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Didn't Attend THE DARK KNIGHT panel at Wizard World? Here's a report on what we all missed!
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Hey folks, Harry here - which is 85mph somewhere between Hickory & Morganton, North Carolina heading into DELIVERANCE country... so this could be nigh the last thing I ever post before doing the piggy scream... but enough of Yoko and mine's private bedroom habits. -- As I'm on this trip - there's plenty I miss... all the current DVDs, HD-DVDs and TV events. Then I speed across this map missing the key geek events like San Diego and Wizard World in Chicago.... why... last night in Baltimore - as I was enjoying the hell out of the John Waters fest - I learned about a Horror Convention in town and was invited by The Great And Powerful Wizard of Oz to attend... Alas - I stayed true to the Roadshow and had a blast! Meanwhile - like many of you, I hate missing not being everywhere at everything... so let's give it up to The Goddamned Batman for reporting on this... sounds awesome!
Hey, I've just come from Wizard World Chicago, one of the biggest comic cons in America, something I try and go to every year, but this year was by far the best con experience I've ever had.
Yesterday at a DC comics panel, Editor Dan Didio stepped aside at the end for a special presentation, and Bob Wayne ( I know he has something to do with sales, I don't remember his official title) got up to address some rumors. There was a secret panel the next day, and for the first people to attend the con and get wrist bands, there would be something about a movie, "They may or may not be working on, and they may or may not be filming currently in the city." This went up to crazy cheers.
I got back to the con this morning at 7:00 AM which is two hours before they let weekend pass owners enter, without a weekend pass you don't get in until ten. Longest two hours of my life, and when they let us in, we all lined up inside the main show room. It took us another hour before we were given wrist bands, and a batman t-shirt, with the date of the con, and the bat symbol on the front, with THE DARK KNIGHT IN THEATERS JULY 2008.
At about 3:00 pm, I got BACK in line and waited until six. We had been warned the day before when the panel was announced, that there would be no cameras, cell phones, ipods, or anything else that could be used as a recording device.
Paul Levitz president and publisher of DC comics took the stage to thunderous applause, and introduced David Goyer, Jona Nolan, Gary Oldman, Aaron Eckhart, and Christian Bale, and then Chris Nolan himself! Oldman through Nolan all got standing ovations.
They did Q&A for about 45 mins, which was incredible, but having just left, I haven't let my mind sort it all out yet. Then, they showed the footage. Chris Nolan seemed really nervous about showing footage. He said it was rough and incomplete and uthat he had a hard time showing anyone unfinished product.
Honest to God, I don't know what he was worried about. Any apprehension I had about the Joker's apperance disappeared. He doesn't look like the classic Joker in any way shape or form, and from what I can tell he has visable makeup lines, so I am guessing whatever causes his "Transformation" in this one will be nothing like any other telling of the joker.
It was short, and didn't give away to much, so I'll try and just bring up the highlights.
-- The Joker looks terrifying. There is footage of him in interrogation with a voice over from Gordon, they can't find whatever it is they are looking for on him, "All he had in his pockets was lint, and a knife."
--There are explosions, shots of the batmobile, and what looks like a tube holding the bat costume rising from the floor.
-- There is a shot of the Joker walking down and apparently enflamed city street, laughing and firing what looked like a tommy gun, but really could have been another automatic rifle.
-- Bruce Wayne meets Harvey Dent for the first time,
Dent: "The famous Bruce Wayne, Rachel has told me all about you!"
Wayne: "I hope not."
A lot of quick cuts, the batmobile exploding through a wall of flame, the joker holding Maggie Gyllenhal at knife point, and Batman kicking through the door in the interrogation room from the beginning of the clip, he lifts the Joker over his head and slams him on the table... HARD.
AND THEN...
A coin flips onto a counter next to a glass on a bar, the bartender starts to pour the shot before looking up, his response, "Jesus, Harvey, I thought you were dead!"
A hand picks up the shot, and it is slammed off screen before Aaron Eckhart's voice answers, "Half."
That was it, the crowd went nuts, before con volunteers started running up and down the isles of the pannel with blacklights, and the shirts had in I guess blacklight reactive ink HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA printed all over them. I was in one line or another for about 11 hours today, and it was completely worth it. The trailer and footage were incredibly badass, and I am now looking forward to this movie even more than I was.
Anyway, no pictures or recording devices were allowed in the panel, but I do have some cool pictures of the free shirt below.
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Anyway, if you use this, call me, THE GODDAMMED BATMAN
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Respect is due for your firstness.
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come on, one of you sneaky bastards must of smuggled the footage onto something!
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Beautiful country... I'd probably risk the piggies just for a few days in those mountains...
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Nerds of the world unite.
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too long to wait!!
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English - can you speak it?!?!?!?
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i would give my middle nut to have been there
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I knew Ledger would be a completely different Joker.Batman Begins is a totally different Batman.Why stick to the basics when you can re-invent them.
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Are you serious? Harvey Dent is Two Face. Now I'm gonna look real stupid for pointing this out, oh, I can see it now...
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Those shirts are pretty cool. Marketing students, take note.
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Well done, YackBacker.
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Iron man who!
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Iron man who!
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You really think that gave anything away? Did anyone really think Dent wouldn't become Two Face at the end of the movie?
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Welcome to NC... (Batman will OWN 2008)
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and technically its bats Fault, i would appreciated if rachel were to die still being played by HOLMES!!!
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cant find it anywhere...nobody taped this?
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Aug 11, 2007 9:48:44 PM CDT
Funk he doesnt become two-fce and the end wake the hell
by merryhulkster
UP! its just late in the movie al Venom Spider-man 3 then two-face tries to kill Joker!! because joker- Two- Faced him!!
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My source tells me Joker turns into sand and flies away after the big final battle.
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Hey, I am the one who sent this one in, and no you're not going to find a cam, because they were shaking people down at the door for as much as a cellphone or an ipod.
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cant breathe...must see....now
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I thought Jake Gylennhal was in this, and was going to play Harvey Dent?!?!I was hoping for a love story between the villians, that is something no-one really tries in comic movies, villians in love, that would be original.
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it's quite obvious that THE GODDAMMED BATMAN is Doctor Who
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They warned us about it in advance, and they honest to god had big intimidating guys in suits with earpieces like the f'ing secret service.
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because he posts spoilers so that means he loves the cock. hah. Enjoy being gay, you gay spoiler, you.
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Yeah, in my hotel I did lack a blacklight, but luckily, being the big geekity geek I am, did have a sonic screwdriver.
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The footage sounds great, and that shirt looks awesome. Of course it's already on eBay and too expensive... http://tinyurl.com/2duckp Bet the final price ends up huge.
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thats when two-face really goes peshit and becomes bats Enemy!!
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...when i read Harvey saying "half" i fucking ejaculated all over the place, which was surprising, because i was in the midst of cleaning up my previous ejaculation from picturing the joker laughing and shooting while walking down a burning street. FUCK. ING. SWEE-EEEEEEET.
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They *WEREN'T* shaking people down at all. They had some tools in suits who THOUGHT they were intimidating walking up and down the aisles looking for phones and cameras and confiscating them if they saw one. DC had spent the better part of two days telling us we couldn't bring any kind of electronic device into the screening and I think that made most people think they were going to be frisked at the door so while it's possible someone taped this, I doubt it. It was also pretty dark and I doubt it would show up too well on video. This is the second time they've done this at the Chicago Comicon (screw Wizard!) so when part 3 starts filming, if they're in Chicago at the time the convention is happening, you can probably bet they'll do it again.
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Yeah, okay, they weren't frisking anyone, but I still doubt anyone got any footage. Also, authority figures make me nervous, like when a cop is driving behind you, and you suddenly feel guilty. Like, "Oh, shit I am going to get pulled over!" even if you haven't done anything wrong. They kept mean mugging and I was like, "Oh, man, they're going to plant a cellphone on me, and take me out back!"
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this was my first ever con and I only went for the day - Of course I found out about the wristbands too late, and there was no way to get them. But my stepson and I accidentally opened another door to the large room where they holding the panel, since we were looking for an adjacent room. And no one stopped us. Maybe they would have eventually noticed us sitting down without armbands, but we totally could have gotten in. But I didn't want to be a dick to the people who had waited in line all that time. But when I found out that the actors were there and everything, I kinda wished I did. I really want to see that damn footage. Oh well, I got to meet Richard Hatch and see his lame Battlestar sequel trailer from 9 years ago. He's a pretty nice guy, though.
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If you were there, how f'ing cool was that? And, do you remember anything I forgot?
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Hey...you missed a spot.
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I mean, telling us they were shaking people down at the door, being called on it, and immediately recanting...shame shame. I noticed you used the phrase "honest to god" in another post...when people use that sort of expression, they usually are not being completely honest.
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I'm not liking the changes in the batsuit etc. in this movie. The look was much better in Begins. I'm still sure that the movie itself is going to be great, just stop tinkering with batmans style every damn movie.
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What the fuck is that Peter North shit, Huckleberry Jackass? At least say something about that Peter dude, haven't you learned anything from DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY? Sheesh.
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The only worry that I have about the new Batman is I hope its not overcrowded, like Spiderman 3. It was just too much going on and nothing was able to get developed. I think this material is in way better hands but from everything that I've read so far it seems that it might be too cluttered. Can't wait though
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But does the suit have nipples?
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I really like it this time, it looks the most practical out of all the costumes I've seen thus yet. I'd still like to see a two tone (grey and black) costume in the future. I don't see why they always have to be just black. And I am on the fence on the batpod, or the batcycle, or whatever it's being called now.
