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Two Spies Open Fire On THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM!

Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here. Saw this one tonight. Gonna write a review right now. In the meantime, check out this first guy’s reaction:

I just got back from a guild screening at the Pacific Design Center in Los Angeles (nice theater but not enough legroom) for “The Bourne Ultimatum,” and it may be the best thing I’ve seen all summer. Director Paul Greengrass did a q & a afterward. The movie’s story is told well and classily. You’ll be glad for the few breaks in the action, if only to catch your breath before the next one. It’s action packed, but not bloated as many of the other summer action flicks are. We follow Bourne from Moscow to London to Madrid to Tangiers to…you get the idea. And in each country we’re treated to an insanely entertaining, skilled chase/fight sequence as Bourne uses his CIA spy/assassin skills to run rings around the agents and “assets” (the CIA doesn’t come out and use the word assasin or hitman apparently) sent to kill him. These are all crosscut with the machinations of some slimy CIA bigwigs in Langley and New York, played by Scott Glenn and the excellent David Strathairn, while Joan Allen continues her fine work as Bourne’s ally(?) who starts to realize something fishy’s going on in her own office. These bits are quite well done as well. We’re sort of used to bullpen/control center exposition sets, but here these help the story along crisply and handily. With modern thrillers requiring a certain amount of computer screen gazing and keyboard tapping, Greengrass makes it all part of the suspenseful atmosphere. Julia Stiles still seems way too naïve to have ever been a good CIA agent, but here she’s the centerpiece of one of the most suspensful chase sequences I’ve seen in a long time, as Bourne tries to reach her before an Algerian “asset” does. I don’t want to spoil the action sequences but suffice it to say they are still incredible. In some spots it’s clear that the filmakers were in fully functioning, insanely crowded locations, as quite a few bystanders can be seen to be openly staring at the actors, cell phone cameras on the quick-draw. In his q & a Greengrass mentioned that they knew places like Waterloo Station in London simply couldn’t be shut down for filming and he and his mostly hand-held cameras had to make the most of it, shifting locations within a location when crowds got too thick. Considering the details of each sequence it’s easy to believe him when he said they spent nearly 120 days to film the picture. A few words on Matt Damon: he just gets better and better with each film he does. He’s a pleasure to watch in every frame. The way the character fights, with brutal, cool, yet sometimes reluctant efficiency, is a far cry from the bravado and snark of “Die Hard” and “Pirates.” There’s a realism to the violence in these movies—we know no-one is superhuman, even though there’s no way mere mortals could survive the punishment Bourne takes. To a degree, things follow the laws of physics, but that doesn’t make smashing cars any less spectacular. The obstacles to Bourne’s quest to literally find himself are so overwhelming that we can’t help but be swept up in desperately wanting to know how he became the tortured killing machine that he is. Something I have to note: the movie clocks in at a whisker under 2 hours. We seem to be in a period where so many movies feel that have to pin you to the seat for 2 ½ hours or more, often for no good reason. This was a thrilling tale economically told, and God bless everyone involved for that! I haven’t read any Ludlum so I can’t say if this is a fair translation of the book, but it’s a wonderfully entertaining movie that won’t insult your intelligence while still giving you a thumping good time. Did I mention the action sequences were good? --maatkare

And then this guy, who was evidently at the same screening I was this evening:

Hello Moriarty, this is Futuramafan1987 reviewing the film The Bourne Ultimatum, which was screened at the Archlight in Hollywood. *Warning. Mild Spoilers* Jason Bourne is back on the big screen after a 3 year hiatus, and this time, he's coming home to where his career as an assassin all began. After the great Bourne Supremacy, I was anxiously waiting the next installment in the Bourne Franchise. Luckily, while going to see Sunshine at the Archlight in Hollywood, someone was giving out tickets for the third installment in the series. I quickly grabbed the ticket and called my friend, who was just as excited as I am. So, after 1 Hour and 51 Minutes, was it all worth it? Read On. The Bourne Ultimatum takes place a mere six weeks after the events of Supremacy. Jason Bourne has found out that a newspaper journalist has been running stories about him, and Bourne want to find out the source. Unfortunately, before he could get much info, the journalist is killed by a assassin named Paz. Bourne gets away, and tries to find the contact. Meanwhile, Pamela Landy(Joan Allen) has to deal with a new person dead set on having Bourne killed, and Bourne ends up getting help from the most unlikely person, Nicky Parsons(Julia Stiles). Soon, Bourne is racing against the clock, fighting more bad guys trying to kill him, all the while regaining his memory as to why he became the person he is now. I have been a fan of the Bourne films series since the first film in 2002. Apparently, Ultimatum is the last film of the franchise, and honesty, it could have ended on such a higher note. Multiple questions are answered, and the action is exciting as ever. From the first reel,to the last, the film moves at a breakneck pace, not letting go until the credits roll. Multiple surprises are in store, such as a possible history with Bourne and Nicky. Also, lookout for the connection between the ending of the second film, and the third movie. Like most sequels, the only direction the action can go is up. The fights are more brutal (especially a fight between Bourne and another assassin), and the big car chase towards the end tops the one from Supremacy. The camerawork, flaw for some people in the second film, is much better this time around. However, though it's not as shaky as it was the first time around, it still shakes around a bit during the action moments, but not enough to be distracting. The score, once again, compliments the action on screen, and definitely a soundtrack I'll be seeking out once it is released. The film works well as a final chapter, though it sort of opens up for one more, if it ends here, then it will be fine. The Bourne Ultimatum is easily not only the best of the three films, but is actually the best threquel of this year, topping the third installments of Spider-Man, Shrek, and Pirates. Seek it out when it comes out August 3rd. Futuramafan1987 out.
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  • July 24, 2007, 3:07 a.m. CST

    The Bourne Movies...

    by buster00

    ..haven't disappointed yet. Can't wait.

