July 20, 2007, 2:49 a.m. CST
July 20, 2007, 2:50 a.m. CST
July 20, 2007, 2:51 a.m. CST
LAF which means LAME AS FUCK! As all first posters, ans second, and third posters are.
July 20, 2007, 2:52 a.m. CST
After X3, this movie is going to have its work cut out before release to get me into a Cinema to see it.
July 20, 2007, 2:54 a.m. CST
by Dutch Angle
...Not unhappy Yet.
July 20, 2007, 2:54 a.m. CST
or something the studios cooked up?
July 20, 2007, 2:54 a.m. CST
by Syd Mead
Will it explain how Wolverine got his green card? Or did he border jump?
July 20, 2007, 3:06 a.m. CST
PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF ANNA PAQUIN'S CURVES, GO BACK TO WOLVIE'S LOOK PRE-MANSION IN X1!!!<br><br> WHEN YA TRIMMED AND GREASED THAT SHIT UP, IT LOOKED RIDICULOUS!!! <br><br>And btw, fuck rothman.
July 20, 2007, 3:06 a.m. CST
I think this will turn out to be pretty interesting. At least we won't know what to expect from a South African directing something big like Wolverine
July 20, 2007, 3:11 a.m. CST
Sweet. Bought Escape From New York there the other day. Wasn't as good as I remembered. Don't mess with the DUKE!
July 20, 2007, 3:21 a.m. CST
And I blame Bryan Singer for jumping ship to Superham!! A Wolverine movie should be written by people who want to do it justice, and if Jackman has any clout/love of the character, he'll ask for script approval.
July 20, 2007, 3:24 a.m. CST
by Alonzo Mosely
Like 70% of all superhero movies are. There won't be any Japan or WWII or the Origin story where it started hundreds of years ago, it will be him being tortured and turned into weapon X, sent on missions to do bad stuff (but never doing anything bad because you can't have a hero killing in a superhero movie) then he will break his programming because of a woman and fight the evil guys who made him do it and escape... The End...
July 20, 2007, 3:25 a.m. CST
WE FUCKING DESERVE IT!
July 20, 2007, 3:35 a.m. CST
...gave the first act of the script an extremely positive review.
July 20, 2007, 3:36 a.m. CST
The ONLY way this will be good is if they make it like BLADE... a film for ADULTS, not children. When Wolverine cuts someone, show blood. <p>And yes, do it like Ratner did in X-3... have him take on a slew of guys and just butcher the HECK out of them before he gets taken down HARD.<p>And for heaven's sake, DO NOT make it into a pity-party talkathon, like Bryan Singer's films!!! That's PURE CRAP and the kiss of death for a superhero movie!<p>Give us realistic action/violence, a decent story, NO kids or cute animals and cool villians and you have a MUCH better chance at making money and getting a lot of people to see this film.<p>Think Die Hard with claws.
July 20, 2007, 3:36 a.m. CST
by The Dum Guy
could go either way
July 20, 2007, 3:37 a.m. CST
by The Dum Guy
that'll sell tickets.
July 20, 2007, 3:40 a.m. CST
Just have him kicking butt from start to finish. I'm not paying $8 to watch Wolverine mope around and whine.
July 20, 2007, 3:50 a.m. CST
it's wild the newbie choices hollywood makes to launch or maintain franchises. sometimes it works (harry potter 5 comes to mind) most of the time it doesn't (insert ANYONE here) (jesus Fantasic Four. i mean Barbershop was mildly amusing but COME ON). hell, sometimes you're michael bay and you never had any talent in the first place (okay, you got me. I geniunely enjoyed The Rock.) Basically if you have talent in any capacity (read: you actually finished a film) you can have a hollywood career. so all you aspirers that KNOW you can make better films than 1/2 of the fools doing it right now, write a screenplay!! it doesn't have to be the best, it justs has to be finished*. shoot it for ten grand. you'll make your next one for five times that. and so on. need more info on how? hit me up here. *finishing a project, ANY project (ANY!!!!) is the only thing that matters in the creative process. good and bad are relative, because if its not finished, its neither. its so four in the morning.
July 20, 2007, 4:01 a.m. CST
by The Founder
This Hood guy did a good job directing Tsotsi. I think either him or the film won an Oscar for the film. it was good. Now I think he could handle Wolverine good, heck maybe even the Xmen, but as long as Fox is at the helm and you got a director new director or one with not much clout it's a bad sign that the director will be there just to shoot the film that FOX will dictate and want, and said director will have little input.
July 20, 2007, 4:04 a.m. CST
Escape From New York is a great movie.
July 20, 2007, 4:07 a.m. CST
Great Directing choice,heads and toes above The Rat,but Fox will mess this up,make it 1hr 20 mins and the directors vision wont be wha it should be.
July 20, 2007, 4:25 a.m. CST
and Gavin Hood has a new one, RENDITION, coming out in the Autumn/Fall. Don't know much about it other than what's on IMDB, but it looks like a small-scale CIA thriller with some interesting casting (Jake Gyllenhall, Alan Arkin, Meryl Streep, Peter Sarsgaad, JK Simmons, Bob Gunton). Oh, and Reese Witherspoon. Hmmm. Oh well. IMDB synopsis (allegedy written by Gavin Hood): "When an Egyptian terrorism suspect "disappears" on a flight from Africa to Washington DC, his American wife and a CIA analyst find themselves caught up in a struggle to secure his release from a secret detention facility somewhere outside the US."
July 20, 2007, 4:26 a.m. CST
by drew mcweeny
... huge, huge fan of TSOTSI. It was actually my pick for my favorite film of 2005. He's a crazy left-field choice for this, but at this point, I just want Marvel to hire real filmmakers and let them take some chances.
July 20, 2007, 4:27 a.m. CST
Pulling all their movies out? WTF?
