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Quint is shocked and awed by RUSH HOUR 3!!!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here.
RUSH HOUR 3 is fucking retarded.
The majority of the jokes are so old and worn that you almost can’t believe they’re doing it. Did they really just do another version of Who’s On First? Did they really just do a fried chicken joke? Did Jackie Chan speak ebonics again? Hey look, that Frenchman hates America!
Yes. The movie is retarded. It is the textbook example of big dumb studio comedy.
But it is a RUSH HOUR movie.
If you liked any of the previous installments, you’ll like this one, too. I couldn’t help but laugh a couple times. Yeah, the jokes are almost all stale, but the film does have a sort of infectious energy, propelled by Chan and Tucker’s chemistry.
I’m not giving this movie a pass… I know it started out like one of those reviews where the writer sits back and goes, “I know! I’ll trick ‘em into thinking I hated it, then I’ll pull out the big surprise!”
I don’t think the film is particularly well done. I wouldn’t recommend it to a discerning film-goer. There are much better comedies that have come out this year and are still coming out. HOT ROD is much better than RUSH HOUR 3. SUPERBAD is miles better then RH3. ROCKET SCIENCE is also better.
But the audience ate this movie up. They loved it. Applause, uproarious laughter, the whole bit.
And there are good scenes in this movie. In particular, there’s a bit with a nun translating the French insults directed at Tucker and Chan, and then translating their vulgar insults right back.
Then there’s George, the French cab driver. I won’t tell you his arc in case you do decide to catch the flick, but Yvan Attal (you might have seen him in MUNICH) steals the movie. He was the crowd’s favorite character and they also do some interesting change-ups with the tired America-hating Frenchman cliché. If there is another RUSH HOUR movie, I bet you there’ll be a big demand for this guy to show up somewhere.
And then there is one thing in the film, one particular piece of “Oh, my God… they’re not… fuck me, they did…” craziness. This piece of work almost makes me want to give this a full recommendation.
So, we all know by now that Roman Polanski has a cameo. He plays a French police captain who detains Carter and Lee at the airport upon their arrival in Paris.
I kid you not… they make not one, but two jokes about him anally raping Chan and Tucker. I am not fucking kidding. Chan, at one point, literally tells him, “My butt still hurts.”
I was flabbergasted. Absolutely speechless when that happened. I was like, “Did Polanski know what they were talking about? Did he understand? Was he in on the joke? If not, that’s really fucked up. If so, that’s ten times more fucked up!”
So, it’s almost worth sitting through the 80% of the movie that we’ve seen before, copied from better movies, just to see the enormous balls of that one particular wink and nod.
The plot… who cares? It’s as predictable as it comes. If you don’t know who the bad guy is in the first 5 minutes of the movie then you’ve never seen a film before. From the casting to the introduction of the character. You know who the bad guy is and you’re just waiting for the movie to catch up with you.
So, yeah. The movie is just as retarded as the rest, but on a bigger scale. I actually liked a lot of the first RUSH HOUR movie, but something’s happened to Chris Tucker. He’s trying his best and sometimes he succeeds, but it felt like his timing was off. He felt more like a caricature of a funnyman than an actual funnyman.
Chan still gives everything his all. Good for him. It’s always a pleasure to see him on the screen.
Ratner… I won’t harp on the guy. He gets plenty of that without my input. The man knows how to cut together a film, knows how to keep the pace up, keep the movie flowing. It’s his personal fetishes that get in the way and they’re all on display here. Well, maybe not all of them, but a significant amount.
There are my thoughts upon immediately exiting the theater. I still can’t get over Polanski snapping on that rubber glove at the airport… with a smirk. I can’t believe that. Maybe I dreamed it? Surely they didn’t do that for real, right?
-Quint
quint@aintitcool.com
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seeing it
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still not lookin foward to it
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anal cavity searches(how the hell is that even spalled? lol) are pretty common in airports and just as common as a joke used in movies. i dont understand the big shock. i mean the trailers even show us the glove thing and that both chris and jackie get searched. so i'm not sure what the big deal about that is? is it because of polanski's sex charges that this seems bad? i just really dont understand the big shock.
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Nothing like the great unwashed masses to eat up a pile of shit and love it!
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and I won't be seeing it
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...outta my mouf!!?
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Shit!
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Damn it.
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I am television sick and I am television crazy(JandMC), but I will not be seeing this turd in the theaters or on cable. JC needs to go back home to find himself.
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Don't give in to the madness, people! Raise the bar!
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At least parts of it.I saw Hot Rod at a private screening, which meant there where party favors, and I swear when the acid trip-part happened, I nearly laughed until I had a hernia.
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Brett Ratner is a piece of shit.
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damn, I was afraid of that... I only saw the trailer, and was ready to call that actor as the villain.
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I have to watch this now.
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I have to admit...I laughed my ass off at the scene in the recent TV spots with Tucker and a bad guy breaking chairs over each others' backs...and both screaming in agony.
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I mean lets start with Rebecca Gayheart (sp?), boy has she gone south since Mr. Ratner touched her. Sure she was great at first, and yeah I'm sure Brett touched the hell outta her during his tenure with her. Hell I don't blame him at all, but lets leave well enough alone. Rush Hour was a friggin riot, loved it, all of it. But he had to start touching the hell out of the second one, eventually followed by the third. Since I haven't seen RH3 I cannot badmouth too much, but Quint has, and he has no qualms about verbally assaulting RH3 until he's blue in the face. I trust the man with my wife, naked, so I am on board with his opinion. (by the way Quint, what my wife does to you naked, I do not want to know) Not sure if I can rake Ratner through the coals for X3, but to kill two trilogies in that short period of time, not to mention poor Rebecca (yeah, I know she's not dead...YET), I thought that honor could only go to Lucas. I now stand corrected.
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for shame... for shame...
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and laughed out loud. No need to peruse the rest, it confirms what I figured. I am a little perplexed about the Polanski anal rape jokes, though. Really weird if he was okay with that, but he does have a pitch black sense of humor, so who knows.
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Rush Hour ain't high art. It ain't nothin' but what it is suppose to be...A big dumb summer people-pleasin' movie. And stop hatin' on Bro' Man Brett. He doin' his thang behind da' camera to great $$$ success an be mackin' da' hos on da' side, so nomihs don't hate, congratulate. Just becuz he be livin' da' dream with cream while you be livin' a boring "DRY-DREAM ON ELM STREET" don't be justifyin' yo' bitterness. Now go be with yo' rubber dolly an' let it know dat' it still has it.
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Damn, I'm still going sit through it to see Live Free or Die Hard in a drive-in.
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I know she blew herself up in the last one, but whatever, I like looking at her.
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I wouldn't care if he was a klansman, I wouldn't care if he was an anti-semite or a homophobe, I wouldn't care if he killed his wife... but when you rape a child, you don't get any more chances. I hope somebody kills him in a spectacular and brutal way, kills him over a period of five or six days. Anybody who would be within 500 feet of him and not attack him is a severely compromised individual.
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and Michael Bay,the 2 biggest hack directors who's movies are brainless-unoriginal-pieces of popcorn garbage who the Zombie going public loves.Why are these guys movies making 100s of millions when its crap?
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Is he in it? The only way in HELL I am going to see this turd is if the younger Chase brother is in this movie.
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...is because the Rush Hour fans wanted it. Because Chris Tucker said, "Damn, he ain't gonna be in Rush Hour 3."
I hate the phrase, "this movie isn't made for critics." Hate it with a passion.
But in this sole case, I do have to claim that this is that rare case where this phrase applies.
Rush Hour 3 is for the folks that loved 1 and 2. I'll be seeing it during the midnight show. -
Ever. Not in theaters, not on DVD, not on cable, not via bittorrent, not as I'm strapped to my death bed with the elixir of life promised to me if I only behold the hollywood shit-clumped asshair that is Rush Hour 3. Same goes for Daddy Day Camp and Wonderdog.
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Did you see this at the Regal Metropolitan 14 in South Austin? I'm just curious because that's where I caught a sneak peak of the movie tonight and the crowd there loved it as well. Oh, also, you're right to praise George. Everything else was bad.
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First of all -- spiderwalk007 -- Chan did go back home to find himself in a BIG way just three years ago with New Police Story. That movie is balls to the wall -- in other words GREAT! Here's the kicker -- will Rush Hour 3 be Jackie Chan's last theatrical release in the US? Brett Ratner had to twist Chan's arm to be in Rush Hour 3. Chan hates the Rush Hour series. JC has rejected Hollywood and has gone on the record saying he only wants to make Hong Kong movies for the rest of his career. He's just finishing up The Forbidden Kingdom with Jet Li; which might get a release here - but if not Rush Hour 3 could be the last we see of Chan on the big screen in North America. So you can bet your ass that I'm going to see Rush Hour 3 at least twice next weekend. I might regret it if I don't. Jackie's still the man; can't wait!
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Buy a Humvee, eat meat, and get caught voting on the war on terror like 99.9% of congress did 4 years ago and you're evil incarnate. Rape an underage girl, but win the Best Director Oscar for a crappy movie and you get a standing-O. Ok. Check.
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... for thinking that this article was about Rush Hour 3. Rush Hour 3 is the handle of the person that wrote the article! Sean Bean would make an excellent Rush Hour 3.
I honestly couldn't resist. Here's to you, redfist! Making sure your idiocy lives on in other talkbacks. -
Check out the Fahrenheit 451 talkback.
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How can you not laugh at a scene like that. Aren't celebrities suppose to ridicule themselves for our own enjoyment!!!!
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Boy, I sure hate babies.
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Aug 07, 2007 1:16:16 AM CDT
Altogether Now...THEY DID IT FOR THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by darth fabulous
I thought watching Michael Caine opposite Steven Seagal in On Deadly Ground was bad enough...
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It made it look like it was a dumb movie about a stunt man crashing into stuff. Which wouldn't have got me to buy a ticket at all. But seeing it at the preview, I laughed my ass off. Honestly, they should have cut the trailer and including things like the "cool beans" scene and played up the step-father and son relationship. Sell it for the comedy people are looking for, random and strange jokes. Don't sell it on slap stick and pronouncement gags. Honestly, the way trailers are done now are the bane of most movies. They either give WAY too much of the movie away (why would I pay $8.50 to see a movie I just saw a 2 minute version of???) or they sell the movie completely wrong to the audience (case in point Hot Rod). They need a trailer revolution in Hollywood. Look at how much attention 1-18-08 is getting, why? Because it teased but didn't give the whole damn movie away. Remember the trailer for E.T. and Jurassic Park? Every trailer should be like that. (sigh)
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Not loved them, and I never paid to see them either. But I will enjoy it like I did the others from borrowing a DVD or waiting till it's on TBS.And is Jackie Chan returning to do HK movies from now on? If that's true then I'm fucking excited!
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...to start screaming we should boycott Rush Hour 3 because of Polanski's involvement.
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And not like part 2, which is probably Chan's best U.S.-movie!
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No I didn't know Polanski had a cameo. You know why? Because I stay away from threads that say spoiler. Did this one? No. Way to go fuckwad.
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No, but both can leave your butt aching.
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And now please explain why racism, anti-semitism, discrimination and murder are okay for you.
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he raped a 13 year old girl! LOL wink wink....thats hilarious.
That is seriously sick.
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or at least I hope it is......not that it really bothers me in any way. I'm still seeing this...
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I agree with godoffireinhell. I think your assumption, Quint, says more about your mind than the movie :)
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EVERY FUCKIN TIME Polanski's name is mentioned people go up in arms about something he did before most of you were even born. Any of you guys that say you never wanted to fuck a chick up the ass are lying to yourselves, period.
