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Quint catches up on Disney's PRINCE CASPIAN and WALL-E panel at Comic-Con!!!

Published at: Aug. 1, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST by quint

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. Comic-Con ended two days ago, but it seems like it’s still going on. I guess this is how Vietnam vets feel. Some part of me somewhere is still running around that floor, trying to figure out how I can watch the Sony panel and interview the director of WALL-E at the same time. I was able to post up my Rogue/Focus panel thoughts before I left San Diego and now is when I catch up on the last of the panel coverage I have. I still have at least 6 interviews to post (watch tonight for two of them) and those will all be up by this weekend. I’m going to start with Disney panel on Narnia and Wall-E. I saw all of the PRINCE CASPIAN stuff and most of the WALL-E stuff, but I had to ditch out in order to interview Iron Man. Let’s begin with Narnia. I’m not a fan of the LION, THE WITCH AND THE WARDROBE as a film. It’s not insulting or anything, I just never connected with it. The visual style was so bright and obvious… there was nothing fresh in it for me, nothing exciting. So, I was at the Disney panel more for WALL-E and Pixar, but I have to say… I don’t know if my mind is changed in regards to the Narnia films, but I definitely enjoyed the Prince Caspian stuff. It seemed darker, more interesting… the approach to the effects seem much more real, less bright and new. There’s aging variations now with the creatures and with the structures of Narnia… I can’t overstate how drastically improved the creatures and sets looked.

Andrew Adamson and Ben Barnes (Caspian) joined the Con via a satellite hook up. Richard Taylor from Weta, Howard Berger from KNB, Dean Wright (VFX) and the costume designer and a producer were on the panel.

Bullet points- - As of Saturday, they were in day 106 of production, with 30 or 40 more to go. -Adamson said CASPIAN was a more difficult film to make because the book isn’t as linear as LION, THE WITCH AND THE WARDROBE was. -Release date is May 16th, 2008 -A lot has been made of Disney committing to make all 7 books. That’s been exaggerated a bit. The producer said that the plan is to make all 7, but only if the box office stays strong. If it does, then expect a new Narnia movie every May. That’s kind of a “no shit” brand of news. -The next movie up will be VOYAGE OF THE DAWN TREADER, production beginning in February. -Adamson will produce, but not direct further Narnia films. -They’re aging up a lot of the creatures. There will be a lot of variation now, instead of just one age type for all creatures. So, we’ll see young centaurs/dwarves/etc, old creatures, middle-aged… -They also spent a lot of time developing different fighting styles for the different races so you can distinguish them in battle better. -The VFX department is busier on this one with two large battles plus the River God from the end. -Effects-wise they’ve “learned from the last one,” and all involved say that Prince Caspian will be four times bigger than TLTW&TW. -The KNB crew shirt for CASPIAN has a darker centaur with a giant afro and “NARNIA” in a ‘70s disco font with a glitter border. How sweet is that? -Everybody that asked a question of the panel seemed to write for a different Narnia fansite. -The filmmakers displayed the Telmarine armor. Check it out:



The footage: They screened a pre-viz sequence and an edited together promotional piece. Pre-viz: It was mostly greyscale animation, but it started with Griffins flying the Pevensie children into a heavily guarded castle. Lucy, I think, was dropped onto one of the guard tower spires, just feet above a guard on look out. The guard hears something and edges around the parapet. The animatic had a very high angle on this, a bird’s eye view of Lucy peeking over the edge of the roof as the guard circles the spire below her. The angle changed to be close on the guard as he raises his weapon, sure something is there… there’s another sound, he turns and then is immediately grabbed by a Griffin claw around the head and pulled away. What surprised me about this footage is that it was pretty graphic. You had the Griffins joining the flight as well as the kids. Arrows flew. Kids were killing guards… and once in the castle you got other magical creatures… Dwarfs and mice (Reepicheep led two other mice with swords out) attacked. I could have sworn I saw Reepicheep slice one guard’s throat. He just kind of lowered himself down on a piece of string as the guard’s back was turned. The guard turned and out came the sword, slashing at his neck. Fuck that guy, I guess. That mouse is viscous! They also have a nod to LOTR in there as one of the dwarves is about to fall off the edge of the castle wall and one of the kids grabs him by the beard to keep him from falling off. This cute shit I don’t like much, but I’m glad it seems to be surrounded by a darker movie. I love seeing these fantasy flicks where children and teens kill the shit out of people. The promo reel that ran had some finished scenes. Nothing major, but the cinematography looked nice, the world worn. The red color of the Kingly armor was still cartoony bright, but in the context of the teen boy killing people… doesn’t bug me so much. The logo is much the same as the one from TLTW&TW, but the word “Narnia” is overgrown, weathered. If the final film is what is promised in this preview, then I’ll probably like it much more than I did the first film. I don’t demand much, just that these films don’t JUST cater to children and hardcore fans of CS Lewis’ book. My favorite part of the panel was when Howard Berger brought out an animatronic head. It gives you an idea of how much better these things look this time out. Kraken was able to grab some video with his camera. It’s a little blocky, but you get the idea… God, I love this side of movie-making… animatronics… I’ve always loved them.
WALL-E Now this one I had to leave before it was over, much to my chagrin. I saw most of the panel, though. Director Andrew Stanton (FINDING NEMO) and sound effects legend Ben Burtt (father of the Star Wars universe sounds –including the lightsaber and Vader’s breathing- as well as the sound design of INDIANA JONES’ world.) came out to talk about the newest Pixar flick. (And yes, I don’t know why Andrew Stanton looks like a zombie in the below picture… I know it’s the eyes, but I don’t know how they got that way… trust me, he had pupils when I interviewed him later).

So, I don’t know if this information was out there before the Con, but it was certainly new to me, but here are the biggest moments of the panel: -A new Pixar logo came on… really great… Luxo did his thing, jumping on the “I” but his light bulb burns out. He looks around, confused, and Wall-E rolls out, unscrews the burnt out light and replaces it. As he rolls back out of the frame, he knocks over the “R” in Pixar. He stops in front of it, drops a hatch and ducks his head down, making a squatty, boxy new “R” out of his body. After a beat, his eyes slowly peek over the top of his body, questioning... Really sweet. -The original concept for Wall-E: “What if mankind evacuated Earth and forgot to turn off the last remaining robot?” -Wall-E stands for Waste Allocation Load Lifter – Earth class. -He is made by a company called Buy N Large and they even have a website. -Consumerism and over-populartion has made Earth all but uninhabitable. A forced 5 year long evacuation of all humans leaves the Earth in the hands of these robots, who are there to clean up. Something goes wrong and nobody comes back. -At the time of this story, Wall-E is 700 years old. -Wall-E ends up going to space and finds one of the few remaining space cruiser type ships that holds the last of humanity. -Humans have depended on robots to do everything for them for so long that they have very little muscle and are all fatties that can’t do anything but lay down. They are essentially now a race of couch potatoes. -Wall-E falls in love with one the robots on this ship, a probe-bot called Eve. However, his love is a tragic one because he is the only robot that has found emotion, so his love is not returned. -Wall-E does speak (voiced by Ben Burtt), but he speaks in mechanical sounds. Stanton said, “I’m basically making R2-D2: The Movie.” I don't think the robots have traditional dialogue, but I'm guessing the people he meets up with in space might.

-Burtt took the stage to demonstrate how he’s bringing voice to the robots. He took many different mechanical sounds… the treads of Wall-E’s “feet”, the various bleeps and bloops, the compactor he is and the different servos that make that work… all that forms into dialogue. -Burtt did some live foley for us on the stage, but this is where I had to leave in order to catch my Robert Downey Jr. interview. As always, Pixar seems to be making another classic. I don’t know how these guys do it, but the little bit of production art they showed and the background Stanton and Burtt gave us had more heart and intelligence to it that 98% of films made. The ships look curved and smooth. No hard edges. Very white. Imagine Kamino from Episode 2 and you get a basic idea of the visual tone. I saw some production art of destroyed cities on earth, cars rotting, crumbled skylines sticking out of the earth like a corpse’s rotting teeth. There also seemed to be a piece of art that looked like Wall-E narrowly avoids some lava somewhere in the film. I also interviewed Andrew Stanton later this day and we talk much more about this flick. It’s a good interview so watch out for that. That’s about it. I have one more panel report to cover the last little nuggets from the Con, but this is it on the big stuff. Hope you enjoyed it! -Quint quint@aintitcool.com



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  • Aug. 1, 2007, 2:40 a.m. CST

    First

    by lost.rules

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    Second

    by lost.rules

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    Third

    by lost.rules

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    by lost.rules

    Victory is mine!