July 20, 2007, 4:32 a.m. CST
Bronwen Hughes (STANDER), for starters. Antonia Bird (RAVENOUS, FACE). John Fawcett (GINGER SNAPS). Any others?
July 20, 2007, 4:40 a.m. CST
Studio interference is inevitable at this point which means that a great movie will not only be wasted, but a great director as well. Not to mention that if the script review that popped up on Latino Review is any indication, they are going for a super condensed version of the Weapon X story which is his least interesting orgin.
July 20, 2007, 4:46 a.m. CST
A fellow South African at the helm!!! Pretty weird choice but it could have been Uwe... Great stuff Gavin now please just don't do a 'Charlize Theron' and lose your accent...
July 20, 2007, 4:49 a.m. CST
FUCKING AWESOME MOVIE!!!! The whole weapon x story line has been played out 10,000 times in the books and really no one cares. They have played with it in the movies and it is just enough to lay the ground work for a kick ass flick. So a whole movie about how Wolvie got this claws is just a waste. Give him a mission, maybe by the Canadian goverenment to save an lover interest in Japan and have him slice up 1500 ninjas from The Hand. Give him the honor sword, give him Mariko(or whatever her name was)....let him be Patch.
July 20, 2007, 4:54 a.m. CST
by mr. brownstone
at this point an origin movie would be lame. Cinematically part of Wolvie's charm is his mysterious quality. We know all we need to know about his past from X1-3. He is what he is. Unleash him in a NEW story.
July 20, 2007, 5:10 a.m. CST
The FF movies make money. X3 made money. The suits don't care about the whining of a few fanboys/girls because John and Jenny Q Public will a) watch the movies anyway, and maybe even enjoy them, and b) the geek communities will end up watching them anyway, even if it's for something to grumble about. Whining about Fox producing poor entertainment is like wandering into McDonalds and complaining they can't cook a steak rare. Welcome to capitalism, my friend. Enjoy the good stuff when it comes along. And if it looks like shit, smells like shit, and has been excreted by people with a reputation for turd-manufacture, try not to a) act surprised and b) try not to buy it anyway...
July 20, 2007, 5:11 a.m. CST
Go Gavin Hood! He is one of the few South African-born directors who has now officially "made it" in Hollywood. Having said all that, I hope he has the chops to shoot a film like WOLVERINE - it's one thing making a low budget film in South Africa, but making a massive comic book film is a whole 'nother monster. I guess we'll have to wait for RENDITION to see what he can do with a large budget.
July 20, 2007, 5:13 a.m. CST
by zabu 123
They should just adabt Wolverine's first limited series by Frank Miller. I think that would meet everybodys criteria.
July 20, 2007, 5:16 a.m. CST
I understand that Tim Story and FF blows huge chunks (although ROTSS was a little less crappy), but where are you drawing any connection between Story and Hood? I don't understand your argument. Second, really ALL Fox comic movies suck?? X2 was a FAR superior film to Spider-Man 3... do you disagree?
July 20, 2007, 5:24 a.m. CST
by El Borak
hmmm. should be good if they don't screw the pooch.
July 20, 2007, 5:26 a.m. CST
What's up with pulling out of Comic-Con though? Anyway, as long as we get something from Avatar at the '08 Con I'll be happy.
July 20, 2007, 6:20 a.m. CST
The man can do action/suspense in his sleep. Plus, he would throw in some good gore as well.Neil Marshall for Wolverine!!
July 20, 2007, 6:34 a.m. CST
FUCK YOU! STARSCREAM!
July 20, 2007, 6:52 a.m. CST
nuff said. nothing to see here, move along.
July 20, 2007, 6:56 a.m. CST
" I just want Marvel to hire real filmmakers and let them take some chances." It's called HULK. Get it?
July 20, 2007, 7:08 a.m. CST
...read the funny books?<br><br> "how Wolvie got this claws is just a waste" ??? <br>br> He was BORN with those claws! <b><br> Your comic book geek membership card has been revoked.
July 20, 2007, 7:10 a.m. CST
July 20, 2007, 7:11 a.m. CST
by Nice Marmot
. . . if it's in present-day Madripoor w/ flashbacks to Canada, Japan, and little quick flashes to WWII and Xavier's school? Seems possible to me but I wouldn't bet on it. Who knows, maybe they might actually ,at least, make him a believable hard ass and include the berserker rage. Wouldn't bet on that either.
July 20, 2007, 7:11 a.m. CST
that is all that has to be said. FOOK YOU FOX.
July 20, 2007, 7:12 a.m. CST
by Spandau Belly
He does really wacky varied stuff and he writes good stories about killers. I think last year he made a movie about troll dolls and he wrote Bandidas, so I don't see how he can feel superior to superhero movies. I'd like to see him do a comic book superhero movie.<br><br>BTW going to see Angel-A on Tuesday. Can't wait.
July 20, 2007, 7:23 a.m. CST
Anyone remember the shit films Marvel Studios put out when they were too proud to partner with a real movie studio? At least X3 had a slick professional look, which is more than can be said of Marvel properties when they were too proud to allow outside collaboration.
July 20, 2007, 7:28 a.m. CST
to do a Wolverine film correctly, wouldn't it really need to include Vic Creed, Yuriko, Cap America and the WildCATs team?
July 20, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST
by Anna Valerious
Look, as glad as I am that Jimmy Marsden isn't in X-Men anymore, I still think someone should go back to his OTHER franchise. The one a certain studio doesn't think has a fanbase and the "anime-inspired period epic" Sylvan White doesn't know they made...
July 20, 2007, 7:39 a.m. CST
Yea, that qualifies him...a minor arthouse hit...a good film though, but what is really happening here is a studio sees a guy eager to work in the US and who will make the film the suits want..freakin shame...with all the FRank Miller shit becoming movies,...why not use the Miller/Claremont series as a script...oh, that would be good
July 20, 2007, 7:41 a.m. CST
...and so did Charlies Angels...b/c they were made by a freakin' commecial director who made the leap less gracefully than M.Bay....
