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No Butchie Instead!! HBO Passes On Season Two Of JOHN FROM CINCINNATI!!
I am – Hercules!!
“John From Cincinnati” has left the planet.
HBO execs said Monday the channel will not order a second season of the supernatural David Milch drama, whose first season concluded Sunday.
(HBO’s announcement, of course, contradicts talkbacker “AnimalStructure,” who has insisted in several “Cincinnati” talkbacks that HBO secretly ordered “Cincinnati’s” second season when it ordered season one. “AnimalStructure” also claims friends of his are already gearing up to shoot season two in Imperial Beach this autumn.)
Milch, who also created HBO’s “Deadwood,” is said to be developing other projects for the channel.
There’s no word on whether the two oft-discussed “Deadwood” TV-movies will ever actually go into production.
HBO’s less-expensive Sunday-night freshman, “Flight of the Conchords,” has not yet received a second-season order.
Jesus Christ Jesus Christ!!
Read all of the Hollywood Reporter’s story on the matter here.
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not unexpected
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Captivating nonesense still doesn't make up for not having a decent wrap up to Deadwood or another episode of Rome.
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if you ever have a friend in need, tell them to call one. they work better than you would think.
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now you got this out of your system, finish Deadwood. Don't leave us hanging.
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This was a really good show, and I think it would've had a stellar second season. Who knows, they might've even answered a few of the many questions fans had. Hopefully we'll get an idea of what was to be in store for us in a documentary or somesuch on the DVD.
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Is True Blood going to basically replace this (since HBO just picked it up)?
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I am as pissed at this development as I was confused by this strange, amazing series.
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what say you AnimalStructure?
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all the women the former president Chris Albrecht was beating so I guess the shows are going to suffer. Hey, at least we have Showtime, FX, and AMC to fill the gap for the spinelessnees that's HBO. Hell, in a few months time, a way over-priced box set of "John" will come out which no one will buy and the powers-that-be at HBO will be equally happy when no one buys it! Dude, how do the exec's at HBO and NBC get to keep their jobs? Oh, yeah, I forgot. We live in America now where presidents of companies and countries can be really bad at their jobs and there is no accountability.
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Is the rule that if new HBO shows don't take off and get hailed as the next Sopranos then they get the can? This wasn't the best show they've put out. Not the best of the year. But it was original and I was always curious about what was going to happen next. This series was never going to be huge, but one more season would have been nice. At least I'm pretty confident Conchords will get renewed. It seems to be getting pretty popular.
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Arguably the most interesting show on television right now. Rest in peace John.
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JESUS CHRIST!!!
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Those cocksuckers at HBO responsible for this decision need to be fed to Wu's pigs.
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I HATE HBO. HATE EM! The most confusing show ever and I loved every minute of it. Fucking HBO. GO TO HELL!!!
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That's my favorite show right now, if HBO doesn't pick it up I'll drop HBO, oh yeah.
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Thanks for mentioning it.
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And resolve that shit, you limber-dicked cocksucker.
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...in some way, shape, or form best be his return venture or elst I may feed said HBO cocksuckers to Wu's pigs. (God I miss Al...)
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Was there any kind of closure? Or was this another instance of what HBO did to Carnivale?
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Does this mean the troll who was inundating every damn talkback about this show will bugger off? Or will he (likley) now make with the "this show sucks, John of Cincinatti was good and it got cancelled, blah, blah, boo hoo" on all future talkbacks? I'm guessing the latter.
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and all of you who watched it will lose your lives on some invasion of the body snatchers shit, watch. actually it probably already happened if u were watchin this shit. what a horrid little show. makes me not wanna watch anything milch does again, including deadwood. he just fucked himself with this dumb show. LOL@ herc tryin to get everyone to watch it. moron.
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Milch - please do not develop further projects until you've finished Deadwood. Developing JFC is what led to no full final season of Deadwood. We'd better get those Deadwood feature-length episodes before any new projects.
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This show wanted to be so quirky and existential, and it just tried WAY too hard. Rebecca DeMornay did not help. A Deadwood wrap-up would be nice, or HBO, why don't you start filming A Song of Ice and Fire RIGHT NOW?
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screw you, whoever's responsible
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Goddam HBO hoopleheads!
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So I could catch Weeds.... also watched the first episode of Dexter and really enjoyed it. I caught Brotherhood on Netflix and enjoyed it too... next I'll be checking out Meadowlands, Californication, and The Tudors to see how they are.... as much as I've enjoyed the Wire, after 10 years of HBO, I don't know that I'll bother to switch back.... those fucks at HBO have to be losing subscribers left and right..... fucking hoopleheads.
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Now I remember exactly how I felt when HBO cancelled Carnivale.
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And where the fuck is Animal-Why-don't-you-guys-listen-to-me-'cause-I-know-people-Structure? He's got some fucking crow to eat.
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because I knew in my gut that if I invested my time into a new series, they'd just yank it off the air prematurely (a la Carnivale, Rome, and Deadwood). Let's face it: it's once again become the channel for MOVIES - not SERIES. Don't bother to waste your time getting involved in a show that will ultimately dissapoint you.
On a related note:
I love FX for the same reason I hate HBO. If The Shield, Nip/Tuck, Rescue Me, or Sunny in Philly were on HBO, they'd all be long gone by now. -
Showtime is now eating HBO's lunch. Showtime has Weeds, Brotherhood, Penn and Teller, This American Life, Sleeper Cell and Dexter. HBO has... FotC (and no one watches that).
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Maybe HBO got John to deliver the news to the set and no one understood that they were cancelled.
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When you've got good ones, keep em working. Just make sure you put them in a good show next time!!
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If I were you, I'd run. Run for your fucking life.
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...that this is what happens when people take the word of random people over the interweb.
"Say, some total stranger on the internet just told me that Tom Cruise is really from Mars, and he's going to lead a plot to take over the presidency of France. I, for one, believe him completely."
Ok, well maybe *that* one's true, but you get my point here...
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Did anyone at all understand or make sense of the last show??? Or has a link to a site that explains it?? 9 weeks of bullshit!
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This show was an underwhelming mess since day one. Milch had no plan and was just riffing from episode to episode.
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Milch writes JFC and tricks HBO execs to do JFC...
HBO execs trick Milch into writing 10 more episodes... the THEN pull the plug.
Milch is VERY VERY VERY much overhyped. There's just so much redwood the HBO execs can take up the ass. -
Would much rather see the 2 deadwood movies instead of season 2 of JFC. There was a few hotties on this show but no real nudity , the kid couldn't act for crap and the lead character , while doing a decent job , just made little sense a lot of the time.
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And I miss Calamity Jane and Richardson, too! Get back to DEADWOOD, Milch. I bought that shitty book for $25, you owe me!
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I've been screwed by HBO too many times to count now. No battered wife syndrome for me. I'm outta here.
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I'm done with HBO, how are you going to can a series like that without a second season? I'll wait till series is picked up and established and then Netflix it. My money isn't going to this shyte cycle anymore.
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I feel like i've been taking a beating from HBO for years now myself. I was a HUGE Sopranos fan and they let that dick head David Chase fuck with there heads because "it's my creation, I am the Sopranos,there won't be anymore Sopranos without me waaa waa waa" and noow this fuck is doing the same thing. I wasn't a Deadwood fan but I respect the fact that people get interested in shows and they want closure. I got some closure with Angel and Buffy even though Angel was fucked over for some bull shit like Jack and Bobby or One Tree Hill,it still helps to have a finale. I watched JFC and i was as confused as anyone else,I slightly enjoyed it and would have watched more to understand what this whole mess of a show was about but people like Milch and Chase don't think we deserve that. They just like fucking with there fans. I say to hell with them and to hell with HBO. If they do this with Big Love i'm out for good.
