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RUMOR CONTROL! Let’s Talk About INDY 4!

Published at: July 15, 2007, 6:39 a.m. CST

Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here. I’m going to put up two separate articles today, both titled “RUMOR CONTROL,” and depending on how you react to it, I’ll try to do it from time to time on films where rumors have reached a fever pitch. Basically, I’d like to give you guys a place to talkback about what you’re hearing and, more importantly, what you’re hoping. I don’t ever want to discourage the sort of active anticipation that has always been one of the things that united the film geek friends I have, but at the same time, there are certain occasions when you see fandom getting crazy about things, and when those things aren’t accurate, someone’s got to put on the brakes a bit. My first question is this: how much do you guys really want to know? Because, no matter what Paramount and Lucasfilm think, INDY 4 is a leaky, leaky, leaky movie. If they try to suss out who our sources are or who’s talking to CHUD (pound for pound, the best INDY 4 source online so far) or who is spilling the beans at the studio, they’re going to end up firing most of their production. And it’s inevitable, guys. People are working on an Indiana Jones film. I think for most of them, that’s too surreal for them to believe. I think they’re talking about it so much because they can’t stop themselves. It’s excitement. And already, each of the talkbacks for INDY 4 are turning into sprawling free-for-alls. Right now, one of the most obvious topics is speculation about what to expect from the story of the film. I’m not sure exactly what to expect from the final film. Here’s what I’m pretty sure of, though. This particular incarnation of INDIANA JONES AND THE CITY OF THE GODS (which I am fairly sure is the title at the moment, since it was definitely the title of the script as recently as a year ago) really started to come together when Frank Darabont wrote his drafts. He worked from a story by him, Spielberg, and Lucas. When Lucas infamously decided to pull the plug on the Darabont draft, it sounded like he was going to throw the whole thing out. But more and more, it sounds like what actually happened was that Jeff Nathanson was brought in to take elements of Darabont’s script and introduce some new characters and ideas into it. In particular, Nathanson was hired to create Indy’s son and tie him into the film. Darabont had already brought Marion back into the series in a big way in his draft, and I’m guessing Shia LaBeouf will be taking her place in most of the action scenes that survived from the Darabont draft. It sounds like Karen Allen won’t have as big a part as she would have if they’d filmed that earlier version, but that she is still the thing that ties this directly to RAIDERS. I don’t think the Lost Ark is in the film at all. I wouldn’t swear to that, but I’m pretty comfortable saying that the Ark is not what they’re looking for. Here’s where I am still treading lightly... I don’t want to just spill everything I’ve heard, because I don’t want to ruin the film. People have waited nearly 20 years to get a new INDY film, and if they know every beat a year before it comes out, won’t that ruin it? And if the spoilers are out there, are you going to be able to avoid them even if you want to? I think there are aliens in the film, but I don’t think it’s the typical Area 51 version of aliens. I think we’re dealing with something else entirely... ancient visitors to this planet. I think it’s still an archeology film, and I think they’re going to tie the quest into real artifacts that have a mysterious sort of history. I don’t think this contradicts anything we’ve seen in the previous Indy films, either. More than anything, I think INDY 4 is about how Indiana Jones has reached a point in his life where he knows that he’s touched history a few times, but he’s never really left his mark on it. It’s a personal story, and I think that’s an identifiable thing for Indy to be facing. He’s older, and I think they’re being smart about how they’re writing that. I’m cautiously optimistic. I would really love for this movie to remind us of why we loved the character. I’m optimistic because I’ve read various drafts of this that give me reason to hope. The film’s being rewritten right now by Koepp as they’re shooting, but I hope that works out. I hope they’re just polishing it, sharpening it. I’m still unconvinced about John Hurt being Abner Ravenwood. I think people leapt to that conclusion and it’s somehow become accepted as fact. I don’t know what he is playing, but I don’t think it’s Abner. I think he is long dead, and the only Abner Ravenwood we’ll be seeing in this film drives a motorcycle. If you really want a hint worth chasing down, do some reading on Mitchell-Hedges. Or Nazca. In the meantime, you’re going to continue to read a lot of speculation about what they’re chasing in the film, and some of it’s pretty elaborate. The following theory is wrong, wrong, wrong, but it’s really entertaining, and while you guys tell me what you think about spoilers on this film and how much you really want to know, you can enjoy this as the spirited speculation it is:

Hi Harry, long time reader and big time fan. That talkback Re: possible Indy 4 titles a while back must be considered one of the funniest ever. Ok, I'm just gonna cut to the chase, I think I MAY have an idea about the possible storyline for the upcoming Indy movie. Now I know you think that it will revolve around the Ark again but I think differently. Here's why, before I continue though I must ask that you please be patient. I will be going through some theories, which although I did not create myself may lend themselves to a great script, which could be the basis for a GREAT Indy movie. Here goes... A story posted on 'The Movie Scorecard' talked about 'Indiana Jones and the White Pyramid'. From sources in Yale he basically discovered that the production crew were in a lecture room which had Chinese writing on the chalk board discussing the 'Han Wu' dynasty. Han emperors were buried in the X'ian region of China. Xian is famous for the supposed location of the great White Pyramid. Well after some research on the web re: this pyramid I believe I could see where Lucas & Co. are taking this story. You may or may not know that in 1938 The Soviet newspaper, 'Sputnik' published a story which claimed that Soviet Scientists made a discovery in the Bayan Kara Ula mountains in China (which is apparantly close to Shangri-la). Long story short the discovery consisted of a series of graves containing the skeletons of 'dwarfish like people'. Now what is unique is the fact that the time frame of these well developed people occured in pre-historic times. Chinese legend had it that these people emerged from the clouds and were killed by the locals. I'm mentioning all this because the Soviet discovery of this grave may have triggered investigation into 'alien matters' which culminated in a push to discover the full power of the 'White Pyramid'. Bruce Cathie, a New Zealand author, claims that mathematical calculations indicate that all the pyramids in the world were built in sync and in alliance with the stars. Now apparently this could have been done at the behest of an 'alien society' and could give off 'mystical powers' with proper use. Now, there has been much discussion of the Roswell angle to the story. As is universally known the Roswell incident took place in 1947, around that time pictures of the 'White Pyramid' were taken. Apparently the 'White Pyramid' (now this gets a bit weird) 'unveils' itself in certain circumstances. The first, in 1945 could have been to warn people of the dire consequences of the Atomic bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In 1947, it could have been to indicate the arrival of 'alien beings' to Roswell. Thus, we can see how 'Roswell' comes into play. Whats all the fuss about the 'White Pyramid' and why do i keep using quotation marks to signify it? Well as mentioned before there could be certain mystical powers attributed to the White Pyramids of Xiann. Furthermore, I found another theory online which spoke of the state of 'Hsien' which is a heightned state of conciousness which apparently gives, now this is the kicker, IMMORTALITY. Now I'm sure where we can see where this is going. The Soviets, just like the bad-ass Nazi's with the Ark, want Immortality and thus want to harness this state of 'Hsien' (Brings us back to that idea you had about going back to the beginning, here is Indy AGAIN trying to protect us from the 'baddies' seeking immortality). Now, to do this the Ruskies must first find the place and be able to gain access to it. Now why would they have problems accessing it? Well that would be because apparently there is a 'Secret Society of the White Pyramid' who protect it. They comprise of both the living AND the dead!!! Ok thats pretty much all i have for that, like i said i got most of this stuff from research i did on the web, you probably got the Movie Scorecard story already but the other stuff I got from the following website: The Fabulous 1,000 Foot White Pyramid of Xian I hope all this makes sense and that you can make some use of this story. I really like this angle if this is in fact what they are doing, I like the mysticism and alien parts of it. Really looking forward to this movie and I think Harrison looks great. If you do use some of this please call me JBot. Thanks again Harry and all the best!!