July 20, 2007, 7:59 a.m. CST
Tell your rehash of Barry Windsor-Smith's WEAPON X if you want, but lead the second half into the Chris Claremont/Frank Miller WOLVERINE mini-series with Yukio and Mariko Yoshida. Traumatized Wolvie in a helmet stumbling around in the show + Wolvie in Japan carving up ninjas = Box Office Gold.
July 20, 2007, 8:08 a.m. CST
by Mosquito March
It seems to me like we found out everything we needed to know about Wolverine's involvement in the Weapon X program in X2. I'd be surprised if anyone really wanted to go back to that well as it's already been done.
July 20, 2007, 8:11 a.m. CST
by Mosquito March
What are you talking about?
July 20, 2007, 8:12 a.m. CST
by Samuel Fulmer
Now that would be an interesting choice.
July 20, 2007, 8:15 a.m. CST
Wolverines already had 3 movies. ZERO interest in this one.
July 20, 2007, 8:18 a.m. CST
by Anna Valerious
It's pretty obvious by my username...
July 20, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST
...SOMEwhere in this movie. Like having a test mission in Moscow to fight against an experiment Omega Red. I know they put an "omega red" in X3 but that was so lousy, they could easily write over it. It's not like anyone would notice. I wanna see the long tendrils ripping out of the snow and breaking through buildings. I don't really want to see Sabertooth as the main villian. However, if they DO have him in there they had best use Tyler Mane, he did a pretty decent job regardless of having practically no lines in the movie.
July 20, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST
by Mosquito March
No offense, but maybe it would be more obvious to someone who cared to remember anything about that movie. I had to go look it up.
July 20, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST
I dig the unconventional choice as long as it errs on the side of artistic ambition. ie. Chris Nolan was a good risk and Tim Story was a bad risk (he did a movie with no artistic value whatsoever). At least this way, there's a chance for a great movie. As for the Magneto movie... I'm a huge X-Men comics fan and I don't even want to see that movie. Fox should learn from Hannibal Rising as an example of a similar project that bombed. The Magneto character doesn't even merit a solo comic book, what makes them think a movie would work?
July 20, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST
Wolvie was reveieled to have his claws for a long time prior to Weapon x, when Magneto sucked it out of him and he spent 3 years with that"bones for claws" story, I can't remember how he got it back...I was deployed during that time. and his past was explained in Wolvierine:origins. My membership card is still in my wallet, bro.
July 20, 2007, 9:06 a.m. CST
I'm pretty sure the reviewer (not sure if it was el Mayimbe) liked it very much. I think there's a lot of hope on this project.
July 20, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST
Cuz Ang Lee sucks as a director. I hate all his movies. The Hulk was one of the better ones. Brokeback Mountain was Brokeback Boring. And he let Heath Ledger talk like that, on purpose, throughout the entire movie. It was all just so stupid. And the Ice Storm was so tedious. And stupid, in so many ways. <br><br>If Wolverine has long, sharp adamantium claws with which he stabs people and destroys things, and he looks bad ass while he's doing it, and does some beserker shit . . . I'm there. And I will cheer. And I guarantee you, Gavin Hood will not make Wolverine bright green. And I certainly hope he won't split up the screen like comic book panels. So he can say, "See? It's ironically comic-bookical! It's deep and Oedipal while at the same time paying homage to the comic format! I'm Ang Lee, bitch! Suck on my big artistic schwang!"
July 20, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST
If it's Ian McKellen, I'm there. If they do the Hannibal Rising thing and de-age Ian, I'm still there. If they do it with another actor, not so much.
July 20, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST
Gavin Hood's a good choice to direct, in my opinion. He gets great performances out of his actors (which is most important to me), his creativity in shooting is very strong, and he doesn't bullshit. "Tsotsi" was a surprisingly intense, morally ambiguous movie. Hood took lots of chances with it, and they paid off.<p> Will Fox will let Gavin take some chances on "Wolverine"? I don't know. They'll keep him under wraps for the most part, in all likelihood, but I hope waves of his artistry splash onto the screen anyway.<p> I'm suddenly looking forward to this film.
July 20, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST
by Bass Bastardson
And it should have remained that way. He was a much more interesting character before they decided to explain everything about him.
July 20, 2007, 9:22 a.m. CST
by Neo Zeed
Instead of the clean look of the X-men films. I could say, "They should hire an action director." But they don't really exist anymore (The 80s/90s are over). All you really have is Len Wiseman, Ratner, and Paul WS. I mean, isn't that shitty director of Constantine making a summer blocbuster? Although, I'd like to see the director of Hostage try his hand at a comic book movie though. I think he had a good visual eye.
July 20, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST
their films again. The director seems to make or break this films, which is hardly shocking and it's about time the studios figure this out. Unfortunately the quality of the film does not equal better box office returns. I enjoyed Tsotsi and think it's a daring choice.
July 20, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST
by Nice Marmot
What the hell is Chris Claremont doing? I haven't read an X-Book since we found out Wolverine's claws were organic/bone, someone mentioned it earlier. I haven't had the time or money for comics. Does anyone know what Claremont is doing or has done since he left the X-World? Now that I think of it, I'd like to go back and pick up the story where I left off. Or would that be a mistake? Any good? Anyone?