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Though I would have kept it for Rome. Which is also done. There's always DVD rental. I'm definitely curious about this Alan Ball vampire thing. But where the heck's our Preacher series?!
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all I really care about now on HBO.
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JFC was garbage, and deserved to be flushed with the rest of the turds. Tell me you love me will last one season too. Flight of the Conchords however is genius stuff, and needs a second season, especially since Entourage has been spinning its wheels all summer.
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bring it to a close after just 10 episodes all but cements its below-the-radar, cult-item status for the next several decades to come, a la 'the prisoner' or (to a lesser extent), 'twin peaks'
also it'd be easy for me to be angry at HBO for pulling the plug on JFC, but no other channel than HBO allows these sorts of fringe-y shows to happen anymore, so kudos -
That's all I care about.
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GET BACK TO DEADWOOD, JERK OFF!!! Tired of great series ending without closure... that's why ROME was so awesome, I don't care that it was only two seasons as they got to end it properly.
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Best thing about that show was the opening credits. Great music and imagery. Too bad the series couldn't match that. It had it's potential, but I don't knock HBO for canceling it. They should have stayed away from the play scenes/speech's a bit more and perhaps answered some questions. There were a couple eps I really hated like the pilot and the John's speech one down the road. They made absolutely no sense. But then there were some eps that really showed the potential like the 2nd and a few others. Too bad they never could capitalize on them. ED O'Neal was GREAT in it though.
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BUT I respected what it was attempting. I also feel bad for the fans who wanted to put in the effort and time to put it all together. Those calling it shit I ask you, do you believe it was really shit or is it possible you just perfer to have your entertainment spoonfed to you? In any case HBO has showed yet again contempt for its PAYING audience and has SHIT ON YOU AGAIN.
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Finally a show that dared to be different after years and years of the same run-of-the-mill bullshit and they cancel it. This is when I'm pissed we have to live in a world full of double digit IQs, welcome back to the lowest common denominator America. Guess I'll go watch America's Next Top Hell Kitchen Sing-A-Long. Jesus Christ Jesus Christ....
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And what you end up with is two guys having knife fight in a cornfield.
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Before I switch to Showtime, is The Tudors any good?
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... let's face it, the entire cast was let go and went on to other projects. It ain't gonna happen. This message brought to you by the COCKSUCKERS AT HBO!
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It did? Remember the good ole days when finales resolved shit?
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YOU SCREWED ME ON CARNIVALE, YOU SCREWED ME ON ROME! I STAYED LOYAL THOUGH CAUSE I LOVED SOPRANOS. AND I'M GLAD I DID BECAUSE I DISCOVERED THE CONCHORDS. GUESS WHAT HBO! SOPRANOS IS OVER, AND IF YOU SHIT CAN CONCHORDS I'LL DUMP YOU! I LIKE ENTOURAGE BUT WITH THE WAY THAT SERIES HAS BEEN GOING I WILL NOT KEEP A SUBSCRIPTION JUST FOR IT. I WILL HOWEVER KEEP A SUBSCRIPTION FOR FLIGHT OF THE CONCHORDS. ENTOURAGE HAS BEEN CRAP SINCE SEASON 3, WITH AN OCCASIONAL GOOD EPISODE BUT USUALLY THE "SAME STUFF DIFFERENT DAY" ROUTINE. CONCHORDS HOWEVER IS INCREDIBLE, FRESH, FUNNY, SMART, GREAT MUSIC, ETC!!!!!!
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Dead like me?
Sleeper Cell?
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What seperated JFC from other HBO shows was its overwhelming sense of "goodness". Where all the other HBO (and Showtime) show's bathed in the excesses of nihilism, JFC dared to create a world of sweetness and redemption. It shared some of that with "Deadwood" (along with "Deadwood's" sense of community). There was a hopefulness and optomism to the show that moved me numerous times (even when I didn't know, really, what was going on or WHY I was moved.) I cried when Zippy returned. How weird was that? Well, I'm crying a little bit now. So, goodbye "John From Cincinnati". Its sad to lose a new friend who should have become an old one.
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well FU hbo, I will be dropping you.
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http://www.hbo.com/apps/submitinfo/contactus/submit.do?title=Films&questiontype=films
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I can't believe HBO!!! Word the execs... STOP LOOKING FOR THE NEXT SOPRANOS!! Let these shows grow and become contenders on their own.
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Aug 14, 2007 11:15:27 AM CDT
HBO should make COMPLETE, one-off single season series
by immortal_fish
If this is going to be their eventual modus operandi, then put it to work at the onset of a new show. Why try to hook only a portion of their subscribers with something that'll never be concluded? Not everything must be a franchise, especially when nothing turns into a franchise anyway. I'm not going to cancel HBO, but I'm really getting tired of their bullshit.
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HBO probably has no business doing TV series for their network. Because they don't have ad revenue like the big 3 networks. Just show movies. One season serial dramas do not work! If they're not willing to allow a serial drama to fruition thru 3-4 years then don't start it. Along with the fact that they're catering to a smaller audience which is getting smaller by the minute with their recent failures.
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Anything that keeps Big Love on the air is fine with me.
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It's not bad, but not great either. I find that it gets on my nerves alot since so much of the show revolves around the infantile, shallow and near-sighted behavior of the king. There are just enough interesting aspects to continue to watch it, but not enough to recommend it to other, IMO.
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I called this a long time ago. The show sucked and had horrible ratings. While not super expensive, it wasn't by any means cheap to produce either. It's karma against that self important, conceited, and ADD ridden ass Milch who decided to do this over Deadwood. Serves him right. A successful show isn't enough for him (see NYPD Blue and Deadwood), he has to do something new every three years.
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Showtime are showing some good stuff but I've always thought of their programs as standard USA drama but with no "censorship" strings attached. HBO, I've thought were better than that. They aspired to true art. Programs that would not have stood a chance anywhere else were shown by HBO on their artistic merits alone. However, they are now just acting like any mainstream TV studio. Ratings bad - cancel it. Carnivale and now JfromC . Why bother showing really quirky, minority audience shows, if they are not gong to continue them??
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for the heads up.
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If it loses its musical numbers, which are a blight on the landscape of television. Of course those numbers are the core of the show's identity, so I guess it would be a good thing if it got canceled.
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Can't seem to get an interesting plot going.
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A failure, this was.
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Fuck you HBO.
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There was a great theme underlying this series, one I imagine might have been clear only to those old enough to remember when California and its beach community were a fantasy for those of us who didn't live there. The entire series was about recapturing what's been lost. Think about it...the ruined lives of the main characters; the cute seaside motel that's become a dump; the natural wonder of surfing, which has largely given way to commercialism and big money; even the El Camino, so representative of Cali's historic car culture, got back into the act. As for the religious aspect, Milch held out this reminder of Americana-lost in much the same hopeful way Old Testament prophets used to remind the beaten-down Israelites of their glory days. I think Milch used this to make the point that, as a culture, we've become lost in a haze of fear, greed, regret, selfishness, etc. etc. and it's time to get right.
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when you worry more about cryptic messages than character depth.
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With the exception of the die hards there would be next to noone with the patience to sit through that thick dialouge, cryptic storyline, and lack of closure.
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Now he can do some good work again!
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Give Ed O'Neill a good job in television again. The man kicks ass.
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if you don't get the reasoning for this, well too bad. I'll pull a JFC and not explain shite with the hope that my audience has half a brain enough to put 2 and 2 together, which in this case probably means that you won't get why you might not deserve more Deadwood (from Milch anyways). Let's just say you doesn't owe you guys squat.
