Quint trades some words with Clive Barker!!!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. It seems the art gods are smiling on me this year. In the span of 5 months I’ve had the pleasure of sitting down with some iconic authors. First, Stephen King back in February and now Clive Barker. I was always a King nut, but of the other popular horror authors (John Saul, Dean Koontz, Anne Rice, etc) of the time, the only one I took to at all was Barker. His worlds are twisted, his outlook bleak, his characters fucked beyond measure. You’ll notice in the below interview that he randomly invites me to his house. Trust me, it was as much a surprise to me as it is to you. I’ve actually seen a lot of his art on TV and online and I’d love to go get a closer view in person, so the invitation was very much appreciated. Hopefully I can make it work out with the next LA visit. Anyway, we talk about MIDNIGHT MEAT TRAIN. If you missed it, my con coverage of the trailer and footage shown can be read here! Enjoy the interview!
Clive Barker: So fire away.
Quint: Let’s go! I’ve read your novella and I really dug it. It goes to some really fucked up places and I was curious…
Clive Barker: You’re talking about THE MIDNIGHT MEAT TRAIN?
Quint: Yes, and so I was worried, well not worried, but I was questioning whether or not the film would go to the same lengths.
Clive Barker: And then you saw the trailer and you realized that it did.
Clive Baker: Yeah and trust me, you didn’t see anything like the places the movie goes. The trailer is a tease and that’s all it can ever be really, but the build, my God, the build of really nice performances and really lovely performances and then this descent into madness, which the character of Leon, who is an accountant in my original story, has become a photographer, which is actually a much better choice in the movie. It’s a better choice, because like Weegee… Are you familiar with Weegee?
Quint: Like the board?
Clive Barker: No, this is a photographer whose name was Weegee and Weegee was, if you google him, you will find some of the most profound and well-known images of New York are of his creation. And he’s an extraordinary power and I thought it was a great idea to turn this accountant, who was very hands off, into somebody who was investigating with his camera, you know?
Clive Barker: The feeling with his camera, going into the heart of the city…
Quint: So it’s more his fault when he finds what he’s looking for…
Clive Barker: Yes, but is it fault or is it simply destiny? Is it fault or fate, you know? Also faith, it’s just a couple of letters difference and you have a very different conclusion.
Quint: That’s cool, sounds like a change with a lot of motivation behind it.
Clive Barker: Well, I think it’s cool, because I think the kinds of narratives that work on the page are not always right for the screen and while I’m… there are times when it annoys me when narratives are arbitrarily changed for a movie. Most of the time and in the case of THE MIDNIGHT MEAT TRAIN, the changes aren’t arbitrary, they’re thought through. They are really about giving weight and meaning and class to the journey that this man is taking into the heart of darkness, to quote another famous journey. I actually hadn’t thought about that, but I suppose that’s what he really is doing. Maybe I thought about that at the beginning. Maybe I did think of that one when I first started to write it, but I haven’t thought of that in a long long time, but yeah.
Quint: Well [Ryuhei] Kitamura seems to be getting it. He has such a great style to his films and that was probably the thing that impressed me the most looking at those trailers, because I have seen some Asian filmmakers that have come over and their style will change to fit Hollywood…
Clive Barker: To accommodate, yeah…
Quint: Definitely, but it does feel like it could have been in his pre-Hollywood catalogue.
Clive Barker: And that’s what I like. He’s true to himself. Am I understanding you correctly?
Clive Barker: Yeah, I think he is definitely finding his way through the maze of… he has honed one hard style and the style which American audiences are most familiar with and American audiences are… we have to win them over and I think we have a good chance of doing that. I think it’s a wonderful piece of story telling.
Quint: And visually, I think we’re getting so used to that SAW type of filmmaking. They definitely have their place and they have their audience, but I think the horror audience especially is growing tired of it and they’re ready for a new kind of look.