July 20, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST
in thinking that Hugh Jackman, while a fine actor, was not a very good wolverine? Physically, he was miscast, and though he got some of the character nuances right, by and large (to me, anyway) I felt like he was doing a "wolverine impression" rather than actually inhabiting the character. It just seems like he was doing a kinder, gentler wolverine. I guess I have a fondness for the really grimy, mean, brutal sonuvabitch from the comics... But don't get me wrong, I'm not hatin...I thought XMen 1 and 2 (especially 2) were really good, and HJ is, as I said before, a fine actor, I just think they could have gone with someone a little less tall, handsome and dignified, and chosen someone a little more fitting to character, both physically and in performance... Just my .002
July 20, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST
by Neo Zeed
Anyone who thinks differently, doesn't know much about Hollywood.
July 20, 2007, 9:30 a.m. CST
by Boondock Devil
Loved TSOTSI. Plus anytime that Ratner doesn't get to direct or have anything to do with the X-Franchise a mutant angel gets it's wings... and third eye.
July 20, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST
Let's hope so. If there's one thing the last X movie showed us, it's that it's ok for tough guys to turn on the waterworks every now and then.<p>Also, Omega Red is one of those dumb '90s villains with armor and a giant pony tail who's always shouting, right? Let's keep him out of the film.
July 20, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST
Van Helsing was the weakest fucking movie ever. It makes Ishtar look like Young Frankenstein.
July 20, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST
by Anna Valerious
There IS a rabid "Van Helsing" fanbase out there. And if the executives at Universal would stop this ridiculous idea of making every one of their franchises straight-to-DVD crap, then they'd realize it. I have a petition going which is gaining momentum. As well as a certain Dutch monster hunter showing up on an episode of "The Fairly Oddparents". I'm sorry, but we do remember the film and we fans aren't going to stand for Universal concentrating on "Castlevania" while there's already an anime-influenced period piece they need to work on more. Valerious, out.
July 20, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST
In a perfect world, it would have been nice to have Bryan Singer on board with X3. Superman Returns was okay, but not as good as it should have been. Little more action, and the Lois Lane from Smallville would have slightly improved the film. As for Marsden, he's not getting Oscars for his role as Cyclops, but I thought he was okay. Felt he got shafted screentime-wise in X2, and I suspect he was on the set of Supes during the shooting of X3. DOn't know that for a fact. Cyclops shouldn't have been killed of in X3. He and Phoenix should have had their Uncanny 129-137 moments(minus being on the moon, the Inhumans(?), etc), and Wolvie should have maybe been off the side dealing with her death as Cyke's blast killed her. Rouge shouldn't have given up her powers, and there should have been far fewer mutants. Angel, Bobby, and most of the main cast were fine. Kelsey Grammar delivered the goods. That's just me. I'm a nitpicky comic book guy, just not as nitpicky as most of that crowd. In the end, X3 did disappoint on many fronts. As for Wolvie movie...would be cool, if they don't blow it. And, I totally agree that Marvel needs to raise the bar on these movies. I have found a degree of enjoyment in movies that many officionados didn't enjoy...Hulk, Daredevil, FF's 1 and 2(although, they totally blew it with Doom). The aforementioned are not masterpieces, but okay for popcorn. That's just me.
July 20, 2007, 9:46 a.m. CST
Don't you think it would be way more awesome to just have a good plot revolving around Wolvie vs. Bad Guys for a whole film? Then, in the sequel, explain his mysterious origins or something. Fuck, I'm so tired of being treated like an idiot by every comic book film. Every film, really. Maybe I'm just an idiot.
July 20, 2007, 9:51 a.m. CST
X3 was pretty much a point of no return in how much they screwed with the characters. If I had my total nerdy x-universe dream they would have let Singer do a proper X3 and X4 for an actual Phoenix story, turned the New X-Men/ New Mutants idea into a smallvillesque spinoff tv series, while letting character films and X films continue.
July 20, 2007, 9:51 a.m. CST
by Nice Marmot
The top 3 OH-SO overrated, new-school, ultra hip, dangerous characters introduced in the 90s with the added bonus of having past ties w/ Wolverine are . . . 1) Gambit 2) Deadpool 3) Omega Red Don't have time to think of the rest. Maybe someone else can add on to it. And fuck you, in advance, to any Gambit lovers that have a problem with this.
July 20, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST
Don't know why I have to keep saying it.
July 20, 2007, 9:57 a.m. CST
I reckon I would probably knock Deadpool off that list since hes pretty much just a comic parody character now; but in his place you really need to put Cable up there.
July 20, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST
by Larry Jay
I've said it and I will KEEP saying it. Frank Miller to write and ROBERT RODRIQUEZ to direct. R-Rated 2 hours. DAMMIT. Getting these arty-fartsy eurotrash directors is a sure way to end up with another (ugh, shudder) CATWOMAN.
July 20, 2007, 10:03 a.m. CST
by Larry Jay
Damn Tom ROTHMAN TO HELL. The Hell where people are SKINNED alive, its that simple. DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!
July 20, 2007, 10:10 a.m. CST
you can inject some life into the franchise after X3. That was a complete abomination and they only have the studio to blame. Sure, it made lots of money but the drop off was insane. Let's hope cash will speak to these morons because apparently quality of product means nothing.
July 20, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST
The charachter is already established. Just get on with a good story arc. <br> In the comics, the fact his origin was left to imaginiation/speculation created an atmosphere other characters could not atain.<br><br>BTW I want a dance number in Wolverine.
July 20, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST
btw he's not "Euro" you retards. Gavin Hood will be your new favorite director soon enough. Might as well start with this.
July 20, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST
I don't think it was fantastic. But it was a perfectly fun movie, lots of good stuff. More actual demonstration of powers than in the first two movies put together. Not great, Pheonix story line was mishandled, but Bret Ratner probably did as good a job as he could, given the limitations he was working under. I say a solid B- for X-Men 3.
