 years, it'll be six-to-ten, if ever. I can't tell you how excited I was about "digital paper" in 1990, but it could never really get going and eventually magneto-resistive technology in the traditional hard-disc form factor surpassed the promised super-storage of digital paper.<br><br> Oh, and I've been hearing about quantum computing since the mid-80s, with lots of jabber in the 90s, and we're no closer now than we were in 1987. So I'm not holding my breath for holographic storage. Not saying it's not going to happen, only saying that I think 3 years is very, very optimistic.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Why Blu-Ray Isn't Going Anywhere


    And I say this as someone who is sure to buy an HD-DVD player sometime in the future, because it'll be cheaper than Blu-Ray: capacity. In the videogame world, certainly in the computer world, and to some extent even in the digital movie world, present and future capacity means a lot.<br><br> Current capacities for HD DVD are 15gb abd 30gb for single and dual layer ROMs respectively. For blye ray, they are about 40% higher: 25gb and 50gb. That's not an insignficant difference. The highest test for capacity has been approximately 100 gb for Blu-Ray, vs 45 gb for HD DVD, and the theoretical limit for Blu-Ray is 200 gb, where as the theoretical limit for HD DVD is 60 gb. <br><br>That's a huge difference in present and potential capacity, and it's not a VHS vs. Beta argument, as Betamax was not going to double as a videogame and computer storage medium, whereas Blu-Ray will. <br><br>Although Blu-Ray apologists need to stop going on about the special anti-scratch coating on Blu-Ray that HD DVD doesn't have. That coating is necessary because the physical thickness of the disc is lower that HD DVD (and regular DVDs), thus there isn't much distance between disc data and the physical surface of the medium. They had to put the coating on, or the Blu-Ray discs would be ruined by you taking them out of the package. Essentially, the "special coating" is to get what HD DVD has inherently, because of the thicker physical surface. HD DVD will also be cheaper, because the discs can be manufacturered in regular DVD houses, where as Blu-Ray takes all new equipment (which goes back to the capacity issue), making the whole process more expensive all the way down the line.<br><br>What makes Blu-Ray pricey will also hit any other alternative format, like holographic memory, and delay adoption, because an entire new infrastructure will likely be necessary to master and duplicate "holographic" discs, making manufacture of players and discs very costly at the outset.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Yeah, so both formats look great...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...but you know what? Back in the early 80s, when I saw a laserdisc demonstration in a shop, I was completely blown away. Didn't mean shit, though, did it? <p> The bottom line is that anyone who thinks there's actually going to be a breakthrough hi-def format after this "war" is either delusional or a moron. Whoever "wins" this petty skirmish will appeal to no greater a market than the folks who collected laserdiscs all through the 80s and early 90s. <p> Sure, a hi-def format WILL eventually sell big, but we're at least ten years away from that, and I guaran-fucking-tee you it won't be either Blu-Ray or HD DVD. <p> Keep buying regular DVDs and don't sweat it.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Oh, and LG...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...already has a multi-system player on the market for those of you who actually think either format is worth having.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 7:12 a.m. CST

    The PS3

    by fish tacos

    is a trojan horse to get BR into homes but it's not selling enough. It's possible that it's too late for the PS3 to make too much of a difference in the format war at this point.<br> <br>Cheap HDDVD players at Walmart this Xmas could be the beginning of the end for BR.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Won't ease of Piracy decide the format war?

    by NoDiggity

    Think about it. Microsoft backs HD-DVD, which means that HD-DVD is going to be more easily hacked than security-anal Sony's Blu-Ray. Which means that the big win will be for whichever format produces a player that's easily hackable by pirates to produce their bit-torrents, and usable by people to play their pirated High Definition bootlegs. Sadly, this means the death knell for Blu-Ray. <p> And just so you know, I just farted the above off the top of my head. I know nothing about the relative security of either format.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay...FTW?

    by rxse7en

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 7:16 a.m. CST

    It's already over Fish Tacos

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    What Sony and the BR brigade fail to mention whenever they tout their sales figures, is that they include PS3 in those numbers to boost the books. At the sametime the DISCOUNT the number HD-DVD add on units sold for xbox. Bunch of ass monkeys. All of them.<br><br>In terms of stand alone players, and that's where the numbers need to be tracked, HD-DVD outsells's that fucking simple.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 7:19 a.m. CST


    by TheAllSeeingEye

    While discs cant be replicated..yet...the movies themselves can be ripped easily. The encryption was broken on BR and HD-DVD a while back and the newsgroups are just flooded with rips from both formats.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 7:27 a.m. CST


    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Just checked Michael Bays site and while the blog does mention the HD-DVD exclusivity with regards to Transformers there is nothing about not making Transformers 2 which will no doubt upset many fans who relieved to read what endgadget had to say. If he has another site can you post a direct link?<br><br>As for Spielberg, he's stated he wants his movies on BOTH formats so dropping his current studio would result in him only being able to produce movies on Blu Ray if he went somewhere else, with the exception of Warners of course but I doub;t he'll be there. Instead what you'll find is he won't release any HD movies until one format prevails; it's going to be a long wait.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 7:27 a.m. CST

    That's because the PS3 is a Blu Ray player.

    by ELGordo

    The Xbox isn't a HD player so of course that doesn't factor in to it.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Why I choose an upconvert DVD player...

    by ATARI

    I already own the media.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 7:41 a.m. CST


    by rxse7en

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 7:42 a.m. CST

    HD DVD was always going to win because....

    by Mosquito March

    ...the average person knows what "HD" and "DVD" are. It's a much more familiar name.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    F Sony.

    by wowsucks

    I'm tired of Sony products taking over others. They once made very good products, now the company only seems to talk about everything their equipment can't do in reality, while controlling every aspect possible. Screw em. I'm going for HD DVD just because I'm tired of the crappy Sony products of the last few + years and their business practices. As for those who support them. Think politicians and major gas. Hurray pocket change. Everyone kicks back. Some just want more then others.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST

    I've chosen Blu Ray and here's why....

    by Papa Lazaru

    I like saying it , simple as that. "Blu Ray" . Makes me feel like I've discovered some futuristic weapon . Where as HD DVD sounds like a venereal disease.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Transformers on Blu Ray

    by PlasmaOrb

    If Speilberg is a avid blu ray supporter, as Im I since HD DVD sucks, the transfers look like shit and the players dont even play the new movies half the time when they come out, until Toshiba gets off their lazy ass and puts out a new firmware. Since Speilberg was the producer for the Transformers.. im sure he will have a say so in putting it out on Blu Ray... I hope he does, cause ive stopped buying HD DVDs and being disapointed with the transfers, paying $30-40 for a copy that doesnt look much better than my original DVD. Spiderman 3 will sell alot of Blu Ray players and discs, especially when the trilogy comes out. Blu Ray is outselling HD DVD and when Universal/Paramount find out how much revenue they have lost, they will come back kissing Sonys ass. Plus the Toshibas HD DVD is a flimsy peice of shit compared to the other Blu Ray players out there... im afraid im gonna break it. Plus its way slower than blu ray to load up and all that. I can turn my PS3 on and insert my disc in there and have it playing by the time the Toshiba player finally boots up and wants to open the tray or what they like to call a tray.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    No ElGordo

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    They dont factor in the sales of the add on units; i'm not talking about 360's on their own. That's not right. Oh and also, the PS3 is a games console, first and foremost. It's BluRay playback isn't even used by most consumers since the majority of PS3 owners don't have HDTV. On the other hand, EVERYONE who owns the 360 HD add on drive does own an HDTV.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Google sketch-up?

    by Director17

    is that what was used on the new shining-esque gif?

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 8:58 a.m. CST


    by MoparSRT

    i just checked that out your right but i still dont think many people are going to go for the xbox 360 elite simply because a lot of people already have the original xbox. They could just spend an extra $50 and get a PS3 and have a BR player and a far more superior game console and idk of any game on the 360 that is 1080p ready. Now i kno wiill get bashed for sayin that but i still find that to be true. ok so there are 2 1080p players but that still dont help when all BR players as far as i know are all 1080p. and the ps3 upscales to 1080p regular dvd thru and hdmi cable when avaible. i know this war is far from over but i will tell yall now taht in the end digital downloaduing will win over all. but i still say taht its a waste of money on teh hd dvd and the only reason people will look at taht is the fact it says dvd in the name and that is user friendly word now lol.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Want to read something funny

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Go check out Bill Hunts latest ravings where he mentions Harry's new article and the preceeding talkbacks.<br><br>That man is a delusional dick. His new argument now is that there's more going on behind the scenes than we know. He knows of course but he won't share that info, suffice it to say he just wants you to think he's right. Well, here's a newsflash. Universal didn't go multi-format and you were trumpeting that insider information for some time.<br><Br>He's a gobshite.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST


    by derf24

    slusho updated!

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 9:06 a.m. CST


    by TheAllSeeingEye

    A superior games console? Are you kidding me? You mean that monstrosity designed solely to influence the BluRay sales figures? That 'thing' that has no groundbreaking games on it in nearly year on the market? Puh-leease....Oh and for what it's worth, people harp on about 1080p and HDMI, i've ran my box through DVI since day 1 and my tv res is set to 1920x1080 which is 1080p. My games don't shift down a resolution when i play them and Gears of War looks absolutely stunning, so that shit about no 1080 games on 360 is just that, shit.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    "PS3 = far more superior game console"

    by fish tacos

    It's going to be awhile before the PS3 has the games. Until then the 360 is as good as it gets.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    The war is now heated

    by foffury

    One smart thing about it being separate is that I am not wearing out my game system when I am playing movies. Where as my PS3, takes on double duty. When it comes to 1080p vs. 1080i, which most 720p HDTVs support, the naked I can not make out any difference. Anyone who states otherwise is lying. I play all of my XBOX 360 games in 1080i and they are gorgeous. And with the HD-DVD movies either 10801 or 1080p is the same, sorry. I don't blame Paramount for making a business decision; $150 Million helps the bottom line and keeps jobs. Now what will be interesting is to see what happens with Warner Bros. That shoe could fall at any moment to the HD-DVD side, as their movies have always typically been released in advance on HD-DVD, then a couple of months later on Blu-Ray. If that happens then the game will about even. The early adopters, such as me, win anyways as it has never been a money issue it has always been about the best possible picture and content for me. I will keep supporting both and wait to see where the pendulum swings.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    The war is now heated (corrected)

    by foffury

    I respect both formats. It is true that they are not making a dent in the massive DVD based media in homes. I personally prefer my HD-DVD XBOX 360 Elite over the Blu-Ray Player in my PS3. One smart thing about it being separate is that I am not wearing out my game system when I am playing movies. Where as my PS3, takes on double duty. When it comes to 1080p vs. 1080i, which most 720p HDTVs support, the naked I can not make out any difference. Anyone who states otherwise is lying. I play all of my XBOX 360 games in 1080i and they are gorgeous. And with the HD-DVD movies either 10801 or 1080p is the same, sorry. I don't blame Paramount for making a business decision; $150 Million helps the bottom line and keeps jobs. Now what will be interesting is to see what happens with Warner Bros. That shoe could fall at any moment to the HD-DVD side, as their movies have always typically been released in advance on HD-DVD, then a couple of months later on Blu-Ray. If that happens then the game will about even. The early adopters, such as me, win anyways as it has never been a money issue it has always been about the best possible picture and content for me. I will keep supporting both and wait to see where the pendulum swings.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay: "No Tranformers 2!"

    by richier123

    In Michael Bay's blog, he states that since TF1 is not going to the widest audience possible, he is not going to do Transformers 2!!!