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  • July 15, 2007, 6:43 a.m. CST

    busy day ayy aicn??

    by tnt23789

    lots of news today. loving it too!!!!

  • July 15, 2007, 6:47 a.m. CST

    When is that WHITE MOUNTAINS movie coming out?

    by Mace Tofu

    or is that shut down now.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:50 a.m. CST

    I'm bored of all the rumours myself now

    by SteffanLongdon

    I cannot wait to see this film though.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Re: How much do we want to know?

    by Mace Tofu

    I don't really care but will read anyway. I'll see the movie anyway because I'm a INDY fan.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Spielberg and Lucas and Aliens?

    by newc0253

    ugh, let's hope they ain't cutesy.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Indy tries to discover

    by ARKHAM-MADNESS

    Indy tries to discover the reason why Hollywood Homicide and Firewall didnt click with audiences.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:54 a.m. CST

    The Deep Ones

    by KillianXX

    Indy 4 + X-Files + Ancient Aliens = Cthullu Movie!!

  • July 15, 2007, 6:55 a.m. CST

    "Indiana Jones and the Lost Crusade"

    by Drunken Rage

    could be the worst big-budget movie ever made. I have no faith whatsoever in another IJ movie being worth the price of admission.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Close Encounters

    by KillianXX

    maybe after the aliens do a time warp Richard Dreyfuss will come walking out of the spaceship a the end of this one!

  • July 15, 2007, 6:57 a.m. CST

    if there's one film....

    by billyhitchcock

    ....i don't want to know anything about before i see it, it's a new indy movie, please stop!!!!

  • July 15, 2007, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Aliens. Hmmm.....maybe

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    But its Indy, so I will hold by bile.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:06 a.m. CST

    THE FACT IS...

    by MatDGZ

    If this Indy flick was about Indy trying to find his car keys - I would go and see it. ITS AN INDY MOVIE!!! I am super excited about this, man...the story sounds pretty awesome, if this is how they're gonna play it.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:06 a.m. CST

    They're making a mistake....

    by MasterShake

    if they are cutting Marion's screen time for more Shia LeBouf (the guy couldn't have a gayer name if he was called Gaywad Sucdick). Marion as played by Allen was the perfect companion (i won't even call her a sidekick) for Indy, nearly as tough and able and take-no-shit as him. Marion kept Indy grounded and human so we could relate to him as a real person and not a cartoon. IMO, she may be the biggest reason Raiders was the best film of all three, and it's a big mistake not to use her to the fullest in the next one.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Indy and Religion

    by tphile2

    The focus of each movie is on a different religion and an iconic magical artifact of it. Jewish, Thuggee cult of India (Hindu), Christian. So Indy4 should be on another major religion. City of the Gods (plural) would rule out Allah/Muslims. Red China? maybe its Olympus and the Greek/Roman gods. or Aztech. My hope is for Cthulhu and R'Leyh ;-)

  • July 15, 2007, 7:23 a.m. CST

    RUMOR CONTROL! Let's talk about me and the transvestite

    by tonagan

    I thought it was a chick.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Fate of Atlantis

    by erkojock

    Arrrghh lucas should have made Indy Jones and the Fate of Atlantis!

  • July 15, 2007, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Aztecs!!!

    by erkojock

    maybe Indy goes to the south americas.....

  • July 15, 2007, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Yeah where is white mountains?!?!?

    by red_weed

    Not that this has anything to do with indy really... but uhh i want my damn tripods trilogy movies. I hope that is still being planned. as for indy, i think i'm gonna stop reading spoilers and stuff. i would like to go in fresh and find out for myself what it's all about in the cinema.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Nazca

    by Alientoast

    So the Nazca lines are our hint? Well, that right there hints towards a "Chariots of the Gods" type angle assuming Area 51 is involved. I'm guessing the lines will act as some sort of map that Indy will figure out, which will lead to the "City of the Gods", AKA the aliens, whose technology both the Soviets and USA want in order to gain an upper hand on the Cold War. Naturally Indy will end up causing the place to blow up, but not before the USA gets it's hands on a few token items that will serve as a joke ("So you're Robert Noyce from the alien intel unit, right?"..."Yes, I am"..."We want you to look at this advanced alien technology, and to see if you can possibly reverse engineer it. We are willing to help you fund a startup company to act as a cover to better facilitate the introduction of this technology into the mass market, naturally after we are given all your research for military use and intel first"..."Sure, and I have the perfect name for the company too!").

  • July 15, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST

    lol

    by mastes360

    I doub't that with todays technology, pyramids would not be found in China!, the whole world has been mapped by satellites many times and 100feet structures would be found. I have also checked Google Earth and they don't exist!.....lol

  • July 15, 2007, 7:48 a.m. CST

    stargate

    by drunkenmonkey73

    Aliens and Archaeology

  • July 15, 2007, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Karen Allen Confimation; Still Waiting

    by XXVIII

    What's taking so long? After all the hype of her inclusion in the film, I will be devastated if she's not a part of it.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Mori, keep this up. Good stuff.

    by Shermdawg

    Now, could ya please do a post-release "RUMOR CONTROL!" for all of the Don Murphy stuff that happened here in the Tranny talkbacks? <br><br> Or how about that face I found in the clouds in the first Spidey 3 teaser image? Sam knows I was right!!!

  • July 15, 2007, 9 a.m. CST

    Excited about this movie.

    by mrfan

    I tell ya I am excited. Now excuse me while I change my undies.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Indian Jones and the Left Wing Moonbats

    by TheBloop

    Just can what to see the scene were fights Ward Churchill, who has a bomb vest on, on top the empire state building, while left wing hippies chant "Attica! Attica!" on the streets below.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Indian Jones and the typo attack

    by TheBloop

    Just read my first post back, yikes!

  • July 15, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    hmmmm...

    by keyserSOZE

    well, it could STILL incorporate Atlantis, because looking up Hedges-Mitchell, he claimed to have discovered an island that he believed was Atlantis. also did a ton of exploration in South America...so that ties in with the Nazca lines and some "undiscovered tribe" sort of angle.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Ok, can I suggest something...

    by Shermdawg

    This should have been done for the "FLAMES ON OPTIMUS..." posts as well... <br><br> Can we get a talkback devoted to (and kept on the main page) for all of the "INDIANA JONES AND..." posts? (spam?) <br><br> It quickly becomes annoying, and if it started up again and in full force, it would interrupt JettL93's inside scoops. ;)

  • July 15, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Keep in mind Karen Allen is 56 this year

    by Ryan3

    It would've been cool to have seen Marion play a bgger role in the new film, but considering the still beautiful Karen Allen is 56 this year and probably isn't the slim lady she was in 1980 (if she's still in the film in only a smaller cameo role capacity), she may not have been physically up to wanting to doing big action scenes.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Every week the story changes...lets just keep our dicks

    by Jugdish

    in our pants for a couple months until we get something worth a boner..Geez

  • July 15, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Little Blue Pill

    by keyserSOZE

    i had to jump onto both the "and the..." and "harrison is old" trains. and now, i'm jumping off.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the close encounters of the lost ark

    by HarryBlackPotter

    I want to see Indy and Indy Jr battling sadistic Ruskies in A-Bomb test sites. I want to see Indy meet a young Elvis. I want to see Indy shoot down a UFO in Roswell. Too much to ask for I know.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Will Indy 4 DVD be given away free with the Daily Mail?

    by HarryBlackPotter

    If it's good enough for Prince, it's good enough for Spielberg.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Rumor Control!

    by lost.rules

    That' when Lost TB's dissappear. Right?