July 20, 2007, 10:22 a.m. CST
Don't call Gavin Hood an "artsy-fartsy Eurotrash director," HailDaHypnoToad. Your opinion is juvenile as well as misinformed. Hood is South African, not European (how would you like to be called British when you're an American?), and he sure ain't artsy-fartsy. "Tsotsi" and the upcoming "Rendition" both contain some intensely filmed violence, so just because Rodriguez won't direct doesn't mean "Wolverine" will suck.<p> After the boring silliness that was "Grindhouse" (this is the reason the film bombed, not bad marketing), I'm glad someone other than a Hollywood insider is taking the reigns of "Wolverine."<p> I'm pretty sure you'll like Hood's style.
July 20, 2007, 10:22 a.m. CST
X3 was (and I really hated that movie). I think it was the studio exercising control to limit costs to the point where a director couldn't really do anything about it. Don't get me wrong, Ratner is a bad to mediocre director, but I don't think there was much he could have done to save the film. If he had the balls to stand up to the studio then he wouldn't have been hired in the first place.
July 20, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST
It will be very hard to make a good Wolverine movie, especially if the crew and script are interchangable to the studio.
July 20, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST
If they treat this the opposite way as they did X3 it could work. Gotta be grittier and rated R, which prolly wont happen since they made Wolverine into a big ****y in X3..
July 20, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST
Seriously,instead of trying to give these big franchise movies over to the pg-13 kiddie lunch box crowd,make them for the crowd that has been supporting the material for the past twenty years. We need Wolverine on an epic scale, no crazy hair and crying over old girlfriends. Wolverine's movie should start out with him as a traveling Samurai/Assasin warrior,kind of like the Bride in Kill Bill. You could honestly go in ten thousand different angles and not fail as long as you keep the core elements and no corny X3 shit.
July 20, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST
Its basically an 11 issue varriation upon the theme of "Wolverine kills the fuck out of somebody". No bogging down in origins, very newbie friendly, just absolulte insanity. Do it! Nobody wants to see James Howlett: The Movie. We want blood!
July 20, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST
This guy will go nuts dealing with Fox and split
July 20, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST
I'm no fan of Brett, but he did the best he could as a hired gun. That was doomed before he set foot behind a camera.
July 20, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST
i have new hope
July 20, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST
It will be almost as good as Alien vs Predator, so we know we are in good hands...
July 20, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST
Bad looking Hulk, yeah sure you idiots.
July 20, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST
Fox might make a buck or two but Hood WILL be the fall guy when this thing crashes. Other promising foreign directors who made shit in the states: Lee Tamahori (Die Another Day), Jeunet (Alien 4), Ang Lee (Hulk), Neil Jordan, et al
July 20, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST
Brought to you by the same flawed logic that greenlit HANNIBAL RISING.
July 20, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST
by Motoko Kusanagi
Liked it more than X2.
July 20, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST
All the way around this sucks. I would rather Gavin Hood do anything than sell out for mainstream Hollywood success. He could be out there making brilliant and important films like Tsotsi, but instead he's going to be making some crap comic book spin off with a terrible script. Also Jackman got progressively worse as Wolverine as that series went on. I;m convinced at this point he just doesn't have hte kind of edge one needs to pull off that character correctly. He lacks a certain primal touch that is a major part of Wolverines character. Ugh.
July 20, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST
"Studio Suits will ruin this movie."
July 20, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST
you also forgot Jean-Pierre Jeunet (ALIEN 4)
July 20, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST
nevermind, guess you didn't forget him
July 20, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST
Fox Yanks Films from Comic-Con<p>Twentieth Century Fox on Wednesday suddenly pulled several highly touted films from next week's Comic-Con in San Diego, saying that "the material wasn't ready." The films included director Doug Liman's Jumper, starring Hayden Christensen; the sequel Aliens vs. Predator, directed by Colin and Greg Strause; Babylon A.D., starring Vin Diesel; and Hitman, starring Timothy Olyphant. The studio's action miffed organizers of the high-profile convention. David Glanzer, a spokesman for Comic-Con, told the Los Angeles Times: "Every major studio usually has a presence at Comic-Con so for Fox to pull out a week before is very unusual." One blogger observed on the Times' website: "Something smells a little fishy. I could see one film not being ready, but all?"
July 20, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST
That stuff is so boring, the character is cool because he's mysterious. <p> Ideally, I'd just adapt the Madripoor storyline with a heavy Hong Kong underworld infulence <p> or <p> Frank Miller/Buscema Wolverine done as Wuxia fiction, very spare almost poetic, splashes of color like Sin City. <p> Either way they would really benefit from having a director that understands the Japanese/Eastern influences on the character and its cinema styles.
July 20, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST
Jackman is loaded with charisma and although I'm not a huge fan of the narrative in The Fountain, that is the kind of game I'd like him to bring to a solo Wolverine movie!
