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George Lucas agrees... Han Shot First!!!
Hey folks, Harry here... this isn't important news... not to most of the world. This isn't something of earth-shattering importance... but to some of us, it's a sign. A sign that perhaps the great one is remembering the way it was and should always have been. At the link below comes a papparazzi-esque shot of George Lucas. Now, 99 out of a 100 times, I would completely fucking ignore this - but dammit - for 10 years now we, the faithful, have held desperately to the belief that HAN SHOT FIRST. And George Lucas - magnificent badass bastard that he is... has tried to convince us otherwise... Yet here... on the set of INDY 4 - he's caught wearing a shirt proclaiming HAN SHOT FIRST!
This might not be significant to very many out there - but it's like George is waving the white flag and saying, OK - You're right. Han Shot First. And to those of us that have been waiting for the sign... it is here!
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GEEZ.
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they posted this on themovieblog about a week ago...fuck, come on harry
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about time
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He finally apologized. Is that enough for you to stop accusing him of childhood rape?
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*ducks for cover from Star Wars nerds*
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I mean it was a sign--a sign that Han Solo was BADASS and that you do NOT mess with him! He was badass and he had street cred! Sorry for the MESS, BITCH! It was a pain in the ass for me to get a copy of the original movie to show my son, but I did it, because HAN SHOT FIRST!
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but damn, this was in a video that was posted on this very site forever ago - and there was a big discussion of it in the talkback thread for that video. This isn't just old news, it's ancient news that everybody already knew.
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Over a month old....
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Not really. First, wearing some dumb shirt for amusement does not an admission make. Second, who fucking cares?
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holy OLD!
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There was ONE FUCKING SHOT.....and ONLY one fucking shot, get it into your ignorant, crybaby, hairsplitting, basement living, Buffy DVD watchin, loser-virgin asses... ok? Han killed Guido, it was murder, it was cold blood, .. and HERE IS THE KICKER shitheads... Han was a Pirate, a scoundrel, and a bastard.. it was HIS JOB, and he needed to be like that to survive. It made his transition to 'good-guy' that much more poignant. (pant) Good CHRIST the stupidity in this place is so thick sometimes it makes my lungs hurt
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and somewhere Mark Hammil is sitting by the phone, lightsaber in hand, waiting for the call.
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he seems to have regained his faculties as well. Now just make 7, 8, & 9 already.
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during the video released from the Indy shoot a few weeks back? I didn't notice it but people were DEFINATLY talking about it...cos that Jet guy who claimed to work on the flick (and... I dunno seemed to either erase his posts cos no one believed him or was banned) claims Lucas was being "ironic". And Lucas knows Han shot first-he wrote the fooking film in the first place....he just forgot.
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...who else clicked this link hoping for something more substantial than a two week old picture of Lucas pimping his companies own wares???
Who else clicked hoping "Shit, maybe he's actually doing a Uturn and releasing the originals..."???
Could it be that he's actually wearing that Tshirt as a joke for Ford who was, you know, slightly involved with the whole Han Shot First debacle??? -
Who did who shoot first?
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I don't think Lucas really thinks Han shot first...He just has the sense of humor to wear the shirt....The only problem I had with Greedo shooting first was Han moving his head to miss the shot looked silly...Anyway, didn't I read about him wearing the shirt like a month ago?
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Love it, Like it, Enjoy it, or Hate it....but at least Watch it. http://tinyurl.com/yug838
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Just curious.
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If Lucas was really serious about the sentiment he would have corrected it for the latest DVD release.
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Explanation please.
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. . . thunder from the whole Potter thing? C'mon, George; I'm still questioning why you went out of your way to call the Spidey thing silly. Silly? Ewoks, Jar Jar, Lapitnek, oh, not enough space here.
Anyway, my point . . . regarding Han shot first, I'm still waiting for the JFK-flavored 3rd shooter parody on YouTube. Who'll take that up for us?
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The shirt was visible in the video released to promote filming on Indy 4. Now just get him to change the new edition ... Come to think of it, people will just complain about that too. Everyone would have to go buy new sets!
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. . . Fett actually shot Greedo. I mean, think about it -- woulda' taken money out of one of Boba's journeyman slacks' pockets.
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nothing more, nothing less.
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The fact that Han shot first does not, nor could it ever make him a murderer. Greedo is spouting off about how Han used to be good, but now his days are over, blah blah. He clearly reveals his intention to murder Han. Han shot first, and killed Greedo in self defense, a preemptive strike. That's not murder. Even as a kid I didn't think it was murder. Its amazing that anyone would have ever thought this was a problem! (that being said, I find it very unlikely that Lucas has changed his mind and now thinks Han shot first).
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Until Lucas changes the scene in the film (namely, return the film to its original version), he's nothing but hot air.
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Abraham Lincoln has just FREED THE SLAVES!!!!