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Prehaps the low viewership of this show was a result of people getting pissed off at you cancelling thier favorite shows only after a season or two or with out really resloving anything like in the case of Deadwood.
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The reasoning is a drunk HBO exec who axed all their best shows let Milch go down this path of self indulgence.
Deadwood cost too much in the minds of people like Chris Albrecht...What they didn't consider was the longevity these shows could have...
After watching The Sopranos, Rome 1 and Deadwood, I really thought HBO we're going to change the entertainment game. TV seemed to be becoming superior to film....Film gave us 300, HBO gave us Rome, they out flanked the movie business on intelligent scripts and great performances...
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Does anybody notice that you can't even contact HBO abouth John of Cincinnati? Granted everyone, John of Cincy was confusing, but like others have stated, there is nothing else like it and it made it interesting enough to care what happened next. How do we contact them to complain?
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I'm sure it's cheap as hell to do, and last Sunday marked Paul Simms' return to writing for television.
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Holy Moses on a toasted bulkie roll this show is good. I love Bret and Jemaine so much, in a purely heterosexual chest thumping way. Why can't a heterosexual guy tell a heterosexual guy that he thinks his booty is fly?
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Show was great, but the average American, T.V. watching, zombified bonehead couldn't get a grip on the show. Great cast and story. Every Monday morning we'd discuss the show at work. HBO is about to force me switch to Showtime, all they have left is Big Love, and that show about people having relationship issues that's coming on soon won't be on the watch list. Sorry HBO, you've burned me again.
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wait, that's not surprising at all...
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He was co-creator with Milch on this, if you haven't already, I HIGHLY recommend you go pick up his books, there's 3 or 4 of them and they're excellent. One was even the jumping off point for that cable-classic, so-bad-it's-good movie, Point Break (I stress a jumping off point, the book really has nothing to do with the movie but you can see some beats in it that inspired the movie).
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I've been saying that for years. Why doesn't HBO, or any other channel for that matter, make self-contained, one-season series? Imagine a one-season series adaptation of "The Talisman," for example, or any number of other books. Plenty of time to give the characters some depth, tell the story without cutting out too much like if it were a 2 hr movie, etc. Seems like a no-brainer to me, they could make some remarkable, groundbreaking television.
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HBO didn't "screw" you on Rome. It was only supposed to be one season (a mini-series) at first and then overwhelming ratings made them do a second. I don't disagree that Rome could've been successful as the continuing saga of the roman emperors but that was not the plan.
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The Wire...thank God for small favors. Very possibly the best series ever to grace television, and they are giving it it's due with the final season that it so richly deserves...for that alone i'll keep my subscription to HBO...
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..in the first place. I think I read that HBO came to David Milch saying they wanted to do a surfing show. Did that mean they wanted him to drop Deadwood to do it, or was Milch intrigued by the idea and decided he couldn't work on the two shows at once? It just seems so strange to me that the show was left hanging when it was only planned to be a four-season show. Moreover, I don't get what HBO was thinking from a business perspective. Even if it was still a mess anyway, it seems to me a lot of Deadwood fans were going to watch the JFC pilot but were ready to hate it, what with it being the show that axed Deadwood. The golden age of HBO seems to have passed, but here's holding out for Alan Ball's vampires...
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Not one mention in this entire thread! I know it ain't Shakespeare or anything, but Ari, Johnny Drama, and Lloyd are more than enough to keep me watching, plus eye candy, that's always a good thing...
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No one but a few fanatics were watching JfC. No ratings, and the fact that Milch TOLD everyone he was just making it up as he went along and would not have taken you anywhere less random if he got another season. HBO saw this going nowhere but FURTHER south and killed it. Carnivale was a crime. This, not so much.
As for HBO killing stuff too earlier, they are not any more guilty of this than anyone else. In the past they have tried TOO hard to keep stuff. They kept begging for more Sopranos long after Chase was ready to finish. I was personally a fan of Six Feet Under at first, but the last couple of seasons were pretty mediocre IMO. After OZ, Sopranos, and Sex, they were pretty desperate to keep whatever they had running like zombies. Deadwood was not HBO's fault. And Milch will probably never make the movies because he is sick of it and does not want to do it. He killed it, gave HBO JfC in place of it to fulfill his obligations, and it failed.Let's also not forget that HBO did not want to let Rome (my personal favorite recently) go. The other backers left and HBO was left with a VERY expensive series with OK ratings and a storyline that required losing most of the main characters going forward. Besides all you guys used to whine about how much Showtime sucked. They are not better now, they are just better than HBO for the moment. You know Showtime. That moment will be brief. -
and yet spend so much energy telling others how much they hated it. I hate Desperate Housewives, you don't see me going on and on and on... Cancelling JfC is an utterly terrible decision, and I hope it haunts whoever's responsible for the rest of their days. Jesus Christ Jesus Christ Jesus Christ!
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"As for HBO killing stuff too earlier, they are not any more guilty of this than anyone else." That's like saying Manson is a good man, 'cos he killed less people than McVeigh... Everyone I've recommended JfC to has liked it, even if (like me) they didn't have a clue what was going on. None of 'em are 'fanatics' by any stretch. And if you look at the HBO forums, you'll see a lot of very 'normal' people a bit pissed off and confused at this decision.
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Seriously, very nearly every single character was on NYPD Blue or Deadwood, or both, at some point, and many were recycled characters. Freddie, God love em, was Charlie Utter in a tank top. Jerri was Trixie in a tank top. And Bill was Sipowicz with more hair, more crazy, but no girlfriend/wife that was out of his league...granted, Vietnam Joe was NOT Ellsworth in fatigues, John Monad was not Morgan Earp in a wetsuit, and Dr. Smith didn't resemble any of Garrett Dillahunt's characters on Deadwood. I do respect that Milch kept his fav actors working from one show to the next. Also, the above wasn't necessarily a knock on JFC, i liked the show a lot, as I did Deadwood and NYPD Blue...
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...blows.
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It could continue in a second series but the main story is pretty much closed down. Everything is there to come to a close. Do I understand it all? Nopes, does it feel like an ending? Yes. I think on multiple viewings this could be even more interesting then it is. It feels like the perfect inbetween series for Milch. Now he should return to Deadwood season 4!
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Milch was under contract for a set number of years to provide a show, which was Deadwood. Milch lost some interest after a while in Deadwood and wanted to do John from Cincinnati as well. HBO said they would not pay his price for both. So he said fine and stopped doing Deadwood in favor of John from Cincinnati, using it to fulfill the original agreement. It failed. HBO was basically left holding the bag and cut their losses when contractually possible. So am I surprise with what HBO did. No. Do I think they would be thrilled with getting more Deadwood? Absolutely.
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Goodbye HBO.
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HBO does do that. They call them 'miniseries'.
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Perhaps I did not come across properly. I do not think only fanatics liked it. Heck, I thought it was entertaining. But I think the average fan will mostly think "Eh, I liked it, but I am not surprised they killed it."What I am referring to as fanatics is the guys who are screaming for the death of HBO and canceling their subscriptions. Sure there is loud response on the boards when almost ANY show is canceled. But for every SCREAMING fan of JfC on the boards, there are a few thousand that were probably not that plussed about it.
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were the best chance hbo had to keep some of their core audience after the sopranos ended. now hbo has...." ."
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Rome aside, not for an entire season, do they (i.e. 10-20 episode arc- granted cable seasons are typically fewer episodes than their network counterparts)? What others have their been? Not disputing the fact, just can't think of any off the top of my head...?
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What classifies something as a mini series? Two movie length parts? Three? What if they were longer, something like 20 - 22 hours of TV to to tell their story? Didn't King do that with "Golden Years"?