Clive Barker: Yeah and well, I began this day talking about that very thing, about the fact that SAW and HOSTEL and a number of other smaller movies along the same lines are designed to appall. They’re atrocious in the proper sense of the word that is they describe atrocity and we are meant to be horrified, disgusted and it works. It works for me anyway, I mean at a certain point I feel as though I can only watch that up until a certain point and then I feel like “well now OK, I’ve watched this… I’ve watched all of these killings and so on, but what’s next? What happens now?” Not enough is the answer for me. I want more narrative complexity and I think that’s what we can give them in a picture. I think that we can definitely provide them with characters who are all taking very very strong arcs in their lives... They’re moving from a place of darkness and confusion into a place of more darkness and confusion.
Clive Barker: I think it’ll be powerful stuff.
[A representative asks for one last question]
Clive Barker: We’ll finish all of this, the rest, when you go to the house and you come and see the paintings and do all of that stuff. I want you to come and see the paintings.
Quint: Well, yeah I’d love to.
Clive Barker: Where do you…
Quint: I live in Austin, so that’s a little difficult, but I do make it out to LA quite often if that’s where you live.
[Mr. Barker talks with a representative about coordinating something]
Clive Barker: So how regularly?
Quint: Well, I’ll probably be out either sometime August or sometime September.
Clive Barker: Let’s try to make the August thing happen. And I will absolutely confess, I am weary today, but at least it’s giving you a starting place and when you see the paintings and when we get talking about that, there’s a whole other jumping off place. I’ll have Joe walk you around those 800 paintings, you know?
Quint: Well Moriarty has talked very highly of your art and…
Clive Barker: Oh really? That’s nice, I’m very fond of him. He’s a very cool guy, so one more question.
Quint: The Ain’t It Cool readers will kill me if I don’t bring up the HELLRAISER remake. Is that still going on?
Clive Barker: That’s a tough one, because the answer is I don’t know. I have waited for a long time to see somebody give me a clue. You know, “Are we doing this or are we not doing this?” “Is it happening or is it not happening?” Nobody seems to know and I’m not going to hold my breath while I wait, because it’s frustrating. I’m very lucky, I’ve got control over a lot of my artistic life. I’ve got control over my movies. I’ve got control over my books. I’m sorry, I don’t have control over my movies, but I do have control of my paintings and of my books. My movies… no… I don’t. I have, on a good day, a little bit of control. On a bad day I don’t really have any at all and I’m trying to figure out a way to make movies for myself that are cheap to make, so I don’t have to rely upon other people… I don’t have to rely upon other people’s funding and other people’s creative whims. I want to be able to make movies that are “heartbreakingly beautiful” and you will see what I mean by that and all of this should go in parentheses I think, this whole paragraph. You’ll see what I mean when you see the paintings, because there’s something… William Blake, who was a huge influence upon my life, said “make your own laws or be a slave to another man’s.” It’s like “write rule number one” and I have tried so hard to hold to that. “Make your own rules or be a slave to another man’s.” I’ve tried so hard to…
[There’s a strange noise]
Clive Barker: What is that noise?
Kraken: Sounds like there was an explosion downstairs.
Quint: It’s a geek stampede.
Clive Barker: Well, we will finish up in “The Barker Lair.”
Hope you guys liked it. If I end up going to the “Barker Lair” I’ll let you know, although how many horror stories start like that? Quirky cult writer invites unwitting fat journalist to a secluded home… cue monsters in the walls, paintings coming to life and me ending up in a loony bin hugging myself and talking to the padded walls. But yeah. Sounds like fun. Got more coming, including possibly my favorite interview of the Con… with a certain Captain America… Stay tuned! -Quint firstname.lastname@example.org
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Aug. 7, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST
I wish of course it could have been longer, but a good solid little itnerview. Good luck Quint, hope you make it there...and back ALIVE
Aug. 7, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST
Wow I am saying I am first even though I think i is utterly pointless and stupid...damn I am such a hippocrit...
Aug. 7, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST
I made first...I didn't think I would but I did...WHOO for me
Aug. 7, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST
"You mean the Midnight Meat Train?" "No, I was talking about Scrooge McDuck."