  • July 24, 2007, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Just hope the damn editing is less ADD than Supremacy

    by Steve Rogers

    ...other than that am really looking forward to it.

  • July 24, 2007, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Sooo, what's with the second review?

    by jumba7777

    "I have been a fan of the Bourne films series since the first film in 2002. Apparently, Ultimatum is the last film of the franchise, and honesty, it could have ended on such a higher note. Multiple questions are answered, and the action is exciting as ever." What the fuck? He said it could've ended on such a higher note, then he goes on praising the movie for the rest of the review. Am I missing someting?

  • July 24, 2007, 3:24 a.m. CST

    "it could have ended on such a higher note"

    by bluelou_boyle

    Err, what ? I think he meant to say, "it couldn't have ended on a higher note". Excellent news. I hope BU contains quiet mometns, of real emotion, like BS did, as ell as great action. (the ending when Bourne apologises to the Russian girl). It's these moments that really make the Bourne series tand out.

  • July 24, 2007, 3:34 a.m. CST

    GREENGRASS IS GOD

    by Derek Wildstarr

    greengrass, neil blokamp, soderberg and abrams, they're the dudes with the documentary style and authentic feel. the bourne movies are realistic, a rare feat in today's hollywood.

  • July 24, 2007, 3:53 a.m. CST

    At last, a good summer movie

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Greengrass the adult comes along and slaps kids Verbinski, Wiseman, Raimi and Bay and shows them how to make a real film. Bring it on.

  • July 24, 2007, 4:06 a.m. CST

    Hope they've cut back on the shakycam this time round..

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...to much shakycam makes Sledge Hammer something something.

  • July 24, 2007, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Matt Damon

    by barnaby jones

    For me he just doesn't convince in the action man role, with or with out shaky cam.

  • July 24, 2007, 4:56 a.m. CST

    PLANT WRITING STYLE

    by Ray Gamma

    it may be a good movie indeed, but, for God's sake don't insult us with these junior-writer plants, they're style of "reviewing" is painfully transparent.

  • July 24, 2007, 5:06 a.m. CST

    STUPID POSTER'S WRITING STYLE

    by revam

    It's "their", not "they're". For God's sake, run your posts on spell check before criticising someone writing style.

  • July 24, 2007, 5:15 a.m. CST

    United 93

    by wanton_wallie

    United 93 was amazing, one of the best movies last year. Greengrass is becoming one of the best directors of our time... hopefully not much shakycam here.

  • July 24, 2007, 5:24 a.m. CST

    Sounds like the last one!

    by FILMFUNK

    Hope the Spazzy Epi-Cam isn't in over drive or I might just have to walk this time. Don't get all the praise for United 93? I thought Flight 93 was just as good.

  • July 24, 2007, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Damon=half a fag

    by redfist

    but he's rocking the shit in this one. I don't have any problem seeing Damon as an action guy. And I don't mind the ShAkY-CaM.

  • July 24, 2007, 5:45 a.m. CST

    The Bourne Movies = Most influental action series

    by Klaus Herzog

    of the last decade. Just look at stuff like "Shooter" or even "Casino Royale". They ripped the Bourne-style off heavily in those movies. I for one enjoyed the shit out of the first two, but I hope there's less shaky-cam in the third one. They overdid it a bit in the second one. But noe doubt, I will see this.

  • July 24, 2007, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Matt Damon can convince as anything

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I think so, anyway. Very good actor, and has an uncanny ability to pick just the right film. Unlike his buddy Ben, who is cursed with the exact opposite ability. Except for Hollywoodland - he was good in that one.<p>Also, Damon has made two of my favourite out of the blue, very funny cameo appearances - Confessions Of A Dangerous Mind and the one and only EuroTrip. Scotty doesn't know and that.<p>Anyway, I'm looking forward to this new Bourne adventure. Should be good.

  • July 24, 2007, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Two Spies Open Fire On

    by palewook

    wtf? neither review is bad. your title implies they shot the movie or gave bad reviews of it.

  • July 24, 2007, 6:17 a.m. CST

    Can't wait!

    by photoboy

    Neither review feels very plant-ish, so I'm very excited to see this now. I really enjoyed the first two, they were so different from the other generic action films out there. They reminded me of the brilliance of the first Mission Impossible, before Cruise turned them into brainless action movies.<br><br> Damon really does a fantastic job as Bourne, right down to the way he walks; that calm, determined stride he uses is so effective. Just from that walk you know he has a plan and he's in control. I think if you ever see him running you know he's in some really deep shit.