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pirates of the caribean 3, etc.
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This guy has some talent. I mean, it takes some kind of superhuman feat to make 8 movies and have each and every one of them be a total disaster. Red Dragon/Manhunter. That's all i'm going to say.
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And I'm serious about this...and I haven't checked if somebody else has asked it.
Is Johnny Drama in it? You know, Kevin Dillon? Seriously, it means a lot to me to tie in a fictional HBO series with a real movie with a real dick director. -
I still really want to know. Is he a driver in the movie?
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I loved the 1st two for what they were and i felt that Chan and Tucker did indeed have chemistry, but all the scenes i've seen of 3 look tired and retried. I just wasn't impressed when i saw the trailer in theaters and I didn't laugh once. Cjris Tucker really needed to expand his projectes instead of just doing thosess Rush Hour film. The man is actually a decent serious actor. I don't know what went wrong with him. I don't see this film making a lot. Probably 70-90 million tops based of the name.
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filmed on location in Hong Kong or Australia. MONEY TALKS 2
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They are flat, non funny movies with an over paid, and bad actor, yeah I'm talking about Chris Tucker. He's terrible, and not funny, at all! I'm not a snob when it comes to film, but these movies are shit pure and simple. They rip off much better films, and the action is just flat even with Jackie Chan doing all the amazing shit he does. I"m happy for anyone that can find enjoyment out of these films, but there not for me. As for Bret Ratner, I've only seen 2, and half of his movies so I'm not sure how I feel about the guy's work so I won't comment at this time. If you want to see a good action film that's not dumbed down go see the new Bourne movie. See you guys, Out!
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You know the studios begging for it.
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So is Michael Jackson (or rather, he was at one point). What they've done is fucked up, but they've payed for it.
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I'm glad to see other people agreeing the Rush Hour movies suck.
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At least Red Dragon wasn't an extended episode of Miami Vice.
At least Red Dragon had a Dolarhyde that was actually frightening.
At least Red Dragon had a REAL ending rather than some pimped-out 80's shotgun-in-a-glass-building cliche. Ratner may be a total hack, in the same heroin-filled vein as Michael Bay and Paul Anderson, but at least he got one movie perfect. -
I'm supposed to be convinced because there are jokes about anal rape? Yay, there just isn't enough cheap, unfunny homophobia in entertainment today. I don't care that it being Polanski is supposed to give it an extra dimension. And, boy, you really love the word "retarded" don't you.
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I saw the the new trailer on Tv. There is a line: Chan says" I think he's speaking french" and tucker slaps this guy and says "youre asian, dont be humilitating yourself". He is so irritating, I cant stand him. He ruined the fifth element.
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Bergman obviously died just so he could roll in his grave. For shame, Pelle!
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Tom Noonan was a much better and more frightening Dolarhyde!
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if you want to see a cool Taxi driver character in an actually good story make sure you watch TWO DAYS IN PARIS.
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and I believe him.
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his wife. She apprantly is a real control freak. She looked at this and said hey max, do this and he tried to put up an argument and after being verbally beaten over the head by hi uber-bitch he signs on. Sir Micheal Caine was asked why did he do Jaws 4 and Caine said" well my mother needed a new house"
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Aug 07, 2007 4:42:16 AM CDT
And don't forget that von Sydow was also in Judge Dredd
by derlanghaarige
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you are a cretin. Manhunter pisses all over the shitty Ratner abombination.
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It's Tchecky Karyo. Or Michael Rooker. Has to be.
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How depressing. Michael Caine notoriously stars in any old dreck for a pay check- see The Swarm for a prime example where he said something similar.
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... I can even muster the hatred to write a review of this one. Quint was too kind to it. This is a depressingly awful film. The first two aren't high art, but this one lowers the bar to such a degree that I can't even try to be funny about hating it. I just hate it.
At least I have a new test to decide if I want to continue a film conversation with someone. "So, did you like RUSH HOUR 3?" "Yeah! I thought it was... hey, Moriarty, come back here. Moriarty?"
And I don't give a shit if "the crowd ate it up." At my screening tonight, some thin-skulled moron kept clapping like a wind-up monkey and loudly proclaiming "THAT WAS FUNNY!" after every pseudo-joke. It's still a piece of unflushable shit. -
.....for getting $25 million for this shit.Think about it he'll be getting paid an amount of money that could fund over twenty smaller movies, out gross the national product of many small countries or buy his own island....for showing up and doing a routine on camera. It boggles the mind but its an amazing achivement. You know this to be true.
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Can somebody please just give a simple yes or no answer to the following .
Is Kevin Dillon in Rush Hour 3 ?
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..... clasically trained thespians gotta eat !
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What a surprise. I mean that's really, really surprising. I never saw it coming.
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Maybe then I will see it.
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You can see all the hatred on this board from self proclaimed experts, making it look like the majority of people out there hates these films and it's director. Simply not true.
Seeing how Snakes on a Plane was much loved over here with, again, self proclaimed experts on all things cool, gushing out love for it and yet it bombed like nobodies business. So it just goes to show that you don't know squatt and that your intense loathing of the general public and that you think that you are better than them because they like different movies is very disconserning. Fuck yall! -
Seriously! Whenever a black celebrity visits Africa, they see FAMINE and SADNESS and GLIMMERS OF HOPE and such, to the point that they come back ALLLLLL bummed out, and WE are the ones that suffer for it. I'm in no way making light of African poverty and illnesses, but we DO need to keep black comedians from being able to travel to Africa.
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Rush Hour movies are great fun.
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as an insult. When a child is born with mental retardation, he or she has no choice in the matter. What's your fucking excuse? So using the word "retarded" as an insult is really fucking low, and to read a review where you start the review the way you have...listen, I know you get paid to write. Why don't you show one iota of class and act like a pro?
There's no defense. I've known plenty of retarded people who are more intelligent than some of the clowns who frequent these Talkbacks, so "retarded" is not equal to "stupid." But based on your base inability to write a review with dignity, I can think of more than a few things that "quint" is equal to. -
this drivel.
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He makes a huge payday for doing a "Rush Hour" flick every few years. That's all the money anyone needs to live very well on. He does not need to act in anything else. There are three main reasons to act in films: love of craft (in this case you should be acting in the theater), ego (why most movie stars do it), and money.
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We are the ones to suffer? Even though the true suffering is not happening in movie theaters...LOLZ.
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Seriously. I swear that I saw he passed away like, two years ago. Even if he isn't, I still insist that he is.
"Boxcar Wille? I thought you were dead!" -
... is not in the film. No Drama.
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... you can make that sort of broad-stroke generalization, but I gave X3 a decent review, and I hated SNAKES ON A PLANE. So what does that do to your theory? Eh?
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I heard that Max van sydow's wife drove Spielberg crazy on the set of Minority Report. so much so that he ordered her to re-moved for the film set. She has script approval on all his films these days. His dialoug was changed constantly. She demanded that ending be changed. It speculation of course....
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talkbackers or some of them, who hate for hate sake.
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nutsack hairs pulled one by one with rusty tweezers than watch this movie. Which reminds me....I need to schedule an appointment with Big Bertha at Git R Done Hair Removal.
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The first one proves that Chan still had it. It set up the Characters, tucker wasnt all that bad in it. the story was a fish out of water one ie Chan coming to america. Rush Hour 2 however was racist crap, offensive and unfunny and utterly terrible and boring, chan looked like didnt want to do it but this is the same Jackie chan who made around the world in 80 days. This is the kind of film you see when there is nothing else in the cinema on or when it comes to tv.
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Saw Rush Hour 2 on the TV the otherday (obviously as Rush Hour 3 is on its way) there are some many things wrong with that movie I simply do not have time to list them ! OK then here's just one - Ricky Tan (!???!) supposedly Chans Fathers "partner", the dude playing him looks almost 10 years younger Chan !!!!!! It's just wrong wrong wrong .
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I just don't get Rush Hour's success at all. What I'd really like to see is Shanghai Dawn. It's not just that the Shanghai movies are funnier...they actually have some damn good action to boot. Jackie's extended fight with the main asian villain (as opposed to Rathbone, the white guy) was pretty choice...even if the swordfight with Rathbone could have been much better.
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... really doesn't know what they're talking about. Honestly, Brett Ratner is not the best director in Hollywood - we all realise that - but the problems with X3 started at a SCRIPT level and then were doubled when 20th Century Fox HAD to have the film out in time to go head-to-head with SUPERMAN RETURNS. Matthew Vaughn left the film because he couldn't make a decent film in the time FOX was pushing him to make it in. THAT is the reason the film is shit, not because Brett Ratner came in and somehow just made it bad. He didn't write the bad dialogue, he didn't make Beast look like a guy painted blue... In fact, the actual DIRECTION of X3 is one of the only redeeming things about the film (I’m talking scene composition, camera movements, etc.). If you want to complain about Ratner’s involvement in X3, complain that he didn’t have the balls to stand up to FOX over the problems in the script, or at least to back away from the bucket load of cash he was no doubt offered, to maintain his dignity (like Vaughn did). Think before you just lash out. RED DRAGON is a good film, well-directed, well-acted... I’m fine with Brett Ratner.
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for the final fucking time. What it is is a soulless return to the money pit of Hannibal lector in an utterly pointless, unimaginitave remake of a far superior film. It is shit on so many different levels it si actually painful. And regarding Twatner's good direction on X3- c'mon that is ridiculous. Watch the Golden Gate sequence again, and tell me that is good direction. Granted all the problems in that film are not his fault, but he has to take some of the blame. It is better than SR though.
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is a good film. The only real problem with it is that Edward Norton was horribly miscast. Other than that it's an enjoyable trip back to the well. That being said, it doesn't hold a candle to Manhunter. I'm also one of those people that didn't think X3 was the end of humanity as we know it. I actually thought it was better than the first X-Men movie, and a lot better than stuff like Superman Returns to pick up falling objects and Ang Lee's Incredible Freud....I mean Hulk.
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Oh that's right, this is a Rush Hour 3 talkback. It'll be okay. I'm sure it'll be enjoyable, even though Jackie is looking kind of old...and Chris Tucker's schtick has gotten old.
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a final attempt to cash in on Anthony Hopkins massively overrated performace as Lector.
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was the constant attention and love that Snakes on a Plane got, before anyone had seen it, assuming that it was great. Plus the talkbackers creamed all over it and yet it bombed. Rush Hour and Brett Ratner have got nothing but unadulterated hatred from not only the talkbackers but the AICN crew themselves. But still his films make a shit load of cash. Sure that does not mean that they are masterpieces but they are entertaining and that's all they are supposed to be. And then the talkbackers say that the general public are morons for liking those films. What sort of self righteous asshole seriously makes that statement?
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I see many episodes of "Ow. My Balls!" in your future.
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Thanks for the review, Quint. Good to hear "Rush Hour 3" is exactly what people were expecting. That said, I tend to agree with mr_sinister7381 about the Rush Hour films being evolutionary litmus tests. Next time I go to a party or function where I don't know many people, one of the first questions I'll ask after introductions will be, "So, did you like the Rush Hour movies?" Based on people's answers, I'll know everything I want to know.
Also, I know Ratner has directed some big-time movies, but I'm sick of him. His gigantic ego destroyed the television show "On The Lot," and he's become a five-dollar prostitute for Hollywood producers. I realize he's doing just fine in life, thank you, and he cares not for the opinion of a nobody like me. But then again, I never directed a movie like "Rush Hour 2."