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    XVID will do me till i die...

    by workshed

    I now have 4000+ films in my collection so why the heck would i or should i think about replacing them..? What we really need is top class upscaling players with really nice Burr-Brown chips in them. Oh, and here's a tip, try to make them last longer than a year before they burn out etc etc.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Crapbox360 : more than 30 percent

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    show their users the Red Ring of Death after a few weeks/months. So shut the fuck up about Sony being so evil and Micro$oft being so cool. Blockheads.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay has chosen Blu-ray.... Here's Why...

    by polyh3dron

    No, he really did choose Blu-ray, check this out!

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Hardly Motoko

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    I've had mine since launch and never had a problem, so many other people i know are in the same position as i am. The RRoD is a problem, it definately exists, but it's an issue heavily blown out of proportion by Sony fanboys looking to take a swipe at a console with a larger user base, better games and better on line service

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 10:01 a.m. CST

    what's the red ring of death

    by Lost Prophet

    I thought that's what you got the morning after 8 pints of guinness and a vindaloo

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST


    by Grrrr....

    ...this might be a 'noob' question but I have to know. I'm in South Africa and the only format that is starting to come out over here is Blue Ray. I think the only reason being the release of the Playstation. We have not seen a HD-DVD player and to be honest the only reason I have heard about these 'format wars' is because of this site. Now my question, will any of these formats be backwards compatible with my current DVD's??? I have quite a big collection and personally will choose the format that will be able to play my current Dvd's (if possible) I have read all the talkbacks etc but still not any clearer what the best format is.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 10:19 a.m. CST


    by Grrrr.... it's a console war on this talkback... My goodness... This will never be won by either side people. Some people love Sony and if it wasn't for the outrageous price I would buy a Playstation. I have a Xbox360 and I love it. It has never (touch wood) given me a 'red ring of death' and I love the games on it. BIOSHOCK, GEARS anyone??? But the Playstation is an awesome machine and personally I think there is more than enough room for both consoles. I'm not including the Wii because we don't have it yet and I would buy it.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    The Red Ring of Death is a sign your xbox has died. Luckily though MS have extended 360 warranties to 3 years so it's not really a problem unless you consider not having a machine about 2 weeks a major disaster.<br><br>The Red Ring you refer to is more lethal and probably more commonplace but much easier to fix. Fridays nights, before going to town, i place a toilet roll at the back of my fridge to procure the following morning to ease that red ring.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 10:22 a.m. CST

    why does it happen then?

    by Lost Prophet

    I'm not technical and am curious. Especially as I am about to buy a new console. <p>the xbox dying thing, not the chillified arsehole thing. I understand that one, and a yoghurt arsepack can also cure it.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Same here, Motoko

    by TheNothing

    I've had my 360 since day one, and have had absolutely zero problems with it. No RRoD, no overheating, nothing. Just recently got the HD DVD drive, and I absolutely love it.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    and by "yoghurt arsepack" I don't mean anal sex

    by Lost Prophet

    as that would be a shocking idea when you are suffering from the after effects of too much guinness and a too hot curry.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    paramount will eat crow

    by Automation Overlord

    speilberg has admitted its a stupid mistake, and now micheal bay has come out and said this decision is stupid and that hey will not direct transformers 2. Paramount is gonna have to admit they made a massive mistake, blu ray is the clear winner HD is for fags and nerds who live in their parents basements

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    PS3 will not decide the war, your not the only market

    by Stormwatcher

    They don't only care about losers in their parents basement. They want to sell Reese Witherspoon movies as well. I am sick of this now, with Paramount on HDDVD things are nice and sweet for me and my Xbox. Hooray!

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST

    It can happen for afew reasons

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    But the main culprit is overheating, it's a machine that runs hot anyway and some people have a tendency to tuck their consoles away at the back of shelves etc or near radiators. The worst culprit though are people who stick their machines right next to their tv's so as their xbox chugs out warm air it's also sucking in warm air from the tv. Not good.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Oh. Then it isn't for me then

    by Lost Prophet

    as I tend to do stupid things like that. And it would fuck me off good and proper to have to send it back to microsoft.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST


    by Grrrr....

    ... is the main problem but really how long are some people playing??? I personally can play for 2hour max then I either get bored or the wife gets bored...

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST


    by Grrrr....

    ...anybody know which format will be able to play DvD's??? Otherwise I will buy and HD-DVD player and a Playstation 3. Problem solved.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST


    by ELGordo

    You'd be surprised how many people buy PS machines and use them as their DVD player, far more than you think. I don't have a HDTV but I use my Blu Ray player all the time. And that's a mighty large assumption that EVERYONE who owns the add on has a HDTV. I know at least one who doesn't.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 10:43 a.m. CST

    This was a last ditch effort by microsoft

    by Automation Overlord

    all experts agreeed the format war was most likley coming to an end by first quarter of 2008, microsoft knew this and needed to makea move fast to at least keep it alive for a bit longer (the longer hd is on the marke the longer idiots will buy a x-box 360). The 150 million they spent as a bribe is nothing compared to the money they will lose when paramount retracts their statment and hd bottoms out. What blu ray should do now is get warners and new line to drop hd and go blu ray exclusive. All hail blu ray!

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    Transformers 2

    by yodalovesyou

    I don't know why AICN hasn't printed this news. This should be cause for celebration... MICHAEL BAY HAS SAID 'No' TO TRANSFORMERS 2! yes! Now hire someone who won't overdo the shakey-cam crap so that we'll actually be able to see ILM's beautiful creations in action, properly.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    and another thing..

    by yodalovesyou

    ...Fuck HD and Fuck Blue-Ray!

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST

    ElGordo - Automation Overlord

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    ElGordo, there's absolutely no point in buying BluRay movies if you don't own an HD-TV. While there maybe people buying movies without the proper kit to appreciate it but it's going to be the rarity as opposed to the rule.<br><Br>Automation Overlord - You're clearly as deluded as Bill Hunt. Last ditch attempt? If it was it certainly succeeded in that it got another studio to commit to HD-DVD. Way to go. And what experts are you citing there? The one's you've made up? Jesus, the flying monkeys over at Digital Bits are getting even more desperate.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Fine, both are great/ suck/ whatever

    by Lost Prophet

    but do they play old dvd's or are you forced to buy all new ones? I do own a HD-TV.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Paramount/Dreamworks are only exclusive for 18 months

    by Busting Plants

    That's all 150 mil buys you apparently. And no Spielberg movies. I mean, it was a no brainer for Paramount and Dreamworks.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    NO Michael Bay

    by tehgreekhammer

    On TF2 = HOORAY HD-DVD!!! <p> Now to get a real director on this property that will blow the Blurformers movie out of the water. <p> Go HD-DVD!!!

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet

    by rxse7en

    Both play standard DVDs.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Hurray! no Micheal Bay!!!!

    by grypson

    I could care less about which format wins, but knowing that micheal bay wont be doing the next transformer movie makes my day.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST


    by Automation Overlord

    Let me guess, you are nearing 30, still live at home, quite chubby especially in your man tit area, and have yet to have sex with a women. All HD supporters are the same, they are all nerds who just wanna be different for the sake of being different, blu-ray is a far superior technology, it holds more data and also has the support of 90% of major studios, it also has name brand going for it. blu ray sounds futuristic and a step up, HD DVD sounds like a mouth full and not different from regular DVD its the dvhs of the digital age. Face it, blu ray is the clear winner and this format war is only alive because greedy people like microsoft made the worng decision years ago to support HD, and now instead of admitting a mistake they'll just use their money to try and extend an already dead format. Just look at any HD DVD supporter from Paramount, to universal hell even to this site and harry's obviosuly paid for rant a few months ago on his ghey love of HD, and what do you find? in all cases of support for the format you dig a little deeper and see that there is clearly finacial gains for those who claim support for the format. Blu ray is the clear winner!

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST


    by Mattyboy122

    The HD player sales do include the X-Box add-on drive (which has sold less than 200,000 units), and including the PS3 is perfectly fine because it does play Blu-Ray discs (and the PS3 is the reason why BR is outselling HD 2-1). What's more, you say Spielberg's movies won't be available on either format for a while. Well, last I checked, Close Encounters is coming out this fall on Blu-Ray only. Spielberg is a confirmed Blu-Ray supporter (as stated by his publicist) and he isn't pleased with Paramount taking cash to extend this format war. It will just breed more confusion for consumers and stall the outcome of the war. Looking at the situation, I don't see a way that HD-DVD can win, per se. They can surely stay in the game if HD-DVD players sell well this holiday season, but there's a huge gap between HD-DVD players and Blu-Ray players (if you count the PS3). Add to that the lower priced PS3 and Blu-Ray players that will be available this winter, along with studio support giving exclusives like Pirates of the Caribbean, Spider-Man, Die Hard, Ratatouille, Cars, etc, and you get a situation where Blu-Ray still could pull out a win. If they completely dominate the holiday season then HD-DVD will collapse; if HD-DVD can keep up, then we're doomed to two formats and eventually both formats will die.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Hollywood ....GO FUCK YOURSELVES!


    I'm just gonna stick with DVD now. You know, I really wanted to go with a HD format, didn't care which one, as long as it wasn't obsolete in a year or two. Microsoft, Sony, Disney, Universal, Paramount...take all your shit shove it right back up your ass! Long live DVD

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Oh and....


    I just read over all teh fucking comments here, and all you fucking fucktards can go fuck yourselves too. I shit on HD-DVD/Blu-ray/all of you... I WASH MY HANDS AND FEET OF YOU! *sticks out tongue, grabs nut-sack, flips bird, turns butt and farts at the same time*

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST


    by The Breasts of Midol Girl


  • Aug. 21, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST


    by The Breasts of Midol Girl


  • Aug. 21, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST

    BREASTS, I've asked before and I'll ask it again

    by Puddleglum

    Are you related to DOROTHY'S TAINT? (I figure if I keep saying "Dorothy's Taint" enough, Dorothy's Taint will appear (and destroy us, like the Marshmellow Man in Ghostbusters??)

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Scratch that...