Aug. 7, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST
The 1st and 2nd one were great. The others with the exception maybe of "Bloodline" were shit. It would be nice to see Barker back helming another Hellraiser. Doubt we'll see it.
Aug. 7, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST
Between Barker's quilt pants, the way his head looks like its about to explode, and his taking over the interview, I thought I was reading an Johnny B. Goode interview with Robert Downey Jr.
Aug. 7, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST
Quint, oh Quint... don´t you remember "The Public Eye", with Joe Pesci impersonating Weegee? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weegee http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105187/
Aug. 7, 2007, 7:28 p.m. CST
Will Weaveworld, Imajica, or The Damnation Game get film treatment? Quint, did you email Barker a picture of Eli Roth's Huge Prosthetic Wang to get the interview and the home invite? I loved Barker's stuff when I was younger (except The Great and Secret Show), but between his "kiddie" works and his art....I haven't been interested in Barker for quite a while.
Aug. 7, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST
What happened to him?? It sounds like he's binged on 'roids and now his voice is shot. Will SOMEONE please explain? - Quint?
Aug. 7, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST
I was guessing throat cancer. Who knows?
Aug. 7, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST
I was promised a movie 10 years ago. Don't forget to ask what happened, Quint!
Aug. 7, 2007, 8 p.m. CST
You really looked like an idiot there, Quint, sorry to say.
Aug. 7, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST
These are some of my favorite movies that I can watch over and over. I wish he made more (yes, I know he didn't direct all of them). Hellraiser I and II, Nightbreed, Candyman, Lord of Illusions.
Aug. 7, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST
I got to chat with him for a while before he did his thing on Saturday. He gave me the invite and was just a doll. I love him. And Midnight Meat Train is going to kick all kinds of ass.
Aug. 7, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST
by Randall Flagg
Best book ever written. Pushed LOTR out of my top spot. Even if you don't like Barker, Imajica is well worth your time.
Aug. 7, 2007, 9:04 p.m. CST
don't be surprised if he talks to you while he showers. Seriously.
Aug. 7, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST
by Bubba Gillman
Where is the Thief of Always movie? Would be great in 2D animation, or maybe a Henry Selick stop motion feature. Love King, but Barker always seems to be operating on his own plane. The scope and ambition of books like Imajica, Weaveworld, Great and Secret Show, et al is beyond most horror fiction. I met him a book signing several years ago, and he seemed really cool (although he didn't hit on me like he did Quint, thankfully).
Aug. 7, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST
That book is so fucking amazing. Probably my favorite of his. But yeah, he's amazing. <p>Oh, and mr_sinister7381 is a homophobic douchebag. Contrary to what you may think (wish? fantasize?), gay men aren't sex-crazed promiscuous semi-rapists. Fucking tool.
Aug. 7, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST
His voice it's all gravelly and forced sounding. What happened? Did he have throat cancer or something?
Aug. 7, 2007, 10 p.m. CST
and more pronounced. <P> Love Barker. Quit with the gay shit guys/gals. Not funny. Not in the least. Assholes. <P> Quint, nice interview albeit too short. Looking forward to your visit to his home. Perhaps you'll get the opportunity to meet his partner and their daughter. My wife and I are jealous.
Aug. 7, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST
Does no one on these boards paint?
Aug. 7, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST
the hardcore/devotees already visit it <P> http://tinyurl.com/2ckkks
Aug. 8, 2007, 12:03 a.m. CST
He was either drunk or pulling everyone's leg. Either way it was funny as hell. He was there to promote his new horror movie but all he talked about was these "magic" cookies he ate.
Aug. 8, 2007, 12:45 a.m. CST
Ouijai is a most understandable misunderstanding.