  • July 15, 2007, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Soviet newspaper

    by RenoNevada2000

    The Soviet newspaper was "Pravda" not "Sputnik"...

  • July 15, 2007, 10:05 a.m. CST

    TomBodet, I never spam "Melting Owl...".

    by Shermdawg

    I keep that shit reserved to one post in a talkback.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Drift of Tokyo

    by messi

    STARSCREAM!

  • July 15, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    JETT!!!

    by Shermdawg

    WELCOME BACK!!!

  • July 15, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    10:17:37 - flashback

    by AllieJamison

    I just felt like back in elementary school. When you allow that kid that lacks any soft skills to play with you. It all goes well. Until, once again, he takes a pencil and sticks it right into one of the other kids' hands.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    The White Lodge?

    by holidill

    White Pyramid? White Mountains? What about the White Lodge? (For all you Twin Peaks fans!)

  • July 15, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Mori - thanks for the information.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I'm both excited for and nervous about the new INDY film. There is so much speculation and the initial Lucas/Darabont situation didn't exactly inspire confidence in the project. (Lucas has made some rather dubious story choices in the not-to-distant past...) I'm not sure I like the idea of "aliens" in an Indiana Jones movie. But it sounds like this will be more about our favorite archaeologist and his historical implication (both canon & cinematic). Could be very cool...depending on how the story plays out.<P>I do hope this film (which IMHO should be the last) will be more in the vein of RAIDERS. While ToD and TLC are enjoyable, they never captured the magic and tone of RAIDERS. It's a tough standard to match. But if anyone can do it, the "Holy Trinity" (Lucas/Spielberg/Ford) stands the best chance.<P>And how great is it to have Marion/Karen Allen back?! She's been gone for far too long. The more she's in it the better, I say!

  • July 15, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Anasazi?

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    I thought John Hurt was playing Albert Einstein? The only thing I'm worried about is location -- Indy has always been about exotic locales. The jungles of Central America, the deserts of Egypt, Shanghai clubs, India. If Indy 4 is set entirely in the USA, I'm boycotting the film. I hope to hell they haven't drawn Nazca-like lines in the New Mexico desert and are pretending it's Peru. I want location shooting dammit! But the rumours of Hurt playing Einstein, New Mexico... did you know Robert Oppenheimer quoted a verse of the Vedic Baghavad-gita during the first atomic bomb test? Opp was an eminent sanskrit scholar. The Vedas of India tell of ancient weapons with the power of a thousand suns, that wiped out entire cities and turned people to ash. So could Indy be chasing an ancient weapon of mass destruction? Another New Mexico angle is the Hopi/Anasazi/Pueblo, and their myths of "star people" and a prophecy that they will one day return to the Earth. Could that be the extraterrestrial angle? Either way, Indy 4 is a reunion of all kinds -- Spielberg with Close Encounters, and Lucas with American Graffiti (Harrison Ford, 1950s). But I am now very worried there will be no location shooting, and everything will be fake sets filmed in the USA. And Karen Allen's diminished role, pushed aside to cater for the 20-something demographic, is worrying. I'm still looking forward to the film though, and I might take Moriarty's advice and avoid the internet for the next year. I'm happy with the short clip of Harrison Ford with dusty fedora on head and bullship by his side, that's the only motivation I need to see Indy 4. ;)

  • July 15, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Indy and Tintin - obvious!

    by Chokey

    It's no secret that Tintin is a big influence on Indiana Jones...read the Tintin comic "Flight 714" and you'll see the ancient aliens angle. If that is true I'm excited!

  • July 15, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Bullwhip

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    I meant bullwhip, not bullship. What the hell is a bullship? Certainly not bullshit. By the way, Gordon Creighton debunked the whole Dropa/White Pyramid bullship years ago. Google it. Chris Aubeck did a very admirable research job into the hoax's history as well. Oh, the City of Gods could be City of Gold -- if Nazca is a big hint, then do a bit of reading about Incan myths of Shambhala-like cities in South America. My wager -- Cate Blanchett plays a Russian academic/villain, not Indy's romantic interest.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Would love to Marion back in some capacity.

    by mrfan

    I just don't see the character Abner Ravenwood being played by John Hurt. When he was first mentioned in Raiders I just thought of someone who would have been an older Indy. A mentor of sorts. Still looking forward to this movie in 2008. I plan on calling in sick that day from work.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    I hope it isn't the "ancient aliens" angle

    by ChildOfMen

    Personally the whole von Daniken "chariots of the gods" stuff has always ticked me off, because it seems both stupid and insulting. The basic premise seems to be that ancient people a) had no imagination, so if they did paintings/sculptures of odd multi-limbed beings, it must be because they saw them, not because they imagined them and b) that none of the accomplishments of our ancestors could have been possible without the help of alien astronauts to either guide them or even outright build everything for them. I just really hope that isn't the path this movie is going down, as it will make it hard for me to enjoy it, even though it is Indy.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and The Origin of Mankind

    by darrenspool

    It's pretty obvious.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    The relic isn't important

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    It's Indy's adventures in finding the relic which is important. Which is why I love Temple of Doom so much. Nothing world-destroying, just a couple of magical rocks that protect a village. I especially love the prologue -- the backstory of Indy in China would have made a fantastic film in its own right, I'd rather have seen that made into a film before Last Crusade. It's Indy's passion for finding artifacts that endeared him to us, not the artifact itself. Remember in Raiders when he handed Marcus the coin, and apologised for not getting him more for the museum display? Remember Indy making the rubbing of the Templar sarcophagus in Last Crusade? THAT is what I want to pay to see. Just give us a classic Indy adventure for chrissakes, don't make it too fancy and complicated. Does Lucas remember the old 30s serials that inspired Indiana Jones in the first place? Go back to your roots, George. Remember the golden rule -- keep it simple.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Fire and foil the leakers

    by INWOsuxRED

    I have no doubt the people leaking stuff on Indy signed all sorts of agreements saying they wouldn't to get their jobs. They all know they promised not to do it. There must be thousands of people in the industry that would give an appendage to work on this film, I would hope the people that get the jobs are decent people who deserve it, and when they break the trust of their employers to that degree, I don't think they deserve the opportunity. Find and fire some of the worst offenders and replace them, and see if that doesn't stop the leaks. How many crew members want to have "Fired from Indiana Jones because I leaked things to a nerd-site after signing an agreement saying I wouldn't" on their resume? Hopefully some, most, or all of the leakers are actually sending out, or laying the goundwork to send out foilers. Just based on the wide range of rumors out there, it seems like that might already be the case. If so, good for them.... I have no problems with snapshots from people who walk by a film set and realize it is Indy, because they made no commitment to keeping secrets. I have no problem with official updates from the production itself. If they want to make something public, they have every right. The people who promised not to leak anything and then do, they actually do deserve to be fired.</br></br>Also, I think this film will be dissapointing and may even suck.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    JettL93