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you deserve to be anally raped. By Tucker and Chan. Simultaneously. While Polanski rapes your daughter.
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Rush Hour 4 (this one had "3" in its title, right? I don't think I saw the second one and definitely nothing afterwards), Rush Hour 5, Rush Hour Begins, Rush Hour vs. Lethal Weapon (or maybe not, I think the LW franchise still has fans), Rushiest Hour... That will keep him away from anything else. Especially from thriller novels, which in his monkey paws turn into manure, as we already saw once in that canister of stale urine titled "Brett Dragon".
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it will be fun, not necessarily thought provoking.
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in Chan and Tucker's relationship. It felt like they became best friends and RH3 could be something special. And I thought it would take place in NYC with the smoking caliente Roselyn Sanchez. I was actually looking forward to another sequel, something that would be different and far better. What a disappointment this is turning out to be.
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jokes in the 2nd movie but apparently Tucker's not funny unless he's making fun of Asians. 7 years into the 21st Century and Tucker's stuck in the last.
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I love that they thought that. Retards.
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for elitist snobs rather than nerds these days?
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Thats the only reason i would ever want to see it. I agree the Shanghai series are a lot better and should be way more popular than the rush hour crap.
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The doors should bolt shut and the theatre fill with nerve gas.
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Are you kidding? Aren't they (we) one in the same? Is this debate really happening?!How about this: I've never seen any of these RUSH HOUR films. Why? Because the premise bores me. I consider that particular type of cinematic boredom something akin to a vampire sucking the marrow from my life. Therefore, I avoid it.And by doing so, I live to nerd-on another day.
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Treat it with the indifference it deserves.
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That I am better than anyone who will enjoy RH3, I just think it will be shit. It doesn't particularly give me pleasure to say that either, as I should be accompanying people to a screening soonish.
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Both are considerably better than the Rush Hour crap.
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At least for a while. Until 10 years later when they reboot it with new actors. And the director who is now getting his ass kicked in junior high starts talking about the RH films as "action classics."
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"He's just finishing up The Forbidden Kingdom with Jet Li; which might get a release here"
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The sad fact is that most Americans are not looking for anything more than disposable entertainment when they go to movies. They don't want to be enlightened, educated, uplifted, or anything else that requires thinking or feeling. They just want loud action and comedy. This is the reason why some jaw-droppingly awful movies have had No. 1 opening weekends this year.
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Isn't Tucker just apeing what Spike Lee referred to as "Coonery and Buffoonery" in all his roles?
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Lindsay Lohan's film (I KNOW WHO..) tanked! I mean, it died a horrible death so the public isn't entirely gullible. Lohan assumed her celebrity (notoriety) would draw huge crowds but theatres have been empty. In fact, this is Lohan's 3rd flop in a row. She's not a commercial asset so why all the press? Next film to be cremated (down the flusher): Jessica Simpson/BLONDE AMBITION. Released direct to DVD? Simpson's father postponed it original release because "we didn't want it to compete with blockbusters." Uh-huh.
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Basically.
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I could see your shit coming last week. It started when you said "I’m not giving this movie a pass… I know it started out like one of those reviews where the writer sits back and goes, 'I know! I’ll trick ‘em into thinking I hated it, then I’ll pull out the big surprise!' You just played yourself...
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Capt Boulder for a while. Basically, the vast majority of the general public is, let's face it, stupid. Ask anyone to answer honestly (and I do mean honestly) and they should say that they consider themselves to be smarter than the average bear, if they don't they're lying. The phrase "Lowest Common Denominator" exists for a reason. Unfortunately, a significant majority of the creative industries has realised that it is far easier to cater to the lowest common denominator, and also removes the element of risk. This mentality results in a world where shit like Rush Hour dominates the cinema, Big Brother and American Idol despoil Television, and a little group of interchangeable boy band muppets pollute the charts, whilst bookshops (I'm looking at you waterstones) stack lower level drivel by the likes of Helen Fielding or Marion Keyes to the ceiling (this shit doesn't even class as Shopping and Fucking literature- it makes Judith Krantz look like Hemmingway). There is still higher-brow stuff around, it just takes more finding. What depresses me about this is not that it is prevalent, or even that it makes money (they know their target market), but that it is accepted by people that should know better with excuses such as "it's just a popcorn film". Really, if we don't ask for more, then this is what we get. I'm not saying every film should be Citizen Kane, but really instead of accepting shit we should be rejecting it. Especially in the internet age where everyone knows more about everything to be released, so we all should show some discernmnet. If we do see something that is crap, it is our duty to tell people that it was shit, not to excuse it in some pathetic fashion.Sorry about the length of that.
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I mean if they've got Polanski and a bunch of rape jokes, why not complete the trifecta?
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The Polanski rape thing isn't "enormous balls". It's cynical psuedo rebellion that will fly miles over the heads of the sophmoric target market. There is nothing ballsy about breaking a taboo when the audience a) doesn't know a taboo is being broken, and b) wouldn't recognise polanski even if he was holding a sign saying "I'm Roman Polanski". What it really is is a shitty, hackneyed, cavity search gag.
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Now I haven't seen RH3 yet, but from the previews, I dont' think what Polanski does to Lee and Carter is technically "anal rape." It looks like he's performing a digital anal exam--you know, in search of contraband or something. And to me "anal rape" implies penis. I'm 46 years old. I get a digital prostate exam EVERY FUCKING YEAR, and, though it is the low point of my healthcare life, I do not consider it "rape." Not exactly, anyway.
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The man is a wonderful actor. Twilight Samurai says it all. Now Rush Hour 3. For shame, man, for shame.
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made me chuckle in the trailer. Sad, but true.
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I will see RH3 as soon as I can. I really dig these flicks. They were never trying to be anything more than they were. And they weren't playing off the Lethal Weapon type buddy cop thing, but rather the goofier 60s-70's we-don't-give-a-shit fun of something like "Salt and Pepper" starring Sammy Davis Jr. and Peter Lawford.
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did Johnny Chase end up with a part in it???
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Ratner/Bay.
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When you yourself liked Transformers? That's my litmus test. And I quote from your review: "We can dispense with the clever tapdancing up front, all the hyperbole, and just cut right to it: TRANSFORMERS is a fun, slick summer movie. It’s very entertaining, and it might as well say “Starring ILM As The Coolest Goddamn Robots You Ever Saw” in the opening credits". I didn't think Transformers was fun or entertaining. I had to force myself not to walk out in the last half hour, AND THERE WERE GIANT ROBOTS FIGHTING EACH OTHER. I kept thinking there might be one shot that would make sitting through it worth it. Nope. Now, I'm not a big Rush Hour fan, but at least they've mildly entertained me and I wasn't particularly tempted to walk out on them. That being said, let's please end the series already. I would much rather that RH budget go to, well, just about anything else, except Transformers 2 (which is probably where it will go, goddamnit). But to rail against RH while you embrace Transformers seems retarded. At least in the RH movies, the action makes sense, you can tell what's an elbow and what's a knee, and you actually more or less care who wins. Nobody wants Jackie Chan to die, right? Whereas I was praying for all the Transformers, every one, to die violently and embarrassingly so that there could not be a sequel.
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I still remember the part where the guy rolled down the hill in a wheelchair on fire. Funniest scene ever. It was directed like a Jackass stunt. I was laughing my ass off for like five minutes. Why was that movie even made?
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Every time I see that trailer, and Tucker says that line, I feel myself die a little inside.
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"If you want to complain about Ratner’s involvement in X3, complain that he didn’t have the balls to stand up to Fox over the problems in the script, or at least to back away from the bucket load of cash he was no doubt offered, to maintain his dignity (like Vaughn did)." That's what I wrote in my post, so I'm not defending Ratner, I'm trying to point out that X3 wasn't shit JUST because he directed it. He didn't ruin the film; it was ruined regardless of his involvement. Lost Prophet, I agree that RED DRAGON was made purely to cash in on the franchise, but I still enjoy the film as a psychological thriller. Edward Norton and Ralph Fiennes were great, I also thought Ratner's direction was superb (yes, I said it). You're entitled to your opinion though, and I see you're not the only one who thought the film was terrible.
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"...some thin-skulled moron kept clapping like a wind-up monkey..."
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...blow job from a guy. And then continued it by saying it was one of the best B.J.'s he's ever had.
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Chris Tucker doesn't make many pictures, you know why? He spends a lot of time in Africa to help Aids victims and the kids over there.
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The Tranny that blew Brett Ratner....Oy vey why see this movie?
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“No, no! That’s from my personal experience. My first blow job was from a man, but I didn’t know it was a man. That’s where that comes from. It’s based on personal experience. It happens to a lot of people,” claims Ratner. “I’m not homophobic or uptight about it. That happens to a lot of heterosexuals. You meet a girl in a bar, and it turns out she’s not a girl. I think a girl should tell you if she’s a girl or a man–that way it’s your preference. It’s comedy. Look, in this movie we don’t pull any punches. We make fun of black people. We make fun of Chinese people. We make fun of French people. We make fun of gay situations. We make fun of whites. It doesn’t matter. It’s the type of movie it is. It’s a fish-out-of-water comedy. You have to have those types of situations to have the comedy. That specific idea was because it’s happened to me. It’s happened to my friends. We’ll get together with a girl, and it’ll turn out to be a guy. The reaction is “Oh, shit!” if you’re not gay, which is funny, I think. Getting into the situation is funny. I laugh whenever I see one of my friends talking to a girl, and I’ll ask, “Is that a man or a woman?” It’s funny, especially if you don’t know about it. If you know about it, fine. If that’s your preference…
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Delaurentis. The money grabbing italian producer is responsible for the lecter Mess. Only when he realised that he could make Money and serious money did he by back the rites to the whole serious, including Redragon.
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Memories of Murder: "It's fun... but that doesn't mean it's god. There's a difference, you know? Any self-respecting geek should be very well aware of that simple thing."
Nonsense. If the point of the film is to be "fun" and it is "fun" it IS a good film. If it's supposed to be fun (or scary or sad or whatever) and it does not succeed, it is a failure.
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Every 5rd or 6th film he does is, or is like, a comedy and it totally sucks ass. Like Walter Matthau in "Pirates" or the infamous "Fearless Vampire Killers". So maybe he got all the crap out in his system and placed it squarely in the hands of Ratner. Now he can go on and direct some masterpiece like the greatest living director should.
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i am personally of the belief that the last great comedy film was poduced by the genius INGRID BERGMAN. although he is swedish, he was quite brilliant. first and foremost i think it is an absolute sin that none of you mention him in regarding to this film. second and foremost, i am absolutely sick and tired of these pretentious comedy films such as the RUSH HOUR trinigy and even the STAR WARS double trinigy. whose with me? anyone? brett ratner is normally a pretentious director and it fascinatingly bugs me that he's still in the movie bustiness because he's so pretentious. WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK??
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i am personally of the belief that the last great comedy film was poduced by the genius INGRID BERGMAN. although he is swedish, he was quite brilliant. first and foremost i think it is an absolute sin that none of you mention him in regarding to this film. second and foremost, i am absolutely sick and tired of these pretentious comedy films such as the RUSH HOUR trinigy and even the STAR WARS double trinigy. whose with me? anyone? brett ratner is normally a pretentious director and it fascinatingly bugs me that he's still in the movie bustiness because he's so pretentious. WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK??
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Simple as that. Fuck each and every one of his detractors... with a hot poker... with nails through it.
Yeah.
