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Ahh-Ahhhh!! Critics Say SciFi’s Queen-Free FLASH GORDON Franchise Reeks Of Uranus!!

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A SciFi Channel adventure based on the classic comic strip, “Flash Gordon” depicts an athlete who finds himself contending with otherworldly menace. When SciFi needed a showrunner for its update of “Battlestar Galactica,” it hired Ron Moore, who co-wrote “Star Trek: First Contact” and had a hand in some of the best episodes of “Star Trek: The Next Generation,” “Star Trek: Deep Space Nine” and “Carnivale.” When SciFi needed a showrunner for “Flash,” it hired Peter Hume, who has written for “Charmed,” “Relic Hunter,” and Jennifer Lopez’ “South Beach.” Did SciFi choose wisely this time around? “Flash” apparently got the greenlight over Moore’s “Galactica” prequel “Caprica,” which continues to molder on the channel’s development shelf. USA Today gives "Flash" one and a half stars (out of four) and says:
… While the latest version is less outrageously awful than the best-known, out-of-this-universe 1980 big-screen remake, it's also much less fun, as amateurish mediocrities tend to be. … Badly written, badly cast and done on the cheap in the Canadian woods, Flash is the kind of fantasy toss-off that gives sci-fi, and Sci Fi, a bad name. ...
Entertainment Weekly gives it a “C-plus” and says:
… isn't nearly as campy-fun as the hyperactive 1980 movie. While there are flashes (heh) of promise, the pilot takes forever to get going …
TV Guide says:
… B-movie cheesy — watch an alien attack a bowling alley — but also stubbornly flat, settling for cute when sublime camp would be preferred. The drabness extends to supposedly merciless dictator Ming of Mongo …
The New York Times says:
Whitey’s Lindy Hoppers have disbanded. The Works Progress Administration is defunct. The DeSoto Airflow has disappeared from auto showrooms. So why is Flash Gordon still with us? If “Flash Gordon,” the Sci Fi Channel’s new series based on Alex Raymond’s comic strip character from the 1930s, has an answer to that question, it’s not obvious from tonight’s premiere. The show, approximately the zillionth attempt to put Flash and his friends on the big or small screen, isn’t bad, particularly; it’s just not very, excuse me, flashy. …
The New York Post gives it “no stars” and says:
I wish I could have been in the pitch meeting for Sci Fi's latest reincarnation of "Flash Gordon." It must have been an out of this world experience - because there's no other way this incredibly dopey series would ever have, er, gotten off the ground. … I apologize to all the Flash Gordon fans around the world. I know I had nothing to do with this series , but it's so horrible I somehow feel responsible - just by watching it.
The Boston Herald gives it a “C-plus” and says:
… Johnson is wooden as Flash, and he and Dale have zero chemistry. Not so for Karen Cliche, best known from the last season of “Mutant X.” As alien bounty hunter Baylin, she radiates chemistry with even the props. As Ming the Merciless, Flash’s eternal nemesis, John Ralston is as terrifying as a granola bar. Sci Fi needed an actor who could project even camp menace. This guy looks as if he got lost on the way to Dunkin’ Donuts. …
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette says:
… The show's biggest drawback is the same problem faced by just about every other Sci Fi Channel series introduced in the past year: lackluster writing. Like "Dresden Files" and "Painkiller Jane" before it, "Flash Gordon" is a victim of pedestrian scripting. Worse yet, the characters are forced to spout too much exposition that betrays what should be the characters' natural reactions (rather than being amazed by the jump to Mongo, moments after arriving Dale announces they're "captives on an alien planet"). There's also a fair bit of technobabble and an alien culture that's confusing in the first episode. One of two future episodes sent for review shows more evidence of a sense of humor -- particularly when a jungle girl from Mongo takes up residence in Flash's house -- but everything else about this "Flash Gordon" remains dreadful, particularly the scenery-chewing villains. …
The Tampa Tribune says:
… Staying with this for 22 episodes will be a challenge for viewers. …
Newsday says:
… watch Sci Fi's new "Flash Gordon" series and wonder where the magic went. It's hard to see how a show could take such a perennial fave and go this completely wrong. …
The Deseret Morning News says:
… incredibly boring, unwatchable … The first time I tried to watch the 90-minute pilot of "Flash Gordon," I fell asleep. The second time, it was all I could do to keep my eyes open. And I like science fiction shows. I was sort of looking forward to this one. … Don't waste your time watching this Sci Fi Channel version of "Flash Gordon," which is just plain bad, unless you're suffering from insomnia. It might help with that.
The Hollywood Reporter says:
… It has a nice air of self-deprecation that assures us it's in on the joke, that this is less about threats to our planet than subtly cheeky good fun. Yet the 90-minute kickoff and a subsequent hour of the Sci Fi Channel series still somehow feel forced and somewhat empty, perhaps for the very reason that it wants things both ways. It's tough to get a sci-fi project to work as both effective drama and lighthearted fantasy, and "Flash" can't quite effectively bridge that gap. …
Variety says:
… a 90-minute premiere replete with playful if dimwitted banter, dimension-breaching nonsense, and a cast seemingly plucked from Revlon commercials. Nostalgia might win out, but barring a last-minute rescue, this bit of fluff will be forgotten in a you-know-what. … lacking the requisite wit, excitement or sense of adventure to survive for long in this dimension, much less the next. …
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  • Aug. 10, 2007, 1:01 a.m. CST


    by fyn


  • Aug. 10, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST

    New York Times wins!

    by RenoNevada2000

    Any critic who knows his 20th century culture to namecheck Whitey's Lindy Hoppers in the opening sentance of his review has my undying respect. I will slay your enemies for you sir!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 1:18 a.m. CST

    What the hell is up with execs at Sci-Fi?

    by nomihs

    I have seen and tried to unsee Painkiller Jane. Horrible does not even begin to describe that show. Passing on the great (at least better than the writer from PJ) talent of Moore seems like a great decision, if you don't like reeling in viewers and making a few bucks on ads/merchandise/tie-ins with little debbie. Sticking with shows like Ghost Hunters and Scare Tactics would be the way to go. The reality T.V. horse still has some life left to beat.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 1:22 a.m. CST


    by Paul T. Ryan

    I was looking forward to this, even with my reservations over their choice of showrunner. Doubt this'll last beyond a season if this is the level of quality we'll see.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Is that guy who loves EUREKA here?

    by mach5jack

    Will he think FLASH GORDON is better than BATTLESTAR GALACTICA too?

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 1:29 a.m. CST

    I knew it!!!

    by Billyeveryteen

    Once BSG is gone, there will be no reason to watch this shitty channel.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 1:32 a.m. CST

    HOLY SHIT!!!

    by PAC-MAN

    If Flash Gordon can't save me from bad T.V. then who can!!!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Picking Flash over Substance

    by Aloy


  • Aug. 10, 2007, 1:46 a.m. CST

    oh, that is sweet...

    by TELF

    I told you so. As bad as I thought it looked, the previews looked worse. I met the production team and they kept saying they were looking for an "Edgy" take on the material. My first reaction was "Yeah, right" and the second was "Why?"<P>And they already ordered 22 eps of this crap.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 2:08 a.m. CST

    All these reviews can go fuck themselves in the ass.

    by LordEnigma

    A bit much? Sure. However, it's the same crap as usual; they are trying to kill this show after ONE episode. This sort of non-sense is infuriating.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 2:15 a.m. CST

    If you actually read the reviews

    by darthuser

    you'll learn many of them actually saw several episodes.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 2:22 a.m. CST

    "they are trying to kill this show after ONE episode"

    by whoanecron

    So the critics are supposed to see the entire series before they review the pilot? Are you the world's biggest dipshit, LordEnigma?

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Is Anyone Surprised?

    by The Tenth Doctor

    Just because Ron Moore was successful with his "re-imagining" that does not make it the answer to relaunching every franchise under the sun. Seriously, it takes some real skill to screw up Flash frelling Gordon.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Is anyone really surprised?

    by ShogunMaster

    Flash Gordon will be this seasons' 'Drive': Cancelled before the Pilot hits it's second commercial break. Now if someone made a television show based on Tron...

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 2:26 a.m. CST

    I've seen the Tv spots

    by supersize

    Twas more than enough

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 3 a.m. CST

    No Brian Blessed + no Topal + no Queen =

    by Gabba-UK

    tepid arse gravy of the lowest kind. I'm not even slightly surprised.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 3:01 a.m. CST

    not really shocked

    by Volstaff

    just from the commercials this thing looks like a turd. I didn't know they passed over Caprica for this though.Wow.I might catch it just to see how crappy it really is.I mean is it Painkiller Jane bad or Manthing bad?

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Boy, we're pleased to read these reviews...

    by Charlie & Tex we figured from the day it was announced that it was going to be a piece of shit, and it looks like we were right. Looks like the series is flying blind on a rocket-cycle...

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 4:03 a.m. CST

    They should have drowned this series at birth...

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...and given Dresden Files a second season instead.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Bag O Shite!

    by Gene Hunt

    I knew this was going to suck the first time I saw a picture of Meng. Hasn't Meng always been bald with a goatee? So why cast a guy who looks nothing like that? Oh thats right its a re imagining!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 4:27 a.m. CST

    SciFi choose ... poorly

    by newc0253

    then again, i don't think anyone can be terribly surprised that a tv reboot of a venerable SF property that was itself remade as a deeply campy 80s film turns out to be a steaming pile of shit. Well, at least i wasn't.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Just stick to re-runs guys.

    by aboriginal

    Sci-Fi channel's creations suck ass w/ the exception of BSG. If they were smart (and those dumb asses that call themselves execs are no where near) we'd have a decent network alternative. Maybe Derren the Mind Freak could talk them into just walking off a bridge or something.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 5:27 a.m. CST

    How in the hell can you make Flash Gordon edgy?????

    by Big_Bubbaloola

    However good BSG, ole Ron Moore sure has a lot to answer for. Now all the execs are looking at that and want their piece of the 'edgy' pie!! Same goes for JJ Abrams.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Are Sci-Fi execs huffing glue?

    by RokurGepta

    This incarnation of Flash Gorden is pretty much guaranteed to suck. <p> Painkiller Jane has not had a single good episode, I'm actually surprised and shocked that shit is still on the air. <p> How the fucking christ in a handbasket did Who Wants to be a Superhero get a 2nd brain raping season <P> I have to say that Eureka is bad, but it does have some moments of possibility, but very few. <p> I actually really fucking liked the Dresden Files, but why did it fail, well, lets snort some coke, huff some glue and some dust off, and broadcast Dresden Files on a Sunday Night, against shows like Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, Desperate Housewives. What the fuck did they expect, the show never had a god forsaken chance... Mother fucking sci fi execs. <p> There are some shows I would actually like to see Sci-Fi make, but i'm scared at how bad the suckfest they might create... But still, I would like shows of Ghostbusters, Tron, Buckaroo Banzai, Back to the Future. I think Sci Fi should only let Ron Moore, or maybe J.J. Abrams even near their shows. <p> Fuck me in the goat ass, there is only 1 season left of Battlestar Galactica. <p> The only show left to mention is Stargate Atlatis, that show is ok..... but just ok <p> oh fucking wait, I forgot ECW, why the fuckity fuck fuck is ECW on Sci-Fi,I don't even want to talk about it. <p> FUCK

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 6:05 a.m. CST

    bonner hammer

    by palewook


  • Aug. 10, 2007, 6:06 a.m. CST

    "While the latest version is

    by GCH888

    "While the latest version is less outrageously awful than the best-known, out-of-this-universe 1980 big-screen remake, it's also much less fun, as amateurish mediocrities tend to be." I remember watching the 1980 film version in the cinema when I was a kid (obviously) and loved it even then. I always imagined they would release 3.75" figures of Flash Gordon in the same vein as Buck Rogers and CHiPs (remember them?) but they never did. A missed opportunity - a Flash Gordon figure with his Sky Chariot accessory, Klytus with dissolving body feature ... the possibilities were endless.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Charmed, Relic Hunter, South Beach, Flash Gordon...

    by Yeti

    Wow. He aimed for the middle and actually went lower. Craptastic!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 6:29 a.m. CST

    your opinion?

    by NudeandAroused

    Have you seen this episode Herc? What is your view?

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 6:38 a.m. CST

    The Hammer Strikes Again

    by Gorrister

    I'll give the pilot a chance, but I wasn't even expecting much from it BEFORE I read the reviews. Although I normally don't give critics much thought, it is usually significant when they are united in their opinions. Unfortunately, this will probably just end up encouraging The Hammer to put more shows like ECW and 'Who Wants To Be A Superhero' on SciFi.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Oh dear god.

    by HarryBlackPotter

    That's all I gotta say about that.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 6:49 a.m. CST

    With it's production values...this is no surprise to me

    by Lezbo Milk

    I mean come on, this thing looked like shit from the get go. You could predict this failure coming from a mile away. As far as the execs at Sci-Fi go, well, you don't really have much to do other than pull your heads out of your asses. Do you ever as anybody any questions outside your little circles? Ever? Give it a shot sometime. Now go have lunch with the soon to be unemployeed dolt who greenlit Cavemen and figure out what to do with yourselves.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Sci FI only has been

    by jhpiii

    Sci FI only has been BAttlestar Galactica...other than that.....everythig just sucks on that station....which is whi HIGHLANDER HE SOURCE will be there IN sEPT. insted of the theaters. It will be in good company.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Shows I guarantee you will be canceled this year

    by RokurGepta

    Flash Gorden <br> Painkiller Jane <br> Jericho (this time for good) <br> Pushing Daises <br> Moonlight <br> Reaper <br> Cavemen <br> Cane <br> Aliens in America <br> Carpoolers <br> Friday Night Lights <br>

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 7:27 a.m. CST


    by Pennsy

    Egads, how bad is this gonna be?

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 7:27 a.m. CST


    by chrth

    I will watch it. I will never give up on this show!<p> ...Until the Fall Season starts.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 7:28 a.m. CST

    … incredibly boring, unwatchable …

    by ATARI

    That about sums it up.<br> <br> Buy the movie DVD instead.<br>

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Gee, it sucks, I'm so shocked...

    by The Ape Giggins

    Did ANYONE really expect this was going to be good? And like that one review pointed out, who exactly is into Flash Gordon anymore? Are there people writing to Sci-Fi begging for a Commando Cody series?

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 7:33 a.m. CST


    by The Ape Giggins

    Doctor Who is good too but they don't make that so...I guess BSG really is their only triumph

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST

    I must agree, who didn't think this would suck?

    by brokentusk

    Really now, everything we've seen from this show has looked terrible (and I'm not even trying to be mean, or angry here, I'm just being honest). The sets are covered in neon lights and the cast all look like they're made out of plastic. I could have told Sci-Fi before the first episode was shot that this series would be garbage. Alas, they're run by monkeys, and monkeys don't speak English.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 7:36 a.m. CST


    by Al Delvechio

    If you guys need a proof reader...I can give you a very good deal.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 7:39 a.m. CST

    So, rokurgepta, what do you REALLY think of Sci-Fi?

    by Pennsy


  • Aug. 10, 2007, 7:40 a.m. CST

    For THIS they axed THE DRESDEN FILES?

    by SpyGuy

    Fuck you, Bonnie Hammer. If it wasn't for DOCTOR WHO and BATTLESTAR, I wouldn't even watch your piece of shit channel.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Tin Man Miniseries????

    by RokurGepta

    Anyone have any hopes for this being good? <p> I WANT it to be good, but it is destined to be only slightly better than Sands of Oblivion

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    From Sci Fi

    by RokurGepta

    Battlestar's Moore Signs Deal Battlestar Galactica creator Ronald D. Moore has signed a two-year deal with Universal Media Studios, Variety reported. Under the deal, Moore will continue on Battlestar, which will wrap its run on SCI FI Channel next year. Moore will simultaneously begin developing projects for the studio, with a fall 2008 series a possibility, the trade paper reported. Getting a Moore-created series on SCI FI's sister broadcast network NBC is a top priority. Moore's feature work will also include the sequel to I, Robot for 20th Century Fox and an update of The Thing for Universal Studios. (SCI FI, NBC, Universal Media Studios and Universal Pictures are all owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.)