  • July 24, 2007, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Bourne flicks = thinking persons' action movie

    by Yeti

    Sharp and quick with some brutally intense action scenes. Can. Not. Wait. :D

  • July 24, 2007, 6:37 a.m. CST

    palewook beat me to it

    by Lost Prophet

    I was thinking that. Both reviews were good (and not over-planty). Thank god, some hope left for the summer.

  • July 24, 2007, 6:54 a.m. CST

    NICE!!

    by moviemaniac-7

    I'm a big fan of these movies and I can't wait to see this one. Sadly, I'll be traveling again and the best shot is to see it in the coming weeks in a German dubbing or so (yes, I am going to Berlin, setting of the second and strangely, I've been to Goa, India, earlier this year...) Sounds cool so far!!

  • July 24, 2007, 7:07 a.m. CST

    I was pleased to wake up to this

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    positive reviews and a mostly positive talkback. This is THE summer movie I have been waiting to see. The few who know me here know that I love me some Bourne. I'm very excited; geek style. These films are fantastic. Smart action films. Matt Damon for the win. Hurry up August 3rd!

  • July 24, 2007, 7:21 a.m. CST

    bourne to be bad

    by misnomer

    still bourne. bourne on the fourth of july. the possibilities are endless. not the best of three films? that is a little worrying given the crap movies trend this year. is that code for not as good as the second? ah well- im definately seeing this anyway

  • July 24, 2007, 7:34 a.m. CST

    yup.

    by palewook

    with the crap that has been in the theaters this year, looking forward to this as well.

  • July 24, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Considine?

    by Spartacus Hughs

    What about Paddy?

  • July 24, 2007, 7:48 a.m. CST

    finally

    by surfsup22

    a decent movie worth seeing.

  • July 24, 2007, 7:49 a.m. CST

    i hope they leave it as a trilogy

    by Automation Overlord

    these movies rock, but they should be left as a trilogy, they are spy films, but they are more about a personal journey, and that journey obviously comes to an end in ultimatum. i hope for the sake of film it just remains a trilogy, however universal is itching for a franchise and with HD DVD failing they are gonna be looking to make some money back on that blunder. So it wouldn't surprise me to see a bourne 4 down the road

  • July 24, 2007, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Does he fight Cletus Van Damme in this one?

    by GrandMuffTarkin

    You Shield fans all know what I'm talkin' bout. Natch.

  • July 24, 2007, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Cletus Van Damme - Greatest pseudonym of all time

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    It should really be in the Guiness book of world records.<p>Way to go, Shane.

  • July 24, 2007, 8:18 a.m. CST

    can't wait

    by Trooperof3

    I know the writer said that they are going to make 2 more Bourne Books but i think Damon doesn't want to be stuck doing this all the time. Damon is god

  • July 24, 2007, 8:20 a.m. CST

    This will be good. Last hope for Summer movies

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Bloody Sunday's great as well

  • July 24, 2007, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Greengrass has Palsy-cam

    by aboriginal

    Geez, what can sometimes work on TV does not work on a 60 foot movie screen. Watching the dailes on a 26' monitor doesn't quite give the same seasick feel that the movie goer experiences. I love the series, but I do not need to be up Matt Damon's armpit to enjoy the kickass fight sequences that are essentially wasted choreography when much of it isn't even in-camera.

  • July 24, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    VFX editors did a great job on this!

    by Uncapie

    Outstanding looking stuff!

  • July 24, 2007, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Spidey 3 is the best threequel

    by BrowncoatJedi

    Can't top Saturday Night Fever Peter!

  • July 24, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST

    3:10 to Yuma

    by greyspecter

    Hey there's a cool poster over at comingsoon.net. This movie looks like it could be the first decent western since Tombstone. Was there another filmed version of it?

  • July 24, 2007, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Why can't Greengrass hold the goddamn camera still?!

    by SpyGuy

    If the trailers are any indication, this will be another BOURNE film ruined by excessive Shakycam. Pull the camera back, Paul, and set it on a stand so I can actually watch what's happening in these fight scenes that are presumably incredibly badass!

  • July 24, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    the shaky-cam trend

    by kafka07

    I think directors in general are finally getting passed it now, thankfully. And Greengrass is a trustworthy director. I'm looking forward to the film. It's one of the few I am seeing this summer, after becoming so cynical from Spider-3.

  • July 24, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    do i need to bring dramamine?

    by pikagreg

    I just need to know beforehand if i need to bring the motion sickness pills, because of the camera work

  • July 24, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    James Bourne

    by apersonofinterest

    Why keep this series as a trilogy when it could easily be the new Bond Franchise? Especially given the latest news on the next Bond flick.. http://tinyurl.com/2ncnwu With the 22nd Bond about to go into production, Craig has disclosed that a shift in tone is in the offing. "The producers have told me that they want more gags," the actor is reported to have said. "The next one's going to be a lot funnier [with] Octopussy and Pussy Galore-style gags."

  • July 24, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Is that MOBY song "extreme ways" at the end?

    by Mike_D

    Its gotta be, its at the end of the last two.

  • July 24, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    greyspecter - 3:10 to Yuma

    by palewook

    yes this is a remake. if you like westerns and haven't seen the original, look it up. its a classic.