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    Jett, I've been saying the same thing. Shia playing Indy Jnr is a (probably) a massive foiler. I say probably because it's still possible. But I remember versions of an Indy 4 script that had a young, cocky sidekick/apprentice for the aging Indy. Someone he passes the fedora to, ala Last Crusade. However, I trust Mori when he says Indy 4 is springing leaks like George Lucas's waterbed -- Shia looks a lot like a 20-year-old Harrison Ford (except for the eyebrows), so at this stage I reckon it could go either way, unrelated sidekick or reunited son.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST

    i love you MORi

    by AllieJamison

    (..was what i wanted to write in the first place)That article really made my, otherwise with last minute exam-preparation filled, afternoon. I'm glad you finally adressed the Spoiler dilemma. I really like the way Indy IV has been covered on AICN so far. There haven't been any huge reveals but instead you, just as in this article, were cautiously and superficially describing the alleged path of the film's plot and its development. I also appreciated the fact that, while actually going for some leaks, Devin over at chud, seemed to keep some big plot points to himself. <br> I understand it that certain spectacular Indy IV scoops get websites a huge increase in hits. And while I get it that somehow these hits help websites like this one to survive, I think that spoiling crucial parts of this film is not what a site like AICN should be about (just in my mind of course). To me this would seem self-destructive in a way.<br> <br> I'm happy to come here and read some superficial analysis like this one, that doesn't give anything important away. I'm glad to be able to share the excitement, doubts and fears about that film. These moments of collective anticipation (be it negative or positive) are indeed much more about what we already HAVE experienced in theaters than what is ahead of us, which is partly what makes these situations so special. <br> As much as I normally like things to be transparent and accessible this is a situation where I want to be protected, where I even want the gatekeepers to withheld information from me so that I can save the greatest thrills for the theater itself and not the time I sit in front of this computer. <br> <br> These sentences about this being a rather personal tale had me all excited. That's what I want. I want as much character exploration as this film can bear... before loosing the action/plot-character balance. I want them to show me good reasons why this story has to be told. What's up with Indy after all these years? I just cannot imagine how it would work with him being all the same...and not having any age-related personal struggles ...*sigh*

  • July 15, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Uh....

    by jimmy_009

    ...isn't it possible Indy was just teaching this in his class and has nothing at all to do with the plot? Why the fuck would you just assume that's the plot to the movie just cause there was stuff on the blackboard? If that was the other Indy movies would have had a completely different stories.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:22 a.m. CST

    @AllieJamison

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    Harrison made it very clear he wanted Indy to show his age, and he wouldn't do it if they tried to pretend he was still 30-something. You don't have to worry about that at all. Trust me. ;)

  • July 15, 2007, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Who cares about old Indy? We want Shia!

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Shia, the voice of the new target demographic!

  • July 15, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Dr Gonzo

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    Dr Gonzo, you have the right medicine my man. Thank you! ;) PS, anyone interested in the crystal skulls, read "The Mystery of the Crystal Skulls" by Chris Morton and Ceri Louise Thomas. I just dusted off my copy from the bottom bookshelf to read again, and it's making my giddy like a schoolboy. By the way, Fred Mitchell-Hedges was 73 years old in 1955 -- so John Hurt is perfectly cast. wink wink

  • July 15, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Re: Spoilers

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    Can you believe a Lost Spoilers website actually had people complaining about the spoilers?! WTF is wrong with people? If you don't want spoilers, don't read a website with SPOILERS in its title. AICN however is a lion that's lost its teeth, but I'm sure Harry is enjoying his Hollywood career, bribes and kickbacks, and doesn't miss the bad old days of being the most hated nerd on the internet. I miss that bad-ass Harry. :p

  • July 15, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    I feel your anger, Krack

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    I'm remaining optimistic though. It's Indy! But I reckon we're all angry because instead of getting more Indy films in the 1990s, Lucas spent the entire decade working on Jar Jar Binks. So I don't blame you for being bitter and jaded, Krack. Not at all.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Spoilers

    by Darth Busey

    Post everything you know, and let us decide if we want to read it or not. This has always worked in the past.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Also

    by Darth Busey

    the whole historical aliens-pyramids-crystal skulls thing sounds completely un-Indiana Jones, but pretty interesting and should make a fun movie nonetheless.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Good point Ryan3

    by MasterShake

    I had considered Karen Allen's age when ranting they should use her more, even if she's not physically up to action scenes. That's why they have 30-year-old stunt doubles for 60-year-old actors these days. Does anyone believe Ford will even touch a stunt now? Oh, and this just in... Shia LeBouf's name is still gay.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    So, IS karen allen in this movie???

    by jojo-pimp

    God i hope so!

  • July 15, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Stargate

    by jbs0209

    If it is about aliens and Indy does NOT find the Stargate I will be highly disappointed.<br>

  • July 15, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Chamber of Secrets!!!!

    by ludmir88

    Sounds good isn't it? Or maybe Indiana Jones and the Goblet of Fire : This time Shia will choose wrong.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:17 p.m. CST

    This is TRUTH:

    by Bronx Cheer

    People will slag the film and it'll be good, or it'll suck and people will say it's the second coming of Christ, but whatever the ultimate outcome, you'll be on to Speed Racer sucking before you know it...and how much Spider-Man 4 is going to suck with Gary Oldman as the Vulture. Oh sorry, spoilers.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and Allan Quatermain team up!!!

    by ludmir88

    in (again) Indiana Jones and Allan Quatermain in the Lost City of Fucking Rumors. Spoiler!!: Harry will be the fat emperor. Fuck yeah!!!!!!

  • July 15, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    I heard a rumor on this site that Transformers was good

    by Spandau Belly

    turned out to be horribly false.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST

    no aliens please

    by BLWiseass

    that would stink and be completely out of place in the series. Oh well.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and The Search For Mulder's Sister

    by Dr Gregory House

    Scully likes to be 'whipped'

  • July 15, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    The Lost Ten Tribes or the city of enoch in the Bible

    by THE FAN

    Think about it... the city of Enoch that was taken up. Or it might be about the lost ten tribes.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Marion Is In.

    by CHEWBLACCA

    This is a fact. Karen Allen IS in this movie. Though I can't say how I know, I know. And by all accounts, is still as cute as ever. _ Marion is the one that got away and Indy needs to nail that down. ;)

  • July 15, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Short Round???

    by Semper Die

    If any part of this is set in China, what's the chance of seeing Shorty play a part? They'd probably recast him as the guy from "H&K go to White Castle" or something. And Karen Allen's a part-time yoga instructor these days...she's looking pretty nice for 56-ish.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Hey Moriarty,

    by Forestal

    You might want to post some news on what the Indy 4 production is up to in Hawaii instead of reposting existing rumors that Indy fans have been talking about for weeks already. Kathleen Kennedy and Frank Marshall held a press conference in Hawaii recently. They're saying that 20% of the film's action is being filmed in Hawaii (which is doubling for South America) And Marshall mentioned there's an action scene being filmed there that's on the same level as the truck chase from Raiders. http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2007/07/14/producers_of_latest_indiana_jones_instal

  • July 15, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Cate Blanchett is the villain.

    by sparkflyer

    Take it to the bank.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST

    I PRAY ITS NOT AN ARK STORY AGAIN

    by Norm3

    There are too many untold adventures that could be told with out re-telling the same ones over & over.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    No Commies! No Aliens!

    by Dr Dischord

    You know why there are so many WWII shooters out there? Cuz everyone loves to kill Nazis! I don't want to see Indy flail away at the Red Menace or deal with time travelling angel aliens. I want to watch him beat up Nazis trying to use Biblical artifacts to win WWII. That is an excellent format. Temple of Doom sucks mostly because he's beating up random "brown people". Fuck that. I'd rather see a non-Harrison Indiana beating up Nazis trying to find Solomon's gold or the Shroud of Turin or something. I'd rather see Harrison just kick Nazi teeth in in front of a brick wall for two hours. But no aliens or Commies!