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I'm not watching this unless the suit has nipples.
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IWANTTHATFOOTAGENOW! Fuck next year can't get here soon enough...
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Aug 11, 2007 11:25:10 PM CDT
Last time Nolan did three villians and made it awesome.
by tile_mcgillus
This time he has 2 of the best. My faith is in Nolan still. Please dont let us down like Raimi did (actually the studio mostly) with Spiderman 3! Too excited for words...
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Hey listen. I'm not a political correctness freak, but I have to take offense to your lead in this story. I live near Hickory & Morganton, NC and you should know that I've never seen any hillbilly sodomists around, although we do have Starbucks in the area, as well as electricity, iPods, and, by the way, I'm typing this to you on broadband. The proliferation of cheap shots like yours, as well as reruns of the "Dukes of Hazzard" and "Hee Haw" do nothing but drag down the image of the progressive Southern U.S that I know. I realize comments like yours are just cheap shots coming from lazy minds but it does feed stereotypes. As a plus-size guy I'm guessing you're also familiar with uncomfortable comments and low-blows. BTW, forget "Deliverance". For a movie that captures the civility and charm of small-town Southern life I refer you to "Doc Hollywood". Although no one I know has ever paid their medical bills with a pig, it does get a lot right Southerners. Oh, and one more thing, we were shoes in the South nowadays, too. Dumbass.
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FOR GODS SAKE DON'T HOLD OUT ON US!
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Most practical? The most practical suit was in batman begins and the best was in batman returns. Actually the best was in batman dead end, but as far as the features go batman begins had a simple suit which resembled frank millers imagining. And the look of these movies (except for some of what I've seen in dark knight-such as that batcycle and the new suit) are openly influenced by millers stuff, year one specificaly. Look at gary oldman for example.
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Mazzucchellis stuff I should say.
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Fuck you animal structure, indutrykiller, mr jjonz, rupee88, anchorite. eat shit cunce.
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Minutes ago, the capacity crowd at Wizard World Chicago was treated to the first look at “The Dark Knight” – the much anticipated sequel to fan favorite “Batman Begins.” With actors Christian Bale, Gary Oldman and Aaron Eckhart on hand along with Nolan and screenwriters Jonah Nolan and David Goyer, DC Publisher Paul Levitz led the crowd through a spirited and secretive Q&A before getting to a sneak peek at the Dark Knight’s most recent on-screen battle with his arch nemesis, The Joker.
Fans were only allowed to see it once, and while it might be some time before the footage will be released to theaters across America, Wizard Universe was on hand to witness the action and give a full report.
The footage started with a silhouette of a dark figure in front of one of Batman’s armored vehicles before quickly cutting to Bruce Wayne and Alfred delivering the brief lines heard in the “Dark Knight” teaser trailer.
“Some people just want to watch the world burn,” advises Alfred before the camera jumps to Batman in action on the Batpod, the new iteration of his motorcycle.
The action built up as the Joker was seen in full for the first time with a mess of white face, smeared red lipstick and sweaty, straggly green hair. Apparently, the clown prince of crime gets arrested at one point in the film, as the montage presented Jim Gordon (complete in SWAT gear) at the Joker’s booking, saying, "no prints, no ID, custom clothes, no tags.” The clown smiles with what appears to be blood over his face from the inside of an interrogation room.
Checking back in with Bruce Wayne, the billionaire playboy has a brief scene with Eckhart’s Harvey Dent where he says “Rachel’s told me everything about you.”
“I truly hope not,” responds Wayne.
The footage sped up at that point into an intense montage of action, featuring the following clips:
The new batsuit rising up from a trap door in the ground and held in a chain metal case.
- Rachel Dawes (played by Maggie Gyllenhaal) close to an unidentified man either kissing him or being threatened by him as the camera rotates around them.
- The Joker and Batman battling in close quarters (possibly a hospital room). Batman throws Joker over a table and crashing into the ground while the clown smiles at him. It should be noted that the Joker was done up in his signature purple suit.
- Plenty of big, bold Batmobile action including a shot where the tank-like car drives through a wall of flame. In fact, flames were pretty much everywhere in the footage as it appears Joker does actually make the world burn.
- There is also a shot of a somewhat grim-faced Joker walking across a city street mercilessly firing a machine gun as well as a television close-up of the Joker laughing hysterically.
- Two major additions to the speculation that Two Face will appear in the film came in the form of a single shot of a spinning 50 cent piece and the final image: after the action montage has slowed down, the camera cuts to a bartender looking at Harvey Dent, whose only onscreen presence is his left shoulder and a bit of a reddish-purple scarred neck. “Dent! I thought you were dead!” the man gasps, to which Harvey replies, “Half.”
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I've always had problems believing a ninja would be as effective under like 40 pounds of polyurithane. I think the new suit looks armored, but has a lot more freedom of movement, with his new cowl, he'll honestly be able to turn his head all willy-nilly! I think the costume, while iconing as all get out, is one of the weaker aspects of the original Tim Burton movie, and instead of reinventing the wheel, like I think they should be doing, they keep reinventing a square wheel. It's a new costume every movie, but it's always a big black rubber costume.
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...to decide whether or not to read this.
Hopefully we can get away with the added heat from both Joker and Two-Face. Nolan did it with Falcone, Scarecrow, and Ra's Al Ghul, so I don't foresee failure.
But still... it's JOKER and TWO-FACE. These guys are iconic Batman villains. First Tier. Scarecrow and Ra's are Second, with Falcone in the Third Tier.
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The movie was shot in Georgia. That's like me saying Austin is "Brokeback Mountain" country.
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Batman has no superpowers, so wheoever portrays him must be a top notch fighter and believable as such. The smirking wuss Christian Bale would get his ass kicked in any real street fight -- batsuit or no batsuit. That's why his Batman is so unrealistic. I can't believe him as a fighter since he has no fight skills whatsoever. "Protection for them!" was the most laughable line I've ever seen uttered in a movie.
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It's a Tragic story. In fact Batman is turning into the anti-superhero more and more. Pre-Crisis IMACs or whatever they were called. Cadmas Arc on JLU. Bats is no Superhero. It's amazing, but Batman Begins is exactly what Daredevil tried to do but failed so horribly at. I love the fact that Batman can be knocked out for three days than busts into a party with 2 girls on his elbows "undercover" within a few hours. A Superhero no, but a challenge to what human potential has to offer -- YES!! Just no Batskates.
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...or something. Yeah sure.
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awful. A bunch of self-serving questions from a load of jagoffs. (Someone had the balls to ask Chris Nolan which casting agency he uses.) They should have skipped it and went right to the footage: Hella awesome.
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Brandon Roath isn't a believable Superman because he cannot actually shoot LASERS out of his EYES.
Hugh Jackman isn't a believable Wolverine because he can't actually regenerate and slice people with claws.
Tobey McGuire isn't a believable Spider-man because he can't shoot webs out of his wrists.
CHRISTIAN BALE is an ACTOR.
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You may notice - that I'm headed to Clayton, Georgia - which was the shooting location for DELIVERANCE. Which has the aforementioned "Scream like a Pig" scene - WHICH - I said was part of Yoko and Mine's BEDROOM HABITS... with me screaming like a Pig.
SO - you know - chill... wasn't talking about you - it was a joke, at my own expense, in regards to the movie, that I'm in the area to see. Thus far, the freakiest looking fucker I've seen in this area so far, has been me. AND yet, that's who I made fun of.
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Is he still pimping the HD-DVD hoping that the tidal wave that is Blu-Ray will not come up and wipe out all that is HD-DVD? Come on, the war is over.
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Why are people freaking out over this? "Joker is completely different"? Since when is changing an iconic character from a comic book a good thing? I want a psychotic clown with a wicked awesome grin, not Heath Ledger with green hair and some silly scar make-up.I have yet to be blown away by anything I've seen or heard regarding this movie.
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according to chud, footage exists, and can be found online of the panel. I guess I am not clever enough to find it. Anybody found this?
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here's his report. I hope the footage is available to the public soon. But we'll probably have to wait until December. I have no doubts about Ledger's Joker anymore. It's cool that he gets Bats so pissed off! http://www.batman-on-film.com/TDK_WW-Chicago_panel-report_7-11-07.html
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You're correct - DELIVERANCE was not shot in Hickory, NC... but then, I didn't say it was. I said, I was traveling at 85 mph - between Hickory and Morganton, NC heading into DELIVERANCE territory.
Now - DELIVERANCE territory is 166 miles from there - 2 hours at the speed we were traveling. And in my book - when you're about 2 hours away from a location - it's ok to say "I'm heading into..."
As for your BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN / Austin - metaphor... well - Most of the locations in Brokeback were shot in Alberta, Canada - approximately 2076 miles from Austin, which at 85 mph would be approximately 24 hours and 42 minutes - not counting bathroom breaks or sleep breaks... but if you were driving through Austin in your pursuit of a gay cowboy in Alberta... I presume it'd be ok to say - "I'm between Austin and San Antonio heading into BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN territory" - since you're not saying you're there, merely heading there. BUT you'd be stretching the metaphor a helluvalot more than me. -
A little town called Valdese, North Carolina. While not quite Deliverance-town, there really isnt anything to do there, and it is populated by a lot of hicks. I hope you managed to stop at the winery there though, it might be the worst wine in all of NC!