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But it's for the wrong reasons. That scene with Jabba, in the "Special Edition", is a complete waste of time. All Han and Jabba do it re-hash the discussion Han had with Greedo (sometimes word for word). If Lucas was going to add that scene, it would have been better to delete the Greedo scene rather than give us the bastardized version we got stuck with.
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Unless he thinks he's being ironic (which would be...um...ironic?)
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So he's wearing the shirt? Big deal. Doesn't excuse what he did. Doesn't even mean he's admitting he's wrong. Doesn't mean he realizes that he sucks balls and single handedly ruined the greatest franchise of all time. It just means that he thinks he's cool. Fuck you Lucas, fuck you in the ear.
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Jul 25, 2007 4:45:17 PM CDT
Yeah, that was in the Ford footage 3 weeks ago or so...
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And who cares about Han or Greedo? That's not even one of the marginal problems that Star Wars has. There are some sever problems that will never be fixed. And the worst one is called Hayden Christensen.
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I'm not buying. He's changed his mind.
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...if he lost the bet. This is obviously something done for a bet between Harrison and Goiter.
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. . . how 'bout a "bucks to Lucas stops here, already T-Shirt." I mean, I simply RE-HEH-FAH-UUUSE to shell out more bucks to the guy ('cept when it comes to the hard-to-get action figs, like the McQuarrie Stormmie, of which I have a few :) ).
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and talking about it is just so mid of July-ish. Serisouly, didn't we already chat about that? I just think it fits right into Lucas' Universe to even commercialize pathetic geek protest, by selling these shirts. On the other hand you can consider this yet an other celebration of STAR WARS, the passion it spawns and the pop cultural phenomenon it became. And by wearing that very shirt he's spinning this phenomenon even further... [br] I don't know about the white flag thingee.....[br] [br] Actually I currently am just excited to see more shirts and basecap designs show up to - mo- rroooooww!! I don't know how I'll be able to cope with the Indy excitement in May 08, considered the state I'm in before a presumably 20 second satellite feed from the set at tomorrow's Comic Con presentation.
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Ach...wrong code or whatever that is..
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Lucas makes money off of every "Han Shot First" T-shirt anyway.
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Any merchandise that has anything pertaining to star wars associated with it, Lucas gets money from.
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the soundtrack to E.T on in the car today and I was just grinning like a big happy geek at points.
Then I switched to some of his Indy stuff (it was a long journey) and was even more geeked out...
The fact that there is a movie, in production right now, that has Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, Harrison Ford, John Williams, Frank Marshall and K Kennedy working on it, well it just makes me very fucking happy. Looking at the people who have contributed to the script as well, I just don't think for a second this is going to fail deliver. I feel like my childhood just got a temporary extention till May next year.
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Until he releases the original versions of the first trilogy on remastered, restored HD his novelty shirt means nothing. When will this madness end?
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GOD FUNKING DAMMIT!!!!!! I HAD LOST BETS ON THAT YOU FUCKER!!!! YOU OWE ME MONEY ASSHOLE!!!! SERIOUS MONEY!!!! MONEY THAT CAN CHOKE A HORSE!!!! AND YOU OWE ME A CAR!!!! IN FACT, I LOST A BEAUTY OF A 1974 CHEVY CAPRICE SHOCKLESS BAT-OUTTA-HELL MACHINE!!!! THAT THING COULD JUMP ZERO TO 78 IN NO LESS THAN 81 SECONDS!!!!! AND I LOST IT TO JIMMY "FOUR THUMBS" ANTIONI IN THE GREAT "GREEDO-GOT-GOT!" DISPUTE OF 1998!!!!! BUT NO!!!! YOU HAD TO COME OUT WITH THOSE FUCKING SPECIAL EDITIONS AND I HAD TO BUY THE LASERDISCS A YEAR BEFORE TO HAVE IT ALL COME BACK TO HAUNT ME IN GLORIOUS FUCKING COLOR!!!!!! I'M COMING FOR YOU GEORGE!!!! AND I AM GONNA BITCH SLAP YO MOMMA AND TEABAG YOU UNTIL YOU GET BACK THOSE WHEELS AND COME UP WITH SOME SERIOUS CASH TO RESTORE IT!!!!! OH FUCKITY FUCKITY FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!! I GOTTA DRINK TO FORGET!!!! I GOTTA DRINK HEAVY TONIGHT!!!!...And thus, gonna stink of blood and puke tonight! - - - George, the 7th Chicken!!!!
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I thought I read somewhere a while ago that Kucas was releasing for a short time the originals on dvd, before he rebastarded, i mean remastered them. I got it in my star wars email that they send me every month. but this was a while ago. God I sound like a dweeb
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Not first, not last, ONLY! Geeez.... I hate those shirts, but at least it helps you spot the nubs. True geeks wouldn't wear that crap. It makes sense to me that lucas would wear one.