  • July 15, 2007, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Norm3

    by krushjudgement

    Did You read this article first? It's not the Ark man.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Some freaky shite!!

    by red1701

    First thing that popped in my head was the crystal skull thing, and I didn't even know it was related to Mitchell-Hedges! The whole thing with Nazca and ancient astronauts smacks of the unexplained phenomenon books that I read as a kid that made me keep my lights on until I was in my early teens.... Frickin Jack Palance and his "believe it.....or not"... If you watch the clip from the teaser behind the scenes, Indy is being held by American Soldiers and not the usual Nazi bastards, so this definitely helps to point in the Area 51-foundations for project blue book direction.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    ZombieSolutions

    by krushjudgement

    There's a key difference with this movie. Spielberg is an excellent director. Gerorge Lucas while a genius with mythologies, is not a great director. But he is a good producer.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    krushjudgement

    by Norm3

    yes i did. but you never know.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Aliens or Gods or Alien = Gods

    by Norm3

    Face it Alien doubters you can't sit there & say you believe that a God created all those biblical miracles. If so where the hell is he now? On vacation! When it only make sense we had contact in the past & they were the real gods. Read, The Gods of Eden by William Bramley or any book by ZECHARIA SITCHIN http://www.sitchin.com/ or even Billy Meier www.figu.org .

  • July 15, 2007, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones vs Mars Attacks!

    by canvasseamonkey

    ack ack!! ack ack ack ack!!!

  • July 15, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    The worst artifact was easily the holy grail.

    by rbatty024

    Sorry but the New Testament is laaaame. Sure, the gospels are passable but the Pauline Letters are shite and Revalations gets real boring real quick. The Old Testament God's all right, but even he doesn't compare to Greek or Norse Mythology.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Moriarty, for heaven's sake, say that there is no alien

    by JackPumpkinhead

    ...idiocy anywhere in this film. No "alien gods", no "ancient astronauts", no moronic bullshit of this sort. For even if it turns out to be a great film as such - even with Shia - then I could never enjoy something based on the psychotic ramblings of scamming scumbag racists (von Daeniken), murderous psychos (Ira Einhorn), or certified asylum nuts (Sitchin)... to say nothing of their sociopathic followers (some of whom may have already invaded even this talkback, urgh! Hopefully not, though... hopefully they'll stay somewhere in their holes, wearing dresses and rolling in mud while searching for "faces on Mars") I think I'd rather have Shia revealed as Indy's post-sex-change daughter than any mention of "aliens" (unless as a 100% red herring) anywhere in this movie...

  • July 15, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Rumor Control!!!!

    by ludmir88

    defeating the rumor forces of AICN!!!.LAME ,LAME... LAME!!!!

  • July 15, 2007, 2:31 p.m. CST

    dwarf/midget/little people fetish of George

    by boogersnot

    Did I read that right "dwarfish aliens?" What the fuck is the fetish George and Steven have with dwarfs, midgets and little people? I'm waiting for those two to make a Schindler's List remake except have it being tall people massacring little people.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the

    by Shaner Jedi

    Search for Ancient Astronauts? Bring it on!

  • July 15, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST

    It's the tomb of Jesus!

    by lost.rules

    James Cameron has had alot of influence on this film.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    The fountain of youth!

    by lost.rules

    oh, wait. They sorta did that already.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    It's the AntiChrist!

    by lost.rules

    50's? Hmmmm. Wasn't George Bush born around that time? Indy has to kill baby Bush, before it's too late!

  • July 15, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Nosferatu Jones

    by Shaner Jedi

    "Didn't the '70s "Battlestar Galactica" already kind of touch on this?" Larson is a Mormon and based some of the names and backstory on his own beliefs. The star of Kobol for Kolob(star system Mormons believe God resides), Council of the Twelve, etc.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Pirates of the Caribbean!!!

    by ludmir88

    MEHHHH...

  • July 15, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    This sounds stupid.

    by RetroActive

    Really, really stupid. Bummer.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    The Bullwhip and Gun

    by LunchboxGTI

    After doing some research about the crystal skull, I found an interesting piece of info that might have inspired Indy's famous whip. The following is a quote from an information page on Mitchell-Hedges adopted daughter "sammy". "For her own safety amongst natives, many of whom had never seen a white woman before, Anna carried a whip and a pistol."

  • July 15, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST

    INDIANA JONES AND THE WRATH OF SATAN

    by wackybantha

    NOW THAT WOULD BE KICKASS!!!!!

  • July 15, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Star Wars

    by WX1

    Interesting, interesting the whole “little [ancient? Someone correct me if I’m wrong] people” angle. Start with a sidenote: Hawaii has its own myths and in these myths, one “menehune” – little folk with, for lack of better description, magical ability, bit mischievous, likes to hide. Can get harrowing too; a story I heard of is a guy who reportedly SAW a menehune (this would be about the 1970s) – the guy died the next day. * * * One of the KGMB newscasts reported filming in Hawaii’s supposed to wrap up on 07/24/2007; and with Executive Producer Kathleen Kennedy’s remark (and I’m paraphrasing here) at the recent press conference – shown in snippets in that KGMB newscast – “this is one of the nicest locations by far” that they’ve filmed in so far, so, wouldn’t be surprised if filming goes over. Then, again, there’s a budget, right. Hmmm . . . time to see who I know still live Hilo and or Honkaa side li’dat if I stay Jonesing (WHOOO-HOOOO, HOW YOU LIKE THAT JOKE?! YOU NEVER SAW IT COMIN’, YOU NEVER SAW IT COM . . . OK, I’ll shaddup) for Indy inside news. ‘Til then, I guess the local newspapers and newscasts will report as needed. * * * Here’s what I’d like to see – Lucas took liberties with Spielberg’s E.T.s inna Republic legislative style, well (‘specially since Spielberg owns a piece o’ “Star Wars”), maybe L and S. can come up with a NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE “Star Wars” connection to the “Indy” series. You know, “Long time ago” could very well mean 1940s, 1950s, right? Maybe something buried on Earth by Master C (and that’d MMMMM.SSSSSS C! for all you hip-hop fans) Bo’ath? I dunno.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    INDIANA JONES AND THE SEARCH FOR THE LOST STORY ARC

    by wackybantha

    I have no idea what I mean. I just thought it and typed it.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:13 p.m. CST

    RUMOR CONTROL!!!

    by wackybantha

    CLOVERFIELD is NOT the new RAINBOW BRITE live-action film!!!

  • July 15, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Nazis could show up.

    by mrfan

    If part of the movie takes place in South America many nazis went there to hide after the war. You never know who might show up in an Indiana Jones movie.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    This movie sounds like it's going to be Masonic

    by Doc_Strange

    Maybe they should delve into why these fuckers rule the world and why no one cares to do anything about it.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    “Indiana Jones and the Search for Star . . .

    by WX1

    . . . Wars” is most probably highly unlikely. Simple put, too distracting. In a lot of ways I don’t even wanna see it. But, I keep thinking about that Alien head in the Predator ship in “Predator 2” and, well, as much as I was excited to see that scene first time around like a lot of yous, I think coulda’ been handled WAY better – maybe L and S are just the guys to do it. Even something subtle is what I'm proposing, just like how we saw the E.T.s at the bottom of the screen, with regard to this “Star Wars” connection, heh, I can just see Indy almost ‘splainin’ to himself in front of some CIAers comin’ to visit him, “yes, they were a tribe that seemingly disappeared overnight. Stories of laser swords,” CIAer: “LASER SWORDS!?!?!?!?!?, INDY: “. . . yeah, laser swords. “Knights” if you will, almost, in brown robes, some even looked human. I think this book has a picture . . .” Sigh. mid-20th century action film in this day and age of dominating Transformers and Superheroes. Sigh. I just wanna see the Indy magic again. C’MON LUCAS AND SPIELBERG, YOU. CAN. DO. IT! Have some laulau or plate lunch or something, I dunno.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Shia LeBouf. Gayest. Name. Ever.

    by MasterShake

    I mean, my name could be Bob Buttpirate, and it still wouldn't be as gay sounding as Shia LeBouf. Just sayin'.