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anyone who was bestowed to watch the first BATMAN BEGINS movie will be aware of its inaccuracies to the comic book. i'm sure none of you know that batman was acually created by a man named frank miller who is a comic book maker. in the actual comics, there is also a character entitled, ROBIN whom of which exists not even a single mention in the film. i personally feel comic books are a medium unto their own in which film has no intrinsic value and seeing as though BATMAN is a silly rip of off the classical film noir movies of the 70's and 80's such as WHITE HEAT and DOUBLE INDEMNITY (which i'm sure you have never heard of because you are a bunch of uneducated swiners), it is an absurd concept unto itself and therefore will intrinsically fail in its intrinsic nature. what do your guys's thikn?
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The Superman and Spider-man characters have superpowers, so even if wimp actors like Routh and McGuire play those roles, it's still believable cinematically due to the superpowers inherent to each character. On the other hand, Batman HAS NO SUPERPOWERS WHATSOEVER, which means Bruce Wayne must be a great fighter (not a UFC clown, but a smart guy who looks the part of Bruce Wayne and has the fight skills to make himself believable as Batman). Face it, BALE IS A FUCKING WIMP. Anyone who believes Bale could take on 5 thugs at once and win is a FUCKING RETARD. I could suspend disbelief if the Batman character had superpowers, but Batman is just a regular human. Therefore, a natural wuss like Christian Bale, who has approximately the same level of fighting ability as Michael J. Fox, was an incredibly poor choice.
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Looks good anyway....
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it makes quite of the feeling of being sick to think that most of you don't even realize that this entire post is a hoax. everyone knows that CHRISTOPHER NOLAN is an aging baseball pitcher who hasn't pitched a baseball or even been a baseball pitcher in nearly 10 years. no one seriously believes that he is to be on the verge of making a film at an old age. i mean...come on, wake up and smell the fried eggs, people!
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it makes quite of the feeling of being sick to think that most of you don't even realize that this entire post is a hoax. everyone knows that CHRISTOPHER NOLAN is an aging baseball pitcher who hasn't pitched a baseball or even been a baseball pitcher in nearly 10 years. no one seriously believes that he is to be on the verge of making a film at an old age. i mean...come on, wake up and smell the fried eggs, people!
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I think you are an intrinsic funny dickhead. I love double indemnity, one part is unintentionally funny that was converted into a van damme parody scene. But I prefer the Begins Batman to the comic batman anyway. Wait a minute double indemnity was an old Wilder film, not 70's and 80's. It's not an absurd concept, batman begins made me realize what a great concept batman is, just brilliant.
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you seen bale fight? you're a fucking idiot. it's called acting dickhead.
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LEXINGTON STEELE STARSCREAM
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I think you are a goddamn moron.
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I just had a feeling of Deja Vu... without Denzel Washington.
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how old are you? are you in an age of which in you are even supposed to be liking comic books...i mean, come on, they're for childsplay. film is a medium in which is sincere...film scholars around the world agree that films are a stage for filmmakers to be letting out of their emotion on. transforming comic books to the film screen is an terrible misconception to the badness and perserversion of film in itself. film is serious...comic books are for 6 months year olds. get a grip and respect the medium of film.
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Me and my wife have been looking for our phones since we got back from the convention. We left them and any other electronics considered contraband in our room. We just found them in a backpack, that we brought to the panel, inside we found two cellphones and an mp3 player, all considered contraband. We didn't record anything, I just find that kind of amusing, that we inadvertantly broke the hell out of that rule.
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My message still stands. And I don't believe more of a response is needed.
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That is hysterical. You can now go through the rest of your life and say that you sneaked spy material right under Batman's nose.
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and here you go again. once again your superiority conflex spurs to make you cause to be bitter to me because i'm an adult who is being schooled by the most highly respected film scholars. don't be jealous because i know how to interpret films and have heard of older films that werent made behind the year...oh, i don't know...2007! i mean come on...before you start to defend films such as the BATMANs, you have to first understand the place from which film started itself and what in which it intends to do. clearly you don't understand that. clearly most people on this message bored don't understand that which is a pity because only individuals such whom are of like myself are able to truly enjoy films.
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come on you guys, he's clearly right. Let's stop acting like six months year olds.
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Aug 12, 2007 1:41:16 AM CDT
Ya know what would really be awesome?
by for the love of claire bennets regenerat
If the other side of Harvey was Billy Dee William's mug.
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just because you are of the incapable of making coherent or original thoughts doesn't mean you should knock people for very minor grammatical mistakes. clearly you're jealous of me and i feel really badly for you and all individuals of whom are of semblance like you
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MY superiority complex? Holy shit, man, you are SCREWED UP:
"clearly you don't understand that. clearly most people on this message bored don't understand that which is a pity because only individuals such whom are of like myself are able to truly enjoy films."
I believe you just said that you considered yourself better than everyone in this talkback. Who has the superiority complex NOW?
filmgenius, I said it before, and I will say it again. You are a goddamn moron. You can't type. You can't say anything remotely understandable. I cannot call you a film aficionado with a straight face. "stupidest movie ever in history"?
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FUCK NORTH.
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I haven't laughed this hard since watching the end of Titanic.
"just because you are of the incapable of making coherent or original thoughts doesn't mean you should knock people for very minor grammatical mistakes. clearly you're jealous of me and i feel really badly for you and all individuals of whom are of semblance like you"
Yes, he quoted you. Yes, he was making fun of you. No, that was not a grammatical mistake on your part: you are just an idiot. And once again, you are displaying "my" superiority complex. -
daddy daycamp, while not of within the league of antonellonili or FILENE, was of infiniteness a better idea than batman. not only was it an better idea, it was a more smart idea. daddy daycamp taps into the difficultness with raising kids. it taps into a many great number of deals of emotionalness from the director of the film. what does batman do? runs around in a cape and a pair of undies with points on his head...nothing in depthful or or containing meaningfulness. what does batman teach he who has become to watch the movie about life? NOTHING.
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You just dug your own grave. The other Talkbackers will now devour your flesh for that statement.
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Hey, Asshat, Double Indemnity wasn't filmed in the 1970s or 80s. It's from the 1940s which is when the classic Films Noir period took place, Turkey. The classic period ended in the late 1950s. Get some perspective, Popeye.
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Bale doesn't need to be a good fighter, he needs to be a good actor, and act as if he were a good fighter.
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Did you mean antonioni, or fellini? Or are you refering to Mike Filene the porno director? Also, maybe people would get along with you better if you didn't translate all your posts into portuguese and back into english on the babel fish before you post them. Like in comprehensible english?
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Aug 12, 2007 2:02:29 AM CDT
dtpena, Bale OVERacted in Begins.
by for the love of claire bennets regenerat
His gruffed up voice for bats was waaaaay too much.
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You do not understand brilliance of the boat trip, the junior gooding of Cuba is shining, and you and its type stupid cannot appriciate brilliance of it! Also what it has filmed is being spoken currently approximately is below of me, because of as smart I am.
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I still thought it was better than George Clooney not doing anything different. At least Christian Bale TRIED to change up his voice when he was the Bat.
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OH CRAP! Totally didn't see that! But how do we know for sure that Bruce Wayne is Batman? Maybe it's just a rumor started by Harry.
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Aug 12, 2007 2:26:15 AM CDT
I'll put money on it, Catwoman will be...
by for the love of claire bennets regenerat
...Angelina Jolie. Watch, just watch.
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i find it funnt you calling bale a wimp, considering he is actually bruce waynes EXACT weight and height measurements: 6' 2" and i believe its either 165 or 170 lbs. the guy is cut, which is all he needs to be... since he's in a fucking movie, and not ACTUALLY fighting anyone. have you SEEN the making-of on how hard this dude trains to get in shape and do the physical side of his performance? i think you are quite ignorant to what goes on behind the scenes, pal. if you just dont like bale, that's one thing... but to try to make up excuses for why he doesnt satisfy in some kind of FACTUAL sense.... that just makes you seem silly.
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I'll just say that footage sounds a-fucking-mazing.
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no one is that stupid to post on aicn.
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The choice of the, so far, unimpressive Heath Ledger to play the Joker still leaves me cold. It'll take more than a brief play-by-play recounting by someone I've never met to overcome over a decade of tepid mediocrity from this actor.
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With Two-Face appearing towards the end, a, it seems like the story definitely leads into part three, but will Nolan take the reins?
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Of course I don't think we'd see that character show up anytime soon.
Two-Face should be the main heavy in the 3rd movie.
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That still leaves Cat Woman, Penquin, Mr Freeze, Bane, and The Ridler. Bale basically has work lined up for the next 12 years or so if he wants it.
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Tell us who you think would make a believable Batman, cause i really can't see anyone doing a better job than Bale. I can't understand how you think he looks like a wimp in Begins, he was large as a house and quick as hell
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or his confusing cousin Twenty Seven-Face. He throws a handfull of coins in the air then figures the ratio using his evil calculator.
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How about getting the real-deal with Jennifer Connely? Well, J.C. before she lost all the weight and her sex appeal. Christ, somebody give her a pizza. Tell her the waif look is over. Come back to us, Jennifer!
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I'm getting sick and tired of seeing all these string-beans up there on the screen. More Monica Bellucci, more Diora Baird, etc. Half the chicks we see in movies could pass for 12 year old boys. Why the hell do you think mostly every man pines for Scarlett or Salma or Monica? BECAUSE THEY LOOK LIKE A WOMEN. Take heed, studios!