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Most of you don’t get it – it’s not an admission, he’s mocking you. One thing that is plain to see is that the more criticism Lucas receives, the more dug in he gets with his position (hence the god-awful new trilogy). So, while some of you may see this as an admission, I view it more like he’s giving all of you the finger and laughing at you (after working for the Lucas empire for five years and watching how things worked this move wouldn’t surprise me in the least). What’s even more pathetic, is that when he releases the 30th anniversary edition of Star Wars with thirty-seven seconds of new footage, you’ll go buy it again, and when he releases the 31st anniversary edition where he removed the Greedo shot, you’ll buy that one too.
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You don't even read your own site anymore????
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Forgot to mention it.
That's for the "this news is 2 weeks old" idiots. Like this website is supposed to be CNN Headline News for nerds. If it's so old why didn't you mention it?
Oh, and this is the nerdiest of the nerderiffic talkbacks ever started on this site.
"EXTRA! EXTRA! George Lucas wears T-Shirts".
Now I've seen it all. If my wife even knew I commented here I'd be getting fuckin' divorced. No marriage counselling, no trial separation, I'd be getting fuckin' divorced. -
with Shades on and a T-shirt I Bet Spielberg gave him that he just put on and never bothered to read what it said.I know you've been away getting hitched Hair, but we been chatting bout this a damn fortnight ago!
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Who's that old geezer sitting beside him in the picture though? Is that like George Lucas's dad or something?
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To the originals. A Star Wars fan can dream, I suppose.
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not only did a million people notice this in the indy video like over a MONTH ago, but it was even pointed out nd discussed repeatedly on this very site!Jesus, between this and the HD-DVD propaganda article, Harry has officially lost all credibility. Might as well pass this site on to the other contributors and move on. You're an idiot.
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A clampdown on Indy 4 news and then a regurgitation of a 2 week old news story. WTF?
This site is sooooo over.
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Come on, at some point doesn’t Star Wars lose it’s relevance? Or at least decrease a bit in terms of significance? The original trilogy is great (with the possible exception of Endor). But seriously, aside from what I thought was a fairly good series of sequel books (the Zahn trilogy) and possibly Clone Wars, what else is worth keeping Star Wars newsworthy? Seriously – somebody educate me, I’m willing to listen. This has to be the most bulletproof license of all time. The new films were horrible – if you look back on all three of them, it’s kind of staggering to realize that The Phantom Menace might just be the best of the lot, and that’s only because of the Darth Maul fight.
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Is he standing behind Bob Seger?
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On the Lake Como set of Episode II, George was wearing a shirt that had a dictionary definition of Star Wars. It defined Star Wars as being completely ridiculous, with cardboard characters, terrible acting, etc. It was a pretty mean t-shirt. I think he just likes to poke fun at himself.
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"This is old news."
Fuck you reason number A: This is the first I've seen this picture. Not all of us troll the bowels of the internet for this shit.
Fuck you reason number B: Harry just got married fer chrissake. I think he can be forgiven for being somewhat distracted.
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based on the headline. Instead it's just the old news about Lucas's stupid T-shirt?! C'mon Harry.
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It's how it was meant to be in the first place. Do we really need Indy 4? Do we really need classic films retooled countless times? It's embarassing.
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It's the "I wore some t-shirt photograph" special edition. In that picture he added more background and changed the positions of the people on it. Also, 2 more inches of picture have been added around the original.
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good on ya!! you beat me to it. There are some grade A assholes out there whoi enjoy nothing more than giving this site a hard time. WHY??? Tossers just fuck off to msn chat or some other pre-adult chat site. wankers!!
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Watch the video that came out like, what was it, last year or something? I'm sorry, Happyfat73. What was that? I didn't hear you.
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Oh Harry mate, are you having a laugh?! This is just a shirt that he was wearing shooting the Indy movie that WE ALL have seen weeks ago!!! I can't believe you of all people are putting this up now. This is worse than Banthafodder posting joke posts on the Zone a few years back saying 'guess what guys, Darth Vader is Luke's father!!!!'. This has to be a wind up joke deliberately to peess us off, please? What a waste of time. Harry - you just raped 3 and a 1/2 minutes of my adulthood with this. I want it back!!
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sub-title of shirt: "Let Alone a Decent Script."
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Yeah he probably wouldn't wear that.
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Lucas said that the 30th edition of Star Wars will contain a lot of new Han Solo footage because, “in my original vision, Han Solo was an upbeat, honest fellow. Through the magic of computer graphics, we’ve been able to go back in time and make it so that Han is smiling happily in almost every scene. Gone is the glowering, somewhat shady scoundrel, he’s been replaced by the happy go-lucky freighter pilot I’d always imagined him to be.”
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And apparently that endorses the fact that Han shot first all along... phew thats a load off my mind and there I was thinking he was just wearing a T shirt...
Next week Lucas Wears a "Pull my finger" T shirt and a million Star Wars fans wait in anticipation that rumoured Chewie farting footage will be put back in the Blu Ray editions...
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There was a shot of him with Robin Quivers when they were doing some amateur race car driving and he had it on then too.....and it's just a goof. I agree that he's laughing at the fans who think that Han should have shot first.