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pseudo-intellectual outrage, it's annoying. You're nothing more than a lonely bitter masturbator who's obviously going through a major homosexual panic, thus visiting AICNs' looking for a little companionship, but due to your social ineptness, you mask your affections with needless hostilities...But lucky for you, i'm sympathetic to your malady...So after a little research, i discovered a site that you can visit, so you can frolic amongst your like-minded ilk: PICKLESMOKERS.COM. Btw, there's no need to thank me, i'm here to help.
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speaking of social ineptness, your
clever piclesmoker.com comment markes you as homophobic ass.
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aka The Rat and Bomb-Bay movies.
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If you weren't alive for pet rocks....IT WAS A NORMAL ROCK that you PAID MONEY FOR to PLAY WITH.
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i'm personally of the knowledge that you're just jealous. it just so happens that i'm a film scholar and basically know more about films than you do as is evidenced your priorly post. i am simply an echoer of the film scholar community and what i said in my before post was just what i have been taught by a great number of many filmscholars, all of whom are more smart than you are, so please spare me your outage. i was simply saying that rush hour 3 is pretentious in that it attempts to invigorate a cliche medium of cop buddy movie by making the two cops of different races. thati s the only innovation of the film and is therefore pretentious. you are clearly THE ONLY PERSON ON THE BOARD TO MISAGREE WITH ME.
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...committed -- I believe -- statutory rape. He didn't anally violate anyone. He didn't drug and attack a little girl and force himself on her. It's a very complicated story, and the woman who was that thirteen year old girl has actually spoken out recently in defence of him (in fact, I believe that she brought some legal action against Vanity Fair for claiming that she had made some statements of condemnation against Polanksi that she hadn't). This isn't to condone Polanski's actions which were -- let's face it -- illegal. It's important to remember, though, that this was a completely different era from now. Polanski got caught doing what a lot of famous (and not famous) men and women were getting away with big time in those days. It was the post-sixties freelove era, with all the nonsense that entailed, including smoking pot (hardly a "drug") and seducing young people. Every other movie was about an aging coot played by someone like William Holden or David Jansen having it off with some waif of a hitch-hiking hippy chick. Seduction of youth was part of the culture in a weird way (whereas now, the media just sexualizes anything within a 3 year radius of puberty, but pretends to be all about youth empowerment). The only reason anyone even found out about Polanksi's indiscretion was that the girl's mother overheard her telling a friend about it on the phone. While you're condemning a complete stranger for some event that took place somewhere you weren't, involving people you've never met, you might ask yourself why this happened in Jack Nicholson's house. Jack claims he was "away" at the time. Well, wouldn't he say that? Or maybe it's true; I don't know and neither do you. The fact is, a lot of the people you admire and worship just because of some fictional character they played or invented or whatever are actually probably a lot weaker, meaner, more perverted or more evil than you could ever imagine. People are generally opportunistic vermin, and will do whatever they think they can get away with. Maybe you think Polanski is a creepy little man. Maybe if it had been someone like Jack Nicholson or Warren Beatty (and they probably did such things as well) it would be more excuseable. Hell, you'd probably kind of laugh at it or call him an "old dog" or whatever. Maybe Polanski's just too European or something. I guarantee you that some of your favourite classic rock stars had more than their fair share of "jailbait". I'm sure it still goes on backstage and on tour buses. Once again, I'm not trying to condone -- just point out that there's a pretty strong likelyhood that someone you know and admire has just been lucky enough to never get caught doing what you are so quick to condemn Polanski for: something most of you probably just have some vague, sensationalized notion of based on some other ill-informed person's poorly considered comment. Also, although I haven't seen Rush Hour 3, I have seen the trailer, and I'm positive that the "anal rape" joke is actually a cavity search joke, and that interpreting it as anything else is akin to that urban legend I remember from my childhood where there was a popular song that had the sound of screaming on it, and all the kids believed the story that a woman had been murdered in the next studio and her dying scream had made it onto the finished track. Once again, Polanski did not "anally rape" anyone. To think there is any referencing going on there is pure, simple-minded "wanna-believery". It's childish. And believing that Polanski just might not be in on the joke reveals more about Quint's perception of non-American, accented foreigners and their intelligence than he probably realizes. Oh, and I think Polanski is one of the most brilliant film directors to ever live. He's like Kubrick with more humanity. The fact that he's just been reduced to a bad joke in a movie directed by someone who's not fit to offer him a fresh towel in an upscale bathroom is far more disturbing to me than a 35 year old incident I only know of from decades-old heresay, and which all of the parties involved probably got over at least half that long ago.
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Since 1998 he's only done 3 Rush Hour movies? Is he a troublemaker and nobody wants to work with him?
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And other buggery lines. Why is AICN reviewing this streak of piss?
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Looks like Death won.
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Cmon guys.....everybody does it, you probably know somebody who does....but i'm not condoning it, just writing this huge freakin post about how he is being misrepresented for Statutory Rape. You freakin rationalizing apologist piece of garbage HE did it and now HE has to OWN it. Theres no such thing as justifiable statutory half rape no matter what the "ooh I can be famous for getting raped chick" says.
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that Quints' opinion on cinema has more weight than M-0-M & filmgenious, whom collectively are legends in their poor deluded minds. "I'm a film scholar" gimme me a break you fucktard...If Hollywood catered exclusively to you and M-O-M (and your pretentious taste) they would go broke. So stop with the "We're the arbiter(s) of good taste" and go get laid.
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Sure wuzz!
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Tucker does charity work in Africa, that's why he doesn't make many movies.
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...you're right, my comments do sound like apologist rationalizations, but I only intended to comment about people's tendencies -- especially on talkbacks like these -- to comment with reckless abandon -- authority even -- based on heresay and with little to no knowledge of the subject. You know as well as I do that many of the talkbackers here only learned of some guy named Roman Polanski and his criminal behaviour WHILE READING THIS VERY TALKBACK, and are now commenting with the conviction of a Polanksi historian, or one of the investigating officers. It's easy to take someone's attempt at objectivity and label them an apologist or accuse them of defending the indefensible. I can let the cheap name-calling pass (your comment would have been even more valid if you could've managed to keep it in check, though) but I have to point out that -- to the best of my knowledge -- the "ooh I can be famous for getting raped chick" actually still maintains her anonymity. I look forward to your next cheap expression of animosity. It takes a special talent to assess an individual's character with so little go on. Good for you.
Oh, am I supposed to be a Baby Boomer or a Career Politician? Maybe that was just too clever for me. Or was that just like a rallying cry that you put at the end of everything you write (I actually agree with it, but you're so hostile that I wish I didn't)? -
thanks, BMW. This shows what a consummate juvenile idiot Ratner is. I will never pay to see anything that this man works on ever again. And yes, I do blame him for X3 - he was part of the problem. His directing made a bad situation worse. And the only reason he did it is that he's a freakin' whore.
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I’m on the non-surplus side here, I guess. I LOVED the two “Rush Hour” films thus far.
And I have no doubt this film will be just as funny (and I’ll be back here to say if it was and even if it wasn’t).
They’re funny movies. Funny, funny, funny. I’m not gonna strain my brain, “deciding” even, what is funny, what isn’t.
If it’s legal and it’s funny (to me), I’m gonna laugh out loud. Bills are paid, I don’t’ do drugs or alcohol, pay my taxes, studied hard, got the job, own what needs to be owned – and I laugh at movies that make me laugh, genuinely. THIS makes me a moron? I mean, this is what I’m hearing.
While I’m going off, I am genuinely sick o’this “’Transformers’ sucked” bull$#!@7. Oh, yeah, that film was SO utterly terrible, boo-hoo. Like those same guys aren’t gonna watch the sequels. Those guys can do a better film? Then stop posting and do the damn film – where there’s a will there’s a way.
Really, really don’t mean to start anything here, but, as it goes with most “this will suck,” “[insert name of director here] sucks,” “f*&k _______, _________, ________, _________, __________, ________, and most of, f*&k ________” about a film, on this board and many others, I don’t seem to see any comparisons.
So, I ask out of curiosity, those of you who have already judged this film and have honestly judged the series (hope you’ve seen those at least to make a sound judgment), just what DOES the heck make you laugh? I mean, really laugh out loud in the theatre, hell with the embarrassment and stuff?
C’mon. Say. Honestly.
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Which is why there WILL be a Rush Hour 4..."lock it up"
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then he deserves a lot of respect, regardless of how good or bad "RH3" is.
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We don't live in a Communist country. Of course he did it for the money...And why not. The producers gave him a timeframe, he accepted and shot the damn movie. If you're going to blame anyone then blame the producers. Was he suppose to do it for free!?! The movie made a shit-load of money, so obviously a lot of people enjoyed his/their(s) efforts. So stop pretending that movie-making is suppose to be some noble altruistic politically correct artform. Its' only purpose is to entertain and generate loads of cash so it can cover saleries and extravagant livelyhoods for the rich & shameless and in the interim they (the moguls) can produce smaller high-brow pretentious (tax writeoff) fare to placate fucktards like M-O-M and his ilk. So for the sake of humanity, stop pretnding that you don't have a price in which you'd indenture yourself to make an obscene amount of cash. EMBRACE CAPITALISM! IT'S THE AMERICAN WAY!
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sorry for sounding so hostile..its just my belief that when people start painting things into a grey area it than becomes easier and easier to paint everything in those colors and all responsibility for ones actions is lost.. And as for my insults, you may not agree with what he did, but you DID spend a lot of time coming up with an argument to dissolve all the criticisms so you have to have some sort of attachment to the subject, So I had to bash you...no real hatred because opinions are yours and mine...
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He's busted his ass his whole career, and will probably barely be able to walk by the time he's 60. Let him have a couple big Hollywood paydays. Doesn't he deserve that much?
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"...committed -- I believe -- statutory rape."
No, he was willing to confess if he was only charged with statutory rape.
"He didn't anally violate anyone."
He has never denied it.
"He didn't drug and attack a little girl and force himself on her."
Really? You seem awfully sure for somebody who later says he wasn't there, and gets a lot of facts wrong.
"and the woman who was that thirteen year old girl has actually spoken out recently in defence of him"
If you read what she actually said, you will be surprised how far people have to bend it to say that she defended (or forgave, as some claim) him. she just said that he should now be allowed back in the country. Pretty weak defense.
And, if you're going to use that interview as part of his defense, I will point out that in the same interview, she states that the sex was not consensual. So if you're citing that interview, I will cite it to overturn your false claim that he did not force himself on her.
"(in fact, I believe that she brought some legal action against Vanity Fair for claiming that she had made some statements of condemnation against Polanksi that she hadn't)"
That's just not true. The Polanski/Vanity Fair libel incident had nothing to do with this.
"This isn't to condone Polanski's actions which were -- let's face it -- illegal."
I, personally, could care less about legality. His possession of Qualuudes was illegal. Him dosing her with the Qualuudes, in order to get her to have sex with him, was far beyond illegal. Politely, I will say "immoral".
"It's important to remember, though, that this was a completely different era from now."
If you feel that circumstances can mitigate the anal rape of a 13 year old, go ahead and try. But "Everybody else was anally raping 13 year old girls after dosing them with Qualuudes" is a pretty poor defense.
"Polanski got caught doing what a lot of famous (and not famous) men and women were getting away with big time in those days."
In that case, there is nothing immoral about it at all!
"It was the post-sixties freelove era, with all the nonsense that entailed, including smoking pot (hardly a "drug") and seducing young people."
The drug he used was not "pot", it was "Qualuudes". and even pot -- but certainly Qualuudes -- is known to have long-term negative effects on 13-year-olds. That's a fact.
"Every other movie was about an aging coot played by someone like William Holden or David Jansen having it off with some waif of a hitch-hiking hippy chick."