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good question. When i think of mini-series, i think of 4-8 hr. productions, the likes of which you used to see all the time on the networks. some have been longer, too, but i don't recall ever seeing a mini-series that went for a whole season, like you said, 20-22 hrs, you tell a story and you're done, one and out. Only problem with that (maybe a prob, maybe not) is if it were wildly successful, no network would have the balls to be done with it, they'd try to catch lightning in a bottle twice and bring it back for a 2nd go-round...
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HBO better keep it, or I won't be keeping HBO.
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I've already been seeing it happen.
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HBO has to be given at least partial credit for inventing the "adult" series, and although their choices of what to renew and what to keep have been spotty, they still took chances when others merely went along with the status quo.
However, since HBO's beginning, other cable networks, FX, Spike, USA, TNT, and even Lifetime just to name a few, have taken dramatic leaps that were once reserved exclusively for HBO and have, at times, surpassed it.
In the beginning was "Fraggle Rock", "Dream On" and "Tracy Takes On", and "Hitchiker", all relatively benign for today's standards but something that had never been seen before since the network was under no advertiser gun. Then along came "Oz", "The Wire", and of course, the penultimate "Sopranos" which I had seen before and liked better when it was called "Goodfellas", but I digress.
The point is, HBO isn't taking the kind of chances it did 15 years ago. If it did, "Saving Grace" and "The Closer" would be HBO hits.
"John from Cincinnati" was a throwback to that kind of programming and I applaud HBO for airing it. Did I understand what it was about? Did I know where it was going? Not a clue, however, after seeing the final episode I am guessing that John is "...on a mission from God.." and not an alien, although since it appears there won't be a second season, who can know for sure? Even David Milch has said he had little idea where the series was going.
"Deadwood" ended too soon, surely, and "Oz" didn't have the kind of send off it deserved. "From the Earth to the Moon" was just outstanding as was "Band of Brothers" "Six Feet Under",and the "Larry Sanders Show".
Hopefully with the announcement of "True Blood", from a series of outstanding southern vampire novels by Charlaine Harris, "Lazarus, NM, and "The Pacific", HBO will redeem itself. Let's hope that at least it will let the series in question will have the opportunity to find an audience before they pull the plug. -
Band of Brothers comes to mind- no- not 20 hours. but long enough. The pseudo sequel to that is in production- and the John Adams miniseries with paul Giamatti is on the way. Ummm- other ones they had- Elizabeth I, Tourgasm, Family Bonds, Angels in America, The Corner, and Empire Falls...
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as great as FLOTC is- I wouldn't want to see it renewed- I have the live album- and I've seen the 1/2 hour special- and they've exhuasted ALL of that material. The 12 episode season should stand on its own... I've always read taht the show really exhausted the crap out of them- that if you look you can see the bags and lines under their eyes getting bigger each episode as the weather changes and schedules in NY kicked their asses (weather has been nuts here- flash floods- tornado in Brooklyn!)- so I'm not even sure they'd WANT to do another. I for one wouldn't want to see something that funny stretched too thin. Last episode had only one song- anyone notice?
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From Earth to the Moon was another.
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http://www.digg.com/television/Save_John_From_Cincinnati
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Anyone see him?
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JFC was somewhat intriguing, but this is one that I don't blame HBO for canceling. I blame them for green lighting it in the first place. How could they have expected anything different? No one in their right mind would have expected this to be a Sopranos-like breakout hit. Someone needs to hypnotize the HBO execs into completely forgetting about the freakin Sopranos already. They need to pick a strategy and stick with it. I'll be switching over to Showtime once Big Love finishes the season. It's long overdue.
Lucky Louie was much funnier than Conchords and I suspect much cheaper as well. If they canceled that after one season, then I don't see how Conchords will last. The songs are sometimes fun but the rest is just your typical juvenile British humor (yes, I know they're from NZ). Repeating the same misunderstanding over and over again is not funny, nor is it art. It's the European equivalent of fart jokes. If Conchords were nothing but a musical, I'd like it a lot more.
I agree that Mad Men has no direction. I think that it'll be the first of the new shows that I stop watching. It has style and potential. Now if they only had some decent writers, it'd have a shot. But man, did it get boring real quick!
The Tudors is good, depending on what you're looking for. I'm a little biased in favor of period pieces (Rome, Carnivale, Deadwood, etc), but there is an interesting story there as well. Lot's of hot women disrobing as well. Still, it is a bit hard to relate to the characters, they might as well be from Mars. Pampered royalty debating the legal ins and outs of religion would get nothing more than a gob of spit in the eye from me in real life, so I'm not sure why I find it interesting on screen. It's just beautiful to watch I suppose. I don't expect it to last, it must be nearly as expensive as Rome.
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VERY GOOD post. You did forget to mention Tales From the Crypt. Which I believe HBO could bring back and totally work. The formula was SO good. Only a half hour. Usually had one or two A or B Celebrities per episode. Great Directors. Good Stories. And the perfect mix of horror and comedy.
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I liked the show, but I'm certainly not surprised there won't be a Season 2.
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mother fuckers best renew it. that's all i'm saying.
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er....talkback that is......
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...and threaten to cancel HBO. For one thing there is the little matter of the final season of The Wire, quite possibly the best TV I have ever seen. And I won't shed any tears for John From Cincinnati, which was an interesting little curiosity but never managed to involve you in the emotional lives of its characters in the way the best drama should. I also won't go wild for Showtime's slate of product, which range from good but still loaded down with predictable, by the numbers plotting (Dexter, which ended its first season with a yawn that was only partly blunted by the great performances the show boasts)to "They tried to make a David Lynch series but they had never understood one" sometimes diverting silliness (Meadowlands) to fairly enjoyable fluff (Weeds) to horrible Skinamax productions masquerading as cutting edge (Tudors and, from what we've seen so far, Sex in Duchovny). All that said, the prognosis for HBO isn't all that great. I mean can HBO really be planning to do A Song of Ice and Fire when Rome was too expensive an undertaking? Do they really expect a sexy vampire vehicle to become a new standard bearer for the network? Maybe Lazurus. The future just doesn't look that solid.
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I think they could write Ed O'Neil a part if they made more Deadwood. If most of the JFC cast were on DW anyway why not utilize them & finish DW right? I mean as long as you can get DW's most important characters back anyway. DW was the single best show HBO ever did. The Sopranos sucked out loud in comparison. Who the fuck wanted to listen to Tony Soprano breathe thru his fucking nose every 5 minutes?!?! SUCKED OUT LOUD.
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Its the best show on tv right now. Shit, its one of the BEST SHOWS I'VE EVER WATCHED! Certainly the best thing on HBO. RENEW!!! May it never ever end...
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I liked the show, it was as baffling as it was challenging and engaging. I really hope that Milch explains what he had in mind for the rest of the series now.
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*Sigh* Mother Of God Cas , No Fight between Swergen, Wu and Hired Guns agiasnt Hearst in the streets of Dead and no explanation did Claire bring bad Father Demon back from the dead and No more blow offs at the Peepshow.
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Other then the Songs and Videos that correspond to it its the same fraking Joke over and over and over . Loved The Bowie Dream Episode. Bret Im Bowie from 1984's Movie Labryinth.
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because i eat too loud? haha FOTC is one of the better comedy shows on all of TV since STELLA was cancelled. I dont understand people who cant appreciate the brand of humor that will do anything to make you, the viewer, laugh; whether it be silly or nonsensical at the least. BOOM and then we gunna BOOM!