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Wall-e stuff here

    by LittleDudes

    http://tinyurl.com/26x39z

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 3:07 a.m. CST

    So excited for Wall-E

    by Evil Hobbit

    I like the Narnia books, but I think Adamson just isn't a very good director. He has no realy distinctive style of his own other then trying to goof around with the styles of others. This was particularly shown in the climatic battle in Lion. Not much heart to it. Oh well, we'll see :)

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Quint if that is where you left...

    by LeckoManiac

    Than you missed the best footage of the entire Con. Better than IRON MAN. The WALL*E footage was amazing. My single most anticipated movie of next year.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Quint, you missed the best part of the panel!

    by Rindain

    The 10 minute clip that renewed my hope and love for cinema.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 3:22 a.m. CST

    You Missed the footage?

    by Redfive!

    That was the best part,he basicly showed the first 10 mins of the film,it was AMAZING.I have a feeling this one is gonna blow it out of the water.I think i even enjoyed it more then the Iron Man footage.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Redfive and Rindain are correct

    by LeckoManiac

    Amazing footage. Bummer for you Quint.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 3:37 a.m. CST

    yeah, I suck

    by Quint

    why don't you guys write a little bit about it and let us poor saps that couldn't be there know what was shown?

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 3:58 a.m. CST

    A rundown of the Wall*E footage:

    by LeckoManiac

    The footage starts out with Wall*e in cube form He powers up to begin his day collecting trash. He stays in a room that is filled with some of the trash he has collected. Dolls, christmas lights, stuff like that. He has a cockroach companion who travels with him as well as a little cooler he fills up with stuff he wants to keep. At one point as Wall*e is rolling out of his room he accidently runs over his cockroach friend. The emotion Wall*e shows is so incredible. Thankfully, his friend is not dead...it would seem that he is robotic as well...otherwise I do not know how he survived being run over by Wall*e. Regardless, Wall*e instructs his cockroach friend to walk behind him so as to avoid being run over again. As they travel to their destination we are treated to a view of the deserted earth. It is hard to describe, but it is quite stunning. Wall*e begins his work collecting trash, and crushing it into cube form. He searches through the trash for things he wishes to keep throwing them into his cooler. After he is done he travels back to his room when he notices a red dot on the ground. He is intrigued so he drops his stuff and tries to catch the red dot. However, the red dot moves at the last second (note: its clearly a laser dot so its impossible for Wall*e to catch it...it really is quite cute watching him try though). Wall*e races around trying to capture this dot until it finally stops. He comes upon it slowly and then pounces. He realizes that he can't catch it just in time for the dot to grow larger and the ground to shake. Landing on the dot is a huge space ship. Wall*e is frightened and transforms into cube form and places a rock on himself to hide. Out of the ship comes another robot. Wall*e grows curious and slowly approaches. He is cautious, but his curiousity is getting the best of him. Right around this point the film appeared to burn (like a grindhouse flick). That ended the footage. It really is hard to describe how amazing the footage was. The level of emotion that they were able to convey was what sold me and the audience. So many "awww" moments. Watching the footage it is impossible not to react to it. The animation is as realistic as anything I have seen. So detailed.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Of Mice and Viscosity...