    I've had a chance to calm down...just Viacom and especially Microsoft can fuck themselves. Long live Blu-ray

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    WONKABAR, I saw your golden ticket during your tirade

    by Puddleglum

    Smoewhere, Charlie Bucket smiles and grandpa dances his jig.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    An open letter to supporters of either format:

    by DocPazuzu

    I’m trying to be patient with you as I find it incomprehensible why you’re supporting one system over the other. Apart from me and others reasoning with you by illustrating with examples from the past, why Joe Sixpack won’t give a shit and with hard facts as to why the world isn’t ready for hi-def DVD yet, there is one other aspect nobody seems to be bringing up, namely how, exactly, do you win a war like this? <p> Let me explain by way of a question: <p> What do you think will happen once one format “wins”? <p> Do you think all the studios backing the losing system will just laugh and shrug and say “my bad” and then pump hundreds of millions of dollars more into converting their product to the winning system? And will this simultaneously occur with the sudden rush to Circuit City by Joe Sixpack and his granny while hollering “Hot damn! The war is finally over! Gimme that hi-def player!” ? <p> Or will the “losing” studios just sit back a while and watch as the “winning” system slowly dies as it bleeds potential customers who won’t back a universal system for all their favorite movies? Why wouldn’t the “losing” studios then choose to invest in regular DVD releases instead of the “winning” system until a new hi-def system is developed which everyone will get behind and which will have technical advantages that can appeal even to Joe Sixpack? <p> Here’s the bottom line, folks: as soon as studios started lining up on opposite sides of the hi-def fence, the war was lost. Simply by being so divisive, the war was unwinnable from the get-go – even if the time had been right for the unwashed masses to abandon regular DVD, which it fucking well isn’t. <p> Try to get it through your heads: Nobody, I mean NOBODY, of consequence gives a shit about either Blu-Ray or HD DVD. They’re dead formats. Give it another ten years and a unified, user-friendly and affordable system will take the world by storm, but until then, DVDs will be alive and well.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 1:17 p.m. CST

    yeah but you gotta admit DocPazuzu

    by Automation Overlord

    Blu ray is still 100 times better then HD DVD, just check out 300 on blu ray, it'll blow your freakin mind

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Sorry, but I just don't get how Harry can talk about

    by half vader

    not being able to afford a few hundred bucks for the other player when he's spending a few thousand on a couple of new computers (even though a few hundred is beyond him at the moment), and just spent what? A few TENS of THOUSANDS on his wedding and honeymoon extravaganza? <p> Hey, good luck if he can do all that high-cost wedding stuff and then be on honeymoon for what? Like a month or something? More power to ya. But to spend all that dough and then say he can't afford a few hundred, well, I'm sort of scratching my head. Bit of a dichotomy there (and if he's so strapped for cash, why is he spending thousands to upgrade the computers now instead of waiting a bit longer?), not to mention a guy so in love with film basing decisions on saving a few bucks rather than the QUALITY of the player/discs reproduction of the film experience etc. Notice I'm NOT saying HD-DVDs aren't fantastic quality, I'm saying Harry used the saving as his stated reason for going HD-DVD. <p> Now if he hadda said he went HD-DVD because, say, many of his fave films were Universal, or that the quality of the transfers were amazing, fine! But that's absolutely NOT what he said. The money thing came first (and it's not like he can't claim either as a business expense after all). <p> As for taking sides, I'm sitting this one out Allseeing! What's the point? People are still going on with the "I'm not replacing my DVDs!" stupidity. Jesus Christ.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Marion Cobretti has chosen VHS and here's why.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    "cause Midol Girl said so.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    But Automaton, why did you buy that 300BD

    by half vader

    when before it was released they said there'd be a double dip in a few months with more features on Blu-ray including the PIP (but both video streams at full1080)? And isn't the film itself exactly the same VC-1 transfer as the HD-DVD anyway? Surely they're equally mindblowing?

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Spread Legs Not War... you're missing the point.

    by GrantChastain

    You aren't a typical consumer, and neither am I. We aren't the ones that set the trends. It's the Wal-Mart shoppers that do that.<p>And until you can definitively show a Wal-Mart shopper the upgrade from DVD to Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, then this war is unwinnable.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    half vader

    by Automation Overlord

    i just have alot and alot of money, so double dipping is no prob

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    people need to pay attention

    by MoparSRT

    people need to pay attention to detail.LOOK AND FEELOur initial response to the Playstation 3 is that it has a more elegant look and feel than the Xbox 360 Elite. It is glossy black with a slicker user interface than that of the Xbox 360. The startup sound reminds you of when the lights go out at the opera house. Very classy. Advantage: PS3PROCESSING POWERThe CPU of the Playstation 3 is a 3.2GHz Cell Broadband Engine with up to 8 "synergistic" processing units. The Xbox 360 sports a custom 3.2GHz G5 with 3 dual-threaded cores. The Playstation 3 has 512K of L2 cache while the Xbox 360 has 1MB of L2 cache. The PS3 has 256MB of main memory plus 256MB of video memory while the Xbox 360 shares 512MB between the CPU and GPU. Plus it has 10MB of very fast eDRAM dedicated to the GPU. The memory bandwidth of the PS3 is 25.6GB/s versus 22.4GB/s for the Xbox 360.The Playstation 3 uses an nVidia RSX "Reality Sythesizer" graphics processor (GPU) with 24 pixel pipelines and 12 vertex pipelines while the Xbox 360 uses a custom ATI processor with 48 unified pixel/vertex pipelines. Combining the CPU and GPU power, the Playstation 3 is rated at 51 billion dot-product-operations-per-second (dpo/s). The Xbox 360 is rated at 34 billion dpo/s. Advantage: PS3STORAGE OPTIONSThe PS3 model we tested came with a 60GB hard drive. The Xbox 360 Elite has 120GB drive. Advantage: Xbox 360 EliteThe PS 3 optical drive is a slot loading Blu-ray BD-ROM drive. It can launch games or play DVD movie discs or Blu-ray movie discs. The Xbox 360 has a tray load Dual-Layer DVD-ROM drive. To play HD movies on the Xbox 360, you must purchase a $199 optional external tray load HD-DVD player that can only be used for DVD or HD-DVD movie playback. The internal tray load optical drive is still required for launching games. Advantage: PS3The PS3 has support for various memory cards (SD, CF, and Memory Stick). The Xbox 360 sports two memory card slots that accept proprietary memory units (up to 512MB each). Both consoles have multiple USB 2.0 ports. I understand you can use them to connect things like the iPod, Flash Drives, USB hard drives, and even Sony's PSP. Advantage: PS3NOISE LEVELSThe Playstation 3's fans are quieter than the Xbox 360. When first turned on, the PS3 is under 40db while the Xbox hovers at 47db. When a game disc is loaded and the game is running, the PS3 rises to 44db while the Xbox rises to 55db. Of course, when we turn on the sound courtesy of our Bose 3-2-1 system, the decibel level rises over 73, drowning out any noise from the game console fans. However, if you are trying to watch a quiet scene in a movie, the Xbox fan noise interfered with the pleasure of the moment. That wasn't the case with the PS3. Advantage: PS3VIDEO SUPPORTThe PS3 has an HDMI port and supports 1080p. In the case of the Xbox 360 the best quality video output is component and maxes at 1080i. The Xbox 360 Elite, however, does include an HDMI port and supports 1080p. Advantage: neitherAUDIO SUPPORTToslink optical audio ports are available on both consoles. The PS3's audio circuitry can decode up to 7.1 channels of audio in the Dolby Digital, DTS, SACD and Dolby TrueHD formats. The Xbox 360 can decode up to 5.1 channels of audio in Dolby Digtal and DTS. It down-converts Dolby TrueHD. Advantage: PS3GAMEPADSThe gamepads for the Playstation 3 are smaller and lighter than the Xbox 360's. The PS2 pads are Bluetooth wireless while the Xbox pads are 2.4GHz wireless.The PS3 pads have non-removable batteries that recharge when connected to the USB port (or the optional charger). The Xbox 360 gamepads use two removable AA batteries. We use Ni-MH batteries which we recharge using a third party 15 minute charger. I understand you can get special battery packs and chargers. Advantage: PS3LEGACY GAME SUPPORTWhat about compatibility with older models of consoles? The Xbox 360 will handle 23 Xbox racing titles while the PS3 can play 48 PS2 racing titles without any problems. That can be useful when you want to play a racing game like Gran Turismo 4 (PS2) until the HD version is released for the PS3. Advantage: PS3 (even for non-racing titles) the point is its about media and i think most people already know that bluray is the better product. keep in mind also these are still GAME consoles not just media players

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST

    More ammo...

    by MoparSRT

    people need to pay attention to detail.LOOK AND FEELOur initial response to the Playstation 3 is that it has a more elegant look and feel than the Xbox 360 Elite. It is glossy black with a slicker user interface than that of the Xbox 360. The startup sound reminds you of when the lights go out at the opera house. Very classy. Advantage: PS3PROCESSING POWERThe CPU of the Playstation 3 is a 3.2GHz Cell Broadband Engine with up to 8 "synergistic" processing units. The Xbox 360 sports a custom 3.2GHz G5 with 3 dual-threaded cores. The Playstation 3 has 512K of L2 cache while the Xbox 360 has 1MB of L2 cache. The PS3 has 256MB of main memory plus 256MB of video memory while the Xbox 360 shares 512MB between the CPU and GPU. Plus it has 10MB of very fast eDRAM dedicated to the GPU. The memory bandwidth of the PS3 is 25.6GB/s versus 22.4GB/s for the Xbox 360.The Playstation 3 uses an nVidia RSX "Reality Sythesizer" graphics processor (GPU) with 24 pixel pipelines and 12 vertex pipelines while the Xbox 360 uses a custom ATI processor with 48 unified pixel/vertex pipelines. Combining the CPU and GPU power, the Playstation 3 is rated at 51 billion dot-product-operations-per-second (dpo/s). The Xbox 360 is rated at 34 billion dpo/s. Advantage: PS3STORAGE OPTIONSThe PS3 model we tested came with a 60GB hard drive. The Xbox 360 Elite has 120GB drive. Advantage: Xbox 360 EliteThe PS 3 optical drive is a slot loading Blu-ray BD-ROM drive. It can launch games or play DVD movie discs or Blu-ray movie discs. The Xbox 360 has a tray load Dual-Layer DVD-ROM drive. To play HD movies on the Xbox 360, you must purchase a $199 optional external tray load HD-DVD player that can only be used for DVD or HD-DVD movie playback. The internal tray load optical drive is still required for launching games. Advantage: PS3The PS3 has support for various memory cards (SD, CF, and Memory Stick). The Xbox 360 sports two memory card slots that accept proprietary memory units (up to 512MB each). Both consoles have multiple USB 2.0 ports. I understand you can use them to connect things like the iPod, Flash Drives, USB hard drives, and even Sony's PSP. Advantage: PS3NOISE LEVELSThe Playstation 3's fans are quieter than the Xbox 360. When first turned on, the PS3 is under 40db while the Xbox hovers at 47db. When a game disc is loaded and the game is running, the PS3 rises to 44db while the Xbox rises to 55db. Of course, when we turn on the sound courtesy of our Bose 3-2-1 system, the decibel level rises over 73, drowning out any noise from the game console fans. However, if you are trying to watch a quiet scene in a movie, the Xbox fan noise interfered with the pleasure of the moment. That wasn't the case with the PS3. Advantage: PS3VIDEO SUPPORTThe PS3 has an HDMI port and supports 1080p. In the case of the Xbox 360 the best quality video output is component and maxes at 1080i. The Xbox 360 Elite, however, does include an HDMI port and supports 1080p. Advantage: neitherAUDIO SUPPORTToslink optical audio ports are available on both consoles. The PS3's audio circuitry can decode up to 7.1 channels of audio in the Dolby Digital, DTS, SACD and Dolby TrueHD formats. The Xbox 360 can decode up to 5.1 channels of audio in Dolby Digtal and DTS. It down-converts Dolby TrueHD. Advantage: PS3GAMEPADSThe gamepads for the Playstation 3 are smaller and lighter than the Xbox 360's. The PS2 pads are Bluetooth wireless while the Xbox pads are 2.4GHz wireless.The PS3 pads have non-removable batteries that recharge when connected to the USB port (or the optional charger). The Xbox 360 gamepads use two removable AA batteries. We use Ni-MH batteries which we recharge using a third party 15 minute charger. I understand you can get special battery packs and chargers. Advantage: PS3LEGACY GAME SUPPORTWhat about compatibility with older models of consoles? The Xbox 360 will handle 23 Xbox racing titles while the PS3 can play 48 PS2 racing titles without any problems. That can be useful when you want to play a racing game like Gran Turismo 4 (PS2) until the HD version is released for the PS3. Advantage: PS3 (even for non-racing titles) Keep in mind these are GAME consoles that do more and that is what people need to realize. why would i waste the money on external drive for my 360(which by the way DIED!!!) wheni got smart and brought a PS3 and now i know i didnt waste my money