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Like we didn't know this would blow chunks...

    by Kid Z

    ...When they announced that Mongo would be a "dystopian extradimensional world, more like the world of Mad Max" and that "the hawkmen don't have wings or fly, it more like they admire birds (chortle) and follow the way of the (BWAH-HA-HA-haaaa...) hawk." Shite-Fi Channel strikes again!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST

    The Pittsburgh Gazette guy sucks

    by chien_sale

    The Dresden Files Ruled

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Ming Of Mongo

    by Boba Fat

    For fucks sake!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Our only hope is...

    by Kid Z

    ... No not Flash Gordon (Ahh-Ahhhhhhh!), but that Sci-Fi gets bought out, drops it's supposed "science fiction" emphasis, changes it's name to some meaningless word (Spike, etc) or meaningless combination of letters (CW, etc) and becomes the "home of suck" airing bad b-movies, dead-in-the-water pilots to never-aired shows and endless infomercials (like how Girls Gone Wild ads air on Comedy Central from 2 AM until 7 AM everyday). Then we can just ignore it completely.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8 a.m. CST

    This was thrice doomed.....

    by Hint of Smegma

    First when the film project was announced to be in the hands of Stephen 'Hack" Sommers....second when Sci Fi decided to go for the cheap option in it's tv project - the opposite way to make a successful show, with their own amazingly good Galactica remake as proof, and third by the simple fact that the 1980 Flash Gordon was as perfect as a film can be. It will never be topped by any remake, and was without doubt one of the most purely enjoyable movies made in the '80's. Fuck, it may have been camp and over the top but hell it was fantastic - and I'd take it over any of the sc-fi 'event' movies made in the last 10 years. Lucas, I'm looking at you, bitch.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST


    by arrangedletters

    That is all.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:14 a.m. CST


    by mediaguypj

    This show looks like a festering pile of SCI-FI CRAP. I am sorry, there is nothing that ties this to the old Flash Gordon serial other than names. If anything its closer to SG1. One of the things about the original Flash Gordon character was he was stuck on Mongo, and wtf now he can come back to earth. I would like to thank the sci-fi channel for ruining another sci-fi legend. THANKS YOU COCK-KNOCKERS!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:16 a.m. CST

    How do I really feel

    by RokurGepta

    Why I think Battlestar Galactica works is because the show takes itself seriously. It's edge, it's gritty, it's dramatic, the show has no problem getting down and dirty. It's a show made by adults for adults. The acting is above par, hell, everything about the show is well done, from camera work, to foley fx. The music pulls the strings of our hearts, everything is smooth. It has very high production value, and we are all lucky and blessed that it exists. <p> I the reason most of the shows on sci-fi suck is because the team behind the shows in all aspects of production don't take the shows seriously. If you took all the cheesy campy shit out of shows like Stargate, and made them edgier, and kills some main characters off, which Atlantis tried to do this past season, the shows would have more of a following. Take out 90% of the jokes, dim the lights, make the bad guys actually sinister, have more cliff hangers instead of episodic. I don't need 'splosions, I need drama. Most sci-fi shows have the feel of campy saturday morning cartoons, and that is why they suck. <p> Does sci-fi channel even turn a profit, or is it some kind of giant tax write off for Vivendi Universal?

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    SCI FI already did a perfect “re-imagining" of FLASH...

    by Rufus_T_Firefly

    …and it was called “Farscape.” We all know how they treated THAT.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST

    The shame of it is...

    by Hint of Smegma

    ...that the Flash Gordon 'universe' could be brilliantly redone. I don't think it would ever be able to touch the 1980 version, but much as I loved it and the serials it is certainly material that could be well updated. Going the BSG route would be a great way to update it as they can't touch the uniqueness of the '80's version, but changing it to a gritty, dark menacing version would give make it different enough to enjoy it on a seperate level. Plus, it wouldn't suck like this low rent turdfest. And who the fuck chose to put a bit actor from Smallville (Smallville, for fucks sake) in the lead role...? No offence to the guy, really, but he's not lead material. The girl playing Aura is no Ornella Muti, and that's putting it mildly, and the whole Ming of Mongo let's-not-offend-anyone reimagining is a joke. A blond non-entity put in the shoes of men like Charles Middleton and Max von Sydow? Those shoes don't fit, baby. His feet don't even touch the sides. And don't even get me started on the casting for Zarkov. Fucking Hell. That's all I have to say on that totally insane choice.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:40 a.m. CST

    The Dresden Files Rules.

    by Naxos

    Flash looks like more of the same junk as recent Sci Fi shows like Painkiller Lame. I take exception to any mention of The Dresden File being associated with that garbage. It was the only new show on Sci Fi that was worth a darn and they cancelled it even after it got better ratings than BSG.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:43 a.m. CST

    SciFi hit and miss, mostly miss.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Quality shows like farscape, Invisible Man and Lexx get cancelled while crap is developed that everyone knows will suck. <p> As for Dresden Files, they fucked the show up by straying too far from the books. What asshole thought up the hockey stick staff and drumstick wand. Or ditching the blonde tough detective for a hispanic with a kid. Smell formula anyone? <p>Eureka gets better and better. The last episode was probably the best yet. Not only are the characters coherent and act within character but they have started adding the little things that a ubergeek town would have, like Robogeese.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Naxos, Dresden Files sucked.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    I'm biased due to reading the books first. <p> But they sucked the life from the show and added idiot formula ideas. Where was the VW? Why the hockey stick and drum stick? Why trade detectives? <p> Dresden limped from episode to episode.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Sci Fi should remake Flesh Gordon

    by GreatCzarsGhost

    A remake of the classic 70's Flesh Gordon would result in some of the best ratings on cable ever.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Dresden was terrific

    by Bujin 1964

    Loved the Dresden Files. It certainly had potential if given more than 12 episodes - Buffy, Star Trek TNG, Seinfeld and many others didn't hit their best in their first seasons either. It's a shame that networks rely on immediate mega-hits and don't give series a chance to really get a following any more.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Too many purists

    by Naxos

    I would never have even read the books if it wasn't for the show. Books sales tripled as a result of The Dresden Files. Would I have had a different opinion if I read the books first, mabey? That did not stop them though from making a good show. I am tired of seeing good Sci Fi and Fantasy get the shaft before it' time and the only thing new we get is low budget crud.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Flash series, movie, and old action figures

    by tylermo

    GCH888, I totally agree with you about the missed action figure opportunities. Truth be known, times were tight for my family during the Star Wars and Flash Gordon years. I did manage occasionally get some MIcronauts, 6 million dollar man, or MEGO superheroes, etc. But, largely just Star Wars. Still love my nearly 58 year old mother for the sweat of her single mother, waitressing brow, for buying me so much of that. Might not have gotten everything that other kids got, but I did alright. But, I digress with praising my mother for her hard work. It's funny you mentioned Flash Gordon figures. There were some 1979 F.G. cartoon figs, but none from the movie version. When I was in 5th grade, I clearly remember bullshitting my friends that there was a war rocket Ajax toy that would stab through a Ming figure. And, I also said there was a crushing Munson doll. hehe They called bullshit, but it was fun. On to more serious points...I have only seen a few pics of the new Flash actor, and maybe Dale. As soon as I heard about the drastic changes, I knew this project might be doomed. Should have taken the fun and atmosphere of the old serials and the 80 movie, mixed with some Farscape elements, and some mature writing. You might have had something then. I'll reserve some judgement until I've seen a few, but this will most likely suck. Oh well, we've still go Battlestar and Doctor Who. ANd, we had Farscape for a time, Stargate(mixed results), and the halfway decent Dune mini-series. :-(

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:03 a.m. CST


    by cyrent

    "Battlestar's Moore Signs Deal" ... either you are an asshat for not posting a link to this, or incredibly more likely, you are a huge asshat for fabricating a story like that.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    EvilGlick, did you actually watch THE DRESDEN FILES?

    by SpyGuy

    If you actually hung in past the first few episodes, you would have noticed that Valerie Cruz and Paul Blackthorne had some pretty decent chemistry together and a "blonde tough detective" would have been even more formulaic. As for the hockey stick staff and the drumstick wand, they were quirky modifications that gave the series an extra bit of charm and only mattered to hardcore fans of the books. I'm honestly surprised you weren't pissy about Terrence Mann's portrayal of Bob, who worked far better on screen than a talking skull would have.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    This show needs Ornella Muti.

    by Bubba Gillman

    Then I'd watch.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Holy shit, ignore the above

    by cyrent

    I just found the press release on ScifiWire. Does this mean season 4 isn't the end of BSG?????!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Ornella Muti

    by tylermo

    I remember how Raquel Welch was thought to be one of the world's most beautiful celebrities. And, there's no doubt that she was. At the same time, I think Ornella Muti could have been on that list. Let's face it, the Italian actress was probably little known to any of us(including U.S. critics)until Flash Gordon. I'm not saying that she became a somebody after that role, but she was half-way decent. And, damned if she wasn't hot. I would dare say better looking than almost any known celebrity at the time. Check out her official page. As I recall, you'll be pleasantly surprised by one pic. I know that's horrible. Suffice it to say, Ornella was at her peak from the late 70's-mid 80's.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Dresden files

    by optimus122

    Was real good glick , sorry but your wrong about this certainly blows away PKJ and I am sure it is much better then this crap that this thread is based on.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Am I the only one dumb enough to watch who wants to be

    by INWOsuxRED

    a superhero? It is horrible, but I love it. They lost all the funnest/stupidest people yesterday, so now all that is left is for Stan to pick someone who crys alot. I hope Fat Mama and Major Victory appear in the Feedback movie, because that guy won't be able to carry a 5 minute movie.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    I could have been someone, I coulda been a Caprica...

    by UGABugKiller

    ... instead of a bum, which, is what I am, let's face it. It does NOT surprise me that SciFi has screwed this up. The guy who wrote for Charmed? And you expect good things from this guy? It's like it's The WB all over again, where crap like Charmed and 7th Heaven get a reprieve over the greatness of Angel. SciFi could have had Caprica and chose this giant turd instead. Is ANYONE surprised?

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Cyrent......season 4 is the end fortunately/unfortunate

    by Hint of Smegma

    ly......Moore is just signed to develop other projects including a remake of the Thing. BSG ends at season 4 which sucks because it'll be over, but is great because they'll actually get to close the story instead of getting cancelled without a resolution - which is what would happen if they tried for season 5. The show is too expensive, and the goodwill and acclaim it gets as one of the best sci-fi shows ever obviously doesn't count to the moneymen at SciFi. I think they could have kept the quality with a 5th season, but shouldn't of tried for longer than that - although I'll take 4 seasons, a tv film and a miniseries over 5 seasons and an unfinished story.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Executives are safe from crap series blowback

    by kabong

    1. invoked "edgy" <p> 2. went with proven property <p> 3. any criticism is due to you scum not appreciating that it's "re-imagining"

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    I could've told you it sucked from the ads alone

    by BringingSexyBack


  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Sci-Fi channel

    by fish tacos

    should just wrap it up and fuck off. Stargate is and always has been the lamest POS show, other than the blonde milf with the juggage it is unwatchable. The fact that it was on as long as it was says it all. BSG is good, that's about the only thing they've gotten right. And the original movies... what the hell. I still can't figure out just how they consistently churn out that many genre movies that suck that badly.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    4th reason this shitfest will fail dramatically.

    by Hint of Smegma

    No Queen or Queen related soundtrack....face it, whether you like them or not (and if you don't, just run out now and lay your head on the nearest railway tracks and await further instructions) their score to the '80's movie has been so inextricably linked to Flash Gordon the concept, not even including any reference to it in the show is a bad can watch the serials and it not being there doesn't matter, obviously, but any post Sam Jones project needs to have a score that at least reflects the brilliance Mercury et al added to the movie. It doesn't need to be exactly the same by any means, but they need it somehow updated......even SciFi knows it as they have the music in the previews to sucker us in.....Moore included the original score via hints in the new BSG, not many but they were there and were very effective when used. This show looks so bad, I'm surprised Freddie Mercury praise-be-his-name hasn't forced his own second coming just to hold a press conference and disavow any musical involvement.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Where is my BUCK ROGERS remake????

    by Squashua

    A biddy-biddy-biddy-biddy-biddy.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST


    by slkboxrman

    did they really cancel the dresden files ? i missed that was a great show, never read the books and dont care if they strayed, look at the new harry potter movie that left about half the book out thats bad...eureka is great, and keeps gettin better...i dont care what anyone says..... as for flash,ill watch the first episode and see if it catches my attention....if not i wont watch it anymore......what they really should have turned into a full time series is fallen.... the movie and the 4 episodes theyve been showing are pretty good...

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Read the scripts to these three months ago..

    by Uncapie

    ...real crap. Flash's father is working on this teletransportation device when he goes missing. Flash n' pals are sucked up into a ray that Ming the Merciless is using on Earth to depleate its supply of raw minerals(John Carter, anyone?) and end up on Mongo. No spaceships. No cool monsters. Just Flash prancing around the universe in search of a plot. Fuck this. Universal had a limited budget and shot on the back lot with the original Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers and they did a great job fir their time. Granted, they're dated now, but I rather watch Buster Crabbe kick some Mongo ass than this new guy. The problem is, is that the people in charge are bean counters and pencil pushers. They don't have a creative gene in their blood. This is why film and tv is suffering and we, the public, reap their disenfranchised benefits. Its all about money and the bottom line, not about creating something timeless that would inspire someone or be talked about forty years later. Like it or didn't, you choose, but the Flash Gordon movie(Which had a great soundtrack and used the Alex Raymond drawings in the credits.) made in 1980 will be remembered a lot longer than this tv series tuna that will go out in a blink of an eye.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:57 a.m. CST

    SpyGuy, Yep watched in hopes they would get better.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    As I said I was biased by the books. <p> Yes it was better than PKJ, but NOT the quality I would have liked seeing. <p> They diverged too far from the books and it got cancelled. <p> Pretty simple. <p> For Scifi Dresden was better than most of the new shows they throw up. <p> And if you hadn't read the books it wasn't bad.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Uncapie, More like Charlie Jade.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    "Flash n' pals are sucked up into a ray that Ming the Merciless is using on Earth to depleate its supply of raw minerals(John Carter, anyone?)" <p> That's the fucking Charlie Jade plot. With Ming replacing the corporation.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Where's my Crash Corrigan remakes!