Aug. 8, 2007, 1:02 a.m. CST
best line ever
Aug. 8, 2007, 1:24 a.m. CST
If you haven't seen it, check out the HELL series of art books and portfolios by Wayne Barlowe. I would love to see him do art direction for the next Hellraiser, Goddamn it! The mythos must be expanded. Pinhead was not the leader, and never was supposed to be!!!
Aug. 8, 2007, 1:30 a.m. CST
Ridley Scott's ALIEN and Barker's Hellraiser. These are two franchises that have been wasted and need to be brought back to glory. Fuckin' horrible wase. And all these big budget remakes into mediocre films. Throw some money at Barker and Scott, morons!!!
Aug. 8, 2007, 1:34 a.m. CST
Its been like that ever since he fell during his trapeze act. Just remember, there is more to Clive Barker than a disfigured hand, thats what he was trying to prove when he invited Quint over for a nice candle lit dinner.
Aug. 8, 2007, 1:36 a.m. CST
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Aug. 8, 2007, 2:42 a.m. CST
by Punch Man
Clive Barker was simultaneously hypnotizing Quint with his eyes and all of us with "The Hand"
Aug. 8, 2007, 3:12 a.m. CST
What is the status of the Tortured Souls movie? If it happens will he still direct it? Will The Scarlet Gospels come out anytime soon? He's a fantastic short story writer and I look forward to seeing more shorts in "Scarlet..." At one point he spoke of finishing Arabet 3 & 4, and then completing the third and final book of The Art. Is this still his general plan? He's also spoken of having a story larger then anything he's ever tried before after all these other projects are complete. Could he give any hints? Good job as always Quint. Cheers, Clive! I look forward to everything you do.
Aug. 8, 2007, 3:21 a.m. CST
by Boba Fat
I drifted away from Barker's stuff a while ago but reading this made me want to re-investigate it. And, as long as there is a wireless connection in Quint's padded cell it shouldn't affect things too much.
Aug. 8, 2007, 3:26 a.m. CST
What's happened with the Arabat movies? Last I heard they were going to combine books 1 & 2 into one movie and make the series a trilogy. And as others have mentioned, any 2D animated Thief of Always soon? Thanks.
Aug. 8, 2007, 4:12 a.m. CST
No fucking thanks. If they can make those HARRY POTTER books into live action movies then they damn well can and must do the same with both TIEF OF ALWAYS and ABARAT. As for what's up with ABARAT, my guess would be they're waiting for him to finish all the books before they start making the movies. They'll have to use the same actors after all (especially for the lead girl) and they couldn't do that if he won't finish the fifth book (it's no longer a quartet after all) before 2020. With Barker, a delay like that shouldn't surprise anyone.
Aug. 8, 2007, 4:23 a.m. CST
Don´t know what exactly you were talking about, cause I don´t have time to read that comic con report, but Barker is such a cool guy I always read stuff about him. I´m reading his Galilee novel at the moment and it´s really intriguing.
Aug. 8, 2007, 4:58 a.m. CST
...and at least has the imaginative ability to continually create new imaginary worlds and mythologies, rather than trot out the same old orcs or vampires stuff. That being said, he's an ill-disciplined sod who has far too many book series ongoing at the same time. Finish something, already, Barker! Last I heard, Disney had dropped the ARABAT movie series idea, but not before they paid Barker a shed-load of money. As for the movies? Well, CANDYMAN's the best one (probably because he didn't direct it himself), but all of the Barker-directed movies at least have tons if left-field ideas and genuinely disturbing ideas in them, even if the films don't always feel that cohesive. David Cronenberg taking off his mask in NIGHTBREED - that still creeps me out...
Aug. 8, 2007, 5:29 a.m. CST
by spud mcspud
...Because when he's on, he's REALLY on - HELLRAISER was great, Part 2 had some interesting ideas but fuck-all FX budget to do them with, and forget the rest (4 is kind of watchable though). CANDYMAN worked like a motherfucker - terrifying stuff! Even his so-called "flops" are interesting failures, such as LORD OF ILLUSIONS (watchable) and NIGHTBREED (some awesome practical FX and make-up in that). I'd rather see an interesting failure from Barker than yet another redneck torture epic from Rob Zomhillbilly. The man's mind goes places that most of us don't EVER want to go.<P> Check out the HELLRAISER graphic novels - now THAT'S how to keep a franchise going in other media! - and the BOOKS OF BLOOD, which have some of the most disturbing short stories EVER.<P> He's not to everyone's taste, but I'll be damned if Clive Barker ain't some sort of genius.