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    Gooey little fuckers, aren't they? <p> I love a good typo.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 4:04 a.m. CST

    BTW, regarding Wall-E

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    I can't wait to take my son to see that movie. He'll be almost 3 years old by then. And he has loved everything Pixar that he's ever seen. In fact, the first movie he ever watched from start to finish without getting bored was Toy Story 2. What can I say? Everyone loves them some Pixar.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 4:05 a.m. CST

    Also, Stanton Mentioned a live-action component..

    by LeckoManiac

    He said that there would be live-action incorporated into Wall*e but he would not elaborate. The audience member asked if it would be like HAPPY FEET. Stanton assured the crowd that it would not be like HAPPY FEET.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Pixar's movies are formulaic and boring.

    by Chumkid

    I immediately remove all credibility from any critic who gives a Pixar movie a positive review. Each of their movies has had the same pointless plot with the same broad, weak humor since Toy Story. How can you call them intelligent when each of their productions has been pretentious drivel that tries so hard to please everyone and offend no one that they are just ineffective. I'm not saying that they're any worse than your ordinary kids movies, but they're not any better and certainly not the intellectual masterpieces that everyone makes them out to be. All they do is ask "what if this group of non-human things has a thriving community that we don't know about?" then they have the same stock characters that show up as cars or toys or monsters or bugs or fish or rats or, in this case, robots.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 4:31 a.m. CST

    OK, Chummy.

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    Thanks for chiming in. Enjoy life on the "outside." <p> PS: Ruling out any Pixar-friendly critic as being non-credibile is a lot like saying you hate any day that ends in "Y." How do you find any critics to trust if you dismiss 99.99% of them?

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 4:35 a.m. CST

    leckomaniac

    by Quint

    Thanks for the description... goddamn, I wish I could have moved that Downey interview...

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 4:41 a.m. CST

    Not a problem.

    by LeckoManiac

    Sorry if it is somewhat incoherent. It is nearly 5am where I am at the moment. I am pretty tired and just writing from memory.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 5:02 a.m. CST

    HEROES SEASON 2 TRAILER

    by LittleDudes

    OH YEAH http://tinyurl.com/2e5c7u

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 6:46 a.m. CST

    'Buy n Large', not 'Buy And Large', Quint

    by couP

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 6:46 a.m. CST

    LlGHTST0RMER

    by Chumkid

    That's the point that I was trying to make. If they consider Pixar's garbage to be great, good, or even acceptable how can I trust anything that they say when they're so wrong about that.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Pixar films

    by PullMyFinger

    Calling Pixar films formulaic and boring is like calling Michael Jordan unathletic and white. I assume that was either written tongue and cheek, it's opposite day, or you're getting Pixar mixed up with something else. The concept of Wall-E is about the least formulaic and boring thing I've heard about.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Leave Chumbucket alone

    by Fish Tank

    It can be a lonely place in here with no friends. Let him laugh at his scatalogical humour and fart jokes in Shrek - and let's not forget the cultural references every 3 seconds. It makes him happy.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Ben Barnes=fucking HAWT

    by Anna Valerious

    One of the reasons I can't wait to see "Stardust". And I have a feeling on my WDW trip when the film's being promoted, I'm going to glomp the Prince Caspian face character (If he's around) and hope that I won't get caught by security. XD

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 8:54 a.m. CST

    actually...

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    this sounds amazing. i love lonely robot stories.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Jeez...it is "BY AND LARGE"

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    But if I spent my time correcting spelling and grammar issues on this site I would be too busy to do anything else! ;^) Also, Chumkid you aren't alone...I don't see anyone stepping up and explaining WHY Pixar is considered the 'holy grail' of films for the younger set. WHAT makes them better than average? They all seem pretty uninspired as far as I can see.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 10:43 a.m. CST

    hey, i give that guy chumkid props.

    by occula

    you knew perfectly well that just about every person on this site loves pixar and yet you opened your yap and tried to trash them. it's surprising that a swat team hasn't shown up at your door yet with riot gear and ar-15s. unfortunately, you won't win anybody over to the dark side here. i don't think i'm generalizing much when i say just about all of us aficionados see pixar as a bastion of creativity, excellence and heart in filmmaking. sorry, dude.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Sorry, to me there isn't THAT much of a difference

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    between Pixar and crap like Shreck. I just posted this because I felt like being called a moron all day, so have at it....but why don't you take a second and explain or defend a pro-pixar view point? They seem pretty average tales to spend the amount of time, effort, and $$$ that they cost to make.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Carmilla: If you were right, I would agree with you.