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If Lucas has Han shooting first in the Ultimate Edition of A New Hope that will be a nice nod to fans. After all, it's the fans that buy the DVDs, why not give them something back? And while he's at it, why doesn't he give the fans the deleted scenes? I hope we see these on the Ultimate set. I also want the sabres FIXED PROPERLY ONCE AND FOR FUCKING ALL and all the inconsistencies dealt with (e.g. in Cloud City, the wall that is a CG background window in one shot and then just the original solid wall in another. Replace more of the ropier effects work with new CG. Reshoot Hayden Christensen's 'cameo' at the end of ROTJ so he doesn't look like he's checking out his costume (the footage was taken from a costume test, after all...)
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Lucas knows who he's about and what he's doing, that's what's so admirable about him. Hail Lucas. Hail the prequels and the special editions. This man rocks. Except for the dance sequence in Jedi SE - that sucked. Thank god he is not through with this series yet. He still has yet to put his final brushstroke across the whole thing. That's right. There's more to come.
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noticed this eons ago. got me excited for nothing.
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Kind of gives me goose bumps. Those guys have been through some tough times together and have celebrated some great victories in film making history. Pretty amazing.
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Great, he's wearing a T-shirt. Where's our anamorphic transfer DVDs of the ORIGINAL trilogy with cleaned up effects (no weird fading around Tie Fighters, etc.) and better sound. Until Lucas convinces the Quatto creature that lives in the bulge in his neck that this is okay, I'm not giving him another dime of my hard earned money.
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Puhleeze, people.
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as Lucas making fun of the fanboys that complain about Han Shooting First. he still stands by his special edition trilogy.
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He isn't saying anything, he is wearing a shirt, next to the guy who played the part it is referencing. He knew alot of people would eventually see this, he is screwing the heads of fanboys.And this story is really old.
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Back when u posted the vid of indy in the suit, some talkbacker(I forget who, please forgive) Pointed out that lucas was wearing the shirt in the vid. Props to that man, beacause his post actually made me go back and look
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In the Indy moves talkback. Dude pointed this out aaaaaaaaaaaages ago!!!!!
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The t-shirt is clearly a 'fuck you it's my movie, dumbshits' from Lucas. I can't stand people who think that they own a movie because they paid to watch it. It's Lucas' creation, not yours. Get over it. You think that story tellers never improved or changed their stories as they told them over the years back when they were told in person? It's ok to change your creation. No fucking customer has the right to expect that an artist doesn't have that freedom. Fuck you Harry. Create something and then talk about how you feel when everyone tells you that it's not yours anymore. Nerds are such fucking selfish consumer pricks sometimes.
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That goes for all of the AICN crew except Moriarty. Moriarty has earned his right to have a say about another artists' work because he is one. I understand complaints about non-artist interference in films. Or adaptations of other artist's work to film. But Lucas created Star Wars and it's his baby. $8 does not ownership of a film make. And while I'm at it. Try making your own movies assholes. AICN has been around for how long? Long enough for Harry to go to film school and learn to make films himself and stop blabbing about them and make some! I remember when he was at least producing a film. What the fuck happened to that? All this time consuming and never making. That's not love of film. Thats love of sitting on your ass and bullshiting on the computer.
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If Lucas decided to simply get RID of the scene. Many other scenes to provide hard-edge Han Solo, no? I mean, you got Han standing right before the Falcon shootin' at 'Trooopers.
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yeah, your totally right-those people who made Lucas all those millions and made Star Wars the land mark it is have no right to say when something that was perfect gets pissed on by the artist...cos clearly Lucas made Star Wars with only his own self expression in mind...and even though it totally robbed Solo of what made him great and put a dampner on the character for future generations not familiar with the original so what if he wants to fuck it up? Cos we ALL know in 1997 Lucas was the still the artist who made art pieces like THX 1138, and so he moves to revamp the film were not to make it pointlessly kiddy friendly and tone down violence like he did with the Indy video release two years later what so ever...I mean what right have we to object if Michael Jackson wants to re-release Thriller with cowbell all over it? Cos that album, despite having been heard by everyone all over the world know and being hailed as one of the best albums ever needs some crap stuck on that ruins the original purpose of it and spoils the album for everyone? Do you remember when you couldnt get the original ORIGINAL trilogy, not just on DVD but on ANY format? and Lucas said he would never release it? That was a grim prospect...like Da Vinci painting a black beard on the Mona Lisa and demanding the original never be reproduced....but your totally right, those loyal fans have fuck all right to complain....
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that was a tad too ranty, if your just giving out about Harry....but if your making a general arguement now that all film lovers all over the world need to make films in order to be film lovers you must be aware your talking total bollocks right?
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Shocking news. Anyone who saw The Lives of Others will no doubt agree. An outstanding actor.
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Did it ever occur to you that he MIGHT just have a sense of humor and thinks it's funny to wear that shirt...and that's it?! Maybe there's NO NEWS HERE WHATSOEVER other than maybe George Lucas can laugh at himself.