Yes, just like when Clint Eastwood shot that guy, and everybody said, "Hey, he does it in movies, so it must be justified to do in real life!"
"The only reason anyone even found out about Polanksi's indiscretion was that the girl's mother overheard her telling a friend about it on the phone."
"anal rape of a 13 year old" = "indiscretion".
You should work for the Bush White House.
"you might ask yourself why this happened in Jack Nicholson's house."
it's because Roman Polanski never owned a home in the US, and thought it was a bad idea to bring a 13-year-old girl he was planning to drug and rape (at least statutorily; I can accept that he expected her to be willing) back to his hotel room.
"Jack claims he was "away" at the time. Well, wouldn't he say that? Or maybe it's true; I don't know and neither do you."
In point of fact, it is a simple thing to check. Nicholson spent two years or more in other countries, first in Mexico to shoot "Goin' South", and then in England to shoot "The Shining". Unlike you, I know the facts. The reason nobody has ever claimed Nicholson was there seems obvious, on the face of it; he not only was not there, but has easy proof that he wasn't. (I honestly don't know which movie he was shooting on that exact date.)
"The fact is, a lot of the people you admire and worship just because of some fictional character they played or invented or whatever are actually probably a lot weaker, meaner, more perverted or more evil than you could ever imagine."
Let me translate this: You can never judge a person for the actions that you know they committed, because it is likely that other people you might like have also committed bad actions.
Sounds like terrible logic to me.
"Hell, you'd probably kind of laugh at it or call him an "old dog" or whatever."
No, Brooce, you're the apologist here, not the people who are criticizing Polanski.
"Also, although I haven't seen Rush Hour 3, I have seen the trailer, and I'm positive that the "anal rape" joke is actually a cavity search joke"
Here, we agree.
"Once again, Polanski did not "anally rape" anyone."
I disagree. Everybody knows that he did it, but you must concede that he, at least, was accused of anally raping a 13 year old and refused his right to defend himself against the accusation.
"Oh, and I think Polanski is one of the most brilliant film directors to ever live."
I think he's up there. I, personally, think that he should not have been denied his Oscar based on the fact that he anally raped a 13 year old girl after dosing her with Qualuudes... but I do think that the standing ovation was a bit much.
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Sorry, that was a lot easier to read when I typed it and hit "Enter" in between each quote.
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Just to pinpoint one thing. Because if the audience loves it, it doesn't mean it's good. Is Hitler good ?
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Why is this movie getting any attention? Why is there by now three of them? Why does anyone even bother watching this shit? And why the fuck is it on AICN?!
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Firstly, kennofolds, I must express my appreciation for your gesture in replying to my comments. I understand the hostility. There's a lot of it going around. In return, I would like to clarify that I do not include your Babyboomers and career politicians line in my "cheap" shot.
And all I can say to Stanton is that you caught me red-handed using stale knowledge of half-remembered readings to make a point that got lost in the ugliness of a man's sexual exploitation of a minor and my seeming (yikes!) to be speaking out in defence of that. Please rest assured that this was not my intention! I spouted off the way I did in an attempt to contextualize the real situation somewhere away from the cartoonishly homophobic cliche of boys n' buggery suggested by the reviewer's interpretation of the movie gag. I have to admit to being very conflicted with someone whom I believe is massively talented but guilty of some seriously reprehensible behaviour. I also love a lot of Woody Allen movies, but he's just as creepy as Polanski, so there's probably a not-so-subconscious guilt connected with that, too. But I don't mean to change the subject. I can't try to make up a defense -- especially after coming down on kennofolds like that -- but I will humbly thank Stanton for his admirable restraint and honourable upholding of the point which I so windedly -- and misguidedly -- attempted to make, regarding the misinterpretation of a joke in a movie (involving -- I'd like to add -- a person who spoke english before Quint was even born). I sometimes leap before I look when something gets me uppity. I see a lot of just willful meanness and cheap hostility in the postings on here. People seem like they have more opinions than ideas. That probably sounds pretty hypocritical coming from me now, but I just really think we all have so frigging much to say about people we don't even know.
Anyway, you are right, Stanton: my facts were largely not. I can't defend that.
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Aug 07, 2007 4:37:53 PM CDT
Brett Ratner is the equivalent of the Utah mine owner
by bringingsexyback
They're both loons who are unqualified for their respective positions. Except the Utah mine owner never got a blowjob from a transvestite.
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That this was even made in the first place.
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You have bigger issues to contend with than going to the movies. I suggest that you pull away from the keyboard and go out and get a life, smoke a doobie, chase after some pussy, etc, etc, etc...You know gain a little perspective.
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Aug 07, 2007 5:29:20 PM CDT
Jackie! It's not too late to do Drunken Master 3!
by neil mccauleys crew
Yes it is.Way late.
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..Salma Hayck's cleveage in After The Sunset. And Chris Tucker's big bulging eye orbs looks like he's in a constant state of anal intrusion. Dude's smart though. Make 20 mil on RH2..wait 5 years..make another 20 mil on RH3. He must have the laziest agent in the world.
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Aug 07, 2007 6:03:00 PM CDT
I love the "directed by Brett Ratner" thing on every ad
by iamjack'suserid
...on TV. Yeah, like that will get people into seats. Ratner sucks, plain and simple. The RH movies are successful because of the cast and the writing, and have VERY little to do with Rattface. He was part of what made X3 the crap it is, and he hasn't really proven himself as anything other than a lucky dumbass with the mentality of a self-obsessed jock.
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Unless you like your movies fucking stupid in that case please smoke yourself infertile.
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Really?
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Aug 07, 2007 6:14:19 PM CDT
Samuel Fulmer thinks Rush Hour2 is better than Hot Fuzz
by transmetropolitan
please ban! please ban these idiots!
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Hot Fuzz was a triumph.
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and Rachel Weisz in general. But not even she could have saved Transformers, unless it turned into a porn movie in the third act. Of course, that makes me wonder . . . Transformers directed by Stephen Sommers? HE may have been the right man for the job. And no, I'm not a Michael Bay hater -- at least, not until the aforementioned giant robot movie. I mean, seriously, how can you screw up giant robots fighting each other? Well, somehow, Mr. Bay found a way. I am shocked and awed by how skillfully he did this.
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i will rent this.
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...spilled on a film by people who have no intention of seeing it anyway. Curious. I think I've caught maybe five minutes of the Rush Hour franchise on TV. Don't plan on seeing it; couldn't stand the way Tucker destroyed the Fifth Element. But I have no feeling for him or for the director. Whatever, dude. Just a movie, not a sign of the Apocalypse.
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It's called fucking manners. Quint's using "retarded" as a synonym for "stupid." It carries this meaning because people assume that when somneone is born mentally retarded that makes that person stupid. Nothing could be further from the truth. Just because so-called normal people are uncomfortable around retarded people doesn't mean they should be used as shorthand for dumbfucks.
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Yeah, we do. We get it. You're a wacky black guy. Now shut up.
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One of the functions of a critic is to shine a light on things deserving of out attention, items that may have slipped through, gone unheralded. Why bother reviewing a film like RH when there are actual movies out there that should be featured? I haven't seen on high-level review of SUNSHINE from this site. While the last act is regrettable, the film features some amazing imagery. And it's an actual science fiction movie, and it's not a freakin' sequel.
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We should all be so wacky...In fact, he's no more wackier than Jim Carrey bending over talking out of his ass and calling it comedy.
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I could see being forced to watch this at someone's house, and not totally hating it. I liked the part in one of them where Chan and Owen Wilson are taking a bath together at the whore house or something like that. That was one of these movies, right?
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That's Noon and Knights. Boh better than the Rush Hour films. Here's hoping Jackie will get to make the third one while he still has the moves.
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Because you've never heard of KNIFE IN THE WATER, REPULSION, CUL-DE-SAC or MACBETH, does it mean they don't exist? Stop embarrassing yourself.
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At least Jackie did other movies (liked Noon, hated Knights) AND also helped innumerable charity causes since Rush Hour. Being rich doesn't make Tucker funny, he just has a slick manager.Any chance they'll bring Ninja Warrior to the States? Love that show.
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Aug 08, 2007 12:30:01 AM CDT
Check this out ... some Jackie-inspired moves in the
by bringingsexyback
course .. http://tinyurl.com/34yzdv
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Hmm, gee, think maybe Brett knows something all of the "geniuses" here don't know?
Saying you don't like his movies is fine. Everyone is entitled to his opinion. But the ad hominem attacks and ridiculous assertion of opinion as fact is out of control here. If you guys could "hack" something one tenth as well as him, you wouldn't be here posting about it or writing articles on a website - you'd be out making millions of dollars in Hollywood like him. -
his life. He's got a great life, and he could give a damn what all these little peckers think. Having said that, he's a somewhat uninspired paint-by-numbers director. But he's a pretty good still photog. If you took a Ratner film and showed it to a room full of Ratner-haters and told them it was directed by someone else, they wouldn't be able to tell it was a Ratner film and might even like it. But all you have to do is slap his name on something and people want to lynch the poor bastard. He doesn't hold a gun against producers' heads to get them to let him direct movies. I won't tell your boss to fire you; why don't you get out of the man's business. Dislike his movies if they suck, but the ad hominem and irrational attacks have to stop. It's not polite.
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What I mean is "the audience liked it" is not a justification to like a movie and think it's enjoyable and good. Because the nazis were number one at the political box office, and everyone thought they were great. Until they woke up that is. So is Rush Hour the lowest, evil form of entertainment ? yes.
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Proof: http://tinyurl.com/2t2arx
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of course everyone would kill for his life. That's fucking obvious, and envy is nothing to be ashamed of. Someone once said (I forget who) that it isn't worth being angry over success, only overpromoted mediocrity.It doesn't change the fact that he directs crap.
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one of my pet hates is the use of humble before opinion. basically, it is a vile disingenuous condescending use of language. The speaker (poster) does not in any way think their opinion is humble, in fact quite the reverse, and by qualifying it in such a way is actually implying that not only is their opinion better than everyone elses but also they are a better person, because their opinion is humble. It's a prime twattish middle management (or politician)trick.
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Rosemary's Baby, Chinatown, Pianist, MAcbeth, KNIFE IN THE WATER, REPULSION, CUL-DE-SAC all probably would make it onto a best of film list. How many "great" movies do you need before you gain the accolade of great director? He's still a loathsome human being that should be in prison though.
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It's one of the seven deadly sins.
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and envy can be an inspiration. I don't care as I've already booked my seat on the express lift down to the big fire anyway. I'm sure heaven will be full of people I don't like.
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The express lift is too slow. They opened up a chunnel for you guys. Us Americans get stuck in traffic on our way down there because we don't believe in public transportation.
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purtanical. What Ratner does in his private is his business. His films is what he does for a living. Criticise them and not his personal life. sheesh. same for bay too. and please dont tell me that youre all being satirical.
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but unfortuantely the RMT called a strike, there's leaves on the line and the wrong type of snow and we are due to be arriving in hell in 4765 years (late). Or maybe hell is.... being stuck on BRITISH FUCKING TRAINS. envious of ratner. Well yes, not him personally, rather the fact that he is a hollywood director with shit loads of cash and a pretty peachy life.
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This casting is as perplexing as a nuclear wessel.