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    Officially and for the record, the company is called BuynLarge. If you don't believe me, you can check out Pixar's own Buynlarge.com website. <p> But at least Pixar has someone with no interest whatsoever in their films to correct people on their behalf. <p> And it's not just that their films are "the holy grail for the younger set," the truth is Pixar's movies are, on the whole, much better than almost any movies released for kids OR adults. Their plotting, their humor, their characterization... basically everything ZBobroberts mentioned above that you ignored are all pretty substantial reasons for why they've got it right. They have the very fortunate position of writing and producing how they want without studio interference, because... they are the studio. It's their house, their rules. Disney just distributes the films when they're done. So they take the ideas that sound and feel the best to them in terms of what works the best for the stories they tell, and they go in that direction. It's really just that simple.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    i can explain

    by occula

    i'm an illustrator and production designer, so i feel marginally qualified to explain why the people at pixar are good at what they do. the core of any good children's film is a story that doesn't pander to childrens' intellect or grasp of culture, society and family. i'm not over-proscribing pixar with creating stories that are unparalleled in the filmmaking world, but i am saying that the bulk of other animated films for children (remember, i'm not talking 'triplets of bellville' here) cling to a weak story sauce that doesn't require genuine character development, real story arc or thinking outside the box of what kids can handle. there's an element of story that appeals to children - adventure, fighting against parental figures, fear of the unknown - that pixar has always managed to handle gracefully, even in their weaker films like 'finding nemo'. so, you got that. then, you got the most skilled artists and animators in the field creating worlds that kids AND adults can embrace fully. as an adult i might find 'over the hedge' amusing, but i could care less about the world created, whereas the world in 'monsters inc' is so thoroughly realized with charm, humor and detail that i'm drawn in both visually and, through that, in terms of story. previsualization is in itself an art form and the developers at pixar take time to enrichen their characters and environments at a level that inspires other artists to do the same. and, before i get accused of ass-kissing, my portfolio was rejected by harley jessup, so if anybody wanted to harbor bitterness, i could do it.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Wow... kinda looks like I wrote some sort of poem above

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    They've / they / their / that / they ... I wonder if there's a formatted alliteration award from AICN? <p> And Carmilla and Chum... when it comes down to it, if you don't see the charm or the reasons why people seem to enjoy Pixar movies so much, I doubt anyone can tell you anything to turn you around. Who am I to tell you sunshine is better than rain? If you prefer the rain, it's your call. <p> I would be interested to know, though, what kinds of movies you folks (Carmilla and Chumkid, I'm talking to,) think have come out in the past ten years or so that are well-written, are worth repeated viewings, and generally make you feel "very glad you watched them" kinds of movies. I'm not going to say mine is right and yours is wrong; I'm just trying to get a sense of your bearings in terms of your preferred style(s) of movies. You say Pixar movies are uninspired... what do you consider inspired filmmaking or storytelling?

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Yes, Chum, defend your athstetics!

    by MrSandwich

    It's easy to say all Pixar movies are stupid and anyone who thinks so is stupid. What do you find not stupid?

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 12:06 p.m. CST

    What about The Incredibles?

    by Rakafraker

    Wasn't that fairly original? It's my fave for Pixar. I like most of 'em, anyways. <p>I don't think that there is a single entity out there whose entire body of work has been 100% exemplary, IMO. Even some of my favorites have parts in them that I don't enjoy as much. Everyone has their opinions, though.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Back to the thread, though...

    by Rakafraker

    I enjoyed the first Narnia, and highly look forward to the new ones, because you just know they'll only get better as they go. <p> I love Sci-fi, and am probably one of the few that loved AI. I love it when a story deals with emotions (real or perceived)from non-sentient beings.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Woohoo! Go Reepicheep!!

    by Thomas Cromwell

    The mouse who shows you how its done. Roll on May 16th!

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Woohoo! Go Reepicheep!!

    by Thomas Cromwell

    The mouse who shows you how its done. Roll on May 16th!

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Whoops...

    by Thomas Cromwell

    Fucking site...