  • July 15, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST

    It has come to my attention..

    by MasterShake

    that I have been mis-spelling Shia LaBeouf's last name. It's even gayer than I thought.

  • July 15, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Moriarty you pussy, just tell us the damn spoilers

    by Rupee88

    Put it in invisotext so only those of us who want to read it, will do so. But you are being a puss and a poor journalist for "protecting" us from and "censoring" the truth and facts. I agree that you don't want to put them in the headline or in the first sentence, but invisotext was made for a reason. Don't be our daddy, just give us the information.

  • July 15, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Chamber of Secrets...

    by ZeroCorpse

    Someone once said that you could sell more books if you just put "Harry Potter and..." before the title of every other book out there. You know: "Harry Potter and The Secret", "Harry Potter and A Clockwork Orange", or "Harry Potter and the Kama Sutra"... It's a good game to play. As for Indy, I'm willing to wait and be surprised.

  • July 15, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones' Obscure Object of Desire

    by bananasuperpower

    May 2008

  • July 15, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Temple of Koepp

    by AllieJamison

    What's the reason and purpose of the whole on-set rewriting affair? <br> Uh, and... IndyAbbeyJones, do your thing!

  • July 15, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Einhorn and Finkel. Finkel and Einhorn.

    by performingmonkey

    Search your feelings, you will know it to be true. The son of Skywalker must not become a whiney little fucker. Snooze you lose.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    "Indiana Jones & the Fountain of Youth" is, in fact...

    by SalvatoreGravano

    ...a game. A very nice adventure game. With, possibly, Doug Lee as Indy's voice. Downloadable from barnettcollege.com

  • July 15, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the AICN lack of ideas!!!!

    by ludmir88

    fuck yeah!!!

  • July 15, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Harrison is a stroke, and Lucas will drop the ball!

    by LogynRose

    I mean does anyone even care that much about a harrison ford movie?, Yea, the first three were great but c'mon, Its lucas and Ford, they have not had a truly great peice of work in over a decade, and Harrison Ford is such acts more like the Indy who was under the spell of Kali in the second Indy movie!///o num shiv eye!

  • July 15, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Please no aliens in the Indy mythos...

    by ScienceMan

    I love aliens as much as the next geek, but I just don't see an Indy story crying out for the inclusion of aliens. Here's hoping they're not going that route.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Indy IV - script excerpt

    by Runs with a Gut

    This excerpt's from an early draft (when the film was going to be set during WWII): FADE IN: EXT. TUNISIAN DESERT – DAY The terrain is comprised of rolling, vast sand dunes and rocky hills – between the dunes and hills, anything could be hidden. TITLES BEGIN We move across the sand, rounding a dune. The only sound is the wind. Suddenly, the surfaces are man-made: we are in ancient ruins. We pan back to discover that we are faced with a giant STEP PYRAMID, made from blocks of sandstone that are each as tall as a man. The PYRAMID lies between an EASTERN and WESTERN SAND DUNE. The PYRAMID is old. Really old. We keep moving around the pyramid, and then slowly climb the WESTERN DUNE. As we do so, we become aware of another sound, that of ENGINES. SUPER: NORTH AFRICA, 1942 TWO MEN are positioned at the top of WESTERN DUNE, beside TWO JEEPS WITH ENGINES RUNNING. One is COLONEL HARGREAVES, British, middle-aged, uptight, proper. He wears the silly-looking shorts of the British North African soldier. CAPTAIN DYE is an American tank commander who wears a distinctive TEXAS STYLE COWBOY HAT above a normal US Army captain’s combat fatigues. The THIRD MAN is walking up to the top of the dune. A TRAIL OF FOOTPRINTS shows that he is returning from a visit to the PYRAMID. From behind, we see that he wears, instead of a military uniform, a distinctive leather jacket and hat, and there’s a whip at his belt. This man is INDIANA JONES. The FIRST JEEP has a BRITISH DRIVER. THE SECOND is empty. INDY speaks as he approaches HARGREAVES and DYE. INDY We can’t stop here. HARGREAVES And why is that Dr Jones? INDY Because if we stop here, we’ll end up fighting here. And if we end up fighting here, we’ll destroy this pyramid, and we’ll never learn anything from it. HARGREAVES Dr Jones, let me remind you that you are here as a civilian adviser. You’re here because you’re familiar with this terrain. And that is the only reason you are here. INDY has reached the men. INDY Colonel, this is proof that the Egyptians built pyramids further west than anyone thought. Do you have any idea how important this is? HARGREAVES I doubt Jerry will care about that Dr Jones. In any case, the Nazis are at least 200 miles away by my calculations so you needn’t worry. Dye, would you mind reconnoitering? We’re stopping here. DYE Sure thing Colonel. But uh, you know, if those Nazis kept on driving from Benghazi overnight, they could be a lot closer than 200 miles away. HARGREAVES (angry in an uptight British way) Let me tell you something Captain. Unlike you Americans, we’ve been fighting these bloody Germans since the war started. HARGREAVES waves his arms around. HARGREAVES I know how fast these bastards move. So if I say General Koltz and his Panzers are 200 miles away, you can rest assured that they are. DYE squints toward the next dune.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Judging from Mori's synopsis...

    by Bubba Gillman

    ...I would guess we probably won't see aliens per se. The mystical ending we always get with Indy will in this case probably be something connected with the alien technology. And LogynRose, you're forgetting the third ingredient here - Spielberg.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Head of Jar Jar Binks

    by sith-vol

    Trust me....no one wants aliens in this with Lucas involved.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Nazi Scientists perfecting Tesla's UFO work in Area 51

    by voxmortis

    ...ain't that the obvious story?! The US welcomed the best Nazi scientists into the country at the end of the 2nd WW. They helped them in the space race - also continued their research into Tesla's electro-propulsion theories (or whatever)... hence UFOs.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Yeah, and Temple of Doom is the worst film from

    by superninja

    a storytelling standpoint. If it had been less vague, it probably would've been better, but it was so cartoonish in its handling of it. <p> The Tesla angle is kind of cool, but I really am not into mixing Indy with aliens, either. We'll see, I guess.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Re: Spoilers (no actual spoilers)

    by buffywrestling

    Time magazine recently had an article about the new Harry Potter book and the subject of "spoliers" leaking out but as I was reading, it certainly captured hoow I feel about spoliers in general:(paraphrase) <p> "The idea that someone could ruin..(it) by revealing its ending is like saying you could ruin the Mona Lisa by revealing it's a picture of a woman with a center part (in her hair). No elaborate secrecy campaign is going to make..(it) any better than it already is, and no website could possibly make it useless and boring." <p> That's the kind of idea I always had toward spoilers, be it for a TV show, book or movie. If I am already invested in the characters, the mood and the tone, I'm most likely going to find I enjoy it even if the storyline falls a bit short (although, it goes without saying, that it'll be better if it doesn't)..