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Crash ruled!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST

    UMMMM....did anyone actually

    by ClarkWayne

    think this would be any good...i love the original movie...mostly if not all because i love Queen...and needless to say i thought a tv show was a stupid idea...anyone with me here

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:22 a.m. CST

    "Tricked Ya, Barin!" - nothing else can come close

    by FloridaJones

    That is all

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Where is Evil Dead: the Series?

    by KryptonOne

    I wants me some kick-Ash TV!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST

    EvilWizardGlick, you're right!

    by Uncapie

    Why these jerks didn't go to the source(The comic strips.) is beyond me. So much to use there. "Oh, we have to re-imagine Flash, so we'll just steal, whoops, we mean be 'inspired' from John Carter or Charlie Jade!" Fuck that! Roger Corman could have done a better job than these guys!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Was there any doubt?

    by PwnedByStallone

    Flush Gordon I say. See what I did there?

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    The Filmation Cartoon

    by DS9Sisko

    Despite the mind numbing repetition of the many animation shots (because it was being done on the cheap), the first season of The New Animated Adventures of Flash Gordon was a stunning acheivement for its time and still puts many animated shows today, especially most nonsensical and vastly overrated Japanese anime crap, to shame.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Anchorite, stop talking such shit.

    by Hint of Smegma

    Of course it's fine to like silly shows, as ong as that's not all you like, but frankly there's enough banality and medicre shows on the box these days....wouldn't it have been nice if the SciFi channel had hired people to remake Flash who had the talent of the people behind the new BSG, and also who had the same level of respect and a desire to make a great show? Because these fuckers sure didn't. There's enough crap on tv - and for a character as beloved as Flash Gordon, a crap remake/reimagining just isn't good enough.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    "Quality shows like... Lexx get cancelled"

    by Mockingbird Girl

    EvilWizardGlick, are you HIGH???

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    I thought it was about Flash

    by DocMHumphrey

    I thought it was about Flash going to Mongo, representing the human spirit with Dale and Zarchov in tow.<br><br>What we get is warehouses, backyards, and robots in Flash's suburban home. Flash isn't even a football player, he's a track star or something. I haven't seen it yet and I don't want to judge. I want to give it a chance first. I did that for 'Transformers' and I enjoyed the changes and the film. Sadly, I think this feels like it could be cliches tied together.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST


    by mreeez

    The Dresden Files differed from the books for a variety of logical reasons. If you want to read them, head over to the Jim Butcher boards. I've read all the books and liked the show for what it was, an alternate take on the books for a different medium. Maybe down the line there will be some movies that are closer to the books. Too bad SciFi keeps putting out crap that they make and cancel the quality stuff that they don't make (Dresden was made by Lionsgate).

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Fuck'n Shitheads at Sci-fi

    by picardsucks

    they make one great show, Galactica, and they think they are Omnipotent. Assholes. Let the firings begin!!!! Hopefully they can bring in some new creators and salvage things. Why not just continue where the movie left off??? Why does everything have to be some sort of bruding political allegory shot with a high gloom factor in the woods of Vancouver??? When did science fiction writers and creators become some politically correct pussies that they can't portray a major villian as a minority, because we all know every last bad guy in history was white and blond. Oh they all think they are soooo clever and avante garde, and we are just to stupid to understand their elevated way of seeing society and how sci-fi represents it's ills. Oh we can't use the Queen song, it's too 80's too campy. Dumb, coked up, Saki-bomb drinking, hack shitheads. You fucked up what could have been a really cool franchise, hope you still have your aprons because you are about to get your old jobs back waiting tables at Spago and telling the real talent that comes in what an honor it is to meet them and how you are trying to break in to the business yourselves. You Shit-fucks!!!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Dresden Files

    by Bluejack

    I was looking forward to the story developing. I didn't think the writing was that bad. The hispanic detective was a hotty, and not a bad actress as well. I'm surprised it got the can.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    As a Canadian, let me just say.............

    by Stuntcock Mike

    yeah, we tend to wreck shit up here(see Bon Cop, Bad Cop. Highwaymen, etc.)

  • Aug. 10, 2007, noon CST

    Don't know about the show

    by skydemon

    because I've not seen it, but there isn't anything interesting about the trailers. Just looks like a watered down version of Smallville to me. Eureka is good, It's on my DVR weekly record list, don't understand the negativity here about that show, NO it's not Galactica, but It's not supposed to be either. Does It Entertain? That is the key to success or failure of any show. I'm going to give the FG pilot a chance, I'll at least watch that, if it fails to interest me, I've got better things to do with my time, simple as that.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I recommend the Ming the Merciless pie, with Sriracha flavored chicken and a cheese-stuffed crust. <p>Only for a limited time <p>Only at Pizza Hut

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Dresden Files Sucked

    by offput

    At least Eureka's writing isn't atrocious; they are a comedic sci-fi show, which isn't that common now that BSG has introduced the "depress the fuck out of the audience" technique of sci-fi writing. Dresden Files on the other hand is a really really weak version of Supernatural which is saying something cause Supernatural isn't that great anyways.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Always look on the bright side....

    by Richard Thornberg

    If not for Sci Fi's sweetly retarded tomfoolery, would we think to revel in the glory of the 1980 version? "Oh well... Who wants to live forever? Ha ha ha ha... DIIIIIVE!"

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST


    by Marduk

    Sure is funny to see SciFi use a full day marathon of Firefly to shill this piece of shit. And by 'funny' I mean 'Jesus wept'.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Hey Al Delvechio the proofreader...

    by wetzello

    "If you guys need a proof reader...I can give you a very good deal." Sorry, they are looking for someone who really knows the English language, and knows that molder is a word. Maybe you didn't learn that one in your Dick and Jane reader.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    INWOsuxRED you aren't the only one.

    by FrodoFraggins

    "Who wants to be a superhero" is completely assinine. But for some reason I feel compelled to watch that trainwreck. That feedback flick is going to be REALLY REALLY bad. I just don't see how it can't be. that guy has no charisma.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    "Now if someone made a television show based on Tron."

    by SG7

    The did. It was called "Automan." Oh so bad.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    A PC, blond Ming the Merciless equals...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    PURE, UNADULTERATED CRAP!!!!!!!! >:O<p>That ALONE destroys any possibility that this Flash Gordon is, in any way, worth wasting a second watching.<p>If the creators are too cowardly to even make a character as iconic as Ming LOOK Asian, for fear of "offending" someone, then they don't deserve having any part in a Flash Gordon production.<p>It would've been better to have Ming DEAD and cast this guy as "Hans, Ming's Swedish — and slightly testy — half-brother" than to insult our intelligence like this.<p>The guy's name is MING, idiots!!! He's ASIAN, not Canadian!!! >:O

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    I have seen the pilot....

    by SG7

    ...and yes, it does suck as much ass as these reviews imply.<br><br>SciFi Channel is run by a cadre of retarded one-armed epeleptic monkeys.<br><br>And yeah, WTF is up with "ECW?" What's next? NASCAR?

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Oh, and AUTOMAN was awesome!!! :)

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Some people just have no taste.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Atlantis any darker by killing a character? NOPE

    by RokurGepta <p> McGillion Talks Atlantis Return Paul McGillion, who will be returning to Stargate Atlantis in the role of Dr. Carson Beckett for a two-episode arc during the upcoming fourth season, told SCI FI Wire that it feels great to be back on the show after nearly a year away. "Honestly, it feels like coming home," McGillion said in an interview on the phone from the set in Vancouver, Canada. "And everyone's been so terrific to me. The crew gave me a little round of applause when I came back on the set. And that was really sweet. That felt really nice. And everyone's been really gracious towards me, and it's just been really nice. I love the character, and the chance to reprise Beckett is my pleasure." McGillion's character perished in an explosion near the end of the third season, causing an outcry among fans, who began a Save Carson Beckett campaign in an attempt to bring him back. McGillion said he's been encouraged by the all fan support, but was still somewhat surprised when he got the call to come back. "When the fellas told me that they were going to be making some changes with the cast and stuff, they said, 'No one ever dies in sci-fi,'" McGillion said. "I was kind of surprised, but having heard a lot of the fan reaction and stuff, I think it was a big thing when my character died, and I think that has a lot to do with the writing they gave the character and the opportunity to play such a fun character and a well-loved character. A lot of people have called him the heart of Atlantis. And I think the fans really stood behind that and rallied behind the character a lot. So I was flattered and obviously thrilled to come back." The details of the episodes are being kept under wraps, but McGillion assured fans that they would be satisfied with his role in the story. "They gave me a really great storyline," he said. "I think the fans will appreciate it. Beckett has a lot to do in the storyline that they've given the character. So I'm really happy with it. I think it's a really great way to bring Beckett back. Without going into any details, because I really can't, he's heavily, heavily based in the episodes. They'll see a lot of Beckett." The future of the character beyond the two episodes remains unclear, but McGillion is open to the possibility of coming back on a more permanent basis. "We'll see what happens," he said." I don't know what their plans are for the character or where I'm going to be, but it's always a pleasure to come back and work on the show, that's for sure. So I'm not ruling anything out." In addition to McGillion's return, Atlantis viewers can also look forward to guest appearances by Torri Higginson (Dr. Elizabeth Weir) and Stargate SG-1's Christopher Judge (Teal'c) in the upcoming fourth season. Stargate: Atlantis will return on Sept. 28 in a new timeslot on Fridays at 10 p.m. PT/ET. —Cindy White

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 1:34 p.m. CST

    "Badly written... and done on the cheap."

    by bswise

    Sounds just like Stargate. Well, here are five simple warning signs for cheap, tax write-off SciFi shows: 1. The steam-powered warehouse spaceship. (You know, the giant poorly-lit spaceship interior with lots of metal catwalks, steampipes, and hanging chains, just like... the old warehouse where is was shot, *cough* BG Pilot *cough*. The original Alien opened the slucegates for this one.) 2. Aliens who look just like hu-mans, but with crap glued onto their foreheads ('nuff said). 3. Lame "portal" effect instead of spaceships. 4. Lots and lots of scenes set on early 21st century Earth (suburban homes, parking garages, generic woods, bowling alleys, studio hallway behind set, etc., ...) 5. Rolling desk chairs from Office Depot on the the bridge of the spaceship. (For me, BG jumped the shark in the pilot when the Galactica was hit and somebody on the bridge rolled in their 1970's-style office chair right into a plate-glass windo in the middle of the bridge—now there's some engineering!) Anybody else?

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    I like Eureka mach5

    by PVIII

    but clearly BSG is superior. two different types of shows though. Bonnie Hammer can suck it. MAKE A LOST ROOM SERIES PEOPLE!!!!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST

    "flashes (heh) of promise"

    by AxeBox

    Entertainment Weekly just used internet slang. LOLZ.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Ming as an "Alien"

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Would be cool, if they really made him look "alien," and didn't just put a knob on his forehead like on Star Trek. Otherwise, what would be the point, since he's an alien already in the Flash Gordon universe? He simply looks Asian, just like the Vulcans.<p> Which, I suppose, could mean that "we Westerners" haven't gotten beyond being as racist, chauvinistic and ethnocentric as some of us would like to think. Star Wars prequels, anyone? Personally, I think it's just part of being human.<p>Unfortunately, Sci-Fi didn't choose that route, instead giving us this limp, watered-down, politically-correct garbage consisting of a white, blond, handsome, Canadian "Ming the Slightly-Annoyed"!<p>Sorry, but give me a politically-INCORRECT Ming anyday over this! I don't care if the character WAS created during the "Yellow Scare" era, he's iconic and been around for 70 years. Just like Shiwan Khan, Charlie Chan or Dr. Fu Manchu. Either use him as a recognizable figure, or for heaven's sake, don't use him at all!!!<p>By NOT doing so and trying to be PC, the Sci-Fi Channel simply cut the show's throat before it even aired, by castrating it's most recognizable character — and main villian — and making him look and act like a milksop, simply so SOMEONE, somewhere wouldn't be offended.<p>Judging from the reviews, it didn't work. I'm SHOCKED...

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Lost Room Series

    by RokurGepta

    would be FANTASTIC, that means it will never happen

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Oh, and AUTOMAN...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Is awesome, just like Adam West's Batman is. You don't have to be 11 to enjoy it. It's wholesome fun for the entire FAMILY! :)

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    FLASH byyyye iiiiiii you are goonneee...

    by new alien

    Sorry the buzz is so strong against this the people working on this should just tell their agents to start looking for their next gig. The creators just don't get it and go so far from the source material and start to get too PC and boom craptacular failure!! I am finding less and less to see on SCIFI these days. I only dig BSG, EUREKA, DR. WHO and SG-A. While these shows tend to vary in quality they do have their own feel and style. While some may be upset that BSG is a remake like FG to a degree the original source material was not around as long as FLASH GORDON and not as set in foundation in the type of property it was. The 1980 film was pretty close to the source, the Filmation cartoon was even closer. From what I have read in reactions to this show FLASH GORDON has a strong association with a certain look to Ming, rock ships, fun stylized art deco alien settings, all types of creatures, wild gals, sword play, hawkmen, etc. It seems they tossed most of it this material that made FLASH GORDON what it was. It is like a SLIDERS SG-1-FLASH GORDON we get that is production designed badly and tossed out to be destroyed. I know many of you brought it up that FARSCAPE was actually closer to a modern FLASH GORDON show that what the FGINO will show tonight. I have to agree there and they just cut that show down. I have to think with the Sommers FLASH GORDON film that was to be, that would of been closer to the feel than this. Funny thing for a brief moment I had a touch of hope that this would be a fun/cool show. Ha hahahha gee it is on the SCIFI channel where something of quality is rare and it seems accidental. Well to end on a twisted note I may actually tape this and watch it. It could be fun to abuse my sense of what could of been.;) Oh well it is just another show. A true FLASH GORDON film/series at this point my never be made or it it is it will be several years from now. Rockets are go and I am outta here.;)

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Automan WAS cool...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    but also wasn't intended to be straight adventure. They cast Desi Arnez Jr. as the nebbish lead, for goodness sake! Everytime Automan drove around a corner, Desi's face got flattened against the window! That's not camp???<p>It's not like they intended it to be Knight Rider or The Incredible Hulk. It was a light-hearted action series, which was really a LOT of fun! I think you're remembering it as intending to be more serious than it ever really was.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Apparently, The REAL Ming...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Sent his website address to the creators of the new Sci-Fi series.<p>

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Don't knock nostalgia, MOM...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    It makes life at LOT more fun and enjoyable! Otherwise, we couldn't appreciate ANYTHING that didn't match the same standards as today's... from old films, cars, comics or anything else. And 20 years from now, you won't be able to appreciate TODAY'S cultural offerings!<p>You need to loosen up more... watch some Automan. :)

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Siskel and Ebert liked the Star Wars movies

    by INWOsuxRED

    and they were and still are the only critics I've ever paid attention to.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    You know everyone fucks up "Flash Gordon"

    by Gozu

    The Alex Raymond strips are brilliant, yet everyone tries to update them or just references the serials. "Flash Gordon" doesn't need to be rebooted, he just needs a better adaptation.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Karen Cliche is in it!!!

    by Ka Dargo

    Even if it does suck at least that hottie is gonna be a bounty hunter. She was yummy in Mutant X and looks like she went back to the black hair. Not many look good goin blonde.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 4:20 p.m. CST

    maybe Dresden could get a firefly following

    by theonecalledshoe

    going to renew the show. It was decent. Harry Potter for adults. As for the Flash Gordon show, meh, not surprised (see Superman Returns and compare and contast.) At least Queen got some money. The OG camp fest FG was the best! Now the upcoming Highlander movie, I wonder...