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Thanks Quint

    by Jaka

    I actually love the first Narnia, and much of that love was because a great majority of the effects were done in bright light, so you could see them. I recognize that it's not a perfect film and that all the effects are not as good as they could be. But I love it all the same. Conan the Barbarian is the movie that created my love of movies, so I guess I'm just a fantasy film geek at heart. Also read the books a couple times when I was younger. That being the case, I'm glad they're continuing to make these films.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    And...

    by Jaka

    Finding Nemo is one of my favorite films, period. Definitely my personal favorite Pixar film. Who would have thought that they could make you love a complaining clown fish. Dory has a lot to do with it too, brilliant casting and voice work there. So, anyway, since they were able to make me pretty much worship that film, I AM excited for Wall-E. But, wow, could you come up with a more challenging set of situations for your audience? No traditional dialogue, no humans on Earth - and because we messed it up (which is of course happening, but clearly most people want to ignore it), fat humans in beds in space.... oh yeah, and it's a love story. Wow. lol Be interesting to see what happens with this one.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Great moments from Wall-E footage...

    by Rindain

    1. Wall-E making the Mac start-up chime sound when he boots up in the morning. 2. Putting the bra over his eyes. 3. The look of concern when he squashes the cockroach. 4. Taking a keen interest in the diamond ring box, while nonchalantly tossing away the diamond. 5. Chasing the laser pointer around like a cat. 6. Digging himself under the sand like a crab. 7. The whole thing...this looks like it will easily be the best Pixar film to date.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    I can see some of the points above, thanks.

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    That's funny...Finding Nemo is actually the one I like the best! For the record...some of my favorite directors...David Cronenberg, Werner Herzog, Dario Argento....I don't know, I guess if I ever end up having kids I will like the Pixar stuff better than I do now...

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Quint, here's why Narnia in TLTWTW looked so bright...

    by Sith Witch

    The Narnia world in that time was a relatively brand new world (only a few hundred years old if I remember correctly). This stands in stark contrast to the much older version in most of the other books.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    I'm not going to defend what I said.

    by Chumkid

    What I said about Pixar was the truth and if you have to ask me to defend myself, then you're the same spineless, feeble-minded saps who think that the Incredibles is one of the greatest movies ever made or think that findind nemo has great characterization and genuine heart or that Monsters Inc. is great for kids AND adults. Those three things have been said about Pixar's movies over and over again, each time, for no real reason other than the fact that no one has the guts to say otherwise. I'm not going to tell you what I think is not stupid, because it doesn't matter. This has nothing to do with taste and everything to do with boring repetitive movies. Ratatouille's bit where the rats get electrocuted and eat some thing and then one rat says it tastes "lightningy". How can you honestly say that that's funny? That's old humor that only The Simpsons would use and even the writers over their had the sense not to put anything so broad and stupid into their movie. That's just one example of the lame, not character-based, harmless, pointless humor that one sees throughout Pixar's long string of formulaic and boring movies. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with this sort of humor, but it's certainly not worth fawning over and praising every step of the way.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Haha, it's hard to take criticism seriously

    by Novaman5000

    from someone who doesn't even get that "buy n large" is a fucking play on words.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 7:57 p.m. CST

    1) Chum,you ARE saying there's something wrong with it.

    by Novaman5000

    When you try to make people feel stupid for liking something, you are absolutely saying there's something wrong with it. <p>2) By refusing to back up your claims, how is anyone supposed to take you seriously?<p> That's like me saying "the world is ending. I'm not gonna say how or why because you all are fucking idiots. It just is. Deal with it."<p> That's fucking retarded. And how many of your favorite movies are 100% on rottentomatoes.com? I'm betting, uh, none.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Much of the Caspian movie will be invented

    by performingmonkey

    Not enough happens in the Prince Caspian book. Unless they've invented SO much it's not strong enough to make a good movie. The plot is - the kids return to Narnia but although it's only been a year for them it's been hundreds of years in Narnia time and the place has gone to shit due to a Western race coming in and fucking up the 'magic' of it. The animals don't talk anymore, apart from a rebel few. Caspian's uncle (evil uncle alert) is ruler but Caspian is the rightful heir. Caspian is a good guy because he's been raised by a Dwarf of old Narnia. They find out his uncle is going to kill him or something so Caspian escapes and finds the rebel animals of old Narnia. They are the ones that call the kids back to Narnia to help them. When they come they basically rally old Narnians together to oust Caspian's uncle. The lion Aslan appears somewhere at the end to spout Dumbledore-like bullshit, then it ends. There's no big battle in the book as far as I can remember. I DO remember it being my least favourite of all 7 books. It's just fucking boring. The movies after this one will be much better.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST