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST


    by TheAllSeeingEye

    The older 360's DO support 1080p when ran DVI; DVI is HDMI minus sound and i don't need that cos i run mine via optical anyway. So please, stick it with the 1080p arguments will ya. The PS3 is overpriced for what it is and the best games won't be coming out for AT LEAST a year. My PS3 hasn't been switched on in 4 months, it's sat gathering dust and with great games like BioShock, Halo 3 and Mass Effect to name just 3 great 360 exclusiives, it probably wont be switched on for another 4 months. And who the hell wants to play OLD racing games when we've got PGR3, Forza 2 already out and PGR4 coming in time for xmas? Seriously, if you honestly think that the PS3 is a better experience then you need your head examining.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST


    by TheAllSeeingEye

    You need to stop talking out of your arse; the BD version of 300 IS EXACTLY THE SAME as the HD-DVD version. In effect, you moron, you've just pimped up the HD-DVD version.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Automation Overlord

    by Johnny LaPlegm

    You realize the vast majority of Blu-Ray players are PS3's right? Who do you think has the bigger man tits? How many times do I have to post this for the kiddies- Blu-Ray was devised as a recordable high-def format to hold 2 hours of mpeg2 video and PCM audio. To do that, 50 gigs of space was needed. In the meantime, Microsoft and Dolby introduce vastly superior encodes, VC-1 and TrueHD, offering SUPERIOR picture quality and identical lossless audio using much less space. There is nothing compelling about paying twice as much money for a needlessly complex technology that offers zero over its competitor. HD-DVD offers the same experience as Blu-Ray (more actually, since interactivity and PiP specs have been finalized since day 1), is cheap for manufacturers and consumers, and it works. PS3 sales underperformed, have a terrible software attach rate, and can’t get the costs down fast enough. Blu-Ray is a PS3 format. Just put them next to your UMD collection.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    The madness on display in this TB

    by fish tacos

    is fucking astonishing.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    I blame the Blu-Ray fanboys

    by fish tacos

    Attaching one's ego to a Sony product = nipples on Optimus

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    i love when hd fanboys claim...

    by Automation Overlord

    that blu ray is only number one because of idiots alot of people bought a ps3 to use as a blu ray player, myself included, i buy blu rays and play them on Ps3, so does that mean my blu ray purchases don't count just because i don't have a stand alone player... oh and hd just doesn't have that sparkle, blue is better then burgandy and i like things that sound futuristic, HD dDVD sounds primative, and besides try getting good movies on HD, even the only good thing paramount has to offer, which is speilberg releases will be coming out on bluray..hahaha so you lose go eat you cheesies and gingerale and jerk off to midol girl's tit, cause yopu lost this way suckers

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 3 p.m. CST

    Automation Overlord has chosen Blu-Ray here's why:

    by fish tacos

    he has alot and alot of money (double dipping is no prob)

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Blue-Ray's second feature

    by richier123

    jerk-off target practice, as the hole in the center of the disc is larger than on HD-DVD, which leads it to be much more likely to go off-center and scratch. <br><br> Blu-Ray does sound better though. And its blue. Those are some good reasons to switch.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    I think HD-DVD will win in the end.

    by Lost Skeleton

    I am not that invested although I do own a HD-DVD add on to my X box 360. I just think that if HD-DVD is cheaper to produce, studios will naturally choose HD-DVD to save money. I just wish Fox would make product for both formats.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 4:19 p.m. CST


    by makavelious

    Thank you Lord!

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Some of you people are nuts

    by Dr. Chim Richalds

    So much sanctimonious bitching by people who pretend to be sticking it to the man by not supporting Sony. Of course, instead of supporting Sony, they'd rather support ... Microsoft. Pick whatever format you prefer, but don't pretend like this is some huge fight between the forces of good and evil. Also, contrary to popular belief, this isn't an Xbox vs. PS3 debate. The PS3 plays Blu-Rays, the Xbox does not play HD-DVDs out of the box, and to get the Xbox to do so, you need to pay another $180, making the two HD options virtually the same in the price department.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST


    by Andillformthehead

    Sony with the price cut and discontinuation of the 60gb model and then release of the new 80gb model did use the PS3 (at least in the states) to get more bluray players on the street. Not a bad idea really. With the sony card $100 discount, free Memento and remote control from Amazon and 5 free discs I think I did pretty well for what's going to total $399. If anything I have a nice up-converting dvd player as well as Bluray player and game machine. But Sony could let that last because not only are they losing cash per unit sold but they are fucking their BD partners as well. So pump the numbers a bit and then pull back. And like someone else said here in November Sony and others will have under $300 BD machines.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 6:17 p.m. CST

    I wish Michael Bay would say "NO" to ALL MOVIES

    by Puddleglum

    If they're just going to be a bunch of 'splosions and blurred fight scenese...

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST


    by Phategod2

    Thank God For HD-DVD and Paramounts crazy ass decision IF bay decides not to do Transformers 2 becuase of this then Thank God for theis decision maybe they can find a director that is not a hack.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    I've never understood why...

    by ELGordo

    People say that the PS3 is over priced. In one package you have a fantastic game console, one of the best Blu Ray players on the marked. It's got wireless internet, you can connect it to your computer via blue tooth for content there, music, videos and shit. You are saying all of that isn't worth 600 bucks, which is bound to drop in the coming months? Shiiit.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST


    by uss cygnus

    This format war is ridiculous. Blu-Ray is going to win, it's just a matter of time.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    You know what?

    by RAVENL0RD

    Here is the difference between other studios and Paramount being format exclusive. Paramount just threw its hat into HD-DVD's corner even though they have been producing Blu-rays for some time now, even going so far as to withdraw releases for Blu-ray that were scheduled for NEXT WEEK. That is incredibly rude to the Blu-ray supporters. Ridiculous. I applaud Michael Bay for standing up for what he believes in.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    If Warner takes the ca$h, NO BLADE RUNNER

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    Microsoft is now trying to buy Warner Bros too. Hopefully they're smart and won't fall for it. But if they do, folks, that means they cancel the Blade Runner awesome editions on Blu-Ray, and if sister company New Line follows, no LOTR trilogy.<br><br>So contact the studios and tell them you want both (or just Blu-Ray). But I'm betting they're too smart to take the bribe anyway. Especially in the wake of how Bay and Spielberg have turned on Paramount, they don't wanna piss off any more directors.

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST

    God! What A Dumb Thing To Do!

    by Real Deal

    Now there really is a big risk that these formats will be no more than the Laser Disc of the 21rst century! I'm sorry I also don't think that MS has our best interest at heart because they probably want us to go for their downloading service instead! To be truly successful any format has to have portability. In other words would a downloading service let you burn a copy so you can take it over to your buddy's house to watch? I'll bet not! This is what killed DIVX the pay per view DVD that didn't last long against DVD. God this format war is so stupid! Also if you want a model to look at iTunes doesn't let you Burn a copy of what you've bought. Craping on the consumers. Way to go MS and Paramount!

  • Aug. 21, 2007, 10:55 p.m. CST

    LoL This thread is hillarious

    by jae683

    People getting their panties in a bunch over a format that's a very small percentage no matter how you look at it. lol

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Aaaarrgghh. All this means is no high-def Criterion

    by half vader

    for even longer. Bastards. <p> Automation, good for you if you're dripping cash. Throw some my way, wouldja?! <p> Allseeing, that's what I said to Auto. <p> As for percentages jae, there are 60 million high def tv sets and counting. The studios are banking on them wanting to play some pre-recorded shit on there in the very near future. So not quite so little to sneeze at, in terms of potential customers and the number is accelerating. Of course shit like this shoots everyone in the foot.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Just Not Buying It

    by kagai

    I'm sure the $150mil given to Paramount/Dreamworks had nothing to do with the decision. Technology my arse. Let's not make this about anything more than the money, because that is the only reason Paramount went exclusive. Any other reasoning is a smokescreen! They knew they would never be able to make that kind of money selling hybrids, so they took the money and went HD-DVD.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 12:51 a.m. CST


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  • Aug. 22, 2007, 12:54 a.m. CST


    by MoparSRT

    well to be honest man your right the 360 does have more vast software line up but lets not forget the original argument here and that is hd-dvd vs bluray. I do still play GT4 all the time on top of old school nfs and so on. If you still want to argue about game consoles then i will add more ammo to my arsenal. lets not forget the PSP and its power to connect you to your ps3 no matter where you are and stream music, video and photo via internet or a wireless network. Certain games such as Formula one also use the psp connectivity by adding a feature , using the psp as a rear view mirror. YES i do understand that great games wont be out on the ps3 for a while but i also know that owning it will be more worth it in the end. i didn't just buy it for games i bought it for a free gaming network and soon to be the most interactive gaming network thanks largely to home. in order to make the 360 do what the ps3 already does you would have to spend more., you need to buy a wireless adapter for wireless internet ($99.99), you have to keep on buying batteries for your remotes(varies in price), external HD drive ($199), a wireless headset though you don't need yes but it is very convenient($59.99). That right there is already, well hell i will even be nice and go with a dropped price 360 pro at $349+$199+$59.99+$99.99=$708.97 plus tax and that right there is more plus you you have to pay to play online which is dumb. I will say that it is a nice service but i also something is solid and FREE. I could go on forever but the i think my point is made You had mentioned you were playing in DVI at 1080p but I'm very sure that gears was just being upscaled and not made for 1080P. That is al the 360 has going for them is more games. everything else is just bs to me...

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST

    again why are paramount the bad guys?

    by slappy jones

    what about mgm and fox?? are they not just as bad or is it just that you blu ray guys are a bunch of fucking babies??"this decision is about money...paramount were paid they only did it for the money..its only about money" um - well durrrrrrrr...of course it is about fucking money. this entire business is about money 99% of the films we talk about here were made to make money...everything is about money so why are you all so surprised???

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Sony's track record with proprietary formats:

    by JusticeSabre

    BETAMAX. <br> <br> MINIDISC. <br> <br> UMD. <br> <br> BLU-RAY. <br> <br> Do we really wanna go down this road again?