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I dont think it would work to be honest. I think The Penguin could work. Only to the point of him being realistc. Not a half man half fucked up hybrid. I kind of liked the idea that some geek said somwere, that Penguin was going to be a European arms dealer or somthing like that. Even though it was full of shit I think it would fit right in to Nolans realistic take/vision. Then again I think Nolan has been quoted somewhere saying that the Penguin wouldnt fit into the realistic world he has created. But I like to think that he could if he was done right. anyway its going to be about TwoFace for the most part but I think they should ease a new villan in at some point like the Riddler or Penquin. Catwoman? seriously I cant see her fitting in Nolans universe.....no matter how fucking hot she is or could be.
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1) The Joker 2) TwoFace 3) Penguin 4) Riddler 5) Scarecrow.
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YOU'VE GOT THE JOKER!!!! Everyone loves and hates him. He is an icon which transcends any actor who plays him! Why are they dangling TWO-FACE out there like he's the icing on the cake? I love Nolan and I maybe eating these words the day after I see it, but BAD MOVE, CHRIS NOLAN!! Two-Face is a B-List villain, and Joker is the Grand Marshal of the Freak Parade.
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The central villain was Ra's Al Ghul - who is far less well known than Two Face.
Take a pill. Nolan is crafting his own world/interpretation of Batman. Yes, Joker, awesome, but don't write of an interpretation of a character you haven't even seen yet. -
Joker may be iconic yes, but Harvey Dent is more human. I think any stories involving Harvey Dent would be awesome. I love what Nolan is doing with this franchise and even tho he has killed off falconi I think we could see The long Halloween or a Robin less dark victory come out of this! And if you've read either of those volumes you will know why two face is the better villian!
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The lovely Eva IS a goddess and we love to see her as much as possible, BUT, the angel's funbags are way too big to be confined to tight, hot, nipple constricting black leather.
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Its the ridiculous suit that throws me, and the fact that every interpretation of two-face has been dull to my way of thinking. my post said that I might be eating my words the day after I see it BECAUSE I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT NOLAN IS DOING!
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There is no way in Gods green hell that Two-Face should be worthy of overshadowing Joker. The presentation of him as described in the article, being the last scene says to me, "this is what you're waiting for....two-face." Im not.
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The Joker and Two Face are very similar characters but there is a big difference between them! 1) Harvey and joker both had crap dumped on them emotionally and physically to spark their transformations. 2) Both are psychotic. 3) Both really only commit crimes to gain the attention of the Batman.
But even tho I've just made you all go wow there pretty much the same character I will now prove y Twoface is better! Harvey Dent was framed, he was Batmans friend and he can be saved! he is not the jibbering loon that the joker is and with two face theres always the glimmer of hope he might come back! He is the Vader of the DC universe. So from a strictly film making P.O.V. I can see three being the better film because if its done right the exchanges between Wayne/Dent will be dynamite!
Oh and before I forget Filmgenius, Batman was created by Bob Kane Jack ass! And Robin didnt really make an apperance till the 70's, he wasn't an original line up character. Please, I dont mind dyslexic morons flaming, but please get your facts straight first! -
I need to see this sucker now!
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220 pounds by the time filming rolled around(Batman's real weight) and was 200-210 during filming.
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I NEED this movie to rock hard next summer. I literally NEED IT! Please!!! Yo next summer can't get here fast enough. Especially after the turd that was summer 2007.
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i thought they said he showed up too big and rolled like 20-30 back off. you sure?
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Chill out. I live in NC too but I think Harry was referring to his traveling to West Virgina, where they filmed Deliverance (despite the movie taking place in GA). I could be wrong on his travels. Oh by the way, there are still some serious, ass-backwards corners of major Redneck hell in the South, it's just a little deeper in the woods now because of all the development that's happened. So don't kid yourself, we still have some clan-lovin', mullet-combing nut-suckers in the South. Those stereoptypes are not all wrong.
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As soon as you start saying "this can be film" and "this can't be film" it is you who is truly limited in perception. I dont know what shitty film school you went to, but they poisoned you. I remember watching everything from Marcel Carne and Cocteau to Groundhog Day and old black and white Mickey Mouse cartoons in my film classes. Why such a range? Because the professors understood that film can be savored, deconstructed and appreciated on countless levels and in countless forms. Any one who says "film can't (fill in the blank)" and "film should be (fill in the blank)" is a detriment to the world of cinema, and really to the world of independent thought. No limits- bottom line. Either everything has artistic potential, or some schmuck is trying to force his ideas on everyone by setting parameters of what should and should not be. To hell with that!
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No need for her character at all.
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The trailers and pre-released stuff for Batman Begins were all awesome, but I didn't like the movie. I'm assuming the same is going to happen here, but that isn't going to stop me from seeing it opening day. I've seen every live action Bat-Movie in theaters since 1989, including Batman and Robin, so why the hell shouldn't this be any different...
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THANK YOU, YES. Her character fucked up the entire movie for me.
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Good points made by people above refarding Villians, am i the only one though that feels if Banes character is done right aka Knightfall, and you had Batman with his back broken at the end of one of the films then that would be one hell of a cliffhanger for the next....Just make Bane the criminal mastermind he was, not a 70lb dweeb who inflates.
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Whoever wrote that nonsense about Bale not being in fighting shape for the movie is the driver of the clown car. And I think it's interesting thematically to have Dent as Two-Face in the film. He represents the duality of the Batman/Joker. Hell, he's the very embodiment of it.
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I loved that show. No matter what movies we may get, at least that show got Batman right.
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And for the record: Batman Mask of the Phantasm is still the best Batman movie.
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that´s for you too, Indiana Jones.
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b:tas was great but it was still for kids, batman begins was a drama, vertigo Batman. The article on chud expressed the same feelings I have, is that Batman Begins managed to capture the tone and charcater of Batman, the majority of the post 70's comics and graphic novels. Half the movie was a live action Detective Comics arc. Superman Returns I tried to see the tone of Superman and it wasn't there, Batman Begins had the tone of Batman.
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that's the only role she is suited for. And the Soundtrack will be the new Neurosis Album.
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Punctuation - can you use it?
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Sorry to break it to ya man, but Robin was not introduced in the 70s. Actually, the very first appearance of Robin was in Batman #1, which to my knowledge, was waaay before the 70s.
And as for Two-face and Joker being similar? Well, they're similar in that yeah, they're both a little nuts, but that's about it. Joker is *the* anti-thesis to everything Batman is, and there is no bringing the man behind the smile back. Two-face, on the other hand, can be and has been rehabilitated back into normal life. He's still got some humanity left in him, and while Joker is pure chaos, Two-face at least has some sort of method to his madness: duality. He's governed by the flip of a coin. /Bat-geek off
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While that may have sounded like I was a Harvey sympathizer, I too agree that Two-Face should not be given precedence over the Joker. Bat-villains may come and go but at the end of the day it always has and always will be the Joker that gets the Bat's tights in the biggest bunch.
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And I understand why Nolan's nervous. He knows he's screwed this one up and there's no going back and fixing it now.
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your goal in the Copa America semi-final was amazing. Congrats.
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Gizz? looks like every set of Motel 6 sheets this side of the Mississip.
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Gotta love that line from this review. "There are explosions." In this film. Wow. What a surprise. Well, I hope they are -- uh -- REAL COOL BIG ASS explosions. Gee. That would be new for a film of this type...
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I am wondering, if offered a range of concepts for a film version of the character Batman, is Nolan's version the one you would select? It seems like Nolan came close as their is obvious support for this show coming up and for Begins. Or is this a form of complacency on the part of all you homemade critics, who will accept anything that the studios dish out. Why does being a "dark" film appeal so much to the modern aesthete? Anyway, for me, I saw it as a somewhat dull film with clumsily edited and staged action/fight scenes and this puzzling commitment to appearing morose on all the cast's part, as if that is "dark." And why was the whole movie shot through a piss and shit lens? Is the Dark Knight going to be blue? What a concept...
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Look at the 4th season of Batman TAS. Penquin looked more human and was portrayed as a fence/maven with a natty fashion sense.
Catwoman = skilled catburgler with a knack for finding trouble, moral ambiguity and a wicked costume. Bane = pro wrestler & steroid/human growth hormone monster turned assassin. The Riddler = a crimelord with a penchent for games of cat & mouse.
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Aug 12, 2007 9:12:54 AM CDT
Is 'Half...' the last line of the movie? It should be.
by performingmonkey
I don't want to see too much of Two-Face in this one. That should be saved for the third movie - Two-Face and possibly Penguin.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
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Screw...YOU!
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Mike D
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Just got a feeling about that.
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at batman-on-film.com when you click on the Bat-Movie News link, it automatically starts. You get some of Caine talking about Mob and Joker and Ledger himself cackling away. It's pretty cool.
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My question is: Shouldn't there be two little twin versions of Harry appearing at the end of the hallway in that that animation he has up?
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They SHOULD leave "half" as the last line, a la "he leaves a calling card" in Begins.
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I have very, very few friends, and even they tire of my incessant pontifications after about 15 minutes. I took a film history class at community college, and now I feel it is my duty, nay, my privilege, to call you all swiners (i dont remember what goofy insult this tosser used, and I can't be bothered to scroll back up) and let you know that comics are a medium unto themselves! *Swoons, faints into the arms of his awaiting manservant* You are a touch hole. Batman roxxorz t3h big one. You seem to be about as much fun as a prostate exam. Please, please, go have a beer, relax, and enjoy something with other humans.