    i want that centaur t-shirt

    by pipergates

    sounds like narnia has become a lot cooler the second time

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Chumkid

    by Jaka

    Shaaaaatupalready!! Pixar gets by partly on their name and reputation, that's an undeniable reality. But the things you're saying aren't all true, and they're not at all objective. You're trying to state opinion as fact, and most people just aren't going to agree with you. A lot of people love Pixar's films, myself included. But that doesn't mean we worship each one as "the best film ever!!!!". In fact, I don't much care for Monsters Inc. or Cars, and while I like Incredibles, it's at the bottom of my Pixar faves. Personally, I love the Toy Story films and I worship Finding Nemo. Those films work for me - in fact, they move me. lol Yeah, that was cheesey, whatever. It's true. So, ya know, I don't mean to be a dick or anything, but when you say you're not going to defend your statement, maybe you should try that. We don't always have to agree, but coming into a thread that you KNOW is going to filled with people that love Pixar, to one degree or another, trying to get anyone to agree with you on such a hugely one-sided, aggresively negative opinion is really kind of pointless. They're just movies. And in this case they're movies that make a lot of people feel good. Nothing wrong with that. Ya know?

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Jaka, there is something wrong with that.

    by Chumkid

    Just because something makes you feel good, that doesn't make it great or even good. Pixar creates emotional pornography. It gets you where you need to be, wether it's shedding a tear or laughing, but ultimately it's completely hollow and meaningless.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 10 p.m. CST

    Wall-E must be a fucking scary and depressive story

    by pipergates

    When you look at it beyond the cute little robot and notice what its saying about mankind...sounds to me like Pixar is trying to give a message with this film. Good for them, we need some messages like this to be crammed down our throats if we wish to continue enjoying life and films on this planet. And im sure they will also take scifi movies to a level beyond what has yet been seen. Wall-E and Avatar, the future is upon us.

  • Aug. 1, 2007, 11:26 p.m. CST

    that's an overstatement in the extreme

    by occula

    i'd like you to find a 6 year old kid and tell them 'toy story is emotional pornography.' you're proscribing a jaded attitude towards a genre (and i'm not speaking of animation in general - pixar does not make r-rated anime) that exists to create positive feelings in an unjaded audience. and, sorry, but because something makes you feel good CAN mean that it's good. your generalization is puerile. i strongly defend my opinion of pixar because i believe in anything that offers inspiration and hope to people in a creative way, and i think if all they did was make one kid want to be an artist or a storyteller when he grows up, then they did their jobs and they did them well.

  • Aug. 2, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Chumkid...

    by BabatuFerguson

    ...is just incorrect, that's all -- and he knows it. Why keep feeding the troll?

  • Aug. 2, 2007, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Occula

    by Chumkid

    A 6-year-old wouldn't even know what 'emotional pornography' means but a film critic who's well into his 40's certanly would.

  • Aug. 2, 2007, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Oh my God, Chummy...

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    ...I see it all now. You are right. You are SO right... <p> I've never had the "guts" to say that Pixar's movies are all crap. I always told people I really liked The Incredibles because I thought if anyone believed I didn't love it, I wouldn't be worth talking to. So I toed the line, just like everyone else who "liked" the movie. The same with the Toy Story movies or Finding Nemo or even A Bug's Life... the real reason I put those movies in my DVD player every few months is because I'm afraid somebody might come to my house and see me NOT enjoying a Pixar movie! I mean, what would people think of me if they didn't believe I genuinely liked Pixar movies? They'd think I was a Satan-worshipping, puppy-kicking, child-abusing communist, no doubt! <p> You are absolutely right, saying that my proclivity for light-hearted, well-animated, well-written family comedies has NOTHING to do with personal taste, but rather a need to sing the praises for "boring repetitive movies." Thank God one of the last free-thinkers of the world was posting on AICN to tell me I had been socially conditioned to think Ratatouille was actually enjoyable and worthwhile, and that nearly every single major critic in the world was in on this vast conspiracy! Thank you! Thank you so much! If it wasn't for you I'd never understand that movies that millions or even billions of people love MUST be complete shit! So if you'll excuse me, I'm off to go watch... um... I don't know, some movie that every reasonably intelligent person hates, so that I'll know what real cinematic quality is! Anyone know if Police Academy 7 is available on Netflix?? <p> FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST, THANK CHUMKID ALMIGHTY, I AM FREE AT LAST!