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The only reason to give that much of a shit is that your life is shit and only Han Solo being a badass means anything in the world. Whatever. People like that need to get a fucking life. I am an artist and I would have been pissed if Harry Potter 7 hadn't turned out the way I hoped. I would have been pissed... for like a fucking week at most. Not goddamn 10 years later. Shit. Cause I don't put my heart into someone else's 30 fucking year old creation. I have my own life beyond other people's art.
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Read the damn Indy TB's once in awhile...folks were all over that. Yeesh.
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Get over it already.
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...than confirming his own personal belief perhaps. Personally the original scene made Han look like an utter quick draw gun slinging badass and the new scene now looks clusterfucked.
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This piece of news has been around for about a month now.
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Its ok to be slow, with the wedding and all, but this has been in discussion for a looong time.
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Who cares how old the news is? Seriously, this is kinda funny. AICN is devoted to covering all things nerdy, and this is one of them. No reason this shouldn't be brought up. I like it. It shows Lucas has a sense of humor about people tearing him down. Yes, I did think it was needless revamping the Holy Trilogy, but it's his movies and his money. If you're pissed because you bought them and didn't like them, you have no one to blame but yourself. Ten bucks says you'll be buying the next incarnation before I do. Bet.
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The remastered editions of the old trilogy were better than the often ropey looking originals. Fact.
He took a good thing, and made it better with a few cosmetic changes, nothing major, didn't ruin the story, didn't fuck your mother in the ass. So why all the whining? "He raped my childhood, WAH WAH WAAAAHHHH!" Shut the fuck up, they're his films, he can do what the fuck he wants with them. If he wants a huge song and dance number aboard the Death Star there's fuck all you can do about it, in fact, you'd buy the discs again. You know you ALL would, so why pretend?
Grow the fuck up, he's ripping the piss out of you all, the fact that such a patently trivial thing would make you all froth and die - got you to fucking buy the re-released original versions after the remastered ones didn't it? -
Where's the Halo movie?
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http://tinyurl.com/2k5v6q
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It's not because he believes in it. It's because NOBODY makes a "Greedo Shot First" T-Shirt!
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... geezus Harry, this is OLD news, it's been reported everywhere. I guess you're wedding night was more exciting than the paparazzi claim, eh? wink wink
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Lucas routinely thumbs his nose at what fans think and want. Maybe that's bad or not who knows. This is just another case of the same thing. It doesn't matter whether you think Han shot first. Maybe in Lucas' fucked up head it doesn't even matter whether he thinks Han shot first.
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It actually says "Hand Job First".
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He also said that it made Han an ASSHOLE. So to speak. Please; have fun with your wife on your honeymoon, but keep your Tubeylove off of my Star Wars.
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aicn has jumped the shizark
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A) he means it and B) when they finally release the original trilogy properly on DVD that scene is the way it should be
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That Lucas sure is a funny guy. Hack.
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and just now regenerated.
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It means George is giving us a big "FUCK YOU!" According to George, canon is still Greedo shooting slightly before Han and inexplicably aiming 45 degrees off even though he is a professional bounty hunter and has his gun aimed straight ahead at point-blank range. Maybe someday George would say Han shot first as an excuse to release yet another special edition, but that is all the credit I'll give him.And what's up with posting this now? It jumped right out at me on my first viewing last week or two weeks ago (whenever that video was first released), and we discussed it in the talkback linking to the footage. Yes, yes, Harry got married, I know.
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to all u freaks saying this is "two weeks old"..... most of us dont live on the net all day everyday, soaking up useless information...i did not know this or saw mention of it anywhere, perhaps u know cuz ur up george lucas's ass....does anyone really care anyways, anyone that saw the original trilogy knows HAN SHOT FIRST
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Hahahaha.
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Great! But it could just be a joke to him. Like the prequel trilogy. My hopes are so low they're anti-hopes. But somewhere in there I'm hoping at some point the George will do what he promised and deliver on a third trilogy, one that might redeem the second. But if he ever does he had better fucking realize the error of his prequel ways. So if he's serious, this is a great first step. But he's probably not, so fuck him.
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search the bloop, who care about george lucas
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Mention Star Wars, show Star Wars, even infer Star Wars - and the money just flies right out of the pockets of entire generations of fans. It's a conditioned response that is more resilient than some kind of gigantic space cockroach.Turns out, George Lucas can wear a T-shirt that mocks his own fans and still the money rolls in. I hear his next stunt is wearing a T-shirt that depicts him pissing on a fat man who is wearing Darth Maul makeup. Kerching! The money will keep coming.Is this the apex of memetic evolution? Is the Pavlovian Star Wars response the most efficient and hardy ideology ever created?
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...But it's another thing entirely to post news that points out a fact that had already been pointed out on your own site, in a video you most likely watched (Indy footage), no matter how busy you may have been getting ready for a wedding. This is just embarrassing.