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It's just kind of short sighted to think that size is the only way to decide if someone can beat someone else. First, as people have said, Bale actually is a sort of pumped up guy. But someone being faster, being trained in how to fight, and being kinda crazy can always have a chance to beat some big guy. Whan Bats fights a bunch of people, they're usually, slow, dumb, clumsy thugs.
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Ripped apart...
I'd say TOTALLY change your writing "style" or stop posting here in the Talkbacks. No one wants to hear you blather on about how we are all inferior because we like "cool" movies. This is Ain't it COOL News, not Ain't it Film Art News.
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The Joke is on us!
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THAT was brilliant.
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If you think Rhas is a second tier villain then you don't know you're Batman. Joker might be the most recognizable but in terms of telling good stories with a lasting impact, Rhas is where it's at. Joker's just a 1 dimensional psychotic killer. Not much you can do with him really.
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That would be pretty cool.
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Someone already mentioned the fool who asked what casting agency Nolan used so he could try to be an extra on the film. Levitz took the stage and made a comment about how proud DC was of their most recent film output and listed Batman Begins, Superman Returns, History of Violence, Constantine, and V For Vendetta as their most recent films. Someone from the audience shouted out Catwoman which got a little rise out of the crowd and got Levitz to admit that the film sucked. Someone also asked if anyone on the panel would be interested in working on a World's Finest movie and they all enthusiastically said no. Bale never got a chance to answer but Goyer, Nolan, and Levitz all displayed very little interest in the idea.
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I am a child of the 90's: my Batman came in the form of The Animated Series.
But yes, I do have to agree that Ra's is one of my favorite villains, PRE-Begins. The idea of him supposedly living forever, and that he was one of the few Villains that knew Bruce Wayne, is an awesome concept. Also, there are the stories involving Talia...
Ra's does deserve 1st Tier, but those spots are taken by Joker, Riddler, Penguin, and several more. These are the ICONIC Batman villains. Ra's is often forgotten.
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Would have MERZBOW on the soundtrack. Now THATS powernoise; a seriously relentless derangement of the senses perfectly suited for the idea of sexual slavery.
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Someone mentioned someone saying this. Whoever originally said that doesn't know jack or shit about Batman and his Rogue's Gallery. Ra's is one of the top villains and always has been since his creation. He's the only one who knows Bat's true identity, and his schemes always involve him trying to kill billions of people at a time. Also, the way they pronounced his name in Batman Begins is wrong. It isn't Roz all gool. It's raish all gool. They even made a little joke about this in the Batman Beyond episode where Terry McGinnis calls him Roz instead of Raish. Talia corrects him and says it's a common mistake. It is and always has been Raish (like Raid with an "sh" on the end instead of a "d").
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always fill us in on what him and yoko are doing. just give the news.
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I am HYPED for next year's release of THE DARK KNIGHT !!!!!
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Fuck that, I'd be checking out vendors, buying toys and comics instead of standing in line for what is sure to be something that shows or gives absolutely nothing or very little complete with a bunch of celeb worship. No thanks.
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Keaton wore his pain on his face. You hardly ever saw him smile and when he wasn't talking to anyone he was in the Batcave brooding over his parents. To me, he just seemed darker and more realistic. Plus I think his voice was better suited to Batman than Bale. However, I do think both movies have their merits and do a great job but I prefer the Tim Burton movies.
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thanks man, but the one I did against getafe where I broke the laws of physics is considered by some to be the best goal ever, so i think that one is better. Tokyo Drift
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you are crazy. Bale's Bruce Wayne was perfect. It's late so I won't describe why, or what scenes, i think the look he gives to Ra's "and this time no misguided idealists will get in the way". I just though 'holy shit it's bruce wayne' that look in his eyes. theres more but i want to watch football right now.
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Certainly Clayface or Mr. Freeze wouldn't work in a Chris Nolan Batman film. But I think this current series will last for quite a while, much in the same way James Bond has over the years. It's very likely that by like the sixth or tenth Batman film, when Bale and Nolan aren't involved anymore, the series will have changed enough so that a character like Killer Croc or Mr Freeze would be used, which will be fine by me as long as they don't have Tim Story directing (he would bring in Bat-Mite). Robin will likely show up too, but I predict not until movie 5 or 6. One of the things I like about the series (since 'Begins') so far is that they are not killing off every villian. I doubt they will kill the Joker (they would be insane to). Scarecrow is back in 'Dark Knight'. Even Falconi could make a return at some point. The Batman Nolanverse won't be short on "realistic" villians throughout its three or four film series.
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Nice to see there is overlap between Doctor Who fans and Batman fans.
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Camera tricks can usually make non-fighters look like fighters. But even camera tricks COULD NOT make Christian Bale look like a skilled fighter in BB. Remember, the prison fight scene in Tibet? Was that some fucking joke or what? I repeat, "Protection for them!" was the most laughable line I've ever heard in a movie. The guy displays no fight skills yet takes on 6 thugs at once and win. Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? Would you also believe Michael J. Fox could take on 6 thugs at once and win? You have to be FUCKING RETARDED to believe Bale in the part. While a good actor, he is simply not believable in the role of Batman. I also don't think his wearing a constant smirk/smart-ass grin on his face makes for the best Bruce Wayne either. Not to mention he's undersized for the part at 5'11" tops. Remember how Alfred and Lucious Fox towered over him? Bale was a fucking dwarf compared to Alfred!
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The problem I have with the Joker is that he often loses his appeal, I mean the guy is a sick fuck thats for sure, but he has little else going for him.
Two Face as I have already said is a better character, he has more depth, like catwoman. Personally I would love to see Nolan turn Batman 3 into the long halloween, I would die an insanely happy man if that was the case, but probably it will end up some tweeniecentric holywood raped money maker, not an exceptionally written detective story. If that is the case then it was fun while it lasted
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And anyone who watched the BAFTAs know that to be true.
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And Talia Al Ghul should be portrayed by Ms. Monica Bellucci. The character of Rachel Dawes should have never been created and Talia should have been the love interest in *Begins*.
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Here's one thing I do know...you can't spell. It might help next time you're in a vitriolic fit.
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but she's too old to be Talia now. Aishwarya Rai, ftw
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I was there. And Harvey Dent's reaction to the question "I thought you were dead" was "Only Half".
It made it more comical than anything.
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Also, during the footage it looked as if the batmoble had it's back end exploded while in the air. It could have been just a really large boost, but they followed it up with scenes of Batman riding his new Motorcycle.
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i do not recall a time when a film was so anticipated, probably Phantom Menace. let's hope this one pans out a bit better.
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I read the Chud article as well, and while I see what he means, I disagree for the following reasons: 1. Mood and cast is a lot, but it isn't everything. A bad third act can ruin an otherwise good movie. Both X-Men and Batman Begins have excellent casts, and really wonderfully strong openings, but the third act crumbles. 2. Everything in Batman MOTP worked with very few issues- voice acting, animation, plot, direction- everything was great. No overt problems, wheras BB has some major issues. 3. Personally- and keep in mind this all has to do with prefrence- Batman only ever works for me two ways. First, as something anachronistic- something that takes place in either some kind of weird retro styled world (like BTAS), or as a complete lunatic (like in Dark Knight Returns). The whole premise of Batman doesn't make sense any other way, and trying to do him "serious" and "realistic" doesn't make a damn lick of sense. 4. Another personal gripe: The female interest was an irritant, and was completely un needed. Every fucking Bat-movie in existence has a love angle, and while it works out just fine in Phantasm, it sputters and chokes Begins. Remove the romance angle, and change her character to Harvey Dent, and it would have improved the movie by 80%, and made a wonderful set up for Two Face (my favorite bat-villain, by the way), creating a strong emotional resonance when they fight.
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- though there was little action in Mask of the Phantasm, and even less of it was spectacular, you could at least tell what the bleeding hell was going on. "Shaky cam" literally translates into "shitty choreography"- I get that it's supposed to draw you in closer to the action and "make you feel like you're there," it only works out that way in rare situations. Batman is about action- let's actually SEE a fight scene. Again, a personal qualm.
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i would say you're exhibiting repressed feelings with your alarming analysis of christian bale's physicality if you weren't clouding the issue with your equally alarming fixation on michael j. fox's physicality. being fixated on christian bale is kind of an accepted pasttime for us women, but i'm wondering if you might want to reassess.
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'they' (meaning the guys in the room) always junk stuff up with the romance angle because they're trying to pull in a female demographic. but you know - i think the latest bourne is showing that dragging things down with 'romance' is not necessary anymore. there's approximately 15 seconds of 'did they used to do it?' in that movie and then on with the show, and i don't think any less women are flocking to see it because of that. we want to see a smart action film as much as the next guy.
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Where are the creepy little girls, though?!
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Its my first post but what are the chances that Rachel Dawes will be driven into insanity by Joker and become his Harley Quinn?
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That'd actually be pretty sweet. I hate the Rachel Dawes character, it'd be nice if lots of bad stuff would happen to her, then she'd go crazy and jump around in a skimpy outfit before falling off a cliff or being put into an institution or something.
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that in all the filmgenius hate, no one called him out for saying Frank Miller created Batman...
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I don't think he meant he waited 11 hours in line for this panel alone, but in total for the day. Either way it's still pretty sad but if you want something signed by one of the more popular writers or artists, you have to get there early and camp out. The lines get capped pretty quickly.
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her complete lack of acting talent. she is awful.
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why wasn't I there?! That sounds incredibly freaking awesome.