  • July 24, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Im still not convinced

    by kilik777

    After Casino Royale the bar has been raised pretty high for spy movies. Bourne Supremacy is highly overrated so i hope this one is good. http://tinyurl.com/pv8do

  • July 24, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Maaaaaaaaat Daaaaaaaaaaamon

    by Goatboy

    Enjoyed the 1st one immensely so I read the books. Absolutely nothing like the movies at all bar the character names. Still good movies but they seem to have been turned into gritty chase movies instead of the political backstabbing and fight-for-life face offs between Bourne & Carlos.

  • July 24, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Bourne Supremacy is the best-made action / espionage

    by CreasyBear

    move ever. I've been looking forward to Ultimatum ever since I heard about the beginning of its shooting. Harry Potter 5 was a fantastic movie, on par with Azkaban (can't believe I'd ever get to say that), and with these two closing out the big summer season, the best was apparently saved for last. After Spidey 3, Pirates 3, and Transformers, things were looking awfully depressing, movie-wise.

  • July 24, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Bond vs. Bourne

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I was very disappointed to read that about Bond. What are they thinking? Casino Royale was successful for a reason. Oh well. That's why I like this type of spy/agent movie (Bourne) versus the Bond flicks. The Bond franchise is just plain stupid, save for Casino Royale. I really enjoyed that one. I thought it was a new, refreshing step in the right direction. Bourne kicks Bond's ass anyway. More resourceful i.e. not dependant on gagets which will no doubt be the order since they are bringing back all the unfunny jokes/puns. Craig was badass in Casino Royale, but I guess it was too good to be true...<P> This is of course all my personal opinion. I just don't like the old Bond flicks. <P>Of course I would like more Bourne, but I agree it should stay a trilogy. Damon's got Star Trek now, right? When do you think they will officially announce that one?

  • July 24, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    is the same director as the last one?

    by El Borak

    shaky cam man?

  • July 24, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    by CreasyBear

    I bet you're right. Casino Royale was a breath of fresh air, stylistically, but the filmmakers seem eager to steer the franchise back to the more goofy elements that made it seem stale in the first place. Unlike you, though, I actually did enjoy some of the older Bond movies before, submarine-cars and all. It's just that, after the first two Bourne movies and the Austin Powers spoofs, the silliness of Bond seemed, . . . corny. I can enjoy these Bourne movies while they last, though, I suppose, and hope that Daniel Craig isn't driving an invisible car in the next Bond.

  • July 24, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    one of the reasons they're good

    by El Borak

    is because of the huge as books ludlum wrote. if they started making films with no book background it would suck.

  • July 24, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    El Borak

    by Goatboy

    The problem I've found is that the films bear absolutely no relation to the books whatsoever except for a bloke called Bourne being shot at a bit. The book for "Ultimatum" has Bourne spending 99% of his time in the Far East as his wife gets into more scrapes than he and they are both trying to bring down The Jackal whilst protecting their family. Throw in lots of political meandering about the handover of Hong Kong from the UK and the financial market plot and you'd have a 5hr film. The trailer tells me Bourne punches a lot of people and does Evil Knevil tricks whilst menacing a woman on the phone? It'll be a good film but bugger all to do with the books, same with Identity & Supremacy

  • July 24, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    You people should watch his United 93

    by Conqueror Worm

    Thats a class piece of work, greengrass is god, no doubt, there was no mention of paddy considine in the reviews, hes an actor to look out for, check out Dead Mans Shoes and Romeo Brass for examples of sheer genius acting. I absolutely cannot wait for this film - what greengrass has done for the trilogy! its crazy that a director was let loose on these films, but it happened and by the sounds of it he's given us the best action trilogy EVER!

  • July 24, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    RE: You people should watch his United 93

    by Conqueror Worm

    ..sorry....i meant director such as greengrass....oops.....soz....piss off....we all make misstakes.

  • July 24, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Bourne Books

    by greyspecter

    The movies have been utter quality, but I still think the premise of Supremacy was much cooler in the book version: the original Bourne must track down and capture the younger pretender in order to save his wife and stop a catastrophic economic collapse in the far east. the whole schizophrenia of Bourne/Webb/Cain thing just adds to the tension, something they've left out of the movies. Maybe that'll be a feature of this one.

  • July 24, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    shaky cam

    by 24200124

    Towards the end of the 90's, action movies were getting stale - lots of sweeping crane shots, angles that didn't really put you in the thick of things, and stale cliche'd cinematography. It seemed that a lot of action films during this period had a lot of Jan De Bont influence - please note his cinematography in "Die Hard", "Lethal Weapon 3", and even some of his operator work in his directorial debut, "Speed" - and it's painfully obvious. When Robert Rodriguez burst onto the scene in 1993 with "El Mariachi", he ushered in a small movement of "be-there-as-it-happens-right-beside-you" realism. In his book "Rebel Without A Crew" and on his commentary for "El Mariachi", he gives the advice of giving a movie a lot of energy by not having the camera locked down. Directors have separately taken this aspect of documentary style/handheld and run with it, applying it to genres far and wide. Sometimes, it yields impressive results, but sometimes, you get action and motion sequences that make you ill, like those found in "The Blair Witch Project", "Batman Begins" and "The Bourne Supremacy". Don't get me wrong, I completely love those two movies, but the up-close-and-personal fight scenes did make me a little queasy in the theaters. Watching them on DVD, however, is not so bad. I do like the realism - these films are trying to capture the fact that in a fight, anything can and will happen, and the camera is being used to that extent. That's the only way I can put up with shaky-cam, and that's to rationalize it that way. I am definitely looking forward to "The Bourne Ultimatum", and I have every faith that it will live up to the expectations set by the previous two films. Great reviews above!