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 2:05 a.m. CST

    And now Bay reverses his earlier statement

    by half vader

    "Well, they paid me in coke and hookers!" <p> For fuck's sake. Speilberg'll cost 'em though!

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 3:19 a.m. CST


    by Grrrr....

    ...nice little war going on but.... WHICH SYSTEM WILL BE BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE???? F#$k this 'format war', I'm sticking to Dvd.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 3:23 a.m. CST


    by Grrrr....

    ...this console war is getting old, real fast! Frack, the only people who seem to be 'winning' this war is the big corporations making millions and laughing all the way to the bank while little fan boys mess their pants over which system is best. Ag f#$k it, XBOX RULES!!!!

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 4:27 a.m. CST

    fuck's sake

    by Lost Prophet

    Still going on this shit? <p>Cheers for answering the DVD question though.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 4:40 a.m. CST

    By the way that wasn't a joke about Bay

    by half vader

    well, not the subject line anyway. Looks like the ms/hd mafia/evangelists got to him, too.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 5 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    ...And the band of drooling imbeciles played on.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 5:16 a.m. CST


    by Lost Prophet

    both- someone answered it up there

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 5:24 a.m. CST

    doc- forget reasoning

    by Lost Prophet

    The full on mob mentality is out. BTW this $150m that everyone keeps banging on about- is this an advance to be recouped from royalties? If so, then what's the big deal?

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 5:42 a.m. CST


    by TheAllSeeingEye

    360 has...More games, better games, better online service, better developer support, lower price point, better texture memory, better market penetration and has pretty lived up to all the promises made before launch.<br><br>PS3 has..a handful of games, no groundbreaking titles, developers abandoning it in droves. Why is that? Well Sony forgot they were releasing a games console and concentrated only on their BluRay. The only people who've bought PS3 are the more hardcore Playstation fans. Average gamers won't go near it.<br><br>Oh and by the way, you plug your PSP into your 360 too if that's what floats your boat.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet

    by Grrrr....

    Like the great Optimus Prime once said: "My Bad!!" If they (Blue-Ray/HD-DVD) both play DvD's I really couldn't care less who wins this 'war'. And as long as they bring decent 360 games out I'm more than happy to see PS3's sell like hotcakes. Thanks for clearing that up.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 6:27 a.m. CST


    by Mace Tofu

    STOP YOUR GLOATING AND START CRYING BLU-BOYS... 08/21/2007 07:51 PM Last night at dinner I was having dinner with three Blu-Ray owners, they were pissed about no Transformers Blu-Ray and I drank the kool aid hook line and sinker. So at 1:30 in the morning I posted - nothing good ever comes out of early am posts mind you - I over reacted. I heard where Paramount is coming from and the future of HD and players that will be close to the $200 mark which is the magic number. I like what I heard. As a director, I'm all about people seeing films in the best quality possible, and I saw and heard firsthand people upset about a corporate decision. So today I saw 300 on HD-DVD, it rocks! So I think I might be back on to do Transformers 2! Michael Bay

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Bay's a flip flopper

    by ELGordo

    That statement is so sad. It's so obvious that the guy was taken to school for his earlier comment by his agency or the company. And that 300 on HDDVD comment is pathetic. Would he still against it if he had seen 300 on Blu Ray? The film looks EXACTLY THE SAME on BD and HD. What a fucking tool. But it's not like the guy has any pull in Hollywood.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 6:50 a.m. CST

    not so much flip flopper

    by Lost Prophet

    as hacky cunt. Or maybe I just can't stand him and his shoddy films.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Oh God, not Transformers 2!

    by jae683

    Someone, anyone, quick smash Bay's HD player ... please!

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 7:40 a.m. CST

    microsoft offered bay Halo

    by Automation Overlord

    thats why he recanted, if you do some research you discover that microsoft has offered bay the chance to direct the very much stalled HALO project. In other words Bay sold out

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Paramount is making a horrible choice

    by Arghh

    Blu Ray is clearly superior, in resolution and everything to HD, the picture looks sharper in Blu Ray and there are more colors. Steven Spielberg prefers Blu Ray, but he wants his fans to have a choice of what format they should buy in. Please don't let this lead you to buy HD DVD, HD DVD is clearly an inferior format! If we speak with our dollars and all buy Blu Ray, Paramount will be forced to cave and provide Blu Ray movies.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Some Of You Don't Get What This Is About

    by Real Deal

    The fact that MS paid to influence the outcome of this war is just so wrong on so many levels. I wouldn't like it if this was on the Blueray side. The product should win or lose on it's own merit. Which format does the public prefer. MS has just tried to take that out of the equation. Truly disgusting. If I were the whole public in general I would lean BR just because of this! Because basically MS is ( once again ) taking the free choice out of the consumer's hands by attempting to stack the deck so to speak. Also the one's asking " What's the big deal? " probably don't own an HD tv. Well like it or not this is what will be the future. People who own one can see the difference. Also prices are coming down dramatically. In just a few years all new tvs sold will be HD because there will be no price diffence and it will be the mainstream.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    but are they- or is it an advance to be repaid

    by Lost Prophet

    out of royalties? $150m sounds like an awful lot to be paid as a bribe.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Other than that

    by Lost Prophet

    if it is a bribe it is truly dreadful behaviour (again). Overall though- DocP is right.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 9:19 a.m. CST

    So what's Bay going to say when someone leans in

    by half vader

    and informs him about 300 being exactly the same vc1 transfer on both formats? Can't wait for the next thrilling installment! Such a big fan! <p> Arghh, I hope you were joking too. There's way too much biased lunacy already, on both sides.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Arghh - Stop talking out of your Arghhhse...

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Fuck me. Evidently you've never seen either a Blu Ray or HD-DVD running to make such a fucking retarded statement. For billionth time, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray images ARE IDENTICAL and in most cases the exact SAME video stream is on HDDVD and BluRay, see 300, it's the same movie. The only thing BluRay offers is more storage space; it has NOT got superior picture abilities. End of Story.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST

    "Blu Ray is clearly superior,

    by fish tacos

    in resolution and everything to HD, the picture looks sharper in Blu Ray and there are more colors."<br> <br>Yes, you are absolutely correct, Arghh. Those are indeed fine reasons that clearly point out that Blu-Ray is the supreme format- but you neglected to mention what I think is Blu-Ray's biggest selling point over HD-DVD: Blu-Ray disks smell like pussy soaked in apple juice. All hail Blu-Ray

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    I've tried to register on Bay's site...

    by ELGordo

    but I can't for some reason. I wonder if his comments have something to do with that. God I wish this shit was just over, HD DVD or Blu Ray, I don't care just fucking pick one.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST


    by lionbiu

    DOES ANYONE GIVING A FLYING SHIT?!!? Seriously, my DVD's wwork fine and they look great...hardly anyone cares about this stupid format war and both will probably end up losing as neither format has the greater consumer market. The change from VHS to DVD was reasonable and everyone (from a 3 year old to a 90 year old) could see the difference and appreciated the many features DVD provided that VHS did not, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD do not have that same necessity or advancement so both seem pretty pointless.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Did you really say that MoparSRT ?

    by kilik777

    He said "That is all the 360 has going for them is more games." You are correct its about the amount of quality games in comparison to the ps3.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    give it up allseeing eye

    by Automation Overlord

    did microsoft bribe you with free taco's or something, your're totally gay for saying hd and blu ray or the same...fist of all one is blue and one is red..that right there proves all the difference in the world, plus they play on different players...your're clearly delusional and in need of mental help

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    are you for real???

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    HD-DVD Also uses a blue laser you muppet. Go get a clue. Everytime you post you make yourself look even MORE stupid.<br><br>I shouldn't really have to try and educate a baffoon like you, but the only thing that's different between BR and HD when you really look at it is storage; one movie encoded with VC1 will play on EITHER format.<br><Br>Nominations for the most stupid kid alive are being taken now; you're going on that list.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    But you've actually just made a really good point for m

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Blu-Ray doesnt natively play DVD's. Players now can actually play DVD movies but there is absolutely nothing, NOTHING, in the white paper to promise future machines will be compatible.<br><br>So the other real danger of Blu Ray is, if it wins the format war (and i really doubt it will), nothing is stopping sony from producing players that won't play your old movies.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Allseeing eye...

    by Automation Overlord

    bottom line is that HD has to actually pay people to go HD DVD, the format is that outdated and useless, everyone who prefers HD has either been paid off by microsoft, or in your case, are realling fat with man boobs and just don't wanna stop having sex with your x-box. Blu ray is a step up, its got the market appeal that HD doesn't and the fact that more titles will be on blu ray just proves that it will win, even paramount flagship franchine, the indy movies will come out on bluray, and lets face it universal has never even put out a decent standard DVD, so no one is rushing to buy any of their titles, besides blue is very calming, redneck whitetrash wal mart shoppers are gonna choose blue over red cause the red packaging will only cause then to get drunk and beat their wives, blue will calm them into eating a tv dinner and watching larry the cable guy. The future is blue, Hd is for selfish cow huggers who don't understand technology

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Oh that's a corker

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    "Blue Ray is a step up, it's got the market appeal that Hd doesn't"<br><br>You better go tell that to Paramount who've just dropped the BluRay format like a hot potato. That's a corker. Honestly, Sony should give you a job in their marketing department since 99% of their claims are as delusional and fabricated as yours.<br><br>For what its worth, Sony have tried to buy more support than Toshiba/Microsoft ever have and when that hasn't worked they've just gone with the old tactic of muscling people into compliance.<br><br>Blu Ray offers nothing that HD-DVD can't offer for less money and that's what's going to make it the final victor of the format war. The fact that PS3 sales are so behind forecast that Sony have had to adjust their year ends THREE TIMES in 2007 while Toshiba HD-DVD players continue to fly off shelves.<br><Br>Now excuse me while I go have sex with my xbox, my wonderful wonderful sexbox 360; a games console that actually HAS games to play.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Automation- you're a douche

    by Johnny LaPlegm

    Google "project hydra" and tell me about people being paid to schill a format. Sony bought every fan it has by paying off studios, paying its viral marketers, and cannibalizing its game division in the form of subsidizing PS3 costs. None of you gamerz would give a shit about Blu-Ray if it wasn’t built in to PS3. Sony promised studios huge PS3 sales and got…a last place finisher. If all studios released in both, it would be a no contest victory for HD DVD because no sane person pays twice as much money for the identical thing. Whichever 12 year old posted that Blu-Ray looks better than HD-DVD- these are optical discs, not movie encodes. The disc has absolutely ZERO to do with how a movie looks. Encoding is where the magic happens. Want an example of shitty picture quality? Google Fifth Element on Blu-Ray. So good it was re-released already. Blu Ray offers more DRM, less features, unfinished specs, higher costs. All for…the same picture and audio quality. The best thing Blu-Ray can offer is superior games; if anyone gets off their ass to make some for PS3.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    LOL @ your technological prowess Auto

    by Johnny LaPlegm

    "Hd is for selfish cow huggers who don't understand technology." And "fist of all one is blue and one is red.." HD DVD also uses a blue laser douche.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    LMAO you make me laugh

    by Automation Overlord

    you are such an HD lover its not even funny, you're one of those guys who won't even admit that hd isn't the best there is and theres no way in hell it will ever win the format war. This thing will go on for a long time, but in the end the only forseeable outcome is blu ray dominating the market. Just with fox, disney and sony on the BD side, bluray is already going to have more blockbusters on the market then HD ever will. Paramount and universal only have a handfull of decent titles, and warners will be in both formats so i'll admit that warner's titles are the only safe bet. Yes, most film geeks will want the classics like godfather, or the universal horror films, but the majortiy of buyers are gonna want, james bond, starwars, spiderman, pirates, terminator, pixar, lion king, harry potter, all of which will be blu ray. Besides any format neutral titles warners puts out what blockbusters of the last 10 years are gonna be on hd...italian job and king kong...ohhhh pretty wide selection there. blu ray has the upper hand admit it, HD's audience is far to small and nerdy to dominate the next gen won't even get any spielberg movies suckers hahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Johnny LaPlegm...

    by Automation Overlord

    i was talking about the cases, not the laser. bluray cases are clearly blue, whist HD cases are clearly red...geez are you stupid or something

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    You speak as if

    by Johnny LaPlegm

    studio support is a constant. You just witnessed how easily studio support changes. And I don't care if the $150 mil in advert money is real; Paramount never would've caved if they thought there was real money to be made in Blu-Ray. It takes a 5 to 1 advantage in hardware for Blu-Ray to outsell HD DVD 2 to 1 in software (and that’s with pitifully low overall volume for both). Oh my, what happens when $200 and under HD players hit the shelves?