  • Aug. 2, 2007, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Don't be obtuse.

    by Chumkid

    I'm not saying that normal people don't have the guts to hate Pixar but I certainly am saying that there aren't any critics who will. Pixar's movies are so well-loved by the retarded masses, that it would be suicide for any critic to say something negative about this summer's 3D non-human community movie. Which is why Cars wasn't panned across the board but rather forgotten about and ignored. It sucked, but critics would rather just not talk about it than admit that it has the same problems as every other Pixar "masterpiece".

  • Aug. 2, 2007, 5:43 a.m. CST

    PS, Chum...

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    ...I never asked you to "defend" yourself. I asked for some examples of movies that you find enjoyable or funny, so that I could continue the conversation with you with a better understanding of where you're coming from. Even Carmilla, apparently the ONLY person in here that was sympathetic to your position, listed some examples of her (his? her? ...sorry, Carmilla... going by assumption) preferred types of films, and even acquiesced a little bit, saying that Finding Nemo wasn't so bad after all... just because Carmilla knew that we weren't all here looking for a fight with anyone, just to have a discussion or two. <p> But you come in here and post to a bunch of people obviously interested in Pixar movies intimating that we're all drooling, mind-controlled morons because we don't like what YOU think is good storytelling. And don't pretend you didn't come in here wagging your finger, kid. You knew you would get plenty of attention by volunteering to be the voice of dissent. <p> So what is it? Mommy and Daddy never paid enough attention to you and now you need to shout your opinions over the rooftops of the Internet? Did they not let you watch the shows you wanted to watch as a kid so that you grew up hating the things everyone else got to enjoy? Or are you just such an outcast that you have to wear a big overcoat of disdain for anything enjoyed by the "everyone elses" of the world? Is this just you "owning" your misfithood? Trying to make everybody feel stupid because no one else appreciates what a genius you really are? <p> Like I said before, kid, enjoy life on the outside. To us you'll always be the weird dude looking in through the window.

  • Aug. 2, 2007, 6 a.m. CST

    Responding to your last: WTF??

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    "Pixar's movies are so well-loved by the retarded masses, that it would be suicide for any critic to say something negative about this summer's 3D non-human community movie." <p> What?? Since when have any of the critics (worth listening to) ever cared about the public's movie preferences? I can't remember finding a SINGLE positive review for Spider-Man 3 this summer, and I don't think I saw any glowing reviews for POTC 3 either, but everyone knew those movies were going to make shitloads of money, and the "retarded masses" were going to go to them by the short-busload. What you're saying makes no sense. And you don't think these critics even have the sack to admit Pixar movies have "problems?" When was the last time you ever saw a professional critic claim a movie had zero flaws? <p> And what if... just WHAT IF it's possible that seemingly everyone, critics and average people alike, enjoy these movies because they are genuinely enjoyable and maybe YOU just don't get it? Is that even a possibility?

  • Aug. 2, 2007, 6:50 a.m. CST

    LlGHTST0RMER

    by Chumkid

    I do get it. At least, I did, when i was in the 2nd grade. But after that, the charm sort of wears off. And I am aware that this duality of the movies, their being enjoyable for both adults and children, is supposed to be what makes them so great but really all it does is produce impotent movies that no one can bring themselves to deride because their so heartfelt and friendly.

  • Aug. 2, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Wall.E

    by RockLobster800

    thing is it looks like they're trying to pull on your heart strings too much-I mean he always looks soo sad! Then again Im a sucker for Pixar emotion (still bawl like a baby everytime Buzz tries to fly off the stairs but falls and breaks his wings, and I usually cant talk for a half hour after Finding Nemo) so even if it is contrived over emotion I'll be won over.....

  • Aug. 2, 2007, 2:57 p.m. CST

    At least that Caspian boy

    by Kragmose

    Isn't totally painful to look at or listen to. The kids in no. 1 were.