  • July 24, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Bourne Ultimatum won't disappoint.

    by Toby___Wong

    I am eagerly awaiting that movie. It will probably be the most entertaining movie of the year.

  • July 24, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    re: "love those two movies"

    by 24200124

    ... It should be "love those last two movies". Lost my taste for "Blair Witch" after the pointless, gotta-cash-in-while-we-can sequel.

  • July 24, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    first movie: "who am i?!" second movie: "who am i?!"

    by Mike_D

    third movie: "oh, ok."

  • July 24, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Less Shaky Camera-work? Count me in...

    by Forsakyn

    I was one of those that couldn't stand the camera-work in the second Bourne movie. I still liked it, but I want to see smooth camera-work during big action sequences so I can appreciate what's going on.

  • July 24, 2007, 12:06 p.m. CST

    conqueror worm

    by PVIII

    Doug Liman directed the first Bourne.

  • July 24, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Still wont forgive Greengrass for United 93.

    by wowsah156

    In spite of Greengrass's apparent talent i cant fogive him for agreeing to direct United 93. If Greengrass can continue to make good movies and stay away from propaganda i will forgive him. But until then Greengrass i dont forgive you.

  • July 24, 2007, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Great News

    by tk 421

    I enjoyed both of the first films and didn't even mind the shaky cam in Supremacy. What made it stand out was the insane car chase at the end of the flick. I'm a sucker for excellent car chases, (Ronin, Bullitt, Supremacy etc.) so to hear that there's an even bigger/cooler chase in this one makes me kind of giddy.

  • July 24, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Propaganda?

    by tk 421

    In what way was United 93 propaganda? Granted, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I didn't see any propaganda, just a well told and well directed movie about a horrible event. But, I'm interested to hear what about that movie is propaganda.

  • July 24, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    How are the facts deemed "propaganda?"

    by TheKeenGuy

    Yeah, United 93 strived to do nothing except tell the story as closely to the way it actually happened as possible, and without any political commentary. It's maybe the least propagadistic film I've ever seen.

  • July 24, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Supremacy and shaky-cam...

    by trojanwilliams

    Supremacy was a little difficult to follow for me in the theatre because of the camera work. After I watched it again on DVD I didn't find it nearly as distracting though. <br><br>I wonder if Greengrass and the editors didn't realize how distracting it was going to be while shooting it because they were watching/editing the dailies on smaller screens. On a small screen the shaky cam came across as kinetic and intense and actually worked very well. In the theater it gave me a headache...maybe the camera work was lost in translation.

  • July 24, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    wowsah156...

    by trojanwilliams

    Did you watch United 93? Or are you just working off of the "too soon" mantra that surrounded the film? Like the other posters here I don't get how you make United 93 into a propaganda film. Considering the subject matter United 93 might be the least propaganda driven American film this decade. Please explain yourself

  • July 24, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Identity vs Supremacy

    by papawapa

    I really enjoyed the first film but just couldn't get into the sequel at all. The story just didn't grab me as much as the first. Maybe I should give Supremacy a second viewing.

  • July 24, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST

    never a fan of Damon, but

    by tonamania

    enjoyed the first two movies. This will probably be the best action movie of the summer. (Take that up your yippe li ya motherf(gunshot), Walter B.)

  • July 24, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    "action packed"

    by tonamania

    could be like the meat in a subway sandwich - it's there, but so are the big chunks of tasteless bread surrounding it.

  • July 24, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Bourne is not bond

    by Automation Overlord

    The bourne movies are more about a long agent who is searching for who he really is and how he got messed up in all this, he's trying to solve his own mystery, not the mystery his agenct sent him to solve. Bond on the other hand is generally working in favour of Mi6, he knows what he's doing and who he can trust. the bourne movies are great but i don't consider them in the same league as the bond films

  • July 24, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Jason Bourne has chosen HD-DVD, here's why...

    by Johnno

    It's because the format's future is 'shaky' at best... Now I'm off to watch the new gameplay footage of Metal Gear Solid 4 for the 5th time today and you bet I'll be paying that game when it releases with a good choice of camera angle on a Blu-Ray Disc!

  • July 24, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    El Borak

    by Richard Thornberg

    "if they started making films with no book background it would suck." Eh? One of the great things about the first two Bournes is that they don't adhere to Ludlum's plodding, poorly written books. If you want to see how that turns out, rent the 1980s TV movie with Richard Chamberlain & The Chick From Charlie's Angels.

  • July 24, 2007, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Goatboy

    by El Borak

    well i haven't read em, so point taken. still if they make more you know they'll suck. we'll get "the bourne ascendency" or "the bourne requiem". shit, that don't sound to bad. ok, i have no point.