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Jolene wears a mask in a scene in "Slow Burn" and I thought she'd make a great Catwoman. Angelina Jolie is the dream choice but she's already playing the Catwoman-like Fox in "Wanted," I doubt Ms. Jolie would play essentially the same character twice. Jolene Blalock looks like Angelina, according to imdb, they were born four months apart in 1975. They had the same makeup artist for "A Mighty Heart" and "Slow Burn." Megan Fox is heart-stopping but she's too young; Selina Kyle is not Barbara Gordon, she is Batman's equal and is not intimidated by him, I like the fact she gets under his skin in the comics. If WB goes young, Selina would be just another sidekick and not the clever experienced thief- CatWOMAN not CatGIRL. Jolene Blalock is a year younger than Bale and she could easily pull off the "slap and tickle" dialogue with Bats. The best rendition of Catwoman is Jim Lee's BATMAN HUSH, the cat goggles are cool- Jolene Blalock in that outfit...OMG!!
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It's a Batman ,movie, it ain't the cure for AIDS. People are dying in Irag, man. Get your priorities straight, lame-o.
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WHY????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm counting on you, brothers. I've been looking, but I can't find it. HELP ME.
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Oh, right. I can't. Mmmm... Demzer. Why don't you just ask us to cure cancer while you're at it? People are dying from cancer everyday. Get your priorities straight people!
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I'll stop it!
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LOL..... seriously though I know atleast one of you fuckin nerds wasn't a coward and got us some footage. LETS SEE IT!!
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sounds a little burtonesque to me or dare I say shumaccer?????
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- love interest was mandated by WB. had to have a love story.
- choreography was meant to show how Batman comes out of nowhere, is quick and brutal. I think it worked fine, the problem was cutting away to another area. Fighting ninjas it cut away to Gordon in the Tumbler. Fighting Ra's it cut to ... Gordon in the Tumbler. Rather than feeling like a continuous scene, it was like a montage. Also, the fact that there were time gaps between shots. That sped things up far more than they should have been. Batman kicks Ra's then tackles him, but he's moved five feet between shots that span a couple seconds. that was the biggest problem. it wasn't so much the cuts, but it was the second or two missing between those cuts that made them unrealistically quick. -
First of all, film genius, you're just plain ignorant. Batman was created by Mr. Bob Kane in 1939. Since you couldn't be bothered in looking THAT up, I think we should all just ignore the rest of your blathering because you obviusly have no idea what you are talking about. By the way, people who talk and think like you tend to wind up in old drafty houses, alone, doing the knuckle shuffle into/onto their numerous thesaureses.
As for DK, I'm cautious. I don't like the pics I've seen of Joker thus far. It looks like we've replaced "Wait'll they get a load of me." with "I would f*** me so hard..."
Barring that BATMAN BEGINS was the Batman movie I think many of us have been waiting for all our lives so I have the utmost confidence in all involved.
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Aug 12, 2007 6:42:15 PM CDT
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
by performingmonkey
You make me smile! All of you fuckups who diss Nolan for his action scenes in Begins. Give the guy a break, he hadn't been there before. Now he has I'm sure we will see a much-improved product in The Dark Knight. Now...WHERE WERE THE OTHER DRUGS GOING??? SWEAR TO ME!!!!!
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Aug 12, 2007 6:42:35 PM CDT
Thanks Harry and it was a pleasure meeting you too
by allpowerfulwizardofoz
I just caught this ;-).
Glad you and your lovely wife enjoyed a visit in Baltimore and you are one of the nicest guys. Truly a class act. I had made a quick post about meeting you on the John Waters when I got back from the Horror Con which was, well awesome lol.
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That was WE. Fox tells bruce around the middle of the movie: "your father made WE the unoffical center of gotham" or something like that.
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Sweet Jesus on a Popsicle stick does this sound like it's going to deliver. I was a little hesitant about Ledger as choice for the Joker but from the sounds of it he may have pulled it off. I am praying this is as good as described.
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That the Postal Premier.. I kid. really I do
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then why didn't they just film Frank Miller's BATMAN: YEAR ONE as is? It still holds up as the most realistic treatment The Dark Knight has ever had in the comics. Why let the guy who did INSOMNIA anywhere near this franchise? Didn't the whole Ang Lee/HULK debacle teach these studios anything? BATMAN BEGINS loses all the noir elements of Miller's classic, leaving us w/a plodding, lackluster film that’s a ghost of its former self. And don't even get me started w/the liberties taken; Rachel Dawes...who?...and she grows up w/Bruce in Wayne Manor? Ra's Al Ghul...masquerading as Henri Ducard?...and oh, yeah, he's not an immortal. Bruce Wayne’s training apparently consists of the martial arts only, forgetting that he’s also supposed to be a scientist and the world’s greatest detective! The reduction of or complete non-existence of characters like Commissioner Loeb, Sarah Essen & Selina Kyle, changing Flass from a former Green Beret into a rip-off of the pudgy Lt. Ekhardt from Tim Burton’s BATMAN, Lucius Fox making the antidote to the Scarecrow’s toxin, and for pointing out the need for Robin when Batman can’t be in two places @ once at the film’s end - fight Ra’s or destroy the bridge…hey, Gordon, can you not only drive a hi-tech vehicle but operate it’s weapon systems w/a 2 second tutorial? This movie was a gutted, watered-down version of Miller’s original work. It was also NOT a blockbuster hit, no matter how many times rabid fanboys try to tell you it was. It DID NOT have a first weekend gross of over $100 million like SPIDER-MAN, or SPIDER-MAN 2, etc. It barely cracked $60 that first weekend. Yes, eventually it made its money back, but it wasn't a big hit. I'm also sure after seeing other directors/studios have incredible box office success teaming up w/Frank Miller for both SIN CITY & 300, Warner’s must be quietly kicking themselves for not going w/Miller & Aranofsky on BATMAN: YEAR ONE. All that aside, I hope that THE DARK KNIGHT does for this series what THE WRATH OF KHAN did for STAR TREK. We'll see.
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I know the love interest is mandated, but that's what's really frustrating about it. It's on some damned checklist- "film must contain the following." Must be PG13, must have (female) love interest, must contain no less than 3 explosions, etc. Batman can be great at any ratings designation, and the romance angle can work. It just didn't here.
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Ire aside, you're pretty much right.
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I didn't know $371 mil was lousy...
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Rachel Dawes was not his love interest in the film. She was a symbolic representation of his rejecting of the humanity within him in favor of the beast he is trying to become. While I do agree that the portrayal of her was very weak, I thought she was a very effective storytelling device, and pretty much the only "romance" in a comic book movie that I have not had a problem with. Sure, others have done the "I can't be with you because I am noble and want to protect you and you'll get hurt and I can't pay attention to you." I absolutely LOVED seeing it from the other side, where a woman basically says "I can't be with you because you aren't even human anymore."
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it's never stated that Ra's wasn't immortal in Begins. It's not even brought up. You're right about the noir elements of Year One, but not about the box office stuff. no, it wasn't an immediate hit, but word of mouth was so strong, the movie enjoyed a long(ish) theatrical run and dvd sales were great. people weren't sure what the fuck Begins was going to be, so they didn't go see it. i read just a few months ago on some shitty website that some asshole is still calling Begins a prequel to B89, and two years ago, all folks remembered was the last batman movie they saw, and didn't want to go near the character again. but, again, the word of mouth was awesome. and another thing, i think you're completely overreacting about Loeb, Sarah Essen and those others. a movie isn't bad because it doesn't feature those characters, or handles them differently. do you honestly think sarah essen could have been shoe horned into Begins? I don't. There's plenty of time for Selina Kyle, and who gives a flying fuck about Flass? Christopher Nolan never ever said Begins was a Year One adaptation. EVER. He said many times it was influenced by Year one, along with many others. It's not supposed to be a direct translation, and never claimed to be such. Begins' only purpose was to reintroduce, and to an extent, reinvent Batman for today's audience. To wipe the slate clean of what came before, and to make a realistic Batman movie. That's it. and it fucking worked. sure, rachel dawes is a throwaway character and gordon drives the batmobile, and hey you forgot that the waynes didn't see Zorro the night they died, and you'd be right. but to pick the movie apart based on the littlest shit is kinda cunty. the movie succeeded where it needed to. you're entitled to your interpretation, i'm not trying to convince you that you should up and love the movie, because i don't give a fuck if you do or not, but some of your logic leaps were a little too big to go uncontested.
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kiss my ass. i'm from hickory. best town you jackasses will ever see.
drave117 has a good point. dawes was played ... not half bad, but her role in the movie is, as drave117 says, spot on. nolan does a good job with that. and i will be very interested in seeing what role her part is in this one. maybe bringing the beast back a bit into humanity after we see the dualism that dent provides. which side of the coin is batman on, and does dawes help him retain the humanity at all or does he go all the way down the dark alley like joker does. the first film was all about fear (a little too much about it, maybe, but done really well) and i think it would be very interesting to see the second film done as piece in duality. (by way of duelity) like shelley's frankenstein, or melville's moby dick.
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Yeah, I am definitely predicting that "duality" will replace "fear" as the theme for this next one, and that is just fine with me. We'll see how it pans out. I know I am really excited about it. Seeing Batman Begins for the first time ranks up there with my best experiences as a comic book geek. I spent all evening geeking out with the person I saw it with, and our mutual reaction was "Finally! Somebody GETS Batman!" I've seen it a ton of times since then, and my ONLY complaint with it is that I don't think Katie Holmes turns in much of a performance. The fact that Nolan replaced her ass means that he is willing to admit his mistakes and learn from them.