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They give the show the axe immediatly. Their current shows are starting to look pretty weak once they get past The Wire. Big Love's been good this season, but at its best I'd put like 8 other HBO dramas before it. The Alan Ball vampire show doesn't sound very good. I'm only interested in the relationship (I forget the name) show because it's supposed to have lots of nudity and features Ally Walker and Penny from Lost. Are there any I'm missing(other than the comedies)?
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They've shot a 2 hour direct to DVD movie: http://tinyurl.com/22pmt6
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i loved this damn show....never had a tv viewing experience like it before, and sadly, most likely never will again....
and to all the haters with nothing better to do than watch a show that they supposedly care nothing about, get bent.....to "get" this show you have to realise there was nothing to be "gotten"....it was akin to a Dali....do you look at "the persistence of time" and say "i wish this guy had put an explanation on this somewhere"..... why does everything have to be spelled out all the time??? try using that lump of matter inside your skull and find meaning in your own way... it can actually be very rewarding....
its all there for you, even you who need it explained.....it was all there....as people above me have pointed out, pay hard attention to john and linc's conversation, and to the car dealer's interactions... if you need it written in crayon, or stick figures perhaps then you probably should have left it alone in the first place....... -
Where is he?
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PREACHER, bitches! let's get it going!
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It proves polygamy can work, and work well.
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Conchords has yet to emit more than a brief chuckle from me. They just act ridiculously stupid and we're suppose to laugh at that. Every conversation with their manager revolves around some idiotic misunderstanding that no one in real life would be stupid enough to make. Most plots involve taking a banal situation and doing a simple role reversal. The songs are amusing and surreal and that's all the show has going for it. A lot of people seem to like it here so good for them. But to say it's the funniest thing you've ever seen on TV is to say that you've never seen South Park (in it's prime that is) or the Simpsons (in its prime as well). Or Larry Sanders or Dream On for that matter, since we're talking HBO. I could probably rattle off a dozen more better comedies. Lucky Louie was by no means classy, nor was it quality comedy, but you could count on each episode for a few hard laughs. And that's what I look for in a comedy.
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"So they use sea horses?"-Jermaine Now that made me laugh out loud.
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when they learned Milch himself has no fucking idea what JFC is about, they figured why are we dumping money into this?
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So I am glad to see it fail. But I am sorry for all of you who got caught up in it - seriously, I am.
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Or is it obvious they thought they were coming back?
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Those were great series with expanded running hours! And pretty much self contained. We need more of those. Somebody contact Tommy Hanks...
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I'm not trying to slam JFC here, but where is painting today, as an art form, compared to the past. As it got more surreal and less about trying to say something, it died out. I really see most modern art as a venue for pseudo-intellectuals to pretend like they have something special inside that lets them see that which we peasants do not. But it's not real, it's subjective perception. I don't need a catalyst for subjective perception, I can just stare at a wall and think about stuff and it doesn't cost me $12/month.
I know Milch hates the confines of a narrative structure, but that's what TV and movies are all about. Telling a story. I suspect this show wasn't renewed because of Milchs' comments about not knowing where this is going. I like my shows to take risks, but that kind of risk is unacceptable when you have that much money on the line. These aren't landed aristocrats buying a painting to hang in their home, HBO is a corporation that has a legal obligation to plan responsibly for the shareholders (not that they are by canceling everything they own). And even though I'd like to see a second season, I wouldn't risk the money if I were them. They don't even seem to have the creators enthusiastic endorsement, which can sometimes be trusted in a talented show runner.
Also, I love how people here think that they know what's going on in this show when Milch say's he's not even sure. I didn't care much about the answers on this show, but if some of you are so sure you have them, then why don't you share instead of keeping it to yourself and implying that others need crayons to figure it out. I can pretty much guarantee that you don't know either. Most of the "theories" I've heard on these talkbacks are ridiculous, but I'd be willing to hear some new ones.
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no fucking way it didn't. there were some neat scenes and great dialogue but nothing gets answered in the way of who john is, or why the guy can levitate... nothing. i'd been very patient with the show before that, but i couldn't help but yell "what the fuck was that?" after the hour ended.
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No closure, but it did kind of up things to the next level as you might expect a season finale to do (but not a series finale). Everyone seems to be on the John wagon now.
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HBO really shouldnt have waited this long to make a decision.
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...it was about Milch's male menopause. Better than buying a sports car.
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...might not be aware it was about that. But it was.
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i'm just trying to draw a parallel between the surrealists in painting and what i believe to be an explicitly surreal show that was consciously (i can only assume) written in a surreal manner.....granted most viewers aren't the pretencions millionaires that gobble up shitty (or sometimes magnificent) pieces of art just for (empty) conversation pieces, be it surreal or otherwise, but why can't we the viewers be that nerdy (or cool) kid that is really interested in something different that makes us think.....and doesn't have the attention span to just stare at a wall......i for one have a mind that goes a million miles a second (call it ADHD if ya wanna be a prick about it)and its rare to find a show that comes close to slowing it down, or in the case of JfromC catches up to it.....I'm not calling the people who dont get it dumb (mebbe i alluded to it but its just the aggravation, really) it just pisses me off that no one can seem to take things to mind anymore.....i think thats what part of this show was about, in taking the unknown for what it is no matter how weird, absurd, or frightening (or, ok, dumb) it may be to the observer.....use your friends who did or did not like the show, if they watched it and bounce some ideas off each other instead of just saying "it sucked", "i dont get it" or the like......
i think milch wrote a show that was bigger even than him in that he tried to put ideas out there that A) are not popular, B) are not proven, and C) that he knew he couldn't wrap up neatly for what seems like 85-90% of the general public....i have an open mind, maybe too open, but this show resonated inside me and i need no explanation for that....... -
God sent his son, Jesus, 2000 years ago. Now we're moving (or already into) the age of Aquarius, 2000 years later, and Jesus is sending his "son". (Shaun? JFC? Butchie? Who knows) JFC needs a way to reach people that works "today", since riding donkeys into Jerusalem has already been done.
So the whole point was to get these people together to form a marketing team, a modern version of the disciples, to spread the word. I'm sure all the quirky things like 9-11-14-10-OFF and the magic bird and floating Mitch and Sissy wanking Butchie would all have been explained somehow, I'm sure, maybe.
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It was a different show and it's good to bring new into the world. I should know better given how much I bitch at all the doctor, lawyer and cop shows out there.
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Honestly I think I could have gone either way with this one.
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Bad news That John is dead but good to know The Reapers are back in limited fashion
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Hebrews 9:11-14
The Blood of Christ
11 When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here,he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption. 13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death,so that we may serve the living God!
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In a TV slate full of shows that beat their relative formulas to death and take no risks, offer no surprises, and retread the same tired cliches...JFC shines bright because it's different. A lot of the time it almost has a "Lebowski" feel to it for me -- ie just seeing these characters interact in a room together is enough, and you don't need whizz-bang to keep you interested. I will mourn the loss of JFC big time. Anyone know where I can get a T-shirt that says "I don't know Butchie instead" on it? And another one that says "HBO raped my adulthood"?
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John himself or Johns actions woke alot of people up on the show. It wasnt direct it wasnt even understandable in some areas even if you watch it a dozen times. Some of the character arcs were intresting. Bottom Line we live in a TV Universe were theres dozens of shows that are direct copies of other shows and there is hardly anything new under the sun. David Milch and Company brought JFC together and it was different it was quirky and I enjoyed it. Comparing what show is better or what network is better is besides the point. More of us Geeks trying to compaare our Pop Culture Knowledge Penis Size then anything else. HBO in the past 10 years has brought some of the Best Television ever produced and for every family that has some superstars your going to have out right no-stars and the Unique ones we never got the chance to know better ie: Carnivale and JFC.