  • July 24, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Whoops

    by Futuramafan1987

    I meant to say "It Couldn't have ended on a higher note" Sorry for the confusion.

  • July 24, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    I thought Oceans was the best 3quel

    by s0nicdeathmonkey

    anyone else?

  • July 24, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    MATT....DAMON!!!!!!

    by smackfu

    I'm sorry, but it had to be said. I've experienced something a few times in my life with movies, where without any influence of drugs or alcohol, I completely forget every trace of a movie about 3 hours after I've seen it. The first time it happened was with the Mario Van Peebles epic Solo. Literally, I woke up the next morning and all I could remember about the movie was that it had a couple of black guys in it and there was a jungle scene. Same with Bourne Identity and Bourne II: The Reckoning. All I remember is that the guy had memory problems, there was a sniper rifle and a car chase. I think it is because these movies are so tragically boring that my mind just goes somewhere else, similar to the defence mechanisms that block trauma memories, or they are just so completely un-notable that my mind doesn't bother actually recording any memories of them. Sort of like how you don't have to burn every memory of every car you see on the street. You know what a Mercedes looks like, and you know what red looks like, so you don't nessecarily have to remember every red Mercedes you see. So basically I know what a bland action film set in europe looks like, and I know what Matt Damon looks like, so no need to record anything.

  • July 24, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Can't fricken wait, this is the ONE true BB for summer!

    by KillaKane

    Greengrass& Damon, Paddy Considine= Fried Gold Class! John Powell's music eclipses unkle Zimmer's, looking forward to hearing the new score. BRING IT! ;-)

  • July 24, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Bourne series is probably...

    by Magic Rat

    the most underrated trilogy you can think of. It's rare you find a trilogy that gets better each successive movie.

  • July 24, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    United 93

    by apersonofinterest

    The reason I am against this movie is that it is all based on speculation and "facts" provided by the Bush Administration, The 9/11 Commission (Lackeys), and Faux News (More Lackeys). It has nothing to do with "too soon" and everything to do with "too made-up". You can make shit up with fictional material but they really took liberties with United 93.

  • July 24, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    'It's rare you find a trilogy that gets better each

    by smackfu

    successive movie'. That tends to happen when a series has no where to go but up. I found the same to be true about the Ghoulies series. It just got better and better with each movie.

  • July 24, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Bourne vs. Bond II

    by apersonofinterest

    Casino Royale was definitely influenced by the Bourne Movies. A formula that worked out well for them considering it was the highest grossing Bond Movie ever. They should stick with the stolen formula that made Bond relevant again.

  • July 24, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Wow, it tops Shrek and Spiderman III?

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    Just being snarky. These were both really informative and well-written reviews, and this movie sounds fuckin' great. Keep "Die Hard," gimme Bourne and Rambo.

  • July 24, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST

    United 93

    by FreeKill

    Yeah, United 93 was a good movie, but it is a totally made up sequence of events and not fact. The whole movie is based on phone calls that supposedly took place between people on the plane and their loved ones and a crash site. There really is no other evidence at all...It was a great moving movie, just mostly fictional or at least fictional in the sense the director took many liberties in rounding out the events...

  • July 24, 2007, 3:41 p.m. CST

    "I always thought of Matt Damon as a Striesand

    by liljuniorbrown

    "But he's kicking ass" Paul Rudd 40 year Old Virgin, How can you not love the wisdom and writting of Judd Aptow? Anyway sI love me some Bourne Identity...shaky cam Bourne not so much,but still it was better than most things out there. I wonder if we go on a hunger strike if we can get Dark Knight or Iron Man early? Call me crazy but Dark Knight has me more excited every day. Is the real teaser on youtube yet?

  • July 24, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    United 93 made up fiction?

    by lost.rules

    All I can say is...I feel sorry for you.

  • July 24, 2007, 4:20 p.m. CST

    lohan is a dumb whore

    by El Borak

    ha! ha!

  • July 24, 2007, 5:41 p.m. CST

    93 best picture

    by Smurfette

    why no nom?

  • July 24, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Too Bond-y

    by Dr Gregory House

    Does this guy Bourne know who he is yet?!?! I mean, Christ on a camel!

  • July 24, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST

    united 93

    by slkboxrman

    saying that was an amazing movie is very retarded, especially since its a fictionalized account of what really happened...its government propaganda at its highest...of course the government will say they stopped the plane from crashing into the capitol and that they were all heroes. what do u expect them to say ? that they shot it down ? even that i doubt cuz there still is no evidence a plane even crashed, there was just a burn on the ground... but i know im sad right ? because our government would never lie to us, right ? we're america.... find some relatives of the folks the u.s government tested radiation on to see the effects, without their knowlege of course....im sure theyre very patriotic...

  • July 24, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST

    So what do you guys think REALLY happened on United 93?

    by J-Dizzle

    Did all the passengers remain frightened and seated while the plane went down?