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST


    by MoparSRT

    yes you may have games but microsoft also paid of all those developers ( the majority of them ) before the xbox came out in order ot get taht line up teh yhave now. sony earned theirs with the PS1 an the PS2 and it will do teh same with the ps3. its just off to slower start then expected but you will see. O and to say hd-dvd looks teh same as bluray is an insult. the psp does 40x more for the ps3 tehn it does the 360. you truely need ot have your eyes checked man or go see a shirnk becuase you have lost your mind. just give up man

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    My fault

    by Johnny LaPlegm

    For assuming you were actually discussing something relevant; not the colors of the fucking cases. What are you a chick? Do the blue cases match your panties?

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 3:42 p.m. CST


    by TheAllSeeingEye

    The only person here who needs to see a shrink is you my friend. You've been so brainwashed by the Playstation brand that you're talking garbage.<br><Br>It's not an opinion, rather a FACT, that Blu Ray and HD-DVD movies are identical. The technical specs of each format bears NO impact, WHATSOEVER, on the video quality of encoding with VC1 or AVC. If you've convinced yourself otherwise, you're the one deluding yourself.<br><Br>As for xbox developers, no MS haven't paid anyone off, Rockstar themselves have confirmed that the fact 360 sells so well is reason enough to get developing and are always being offered free exclusives; unlike Sony who've had to BUY exclusivity. You know why that is? Because the machine doesn't meet the forecasts. They promised so many million units would be sold by Xmas 2007 and they're NOWHERE near it. They're also not likely going to come close to that target either since developers can't get to grips with the dev hardware, (which is in constant development, no final tools/libraries means no games), and there are NO major titles to play.<br><Br>What's coming out on PS3 this Christmas? Answer: No one cares because they're all playing XBOX. Jesus, the 360 has 4 MAJOR RELEASES BEFORE christmas. That's how you please your fans and reward gamers; not by conning them into purchasing an over-priced, over-hyped George Foreman grill.<br><Br>Oh and what's this new information coming from Electronic Arts? PS3 CAN'T do their games at 60fps but 360 can? Wow.<br><Br>As for PSP connectivity, who cares? You mentioned music and that's about all it can do and about all most people WANT it to do. But just to add insult to injury the PSP is another groslly underperforming product when compared to its market competition, the Nintendo DS which outsells is in some rediculous order of 10:1 or something<br><br>Evidently, telling you to give up would be pointless and, lets face it, if all sony fanboys did the Playstation brand would truly be screwed.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    JUonny LaPlegm..

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    He wasn't. He was talking about the lasers but two people on here just made him look stupid; well more stupid than he makes himself look at any rate.<br><BR>Even if he was talking about the cases though he's still fucking wrong; HD-DVD cases are Maroon, not Red.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST

    maroon is a shade of red

    by Automation Overlord

    so technically HD is in red cases, wikipeia that crap if you don't believe me

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    but its not red though...

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Thats why they call it maroon; idiot.<br><br>Every single time you post you just look even more stupid. Why do you make it so easy?

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST

    actually its red

    by Automation Overlord

    i take this directly from wikipedia "Maroon is a color related to dark red. Maroon is a type of red, mixed with brown not purple or pink. Although conceptually a color mixture, it can be regarded as a dark (and possibly also desaturated) shade of red. Derived from French marron ("chestnut"), it didn't become a color-word in English until ca. 1791."

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    So you've basically shown us

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Why it's not red. I suppose we could argue Black is nothing more than a very dark shade of grey while we're at it. And how can you mix red with pink, pink is a very light red. Hahahaha. Clown<br><br>It's amusing to think that you can't actually see that BR and HD-DVD offer exactly the same thing but think two totally different colors are identical.<br><br>While you're on Wikipedia might I suggest you look up BluRay and HD-DVD? And when you've read how they're the same thing near enough maybe you could look up 'mental retardation' and see what you're suffering from. I'm betting it's some kind of genetic inbreeding thing that's slowed you down.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    your just grasping at strings here

    by Automation Overlord

    i'm sure your mom wil make dinner soon, don't you have something better to do, blu ray is a much better format, why can't you just admit tell me how do you intend to watch a james bond movie or a pirates movie, have fun with the super long director's cut of hulk, now with more crying

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    I won't have to worry about James Bond..

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Since, i've said this a million time, i own a Blu Ray player. As someone in the position to see both running I can honestly say, hand on heart, that there is NO advantage to BR so far. Movies on my HD-DVD player look as vibrant, if not more so and certainly one or two titles have superior audio on the HD-DVD format; i cannot and will not recommend people spend more money on a product that offers nothing more than its cheaper counterpart. I'm even less inclined to give Sony any endorsement because their entire fucking marketing scheme with Blu Ray has been shocking and their Games console customers have had to suffer no games and be out of pocket for the pleasure of owning what is nothing more than a very shiny paperweight.<br><br>Anyway, even if i didn't own BR i'm pretty certain that Sony wouldn't cut their noses off by NOT releasing movies on HD-DVD. James Bond would be innevitable.<br><Br>But no doubt you'll keep on deluding yourself. It's been humorous though i'll give you that but i do kinda feel bad for mocking someone with your level of mental disfunction.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    This is the stupidest TB in the history of AICN...

    by Bone-In Foray

    ...and here's why. Well - as a drunken and drugged-out-of-his-gourd homeless man attempted to explain to me the other day - "There is no 'WHY' man... there is no 'why'..." He smelled, and so do all of you uber nerds. Now stop using up precious bandwidth and head over to a 'Superbad' TB thread. Not unlike Ferris - this movie clearly needs to be saved from impending doom.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST

    glad to see allseeing supports bluray

    by Automation Overlord

    our side is truly great to have him aboard in the war on good vs evil, all hail blu!

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST

    This is "It Ain't Cool News"

    by RAVENL0RD

    Nothing like the fall of western civilization. Stupid Hollywood studios messing up the high-def market.

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST

    by 2012 everyone will be using Green Ray

    by Automation Overlord

    Oddly enough The Green Ray will also help us to defeat the invading martians of 2012

  • Aug. 22, 2007, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Why the joke is always going to be on the movie execs..

    by BurnHollywood

    ...Because given the choice, 99% of everybody would rather watch something in a three inch window for free than drop a grand for an HD-TV, Blu/HD DVD player and the disks themselves...welcome to Net 2.0, muthafuckas!

  • Aug. 23, 2007, 11:32 a.m. CST

    HD-DVD vs. BLU-RAY

    by Kartho

    Can someone tell me what the fuss is all about? Paramount HD-DVD exclusive? Yes, so-fucking-what? Why doesn't anyone get all worked up about Disney being BLU-RAY exclusive? I could understand people being upset if everyone else was supporting both formats and Paramount was the only EXCLUSIVE here.....but I think the problem here is that BLU-RAY has just got back some of his own medicine, and it doesn't taste good, does it? So, all you pro-BLU, sort out your own shit before looking at others. Paramount has just began fighting back at a war started by SONY.....and history will repeat itself, ain't it right, BETAMAX?

  • Aug. 23, 2007, 11:34 a.m. CST

    The end of Blur-Ray

    by FlyingToupee

    Warners is about to announce that they are also going to support HD DVD exclusively. This will be a day long remembered...

  • Aug. 23, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    I fucking hope so..

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    If only to see how Bill Hunt at Digital Bits goes completely monkey shit insane at such news.<br><br>His entire reasoning for supporting BluRay is 50% Nonsensical, 50% Hypocritical. He's turned into a total douche.<br><br>The most amusing fact is that his excuse for i mean..promoting BluRay is that he wants the format war to end soon. So do i. Guess what Bill, the format you backed just fucking lost.

  • Aug. 23, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST


    by FlyingToupee

    I agree about Bill Hunt. He's become a foaming at the mouth zealot on the subject of Blu-ray. He's gonna go through a complete meltdown when things really get bad for his format of choice. I long for the days when Bill gave us news about upcoming releases, and not his pathetic editorial slant on the format war.

  • Aug. 23, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    At least he wants the format war to end.

    by RAVENL0RD

    Right now, everyone is losing the format war. EVERYONE. "Yea! I just got Blu-ray and can only get half the movies I want!" "Yea! I just got HD-DVD and can only get half the movies I want!" At least Bill is rooting for this thing to be over and done with which is what any sane consumer would want.

  • Aug. 23, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Hunt &Kartho, no what they're actually arguing about is

    by half vader

    Disagree wih Hunt all you want, but it's ALWAYS been his 'editorial' site, Toupee. He NEVER said it was just the impartial objective facts so the 'selling out' stuff is ridiculous. He may be completely wrong but he never ever said he was impartial. It'd be silly considering how he raves like a loon every time he's on G4 talking over the other guys. Again, I'm not saying I'm on his side or that he's right, just that the site's ALWAYS been about their opinions and was never presented as the facts, but the way he sees it. Same as Harry, ironically enough. Where Hunt muddies the waters is when he gives his opinion but says it's based on the facts. I think people confuse this with him saying he's objective. Not the same thing at all (just look at this TB). Boy Hunt gets your goat, doesn't he Allseeing?! You're going a bit monkey shit insane there too. Oh ;) BTW, just so you don't rip me a new one. We need you to liven up the Mikey Bay site. It's got Bay hataz, Transformers fans and the format war, but somehow no spirit. <p> Kartho, it's not that Paramount are exclusive. It's that they were previously were dual format, got paid (all's fair in...) and also dumped everything they already had in development for Blu and the stuff ready to go. Even the people within Paramount working on the BR discs at the end of last week weren't told. The reason Disney are different in that respect are that they never started out supporting HD-DVD and then dumped them. People aren't upset and confused because Disney are alienating half the market by ignoring HD-DVD, they're upset because Paramount WERE supporting both and stopped due to a quick 150 mill, which may be very clever as it covers 18 months, and doesn't include Spielberg's movies. Still makes them hypocrites whereas Disney are not. Again don't read a bias into my comments here ('cause God knows I hate Disney). This is just how I understand things. Actually no, I'm wrong - Michael Bay is VERY confused.