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Ming the Mercilously Sarcastic

    by bswise

    But wait, what's this about a FARSCAPE Web-series!!! "<start clip>San Diego, CA (Comic-Con) July 28, 2007 — More good news for Farscape fans! Series Creator Rockne S. O’Bannon has signed on to executive produce and develop stories for the new 10-episode webisode series based on the beloved show. Produced for SCIFI.COM by The Jim Henson Company, in association with RHI Entertainment, the Farscape Web series is a groundbreaking endeavor that proves that television series can live again via new digital platforms. O’Bannon will work closely with executive producers Brian Henson and Robert Halmi, Jr., and SCIFI.COM’s Craig Engler, to develop the online show’s storyline, which will revive and expand the Farscape universe. Each episode is anticipated to run 3-6 minutes in length. “The characters, creatures, passions, conflicts and barely contained lunacy of the Farscape universe have never stopped. We just haven't had a window into that universe lately to see what's currently happening there. Well now we do. And it ain't calm, and it ain't pretty, and it ain't like anything anyone is going to expect. But it is totally Farscape,” promised O’Bannon....<end clip>]"

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Mercilessly Bad Spelling There

    by bswise


  • Aug. 10, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Bring back I-Man and G vs. E

    by _Maltheus_

    <p>Those were cheap shows that at least had some cool writing. Hell, I'd settle for Invisible Man on DVD at least. Why doesn't sci-fi want my money? At least this Flash News has encouraged my to add the 80s version to my Netflix queue. I haven't seen that in a while. But I won't be checking out this show.</p> <p>I'm all but done with Sci-Fi. I may still watch Atlantis to see what comes of the shakeup, but I've never thought much of that show. And I guess I'll stick with BSG since it's the last season (if they do renew it for a 5th, I'm done now). It seems like I'm quickly getting to the point where Sci-Fi will no longer hold a place in my lineup. It's pretty sad when a channel supposedly dedicated to science fiction can't even hold on to science fiction fans. It's not like we have anywhere else to go, but I'll go watch paint dry instead. Bonner Hammer's name is starting to get up there with Berman and Bragga. She obviously bribed, fucked or blackmailed somebody for the job. Fucking Hollywood nepotism. A true free market would eat her alive.</p>

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Starring the guy who looked wooden next to Tom Welling

    by Big Bad Clone

    and filmed in the woods where they did that Beast Master series comes the least interesting looking series ever. <lb><p> Karen Cliche being involved means I'll only see part of it once. I mean Jewel Straite can't even get me to watch Stargate: Atlantis.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 5:25 p.m. CST

    I'm scared to even watch this...

    by Alfred_Packer

    I love the movie so much, I don't the stench of anything else to taint my memory when I'm watching it.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Oh, and there are action figures coming out...

    by Alfred_Packer

    Entertainment Earth and couple other sites have some screen shots. Just Flash and Ming so far (october or November I think), but Man, O, Man, will I buy the whole run. Still pisses me off that Sam J Jones and Melody Anderson recorded a commentary for the film about two years ago and Universal left it off the sodding disc.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Peter Hume...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...sniffs Ron Moore's anal vapors...<p> ...finds no inspiration.<p> FLASH! A-AAAAAAAAAAA He'll bore everyone of us....

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Screw Flash!

    by Alientoast

    Why not pump that production money into those Farscape Webisodes...then turn them into actual episodes!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    sci fi channel has officially jumped the shark

    by sokitome

    Everything on that channel sucks! Cmon why do u think they had 150 million season of SG1 which is crap. EVERYTHING sucks on this channel including, and I know I will get alot of shit for this from talkbackers, including BATTLESTAR GALACTICA....yeah I said, so what wanna fight about it?......bring it on

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Beastmaster quality

    by borisF

    I somebody said it reaks of Beastmaster. What a stupud show that was. 22 episodes SciFi? Really? It must be really cheap.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Can't be more retarded than shuttepod_10

    by MstrShake


  • Aug. 10, 2007, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Hey, don't complain

    by skydemon

    Remember the SciFi channel of yesteryear, endless re-runs of 1960's and 70's sciFi. Hey, at least there's some effort today to do something original, even though the greater percentage of attempts unfortunately miss than hit. Producing shows isn't cheap, and a series must make $$ or no SciFi Channel kiddos, like it or not, it's a business first. WWF on SciFi though, that decision stumps me.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    "Flash Gordon"? Ahhh! Ahhhhh!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

    by MrMysteryGuest

    (Runs away)

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    wow this stinks already...

    by jccalhoun

    slo-mo run through the woods to start the series? Whose idea was that?

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST

    SciFI Channel has sucked longer than an 80 yr old trick

    by Killahertz9

    I'll be surpised when something decent comes out of that place, until then, W.G.A.S. about that Channel.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Maybe this means that...

    by NoHubris

    ...BSG will get a Season 5!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Offtopic, but if you're buying the Jericho Season 1 DVD

    by Pennsy

    You need to be aware of some stuff. It has two featurettes and audio commentaries on 5 episodes (Pilot: The First 17 Hours, Fallout, Rogue River, Red Flag and Vox Populi), but what's troubling is this found on the rear box art: <p> "Some music has been changed for this home entertainment version" and "Some episodes may be edited from their original network versions." <p> The music rights cost plague rears its ugly head again, but wtf with the edited episodes?

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:27 p.m. CST

    For proof:

    by Pennsy

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:29 p.m. CST

    I'm getting a vibe...

    by Pennsy

    That this talkback is going to be miles more entertaining than the premiere. NOW WHERE THE FRELL IS THE PAINKILLER JANE TB, HERC? <p> [/sarcasm] ;)

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Didn't see this coming...

    by Mondo47

    SciFi pulled the plug on Farscape, then pour cash into shite like Mansquito... you can't expect them to do anything right. Tossers. Let's hope they don't discover Blake's Seven anytime soon. I'm now going to stick my head out of my window and scream "Freeze, you bloody bastards!" at the top of my voice to salute the one, true Flash Gordon.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Well, there is a silver lining to this series

    by Lighthouse

    Because of this series, they finally released the 1980 movie on DVD, and now my childhood movie collection is complete.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Which is the worse entertainment offering today, then?

    by Pennsy

    Daddy Day Camp or Flash Gordon?

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Worst Show Ever

    by NHRonin

    Wow, what is this a high school version of Flash Gordon? The campy Dino D. version is far better than this crap. Who's idea was it to make Ming into Bill Clinton?

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Flash.....Ahhhhhhhhh Ahhhhhhhh

    by NHRonin

    He screwed every one of us...... Trash....Ahhhhhh.....Ahhhhhhh..... Sci Fi can kiss my ass...... Trash.....Ahhhhhhhhh Ahhhhhhhh

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 8:58 p.m. CST


    by Pennsy

    Why ask why?

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9 p.m. CST

    What they should have dones.

    by RCFOM

    Is just set the series sometime after the last movie ended. While the first movie is definately craptastic it is very enjoyable to watch. I would have loved watching a series that is a continuation on the last movie. Also not having the Queen song is just beyond stupid.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Ok, guess this really sucks.

    by skydemon

    I'm not watching it, it's recording. Reading the posts here and things ain't soundin good. So I guess I'm eating up DVR space for this crap when I could be saving it for better stuff like Judge Judy or something.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST

    They should have bought Primeval

    by jccalhoun

    This has a lot of similarities to ITV's Primeval but even with all the flaws Primeval was miles better.<br><br>One thing that would have immediately made this show better was getting rid of the nerdy science guy who told us all the backstory. Ummmm, ever hear of show don't tell??? Leave him out and the plot still works but it is a lot more mysterious and interesting.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Buster Crabbe is doing somersaults in his grave.

    by Pennsy

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:18 p.m. CST

    really sucks

    by NudeandAroused

    I think that one would have to work really hard to screw this up. That is what happened here. The production staff seems to work really hard to screw up a story and cast that is such a classic. Amazingly bad. Simpson commericial is the highlight.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    I tuned in late

    by jocutus

    Why are they looking for an IMAX theater? Seriously, it would be more convincing if they just called it the "I-MacGuffin". Everytime they say IMAX I expect them to check the paper for movie listings.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:21 p.m. CST


    by Pennsy

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Why do Flash and his mom...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Look like they're the same age?

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Great... Not only is Ming blond and Canadian,

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    The guy's a midget, as well! What is he — 5'6"??? His daughter towers over him!<p>Way to completely ruin one of the coolest villians in science fiction, SciFi Channel! Next up: Darth Vader wearing a beige jumpsuit and flip-flops...

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST


    by NudeandAroused

    I would rather watch Season 6 of 24.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:34 p.m. CST

    needs a serious rewrite and recasting

    by jccalhoun

    The plot was just needlessly long to get that 90 minute length. Trim it down to 60 minutes and it might have some life to it.<br><br>The actress who plays Aura is so horrible. She just sucks the life out of every scene she's in. Kill off her character and bring in the character's "sister" or something.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST

    What the hell was that

    by tgamble

    OK so Ming is played by a midget (his daughter is taller than him). They live on freakin Dawson's Creek and can use the Stargate to move between worlds. There are no Hawkmen but there may be Coatpeople (I open jacket and can fly). Oh wait...he isn't even a football player. Come on a runner can not beat Ming. To top it all off where was the wooded stump with all the holes that you have to stick your arm in and hope not to die?

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    No Not Za Boreverms!!!!

    by picardsucks

    Holy christ it was even worse that I thought it was going to be!!! I am stupified at how beyond shitty it was. Ming the blond accountant. Yikes!!! Many people deserve to be shitcanned for this hunk of shit!!! Jesus Christ would it have been that difficult to just pick up where the movie left off??? Sci Fi please just do what you do best airing reruns of the Six Million Dollar Man and Incredible Hulk, you bunch of baboons!!!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:40 p.m. CST


    by A-COD

    I didn't just see that did I? You would have to set out on purpose to come up with something this bad. Did 2 producers realize that you could make more money off of a bomb than a hit? Seriously this looked like it was shot in my back yard for about seven dollars. Flash is a marathon runner? Scratch that, there is no reason to nitpick this disaster. I feel insulted. BOO! SciFi Channel BOO! HISS! BOOOOOOOO!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:40 p.m. CST


    by RokurGepta

    You Sir are a moron

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Based on the pilot, I'll keep watching - FOR NOW

    by Pardon_My_Zinger

    I say this as a Flash Gordon fan from WAY back - when I was a kid, they ran the original movie serials on our local PBS station, and I thought they were just the COOLEST SHIT EVER (okay, maybe not so much the third of them, "Flash Gordon Conquers the Universe" - easily the weakest of the trilogy, it's the "Return of the Jedi" of the Depression era, despite the cool title. But the first two - KICK ASS - and happy to say hold up, got 'em on DVD) That said, if one is going to be a PURIST, at the very least they'll take issue with the liberties which this version takes with the original serials and comic strip - in this way, at least, the 1980 version, love it or hate it, was more loyal (No Dr. Zarkoff in this one?) Let me just say that while I don't have a problem with the passage between Earth and Mongo being a dimensional riff (as opposed to getting there by rocket ship), I do hope that after a point they aren't able to just travel between the two places pretty much at will - if that's the case, are they in any REAL danger? Nah, up the ante on that one. BTW as for the New York Post's review - I live in the NYC area and like everyone else who lives here I know damn well that NOBODY takes that rag seriously for ANYTHING (and you'll note that they're the only one of the reviews listed here that ripped it to complete shreads).

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Look on the bright side...

    by Pennsy

    Only 106 days left until we get to see 'Razor', the BSG prequel.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:51 p.m. CST

    I feel so dirty

    by Gorrister

    I don't think I'll ever be able to wash the stink of this show off of me.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Dr. Zarkov AKA George Costanza

    by picardsucks

    Worse than a German Scat film!!!!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Stargate Mongo

    by BrandLoyalist

    Flash Gordon has spaceships. SPACESHIPS. These people were stepping through more freakin' portals - ones that looked like they were made on a PC using the Wormhole Tool with all the default settings. And the script! "He's going to be one despondent despot." And Flash is what, a triple-jump champion or something? And how non-threatening and unimpressive is Ming? How much of an idiot is Zarkov? Why did they come back from Mongo and load luggage into a cab? Series: DIVE!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:01 p.m. CST


    by Gorrister

    Wish I could get excited about this. Unfortunately, Season Three killed the BSG fan inside me. I just don't care anymore. But I am definately glad to have Doctor Who on SciFi at the moment. Shame SciFi can't make shows like that for their own network.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Positivly Horrid

    by KippWade

    Just finished watching it myself... and I just cannot believe that I watched the whole thing. This was horrendous. I actually liked the 1980 film better than this snoozefest! At least the 1980 film was entertaining! The trailer for next weeks episode actualy made me go "WHAT THE FUCK!??!" Did any of the makers of this show actually WATCH the original serials?? By the time the last 30 minutes of the pilot hit... I was actually looking forward to the commercial breaks. I'm leaving to pop in my real Flash Gordon DVD, just so I can wash that bad tase out of my brain.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Season 3

    by NoHubris

    All BSG had to do was use the writers that made Season One great. Come to think of it, FLASH GORDON should've used those writers since they were under-employed on Season 3 BSG.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST

    If they cancel this now, how fast can a movie happen?

    by Drath

    I mean it's been like ten years since that bad cartoon show that last attempted to bring back Flash came and went--and that was fifteen years after the Flash Gordon TV show and movie came out (not counting Defenders of the Earth which was pretty good). So if they cancel this dreck now--and it is dreck, Ming alone is such a colossal misfire that I can't imagine ever letting the idiots responsible near anything comic-book inspired again--how quick will the turn around be for getting a PROPER Flash Gordon movie/project into production? Are we better off hoping against hope that lighting strikes this shit bomb and turns it into gold, or is this going to mire us in mediocre blandness for at least another decade before Flash has another shot? I'm really disappointed, they did everything fans said not to do just about--maybe the Bush Administration is running Sci-Fi now. Lord I actually wish Sephen Sommers had made his movie with Ashton Kutcher now. And yes, my eyeballs bled after ten minutes of Van Helsing just like everybody else's, but at least I can laugh about that now.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    What do you mean Flash Gordon approaching?

    by NHRonin

    ...and he's on a steaming pile of dogshit? God, this show was atrocious. It reminded me of those cheap badly made eighties era syndicated shows like War of the Worlds (which was still infinitely better than this).

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Yeah, ShabbyBlue, I assumed...

    by Pardon_My_Zinger

    That the character was meant to be the variation on Zarkoff in this version, the character through whom Flash and Dale end up on Mongo. Again, I'm trying not to let purism hinder my ability to enjoy the show - which I still say, despite some undeniable problems, wasn't nearly as bad as some of the other posters seem to maintain (btw one last thought regarding the original serials - I mentioned that I loved them when they aired on PBS when I was a kid - at the risk of revealing my approximate age this was in the mid-1970s; when "Star Wars" came out, then, I was excited to see THAT because it was being touted as a new version of "Flash Gordon").

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Tell me more about this man Houdini

    by picardsucks

    War Rocket Ajax - fucking cool!!! New show - Created by Max Bialistock, Springtime for Ming

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:36 p.m. CST

    fucking lame

    by RokurGepta

    why will talking about interdimensional travel somehow bring about the end of the world?

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Flesh Gordon was better than this.