  • July 24, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Who knows?

    by apersonofinterest

    Nobody knows what happened on that plane. That's the point. I love how Bush Lovers and "Patriots" always twist the argument by introducing the bizarre.."Who shot the plane down? Aliens? Bigfoot? or else they demand that you tell them, "Well who did it then?" "Where did the plane go? Did they shoot all of the passengers? etc.

  • July 24, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST

    "Nobody knows what happened on that plane."

    by J-Dizzle

    Exactly, all he had was tapes and recordings of phone calls. Greengrass worked with what information was known about the flight and made the best movie he could possibly make. You can hardly fault him for that. And exactly what the hell is wrong with believing that some of the passengers went down with the plane in a blaze of glory? What's wrong with the notion that may be, just may be, they did have the guts to take the plane back and take the fight to plane jackers? Absolutely nothing. Perhaps if you proposed some strong evidence to prove that didn't happen then may be we wouldn't be justified. But, alas, you haven't. That fact that you typed "Who knows?" as an answer to the question of what really happened is an indication that you do not have said evidence. So far all you've given us is, "Our government lied to us." I hate to break it to you, but our government has been lying to us for the past 50+ years at least, regardless of who's in charge. But that doesn't mean to say that every single incident, every single statement made, during that time is also lie. I'm sorry, but I don't buy into this whole "Bush lied about one thing therefore he must have lied about everything" fallacy. I wouldn't be a centrist if I did, I would just be another member of the left-wing sheeple club.

  • July 24, 2007, 7:53 p.m. CST

    United 93

    by FreeKill

    There is a big difference between making a movie and actually going off known facts. The movie needed to fill the gaps of missing information, and I think Greengrass's story of heroes taking back the plane was as good an option as you could probably ever hope for. My problem with the movie is some people hold it up as better then it actually is, because they consider it a tribute to the heroes that died on that plane. The fact is though, there were never any bodies found at the crash site and there was never any wreckage from a plane found. So, the bottom line is , no one but the people who responded first knows what the fuck happened that day...PERIOD. For all we know it went down just like the movie says it did or maybe Aliens beamed up the plane on its way. Who knows...To treat the movie like a retelling of factual events is fundamentally incorrect.

  • July 24, 2007, 8:26 p.m. CST

    "Who knows"?

    by tk 421

    That's probably the weakest argument that I've heard from any conspiracy theorist. Of course we know what happened. If you go to sleep at night and you wake up and there's snow on the ground, then you pretty much know that is snowed last night. As opposed to fucking aliens who shit a snow like substance came down and took a shit on your yard during the night. The plane was flying, then it went off the radar and there was a big fucking crash site approx. where air traffic control lost contact. So what can you infer from those facts? Aliens have beamed up the airplane and left all that wreckage on the same exact day that terrorists hijacked other planes? That's the stupidest shit that I've heard.

  • July 24, 2007, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Most overrated franchise ever

    by superunknown85

    Take Connery-era James Bond, add the action style of Ronin, and you've got the Bourne movies. Not to mention the fact that Supremacy was nothing more of a remake of Identity. They're exactly the same movie. I'll give Ultimatum a chance but this will never be a "classic" trilogy.

  • July 24, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST

    left-wing sheeple club

    by TheNorthlander

    I didn't know the US had a left wing?

  • July 24, 2007, 10:48 p.m. CST

    BINO

    by strangernparadis

    as the other two Bourne movies had absoluly nothing, other than title, in common with the books I suspect this one doesn't either. even taking away Bourne is supposed to be in his late 40s early 50s by this time. the movies are fun tho. I just have never understood buying a property and using hardly anything in it. but thats just me.

  • July 24, 2007, 10:56 p.m. CST

    strangernparadis

    by TheNorthlander

    Most great film adaptations have very little or almost nothing to do with the source material. Just look at Bladerunner, Total Recall, Die Hard, First Blood, Kubrik's The Shining (compared to the tv miniseries with the most annoying kid in the world) etc etc.

  • July 24, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Paul Greengrass is my favorite director...

    by LoneGun

    ...in the world right now. I absolutely loved "The Bourne Supremacy" and thought "United 93" was the bravest and most affecting movie of 2006. "Ultimatum" is the movie I've been looking forward to more than any other this year. It doesn't seem like AICN has had much coverage of this one, so I'm glad to see these reviews. Thanks.

  • July 25, 2007, 12:34 a.m. CST

    United 93

    by FreeKill

    TK 421 and zbob, that's an easy cop out. You just label us all as "conspiracy theorists" and then you can discredit everything we have to say. For your information, I don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist at all. I don't think Bush shot down the plane, I don't think it was hit by a beam from space, and I don't think that there was some nefarious plot. In fact, I think the most likely cause of the disappearance of Flight 93 is pretty much what was depicted in the movie, give or take. What I'm not is a blind little sheep that just takes everything I'm told and like it. Your arguement would be valid TK 421 if there was actually any wreckage or bodies at the "crash" site of United 93. Look it up, there was no plane wreckage and no bodies. My whole point is with this entire argument is I think it's stupid to label this movie anything but a fictional account of what might have happened on that day. None of you know what really happened to Flight 93, and nether do I...