Aug. 8, 2007, 5:35 a.m. CST
Boy could Pinehead talk smack or what?
Aug. 8, 2007, 5:37 a.m. CST
For 10 minutes or so were great, then it was like, what the fuck.......
Aug. 8, 2007, 5:58 a.m. CST
by Col. Tigh-Fighter
Loved it as a kid.
Aug. 8, 2007, 6:05 a.m. CST
He asks him about a fxcking Hellraiser remake???FFS!!! One word Quint it aint hard and it`s the one we will hunt you down for not asking....What the Fxck is happening with Weaveworld?? And part 3 of Abarat??? It`s not hard! Stop making remakes!!!!
Aug. 8, 2007, 6:10 a.m. CST
Watch this hilarious video of Clive talking about magic cookies at the Comic Con: http://tinyurl.com/2vq5cq
Aug. 8, 2007, 6:11 a.m. CST
The original first two films are full of plot and location inconsistencies that detract from the imaginative power on display. Do the story justice...
Aug. 8, 2007, 6:26 a.m. CST
What about Great and Secret Show,Weaveworld,Damnation Game,Books of Blood,Thief of Always,Imajica,Coldheart Canyon? I think some of these should see a screen before another remake.. Hellraiser is a classic,let`s leave it there!
Aug. 8, 2007, 6:44 a.m. CST
and the rest of the interview. Barker's book are all the superlatives mentioned already and more. I recently re-read In The Hills, The Cities and it's my favourite short story of his by far. Though Meat Train is a close second.
Aug. 8, 2007, 6:45 a.m. CST
Aug. 8, 2007, 7:38 a.m. CST
What about the long-promised third book of the Art? And Imajica is indeed the greatest fantasy book ever written.
Aug. 8, 2007, 8:53 a.m. CST
and he's eccentric as all hell, which is what is so awesome about him. I love his monkey bag...fear the monkey bag. Did you guys see the Teddy Scares short cartoon he did the voice for? He was Edwin...which was perfect. Yes I gush about the man, but he's been one of my heroes since I was 12. Plus he did my tattoo so I'm biased.
Aug. 8, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST
by Randall Flagg
Some of you are actually serious in calling for an Imajica movie. It won't happen, and it shouldn't happen. It shouldn't happen because to do it right would mean NC-17 since it's downright porn in some parts, and at least one of those parts is crucial to the big reveal about Gentle & Judith; and it won't happen because to do it right would also mean a budget to dwarf LOTR, and nobody is going to spend that much money on a fairly obscure fantasy-horror-religious allegory novel the size of a dictionary, especially one that'll likely be NC-17. Maybe if Dark Tower gets made and does a decent amount of business we'll see this happen, but has anyone even considered it? Seems like quite the Herculean task that not many directors are up to.
Aug. 8, 2007, 9:47 a.m. CST
I'm hopin for that oft rumored Thief of Always film (I agree with the no toons philosophy on this...love toons...but Mr. Hood's Holiday House needs to be realized in the same way Hogwarts was)... on the Imajica being the end all be all fantasy novel, not sure i agree...love the book but I don't think it's the greatest fantasy book ever (and no Tolkein doesn't claim that title either)...I have to give it to a comic book actually, Sandman.
Aug. 8, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST
I read the desciption of the footage "subway of blood.."ooooh scary,but come on fill some of us in that havn't read the book.
Aug. 8, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST
Couldn't it be done in stop motion? I would love to see that!!! Clive's paintings are scary but beautiful. Not to mention incredibly sexual. I lost count at the number of penises.