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Funny that I can't be trusted because of my Transformers review... because I never wrote one. Thanks for the misinformation.And about Polanski... I actually support him as a filmmaker and while no one can condone his actions, the context of what he did is much less severe than people assume. I think he's a brilliant filmmaker, which is why I was so shocked to see this joke in the movie.And yes, he never pulls his dick out and sticks it in Chan and Tucker's ass-cracks. It is a rectal examination... on two people who don't want it (of course) and we get Chan telling him to his face that "My Butt still hurts." If that wasn't on purpose than some crazy coincidences are going on.It's also ridiculous to accuse me of thinking people with accents are stupid. I just find it hard to believe that Polanski would knowingly make light of his past like that, especially in the context of a big, dumb studio comedy.
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in Snake in Eagle's Shadow. Damn you Brett Ratner.
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I've never really been a huge fan of Rape. To be quite honest, I haven't had any experience in the matter, so I didn't want to pass any judgment. Call it a hunch, but I always had a feeling that it having someone force themselves on me just for their own merriment- would not be a swell time. It was just a funny feeling I had though, and I wanted to keep my options open just incase it really did turn out to be a pretty decent gig. Well after years of wondering, I know now. What it feels like to have someone not care about what I thought, and to unleash their own will, regardless of mine. Simply just for no other reason but to put a smile on their face. I finally know how it feels now. Thank you Roman Polanski. I loved every second of it.
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but is also isn't big, and isn't clever. Especially when it will whip right over the heads of the intended audience, as they won't recognise Polanski or won't know about it. All it is is an asinine, hackneyed, shitty cavity search joke. Not Big and certainly not fucking clever.
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you are truly a cunt. Are you 13?BTW I kick tits is a fucking vile handle.
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Thank you. No. Thank you.
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maybe he could be a pediatrician and all the kids could come out counting their money. What? Why did those kids get money from their doctor??? Hey, that kid looks drunk! AH-HAHAHAHHAHAHA, hilarity ensues. They also should have OJ Simpson as a door-to-door knife salesman.
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That would've been killer.
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Chuckle when you picked your TB name?
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well, I kick trolls. You are nowhere near as big, tough, clever or sexy as you think you areFuck off back under your bridge.
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I took my little cousin to see underdog. I kid you not I enjoyed it more then spiderman 3.
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my concerns. The post in question was in response to that fucktard Memories-of-Murder and his supercilious assessment of Quints' review + all of his prior posts attacking anyone who doesn't subscribe to his/her cockeyed taste in cinema.
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I can't believe they made a 3 Rush Hour. I'm sure it will do fine in the box office, but I never really enjoy the movies. I mean, I laugh a few times, but its that kind of laugh that I don't enjoy.
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That's really bad. Who would have thunk it that someone would utter those words. For shame Sam, for shame.
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I don't expect you to give a shit about what I do or don't care about. I was attempting to point out why typing it makes the poster an asshole
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Fucking hell, Spiderman needs a reboot. Who'd have thought that would happen in 3 films?
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you're just as insufferable as that functional illiterate M-O-M...In fact, why don't you me a favor and go choke on your tea and crumpets...Cheerio!
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"Insufferable" from a "humble opinion" using twat. I am blessed. Any more pearls of wisdom or are you too busy beefing one out over the complete works of Jackie Collins?
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Barbara Cartland, you stiff upper-lip sperm-burper. Why don't you stick a Union Jack up your ass.
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But I am now. God bless you all.
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"big, tough, clever or sexy". You are assuming that I am not. You are absolutely right. Except for the clever part. And a little sexy, but really not that much. But as for the big and tough. Nope. I am scrawny and thin. I am 135 lbs.
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In 1977, Polanski drugged a 13-year old girl and sodomized her, that's the joke.
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Polanski did it himself. And then he became a chicken hawk. The only thing that will suck in Rush Hour 3 will be Polanski's appearance. As for the rest, Tucker is a hero. He doesn't need to make a lot of movies to earn some money unlike some other actors that demand 20 million per role. I don't believe for a second he will suck in RH3. I hate to admit that he is carrying Chan in the Rush Hour movies but it's the truth. And Chan should be glad, that Tucker and he made some good money. The rest of Chan's US movies stink.
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The movie knew who it's audience was, kids loved it, parents seemed to enjoy it, I thought I would be bored to tears, of course it's not a great movie. But I was entertained throughout, as much as a film made for kids can entertain an adult. It was focused, the movie kept moving, and again it knew who it was targeting. So in that sense yes I got more out of Underdog then Spiderman 3. Which as a fan of the comic angered me, and as a movie was a total mess not knowing what it wanted to be.
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Jackie said he didn't really like Tucker during the first movie, then became friends in the second, and now they're brothers. It was sweet and I got choked up..in a total masculine way. Rush Hour is one of those movies that people like and have fun with when it comes out yet call it a piece of shit years later. Why? I don't know. Do people have Ratner now for no reason at all? The first two movies are fun.
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I totally hear what you are saying. Lack of focus in a movie is never a good thing, and since Spidey was always my favorite comic growing up, it was very sad to see how the third one was mishandled. I have to say I much prefer Sky High over Spidey 3, which was another kid friendly flix.
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doesn't do a proper head count while herding special-need children on the retard bus. M-O-M, if you weren't anymore lost, your face would end up on the back of a milk carton. For someone who's so mentally challenged, how did you wind-up so pompous and superior? I almost feel guilty pointing out your below average IQ. Get a clue son.
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...at some of you!, this is RUSH HOUR 3!, what are you expecting?....the next Godfather!. This film isn't supposed to be anything other than a couple of hours of dummed down entertainment and regardless of what people think of the target audience, they DO understand what they are paying to see. If the Rush Hour films were sold as 'oscar worthy' films then maybe i could understand peoples hatred but they are not so whats the damn problem!, if you don't like it then don't pay to god damn SEE IT!. Sigh.
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Transformers being raped by a Hollywood Hack. Ooooooooooh!
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Was terrible. So what if it was "Miami Vice"ey, it was the fuckin' eighties. Neither film ends exactly as the book does (although Ratner's ending comes the closest without, but still no Will Graham in the hospital from the knife in his cheek). The unedited version of Manhunter is great (shitty cuts aside). The expanded ending where Graham visits the next family to be victims is shocking then totally cool. Most of the actual dialogue is taken from the book. Ratner's version is dumbed down and edited for mass market appeal and to give Anthony Hopkins a much bigger role than what was in the book. If you have never read the book, check it out, one of the most well-written books of modern popular fiction that does not read as a self-help book in disguise (Oprah Book Club bullshit).
All the bullshit that Chan and Tucker are "brothers" has to stop. Back when this film was in development, Chan said in a number of interviews that the movie will never get made because Tucker is too greedy and too demanding (wanting final cut). For a guy who has done six films in his career to get top billing over Chan in many of the ads is fuckin' weak. Chan and Tucker have been appearing on talk shows a day after the other, never together (Regis and Kelly, recently). The studios know that this "brothers" shit will help people forget Tucker's bullshit. Eddie Griffin could have been in that role and done the same with it, and I fuckin' hat Eddie Griffin.
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MoM--
Your latest arguments against my contention that RH3 is a "good" and successful film if it seeks to be "fun" and achieves that goal is ridiculous. You argue that "fun" is subjective and think that's a valid argument against what I wrote--which it is not! The reason being that the designation "good" is equally subjective. What one person thinks is "good" is not what another will think is "good." (You are actually trying to type "good" movie, not "god" movie, right?).
All art is subjective. I'm not sure how you could extrapolate what I wrote into my having an exclusive preference for "hedonistic bullshit." And I will vigorously argue that I have the right to like "fun" films like RH, Popeye cartoons, or The Ghost and Mr. Chicken as well as the films of Welles, Kurosawa, and Chaplin, etc. The fact that you would assume my stated fondness for escapist, mainstream films such as RH precludes my enjoyment of "quality" films speaks powerfully to your obvious immaturity and lack of life experience.
And as for the “geek” and “self-respect” line being my problem and not yours—If I were you I wouldn’t let “the man” trick me so easily into categorizing myself as a “geek.” Think about it.
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I did not imply that Red Dragon hates Tucker, only Chan. Red Dragon and Tucker get along quite well, from what I understand.
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I meant to start with this: Manhunter is superior in nearly every way. Ratner's Red Dragon was terrible. Now enjoy.
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Tucker has done a total of ten movies. I double checked on IMDB. Jackie Brown shouldn't even fuckin' count. He was in it for two minutes in the beginning of the film.
Funny story: I saw Jackie Brown in the theatre when it came out. It was in Queens in a mostly black theatre. When he buys it two minutes in, nearly sixty percent of the theatre got up and walked out pissed. The trailers showed a lot of Tucker leaving many to assume, as did I, that he was a major character in the movie. I thought the movie picked up the moment he got killed. -
One of the problems is that this film is inteneded to appeal, largely to black audiences, just like the Segal/DMX team up and the Jet Li/DMX team up. Low on intelligence and focuses on a specific demographic. Tucker is tremendously popular so they know they have a core audience that will just have to see the movie. My wife is Chinese and she will definitely drag me to see this, but that is a totally different story. There is no need to be clever, smart or charming when your pull is the mere existence of the black character in the movie. It is not unlike stunt casting, a move only to draw in people, not punch up the story in any way. I agree with MOM that you can expect your movie to be entertaining art, that they are not mutually exclusive. To make films like Exit Wounds, Cradle to the Grave, Rush Hour 3, targeting the black moviegoers in that fashion is not unlike the "liquor stores and gunshops" in depressed minority neighborhoods. These studios seem to not demand much intellectually from the people that they target and that is offensive. I understand that for every "Silver Streak" there will be ten "Soul Plane"'s, but that does not mean that we should be satified with that. "Waist Deep", directed by Vondie Curtis-Hall is a popcorn, mindless flick, with a bit of noir thrown into it (not in the classical sense so film students don't kill me on this one). The action is mindless and the ending is Hollywood, but for all the action, the crime and violence is made to seem like a necessity instead of something to be proud of. Not a big Tyrese fan until he pulled out a rather subdued performance as a hood that is really not a bad guy, but in a bad circumstance. Not an Oscar contender (a bit of stunt casting with The Game, but he was good as the freaky villian type), but a movie that was more than just a "Get Rich or Die Tryin'" piece of shit. Hustle & Flow, another success story, but MTV Producitons no less.
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I've found with most cliches that they have more than a grain of truth to them, and I've seen more than enough to indicate to me that this has truth to it.
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You guys have got to check this out: http://www.avclub.com/content/node/64787
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I know it was insensitive. I wasn't trying to advocate Rape, or anything like that. Believe me- I would not be too happy if anyone I knew got raped. But that wasn't the reason I posted it. It's because people hate Roman Polanski. They really do. Everyone does. i see it all over. How could they not? And I am not saying what he was accused of was not a terrible thing. But... well, I don't care who you are. You can be a Rapist, a Murderer, a Republican, a Scientologist, or the Pope... it doesn't make any difference, you are still a human god damn being just like the rest of us. And to be Roman Polanski- a person who has so much animosity towards him, and so much hatred. Well I am sorry, I just gotta have a ton of respect for a guy who can say "Oh you hate me?" "WELL FUCK ALL OF YOU." I don't care. He may have done something wrong, but that will never change. He did what he did and there is nothing that can ever change that. He will have to live with the detest everyone has for him for as long as he lives. Whether it was warranted or not, I really just gotta love a guy who can say: I just don't give a shit.
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Please don't make blanket statements about the intelligence of THE BLACK MOVIE AUDIENCE. You are aware that RH1 did about $156 million domestically & RH2 did over $230 million domestically. To my knowledge a predominately black cast movie has never grossed over 80 million let alone $100 million, so that would lead anyone of reasonable intelligence to believe that the RH franchise was marketed and promoted across all racial demographic lines...Which by your reasoning would lead me and everyone else who enjoyed the RH franchise thus far to have below average IQs'. Btw, out of curiosity, why was your chinese wife exempted from your (obvious) flawed social anthropological observations regarding the inferior taste/intelligence of her fellow minorities?