  • July 15, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Aliens. I think everyone likes the idea of aliens, but

    by superninja

    do they translate well to the screen outside of fantasy? It often seems more of a miss than a hit, it works better the more mysterious they seem, but it can get real hokey.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Indy already discovered alien artifacts

    by Doc_Strange

    In that video game that was like Tomb Raider. Good game but damn, talk about spending forever trying to find where to go next, shit.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    the reason i like raiders the most

    by LarryTheCableGuy

    is cause at the end all the bad guys are on the island and there's the storm element, it has atmosphere, the sky is cloudy, the thunder roars. like god is pissed. i love that feeling when there's a tornado watch. then the ceremony and all the bad guys get there's in the end. i want that again in this one. close encounters had it, ghostbusters had it, now do the same in this film. as well as a crazy special effects ghostly light show.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    "Waited twenty years"?

    by Phimseto

    That's not quite true. I've been waiting twenty years hoping they leave well-enough alone. This is about as much "Because you wanted it..." as Terminator 3. That is to say, a majority of people didn't want it at all.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    I don't want ot be spoiled yet I keep reading everythin

    by Proman1984

    Can't wait fo rhtis movie.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:23 p.m. CST

    @toddboddy:

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    "Harrison Ford NEEDS immortality -- FAST! by ToddBoddy Jul 15th, 2007 07:40:31 AM 'Dude is aging faster than the rot in Nicole Ritchie's twat.'" It's called a fetus my friend.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:29 p.m. CST

    White Mountains

    by Harrigan

    Sorry for chiming in late - but I think all those White Mountain rumors came from Spielberg doing the tripods in War of the Worlds. I would, however, love to see those movies get made.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST

    "Fuck aliens"? Fuck the Bible, man!

    by Mosquito March

    While I agree that aliens are a touchy subject in a series that has always relied on supernatural religious artifacts, I am amazed by all the ostriches with their heads apparently in the sand about the silliness inherent in Indy's previous adventures. I see people cursing Von Danikken and the "Chariots of the Gods" being horseshit, when in actuality, everything else Indy's gone after has been complete horseshit. Just because millions and millions of people hold Judeo-Christian beliefs doesn't lend them any more weight than any other religion, even the ridiculous pseudoscientific alien shit people have been obsessed with since well before the supposed "Roswell incident". If I have a problem with aliens being in INDY 4, it's because RAIDERS and CRUSADE take the Bible as literal truth, and the Bible doesn't make allowances for alien visitors in South America. It doesn't fit with the mythology of the series - the idea that our world is a magical place where deities jump in and help archaeologists fight evil Nazis. But, anybody who trashes the "ancient astronuats" angle because it's "ridiculous" needs to take a long, hard look at the Indiana Jones movies they've been watching, and the belief systems that informed them. It isn't any sillier than what YOU probably believe.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:46 p.m. CST

    mitchell-hedges? my

    by misnomer

    mitchell-hedges? my favourite smoke...seriously though, isnt that the crystal skull. i like that as a mcguffin..hope it sticks...

  • July 15, 2007, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Mosquito March.

    by superninja

    Regardless of what you think of it, the basis for the Indy films has heretofore been on religious objects. Aliens have a science fiction element that people may be reluctant to see introduced to Indy.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:27 p.m. CST

    20% of Indy 4 in South America

    by kname2

    These quotes from a news article: Published: 7/14/07, 3:46 PM EDT By JAYMES SONG HILO, Hawaii (AP) "The movie just completed the first of three weeks of filming in Hawaii, after spending a week each in New Mexico and Connecticut. The lush areas surrounding Hilo are filling in as a South American rain forest." and,... "Hawaii will be featured in about 20 percent of the film. About half will be from sets in Los Angeles. The Aloha State was also the backdrop for portions of "Raiders of the Lost Ark."

  • July 15, 2007, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Lost Burrito of the Gods

    by William Munny

    A spicy action/adventure follow-up that includes guacamole, sour cream, and enough tequila drinks to guarantee a visit to the sacred porcelain alter. Can an Indy-themed restaurant be far off? Send inquiries to the Bubba-Gump Shrimp Co. Sigh.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Richard Chamberlain and the .... WHAT?

    by ludmir88

    sorry. mehhhhhhhhhh

  • July 15, 2007, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Here's why aliens don't work.

    by rbatty024

    Indiana Jones has always been about uncovering parts of the world that modern civilization has left behind. Biblical or Hindu references that have fallen out of the literal world and into the world of mythology, and it has become Indiana's job to show these mythical objects are literal truths. He is looking backwards into our past to find objects long forgotten. However, if aliens were introduced, even if in regards to past artifacts, then we being to look forward. Aliens are a scientific phenomena and we begin to look towards a future revelation between humanity and other lifeforms. Sci-fi is antithetical to Indiana Jones because it looks into the future rather than the past. I might be underestimating Spielberg and company but I don't think aliens would work in an Indiana Jones film.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:58 p.m. CST

    I'm Torn

    by NoHubris

    Of course, we know Lucas and Spielberg can do aliens better than anybody, but aliens with Indy?<P>The story would be easier to accept if they only deal with the builders of the pyramids/power of the pyramids, while leaving out the alien aspect.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    rbatty, that's what I mean.

    by superninja

    The reason the Ark worked so well is that the script is so wonderful. It sets up the Ark and its abilities, it demonstrates the lengths Indy will go to get an object and his rivalry with Belloq. Indy has no faith and his own motives, but as the film progresses, he begins to realize this is bigger than him and by the end when the supernatural begins to occur it's not hokey. It's earned it, it has built up to it - very frightening to me as a kid. <p> I don't know what other religious object they could use which would have that kind of impact.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:27 p.m. CST

    I see what you mean Superninja...

    by rbatty024

    with religious artifacts there's something greater than you, but with most alien films it's just a greater science. It's no longer transcendent, its just physics pushed to the brink. Granted, Spielberg is one of the only filmmakers to make aliens seem mythical, but that still doesn't mean it would work with Indiana Jones. Although, I've heard it might work with VOLTRON.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:29 p.m. CST

    I think it's the SEX AND THE CITY movie!!!

    by wackybantha

    The one destroying the city is.......WHO ELSE?? MR. BIG!!!!!

  • July 15, 2007, 11:34 p.m. CST

    The 2

    by Darth Maui

    Is there going to be a new Romancing the Stone sequel to capitalize on the success of Indy 4?

  • July 15, 2007, 11:41 p.m. CST

    I'm just trying to think of when I've seen this kind

    by superninja

    of stuff before like with Atlantis, for example. Or time travel films. Stargate. It makes it seem like a fantasy or sci-fi movie. Indiana Jones contains elements of history with interludes of metaphysical, so I guess it could work.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Yes, we know, gany.

    by superninja

    Do you want the aliens peeing on people in this one as well?

  • July 15, 2007, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Plus, it's still not transcendent since it doesn't

    by superninja

    really answer anything it just removes you one step further from the answer.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Disappointed

    by Charles Martel

    Though fantastical, the previous Indy films still had their sights firmly set on historically grounded themse. Whether or not you believe in the religious truth of the Ark or the Grail, or of the Shankara stones, they were still objects and situations that had a bit of grounding in the human experience.<p>If this film DOES, in fact, have to do with Nazca lines and aliens, we move into absolute nutburger land (what's next, 9/11 Troofer themse?) and step outside the realm of human experience. I think this would be a horrible, horrible mistake.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Gee, Rupee88...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... when you talk all pretty to me like that, I'm not sure if I should post the spoilers or just lay on my back so you can finger me. <P>See, if you go back and read the piece, I'm trying to engage you guys in a dialogue about what is too much information. And your response is evidently "I'M A CUNT! I'M A CUNT! FUCK YOU! GIVE ME EVERYTHING I WANT! FUCK YOU!" <P>Makes me feel all warm inside.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:10 a.m. CST

    The 2

    by Darth Maui

    I trust you, Moriarty, to only reveal the appropriate amount of information ahead of time about Indy 4.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:22 a.m. CST

    gany, Jonah was swallowed by a whale and

    by superninja

    died inside the whale and then was resurrected and expelled onto dry land. At least get it right.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:26 a.m. CST

    The human experience thing.

    by superninja

    Some people would argue that the Nazca lines and all that stuff are part of the human experience. They could even introduce it in a way where they never had to reveal it, but made it about the chase. Still, just doesn't have the same impact.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:31 a.m. CST

    crystal skulls and nazca lines

    by El Borak

    are supposed to be some kind of proof of a far advanced race being present on earth way before terrestrial humans had begun culture and civilization.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Yes, even one author claimed Moses was from

    by superninja

    Atlantis and that the Ark had a radioactive meteor in it and that the gold made it a superconductor. <p> Maybe people who worshipped the stars built the Nazca lines to communicate to the stars and arranged their pyramids and temples because they worshipped heavenly bodies and followed astrological movements?