July 20, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST
-------X2 is the best of the trilogy. There's nothing wrong with it unless you feel that it begins to overstay it's welcome during the Alkali lake chapter of the movie. It's as perfect as a comic book movie can be. -------X3 is a more confident, enjoyable movie than X1. X3 challenges the characters, takes them in a different direction, something that your moronic haters can't wrap your mind around. It's a step backwards from X2, but the movie passes with flying colors considering how Singers departure left the franchise in shambles and then it became the lightning rod for seeking and receiving revenge against WB and Bryan Singer himself. But back to X3. It's the 3rd movie in the trilogy where each character has been through a lot. Based on where the story was going they had to make decisions based on their current predicament. Some of you are so knee deep in your own shit that you want everything to your liking. The characters should act the way I think they should, they take the path I want them to. Fuck the story I've been presented with. I'm the customer, consumer, whatever, so do it my way or Fuck off. I feel sad for those of you that live by and will die by that line of thinking. Would it have been nice if Singer finished what he started? Of fucking course. He had free reign on X2. His writers were working for him, he was able to work in everything that he wanted. For whatever reason you've heard, or you personal Jesus' here on AICN tell you, Singer left to do a Supes movie. There at Warner Bros. he found himself in the same situation as X2. Free reign, his writers, his plan, his movie. Sadly, he made a shitty Supes movie. Instead of reinventing the wheel, well not really, but trying something different, Singer and his crew made a gushfest of a movie for Dick Donner what turned out to be an allegory for surrogate fathers. He made a mistake in doing this. He'll have to live with that, Warner Bros. currently has to figure out cleaning up that shit stain, and that apologists for Supes Return will continue touring the internet in defense of that movie. -------X1 is for me the symmetrical equal to X3, which for all and intents and purposes succeeded in spite of Singers off camera issues, fans (this site included) dogging the film from the very beggings and the studios lack of understand or doubt about is been a success or profitable. I have trouble finding as much enjoyment in X1 as a used to before X2 came out in 2003 because of the contrast in quality. X2 outclasses X1 in every manner possible. The driving force behind the story, the script, the acting, the direction, the scope all better in X2. ---If I had to summarize and rank each movie, here's how I would do it. X2 - Col. Stryker vs. Mutants X3 - Logan and Jean' story X1 - Logan and Marie's (Rogue) story
July 20, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST
This probably won't work, but Magneto is an interesting character. Claremont wrote some stories that were penciled by John Bolton and included in the reprints of "Classic X-Men" (now reprinted as X-Men Vignettes). His Magneto story "A Fire in the Night" had a major impact on me as a kid. <p> http://glogan.free.fr/classicxmen/12.jpg
July 20, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST
It finishes Logan's journey, which is what all of the X-Men movies are really about. The rest of it are subplots and you care about the characters, but the films are essentially about Logan. <p> I thought X-3 was about a broken man becoming whole again and finding his place. Unfortunately that is really not what most people want for Wolverine. If that is the case, then this prequel is probably for you. <p> Another thing I liked about X-3 is that was brave enough to do what the comic books can't - kill off Jean and Scott. Their story has impact for its tragedy - the characters continue to wander through the comic books like hollow men. <p> I felt like all of the characterizations in X-3 were completely true. Prof. X willingly sacrifices himself as the sole object of Jean's fury to save others. Magento's hatred pays him back. Mystique betrays Magneto after he breaks her spirit. Scott cannot function without Jean - a broken man. Jean is dead and what comes back is not Jean. Logan learns that he really loves Jean and not just lusts after her. Rogue chooses to be normal rather than live with her powers which distance her from everyone emotionally.
July 20, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST
We need a loinclothed hero. Fuck this over-played mutant shit.
July 20, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST
He should have shred Stryker to gory bite-size pieces instead of chaining him to a wall. That was so stupid. And how come Jean couldn't save the Blackbird from INSIDE the plane but had to do it outside? How come she didn't put a forcefield around herself? The X movies were all stupid.
July 20, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST
Good show bringing up that old, iconic John Bolton "Magneto" short story from 1988! Fox'll likely water it down badly & go in another direction. Really, who's going to see this flick?
July 20, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST
direction are they going to have Magneto go in? I like McKellan's performance, but he's campy.
July 20, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST
Wolvie can't do Oprah if he hacks Stryker to bits.
July 20, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST
She's smarter and more talented than you or anyone you know.
July 20, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST
saw the future and knew she was going to die saving them. So instead of trying to alter it she accepts it and goes to her fate. This is hinted at early on when they're in the museum as her powers begin to get out of control and also when she sees the dam breaking in advance of it happening after her fight with Scott. She keeps saying that something bad is going to happen. Her powers are precognitive in addition to being a telepath and telekinetic.
July 20, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST
for awhile, but Hugh Jackman as Wolverine ain't a bad thing. <p> Halle Berry as Storm is, of course, still totally unforgiveable.
July 20, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST
The X-Franchise is at it's most important crossroads. X1 was a good movie, but didn't flow well and had some terrible music. X2 was three steps away from a perfect X-movie, and X3 was good but had some missed oppurtunities. The Wolverine movie had better be darker than Neo's underpants, have more flowing blood than Carrie and look more like Taxi Driver than Minnie Driver. Wolverine is a deeply complex character that needs setting up before explaining who he is and where he came from. The tagline had better be "He's the best at what he does... and what he does isn't very nice" and be more about Logan hacking his way through gangs of thugs/ninjas/ne'erdowells than going toe to toe with other mutants. I'd like to see some WWI, some brawling in Canada and learning to find his inner chi in Madripoor, otherwise it'll be some hi-tech over blown Bayfest. And of course, an R-rating is a must. Magneto will hopefully be set during WWII and be about him trying to save a bumch of Jew refugees from the Nazis, ultimately failing then going all homo superior on their asses. X4, however, will be a different story. If we're carrying on with the Xavier Institute, the only characters required from previous films are Storm, Beast, Iceman and Rogue. Bring in a newbie in the form of Jubilee or Cannonball. Add Gambit as your Wolverine-alike outsider and you've got yrself a film. The big bad is Nathaniel Essex, later revealed to be Sinister, who has employed Gambit to infiltrate the X-Men and obtain genetic material. His primary targets are the remains of Jean Grey and Scott Summers, with whom Sinister plans to create the ultimate mutant (X-Man), but Gambit falls for Rogue and there's yr conflict. Of course, by the end we realise Sinister has also cloned Xavier, who is reunited with his mind... and can now walk. Ergo all the big actors from the previous films are out of the picture (except Stewart till the end). Halle Berry gets a bigger role and leads the team, rather than just pretends to. There! I just wrote X4. Give me a job FOX.