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Geez Louise, while I don't expect RH3 to be especially good, I'm so utterly sick and tired of all the bashing of Brett Ratner. What is it about him that pisses you nerds off? That he's commercially successful? That he made some films with Chris Tucker? That he doesn't try for any auterist wankery (Shyamalan and Bay, I'm looking at YOU)?
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No worries, man. We can't all agree with everything. What fun would movies be without the different points of view. Vern's my favorite writer on the site, too. I find I disagree with him a lot, but that doesn't keep me from enjoying his stuff.
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and you will pay 10 dollars to find out - so sad!
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Ender, most people who respond to someone else's argument with only "that's gay" as the basic retort, are usually picking someone else's goldmine with the bologna spike. Now, for the last time, get Glodene's dick out of your mouth as that is the only "tip" you should be concerned about directing.
Glodene, you missed my point entirely. I was talking about casting and how banking on a particular actor and directing the story a certain way. I never said that the Rush Hour films were not cross-marketed. I believe I gave exemplars of what has basically been stunt casting. How did I exempt my Chinese wife? I was not addressing marketing to the Chinese community, was I? So, do you classify all minorities in one group? Caucasion and not-caucasion. Or did conveniently gloss over that in your attempt to flame me. My point is the studios underestimating the intelligence of the audience, particularly black audiences in certain mainstream films. You impune, upon me, an opinion that minorities have inferior tastes. I was addressing MOM's comment regarding what is missing in films like Rush Hour and other crap that pulls in a lot of money when it does have to be that way. I took it in a different direction focusing on a small part of how the studios reflect their underestimation of a particular cross-section of the population.
As far as high grossing black vehicles: Beverly Hills Cop I and II, The Matrix Films had a decent black cast, particularly the sequels, have you every heard of Mr. 4th of July, Will Smith? Maybe you didn't when you were trying to figure out whether you used "social anthropological" correctly. I hope dad had the answer for you. Now wipe your man-juice off of Ender and go do some book-learnin'. Reading comprehension is an area I would focus on. -
Just to clear up my comments about Ratner films in general. I don't hate them. Quite a few have disappointed me. I liked the first Rush Hour and, against all that is holy, X3 even with that crap script. I did not like Red Dragon, but I agree with an earlier post that he has a slick shooting style. He just kind of a dick.
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fucktard. One black actor does not a black movie make. Need I remind you BHC 1 - 3 only had Eddie Murphy w/the exception of Theresa Randle in an inconsequential role in the third. Now if you would've brought up Harlem Nights or Boomerang (who both under performed B.O. wise) you would've had a semi-valid point. Will Smith w/the exception of Bad Boys 1 & 2 has been the lone negro in his summer box office fare. I'll give you Bad Boys because obviously when you see two black male leads in the same movie, you probably (on a subconscious level) consider it urban. How you can consider ID4 or MIB, (Hell even Hitch) a black movie says a lot for your clueless bigotry...And yes your chinese wife is in the same category for the simple reason (nay, fact) that her race is severely under-represented in the Hollywood casting pool. As far as my using "SOCIAL ANTHROPOLOGICAL", it was in reference to your earlier post, sharing your "Bullshit" Jackie Brown story, which i find dubious considering that the marketing and trailers never alluded to the fact that Chris Tucker was a major factor in said movie. Now who's insulting the intelligence of the "BLACK MOVIE AUDIENCE"? Seems to me that in you telling that bullshit story, you were merely using it as a platform to quantify your expertise as the enlightened social anthropologist studying the viewing habits/reaction & behavior of the black movie viewing public. I suggest that you dare to be different and venture out of the protective womb of the suburbs and get a fucking clue you monkey. As far as i'm concerned, you're just a step above the Homo-Habilis in the evolutionary chain.
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I hate to agree with Glodene, but he's spot on on this one. Googly, your talking mince, complete mince. colour has nothing to do with a film being stupid.
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I think you've forgotten Gilbert R. Hill (the best swearer of all time) a.k.a. Inspector Todd. "Is that fuckin' Foley in here?" Oh, and on it's best day RH2 wishes it could be as good as BHC2.
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Mem of Murder I'm just not getting through to your ass
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..and after this I'm gonna stop trying. Nothing in art is absolute except to facist absolutist idiots who think their opinon is the only one that counts, no matter how myopic or ill-informed it is. All this is a matter taste and personal preference.
As to your "honorable" list, I agree that Raiders was a great combo of old fashioned pulp and modern day wit. But I'm of the opinon that Conan was a total piece of shit in every way (except set design).
So, as you see, we agree in one area, but not another. And I also agree with the idea that combining genre conventions with intelligence can make for very good films--but the genre conventions have to come from somewhere! There have been millions of films made and only a relative handful are universally considered "great." Take those few out of the equation and we're back to personal taste alone as the scale of "good" ness.
So, in conclusion, I love Godzilla and Bergman; Corman and Welles; Don Knotts and Olivier. I think they all mean "good," though admittedly differing, film experiences.
You have your own ideas,and you've right to them. You jumped my ass for my opinons and you have a right to do that. It is my right to argue intelligently that you are fucked in the head in your immature, masturbatory, idiotic opinons, and equally your right to totally ignore my reasonable assesment of your pathetic ass.
Your friend in Jebus--
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Currently, it's a dead-heat between you and AnimalStructure for the largest windbag cunt on AICN.Place your bets!
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... you just pulled into the fucking lead.Dude, seriously...what the fuck is wrong with you?!
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Good lord... you're insane.Anybody that walks around with that large a hard-on for Michael Bay or Bret Ratner is hiding a deep dark secret.You sir, not only protest too much, but surely have life-sized blow-up dolls of both Ratner & Bay that you make love to every night. And when you're done, you cry yourself to sleep wondering why no one understands you.I think the point here is that you have none. That and you're a nutbag.
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had deep reservations about M-O-Ms' sanity. I think my man has a combination of Tourettes, Dyslexia, Bi-Polar, Delusions of Grandeur, Dementia and plain ol' stupidity...And where's that Special Ed bus driver that mentioned yesterday? He needs to pickup M-O-Ms', i'm sure his parents must be worried sick with him wandering around without his meds. I hope he has his name sewn on the back of his tee shirt. Poor thing.
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..does anyone know who helped finance Ratner's short film while he was attending film school? Yup, Mr Exec Prod of Transformers, Steven Spielberg.
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If Spielberg was willing to help finance Ratboy (as you eloquently put), he obviously saw some potential in him as being a viable and commercial film maker...And considering his B.O. returns, it would appear that ol' Stevie wuz right. RECOGNIZE!
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Or so it seems.
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Sweet! If you can reel in AnimalStructure, we'll have the unholy MOM - AnimalStructure - ImpulseCaper Blowhard Trifecta!
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This talkback belongs in the AICN time capsule. By the way, what ever happened to SirBiatchReturns? I think when this is all over, he and Memories-of-Murder should get an apartment together.
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He was amusing.
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toys in the attic. Someone must have strewn all of his marbles awaaayyyy.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, if you've ever wanted to watch a human brain MELT right before your eyes, then look no further.I give you... Memories-Of-Murder.
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Seriously, M-O-M, go buy a hooker or something. Release that pressure valve, man! I don't say that to be insulting, just do something before you blow a freakin' gasket.
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you think he's gone but he pulls himself back in...incredible.
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O.K apologies to glodene and mr nice gaius but i gotta let this one fly for poops and giggles. M-O-M BATMAN BEGINS WAS SHITE, I MEAN REALLY SHITE I MEAN I WALKED OUT OF TRANSFORMERS AND THOUGHT TO MYSELF "OH WELL AT LEAST IT WASN'T BATMAN BEGINS" I'M TALKING PHANTOM MENACE LEVELS OF SHITE HERE! SMART ENTERTAINMENT? DUDE GET A CAT SCAN!
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Just because of a movie. Wonder how bad it is for him in the real world.
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MOM said that he had the balls to say shit about people to their face. What face? We don't know who you are and you don't know who we are. You haven't told shit to anybody. You wouldn't say shit if Ratner or Bay would knock on your door this minute. Unless maybe you had at least a six pack in you. So stop drinking that Hateorate and go fuck yourself.
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this tussle between M-O-M and others is starting to get zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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as his doppelganger filmgenious and proclaimed himself to be a film scholar and then called me a philistine. I will always treasure that as his greatest (yet) feeble display at trying to validate one of his insane rants. Whatta rube.
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You know what this TB needs? ... wait for iiiiit ...
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Or others. And then, his neighbors would say, "He seemed like a nice guy. Kept to himself, mostly. But god help you if you ever mentioned Brett Ratner or Michael Bay and didn't include an insulting pun on their names."
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elitism. It's sooooo difficult being smarter than all you effin' idiots that M-o-M just can't take it sometimes. And so M-o-M needs to remind all of you shit-lovin' craphole lickin' degenerate fun-lovers that true cinema is better than just plain ol' movies.
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For the sake of all things celluloid.
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somebody in another TB already said it better: Chris Tucker was "the Jar Jar Binks of Fifth Element" I would just add that his FE performance was his best, least fingernails-on-blackboard annoying, and he has only gotten worse.If you have seen one Tucker performance, you have seen one too many.
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Cheers to ya, sir.I see you are having fun stirring up the easily-stirred-up, here.Gotta find some way to pass the time until new BSG arrives....
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and Shia LeMadCow.
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How're about us starting a "LETS' GET MEMORIES OF MURDER" LAID Fundraiser. We can set up a Pay Pal account, collect a couple of Thousand dollars and take his sexually frustrated ass to that Bunny Ranch Ho House that has its' own show on HBO. Ain't nuthin' like a $ 2000.00 piece of pussy to set thangs right...Cuz Lawsy knows that boy ain't right. He needs sum' pussy in tha' worst way!
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if we rammed a funnel up M-o-M's ass we couldn't pour anymore shit into it...even if some of what M-o-M says is correct in some abstract sense, still full o' shite. It's leaking out.
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so stop being a fake, yet self-righteous cinéphile. At least until you can spell properly titles of movies you probably didn't even watched.
Oh, and I bet the compound on your head. Don't disappoint me. -
but for the sake of this legendary TB, I wish you accept Master Card.
I'd rather help him got laid with a real human being than spend these 10 bucks in RH3, anyway. -
I have to watch either RH 3 or Stardust, which should I choose, and why?
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De Niro, Pfeiffer, Vaughn, Gaiman on one side.
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his earlier postings as filmgenious from yesterday. It's a crack-up. Oh well signing off for a while. gotta turn in some dvd rentals CIAO!
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Your comeback was...my comeback you weak fuck. Nice to attack my wife directly, though you talkback toughguy. You need not worry about me, she would kick the living shit out of you with her nunchuck studded dildos.