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Hell, all American TV should. BBC has had several, successful and entertaining series that only last a season or two and that's it (Life on Mars and The Office spring to mind). I think we'd all like a good series with a beginning, middle, and end, rather than one that goes on and on (The Sopranos) or ones that end abruptly never to be heard from again (Carnivale, Deadwood, etc.). That being said, MILCH, GET BACK TO DEADWOOD YOU COCKSUCKER!
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...then HBO is off my cable program and back on the shitlist!! I can just DL Entourage and not give them my money, but I choose to pay them for Entourage and FOTC...If one goes, I go!
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Ive heard this December can anybody confirm.
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Am I freaking you out?" Priceless.
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Then I in good conscious, can deep-six HBO and get caught up on a serious backlog of unwatched porn.
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I've tivoed every episode but haven't started watching them yet. If the season finale leaves things unresolved I won't bother but if it ties up neatly I might just give it a stab. I'm starting to think I'll cancel HBO once The Wire is finished. I love Entourage too but I can always find other ways of watching that.
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I'm cancelling so I can watch Dexter next month. I'll probably just catch the last season of The Wire on DVD.
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Was Ed O'Neill! He was great on that show!!! He should get nominated for some kind of award, if Hollywood does that sort of thing.
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Aug 14, 2007 8:44:41 PM CDT
I'm one of those assholes that didn't give this a try..
by billyeveryteen
Now I morn it's loss.Ed O'Neill confronting his dead wife's bed was heartbreaking.
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i liked it, but have no idea what the fuck was going on 80% of the time. it had some interesting characters, but its no Deadwood, Milch can do better, hopefully.
Kai: He doesn’t even know what boning means. Maybe I’d have wound up showing him, except my pussy overheated like it was cooking on a George Forman grill. My tits too, like they were in a blast furnace. -
BITCHES!
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this show just recently started here in canada (i think they're up to episode 3 or 4 now), i feel bad for whoever is enjoying it. lol
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...best time of day to go f**k yourself!
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...you were watching the wrong show. this show was a glorious set that had a slightly sketchy break that kept you on your toes. you just have to ride it out and enjoy the hell out of it. i did. i wish i could count on waking up the next bright & burly to the same ones that had me grinning ear-to-ear when i went to bed, but it wasn't to be. it'll be a ride i'll be geeked to tell people about for years, and that's pretty fucking rare. for those of you who didn't build your own framework to find the "answers" in JfC, here's mine: John from Cincinnatti is modern spirituality in America. mitch the boomer who sought enlightenment and wound up not being able to cope with reality. he passed his inability to deal to his son, butchie. butchie hates the new age detachment which feels like abandonment and is doubled by mitch's frequent physical absence. butchie turned to drugs & nihilism, and he wound up getting co-opted and used up by uber-capitalist sharks (late 70's and reagan 80's hello). shaunie doesn't even get to feel abandoned because he has no other frame of reference, as he is abandoned at birth and dumped on his grandmother who is resentful of everyone but him. sound familiar to any of you young guys out there? grandma is too busy trying to raise her grandson, keep her junkie son alive, not kill her indifferent dick of a husband, and earn a living for all of them to give a shit about her spiritual growth. ok, now go back and watch the series, watch these people who so desperately need hope, redemption, and comfort get confronted with the possibility of attaining it. watch their confusion, disbelief, rejection, and wonder, frequently all at the same time. that's a good jumping-off point for enjoying JfC, and it mushrooms from there. yes, surreal or miraculous things occur, but i think it also has some of the most real human moments i've seen on tv. i think a lot of people get bogged down in the language. if so, you're listening too hard. let the words wash over you like a great song (like joe strummer's "johnny appleseed". you'll get the point, even if it's not the point the writers had in their minds as they wrote, and that's a good thing. great cast, great writing, great show. if you watched all 10 episodes and still want to know where the show was going, you were watching the wrong show.
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what channel are you watching it on? I'm canadian, and i watched the finale on sunday on movie central.
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"and of course, the penultimate "Sopranos" which I had seen before and liked better when it was called "Goodfellas", but I digress. "
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first off thank you... you made calm, poignant, relative points to matters i brought forward...a respectable tb'er you is...i made a point to bring up said doctor, lawyer, and i'll add government shows as you said.....if people want closure, go watch CSI : WHATEVERTHEFUCK..... i want to watch my last acid trip from when i was 18......on tv..... and i am surprised milch is the first to do it on cable.... now a lot of assholes are gonna bring up WEEDS, which by the way i adore..... a sitcom w/o being a sitcom.... but i want some AKIRA, NEON GENESIS EVANGELION,REQUIEM FOR A DREAM, LOST HIGHWAY shit for my mind.... or an amalgam of them all, which, obviously, i see JfromC to beeee...
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Suck on that Republicans...
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SOMEBODY had to say it! :P
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Aug 14, 2007 11:52:20 PM CDT
More "Real Sex", less existential mobster western crap!
by mrmysteryguest
No, really, I mean it!
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Aug 15, 2007 12:00:02 AM CDT
Also, less Clooney-produced-married-man-roman garbage!
by mrmysteryguest
More canned laughs and tits, dammit! :P
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Aug 15, 2007 12:08:30 AM CDT
And, no more unfunny-lucky weird-ass carnival bullshit!
by mrmysteryguest
Young Comedians Specials, bitch! Half-Hour Comedy! Not Necessarily The News! Bring back the '80's, a-holes!
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Great review of this amazing show. It was like watching a great art film from the golden age, only funny as hell.
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I'm lookin' at you, Arliss, you unfunny mother-f%@#*r!
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if Jericho can be raised from the dead by peanuts, let's send in letters with just the monad symbol inside on a piece of black paper, drawn in white....
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Life doesn't suck nearly as much as he thinks it does. It's gonna be OK. Try not to let the crazy bearded man shape your life. I've drank with Ellis. He's a mean, bitter man who hates you. He's smart and a good writer, but I'm not sure he should be anyones North Pole.
And that was a great review, Ashhole. Kudos man. You really summed the whole thing up, and I tip my hat to you sir. Keep on keepin' on.
"Meet the Fuckin Jetsons"
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3id44a9b9dc70d804346cc50b1a5f7d013
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I've talked to at least a dozen people who watch the show and they're all really shocked and agitated with HBO for cancelling John.
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HBO just shot themselves in the foot with this last charade. If a show like this that's relatively cheap gets cancelled this quickly, do you really think any of these big budget Fantasy/ Sci Fi shows everyone talks about being in the works really have a shot in hell of A. Even getting greenlit or B. Getting more than one unsatisfying season???
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This was starting to become my favorite show on TV. I'm actually begining to get pissed off. FUCK! I could use a half pint & a blunt right now.
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My reaction to this news was "Oh well". whereas my reaction to the cancellation of Deadwood was "FUCK". Maybe will shock Milch out of freebasing drainer and get on to something new.
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Stop the bullshit. I've been hearing this "I'm dropping HBO now" line for 20 years. It's always the same. You guys are so full of shit. You're not dropping anything.
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Hype sells more than Show, so when the Hype dies down, they cancel the Show so they can sell more Hype with a new Show.
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Seriously, has the world gone fucking retarded? He's obviously not an alien, it mapped itself out as a religious show and it was painfully obvious that he was Jesus reincarnated, or, like someone said above, Jesus' son. All the characters arcs are finished and redeemed(to the point of showing almost all the characters at the beginning and narrating through what becomes of all of them at the end). I missed the doctor, as he was my favorite character, but even he got a line of closure. God and religion is weak nowadays, more and more people have doubts about their beliefs, are athiests, or just plain don't care. And it's not like I can blame them, I'm one of them. I'm definately in the camp of "seeing is believing" and if the crap in the Bible is true then I've often wondered why God or whoever can't just send another Messiah to reaffirm a faith lost after so many generations. This show was designed with similar thoughts, as the characters were clearly destined to become the new age version of the apostles. Closure? Damn people, it was full of it. What, you wanted a scientific explanation of the bird or the levitating? It's a miracle. An act of God. Have some fucking faith.