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    seriously, Flesh Gordon was truer to Alex Raymond's strip than this crap, and it was a grade z porno. so far in nearly 80 years, no one has been able to top Buster Crabbe's serials. sure the 1980 movie was fun, and I rushed out and bought the dvd this week, but the 1936 serial was the best. good luck sci-fi channel. you suck, and this is a perfect example of why. the part that pisses me off the most is the stupid guy playing Ming. dude did not resemble Ming in the least. Max Von Sydow, and Charles Middleton rule!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    One Last Thought...

    by Pardon_My_Zinger

    Being live-action, this verison of "Flash Gordon" is inevitably going to be compared to the 1980 version (it's perhaps a safe bet that more people who might be watching it are more familiar with that one than the original 1930s serials; and certainly more than the 1950s TV version - little seen though it IS available on DVD. But I digress...). As the 1980 version - again, love it or hate it - can inarguably be described as OVER THE TOP, I think that this version makes a conscious effort to be, by clear contrast, UNDERSTATED and even SUBTLE. QUIET, almost. Now, whether this will sustain it remains to be seen.(and the general concenus on this TalkBack seems to be that it won't. But once again, I'm going to give it a chance)

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Ming should be the merciless principal

    by kabong

    of the high school where Flash Gordon plays football and Dale Arden is his cheerleader/girlfriend. <p> Or Dale Arden can be Flash's homosexual buddy. <p>Aura can be a foreign exchange student. <p>Zarkov can be Flash's uncool nerd buddy who hacks the school computer. <p>You just know this could be a dynamic concept, if only the network will greenlight it. <p> BTW, I'm fukn jokn.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Now that they fucked up Flash...

    by Johnno

    That relaunch of Buck Rogers will never get off the ground... :(

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST

    No surprise, but a slight disappointment

    by GaiustheBrave

    As to the person who implied that a show taking itself seriously is a necessary and sufficient condition for being good I would like to point out that there are plenty of piles of excrement sitting in video stores right now made by people who took them seriously. Also, there are plenty of movies and shows made by people that realize the absurdity of what's going on and the tongue-in-cheek humor and intended camp that follow can make for passable entertainment. That being said, I enjoy Eureka for the fact that its a fast food meal of a show. It's good for what it is, and it does its job. (It entertains, then it's forgotten.) I wouldn't dream of comparing it to BSG, but not every show has to be a masterpiece. There's room for the Piers Anthonys, too. Flash Gordon's problem is that it fails to be meaningless fun, and that's all it could really hope for.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    MING THE uh... guy over there...

    by Big Bad Clone

    This Ming and Dr. Doom from the Fantastic Four movies must hang out at the same salon to get pedis and manscaped.<lb><p>That Tremors series doesn't sem so bad now. Neither does Mansquito.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Queen rules!!!

    by GalactusZ

    Long live Freddie Mercury!!!

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Just to take the bad taste out of everyone's mouth...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Here's a link to the Flash Gordon Conquers the Universe serial (1940) for streaming video or download. Someone forward it to the research department at Sci-Fi Channel.<p>...on second thought, don't bother. It'd just confuse them.<p>

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST

    The reviews are in...

    by gothfae

    Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST


    by KnightShift

    Ming In Name Only

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Anybody recall WIZARDS AND WARRIORS from the early 80s?

    by DarthCorleone

    They should bring that show back.

  • Aug. 10, 2007, 11:45 p.m. CST

    I might still have my Gold Key comic books of Flash

    by kabong

    Maybe even some Gold Key Star Trek comics drawn by artists who had never seen the TV series. <p> Like Rambo, TV is expendable.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST


    by DarthCorleone

    Did Flash Gordon ever shuttle back and forth between Mongo and Earth in the original source material? All I really know is the 1980 movie, which I love in all its camp glory and have watched dozens of times. Given that the major thrust of the end of that movie is the desire to get back home to Earth, this just feels wrong.<br><br>Funny talkback. I love some of the comments. I had the same reaction the "IMAX." Maybe it's supposed to be "IMEX" or "IMECS"...I don't know.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 12:38 a.m. CST


    by Sir Loin


  • Aug. 11, 2007, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Turd on a stick.

    by aboriginal

    WTF is this shite? And that broad playing Dale sure needs to eat.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Dreadful, just ... aggh (vomiting)

    by Homer Goes DOH

    That's the sound of Alex Raymond puking in his grave. Bad writing, worse acting, lousy direction. It's the trifecta of crap. The 80's Flash (hell, even FLESH Gordon) is freakin' Citizen Kane compared to this stinkin' pile of NOTHING.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 1:30 a.m. CST

    What the hell was that?!?

    by Zarkov72

    I never really post on these boards, but after watching that pewling abortion of a show for an hour and a half, I really have to vent. First off- Ming (sans "The Merciless")- what were they thinking? His look is iconic and probably more important then that of Flash himself. We need a nasty, degenerate Galactic Fu Manchu. We got a guy in a doorman's outfit who looked like he stepped off the set of a Just For Men advert. Flash was profoundly mediocre and generic in a CW kind of way- his chemistry with Dale was just painful to watch. Zarkov had no gravitas, no dignity; he just hung about like a leering kiddie fiddler- I mean, who stalks someone in a big white Winnebago? Old Zarkov was an optimistic visionary, a man for tomorrow- not a grubby slob. The rest were okay, considering the featherweight content. No galactic swashbuckling, no sense of wonder, humor that was weak and indecisive and a budget that would make Doctor Who look flash. A few last thoughts- TV SciFi needs to stop the following: Using Canada for every exotic location ever- space is not an overcast fir forest. Giving the Brainiac a mobile Lab/ command centre- the last show to need that was Knight Rider. Outfitting Evil henchmen in Riot Gear/ Welding Masks- It's not scary, big or clever- they just look like every other minion out there. Enough with the Moody Lighting- it just looks like you're trying to hide cack sets. Ming's Audience Chamber felt like the lobby of a small Aquarium. Portals- I know they save on starships, but come on lads- it's just lazy. That's pretty much it- thanks for the chance to share.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Sci Fi Crap

    by cooper2000

    Boy was this a piece of crap. Horrible. Every contrivance in the book. Terrible script and bad acting. Farscape did it much better. It won't last a season.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 2:31 a.m. CST

    It's sliders meets stargate?

    by Orionsangels

    WTF, I watched this today. UGH! What an awful show. It reminds me nothing of Flash Gordon. Mongo city, looks like a city from the SW prequels. Most of the show takes place outside in the sunlight in green grass and forest like areas. Flash is searching for his fathers with opening portals. Where's the rocket ship that takes them to that worm hole. Say what you will about the 1980 movie. At least it reminded you of Flash Gordon and had style. This show feels like it was filmed on a ranch.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Let's remake more shows!

    by Orionsangels

    and give them their original titles, but make the show so radically different that it reminds me nothing of the beloved show I love. Battlestar galactica, bionic woman, flash gordon.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Flash Gordon should be campy!

    by Orionsangels

    It should retain the look and feel of the 1930's serials and 1980. Look a show or movie doesn't always have to have amazing specials and be totally series to be a good show. Some of the best Scifi written for TV was the original Trek series. Does it matter it looks cheesy, no because the stories are so compelling. That we get lost in them. Do that with Flash Gordon, let it be cheesy and campy, but have good storytelling and the occasional humor.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 2:42 a.m. CST

    series = serious

    by Orionsangels

    Look a show or movie doesn't always have to have amazing specials and be totally SERIOUS to be a good show.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 2:55 a.m. CST

    WTF was that?

    by Crazy person No 245689

    It certainly wasn't Flash Gordon. <br> Flash Gordon is about action and adventure; swashbuckling, flying through space in cool rockets and overall a great sense of fun. <br> That thing on SciFi was horrid. Let's see: No space travel. No adventure. No fun. A Steven Gordon that's as manly as an emo kid at a Fall Out Boy concert. A Hans Zarkov that would fit right in on "Catch A Predator." And an abomination known as Ming the Night Shift Manager at Burger King. <br> I was willing to give them a chance through the first hour (when "Flash" and Dale were playing Scooby-Doo and we had a monster straight out of the 1980s-Guyver movies attacking bowling balls and being fought off with a frying pan). I was even willing to go along when I saw them rip off Sliders for a means of intergalactic transportation, the Dune miniseries for sets and costumes and Babylon 5 for aliens. <br> But when I got to Ming, they lost me. F*S&! this "re-imagining" crap. I can't imagine it'll last for too much longer. And when the DVD sets are collecting dust on the sales bin next to old Manimal and Sex & the City sets, I'll point and laugh. And it'll probably be the only laugh I'll get out of this crap.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 3:07 a.m. CST

    That's what they get for not picking up Firefly

    by closeencounter

    And dumping Farscape. Really, only one great show (BSG), a few good ones, and a whole shitload of movies and TV shows that aren't worth the DVD's they're copied too. Now that I think about, they probably would have screwed up those two shows eventually. Also, it's probably a good thing that BSG will be on for only one more season :(((

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 3:32 a.m. CST

    from the people that brought you "relic hunter"

    by dr.bulber

    says it all

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Make Your own homemade Flash Gordon Movie!

    by GobBluth06

    I just got done watching Flash on my DVR. I was not expecting it to be great, but I didn't think it would be as bad as what it was. Yes, it is the Sci-Fi Channel and everything they produce thats not called Battlestar Galactica is terrible in my opinion. I kept waiting for them to have an actual Ming type guy like the movie and the guy that was Ming was such a disappointment. I should have known from the very first when they showed Flash running in a marathon that this was going to be bad. The first part of the show was very Smallville-esque. It reminded me of the pilot of that, but it quickly went downhill and became more and more almost intolerable to watch. My impression of the first episode: It felt like Sci-Fi had a contest that was called "Make your own homemade Flash Gordon tv show!" Honestly, there are fan films(of any genre) out there that are better than the garbage we were treated to tonight.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Staying awake

    by jfp2007

    If you can't stay awake during a movie then you obviously need to get some sleep. There's no excuse for falling asleep during any movie.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 6:05 a.m. CST

    It made Buck Rogers look like Shakespeare

    by Gorrister

    I can't believe they've already ordered 22 episodes of this show. Just when you think SciFi Channel can't get any more sloppy, they pull something like this. On a side note, glad to see I'm not the only person out there who remembers the old Steven Collin's show 'Tales of the Gold Monkey'. :)

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Wow!! Did that SUCK!!

    by Koegh6

    <p>Crappy plot...check</p> <p>Horrid dialog...check</p> <P>Lousy costumes and sets...check</p> Why, SciFi, why???

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Bryan Singer's Flash Gordon

    by Kenny8

    This gives you that "this is Superman/Flash Gordon?" feeling. Again, you only seem to need to buy the name, then you can do what you like. I do wish I came here BEFORE I hit this torrent.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 7:39 a.m. CST


    by Curious_Jorge

    No point in repeating what EVERYONE is saying, except that it truly sucked. I mean, MING THE MERCILESS was onscreen for FIVE MINUTES before you realized who he was. Not exactly the evil, maniacal, supreme dictator of the universe... rather, he looked like he just came from taping a Three's Company remake with his feathered 70's hairdoo. Special effects budget? Hello? Killer alien running loose in the bowling alley and the supermarket? I forced myself to watch all 90 minutes, and I'm not sure why.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 7:50 a.m. CST

    That chick on "Tales of the Gold Monkey" was fuckin HOT

    by The Ape Giggins


  • Aug. 11, 2007, 8:25 a.m. CST


    by Hint of Smegma

    .......Of course there's plenty of material 'taken seriously' that ended up being crap but then most of what ends up onscreen, silver or otherwise have to take the good where you can get it. The thing is though is that you can take material seriously and still make it fun - look at the love and blood, sweat and tears that went into the 1980 Flash Gordon. Not a serious movie by any notion, but they knew the source material inside and out, they showed that and they also put that love of it onscreen. Campy it may have been, but it was FLASH GORDON to a tee. This tv show is an exercise in banality from start to finish, from hiring people completely unfit for the roles to the lack of investment financially in the show. SciFi have shown they can produce greatness when they want to, and when their financial and creative investment is sufficient to allow it - BSG is perfect evidence. As BSG is ending soon, they could have made Flash Gordon their tentpole series to carry on, but instead they've sunk it with their poor decisions and lack of respect for the material, material which a great many people love - the original BSG had less fans that the Flash Gordon mythos if you take the serials, '50's show and movie all told, yet they gave that legs and not only surprised long time fans with something amazing but created a show non fans of the Larson era could love. They could have done that here but they pissed it away and that is a damn shame. I've loved the Flash Gordon material since I was a child, grew up reading the trashy pulp novels, loved the serials when they were re-run on early Saturday morning British tv, adored the film. I was certainly wiling to give a new incarnation a go, but this show is a big 'fuck you' from the execs at SciFi who think that they can put any old shite on and we'll lap it up. (Stargate SG1 and Atlantis fans, thanks very much.) Flash Gordon deserved better for a live action return. Fuck you, SciFi. Here's praying that Joe Johnston see's sense and decides to make a big screen adaption. He knocked Rocketeer out of the park, his love for that was all over the screen and that film was beautiful from start to finish in every single aspect, insert filthy comment here, and he could bring the real Flash back to us. After BSG ends, SciFi can lick my balls before I tune in their channel again.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    And yeah, if you missed it..

    by Hint of Smegma

    ..I am pissed off indeed about this one. Don't normally get so fed up about show's being less than expected, but this was FLASH GORDON for fucks sake. It takes a monumental amount of stupidity to fuck it up. BASTARDS!!

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Never let it be said I didn't read the reviews

    by freerangecelt

    but I watched this steaming pile of crap anyway. Well, most of it. By 10pm we changed the channel, preferring Yvette Fielding screaming obscenities at non-existent ghosts to the wooden "acting" of Flash Gordon. We lost Dresden for this?

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Should have made my version

    by Vadakin

    I was planning 2 Flash Gordon movies..the first would have been about arkov finding a rift in space that's actually a gateway to a world on the other side of the galaxy - Mongo. He goes to investigate IN A DAMN SPACESHIP with Flash and Dale, they get sucked through and end up on Mongo, where they of course have adventures with the locals, are hunted by Ming and discover that the rift was created by Ming to allow his warships through to invade Earth. The central plot of the film would have been Flash and Dale trying to find a way back to warn the Earth. <p> In the second film, Flash and Dale have warned the Earth, but nobody believes them and of course Ming arrives and takes over without much effort. Flash and Dale then have to try to get back to Mongo and convince the enslaved beings who they encountered in the first film to stand together and rise up against Ming. <p> It would have been sci-fi/fantasy at its best. A fun action adventure with epic qualities... <p> But no...hollywood just had to not know that I even exist :P

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Zarkov not Arkov

    by Vadakin

    Need edit button now

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Why print blurbs for other critics? Write your own.

    by Bronx Cheer


  • Aug. 11, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    While Farscape is cancelled... makes sense!

    by Judge Briggs

    Like Charmed getting 90 seasons while Angel only 5. Sensible decision making!

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 9:42 a.m. CST

    ha ha ha hammer...

    by palewook

    she's a miracle. savior of the channel..... seriously what a pos that show was last night.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Flash Gordon 2007....WTF!?!?

    by wsr88d

    I was somewhat anticipating the pilot last night...hell nothing else was on. All I can say is I had more entertainment with a late night movement than watching that. Sci-Fi cancelled Stargate SG-1 and not opted for "Caprica" over this P.O.S.??? Sci-Fi is in serious trouble....