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no, you're dead wrong- everyone has the right to criticise. It isn't something you earn. To paraphrase Dr. Johnson: I don't have to be a carpenter to point out flaws in a table. If you have achieved something artistically it just gives weight to your criticism. Does he owe the fans anything? No. But that's a different issue.
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MY GOD GL looks old! :-)
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I can come here and read ancient news, presented like they just happened.
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George does have a sense of humour :)
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Jul 26, 2007 6:58:07 AM CDT
I'd have a little respect for Lucas if the shirt said
by bringingsexyback
"Sorry I fucked up."
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In someways, it is pretty funny that Lucas is wearing a shirt that contradicts his 'vision' post 1997 of the Original Movies, but in other ways, it is pretty sad too. The man has fucked with the greatest trilogy of movies (IMO), and keeps tinkering in every release thereafter, and in the process put out a shitty remastered, or rebasterized version on DVD last year. As Bill Murray said in Ghostbusters about Ray, I believe he is talking about George Lucas now, "Egon, George Lucas has gone bye-bye now, so what do you got?" I think the man knows that the majority of fans think the PT is average, or inferior to the OT, and he believed that the fans would rally to accept the movies the same way we did with SW, ESB, and ROTJ, and in the end, they look nothing alike ,but two different trilogies trying to become one. Sorry George, I used to be your biggest defender before 1997, as you could do no wrong, but as long as you keep the Original Movies from being remastered, but in the same vein where a 'Han Shoots first' shirt, I put my hands up and think how you have fallen from grace.
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Get the facts straight. Lucas still thinks Greedo shot first.
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Now I know what happened, Jerry Garcia was reincarnated into George Lucas, and HE was the one who thought Jar Jar Binks! "Writing the Prequels, High on Cocaine......."
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Isn't it obvious?
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george is a total piss taker.
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...is a "Vader has jazz hands!" t-shirt. Remember that?
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okay,you dont actually know me, but I assure you my life is not shit, nor does Han Solo being a bad ass have all that much importance to my future. However, it does mean SOMETHING and its well within everyones rights to get pissed off if something they like is fucked up. And thats all that happened-didnt change my life, but spoiled a favourite film of mine.Thats what ART CRITICS do-critique and discuss things rationally without swearing and hurling insults to completely anonymous people. And I have many friends who call themselves artists and Ive discovered that they can either be laid back people, who enjoy analysing others work and discussing it rationally, or pretencious dipshits who have to go around calling themselves artists in an effort to make themselves superior to everyone else. You seem to to fall into the latter catergory. You also seem to be quite an angry and unpleasant person who has to take time out of his busy artistic schedule to yell at nerds on the internet. Cos thats what "artists" do.and if you are one thing pray to God that you never have to show anyone your work cos you might find THEY have an opinion on it that might differ from the artists (SHOCK!)
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wait for the HDDVDs ... you really think he'll change it back? fuk no. you did see the prequels didnt you? they all blow depressingly large chunks. i try to watch them all the time...i just cant do it without feeling that awful sinking feeling of so many oportunities missed. he re-invented a wheel that did not need reinventing.
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As an actor and huge SW fan I have to say the issue for me is that Han's character arc was changed when Greedo squeezed off a blast before Han did. From a story telling point of view it was important to show what a ruthless smuggler Han was in the film. When the Princess claims "Your friend is quite a mercenary, I wonder if he really cares about anything or anyone" that set the stage for his turn from the dark side if you will and come back to help look at the end of the film to save his life and help destroy the death star. So Lucas trying to make the film in the special edition more kid friendly screwed up han's character arc.
Lucas also changed the relationship with Lando and Han in Return of the Jedi by changing a line on the skiff when Han is hanging upside down. When ROTJ special edition had added scenes they had to re-do some of the music score. When Han shoots the sarlacc pit tentacle in the original film Land says "Wait, wait, I thought you were blind?" Han's reply was "Trust Me" Then fires the blaster freeing Lando......again this reveals the trust issues they have for one another. In the Special edition the line is changed to another take that is longer for the new music cues to "Don't worry, I can see now" then Han fires blaster.
Both incidences changed the character that was written originally in the scripts.
I hope this was not too nerdy.
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cant believe this!!!!!
EARTH SHATTERING NEWS INDEED!!! WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU HARRY!!! this shit IS important!!!! LOL!!! hahahahhahaha -
I love when people laugh at fans like us for getting mad at Greedo shooting first, or simaltaneously now. Just think if Coppola had Michael shoot the Cop and Solazo in self defense in the Italian Restaurant in Godfather I? It would only be a couple of seconds, but it would fuck with the movie, and the character development of Michael Corleone.
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Now somebody get the guy a "JAR- JAR Sucks" shirt and all will be right in the world.