  • July 25, 2007, 1:33 a.m. CST

    aren't the Bourne books dated?

    by Maniaq

    I've been trying to get through Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising and it's soooooooooo hard to get past all that Cold War crap coz the Iron Curtain came down and, hey, guess what, the Communists were just a bunch of regular people, too, and every time the author tries to build a little tension you just get so cynical and... <br> <br> Anyway the point is Doug Liman (remember him?) was right to update the story and he turned it into something quite exciting and believable and he ACTUALLY KNOWS how to handle a camera and I think his movie shits all over the Greengrass sequel. <br> <br> I think Greengrass should stick to documentaries or whatever they call these faux I-just-can't-believe-it's-not-a-documentary films like United 93 and the film industry won't have lost a damn thing...

  • July 25, 2007, 4:44 a.m. CST

    "no wreckage of UNITED 93"

    by bluelou_boyle

    There was no wreckage or bodies at the crash site becasue the plane slammed into the ground at a near vertical angle at 500 MILES PER HOUR. The plane and the passengers were pulverised.

  • July 25, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    So, we think the same thing?

    by tk 421

    So, FreeKill, you and I both think that the plane went down they way the official story says it did, right? But I'm the sheep? Is it because you did such exhaustive research about the crash that you can come to this conclusion without being a sheep? I bet you actually went to the crash site and investigated. Or, maybe you thoroughly read a few articles posted on Digg, because those are so reliable, Or better yet, you reviewed pictures on the internet! All in the comfort of your mom's basement. Congrats, dude, you definitely know what's what.

  • July 25, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Maniaq, SUPREMACY was supreme.

    by LoneGun

    I think Greengrass knows exactly what he is doing with his camera, putting the viewer right smack into the middle of the action, much the way Spielberg did with SAVING PRIVATE RYAN. I didn't at all get the feeling that SUPREMACY was documentary-like, except that it felt very real and immediate. And that made it a whole more enjoyable ride than THE BOURNE IDENTITY. I'm not knocking IDENTITY, which was terrific, but I thought SUPREMACY was massively better. The Moscow car chase scene alone, makes it a standout.

  • July 25, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    whatever happend to doug liman?

    by Automation Overlord

    he was amazing when he directed the first one, and i was super pissed that he handed over supremacy to shaky cam macgee, but i had hopes he'd return for ulimatum. Does anyone know why he never came back, identity was so much better then supremacy and it always pisses me off when different directors are involved with a trilogy. unless its a case like lucas and the OT, where he didn't direct the last 2 but still had full control over the movies

  • July 25, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    One problem with United 93 that nobody seems to discuss

    by reise reise

    The German passenger, Christian Adams, is portrayed in a cowardly manner, someone who nearly sabotages the others' plan. There is no evidence to support this portrayal and supposedly the man's widow was the only person who didn't support the making of the film. This strikes me as a very questionable, disrespectful decision by Greengrass in what is otherwise a good movie. Imagine how this particular passenger's family must feel if they saw United 93 and its depiction of him. As for the Bourne movies, I've always thought they were instantly forgettable action movies with by-the-numbers plotting and decent action.

  • July 25, 2007, 3:49 p.m. CST

    The real questions.

    by Bluejack

    Joan Allen is a hot cougar and Julia Stiles is a semi hotty. Do we get some Bourne on spy chick action or what?

  • July 25, 2007, 4:21 p.m. CST

    LOL you people are so stupid it's scary

    by andrew coleman

    It's very clear that conspiracy loonies need to get laid. That's it actually they have to get laid. Because they are uptight and very stupid. Transformers was a bigger propaganda film than United 93(Second best movie last year next to The Lives of Others). What I don't get about 9/11 conspiracy guys is they act like everyone loves the government and they are rebels. News flash almost everyone hates the Bush Administration and is looking forward to 08 when he moves out. How can the guys who led THE WORST military operation ever known to man called Operation Iraqi Freedom also somehow mastermind the most perfect set up attack of all time? It doesn't make sense. You also have no evidence proving the government took the planes down NO EVIDENCE at all just speculation. It's like me believing you're mom had sex with a donkey and you were born. Do I have any evidence? Nope. But it probably happened... Anyway Bourne 3 will be good I'm just sad there will be no Carlos the Jackal or anything from the book. Still hopefully this will save the summer. Because I know Rush Hour 3 won't.

  • July 25, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    spectrebeeyatch

    by tk 421

    Great point. The same people who brought us the Iraqi War, Katrina, Harriet Myers, Abu Ghraib and other selected colossal fuck ups also managed to cover up this huge conspiracy from 9-11? You're right, that's laughable.

  • July 25, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST

    United 93

    by FreeKill

    PhoenixMagi take a look at any other airline crash in history. Go to anyone you like. You can even take the Brazilian flight that happened the other day. In all those hundreds of crashes, there is always wreckage and there are always bodies. United 93 and the Pentagon crash were the two flights in history to leave no wreckage and leave no bodies...

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Am I

    by Jason B. Swaim

    Insane? It is November 1, right?

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 8:33 a.m. CST

    First!

    by ldm882

    Wait a minute...something's fishy here...

  • Nov. 1, 2007, 9:21 a.m. CST

    problems abound in AICN land....

    by just pillow talk

    I can't use the search function or open up certain older posts.<p>Oh, and FreeKill is crazy.