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 9:57 a.m. CST

    What next........?

    by wsr88d

    Adding to my previous comments... Sci-Fi channel is really fucking up bad here with nonsense shows, retarded as "D" movies and pointless programming. If they decide to touch Buck Rogers...someone over there is going to get their ass handed to them something fierce!!!!!!!!

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 10:26 a.m. CST

    I think I just threw up a little in my mouth..

    by Xpublius

    I couldn't pay attention to that hideous piece of crap all the way through. Sci-Fi really screwed this up. A new Flash Gordon could have been great. They could have gone a completely different direction from BSG (which I love) and instead of being dark and serious, could have made this fun,campy, and adventurous. It would have been a great counterpoint. Instead, it's just...forgettable. And that's about the worst thing you can say. Does anyboy know about the background of the execs at Sci-Fi? I get the impression that they don't have anybody on the payroll who actually LIKES science fiction. Just bland TV execs tying to make a buck, but without knowing their product or their market.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Well, duh, Xpublious.

    by Hint of Smegma

    Other than that I think you're right. Obviously the chimpanzee's they hired to reimagine this had no handle on the material at all. If this was a dictatorship and I was in charge, there'd be heads rolling, literally, at the SciFi channel today. But I'm not, so there won't be, and isn't that a shame? The descent into Idiocracy continues unabated, sweeties.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    So bad that some backlashers will say it's great

    by Drath

    Because Contrarians love to side against a majority, and this is a landslide on the "sucks worse than Mega Maid" category. Terrible.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    ive got shitty tvrips of Tales Of The Gold Monkey-

    by tristeele

    and still watch them once in awhile. Anyway- This show blows dog. Im watching the pilot now and can't believe that they can't get their shows right. They completely ruined Dresden Files- sucking the fun right out of the show and as others have said put in the formula crap. Mystery of the week shit that noone gave a fuck about. The books are just awesome. They should have taken 4-5 eps and made book 1. Then start book 2. After a few books had been filmed they could have gone with some new ideas. It sucks how bad they ruined it. Im glad its gone. As for Flash - I really had no hopes for it either. To me the definitive version is the 1981 animated series. To anyone wanting to see this idea done right- go buy the dvd set. Unfortunately it doesn't contain the awesome 2 hour pilot "Flash Gordon - The Greatest Adventure Of All" but its still a great dvdset. The one show on scifi I can't miss and am very happy they brought back is Eureka. I waited to watch season1 thinking it would get canned. Gave it a shot upon renewal and now love it. Now it will probably get canceled. Fuck you to scifi.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Meaning Flash blows dog- not T.O.T.G.M.

    by tristeele

    and here is the daily "GIVE US AN EDIT FUNCTION FUCKERS!"

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    ManSquito: The Series

    by NHRonin

    Would have been infinitely better than this crap. The execs at Sci-Fi need to be fired for greenlighting this turd.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Watched about 20 minutes

    by skydemon

    Wandered off to the kitchen for snackage, let the dog out, played with the dog a while, got on the computer, totally forgot about Flash Gordon being on. Guess that says it all.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    can you smell what the scifi channel is cooking

    by palewook

    wrestling, bad movies, and reality tv. crap.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    My eyes are bleeding...

    by Billyeveryteen

    I can't unwatch this piece of shit!! Like I couldn't unwatch Highlander 2.<p>Goodbye Flash Smallvile.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    I smell poop

    by Bronx Cheer

    Do you smell poop?

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Curious Jorge, does Ming also drink SLUSHOS, too?

    by Pennsy


  • Aug. 11, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Next week on Who Wants to Be a Superhero

    by INWOsuxRED

    the heroes must sit through the entire Flash Gordon pilot. Last one to fall asleep and/or vomit wins the competition.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST


    by new alien

    I did watch the whole pilot, and wow amazing! Amazing how bored I was! Damn if this version of FLASH GORDON survives I will be shocked. So many of the other talkbacks here seem to get it. Funny I thought the same about the Zarkov character, he does look like someone from TO CATCH A PREDATOR. Wait NBC and SCIFI are connected.;) What a frickin lame ass Ming also. The biggest crime of this show was that it was damn boring! It took forever to really get going and it was let's pop over to Mongo then pop back to Earth. Oh boy I am so excited about this story so far.;)You don't have to be campy, but at least have some fun, exotic adventure, and a bit of retro scifi craziness. Which is what FLASH GORDON is all about. How do some of these writer/producers get ahold of some of these properties and then rip the heart and soul right out of them? I just don't get it at all!!! Somewhere out there the sad thing is there may be some writer/creator/producer/etc. that would really have the vision to create a cool FLASH GORDON show and they will not get the chance. Okay to be fair to the show maybe I was attempt to watch one more show. The previews though tell me that good luck enjoying any of it. Oh yes welcome to the 21st century were in FLASH GORDON INO you get a muscle car/truck chase instead of a rocket ship chase. Bring back the 30/40s FLASH GORDON it had more fun than this!

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST


    by new alien

    I just had more fun watching the SUPERFRIENDS ad at the top of this talkback than the new FLASH GORDON pilot.;) Sad...So when does someone of vision get a hold of the SCIFI channel?

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Sci-Fi network has always been 95% shit. Lexx anyone?

    by Horseflesh

    Worst goddamn show in the history of the fucking GENRE. <br> <br> It's only the rare occasion when we get a Farscape or a Galactica, something with some soul to it. Every time one of their shows DOESN'T suck out loud I'm shocked.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST


    by mrmgp

    Man, was this boring as hell. Fucking lifeless production. I'll just stick with my Filmation Flash Gordon DVDs, and maybe, if I'm in the mood for high camp, catch the 1980 movie on TV whenever it's on.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Last night's debut screamed "SciFi Saturday Movie"

    by Darth_Gonz

    I felt like I was watching an Uwe Boll made-for-tv movie. Jesus tapdancing Christ, that was some awful shit.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    And what the hell is with Ming?

    by Darth_Gonz

    Last I looked, he was an asian gentleman with a fu manchu beard, not a blonde white guy. Fuck you, SciFi Channel.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Yes, I know about Sydow, shuttlepod...

    by Darth_Gonz

    But the makeup made him appear otherwise. Case in point:

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by Darth_Gonz

    ...I don't know many blonde white guys with Dr. Daniel Jackson haircuts named Ming the Merciless.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    From the jerks who brought you GINO

    by drmidnite

    Here comes FGINO. I'll stick with my Filmation DVD and seven volumes of the original Alex Raymond Flash thank you very much.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Is John Ralston supposed to be Ming, or ...

    by Boris Baddenov

    Is he supposed to be Nicolae Carpathia from the LEFT BEHIND movies? Just cast a strapping REAL Asian as Ming, give him blue contact lenses, and alter his skin tone to a mild blue-green. There; an appropriate Ming with (I hope) nobody insisting it's "Politically Incorrect"!

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    More like "Flash Gordon has a beer with SMALLVILLE and

    by Otter


  • Aug. 11, 2007, 6:28 p.m. CST


    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...that was special. There's always a certain horror when you sit down to watch something knowing it will be bad, knowing that you probably won't like it, with extremely low expectations, and it still shocks you with how bad it is. You know, I sat down with the same attitude to watch the BSG mini and, benefiting in part, no doubt, from my low expectations, was quite entertained. I mean they invented low expectations so things could exceed them. That's why they call them low expectations.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    And okay, I never really...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...identified Ming as a terrestrial Asian, most certainly not as played by Max Von Sydow. But fine, let's say Asian. There are evil Asians. Hell, there are evil eighty year old grandmothers who work as candy stripers in hospitals. It would harm no one to have this particular villain be an evil alien who makes you think of Asians. But being Asian doesn't seem to me to be the important element about Ming. You know what is? Being the incarnation of autocratic, authoritarian evil, setting group against group so that the most any of his thralls ever manage to hope for is to better their position in his esteem. Make him Swedish and dress him in Lederhosen, but don't lose THAT. And they did. Craptastic.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    I think...

    by Red43jes

    ...that a lot of you (not all) are sheep. It wasn't the best thing I had ever seen, BUT it wasn't bad. I thought it had promise. Most of you (again) are going on reports from a newspaper clown that probably DOESN'T even like Sci-Fi. If you watched it and hated it-no sweat. At least you gave it a chance. Guys, some of ya just DON'T think for yourselves, and furthermore, I feel embarrassed for some of you when you wish we were back in the 70's, watching people wear spandex and shimmery clothing. GET OVER IT!!! Remakes suck? Sometimes, I say. Sometimes, the stuff we thought was soooo great in the seventies SUCKED. Thank gawd for someone like Ron Moore re-imagining BSG. If done RIGHT, re-imagining can be cool. Mr. Moore PROVED that (although I agree that last season of BSG wasn't quite as good as seasons 1 and 2). Its only TV kids...

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Red43jes...all I read was hypocritical baa-ing

    by Hint of Smegma

    ...from your post there. Believe it or not my teeny little pal, it's possible to like movies/TV shows that were made before 1998. You know, some of them were even good.....unlike this shite. I did see it. It was worse than expected and going in, despite the awful previews I was hoping it would turn out good didn't. Quite the opposite. Bad doesn't even come close to describing this utterly awful show. Bad does, however, obviously describe your taste.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST


    by redshirt

    Don't care how he looks, his last name is "The Merciless", not "The Jerk". In his first scene, some chick is yelling at him and telling him he better give up some water. What does he do? Blast her into oblivion? No, gives in publically, then whispers some instructions about retribution. Ming is a tyrannical dictator commanding huge armies, not some conniving CEO of the water works company. Give us Ming The Merciless! Also, did Zarkov ever actually introduce himself? Noone ever asked him his name. That's just rude!

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 9:28 p.m. CST

    The Throne Roon

    by jthere

    The depths of how bad this foul thing is can be summarized by the throne room scene: The emperor of a dozen planets rules from a hotel manager's office? What is this shit? When Flash and Dale enter, they act like guests complaining about the plumbing to a guy dressed as the doorman. God, what I wouldn't give for the imperious and nasty Charles Middleton and huge throne room.<br> <br> A lot of people here are incorrect in referring to the '30s serial as being "camp," including the idiots producing this new version. It wasn't when it was released. Audiences took it seriously; the small budget and primitive special effects are matters only seen in hindsight. Lord, I hope this gets canceled quickly.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Expect to see the Flash Gordon sets again

    by Gorrister

    They are sharing their sets with the "Tin Man" series that will 're-imagine' the Wizard of Oz. (anyone else think SciFi got sick of earning Emmy nominations?)

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST

    I'd rather be subjected to the Bore Worms...

    by PervOmatic

    than watch shit again. Yeah, it totally fucking sucked.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Oh. So this is where Tom Cruise's WOTW jacket went to

    by half vader


  • Aug. 11, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    God that was awful...

    by Bones

    Man...that was like an even lower-budget Stargate SG1 without any interesting characters... <p> When will people realize that Flash Gordon is about SPECTACLE. The comic was a fusion of eras, mythos and influence, with only a wisp of plot to hold the cliffhangers together. A Modern Flash Gordon should almost be like ALIAS--with a small cliffhanger every commercial break and a big one at the end of every episode. Flash Gordon should be about action and fun -- like the much maligned movie that (outside the absences of giant beasts like the comic) was very much in the spirit of the comic and the old movie serial. The sad thing is any new movie will die because this is an abortion of a show--not that the concept is flawed.<p> Sigh.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST

    It takes a rare skill...

    by Veraxus

    to fuck up something as badly as SciFi fucked up Flash Gordon. First, I fell asleep. Then this morning I tried to watch the Tivo recording, and found myself hitting the 30-second skip button for everything BUT the commercials. Eventually, some dorky white guy said "Hi, my name is Ming"... and I hit the red button as fast as I could get three thumbs down before deleting it and the season pass. This shit is eye-bleedingly, mind-numbingly, balls-shrivelingly, Uwe-Boll-level aweful. The SciFi exec that greenlit this series, then allowed the pilot to air deserves to be strung up and beaten like pinata.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Sci-Fi Web Forums

    by KippWade

    Someone has actually put a post/poll up to have the show Canceled. I expect it to be "Moderated" soon...

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Nothin but Muttin...

    by Cougar Hunter

    I'm not really an avid poster, I like to read them mostly. Anyway, I agree with scrivener on this one. First I couldn't get through it on Friday night and fell asleep. I watched some more of it while folding my damn laundry on Sat and couldn't finish it. I now have to go and finish it so I can get to the good shit aka Dr. Who which is Sci Fi channels saving grace right now IMO. Previously, I only could get through 2 eps of Pk Jane. What a fucking mess. Even the hotness of what's her name couldn't get me to continue watching it. I've heard they canceled DFiles.. I thought it was pretty entertaining. Much better than PKJ or this turd.

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 12:38 a.m. CST

    and of course...

    by Cougar Hunter

    what a shame pumping me up with a semi decent remake of Flash theme by that Louis XIV group. If only they could have had it playing the whole time I could at least been rocking out or something.

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 1:58 a.m. CST

    why did they have to run the 80s movie in HD

    by INWOsuxRED

    against ABC's sci-fi show staring John Locke, also in HD? Damned bastards.

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 2:03 a.m. CST


    by slkboxrman

    just watched it this morning , and yes it sucks balls...bad acting, bad special effects, no rythm to the story at all.... again ill repeat, dresden files was an awesome show. and to say it wasnt very good, just like supernatural is pure stupidity...supernatural is an awesome show, getting better each not recognize that , to me, just means whoever said that earlier never watched the show or was too busy drawing conclusions and comparisons, critiquing dialogue and special effects, instead of enjoying the show...and to the FOOL who said that stargate is done on the cheap, stfu, stargate and atlantis have some of the best special effects done on TV ever... and the writing has been amazing.... and dont mention that travesty "dr. who" it does not come close, never came close to being a great show, except to those that actually care..and its not that many... but back to flash, if sci-fi cancelled dresden to put on flash, then they are all a bunch of morons, i think its better to keep an intelligent audience than to put on a show that will have both men and women rubbing their respective crotches watching it. thats all i have to say

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Marduk's line made me spit out my milk!

    by Penetron

    Marduk Aug 10th, 2007 12:38:49 PM Sure is funny to see SciFi use a full day marathon of Firefly to shill this piece of shit. And by 'funny' I mean 'Jesus wept'.

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Yeah it sucked....

    by Dazzler69

    but maybe they can improve it before...nah cancel it! No theme song in the whole show either. They dropped the ball on that one.

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    I would rather a show look stylized "cheap"

    by INWOsuxRED

    than shot in the woods of Vancouver like every other show on TV. Just rent a small warehouse, hire a bunch of no-name animators and do it all in front of blue/green screens and see what happens. No sets, not location filming(except for the first 15 minutes or whatever where they are on Earth). At least if that sucked it would have been a noble failure, this is an insulting failure.