July 20, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST
the new trend of giving huge movies to inexperienced directors (or "out-of-left-field" ones in PC jargon) is so annoying. And after that everyone looks surprised and says "ooooohh the studio pressured him, it's soooo sad" while these players all knew it would turn out this way, especially when catastrophic scripts are involved. <p> You can't make a good ACTION MOVIE only with a cute casting; that's why Hulk-Catwoman-X men1-INSERT ANOTHER ONE OF THESE COUNTLESS SHIT MOVIES HER failed miserably... <p> I have seen TSOTSI. It's good. Not exceptional, but good. Wolvie could turn out decent, but I doubt it. And even if I liked Tsotsi, the whole movie SCREAMED "look at my fancy direction choices, I deserve my big break" and to be perfectly honest it was somehow detrimental to the movie. So we can't overlook the fact that MAYBE the guy is just another indie wonder not because of his talent, but because he's trying too fucking hard to sell his name on bigger projects, H'wood or not (Bryan Singer, anyone?).
July 20, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST
Damn You Michael Bay!
July 20, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST
Gina Torres with a mohawk. Her hubby can be Apoc. Bring in Mr. Sinister and the Marauders. This brings the theme full circle with mutants turning on their own.
July 20, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST
Makes me sad. He has RENDITION coming, which could be quality. TSOTSI is a brilliant film, one of the more audacious artistic breakthroughs since MEAN STREETS. This would be like John Dalh doing PUNISHER 2. Give this to someone like DJ Caruso. Very sad. By the way, for those of you who seem to hate Singer's X-MEN, two of the best comic book movies ever, why are you here?
July 20, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST
Who better than Hugh? Think about it. And Alwaysthere... yer right. X2 is the best comic adaptation ever. That movie is letter perfect and as good as SR was bad. Singer was brilliant juggling all the relationships, personalities, and powers. Shake it off, Bry.... I suppose this director is okay, as long as he doesn't feel compelled to expound on some 'message'.
July 20, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST
She can be a Sinister clone. You find out that Stryker collected X-Men DNA from inflitrating the mansion in X2.
July 20, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST
never heard of "to each his own"??? <p> Movies are like the last place on earth where relativism applies. Trying to deny it on a TB is like crashing a party by pissing on the keg: rude.
July 20, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST
instead of having his hair point straight up, or sideways, they should have it lean slightly backwards. That would be cool.
July 20, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST
as X1. Anything with Deathstrike was boring - a non-character. They should've had Mystique take out DS, now that would've been interesting. Stryker could've had a lot of mutants under his control and unleashed them on the X-Men (sort of his version of the anti-X-Men) and shown the team dynamics instead of splitting everyone off. Halle Berry continued to be totally useless and even more unexotic than her turn in X1. The Rogue/Bobby subplot - not needed.
July 20, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST
by having Sinister reactivate their X-genes and have Magneto turn on Sinister and have him end up becoming a teacher at Xavier's school.
July 20, 2007, 5:28 p.m. CST
Everytime I pass FOX Studios in Century City I yell that out the window to no avail and maybe a few cunfused, 'WTF?' looks by passerbys. Fortunately, by setting the example I think more people will yell this out their windows around the time this film is released.
July 20, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST
orientated just is not going to happen when the studios can hire people to write their own version of a story without much grounding (or any) in that area. (Sin City is excused and always is from my comic to film hatred)
July 20, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST
Wasn't he announced to direct this movie last month? http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5901
July 20, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST
I think Magneto has much more potential than Wolverine if its handled in the right way - i'd like them to show a parallel of Magneto gaining his powers back and the origin story as that way you can still have Ian McKellen in it was is by far the best element of the X-men film franchise.
July 20, 2007, 7:19 p.m. CST
Russell Crowe would have kicked ass as Logan, though. You know I'm right.
July 20, 2007, 7:34 p.m. CST
Jackman is the only reason the first movie is worth watching.
July 20, 2007, 7:37 p.m. CST
or the acting that kind of tough
July 20, 2007, 7:42 p.m. CST
Jackman is more a Batman, Superman, Captain America type. Or Jackman as Carter Hall/Hawkman would be awesome. Or Hal Jordan. He could've been a good Cyke. But he still did an excellent job as Logan. The filmmakers just didn't trust the character and to be fair Marvel has overly romanticised him to the point he is not the same guy anymore so it's not like there is no precident.
July 20, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST
as capturing the Cyke I remember from the comics. It's just that he looks like a boy next to Jackman but then who doesn't?
July 20, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST
Can totally do Jackman as Wayne / BAtman - I think would be great.<P>And you are right about the romantic thing. Even I have dreams about him that way and normally they are about Audrey Tatou
July 20, 2007, 7:57 p.m. CST
Seriously. No pansy ass Wolverine film need apply. The rumor about the script being weak has me real nervous. I am really nervous they are going to make a goddamn movie for kids. <BR> <BR> They already fucked up Ghost Rider which should have been a Hard-R type movie so I have little hope that Wolverine will be any different. I really hope I am wrong on this but my gut tells me it is going to be the suck. <BR> <BR> PLEASE PLEASE let me be wrong.
July 20, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST
July 20, 2007, 8:36 p.m. CST
on a Wolverine flick! Too much moolah to be made.....trust me, while Singer delivered a glimpse of something that could have been the old Weapon X story the end result is going to lack backbone without a director who is willing to take it in the balls....will the Tsoti guy be able to deliver that?. But bear in mind inside hollywood he is a nobody and so his artistic integrity is going to be put on the line with this flick l....as a first timer in the big leagues they will trounce over the guys balls...heres hoping he stands up for himself......
July 20, 2007, 8:47 p.m. CST
Sure, his previous film may be the cat's fucking meow, but he's new to the bussiness. FOX picked him because he'll please fans (at least they didnt go with Ratner) but they also picked him because he'll be easy to manipulate. This is his first big film and I'm sure FOX will remind him of this constantly when they want something they think will be awesome, but will probably be stupid, in the movie.