Aug. 8, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST
Were excellent. I discovered them in high school and I came over all shocked and giddy. Fast and brutal. Highly recommened.
Aug. 8, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST
Decent production values, no major issues with censorship, quality pedigree. Coming soon, from the makers of ROME and DEADWOOD...IMAJICA! I should be a producer or something. Oh, and jimbubble - on reflection you're right. They shouldn't remake HELLRAISER. But the awkwardness of the UK setting in the first movie (with additional US accents) and the allegedly US setting of the second bugs me, as does the rubbish about the mattress and who was supposed to have dies on it...
Aug. 8, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST
by Mogwai Democracy
"geeks are such easy prey."
Aug. 8, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST
Only 100 pages in, but it's got such an intoxicating atmosphere. Is anyone adapting that for the screen?
Aug. 8, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST
I heard Tim Story is the director. Boy, with his vision, the movie should be TERRIFIC!
Aug. 9, 2007, 5:34 a.m. CST
Everyone and their mother knows that Clive is 3 dollar, but who cares, he is great!
Aug. 9, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST
Well, they've remade the shit out of every other classic, don't see why they can't butcher this one as well.
Aug. 9, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST
I'd love to see a movie version of that novel. There are some immensely powerful images and characters in that novel that would do well in a theatrical version, me thinks. And what about Hellraiser - The Musical?
Aug. 9, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST
by Judge Briggs
Damn I love Barker. He's my favorite. I have read everything and read over again. I thought he was working on the movie version of Tortured Souls? And when the fuck is the director's cut of Night Breed coming out? Cabal is one of the best stories he's put out and a n extended cut would be picked up by fans fo sho.
Aug. 9, 2007, 7:57 p.m. CST
by Judge Briggs
of the chronicles...why haven't they made that book into a movie? Loved the shit out of that book.
Aug. 10, 2007, 3:47 a.m. CST
but the man himself is gay. Not that it should suprise anyone considering the number of great artists and writers who were gay. Barker's Tapping the vein graphic novels were gayer then Truman Capote at a Village People concert.
Aug. 10, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST
by Right Bastard
I met him at a book signing once. I was last in line, and he ended up talking to me for over 45 minutes. I'm not a fan of all of his writing, but I love his ideas and art. And when his writing is good, it's really good. Screw a new Hellraiser, I want another Nightbreed!
Aug. 10, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST
Don't they keep the Plinko game in there? "The Midnight Meat Train" gets a prize for the coolest film name this year. And for getting excited about Hellraiser remake, everyone keep your skin on.
Aug. 11, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST
...for a change. I think he's doing a book signing at Dark Delicacies in Burbank. Er, sometime soon. Can't remember the date.
Aug. 12, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST
by Wee Willie
do u think he invited u over to meet his midnight meat train?
Aug. 13, 2007, 11:51 p.m. CST
Barker will be signing his new novel Mister B. Gone on Saturday Dec. 1 @ 2pm at Dark Delicacies in Burbank. It's a non-series short novel that's full-on horror. It's told in first person by a "minor divil" named Jakabok. The planned release date is Oct. 30th. The Scarlet Gospels is now a stand alone, apparently very large, novel that is "Pinhead vs. Harry D'Amore". Mister B. Gone was written as a small break before plunging into finishing The Scarlet Gospels. For more info on upcoming projects go to: www.clivebarker.info
Aug. 14, 2007, 1:02 a.m. CST
I know that he was and may still be pretty wild. Is he HIV positive? he has that wrung-out, sort of flushed and striated look that people get off HIV meds. I saw him on TV a short while ago and the change was quite scary.
Aug. 15, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST
by Drunken Busboy
Rawhead Rex was one of the best stories from the Books of Blood then the movie sucked ass mostly because Rawhead Rex looked so fake. In today's CGI world a new Rawhead Rex would kick ass like the source story! Think about it! Tim Ryan Lisbon, Maine
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