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I kept thinking that I recognized John (title character) from Deadwood. He played Morgan Earp.
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If I could have written the subject line in tiny letters I would have done so.
I watched the season finale again last night to see if there was something I/we missed. There it was right there on the 32" LCD. Big as the word itself. And it was throughout the show.
Start at the end with Linc's speach. The phrasing is mostly like John. it's in almost riddle form, but he's not as good at it. He tells the story of how he met the Yosts, signed Butchie, watched him crash and burn, etc. If you can understand that, then go back to the beginning.
Linc and John sit down and Linc tries to understand. This is to help us understand. those of you that thought John would start speaking coherently were way off. But Linc got some of it. What he got was the end is near. Not the end of the world, though. In his words he basically said if John said the end was near and Linc was in close proximity to John, the end could be Linc. End to what is an entirely different question.
Linc had to get into the game, but Mitch Yost had to get back into the game. We get images through words of how and why the family is disfunctional throughout the show. Some of that seems tohave been caused by the Buthchie crash and burn. Tina's last words were in response to Sissy asking what she wanted. "I want this" was the response.
So I pose to you this. John is not Jesus. He is not announcing the 2nd coming. He is not an alien, a robot, etc. What he is is an angel or something like that who has come to help this family get back together.
Lastly (I think), go watch the scene at the car dealership. The car dealer was John advanced. Whatever that means, here's where it comes from. He knew everything John did. No one said 25 cars, but he seemed to hit the nail on the head. No one other than the car dealer in this scene said anything about the ones and zeros and a mother reliving her son. And he took John offline twice. For me that was the key scene. We may have been watching a higher power in John, whatever that means, but we were not seeing the higher power in any character. Only how he/she/it can affect our lives...even today in the land of ones and zeros.
Did this answer all the questions? No. And now we'll never know now what those answers would have been due to the bean counters and the hatred spewed by those that do not understand.
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WOW!! I saw that as I was writing my last post. Good catch. Morgan Earp.
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After 10 years of HBO, I said I was dropping it, and I did. So there. And I'm enjoying the shit out of the first season of Dexter on-demand...
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this show sucked from the very first episode. all these talkbackers want to show how intelligent and esoteric they are, but refuse to face reality that this show was shit. This was a terrible show from day one. Face it, folks, this was a story, and stories are supposed to have a beginning, middle and end. This show had none. Good riddance. HBO, keep Flight of the Conchords, as it is truly brilliant, and Entourage continues to be great, but they'll need to get on the mike real quick if they expect to keep eyeballs on the screen.
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No wonder it got cancelled, didn't know what the hell those people were talking about half the time.
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The question now is what lame-ass piece of crap HBO is going to foist on us next.... You know, there really was a time when HBO series were really good...believe it or not.
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No more JFC and I'm sure there will never be any Deadwood follow up either. HBO = Cocksuckers to the extrema
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JFC was just like any other drama...it was about people. The context of their drama wasn't a hospital or a police procedural or the old west, but it was a spiritual journey. Yes, a lot was unexplained in terms of the how/what/why of John's existence, who he was, what he wanted. But he's just a means to an end. The show is about the Yosts and their fringe of friends and hangers-on. The spiritual journey and the presence of John provides a jumping off point for that.
For those who said "nothing happened"...look how far they've gone in 10 eps. The show started with a fractured family, a drug-addled son, an evil corporate shark, a missing mother...and by the final episode everyone is healed, everyone has come together.
There was a lot in the finale that was setting up seasons to come, a time line of a final apocalypse to avoid 9/11/14, as well as the Yosts beginning the journey to heal the world together. I'm sure in time we would have learned more about John and his mission. But to call it unsatisfying is completely missing the drama, dialogue, and journey that everyone undertook for 10 episodes.
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If you don't get it or enjoy it, please be sure to cuss it and the people that put it out so companies like HBO who will at least give "alternative TV" and writer/producers a chance will no longer give it/them a chance so other people that do get it and enjoy it will no longer have the oportunity to even find out if they enjoy it.
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Instead of finishing Deadwood, Milch is developing a show about a Vietnam vet who joins the NYPD in the seventies.
I think Deadwood doesn't have a chance now; too bad.
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Because I'm bailing after Entourage's last 3 eps. Gonna get me a Netflix subscription and raid the HBO back catalog. Never saw The Wire, Six Feet, Oz, Band of Brothers, etc. That should keep me busy until HBO finds a new series worth watching. Everything they have in the near future looks atrocious. Lord how I hope Ice & Fire actually becomes a reality; the books are fucking superb.
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Could be a little Star Chamber, could be a little Punisher. I'm far from sold, yet still intrigued by the premise.
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thanks to drbad and wiggsdannyboy for appreciating my take on the show. i'm glad to know there are others who didn't think the show was just gibberish and pretension. speaking of those who "get it", rbrog77, you hit on exactly what shocked me the most from the finale - the car salesman. i mentioned it in the tb for the finale, but the next day we got the sad news that started this tb, so i never got any response. the car salesman knew john, knew linc & turdboy, and knew all about what they were going to do. him taking john "offline" literally made my jaw drop. wtf was that??? did we meet john's father, or was he just a more mature emissary of john's father? did he take john offline from cass's camera/dwayne's site to keep himself hidden from the others, or simply tell him to shut up in johnspeak?
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The show was amazing and at the same time the most frustrating slow moving piece of shit. I watched from the beginning, recording each episode on my dvr soaking in every detail looking for answers. I was disappointed with the finale, not much of a payoff and it felt very forced. I was looking forward to the 2nd season and I will miss these flawed but very interesting characters. outside of Big love HBO is done unless you want to watch wedding crashers and the devil wears prada 52 times each. Oh and you always have 12 yearold reruns of real sex. I don't know buchie instead!!!
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Why would Milch desert the great "Deadwood" for this dreck? It made no sense! It was idiotic and except for the various Deadwood alums who kept popping up, the cast was terrible. Just as you sow you shall reap, David -- you deprived me of Sol Star and Al Swearengen and your crappy show failed.
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Without Sopranos or Deadwood, HBO has become unwatchable.
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"The cast was terrible" - what?? Who was terrible? Apart from maybe the kid who played Shaunie (who was told to play it like that, I've read elsewhere), and maybe the girl who played Kai ('cos she's not a 'traditional' actress), who was "terrible"?
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Thaks for hangin' in there w/me, brotha. In regards to the salesman, if we say John was similar to a guardian angel for the family (hence my conclusion he's there to get Mitch back in this Family "game" but Linc into the family game), the salesman would be something like an arch angel. We don't know if his abilities were greater than John or not, but his communication skills were.
I'm not a biblical scholar or student, but I seem to remember from sunday school angel hierachy. Gabrielle, for example, is never referred to as just an angel. He's an arch angel. However, the shepards (I think) were visited by an angel...or was it plural?
If my theory is correct, I still don't have a clue as to what the "minor characters" role is...was. If I had to guess Bill would be where they seek wisdom, doctor and lawyer would be just that, innkeeper(s) would provide the sanctuary to get the family out of the spotlight, the hairlip would be technology...a new biblical role needed in this day and time, and the Hawaiians would be muscle/guards.
But that's only a guess. You got anything better I'd love to hear it.