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    80's Movie vs. 80's Animated Series

    by DS9Sisko

    Am I the ONLY person here who saw the far superior NBC version of "The Animated Adventures of Flash Gordon" back in 1979 (and now out on DVD; check Amazon)???....Personally, I have never understood the sudden "love" for the atrocious 1980 Sam Jones "Flash Gordon" movie and that awful Queen theme. As a piece of campy nostalgia -- like "Dynasty" or some crapola like "The Powers of Matthew Starr" -- I get the fondness for it. But the way some people are carrying on, you'd think the 80's version was a camp masterpeice as opposed to a leaf you wipe your ass with while camping. Now, before I get lambasted, let me point out that I saw the animated version prior to the relase of the 1980 movie and in terms of writing, tone, and characterization, it's damn near perfect (despite the overuse of some shots due to budget constraints). Flash is gung-ho and smart, swashbuckling with a sense of humor; Dale is beautiful and daring; Aura is a pure sexpot; Zarkov is a dignified scientist; and Ming is fucking Merciless. And there were rocket ships, fights, evil plans, exotic races, melodramatic love triangles, and even hints of lesbianic activity! comparison, the 80's movie (which shares many of the plot elements of the earlier cartoon) was a cinematic dingleberry and this new Sci Fi version is the equivalent of an overrun toilet in an Albuquerque homeless shelter....If you really love Flash Gordon and want to see it done right, check out the 1979 animated version.

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    80's Movie vs. 80's Animated Series

    by DS9Sisko

    Am I the ONLY person here who saw the far superior NBC version of "The Animated Adventures of Flash Gordon" back in 1979 (and now out on DVD; check Amazon)???....Personally, I have never understood the sudden "love" for the atrocious 1980 Sam Jones "Flash Gordon" movie and that awful Queen theme. As a piece of campy nostalgia -- like "Dynasty" or some crapola like "The Powers of Matthew Starr" -- I get the fondness for it. But the way some people are carrying on, you'd think the 80's version was a camp masterpeice as opposed to a leaf you wipe your ass with while camping. Now, before I get lambasted, let me point out that I saw the animated version prior to the relase of the 1980 movie and in terms of writing, tone, and characterization, it's damn near perfect (despite the overuse of some shots due to budget constraints). Flash is gung-ho and smart, swashbuckling with a sense of humor; Dale is beautiful and daring; Aura is a pure sexpot; Zarkov is a dignified scientist; and Ming is fucking Merciless. And there were rocket ships, fights, evil plans, exotic races, melodramatic love triangles, and even hints of lesbianic activity! comparison, the 80's movie (which shares many of the plot elements of the earlier cartoon) was a cinematic dingleberry and this new Sci Fi version is the equivalent of an overrun toilet in an Albuquerque homeless shelter....If you really love Flash Gordon and want to see it done right, check out the 1979 animated version.

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    So, the despot of Mongo is MING, but ...

    by Boris Baddenov

    He looks like David Spade wearing a military-academy uniform! WTF???

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    When will SciFi channel remake SMALL WONDER?

    by My Ass Smells


  • Aug. 12, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST


    by Kree42

    So it was bad because? Come on children give us a true reveiw ,not it sucks, it was bad ,a jacket went here to die ,give it some thought.

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Flash REEKS, yet they cancel the Dresden Files??!!

    by Zarina

    I have to ask: How can Sci-Fi Channel justify airing THIS and renewing Painkiller Jane (both deplorable shows) & Wrestling (SO not SF) yet have so far not renewed one of the FEW shows that they got EXACTLY right!! Sci-Fi has the PERFECT show for the year of Potter Fever - their very own ADULT WIZARD!! Harry Potter fans, mystery fans, & sci-fi fans have fallen in love with wizard-for-hire - Harry Dresden! The Dresden Files debuted in January this year, is exceptionally well-written, superbly acted & directed, there's excellent character chemistry, and get this - original stories!! This series is an absolute JOY to watch So what does Sci-Fi Channel do with their little golden-egg-laying goose??! They don't renew it. That's right - they LET IT DIE (apparently something about the demographic being too old (30+) and female – weird, considering SF is run by Bonnie Hammer who is in that same demographic…). So much for brilliance... I wonder what they're thinking NOW because the Dresden Files hasn't been on since APRIL, hasn't had ANY re-runs, NO advertising, NOTHING - and the DVD's are STILL 30th in OVERALL DVD Sales at Amazon, & 7th at Barnes & Noble (8/11) !! You know what that SAYS?? It says that people, viewers, CUSTOMERS realize this is a QUALITY show and are willing to spend money so they can see more of it!! We fans have been campaigning since April with NO response, but we're stepping it up with a NEW HOME 4 DRESDEN PETITION at: which currently has over 770 signatures & comments! We've also launched a new initiative to prove to series producer Lionsgate that the Dresden Files is a money-maker: the "WIN HARRY" RAFFLE running from 8/8/07 through 9/8/07 to help support the campaign & for a chance at winning the complete Season One 3-DVD set of The Dresden Files So don't count us fans (many of us in that scorned demographic) out yet! We're just about to get serious.

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Dear Bonnie Hammer: You're fucking useless

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Dear Bonnie Hammer (and to your co-workers at Sci Fi): Why the head honchos at corporate parent GE don't bounce your asses immediately for being utterly incompetent, lacking in taste, and for being unable to make Sci Fi Channel a perpetual ratings and award winner (given how truly large the genre audience is out here that's looking for product to get behind) is truly unbelievable. Just mind-numbingly staggering. Seriously, Ms. Hammer (and company), how you shit for brains draw a weekly salary -- a large one I'm sure, which only makes it more painful -- is truly a testament to the phrase "There is no justice in life" since you're all absolutely, positively, 100%, FUCKING CLUELESS AND USELESS IN YOUR JOBS.<P>I can't even believe this piece of shit made it to air. How a "re-imaginging" concept that was this vomit inducing got bought as a someone actually got paid to write such a cringe inducing someone got paid for directing this SO bland, SO hack-like -- I mean, actually worse than any single Talkbacker here could have done with their eyes closed, who likely doesn't even have any prior film experience -- is stunning. Oh, and good job with the editing! I love that Dr. Zarkov was NEVER ONCE actually introduced...NEVER ONCE had his name spoken...till late in the pilot when Flash was running across the street and says "There's Zarkov's RV!" But, hey, I guess its SciFi so they all knew each other's name by telepathy.<p>But worst of all, the fact that once this shitfest was cut together, how you didn't sit in a screening room and say "Wow! Does THIS suck ass! We seriously have to fix this before it airs!" only shows even more how clueless and useless both you and the staff at Sci Fi are.<p>Then again, I can't even believe there is one or two people here actually trying to defend this shit. Have any of morons actually READ or SEEN the original Alex Raymond comic strips? For crying out loud, every aspect of them is superb. To this day, all these decades later, you'd STILL be hard pressed to find better comic art -- not to mention the self-contained universe that Raymond created was so grand, so sweeping, so romantic, that it was the PERFECT template for a Sci Fi TV series...well, that is if someone actually gave a damn about actually DOING the REAL Flash Gordon and bringing it to life. Anyone saying "Oh, it wasn't THAT bad" must have an IQ of 12 or truly...I mean TRULY...personifies the notion of a geek who will eat any shit handed to them and eat it with a smile on their face.<p>Normally I'd say this thing sucked worse then the sleeziest, haggiest, skankiest, back alley whore you could hire for a quick blow job...<p>...But that would actually be an insult to the lowliest whore in the world.<p>Wow...I mean just WOW. To say this was utterly a 5 star CRAPTACULAR production would be the understatement of the year. Once and for all, Bonnie Hammer and her staff should be flushed as fast as this turd will be cancelled...

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST


    by mrmgp

    You're not the only person who feels that the 1979 animated Flash Gordon series was hands-down better than the 1980 live action movie. I'd love to see a live action version of the Filmation series with parts of the animated pilot thrown in as well. This SciFi Channel version is actually worse than the 1980 movie. Fucking video Sominex.

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Lost Potential

    by Captain Atom

    I think "the hate" stems from the realization of what was lost here. this could have been a step back to the days of action, suspense, sexiness- well FUN that his been sucked out of this genre by hacks, who mistake soap opera melodrama for "seriousness". I do not have sudden love for the 1980 film, I have always loved it. It has more fun in it than all the SW prequels put together, and more sexiness than all of the Mad Max leather look clones that have passed for costumes in the last 25 years of sci-fi. I'll take spandex and sheer nylon any day of the week, thank you very much. Aside from a few way over-the-top scenes (football fight!), and the weak acting of Sam Jones, the movie is near perfect. The scene were War Rocket Ajax slips through the clouds to be confronted with a phalanx of hawkmen, all to the throb of Queen and kettle drums- the hacks at Sci-Fi couldn't capture that in million years of trying, cheap effects or not.

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    by new alien

    Very extreme dissappointment in what should of been a very cool and fun show! I have no hate at all in this situation. It doesn't change anything in life. It is just another misfire of an adapted property. I really wish that if looking over the scripts, concept art/designs/ etc. someone had said bye here is the door...;)Oh yes the Filmation FLASH GORDON back in 79/80 was very close to the source material amazingly enough. I had fun as a kid watching it. I imagine many kids that maybe saw this new FGINO were bored out of their worm filled brains. It would serve them better to read a collected FLASH GORDON comic from back in the day or run outside and play anyways.;)

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    "That was so bad I think it gave me cancer!"

    by willydevon

    To quote Calculon, whose acting would have been an improvement over anything in this shitpile. Good LORD, that was horrendous. Like, late 90s - early 2000s Sci Fi horrendous. Way to backslide, Sci Fi. Question: I know Whitney was bad on Smallville, but was he THIS bad? It honestly seemed like he didn't know how to use his arms at some points (see, all scenes with him "running"). Also for discussion: does this version of Flash Gordon constitute a war crime against humanity?

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 8:14 p.m. CST

    This shit is on dvd already!!!

    by Shermdawg

    I seen it in my Best Buy ad this mornin'! WTF?

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Yep, Sherm, it's out on Tuesday. With DELETED SCENES!

    by Pennsy

    Here's the scoop:

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 8:51 p.m. CST

    That DVD of the pilot ep is a Best Buy exclusive.

    by Pennsy

    So anybody wants to pick up this excrememt, er, achievement in television at Sam's Club, Walmart, Target, you're SOL, baybee!

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 8:54 p.m. CST

    NEW! BSG 'Razor' teaser #2 TV ad.

    by Pennsy

    20 seconds of 'see, Flash Gordon crew and cast? THIS is how you do kickass sci-fi'. <p>

  • Aug. 12, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Open letter to SciFi re: Flash Gordon

    by geodesigns

    Open letter to Bonnie Hammer: (consider this a freebie creative consultation) In further inspection of the SciFi Channel’s Flash Gordon production, you need to revise this whole thing entirely. This is what you need to make Flash Gordon a winning production: 1) TAKE THE SHOW OFF THE SCHEDULE: Yes, Bonnie, stop this now, yank it off the schedule and re-work it. It may seem drastic, but that’s what NBC had to do in the 60’s after Star Trek TOS “The Cage”. It needed revisions based on initial audience reactions to the pilot episode. As a result, they made the Trek formula more popular with audiences. It’s not too late. Admit your mistakes and make us respect you more by starting over now. Sci Fi Channel’s Flash Gordon needs to stop and re-work this significantly. If you do not stop this now, the show will be cancelled due to low ratings. Marvel Entertainment’s Incredible Hulk movie is a redo, forgetting the Ang Lee wasted effort. So much money, so much hype for nothing. It’s going to happen with this version of Flash (which you approved) if you don’t redo it now. 2) REFERENCE ALEX RAYMOND AND THE SERIALS. You cannot have a cowboy story without 10 gallon hats, six-gun revolvers, horses and a high noon shootout to save the town & the hero’s girl: a cowboy story has to have the look and feel of a cowboy story. In another example, you cannot have Superman without the “S” symbol. With Flash Gordon, your new series is missing the point. It not only has to feel like a sci-fi show, it also has to be evocative of comic book artist Alex Raymond’s vision, as well as the classic Buster Crabbe serials. Certain creative criteria must be made by the show’s executive producers and producers before arbitrarily deeming a “modernized” approach in updating Flash Gordon for 21st century TV audiences. Granted, Mr. Raymond was not privy to scientific principles known today, but Flash Gordon was more “fantasy”, like Star Wars, than something heavy on the explanation of science like Star Trek. Mr. Raymond treated this like fantasy, the serials treated this like fantasy, and that made their vision even more fun to watch. Make the spaceships an homage to the retro spaceships, but add some modernization, not vice versa. Make a Flash Gordon ray gun look like a Flash Gordon ray gun. Don’t just make it look like some generic sci-fi ray gun. When it comes to Flash Gordon you must think retro. 3) INCORPORATE THE QUEEN FLASH GORDON THEME. Like John Williams’ Superman main title march, this song by Queen needs to be part of Flash Gordon from now on. Your new Flash Gordon series commercial mislead your viewers to believe you will put this as part of the series. It’s exiting, it’s exuberant, and a fan favorite. Please make this part of the saga. 4) IMPROVE THE EFFECTS AND PRODUCTION DESIGN. The show’s current look is boring and unimaginative. Much more can be achieved with less budget- hire and listen to your creative staff. When it comes to groundbreaking effects, it’s now hard to believe that the 30’s serials had the best effects possible at the time. Model spaceships on a string, sparingly used practical effects, borrowed sets, and limited costume budgets were the best that can be done for serials, but consider this: the audiences loved it. That was the best effects of their time. The new Flash Gordon series is not showing the best effects of our time. You want today’s audience to love Flash Gordon the way 30’s audiences loved the serials. To 30’s audiences, they shared a suspension of disbelief for the sake of enjoying fantasy. Today, audiences are much more sophisticated, and are expecting Flash Gordon as a lasting brand, given the longevity of the property, and appearing in a number of incarnations. Use the evocative production design and infuse it with effects work, use all the tools in the book, a step beyond bluescreen/greenscreen, bullet time, motion capture, digital cameras, 3D, etc. Go one step beyond. This can be one of the show lasting contributions to cinematography. Look at Sky Captain and how it was evocative to the serials. Look at 300, and how they made the move evocative to the graphic novel. The Matrix had groundbreaking effects, such as the now ubiquitous “bullet” time, in addition to the “coolness” of this new universe introduced to audiences. Neo was the underdog against the computers. Flash is the underdog against Ming. There’s no reason you can’t aim to contribute in the improvement of visual effects with the new Flash Gordon series. It’s classic hero vs. villain. Make a great visual contribution of this classic conflict. It’s not a requirement, yet it is to be expected. If not, this is just another quick hack job. As far as the sets go, look at how Star Wars used a mix between limited actual sets, green screen, 3D and model work. Improve the costumes, props, gadgets, locations and spaceships. Again, think retro with cutting edge graphics. 5) PACKAGE DVD’S FOR THE FANS. Include actor and director commentaries, (not 2nd unit director, or assistant to the assistant sound engineer commentary- please!), multiple angles, History of Flash Gordon- from the 30’s to 2007, Alex Raymond Bio. Raymond’s Flash Gordon Sunday comics, a new comic book by today’s creators, A Buster Crabbe Serial Episode, printed Alex Ross illustrations inside the DVD box. Please listen to the fans. Offering anything less than the points stated above is, quite frankly, insulting your fan base’s intelligence. Bonnie, appease the fans, win the audience, and earn the respect.