  • Aug. 24, 2007, 12:57 a.m. CST


    by MoparSRT

    i havnt given up but i did think about somethin. the only thing you have really contested with me thus far is software. yes i will giv the 360 that, it has a good line up. oo ya by the way sony never payed any developer, i hate people that are jealous like you. as far as bluray vs. hd-dvd you have lost your mind. uncompressed audio and video is so much beter hence the amount of space bluray offers. until you can give me hard facts to back all of what you have said, im not backing down

  • Aug. 24, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Fuck Blu Ray, Fuck HD

    by Alex D

    The future of movies is not in these useless formats but HD digital downloads. By the time you have all of your films on Blu Ray stacked in piles in your bedroom, I will have them in HD on my TV hard drive.

  • Aug. 24, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    True Alex, but

    by half vader

    It will take years for them to get anywhere near the low levels of compression and high level of quality. As I said, you can get "high def" Star Trek from xbox live, sure. But it's only 720 because 1080 would be TWICE the pixels and the file size would skyrocket. What's the average monthly download quota? Wouldn't even cover a single true-HD movie. And people like MS are known for quality (which is the whole point of HD over SD)? Ha! What do you think your ISP will charge for downloading that sort of amount of data even a couple of years from now? Even if you only get a few a month and taking into account better compression codecs you're still talking what? A few hundred bucks a month to your ISP? That's even if you're getting the movies for free! And when I say "you" I mean in general - the average punter. <p> Yes you're right it absolutely is the future, but it's a way off yet.

  • Aug. 25, 2007, 9 p.m. CST


    by lichtenfelt

    Box Office 2006 Source: Box Office Mojo Position Title Studio Domestic Gross 1 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest BV $423,315,812 2 Cars BV $244,082,982 3 X-Men III: The Last Stand Fox $234,362,462 4 The Da Vinci Code Sony $217,536,138 5 Superman Returns WB $200,081,192 6 Ice Age: The Meltdown Fox $195,330,621 7 Happy Feet WB $185,625,671 8 Night at the Museum Fox $165,150,384 9 Casino Royale Sony $160,047,891 10 Over the Hedge P/DW $155,019,34 11 Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby Sony $148,213,377 12 Click SonR $137,340,146 13 Mission: Impossible III Par. $133,501,348 14 Borat Fox $126,598,982 15 The Pursuit of Happyness Sony $124,834,524 Paramaount only holds the #10 + #13 spots, Universal didn't make the top 15

  • Aug. 25, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST


    by lichtenfelt

    Paramount going hd-dvd is just dragging out the inevitable. How can hd-dvd compete against Playstation 3, Disney/Buena Vista, MGM, 20th Century Fox, Newline Cinema. This Holiday season I'll bet blu-ray will see Lord of the Rings trilogy, Aliens movies, all four Die Hard movies announced among others at, quite possibly Spielberg flicks. Game over man, game over. Paramount win this war pahlease.

  • Aug. 26, 2007, 6:24 a.m. CST

    I only own one title from that top 15 list Lichtenfelt

    by Mace Tofu

    And that SONY DVD looked fine up-converted on my HD DVD player. I'm sure HD DVD of HEROES will look mighty fine this Tuesday night too. I'm sure all you BluRay owners will be enjoying HEROES up-converted off the Standard DVD version.

  • Aug. 26, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST


    by RAVENL0RD

    As a Blu-ray owner, I must admit that I am envious of the HD-DVD release of Heroes... Stupid format war.

  • Aug. 27, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST

    HD DVD is what I prefer...maybe not better

    by nicegoogly

    I was caught between buying an HD DVD player and a PS3. The deciding factor was Dune and Batman Begins. Batman Begins was going to be released on Blu-Ray but has not seen the light of day. I love the PS3 fanboys that get upset when something goes HD DVD. One excuse I saw on a message board was "Batman Begins is delayed because they want to amke sure it looks better than HD DVD." Now, with Paramount's change of heart, I have read a lot of "That is such bullshit..." HD DVD backers are called whiners when something goes Blu-Ray and their is a complaint. I could give a fuck about transformers, but Star Trek has me psyched. Heroes will be fun on HD DVD. Blu-Ray and have Fantanstic Four and Spiderman 3. Sony wanted to sell more of what they hold exlusive license to. This would not be the first Sony disaster in release that had "superior quality". Beta, obviously, but what about the minidisc? Remember that crap? Sony shows no loyalty to those that have been loyal. The moment you buy their 20 gb music player, they fuckin' drop support for it, just like the memory stick player and their palm division. When they were in the palm manufacturing market, they would release a palm once week, and two weeks later, the more expensive upgrade would be on sale. No exaggeration. All those video game fans that are involving themselves in the format war are being used by Sony to hock their wares. Both formats share similar quality, but HD DVD is better on the special features part. Size? Is that what makes it better? Sony is not even using all the space on their releases. Most HD DVD use more of their space than Blu-Rays do. Once PS3 sales plateau, goodbye Blu-Ray and it's studio support.

  • Aug. 27, 2007, 9:24 p.m. CST


    by RAVENL0RD

    And Microsoft really supported the original XBOX after the 360 launched, didn't they?

  • Aug. 28, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    I don't think I was being cryptic

    by nicegoogly

    I never said Microsoft is without issue. But three years of support is a lot more than two weeks. Didn't mean to throw so much math at you. Do you still have tech support on your Commodore 64?

  • Aug. 28, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    "who cares?"" Satisfied with DVD"???

    by ufoclub1977

    I can't believe that there are people satisfied with the way DVD looks when you can see such a huge difference between it and a true HD picture. I guess there were lots of people who thought the same about VHS to DVD.

  • Aug. 28, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Alex D: I have 50 Blu-ray movies and 13 HD DVDs..

    by polyh3dron

    ...and these formats have only been out for a year. Do you realize how muchhard drive spae it would take for me to download a movie collection such as mine? A little under 3 TERABYTES. Fuck downloading, I want to actually own the copies of movies that I buy.

  • Aug. 28, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    They did NOT off Michael Bay the directing job on Halo.

    by polyh3dron

    Neil Blomkamp has that gig.

  • Aug. 28, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Transformers was great if you r a 10yr old w/ low IQ

    by lichtenfelt

    Transformers was so lame. A giant metal square determines the fate of the world. Hellraiser literally had a more creative and interesting plot. Get this, the robots seriously over acted. Talked like 10yr old boys playing w/ action figures would talk. "you fool," etc. 11 of the top 15 movies of 2006 according to Mojo were made by blu-ray exclusive studios. 7 of thoses 15 were made by Sony studios. Paramount only held the #10 + #13 spots, Universal which is hd-dvds only other exclusive studio did not have a movie in 2006 which made the top 15. Blu-ray has Disney/Buena Vista, Sony, MGM, 20th Century Fox, and Lionsgate as exclusives. This only puts hd-dvd on life support instead of dying this year. The war is all but won. One format to rule them all. You're my boy blu. Hd-dvd is simply holding back the format by encouraging more people to sit on the fence and not adopt hi-def. discs. Do they really think they can beat DISNEY, and Playstation? There will be an estimated 30,000,000 PS3s sold by 2010.

  • Aug. 28, 2007, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Why do people hate Sony, cause they can't afford it.

    by lichtenfelt

    I'm so sick of people bashing Sony b/c their products are out of reach of the average consumer. If you want the best quality in any sector of consumerism you have to be willing to pay more. I have owned numerous Sony products dating back to the original cassette Walkman. Dropped it about 118 times and it just wouldn't stop working. Finally put it to rest when portable cd players came out. Sometimes I have purchased other brands when buying electronics but more often than not I end up w/ a product that quits functioning properly after a few years. I have NEVER regretted a Sony purchase. Let me whine on about Ferrari b/c I can't afford one. Here's a little secret, all companies that sell electronics are in it for financial gain and will charge what the market allows depending on the quality of the good or service. You get what you pay for is not an empty slogan. You can keep your bargain based high def equipment, but probably not for very long.

  • Aug. 29, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    No one is arguing quality

    by nicegoogly

    Sony makes a great product. I only purchase VAIO laptops. I may be wrong, but I don't think anyone was saying Sony was a piece of shit. Hell, before the Treo, Sony had the slickest palms out there that were also mp3 players. Nice package. Also, I don't think that people are bashing Sony merely because it is out of their price range. If we are talking from a gaming perspective, XBox 360 kills Sony right now. Sony is still not a year old yet, but they are way behind with killer apps that 360 had by this time in its release. I have never regretted a Sony purchase, for the most part, but it still does not mean they show loyalty to the historical Sony consumer, especially in the day and age in which certain products require updates to work properly with xp or vista computers. Memory Stick Walkman came up weeks before XP was release and Sony refused to update the driver to work with XP. Bullshit on that. I have plenty of money to spend on a PS3 and have been tempted many a time to buy one, but I think it is a waste of time with no great apps. Those of us that have paid the 400 + 199 for the Xbox HD DVD combo are at the same price anyway, so it is not about bitching Sony out for being too expensive. The PS2 did so well because it hit the right medium. It got the 12-45 year olds, it was reasonably priced, it had more games than the other two systems combined. Then Sony made it cheaper and smaller. The PS3 is a higher end product, no question. But Sony alienated a lot of PS2 fans by pricing it out of their reach. It alienated those that purchased it by releasing crap games. Resistance is a great PS3 game, but has nothing on Gears and other games out there. Many programmers have difficulty programming for the PS3 (don't respond by saying "It's because the PS3 is too good), just like Blu-Ray is harder to program for than HD DVD. I won't argue that Xbox 360 was a reliable machine in its first year as mine also succumbed to the red circle of death. Comparing a purchase of a PS3 with a Ferrari does your argument no good. Plus, was Sony bashing Sony because its products are out of reach since they dropped the price $100.00? They knew that this high end "gaming" system was over-priced. As far as overall value, the original price was great as it was, a PS3 and Blu-Ray player. Where it begins to lose value is in the software, nothing great available right now. Both Blu-Ray and HD DVD catalogs are really not deep enough yet on either side to say holy crap, thank God I have one or the other to see x movie now. I do agree that Transformers was fuckin' ridiculous. But a lot of people, older than 10 really loved it. I have no explanation for it (I believe my three brothers to be retarded for their praise of this film). Unless Sony gets a lot of really killer games in the next year, I highly doubt the 30 million sales projection will come close. The only whining here is you trying to defend the money you spent. Sounds like a little buyer's remorse on your end.

  • Aug. 30, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    It's not about Sony vs. Venturer

    by Johnny LaPlegm

    Any educated consumer knows that a name brand product like Sony or Panasonic will be better than an el cheapo brand. The problem is that the components used to build Blu-Ray players are inherently more expensive than those used to make HD-DVD players. Numerical aperture is much higher on BR lens requiring more expensive optics and drive systems with tighter motion control. Onkyo is building a flagship HD DVD player at $899. Denon is building a flagship Blu-Ray player for $2000. You can't tell me the Onkyo will be crappy because it has a lower msrp. At $2K, its criminal that the Denon isn't a dual format player. Blu-Ray players have almost all of the drive components necessary to play HD-DVD (just missing software and a floating lens system). With PS3 cannibalizing other Blu-Ray standalones, I bet there are a lot of CE's looking at that option (LG and Samsung already have).