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Damn! If only it were. We could nail the sucker. I know this for a fact because the "Free Mustache Rides" my last t-shirt offered was declared null and void because I wasn't sporting the requisit mustache. Also my "I'm With Stupid" shirt was reveresed in the courts the day I stood next to Dr. Stephen Hawking, who, it appears, is not stupid. Similarly, my "Jesus is my Homeboy" shirt was struck down in the supreme court when the plaintiff proved beyond a reasonable doubt that a) I had no personal interaction with Jesus, b) that I was too lame for anyone to be my 'homeboy', and c) that Jesus was in fact, the homeboy of a man in Des Moines named Sydney Applebaum. Sorry, but Lucas's shirt proves nothing!
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Ford was very outspoken about the 'Special Edition' of Star Wars when it came out. He was not happy about it. Especially using the Jabba scene. Ford felt it was cut 'for good reason'. He also didn't like his performance being digitally manipulated.
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Jul 26, 2007 9:36:05 AM CDT
There was a second shot from Greedo. And Han shot first
by crichtonastronut
Greedo pulled his gun out under the table getting ready to shoot Han while they were talking. Han either hear the gun being drawn or figured what Greedo would do and shot first.
Greedo fired as he was hit but the impact of the blast shifted the angle of the shot so that the blast went past Han instead of into him. That's why it was important that he did shoot first otherwise he'd have been dead.
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Greedo was shot from the grassy knoll on the other side of the bar. You can tell because his body is thrown back and to the left....back and to the left. Han was a patsy. Also, this just in...Peter Mayhew was spotted wearing a shirt that said, "Chewbacca really said URRRNGHH, AHHH ROWL." This completely contradicts the original version where he clearly says "URRRNGHH, ROWL AHHH."
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This admission is nothing new. Sure, it may be the first time we've seen the shirt, but Han Shot First was even used to advertise the release of the unaltered OT on DVD. I even wrote about it in May of 2006. http://www.fountofuseless.info/2006/05/han-shoots-first.html
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Here is the tinyurl http://tinyurl.com/ypctmy
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The *new* spin-off from this site.
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then I would love him.
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Enough. You are all morons. Learn about art. Learn about film. Then take every bonehead opinion of yours and shove it. Morons, the lot of ya. Except that antonphd guy, I agree with him.
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In the '97 ESB Special Edition, he added Luke screaming after he jumped on Cloud City after Vaders revelation. Even Mark Hammill was not happy with that change, as I remember reading in a interview with him once. In the 2004 ESB DVD's, the scream was gone! Lets hope Lucas put's back Sebastian Shaw in the next SE, cause that is the #2 fuckedup change behind Greedo shooting first. JediRocks is #3.
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He pulled all 3 of those movies out of his ass. Didn't he only start writing each script months before they went into production, finishing them mere moments before cameras rolled? The 3rd movie might as well have had Pee Wee Herman singing in the end credits... "Connect the dots... LA LA LA LA! Connect the dots... LA LA LA LA!!!"
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How does George's cock taste? I bet that was you I saw at Target the other day, with the 10 re-re-re-re-re-re-release Star Wars figures in your hand. This is 2007, not 1996, get over it already.
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i never really gave a fuck about this - for me it was a blink and you miss it moment, totally irrelevant to the character or the films. whether or not he shot Greedo first didn't define his character as much as, say, redeeming himself by returning to help Luke twat the Death Star or any of his other numerous actions. it is impressive how many people do give a fuck about this.
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Peter Jackson wears a shirt saying "worship me for risking my own career to kill Jack Shit Black's career with King Kong". i would buy one, and indeed worship the New Zealander.
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He builds a empire from kids due his Star Wars fanbase, then he remakes his films, all but destroying everything those fans came to know and love, and goes on to make very poor quality sequels. These piss poor movies forever alter the originals ny totally disregarding 20 years of mythology and lore he himself authorized; and now, years later, he still likes twisting the knife in those very people who made him.
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JediRocks is the worst thing ever. It makes me very, very, sad. They even sing to the camera!!!!
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even though he helped slaughter millions of beings. That's bullshit. It would have been nice to see how devastatingly Sidious manipulated and brainwashed Anakin and forced him to commit evil against his will, but no. He was a whiny, complicit and unredeemable snake. I spit on Darth Vader, and I spit on Star Wars.
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Gee, nice one there from a guy who thinks of himself as an elf. So do any of you actually think you could write a better script than Lucas? Well, why don't you? That's right, you can't. You don't have talent. He does. Ok, this is pointless. You're all obviously too thickheaded to understand this man's legacy and how fine these movies (yeah, all 6) truly are. He's done nothing to ruin anything for any of you. He's only put his vision out there, which I know is more than any of you can claim. Bow to him, peons.
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the gayest website evar yay.
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you are avoiding the question. Also, how is it interning there at Skywalker Ranch? I can't believe Lucas has you guys defending him on the 'net. Do you guys get free stuff from the Star Wars.com store?