  • Aug. 13, 2007, 1:42 a.m. CST

    One more thing

    by geodesigns

    Bonnie: The cast of 2007 Flash Gordon-- They seem decent; give them a chance to work with better script material. Ease off on the campy forced attempt at fun. Look for character driven humor within the adventure story. Flash cast--you guys are all right- the production is what sucks. On another note, the 1980 movie: even though the script was campy-- the costumes, locations, vehicles and gadgets were actually more true to Alex Raymond's vision than the 2007 TV series. Make the series with the visual grandeur attempted in 1980; only now you have the technology to make it awesome.

  • Aug. 13, 2007, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Bring Back MST3K!

    by Super Moo

    If SciFi hadn't canceled that show, this new Flash pilot woulda been a perfect movie for Mike and the bots to poke fun at. What a shame!

  • Aug. 13, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST bad, it was....awful.

    by Ninja Nerd

    I watched this Friday, turned it off, then tried it again on Sunday when it ran in HD on Universal HD. No joy. This is bland, tepid, weak, crapola at every level. No Queen and I honestly can't remember a note of what they used instead. (and since I'm in a working band and listen to EVERYTHING critically, this is almost impossible) I could go on the days about the insipid train wreck of a show, but I'll just point out ONE of the stupid things I noticed. When Flash, Dale, and the "Abbott" (Ming's daughter...who is apparently about 5 years younger than Dad) escaped from Mongo, both females were wearing similar red outfits, both are brunettes, and have similar builds. That was just criminally dumb. And that was far from the worst thing about this turkey. The cast ages were mostly wrong. Flash's "mom" was a MILF, but looked about 10 years older, not the 20 or so. Same thing with Ming...too young and nowhere near menacing and scary enough. FX? ZZZZZzzzz. Writing, acting, lighting...they got almost nothing right. I'm way forgiving of most science fiction (excepting Starship Troopers...all involved must STILL die, hopefully eaten by a bug) but this one gets no love ever, for any reason. And these idiots cancelled "The Dresden Files"???? Geez, if they had gone with the storylines in the Butcher novels, they would have had another "Buffy". Instead, they wimp out and produce crap like this. Shouldn't there be a law that the executives at Sci-Fi have to be actual geeks to hold a job there?

  • Aug. 13, 2007, 2 p.m. CST

    Fuck the Queen "Flash" Theme...

    by DS9Sisko

    always has been and always will be a horrid mess. This opening captures the true essence of Flash Gordon:

  • Aug. 13, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Ming would be proud Sisko

    by Captain Atom

    Fans of two superior versions of FG battling each other while that fucking travesty gets on the air.

  • Aug. 13, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Cap'n Atom

    by DS9Sisko

    Your point is well taken, but I absolutely hated the 80's movie. I'm clearly in the minority here, but that's just the way it is.

  • Aug. 13, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Hey Ninja

    by half vader

    Did you see my questions in the John Wayne thread, or did I really overstep the line?

  • Aug. 13, 2007, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Gordon's alive?! My review

    by Captain Atom

    No, no he is not, I'm afraid. He's DOA. So I watched this thing called 'Flash Gordon' on the Bonnie Hammer channel. I'm using air quotation marks around that, because I'm having trouble seeing anything remotely resembling Flash Gordon in this production. Let me throw my bias out there. I love old stuff, particularly 30s and 40s pulp. I love the old serials, rockets on strings and all, because they are fun. I give lots of credit to the old-timers because they built the foundation that modern sci-fi is built on. I love the 1980 Flash Gordon, it's fun, sexy, yeah over the top- but did I mention it's FUN? And the set and costume design are very faithful to the original Alex Raymond comic strip art, which quite frankly, holds up very well and is better than quite a bit of the comic book art out there today. But all this aside- Flash Gordon is the epic story of a stand-up guy stuck on Planet Mongo with a chick he just met, and the brilliant scientist who semi-kidnapped him there in the first place. Along the way, there are giant monsters, sword fights, cliffhangers, and a planet-wide rebellion that Flash organizes against the despotic emperor Ming, because, well, Flash is a stand-up guy. Flash has sort of an early Moonlighting unrequited relationship with Dale Arden, partly because every Princess and Queen of Mongo wants to sex him up. Oh yeah, and rocket ships- lots and lots of rocket ships. Which leads us directly to our new show, which I think I'll be calling Sliders vs Smallville. No, that would be an insult to two entertaining programs. How about Stargate 90210? I think I'll just call it "this show". So Flash is this guy running in the local YMCA 10k run, and his mom is sick, and his dad is dead, and blah blah blah- show was boring at this point already. Why does every hero have to have a Lifetime movie of the week backstory for motivation? Can't a guy just do some heroing because he thinks it's the right thing to do? Suffice to say there are no rockets, and they get to Mongo and back with sci-fi's 2nd greatest money saving invention (after filming in Vancouver using Canadian slave labor), the wormhole. Yes folks, not a rocket in sight! So the baddies send a robot over to terrorize the bowling alley (on League Night, the bastards!), and Flash and the Scooby gang investigate the mystery. Turns out Flash's old man built the wormhole technology, and maybe still alive on the other side. Flash uses the defeated robot's portal opener (I didn't mention them fighting the robot. Because it was lame.) And once on the weirdly alien Mongo (if you consider British Columbia filmed through a yellow lens "weirdly alien"), they encounter ruthless, cunning, Ming the Merciless! Or maybe he's the cranky housewares manager at Wal-Mart. I'm sure there was some PC reason for not making Ming a bald Asian guy. But making him a passive blond middle manager wearing a doorman's uniform just boggles the mind. This is supposed to be Ming the fucking Merciless, not Ming the slightly annoyed. Anyway, he holds court in the dimly lit lobby of a Rodeway Inn, and lets one of his followers off the hook in a situation where Charles Middleton or Max von Sydow would have blasted her to atoms, and laughed about it. So, there is some subplot about going to Imax movies or something, and Flash is rescued from being tortured (but not us), by the ball-shrivellingly unsexy Princess Aura. They hop back over to Earth (hello Stargate!), and find the showtimes for Imax were on Flash's watch the whole time! Aura goes back to Mongo, thinking the Imax watch is destroyed, and Flash is stuck on Earth with an inept bounty hunter broad that Ming sent in after Flash. Oh in all this, I forgot to mention Dr. Zarkov is some sort of young, creepy peeping-tom who travels around in Mentor's old Winnebago. No brilliant scientist here! Seriously, he just stands around and mumbles about red Swingline staplers and squirrels getting married. He invents a gun that doesn't work, and no one ever seems to think of getting, a you know, real gun to fight the bad guys. Even though it is established that 120 volt AC household current will kill the robot, which most humans could shrug off. This show would have sucked even it weren't called 'Flash Gordon', but slapping this dreck with that name is punch right in the crotch to anyone who knows anything about classic sci-fi. I've seen people defending this one here and there. "Give it chance, it was just the pilot". "I was unfamiliar with Flash Gordon, so I thought it was OK". "Who cares about a 70 year old show anyway"? Maybe you've never heard of Flash Gordon, or are unfamiliar with the basic concepts. If you call yourself a fan of sci-fi, then I'm calling you out, right now. You are a boob. The Raymond comic strips and the Buster Crabbe serials are the Shakespeare of modern space-fantasy. Everything out there is derivative of them. Star Wars in particular is almost 100% repackaged Flash Gordon. Lucas wanted to make Flash Gordon, couldn't get the rights, and the rest is history. Maybe you think the 1980 movie sucked, and that's OK, I can see that. But as I said before, there is alot more fun packaged into that film than the last 15 years of sci-fi put together. One other little thing- could the Air Force please run a humanitarian aid paradrop for the ladies of Hollywood? Every woman in this show needs a bucket of fried chicken and some apple pie. Remember when ladies had figures, and did not look 10 year old boys? Ah, those were the days. Bring back spandex, lame, and nylon, please. Every since the Seattle garage bands took over, costume designers have decided the future is all about grungy leather pants. It's not sexy, not at all. I loves me some Mad Max, but not every show needs to go that route. Give us back our Erin Grays and Ornella Mutis in tight shiny pants, it's all I ask. (On a side note, I have been watching the Buck Rogers box set with my 12 year old boy. He grew a mustache after the first episode.) So, let me sum up. No rockets, no epic adventure, no hot babes, no giant monsters, no swordplay= no Flash Gordon. If you just take it by itself- it still sucks. If you enjoyed this photo play in the least bit, please seek professional help.

  • Aug. 13, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Well said, Captain Atom

    by geodesigns

    You bring up some very good points. Bonnie Hammer, take note.

  • Aug. 14, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    No surprise

    by Movietool

    No body in Hollywood wants to admit to themselves the plainly obvious: The 1980 Mike Hodges Flash Gordon got it right. Flash Gordon is about high adventure, sexy space babes, flaming sword fights, and a bad-ass intergalactic emperor who chews scenery and laughs maniacally. So now we'll have to wait another 20 years before someone takes a crack at it - when really it's so simple. 1) Get a budget. You can't do Flash Gordon on the cheap. If you can't affort special effects, then move on. Make something you can afford to do right. 2)Cast for chemistry. The Dale-Flash-Zarkov triplet must sing. 3)Cut the trailer first. Make it look like the most exciting, outrageous collection of rocket ships, sword fights, half-naked amazons, alien planets, and alien creatures ever. 4) Write a script that fits the trailer. Keep it simple - all the motivation that Flash needs is that someone's in trouble. He's a hero because that's just what he is. DON'T DECONSTRUCT HIM - let him be a hero. See? easy.

  • Aug. 14, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    At least it went down in flames...Politicall Correct.

    by C.K. Lamoo

    Evil Oriental masterminds can sleep easy again.

  • Aug. 15, 2007, 6 a.m. CST


    by crazybubba

    SCI-FI Channel has been a disappointment to me since it's inception and yet I have not given up on it. It's had way more misses than hits. It's movies and most of its tv programs suck. Is it really that hard to come up with some decent scripts? This is sci-fi not brain surgery. The PainKiller Jane movie was a whole lot better than the tv show. What happened? The actors are milktoast and uninteresting. The fact that all of their enemies this season have telekinetic powers reveals how uncreative the writers are. Create at least one charasmatic arch-enemy worth watching. The Dresden Files was a great concept, but somehow they dropped the ball. The action was weak and just like most sci-fi shows so was the dialogue. Getting back to Flash Gordon. I love the old black and white episodes. If it aint broke don't fix it, JUST TWEAK IT A LITTLE. Ming the Merciless is an evil asian looking guy, not some blond haired, blue-eyed aryan reject. People seem to feel everything needs to be made edgy or more extreme. Nonsense! When are these arrogant, thick-headed execs gonna start learning from their mistakes.

  • Aug. 15, 2007, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Would someone please fire or kill Bonnie Hammer?!

    by DallasGoodbar

    She's singlehandedly destroying a genre by greenlighting this shit. To be frank, I didn't have as much faith in ther show judging that they changed the logo within weeks of the pilot episode. I really believe Universal (the parent company of Sci-Fi) is taking these properties and fucking them up on purpose! Think to yourself, would they have done this with the newly re-made Bionic Woman? No. The reason being one is more recent in everyone's memory and thus more valued than the other. There could have been great things to come of the new Flash series but I now realize that I should stop watching Sci-Fi and get back to reading about it instead.

  • Aug. 16, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    The Bonnie Hammer Wrestling & Other Shows Channel

    by geodesigns

    SCI-FI Channel's Bonnie Hammer has been there for a long time. It's obvious he's been there too long. Time for a change. She should resign instead of getting fired. It'll look better on her resume. To be fair, I hope we do hear substantiated accounts of the things she actually did to improve the SCI-FI channel, but as it is very apparent in this AICN Talkback, it is unforgivable to ruin a major fan-favorite property like Flash Gordon. We need a Programming exec that is a fan of the genre, not a fan of money; not a hack on automatic; we need a strong leader who respects the fans, not the numbers. We don't need the main show runner to be a bean counter who gets high on the Board room financial deals. We need a sci-fi visionary at the top whose record is reflective of genre involvement; someone who is a fan-favorite who won't sell us out. A strong show runner will not only have the backing of the genre fans, but the good buzz will spill over to the mainstream media. An example of crossover hits: Star Wars spilled over to the mainstream; so did Jurassic Park. The all-time top movies that people see are sci-fi, action and fantasy. I wish we had someone who has the top sci-fi, action and fantasy filmmakers on something called the Sci-Fi Channel Board of Advisors to keep that person real. Think of the top creative people, and put them on the Board, meet regularly and produce some really cool programming- TV shows and movies that the mainstream will take notice (new BSG is one recent miracle, thank god for RDM and crew). Don’t just have a Sci-Fi Channel message board service. This show runner should meet with the fans in person at the Cons, have a Q&A webcast. That's the kind of visionary we need, otherwise, that Saturn-like SCI-FI logo on your screen will disappear, and the Bonnie Hammer Wrestling & Other Shows icon will replace it. Her icon will be a hammer surrounded by cheap dollar bills. Your kids will one day ask, "Dad, what was the Sci-Fi channel?” Please don’t let that happen. Just look what’s happening. Firefly: CANCELLED. Farscape: CANCELLED. BSG: CANCELLED. Talk back to SCI-FI. If all those who love the genre make their grievance of the channel’s current direction known, they won’t be able to merely ignore us.

  • Aug. 16, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Ahmen, brother Rufus, Farscape was the bestFlash Gordon

    by CrichtonAstronut

    remake ever. Good American boy with some hero dad issues, gets stuck in a strage new world makes strange new friends and ticks off the galactic imperial powers that be. Only this Ming couldn't hold Scorpius's black leather jock. Wayne Pygram did better and creepier scene chewing than even Max Von Sydow's Ming. This versions Ming makes Braca look bad ass. Crichton was definitely more fun this Flash whose so wooden I keep waiting for the blue fairy to come throght the portal and turn him into a real boy. And who would want to see Dale Arden after meeting the radiant Aeryn Sun. And seriously: Charmed, Relic Hunter and South Beach? Did they actually see any of these shows before they hired him. No wonder this seemed stale from the start. Can't beleive asnything by Ron Moore, especially anything BSG related got scrapped for this Also Eureka is good and Dresden Files was just finding it's feet and getting really good. On the upside the third seasn of Doctr Who just keeps getting better. I officially love Martha Jones as the new companion. We all have our favorites and Martha Jones is quickly becoming mine. I loved Rose too, but Martha seems more in Sarah Jane Smith's league to me. Definitely like her family. They aren't just comic relief. And the whole tone of the series seems more confident now, and a bit more serious and edgy. It's not trying to be the new Doctor Who anymore, it just is. BTW anyone catch the "plus one" reference to "The End of the World" season 1. Anyway sorry to see Dresden go

  • July 30, 2008, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Good Riddance, FG 2007 - I spit on thee

    by Hint_of_Smegma

    This show was such an unmitigated disgrace of a show, a real slap in the face to all the fans of one of the oldest sci-fi franchises in memory. Flash Gordon was wildly successful as a strip, a radio serial, and spawned the most expensive and state of the art film serials of their day. The 1979 filmation cartoon is a cult hit, and the 1980 movie is beloved to many, many people. The idea of the producers to create a 'name only' show quite rightly failed. The casting was abysmal, the writing scarily awful, the respect for the original material non-existant. If only the people involved in this poisonous piece of excrement were never allowed to work again, the entertainment world would be a better place. Bonnie Hammer and Peter Hume are guilty of crimes against humanity for creating this show.

  • July 30, 2008, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Is it actually gone?

    by INWOsuxRED

    Thank goodness. The biggest accomplishment of this show was being made fun of on the Soup.