  • Aug. 30, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    If price isn't important...

    by Johnny LaPlegm

    ...why did BDA just trumpet an anouncement from Daewoo for an upcoming value priced Blu-Ray player? Seems like Sony and the BDA disagree with you, lichtenfelt. Oh and the irony that this cheap Chinese player is only the second 2.0 profile player announced is rich (the first is the $2K Denon). Why is Panasonic, a patent holder for Blu-Ray, not releasing at least a 1.1 profile player this year? Disney has announced movies that will require these interactive features. I wonder how long they'll be patient with the fluctuating specs. Perhaps their patience will run out about the time Sony's subsidies for replication of DL BD50 discs do.

  • Aug. 31, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Lair, Heavenly Sword and Warhawk

    by nicegoogly

    Someone posted earlier that these three title were going to be the saving grace of the PS3's gaming component and push it past the Xbox 360 and the Wii. Lair scored a 4.9 at, Heavenly Sword got mediocre reviews. While Warhawk got decent reviews, it is a flight game/dogfighting game that is multiplayer only which will probably effect its overall sale, but the $40.00 pricetag will help. I predict the system that reverts back to the $50.00 price tag for newly released games will get a huge boost. This $60.00 price bullshit is insulting. Mind you, I don't want the system to fail. Multiple gaming systems is good for competition and game development. But what is Sony doing except creating another Dreamcast?

  • Aug. 31, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST


    by Kree42

    Its kinda funny how everyone raises hell about money buying Paramount ,but no one mentions what S*** did before dropping yet another losing format on us(beta-max,mini-disc,umd) to try and sell game consoles that have NO confirmed shipped dates for its "great" games. The funny thing is the Wii outselling this great innovative format. Please if you bitch about Microsoft paying dont forget S*** does the same thing.

  • Sept. 9, 2007, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Nicegoogly I would love to

    by lichtenfelt

    Nicegoogly I would love to know what these killer apps are for the Xbox360 that you mention. Maybe you mean Rainbow six, Oblivion, NFL 08, Fight Night 3, all of which are also on the PS3. I own both systems which should make me a better judge of which one is more worthwhile. There weren't enough PS3s available last holiday season and it always takes about a year until the great games are released. Many highly anticipated titles are coming out in the next few months that will highlight the advantages of the Playstation format. The games are on 25gb discs compared to the xboxs 7gb discs. uses the PS3 as their reference standard to test many of the new hdtvs they review. Here is a link proving as such since my posts are about facts where yours are clearly about opinions and emotions. Add-on player are you kidding me? You have to run the Xbox 360 at the same time as the add-on player is running and the 360 is as loud as a Camaro with a blower. Xbox nickel and dimes people to death. $199 for add on hd-dvd, $100 for built in wi-fi, $50 a year for online play. The PS3 include blu-ray which anyone who researches can easily verify is superior to hd-dvd in every capacity, audio 24bits to 18, data transfer 53.95 to 36.55, playback time 5.6hrs to 3.3hrs at highest bitrate, studio support, and industry support. Here is a link which has a great comparison between the formats in the box about 2/3s of the way down the page: The PS3 has free online play, built in wi-fi, and internet browsing. 11 of top 15 movies of 2006 are from blu-ray exclusive studios. 7 of top 15 from Sony themselves. Box Office 2006 Source: Box Office Mojo Position Title Studio Domestic Gross 1 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest BV $423,315,812 2 Cars BV $244,082,982 3 X-Men III: The Last Stand Fox $234,362,462 4 The Da Vinci Code Sony $217,536,138 5 Superman Returns WB $200,081,192 6 Ice Age: The Meltdown Fox $195,330,621 7 Happy Feet WB $185,625,671 8 Night at the Museum Fox $165,150,384 9 Casino Royale Sony $160,047,891 10 Over the Hedge P/DW $155,019,34 11 Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby Sony $148,213,377 12 Click Sony $137,340,146 13 Mission: Impossible III Par. $133,501,348 14 Borat Fox $126,598,982 15 The Pursuit of Happyness Sony $124,834,524 Paramaount only holds the #10 + #13 spots, Universal didn't make the top 15. Top Ten Global Summer Blockbusters of 2007 # Film Gross ($M) 1 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End $958 blu only 2 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix $912 both 3 Spider-Man 3 $890 blu only 4 Shrek the Third $757 hd-dvd only 5 Transformers $685 hd-dvd only 6 The Simpsons Movie $482 blu only 7 Ratatouille $390 blu only 8 Die Hard 4.0 $356 blu only 9 Ocean's Thirteen $305 both 10 The Bourne Ultimatum $278 hd-dvd only 7 on blu-ray, 5 on hd-dvd. 5 blu-ray exclusives, 3 hd-dvd exclusives, 2 neutrals. Hd-dvd exclusive studios, Universal/NBC tv, and Paramount/Dreamworks Blu-ray exclusive studios, Sony, 20th Century Fox/Fox tv, Lionsgate, MGM, Disney/Buena Vista, Miramax. Plenty of good movies for both, but blu-ray has a much greater selection. 20th Century Fox has 29 titles coming before Xmas. Put together these facts when I was on the fence trying to decide between the 2 formats. I suppose I don't need to tell you which way I went. It had nothing to do with Sony infatuation, although I do believe that they make very good quality products hence they charge more and still are an industry leader. I had a Toshiba vcr many years ago and thought it was well made too. For me it came down to movies available and on the horizon. Studio backing, and elec. manufacturer support. Most electronic hardware producers have joined blu-ray including Philips, Sharp, JVC, LG, Daewoo, Loewe, Denon, Funai, Hitachi, Harmon Kardon, Sony, Apple, Dell, Acer, TDK, Samsung, Mitsubishi, and Hewlett Packard. Manufacturer support of hd-dvd, Hewlett Packard, Acer, Toshiba, NEC, LG (combo player), Microsoft, Intel, Sanyo, Samsung (combo player), and Venturer. I like both just fine, but if I were betting on the long run Blu-ray seems the obvious choice. As we all know, eventually there can be only one. No matter which way you go enjoy hd movies there is no comparison. Never been much for brevity as you may or may not have noticed. Then again I can follow why you wouldn't have noticed these things before purchasing hd-dvd as you accuse me of suffering from buyer's remorse when I clearly stated that I have never regretted a Sony purchase.

  • Sept. 13, 2007, 1:06 a.m. CST

    in ten years there won't BE hard media;

    by blonde redhead

    you'll be downloading everything. save your money and screw this format war. it is the height of bullshit.

  • Sept. 24, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Uhhgg...learn to read

    by nicegoogly

    You argued that xbox nickled and dimed me...after I already wrote in my post that the PS3 seems to be the at the same price point after the purchase of the hd-dvd player. I agree, the built in wi fi is an advantage and something I forgot about. But since many wireless cards max out at 54g, including the PS3, I will stick with the hardwire to my 20mbs modem. Matter of preference, I do not really know if the wireless negatively effect online gaming. I love how you referenced the blu-ray wiki, now that Sony is catching heat for rewriting all their wiki's, so that article is shit. There are plenty of articles going both ways, I did the research before I bought HD DVD, so the ones you pointed to echo every other pro blu ray article and are as useless as the pro hd dvd articles. And before you continue to make a fool of yourself regarding the quality, they are fuckin' even, slight video edget to HD DVD and slight sound edge to Blu-Ray. Storage capacity...ha! They have not used it and have been widely criticised for it. What the fuck do you need 100gb when you only need 15gb to pull it off. The more layers you add, the more sensitive the disk is and is prone to damage by merely taking it out of the case and feeding it into the front of the PS3 (idiotic design for a scratch sensitive media). Blu-Ray has been difficult to program for and has had less features than HD DVD. I am not saying the PS3 is not cool and that I don't want one ever. I love Sony products, but just because it is thrown in with the package, does not mean it is great. Xbox Live may cost mony, but it is more robust and has been developed for four years than the spastic PS3 "free online". Just wait, you will see that there will be details in coming games that will cost you (not that xbox doesn't do that, they do). GT5 will cost you $60.00, and you will have to spend to get cars and tracks and other shit. Same with the upcoming RPG's for PS3. By the way, regarding killer apps, why mention multi platform titles that I didn't mention? Are you really that much of a fanboy to leave yourself open for criticism on that? Gears of War, Bioshock, GRAW, GRAW 2 (which just got released on PS3, so there) uhhh...that Halo 3 game, heard of it?, Lost Planet. Also, check out IGN or Gamespot, most titles that Xbox 360 and PS3 share are always reviewed higher for 360 since the fuckin' next generation cell engine on the PS3 is nearly impossible to program for. How about that PS3 Home or whatever the avatar program will be? Pushed back to March of 2008. You want to surf the web on your TV, go ahead, I like to surf on a pc, but whatever floats your boat. The war will never end, no matter how many exclusive titles Sony thinks they have. Transformers is a huge hit and has pissed alot of PS3 and blu ray owners off. Plus, the delay of Batman Begins on blu ray. Batman Begins on HD DVD was one of the reasons why I went that way. Have fun playing GTA IV, DMC 4 on your PS3. Oh yeah, they are not exlusives any more. Plus, Xbox 360 will have an exlusive period with both titles, albeit short, before it will be out for the PS3. Wait a minute, the GTA IV is delayed, too. Have fun playing a handful of games, most of which are not even exlusive to your system. What I find very funny is, you responded to my reply regarding Sony's customer loyatly with fanboy "read this article, read that article, my dad is stronger than your dad" bullshit. Stop defending your purchase and try enjoying it. I am not saying Blu Ray will die, stop telling me HD DVD will because your shit is so much better. Beta, Mini Disc and Memory stick walkmans will forever haunt your shit. Now go to your boyfriend's house and play Gears of War or Halo 3 and see what your missing, because at the end of the day, you bought a fuckin' gaming machine that just happens to play Blu-Ray disks.

  • Sept. 28, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    I'm afraid to buy the hd-dvd add-on for the 360

    by zool43

    It already sounds like a jet engine when I play games. I can't imagine trying to watch movies with that obnoxious fan blaring. BTW after playing several online matches and half the campaign...Halo 3 is nowhere near as good as Resistance: Fall of Man. If this is the best 360 has to offer, I'm glad I got a PS3. And whenever GTA IV does come out, it's hitting both systems the same day.

  • Oct. 1, 2007, 7 p.m. CST


    by nicegoogly

    Halo 3 is all a hype machine. But I did not find Resistance to be a better game, though. I prefer GRAW, GRAW 2 and Lost Planet. My sound it usually too high to even notice the fans.

  • Oct. 3, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    HD DVD vs. Blue Ray podcast

    by pacino33

    In a 2 hour podcast, Movie Geeks United! discussed the HD DVD/Blue Ray wars with a technology expert from USA Today...the show also features an interview with a producer from The Criterion Collection.

  • April 25, 2009, 11:22 p.m. CST

    LAST! Go for LG!

    by James_O'Nasty