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Han Solo takes a heroes journey in Star Wars from a selfish pirate to joining the rebellion. It makes sense that Solo would shoot first. he's ruthless, smart, and protects himself. By having Greedo shoot first, Lucas 'softened' Solo's character. It's indicative of the fact that Lucas became more interested in CG technology than good storytelling. THAT'S WHY PEOPLE GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THIS.
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should've unfolded that way...
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=nb4TstBBHYE
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Oh yeah, you got me. I'm dodging your gay question. I'm flattered you'd think I could get an internship at Skywalker Ranch, that's pretty fucking competitive. Thanks for the kudos. Willie, the prequels are great storytelling too - certainly no worse than the OT. And why shouldn't Lucas also be interested in CG since it frees you to accomplish whatever your imagination can muster (i.e. the greatest set pieces ever put on film)? And you don't get to say who Han Solo is, only Lucas has that privilege, it's his character after all, and he can change it all he likes. You people treat these movies as though they are some sacred text that can not be tampered with, which in effect takes all the fun out of them. No wonder you don't like them. I give a fuck because you ignorant fanboys don't give Lucas the credit he deserves as a film pioneer and an artist. An ARTIST? Yeah, what he has done with the series is literary, and no one seems to appreciate it on that level. Who cares about petty details in a fantasy epic anyway? Even Joseph Campbell explains how SW is art in the Power of Myth. You know, Joseph Campbell, one of the 20th century's greatest intellectuals? No? Anyway, he was a pretty damn smart dude, and he recognized Lucas as an artist, rightly so. God, I love being bored at work.
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...get ready for a new Indy IV talkback in less than 7 hours...[I guess]... I've already put some booze into the fridge.
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I think not. He would have viewed the Prequels as the thing that effectively destroyed whatever mythology Star Wars had, which was pretty thin to begin with. Star Wars was once the great modern myth. Now it's just 3 okay movies to have on while you're browsing the Net.
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with those bastard creations called the Prequel Trilogy and Special Editions. I credit Lucas for making another $Billion with the biggest fuck-up in Hollywood history.Who do I credit for ANH and ESB, two decent movies? His ex-wife, Irvin Kershner, and the cast and crew who spoke up against his horrendous dialogue.
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oh, this is tiring, but i have to stick up for lucas as an artist. perhaps a thesis would better suffice, but for now, i'll just say i take pride in being one of the few people that see the prequels and OT for the beautiful films they are. the prequels - put them up against the matrix, or pirates, or any of the other SW wannabes out there and they stand high and above the rest. and they enhance the OT, not detract from it. the set pieces alone are among the best i've ever seen. who really cares about the dialogue anyway? it's not what these movies are about. campbell acknowledged that, as an artist, lucas took care to render the message he wanted to convey to his audience. i doubt he would have held the prequels in any less regard as they were simply an extension of the mythology, but who knows, he's dead. i can't speak for him, only infer based on what he's said about lucas's work in the past. you fanboys tend to hang on your expectations and fail to see how much heart has gone into each and every one of the SW films. SW is as much about the process, as the final product. they don't have to be high brow, or even well-written, to be high art. and it's not Lucas's fault he made so much money. i'm wasting my breath here, but i love provoking you fanboys and standing up for lucas as an artist, which no one seems capbable of seeing him as such, except Campbell and couple other intelligent people i know. peace.
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You're trying to reason with a community that prefers the Pirates of the Caribbean sequels--a pair of horrid confections rightfully despised by critics--to Revenge of the Sith, a superlative genre film that was ranked alongside ANH and TESB at the time of its release (though you wouldn't know it here, what with their "Holy Trilogy" bullshit). My advice: Leave and enjoy the criminally savaged prequels. Time will vindicate you.
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Seriously Old News.
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..its Luciano Pavarotti..(ok..next..)
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George Lucas Rap.... shut up!
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Wow AICN, way to be on top of things.
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Thanks for that. I can't really seem to help myself. I know going into these talkbacks that it's a futile effort to defend the prequels and lucas, but I get a kick out of it all the same. Cheers!
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how much more time does he need? It's almost been 10 years, and the negative opinions have only worsened.
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The consensus on ROTS hasn't changed (many fans and critics rank it either #2 or #3 in the saga, depending on their adoration for ANH) and the animus for TPM has quelled considerably. I think it's likely there will be a reappraisal of the PT in 5-7 years.
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Only worsened in your mind. He's already adding the fully digital Yoda back into TPM, which is just a great film by the way. As are AOTC and ROTS. I think Liam Neeson said it best when he said "these films will be watched and loved a hundred years from now." And he's right. They are timeless, and I enjoy them more with each viewing, including the OT (especially now since the PT has given it all new depth and resonance). That's it for me. I can't add anymore to this debate. Prequels and Special Editions and the originals all rock. George, and the talent he surrounded himself with, have given us all something to enjoy both as adults and children for the rest of our lives. Not that you should watch them all the time. Once a year or so. Be sure to read a good book now and then. And there's more than SW to love. Herzog, Bergman, and a multitude of others. Film plain rocks, and SW is among the best of it. Peace out, y'all.
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