Glodene and other limited intellects of the same ilk: my post was a comment on a reason why movies like rush hour was weak, not that the reason I stated is the only fuckin' reason it is weak. MOM's original post about giving the audience more credit at popcorn flicks is where it came from...Jesus. It was not just about race, but that is all you can get your head around. As far as Jackie Brown Story, I will defend it's truth until the day I die. Glodene, you find out who that will smith guys is yet? -
When you actually make it to an urban area, let me know. You'll be in for quite a surprise. Obviously, let me reveal to you that Queens happens to be one of the five boroughs of the City of New York. So, how many black actors do you need to make a film a black film? Is that not a stereotype to require a predominantly black cast and a plot that only revolves around the black experience? Is robocop not a robot cop movie because there is only one robot cop in the movie (purposely being a dick there, but hey, flame me for it)? You can appeal to a cross-section by not talking down to it. For a guy that considers himself so fuckin' smart, why do you seem to demand so little from your movies? Why is everyone so hot on MOM? I must admit, the last nine posts kind of lost me (especially the yoda-style-syntax explicatives). I nearly died when I spoke with my brother after seeing transformers and he told me it was one of the best films he had ever seen. He put it on par with Batman Begins. I could have fuckin' punched him. I did not expect much out of transformers before I saw it and was still disappointed. Not to the bullshit "didn't stick to the original cartoon" nonsense. It was a really dumb story, a power rangers movie caliber story. I enjoy the good with the bad, but this was just lame. I hope John Turturro took a shower after that movie...he is one of the greatest talents in Hollywood reduced to a MIB parody. Disgusting. MOM's opinion is not wrong, just different than everyone else's. Fuck off if you can't handle someone speaking their mind, especially against Ratner and Bay. One man's art can be another man's bomb. But, when nearly everyone agrees that Ratner and Bay are mostly bullshit and put out mindless shlock, why is it outrageous to expect more considering the amount of money being spent on these movies? I also feel that blaming Ratner and Bay for everything fucked up in these movies is a stretch. They are like hockey goalies. The whole team may have fucked up, but it is still the goalie that the puck got past and you can't help but point the finger at him for the most part.
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I'm the one that you're angry with...So why are you going after Ender? By your own admission, you stated that she (your wife) could take care of herself with those exotic sextoys. Why use her as an excuse not to confront me, instead of lurking about, waiting for me and "THE OTHER LIMITED INTELLECTS OF THE SAME ILK" to sign-off? Awww, who am I kidding asking these silly rhetorical questions that you and I already know the answers to. Our last encounter left you a little shaken and probably stripped a few layers from your (already suspect) self-esteem. You had all day to respond to your detractors, but the bitch that you are decided to take the path of least resistance and rear your punk-ass when everyone decided to move on to other priorities. Say what you will about M-O-Ms', but at least he was man enough to stand his ground (no matter how flimsy that ground was) I respect that...But what do you do? You crawl from under your puss-bucket and thump your chest and attack someone who's only crime was to choose a side that wasn't yours. You know what your flaw is sir? - You are a fucking liar! You professed to dislike Chris Tucker, but yet you stated during your "bullshit" Jackie Brown Fantasy that you went there under the notion that Chris Tucker was going to play major part in the movie...If you have such disdain for Chris Tucker, why in the hell would you go? - But we know the answer, now don't we. - YOU'RE A FUCKING FAN! But like the sheep that you are, you allowed yourself to get swept up in all this "ANTI RATNER & TUCKER FANBOY KNEE-JERK HYSTERIA"! Btw, not to add insult to injury, but I would be remiss if I didn't confess to one of my shortcomings, but you just got pscho-analyzed by a high school dropout. - How's that for an esteem booster? Goodnight Mr. nicegoogly, but all this typing has taxed my limited intellect pass its limit. - Time to smoke a doobie, brush my teefus and go to bed. Make sure to give the mrs. a big sloppy tongue kiss for me. NIGHT NIGHT.
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I can't hate on you brother. Fight the good Fight and just maybe you'll rescue us "HEATHENS & PHILLISTINES" from our insatiable appetite for mediocrity. (Doubted), but hope springs eternal. It also appears that when my g.f. iterupted me from responding to nicegooglys' initial post he slipped one past me dammit. Ah well, no biggy. His response was nothing more than a feeble display of ego-defense.
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Goaddinmt!!!
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I really need to go to bed, but this shit sooo entertaining.
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Have a goodnight. I'm going to bed (for real this time)
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that shit was hilarious. They should turn it into a TV show, really.
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What an amazing display of intelligence, eloquence and quality control!
Oh, and Ratner's student film is possibly the worst thing I've ever seen (if it's the one on the RH1 DVD). Today, he's some hollywood big shot. Go figure. -
"my money on my mouth"? You should really calm down before you write your rants because they are very hard to understand.
The first Bourne film was pretty fucking weak. Boring for the most part and not that exciting and had a predictable story. The second one was better. Haven't seen the third one.
Batman Begins was good and so was Spiderman 2.
On the other hand Rush Hour 1 and 2 were perfectly fine, entertaining timewasters that expected nothing from their viewers and the viewers expected nothing from them other than Jackie Chan kicking ass and see shit blow up. There is nothing more to it. It's the same reason I want to see Transformers, not because of Bay. I want to see robots blow shit up from time to time. Does that make me a moron? Do I return my Jodorowsky box set or my Bava box set? Or am I not worthy of enjoying Days of Heaven?
It's not "proper" entertainment VS "Shit" entertainment just because you say so. It's all matter of taste and not intelect.
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Update your fucking program Harry. It's been like this for almost a decade now. Jesus. I've seen life forms evolve faster than this message board.
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You are looking for a fight you simply can't finish. At the end of the day, exactly what are you defending? Ratner? Bay? Next you are going to say that the $500 million spent on Superman Returns was justified. Keep making it personal, it gets your argument everywhere, really. It is was so sweet of you to try and turn my sarcasm toward Ender around to defend him. You really are a great boyfriend. You really live for the talkbalk, huh? You are calling MOM crazy for taking a stand on the subjet matter, but all you manage is to make it personal. At the end of the day, Are you really defending this crap? Your mom's basement need and Xbox or Playstation to distract you from this agression you have toward people expressing an opinion. You are not wrong for saying I am wrong. You are wrong becuase you are a dick.
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Xiphos is right, you can do a little (incredibly simple) research before stepping in a theatre and saying "I've been hornswaggled by the studios, again!" Then again, you have to see something, regardless of the ads and the subject matter, in order to know how bad it is. I think this, too, is part of the movie going experience. There are movies that are fun to hate, fun to watch with friends because they are so bad etc...as big of a Jackie Chan fan that I am, I will see this movie. I am not expecting Batman Begins. I am not expecting even Spiderman 3. The real problem with crap movies is the money spent on them. Studios are a business and they will take the gamble on films that fill the seats. El Gordo hit that nail on the head--entertainment is what you get out of it. I loved the movie Deep Rising. Not even a Glorified B movie, just a B movie with a wide release when it came out. The acting is wooden, the scheme of the human bad guy is preposterous and the special effect were over the top. Fun as hell. I am not going to defend it as good cinema. Although I expect more from my entertainment, and, I am sure people like Ender and Glodene expect more from their entertainment just as MOM does. It does not mean it has to be high brow to be entertaining at all. I love to watch Americas Funniest Home videos of people falling down stairs and getting a ball/2x4 to the face and/or groin etc... Piss myself every time. It is a totally base and idiotic form of entertainment, but I am entertained. One great thing about this message board, other than using it to bash Harry, is that you do give a shit about your entertainment if you are posting about it. Right or wrong.
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Glad you checked it out. I haven't seen a Talkback meltdown like this in quite awhile.
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You are, without a doubt, one of the biggest oozing sores that's managed to inflict itself upon this site in a Troll's age. Either you're joking or you've just escaped an insane asylum after a recent labotomy.In reference to your "dare", I've never seen a RUSH HOUR movie. In fact, the only films by Ratner that I've seen are RED DRAGON and X-MEN 3. I found RED DRAGON to be lifeless and not worthy of its superior predecessor, MANHUNTER. X3 was just another wanting entry in an uneven series of films that have (IMHO) lost their luster.Same with Bay. I've seen THE ROCK, ARMAGEDDON, and TRANSFORMERS. I'm not a big fan of Bay but I found these flicks to be fun in their own right. Who knows if I'll ever see another one of his movies.BATMAN BEGINS - I loved it; thought it was great. I think Nolan is on the right track.BOURNE Trilogy - I've only seen the first; don't know if I'll see the others.SPIDERMAN 2 - Cinematic fluff. I don't even remember what it was about. Therefore, it failed.Anyway, my point is three-fold:1. All of these movies pale in comparison to the cinematic marvel that is BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA. That's entertainment. If you don't get what I'm driving at, you're a bigger loser than you appear.2. Movies are a matter of personal taste. Nothing more. Your superior attitude about this is hypocritical in the extreme.3. You're insane.
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....to make just one post with good spelling and grammar. It's hard to paint yourself as the true intellectual you fancy yourself to be when your posts resemble a 3rd-grader's.
And you can stop throwing around the word "apologist" like it actually means something. I loved Batman Begins, the Bourne movies, and Spider-man 2. I also loved Transformers and even enjoy the Rush Hour movies for what they are. Guess what - I'm not apologizing. I'm perfectly happy to enjoy all types of movies, and ignorant faux-elitists like you do nothing more than make me laugh. -
RH3 Talkback. The saga continues.
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But you yourself claim that there is only "Proper" entertainment and then "Shit" entertainment and that all who love the latter are morons. That would make you a self proclaimed expert on all things proper. Remember that movier ARE entertainment first and foremost, that's what they were invented for, to pass the time. It wasn't untill later that it was considered an artform and even today people argue about that. You say that if the director has a vision then you are OK with the films that they produce. Well I'm pretty sure that Ratner had a clear vision on what he wanted this movie to be. Entertainment, nothing more, nothing less. What deeper meaning would go in a Chris Tucker/Jackie Chan movie? Movies like this have one purpose and one purpose only, to entertain the masses in the most commercial way possible. And that's the vision of the filmmaker and for that, by your standard, you should respect that. You might not like it but you should respect that and not calling those who enjoy those types of films morons. People who flock to see these films are not film fans. They have nothing better to do and you shouldn't disrespect them for that.
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Must. See. This. Retarded. Flick.
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Hooray to SNL.
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there was no "real" challenge. All we got was a guy who was typing away furiously about how bad Ratner and Bay are. Nothing else. Maybe if you hadn't come to this talkback, gone apeshit, and presented something worthwhile your argument(s) would have held some water. Too bad. Better luck next time with a meltdown.Still hard to believe that one movie can turn someone crazy.
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I haven't seen the film, but I'd say Mori's harsh comments are right and what's interesting about this piece of shit, is it would've cost New Line (inclusive of marketing and film print costs) a ridiculous $US 200 million to make. Tucker (who lazily hasn't done any other films since RH1 and RH2) got paid $US 20 million and is also getting 20 % of RH3's profits, Chan also got paid $US 20 million and director Brett Ratner got paid $US 7.5 mill. That's almost $US 50 million just on their 3 fucking salaries, plus the film apparently cost $US 130 million to make.
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It was a joke really. Also, I'm not American. Sorry if I caused any offence. While I could never feel as strongly about it as you do, in my opinion you were right that RH3 was a piece of shit.
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What?
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Ah, thanks for clarifying; I appreciate it. I'm actually quite a fan of your fearless, brazen style, too. Cracks me up.Steady on, lad.
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It's moronic that anybody would even care about this crap franchise or Brett Ratner's crap moviemaking. The guy has never made anything more than marginally entertaining. He's a well financed traffic cop directing shit. He's unable to lift his material above its predictable station. So why the interest in his work? And as for Jackie Chan, not only did he stop doing all his own stunts years ago, he hasn't made a decent film in a decade.
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What a spectacular piece of crap. More watchable than either of the other Rush Hour films, if only for it's disregard for context or motivation, it's rampant misogyny and the strange Polanski cameo.
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