July 20, 2007, 8:57 p.m. CST
by Alonzo Mosely
Are you people insane? In a world where an established R franchise like Die Hard has to be PG-13 to get a new chapter, what possibly makes you think Fox would release an R version of what they see as a kids comicbook movie?
July 20, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST
DIE ANOTHER DAY. Lee Tamahori directed the perfect Once Were Warriors in New Zealand and then gets his big Hollywood break and makes my pick for worse film of 2002, the franchise killer Die Another Day (thankfully ressurected once more by Martin Campbell) not to mention the crapfest XXX 2 State of the Union. Yeah. Give big studio movies to small directors and watch the crap fly!
July 20, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST
holy shit, nobody should try to stick up for xmen 3. that was a just a big wacky piece of shit.
July 20, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST
by Cotton McKnight
Now granted, its not the best movie in the world and I will point out its flaws as much as the next person. You know what pisses me off though? The fact that it is just widely understood to be terrible when SUPERMAN RETURNS and SPIDERMAN 3 get a free pass. Spiderman 3 was worse than X3 in practically every way, and Superman Returns was an absolute abomination. And yet because they're big name directors, nobody says anything about them.
July 20, 2007, 10:12 p.m. CST
cos Supes returns is hated and as is Spidey 3 on this TB. I watched both with my nephew and enjoyed both right up until I had to watch them again. I have watched X3 twice. 1st time it sucked. Oh it also did second time. No characters. Shit dialogue. All the extra mutants could fly or jump really big. Stuff like that held it back
July 20, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST
by Cotton McKnight
Superman Returns doesn't have the same the same universal hatred that X3 does. And it really should, because the crime it committed is FAR worse than anything X3 did.
July 20, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST
his integrity with a Hollywood films, and share the same fears, but ultimately this news makes me optimistic. A good director can lift the material to his level so long as he has some script control. Hell, look at Nolan's Batman. A quality semi-independent director who took a pop franchise and brought a new artistic sensibility to it. Let's just hope Fox realizes this movie will make money no matter what and decides to stay out of Hood's way.
July 21, 2007, 2:17 a.m. CST
Get the fuck over it. Wah wah wah. :(
July 21, 2007, 2:41 a.m. CST
so it relies on the other two films. The new characters are nothing to write home about although Kelsey Grammar's Beast is rather likeable. But I always was kind of down on the Morlocks anyway.
July 21, 2007, 3:08 a.m. CST
So excuse me if I seem off topic I'll read later today but I jist wanted to Say X-3 was utter shit. Complete and utter shit. Rothman Is the Hollywood antichrist.
July 21, 2007, 4:06 a.m. CST
Gavin Hood played the doomed, noble Russian colonel possessed by an evil alien hoo ha in an episode of Stargate
July 21, 2007, 4:11 a.m. CST
But so was Matthew Vaugn for X Men 3. Expect Hack A. to step in when the director decides to make a movie that is not shit.
July 21, 2007, 7:11 a.m. CST
it came out helped that film. It lowered everyone's expectations to the point where a few people bought into it because it was an Uwe Boll film. After reading some positive reviews I too was hoping that The Rat was going to do the impossible but I was severely disappointed.
July 21, 2007, 8:17 a.m. CST
I want to see fucking sabretooth (and not the shitty one we saw in x-men 1 but a really cool one)... and I want to see fuckin japan, or the war, or him fucking running around with gambit or something
July 21, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST
where magneto takes away his adamantium and wolverine is fucking shooting out bones from his hands and shit.
July 21, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST
by Cotton McKnight
You HAVE to be. How in the world could anyone like that movie? There are just so many things WRONG- it's literally comes across as something a gay man would have dreamed about right after watching Superman 2 for the first time. Oh wait...
July 21, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST
in X2. The opening with Nightcrawler infiltrating the White House was bang up awesome! I still love watching that scene. Also the airplane save is well done. <p> By X3 you have enough invested in the characters that I still enjoyed it. The scene where Prof. X dies. Not all action needs to be staged as a setpiece, some of the action in X2 seemed a little too stagey. Like all of the fights with Deathstrike. Singer did this in X1 a lot. He also totally overdid it in SR.
July 21, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST
well it got two good points so far, a good director and hugh jackman.no origin story though please.a badass wolvie slicing and dicin'.japan storyline would be ok.
July 21, 2007, 3:01 p.m. CST
by Robots In Das Guys
You know it in your soul. Is Shia still fucking cats?
July 21, 2007, 11:44 p.m. CST
There is enough in the X1-X3 for 3 Wolverine movies: 1) Wolverine vs. Sabretooth: Wolverine, alone after the death of Jean (the only thing keeping him in the X-Men), in Canada tracking and hunting down a killer. 2) Wolverine tracking and hunting down Stryker to find out his past. 3) Wolverine lopping limbs off of Tom Rothman.
July 21, 2007, 11:47 p.m. CST
Just saw SR and really liked it, with two exceptions: 1) seeing Supes in a bar (just not Supes), 2) how the hell did the Kryptonite have such a negative effect on him when Luthor beat his ass, but yet he can lift the Kryptonite Island into outer-space??? Better than any of the other Superman movies except 1
July 22, 2007, 12:32 a.m. CST
July 22, 2007, 1:22 a.m. CST
July 22, 2007, 1:27 a.m. CST
While he is still struggling for control. He's pretty tame in the X-Men movies.
July 22, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST
First rule of X3. Do not talk about X3 cause its sucked ass. Marvel spits out shiddie kiddie movies like spider-man 3. Marvel needs to roll out their movies like their MAX comic series or Ultimate line. Please put David Fincher to direct Punisher.
July 23, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST
kick ass action movies. I'm sure Chris Nolan seemeed an odd choice for Batman, back when he was best know for Memento. And that turned out brilliant, plus we got The Prestigue.