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Aug 12, 2007 10:23:07 PM CDT
Master Bruce, maybe we didn't see the same movie.
by allpowerfulwizardofoz
Nolan's Batman is one of the finest comic book movies to ever grace the screen. Simply put it was almost perfect. My only issue was Holmes so getting Jake's sister for the next one is just an improvement.
But really how the hell can you tear Batman Begins apart? It felt so genuine in it's delivery and made me a believer that a man could become a "Batman", or a "Scarecrow". The part of Ra was brilliant in how it was handled.
Also keep in mind this is still movie based on a comic book. I mean I've read Batman since I was a kid. I still think that "The Killing Joke" is THE best Batman comic book ever to grace paper even above anything that Frank Miller did. And that's not to say that "The Dark Night" Or "Batman Year One" weren't brilliant.
So having been a fan myself all these years I felt Nolan delivered on the promise of a true Batman movie that Burton did not. While I enjoyed watching Burton's movies I never did walk away going "Wow that was really Batman". When I saw Nolan's I had that feeling. Same as I had the feeling when I saw Ang Lee's Hulk. I guess I am in the minority with that one but oh well.
I just cannot see how you walked away from "Batman Begins" with those feelings when it really did capture the true nature of the emotion behind why he becomes "Batman" to begin with. No pun intended. -
According to CHUD there's footage on the net, anyone have a link ?
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Hey, I am probably going to be emailing Harry again later, on my way out of chicago, i accidentaly wondered into the GCPD, I have some pictures, they're pretty badass. I am not ffom chicago, or a big city, so I've never walked past the set of a movie before. But walking to union station, my wife pointed off in the distance, and holy shit, there was the gotham city police department. I'll send that in later.
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Frank Miller created Batman?? Wow, who knew?
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I can tell you right now this movie will disappoint.
1) You're anticipating it. Bad move.
2) They're going to try to be clever with the Joker and diverge from canon, perhaps badly. But I'll say this...if he's not portrayed as lovable and funny, that is one good sign. Andrew Koenig in Batman: Dead End looked utterly perfect, and sounded decent too.
Iron Man is the one that'll have the public raving, fans and non-fans alike. The Dark Knight will just be the 2nd best Batman movie.
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Iron Man has Daredevil shitness written all over it. Good casting aside, The director makes shit films. I'd be surprised to see it break the $250m worldwide.
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I hope it doesn't disapoint, a lot of people here are assuming it will be brilliant but I have my doubts..... only because of past let-downs not because I don't have faith in Nolan, I do.
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... psycho and murderous Ledger is in the role, without the bleached white skin, he's just a crazy guy wearing Stein's Clown White and lipstick, NOT the Joker! Scarecrow was just a creepy dude with a ragged piece of burlap on his head, Ra's had no Lazarus Pit, what's next? Is Two-Face going to just be an attorney who had a stroke? Penguin a fat little ornithologist? Killer Croc just some homeless guy with ecsema? Poison Ivy an FTD Florist gone bad? LAME!
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Hickory is frickin' beautiful. I live in Memphis right now, and I'm looking forward to most likely moving to Hickory, NC in the not-too-distant future. And if you're heading to Georgia, you're going the wrong way (didya take I-40 to 345?) . . .shoulda taken 345 up to Boone and Blowing Rock. Talk about God's country. It's where the beautiful scenery will make you squeal like a pig. And some mighty fine mountain honey up there. And talk about your furniture options--Hickory has more furniture stores than Harry has chins! Da-dump-dump.BTW, Georgia really isn't Deliverance country, either. Except that they made a movie that urban elitists and left-coast snobs could point to as being an exemplar of all those scary backwoods folks in flyover country.Hey, Harry: go back to Hickory to shop for your furniture. Most shops are manufacturers, they can do almost anything to the furniture you want--upholster it in special stain-resistant materials, make it extra-wide, that sort of stuff. Then come back to golf up in Boone. Or pick a direction into the smokies--every way I've been, it's been beautiful, pictaresque, and some of those college campi up in the mountains would make a great backdrop for some sort of fantastical movie. Then drive across the state to spend some quality beach time up at Hilton Head.
BTW, not worried about Harry's deliverance joke (come on, Harry's from Texas, how can he be raggin' on the more-northern south?). Can't people make bad jokes, or talk out of their ass, without being a labeled a "bigot" for something or the other? Sheesh!
BTW, Dark Knight will rock. Iron Man will rock. Zarathustra is way under-appreciated, and I say that even though Tim Robbins, Stalin-acolyte and modern-day communist, is the dad. Lots of great practical effects in that movie, and I hope that's what we see in Iron Man. Bet it will be. -
attending Dragon*Con???
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Hey nice job WB for not screening anything at the San Diego Comicon.
It's nice to know who’s pocket you're in now.
This movie is shaping up to be one giant stupid toy commercial and I’m sorry, give us the god damned Joker already, not some 50+ fat guy like in the Burton version or some pie faced dude with emo Crow makeup on.
Wake up stupid this ain’t the Joker.
I'm already sick of this move.
Hollywood, stop compromising for a change and don’t try and tell us it’s a re-imagining of the original version.
How hard is it to make a freaking comic book movie?
The first one was spiffy though.
San Dimas High School Football Rules!
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Uh oh, looks like someone didn't get their bottle this morning..or maybe feeling a bit rejected because we wanted some leakers from Comicon to post the footage online? Comicon got Iron Man, that's a decent enough payoff. Don't be such a fucking crybaby.
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Someone WAY up in the TB said that Bale didn't have much in the way of fighting style...if you think so, it's NOT his fault. Watch Equilibrium and see how fluidly he moves, whether it's at gunplay, swordplay, or just pistol-whipping 6 guys at the same time. As much as I loved BB, I didn't see any fight sequences that lived up to the ones in Equilibrium. Gunkata!
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and with a whiff of sulpher I am Moviemack crawls out of the woodwor- 2 troll draws at the same time: The Hobbit and PJ for Ringy and Batman news that doesn't tally with Moviemack's precise vision of a Dark Knight world. I love these rows.
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I meant "woodwork".
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I think "the rest of us" is already convinced. it's jus tyou that pours endless scorn on Nolan and this Batman.
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I believe it was "memory cloth".And yes, the color brown (sepia) ensures that Nolan's universe reigns supreme over Burton's goth-camp.
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their is no fucking way this guy is for real..."i'm an adult who is being educated by the world's greatest film scholars, because surely, you are unable to understand what it takes to enjoy film as a medium...blah, blah...UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE
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i'm sure this has been talked about on AICN before, however, hollywood gossip is not my long suit. does anyone know why katie holmes is not going to reprise her role as rachel dawes?
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5 simple words... Tom Cruise is a freak.
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5 simple words: Utterly talentless waste of space
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more examples: busy giving birth to thetanshe developed post natal depressionfilm far better without herI wonder how many there are.
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fuck it. Outta here
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Yea buddy, you told me off, great job, high 5!
Where the hell did the bootleg footage comment come from?
I'm going back to drink my big boy coffee.
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Aug 13, 2007 11:04:27 AM CDT
"Can someone please respond to this..." part 2
by allpowerfulwizardofoz
Pretty much yeah Tom Cruise but to elaborate on that. It was rumored Tom did not want Katie doing any movies that involved love scenes so he had her turn down that script as well as others.
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fucking hell. What a selfish nobhead. I hope she didn't sign a prenup so she can take him to the fucking cleaners when the inevitable divorce happens
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Those are great
I like you Prophet you're a good egg.
Here's one
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I clearly need more of them: busy finding loopholes in prenupcrackpot religion told her "no"Thinks Bruce Wayne is realtrying to relaunch Dawson's creekCaught her husband blowing aliensThe nutter really can fly
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It would be a pity to not like yourself. Don't be coy, own up to it. There is no shame having to regenerate like Doctor Who after an incarnation has a fatality.
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Aug 13, 2007 11:13:09 AM CDT
this guy didn't mention the scar on dent's face
by lavatory love machine
it was big
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really, dude, that is sad.
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You guys are such moronic pansies. Do you put in ear plugs and hide your head underneath your jacket in the theater when trailers play? Nothing up there is any more of a spoiler than something that would be in a trailer. Besides, its a film panel. This is a designated place for film makers to talk about their MOVIE. This means INFORMATION ABOUT THE MOVIE WILL BE GIVEN. If you didn't want the information, then you shouldn't have clicked the goddamned link.
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Last time I checked Nicholson's Joker doesnt fit into Nolan's Batman universe. He's not dissing Nicholson or his performance he's simply stating fact.
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As I had no idea what the fuck you were going on about. You are an absolute Batman trainspotter. In fact, you are the Batman equivalent of ringy.
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The point I made in my previous post is that you made up something completely false. Quote:"You know, the universe where a "realistical" costume is made out of "muscle memory fiber".The costume wasn't made out of "muscle memory fiber". However, the cape (which is distinct from the costume/armor) is made of memory cloth. NOWHERE in the movie is the phrase "muscle memory" uttered.You're hate has crowded your reason and its got you imagining things. Amazing!