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Do you really expect them to leave a show on if not enough people are watching it. At least they have the willingness to try new and different shows. But that doesn't mean it's a non-profit company. This show probably just didn't really have much of an audience. Why bother whining about it?
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"Do you really expect them to leave a show on if not enough people are watching it" - depends. In this case, I'd say 'yes'; the show (clearly) has some rabid fans, and it's worth a shot using some of that interest and goodwill to turn other people on to it. I'd 'converted' a few people, but I can't convince any more people to watch it if they know there's no point now.
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Aug 16, 2007 8:53:41 AM CDT
Without the "ones" and "zeros" big and large won't mean
by crichtonastronut
...dick.
It's all about the numbers unfortunately. I was a big fan of the show and was hoping for more answers like what part the Yost's would play in John's father's "big and large" and what the deal was with the room/bar and the gay guy. There definitely seemed to be more the tell there. Too bad Cass's camera's or
Milch's is no longer on HBOs wave length. More of a shame that more people didn't get it to or stick with it. I for one loved this season and I think season would have been even better. And more accessible if they'd gotten more into the specifics about the characters lives. -
is ridiculous. Everyone always acts like "oh they cancelled this show- now they have nothing left and I'm cancelling." Nothing left? Imagine? Curb Season 6. The Wire Season 5. Bill Maher. True Blood. John Adams. The Extras 1 Hour Special. Preacher. Big Love. The Pacific - 10 hour miniseries by the same makers of Band of Brothers. Generation Kill - 7 part miniseries on the Iraq War by David Simon- creator of The Wire. A Song of Ice and Fire. Compare all this with a bunch of other shows to Showtime's 3 good shows- Dexter, Brotherhood, and Bullshit! (which has run its course). Weeds is such overhyped cutesy bullshit. Tudors sucks compared to HBO's period pieces. Plus- even if Deadwood never comes back- Milch will. The three Davids alone (Simon, Milch, Larry (used to have Chase too) sink Showtime. Fuck Showtime.
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Yep. Hire Ray Winstone and Ian McShane to reprise their roles and it's sort of like The Sopranos in Great Britain for HBO. Heck, even have Ben Kingsley come back as (perhaps) Don Logan's twin brother or something. It'd make a great series.
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can't catch a break. He was associated with two cancelled shows this year. "Raines" and now JFC. Still love his turn as a racist Puerto Rican cop in Q&A. Even though the string of racial slurs were a little hard to stomach an over the top Nick Nolte made it worthwhile.
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As I mourn the cancellation of JFC, (and I sincerely thank all the TBers who helped me understand it better)I think Luis Guzman's character was one of my favorites. The compassionate, steady, helpful kinda guy....with his rake and his BBQ....loved him! Oh, and Matt Winston as Barry the fruitcake.....he was riotous! I know all of the actors will move on to other jobs; but, I'm already missing their characters. And as much as I'm sick to fucking death of cop shows, I'll be ready and waiting for David Milch's next show....just for the characters....and to see which actors he brings back!
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Oddly enough this is the only forum, website, place I have heard anybody say anything even remotely good about the show. I'll admit, I stopped watching after episode four, but I tried my hardest to get into it. I just didn't like what I saw, it was just so ... lame. Maybe it's just me, but I've certainly heard from a lot of people that agree with me. Until I came to this talkback I hadn't heard one good word about John.
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Hence your opinion means squat. And if this show had no fans, what's the deal with all the anger and disappointment on these boards? Infact everyone I've talked to (who has HBO) is annoyed at HBO for cancelling this show... Pretty impressive for a show no one watches.
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I for one am going to miss John and the other whack-job characters from this very unique series. I really looked forward to every episode and am curious to see what Milch produces next--more Deadwood would be ideal.
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"I wrote ("Deadwood's") Al Swearingen for Ed (O'neil)...If he'd had that part the show would still be running."
So is he blaming the ending of the show on Ian McShane??? Interesting...
I'm a much bigger fan of JFC anyways so it's not like I really give two hoots about Deadwood ending, but it is perplexing news to say the least.
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I got a mind to think that you're more full o' shit than the livery. You think HBO underestimated this show's fanbase because of the dozen cocksuckers that you talked to? Well, I am overfuckingwhelmed. With a consensus like that, how could anyone think fucking different.Seeing as how no one could really value your opinion any more than that hooplehead fucking Defunct Gamer, I'd say the smell of the shit you keep shovelin', which has managed to infiltrate my fucking nostrils, also carries a distint odor of cat piss. Need I say fucking more.
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Man you really got into character huh, with all the "cocksuckers" and "overfuckingwhelmeds" you put in your reply. Good luck getting the part for the made for tv movie, I'll be pullin for ya!
And I'm sorry you didn't find Milchs quote as baffling/interesting as I did, or maybe your just pissed "the creator" Milch thinks your character is what went wrong with the show. Just letting ya know, I think Milch is off his rocker for making that comment as well, Ian McShane was in my opinion, the best part about Deadwood. Also considering the "dozen cocksuckers" that I talked to about this show are the only "dozen cocksuckers" who I know that have HBO, I'd say twelve-for-twelve is a pretty damn good percentile wouldn't you? Not saying this particular poll exhibited the normal opinion regarding JFC, hell maybe we're the only ones who watch it, but it certainly seemed worth bringing up.
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I've never heard Milch say, with regards to my portrayal, anything of the like. But baffling as it may fucking be, you provide me with a direct source of this quote and I'll review it during my convalescence. Upon its absorption and consideration, I'll compose my reply and deliver it to Merrick so that he can print it as fucking witness.
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here ya go:
http://weblogs.variety.com/on_the_air/2007/08/john-from-cin-2.html#comment-79438739 -
http://weblogs.variety.com/on_the_air/2007/08/john-from-cin-2.html#comment-79438739
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for some reason you have to type the address in yourself for it to work, copy and pasting messes with the link , dunno why.
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You come into my joint with a link that doesn't work? Get the FUCK OUTTA HERE!!!
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I told you to type the link in the address field manually (aka no copy and pasting). The reason, as I've just figured out myself, is that there are some spaces throughout the above webaddresses that make them unreadable.
So either type it in yourself or copy and paste and then take out the space within the link.
Aside from that I'm done trying to convince you buddy.
See you on the flip side!
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What the hell is wrong with him? I mean, it's obvious he was bored with Deadwood by the third season, but to follow it up with the crapfest that was JfC and now this terribly original "cop show set in the '70s?" What an ass. As one of my friends so wisely put it, these writer/producers (Carter, Whedon, Rob Thomas) hit the jackpot artistically with one great show, then decide that they have to spread their "genius" around ASAP, to the detriment (or demise) of their original success, and nothing they produce afterward is nearly as good. Feh.
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So passes John From Cincinnatti and so passes this talkback. We hardly knew ye! /cry
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Who the hell cares about shrieking, drug-addled surfers? I left California to avoid these retards. I sure as hell don't want to waste my time watching a show dedicated to these idiots.
NEWS FLASH: The show sucked.
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I was getting into JFC even if everything wasn't clear. Ed O'Neil was outstanding and the dialog had some great lines. Like many I was gutted when Deadwood was canceled, but my understanding of that was due to it's prohibitively high budget demands rather than any decisions by Milch. although it would be great to see some closure for that show, given the amount of time that has passed I'd be very surprised if they are able to get the majority of the cast back to film the much talked about movies realistically.
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Carnivale
Deadwood
Rome
Lucky Louie
John From Cincinnati
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Showtime is now eating HBO's lunch. Showtime has Weeds, Brotherhood, Penn and Teller, This American Life, Sleeper Cell and Dexter. HBO has... FotC (and no one watches that). fucking hoopleheads
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