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So you're some kind of martial arts expert? Cool. Let's talk. I started taking Karate when I was ten and then at age 19 jumped ship to Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. That was ten years ago. Also dabbled in Arnis and a bit of Kung Fu as well. And I think Bale did fine. Nolan's camera work left a bit to be desired, but Bale himself was ok. Sure, he isn't a "real" fighter...but neither is Jackie Chan or Donnie Yen or Sammo Hung: They are ACTORS trained in the Peking Opera tradition which includes martial arts training for PERFORMANCE PURPOSES. They are actors trained to perform martial arts in order to entertain people, JUST LIKE CHRISTIAN BALE. Sure, he trained for a few months whereas they trained for years, but it's still the same thing. On the other hand, Chuck Norris is an actual badass martial artist. He pretty mush owned competitive Karate for the better part of a decade. He probably COULD beat the shit out of five hardass motherfuckers at the same time (at least in his prime)...and guess what? His movies fucking SUCK. Know why? Because he's a "real fighter" and not an ACTOR. If I want to see real fighters I watch the UFC. When I want to be transported to another world populated by fictional characters, I watch a MOVIE starring PROFESSIONAL ACTORS. Pretty simple concept.
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is the ventriloquist/ Scarface villain in the comics? or is it only the cartoon (that admittedly I don't watch) that makes your 2-incher stand up proud?
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... Comic artist Mike Weiringo died over the weekend. For details, check this link: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=11590
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Your comment way up there about Rachel is totally on the mark. I've been saying that for a long time - she's NOT a love interest, and I'm tired of people saying that. Everything you've said is totally what I would say. I had to look twice to see if I had posted it.
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Are you sure Donnie Yen is not a "real" fighter? Because the way he rocks onscreen I'll bet he can kick ass for realz. And what's your take on Jet Li?
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but I understand he didn't even know anything about martial arts until he did The One with Jet Li. Is that true?
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Looking forward to the anal scene.
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because there was nothing else to watch at the time. I consider this the post-LOTR and post-Harry Potter era, where we know goodness does exist in cinema.
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Yeah Cruise Controls. Robo Bride obviously had no real idea what she was getting into when she signed that contrac- I mean got married.
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for millions of dollars. Beats working for a living.
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i mean, he did have butt secs with her brother
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the problem with Nicholson's joker was that it was two dimensional. seeing him manic in a picture was great, but on screen there was not a lot to do, except bad jokes, enema references and the odd, lame killing. there was no depth or interest to the character at all, not even in the way he was "transformed" into The Joker - in the 'real' world of the mafia, a loyal, psychotic hitman would be valued much higher than some babe. Nicholson, Keaton and Burton had fuck all to do with "saving" or rejuvenating Batman - WB's awesome advertising for a mediocre film did that.
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paying homage to The Shining starting on a day so significant to the world of Elvis worshipers? i think you should tell everyone what's on your mind.......
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I wonder how much Scarecrow is in the film. If he encounters the Joker, are they rivals or allies? Scarecrow was pretty crazy but I bet he finds the Joker fucking insane. I wonder if Scarecrow becomes another Joker thug or if he chooses to remain an "independent" villain in his own right. Is the Wayne Manor house re-built in this. after Ra's burned it down. Ahh can't wait.
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Its really dumb when people flip out over stuff like this and then yell "Spoilers!!!". This movie is a year away, did you think they weren't going to reveal TwoFace was in it when they did their gigantic marketing blitz? Relax, nothing is being spoiled that wouldn't have been spoiled anyway when you asked to "Biggie Size" your Diet-Coke, just so you could get your dumb little scratch off game piece and hold on to that hope that maybe there was a chance your dreams could still come true.
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cyclo I agree with you that its ideal for the actor to come across as someone believable as a world-class ass kicker. You're wrong, however, in saying Bale falls short. First of all, he is head and shoulders above his predecessors in Keaton, Kilmer, and Clooney. Kilmer had potential, but Keaton and Clooney were completely unbelievable as a world class fighter. Bale is also vastly superior to Jake Gylenhaal who was the runner-up for the part when they cast "Begins." Gyllenhaal would have been a complete disaster, so it is a bit strange how Nolan got it so right with Bale, yet was so close to a horrible mistake with the other guy. As to Bale himself, he is an athletic man, about 6'1, and was in excellent shape for Begins. He looks about as powerful as a normal (and by that I mean someone short of a WWE physique) looking human being can in that movie. Bale also has that menacing, dangerous quality about him that helps sell him as a badass. In addition, he looks like the patrician blue blood that Bruce Wayne is supposed to be. In short, Bale is perfect for the part. You can't do better than him.
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I may be going out on a limb here, but I am going to have to say that Christian Bale is one of the best actors of his generation; if not THE best.
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That Ain't Cool... >:(The man deserves a silent clock, at least.
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many many people consider him to be the best actor of his generation, many already consider him to be one of the greatest actors on the planet, some(which is a fair few) consider him and daniel day lewis the two best actors on the planet.
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His work on Robin was awesome. And so sudden to. Heart failure in case anyone doesn't know. He just made his last post on Friday of a Zelda sketch :-(.
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I was at the panel in Chicago, and it really amuses me that people are judging this before they have even seen one frame of film.
Admittedly some of the questions asked were just plain dumb. But some,like the one who asked Bale what his inspiration for his portrayal of Batman came from were thoughtful. Bale to to his credit said that truthfully he hadn't thought much of Batman thinking that the character was more attuned to Adam West and was more of a farce. But he said after reading "Batman: Year One", and then " Dark Knight Returns" and the O'Neil and Adams stories, he became excited about the possibilities of what could be done with the character.
The Nolan's and David Goyer then talked about what they were inspired by for their version of the Joker. They said right away they knew that Jack Nicholson's version of the Joker wouldn't fit the framework they had already laid out in the first film. Christopher Nolan said that they had read all the great Joker stories like "The Killing Joke","Arkham Asylum",etc.He said someone gave him copies of the first 2 Joker stories from the Golden Age, and at the end of the day Ledger had probably drawn more inspiration from those stories than anything else. Nolan said that those 2 stories captured the tone he was trying to achieve for the Joker, and THAT is the direction they decided to go in.I mean it doesn't get better than that, going back to the original source material!
Gary Oldman even went a step further and declared that the people will not believe how extraordinary Ledger's performance really is.I mean Gary Fricken Oldman is going out of his way to heap praise on a fellow colleague!!!! His comments were unsolicited. And the rest of them to a man followed suit.
I am convinced this was more than just pandering, they seemed to be genuinely offering praise to a colleague at the top of his game.
So before you haters and nay sayers throw in your flaming remarks let me state that; I saw the footage ,it was fricken amazing, people WILL be blown away, and when this movie comes out and is 2 to 3 times more popular than the 1st movie, I'll come back and throw flames right back at ya!!
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Do you like anything?
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specifically, how they will be filmed this time, and if we will actually be able to see the moves and tell what is going on? I love "Batman Begins", and I think that Nolan's rationale for the chaotic, hard-to-follow fight scenes worked for the dock scene. But when Batman fought the ninjas and Ras, it would have been nice had he gone for a different filming/editing style. This is a common gripe about BB even among its fans, so I hope Nolan changes things up a bit this time, especially if its true that the new suit allows Bale much more mobility.
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and his fucking irritating voice work on that gay ass fucking batman cartoon. Im going to fucking cry. I was reading fucking ign and apparently some fucking braindead retard thought it was a good idea to tell the panel that hamil's voice work on the joker was the be all and end all of what the joker should be. People like that who think they're speaking for all us real batman fans makes me sick. HEY FUCKOS!!! YOU STUPID HAMIL FANS NEED TO READ FUCKING BATMAN COMICS AND STOP BASING ALL YOUR BATMAN FANDOM ON THAT STUPID FUCKING CARTOON! I CAN TELL A POSEUR BATMAN FAN FROM A MILLION MILES AWAY...AS SOON AS HE FUCKING MENTIONS HAMIL AS THE BEST JOKER EVER I THEN ASK HIM WHAT HIS FAVORITE BATMAN COMIC WAS... AND HE'S STUMPED FOR WORDS CAUSE ALL HE FUCKING KNOWS IS THE STUPID CARTOON.. HELLO FUCKOS!!! BATMAN IS A FUCKING COMIC!!! NOT A CHEAP RIP OFF IMITATION CARTOON!! YOU ARE NOT A BATMAN FAN IF YOU CAN'T BACK UP YOUR FANDOM WITH ATLEAST HAVING READ A FEW OF THE COMICS... IM SURE WE ALL THINK HAMIL'S OVER THE TOP FUCKING HAMMED UP COMEDIC PSEUDO JOKER WAS THE BOMB!!! NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT...
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God I want one...
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don't you know the military has been developing smartcloth for years? it's absolutely not out of the realm of possibility.
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"You want to kill the Bat I want to kill the bat! Let's team up! QuiCK! We only have 20 minutes left!"
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you can still get some cheap on ebay: http://tinyurl.com/3eyws8
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"Oohhhhhh yeah-ah. I guess nothin' can LAST for-ev-er...those were, the best days of my life." Anyway, I'm glad 89 is back. Jones. Batman, etc. etc.
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Gunkata! Anyway, if Christian Bale was a chick, I would make out with him. I would lead with the tongue. I'm sorry, people, that's just true.
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utter shit- the whole film deserves damning just for the "hola chica" dialogue between Colin Farrell and that bird during sex. Funny story, watched that with the wife and she hated it. She commented about every 3 minutes that Colin Farrell wasn't convincing as a super smooth vice cop as he "just looks like he smells"
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There's a point where adding thingiebobs for the sake of making something look AWESOME, sadly reminds us that this is hollywood, and we should expect no better.
The bat look should be derived by being true to the spirit of the source material.
I'm tired of hollywood trying to doll up bats.
Technically bats could look like a hobo in a cape and he would still kick ass.
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I think it's the best yet. It looks like he can move in there, which has always bothered me about every other batsuit. They usually look rediculous.
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