  • July 16, 2007, 12:47 a.m. CST

    who is playing Marion?

    by tiger_robot

    It can't be Cate Blanchett...she's too young. Isn't she?

  • July 16, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST

    @Moriarty

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    If you don't post spoilers, a zillion other websites will. And talkbackers can't be trusted to keep their yaps shut. So it's a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation! Sucks to be you. ;) Seriously mate, I don't want to know anything more about Indy 4, so I'm avoiding AICN and the entire internet for the next year. I want to see Indy 4 like I saw Raiders and Temple as a kid, not knowing a single thing about the plots, characters, nothing. I miss those days, when all you got was a trailer, and maybe a double-page feature in the local newspaper the week before opening. I've read spoilers thus far because Lucas hasn't exactly instilled me with confidence in the last 18 years, and I don't want to be worrying if Indy 4 will get Jar Jarred. But that one little clip, of Spielberg, Ford and Lucas hanging around and sharing a laugh on set, was all I needed to be reassured that Indy 4 will meet my high expectations, and turn me into a 10 year old seeing Indiana Jones for the first time again. I need that old movie magic -- in the last 20 years, the only film that has given me that rush of anticipation is Peter Jackson's LOTR. Mori -- do what you think is best. Afterall, everyone hates the fuckwits who, when you're lining up to see The Sixth Sense, blurt out "who woulda thunk Bruce Willis was dead hyuk hyuk" Keep the magic and mystery alive, my friend -- don't tell us anything. ;)

  • July 16, 2007, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Put flames on Indy.

    by superninja

    gany is all over that.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:14 a.m. CST

    INDIANA JONES AND THE SEARCH FOR A BRIDE FOR KNOWLES

    by Darth Bauer

    Congrats.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:16 a.m. CST

    INDIANA JONES AND MARC SAID FRAN IS A C*NT

    by Darth Bauer

    Kill him, Bob!

  • July 16, 2007, 2:08 a.m. CST

    The crystal skull thing

    by somewhere-august

    The crystal skull thing could be great. But if aliens are the origin of all the ancient artifacts, then if Shia takes over the reigns (like he's reported to do in the future), what would he go after? Once you take the super- natural out of thesupernatural, then why make more movies? Stargate has already been done. But I'm sure Indy 4 will rule the box office next summer. And I'll be there!

  • July 16, 2007, 2:37 a.m. CST

    RUMOUR CONTROL! Lucas did not rape your childhood!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    He just fucked up the new SW trilogy.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:44 a.m. CST

    ALL TALBACKERS TAKE NOTE!!

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    "Kali-ma.....Kali-ma......Kali-ma-shutt-te-day!"

  • July 16, 2007, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Forestal?

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    Are you finky089?

  • July 16, 2007, 2:52 a.m. CST

    AllieJameson

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    "Umnumshibye.Umnumshibye.Umnumshibye.Umnumshibye.Umnumshibye.Umnumshibye.Umnumshibye.Umnumshibye.Umnumshibye.Umnumshibye.Umnumshibye.Umnumshibye. **SCREEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMM** **burst into flames and dies**

  • July 16, 2007, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Am I alone on this Talkback?

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    As Belloq once shouted into the Well Of The Souls... HEEEELLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOO!

  • July 16, 2007, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Yes...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... Rupee88 does have a point. On the top of his tiny, tiny head.

  • July 16, 2007, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Many More Indy Adventures on Their Way!

    by James_Blond

    http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2856&Itemid=99 hell yeah!

  • July 16, 2007, 4:26 a.m. CST

    ...

    by James_Blond

    http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2856&Itemid=99

  • July 16, 2007, 4:28 a.m. CST

    No-one is more excited about this

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    than me. I finally saw the Indy moves clip yesterday and just seeing an official shot from a new Indy movie....something inside me moved. It just looked...like Indy.... I agree with Mori - any massive spoilers should be kept back if possible - no-one wants to go into the cinema next May knowing every beat and story arc. Let's keep speculating by all means but I'd rather have my anticipation stoked rather than blown. Until May 08 - Fortune and Glory kid.....Fortune and Glory.

  • July 16, 2007, 4:30 a.m. CST

    crap

    by James_Blond

    Well i cant get the link to work.. here's the story. Shia LaBeouf, a break out star this year with a few small films under his belt like Disturbia, Surf’s Up and Transformers, has signed a four picture deal as the archeologist’s offspring. That’s right, he has signed on for 3 more Indiana Jones movies after this one! Does this mean Harrison Ford is done with this franchise after this film? Apparently not! He signed a three picture deal, his final stint as the whip wielding adventurer will be a trilogy.

  • July 16, 2007, 4:37 a.m. CST

    New Trilogy

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    Yes! No!Yes! No!Yes! No!Yes! No!Yes! No!Yes! No!Yes! No!Yes! No!Yes! No!Yes! No!Yes! No!Yes! No!Yes! No! New Adventures! Expanding the Indiana Jones mythology! New Adventures! Pissing on everything that went before!

  • July 16, 2007, 4:37 a.m. CST

    @James_Blond

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    If three more Indy films are on the way with Ford featuring in them, then my dream has come true. When Indy 4 finally went into production, I prayed to the gods they'd make at least two films. And IndiAbbey, you call him _Dr Jones_, lady! IndiAbbey, IndiAbbey, what kind of a name is that, is it short for something?

  • July 16, 2007, 4:40 a.m. CST

    The link

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    Too many spaces in the hyperlink, James_Blond. ;) http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2856&Itemid=99

  • July 16, 2007, 4:43 a.m. CST

    The Link, again

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    Bah, people will figure it out for themselves. If you copy paste it, spaces are automatically placed in the address. And IndiAbbey, calm down, you scream like Willie. With Harrison and Spielberg in charge, Lucas isn't going to pull a Jar Jar on us.

  • July 16, 2007, 5:26 a.m. CST

    Hardbolied Wonderland

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    I am perfectly calm. I have every confidence in Speilberg and the Neckpouch. Just as I believe that Harrison will redeem over 10 years of mediocre performances with this film. But a new trilogy? Taking Indiana Jones into the 60's?! I dunno.... let's just leave it at 4 films. Why has everything got to be about the "threequals" nowadays? And IndiAbbey Jones is the penname I initially operated under when I began posting letters to the Metro, a free commuter paper we get here in Scotland. It is a combination of my idol and my (former) workplace.

  • July 16, 2007, 5:29 a.m. CST

    Don't get so defensive, doll

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    Don't you recognise a Temple of Doom reference when you see one? ;) "Willie Willie Willie, what kind of a name is that?" "Willie is my professional name, Indiana." "Hey lady, you call him Dr Jones!" "_My_ professional name."

  • July 16, 2007, 5:41 a.m. CST

    An open apology to all Talkbackers

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    A few minutes ago I missed an Indiana Jones reference in Hardboiled Wonderland's post. I am asking forgiveness and the continued blessing of all present to remain on the Talkback. **Slap** That's for blasphemy!

  • July 16, 2007, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Indiana Jones vs Ross Geller

    by Dr Gregory House

    It's archaeologist vs. paleontologist in a race against time as Jennifer Aniston's nipples are in danger of softening for the first time since puberty.

  • July 16, 2007, 7:08 a.m. CST

    how did you know she was a nazi

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    zbobroberts said so

  • July 16, 2007, 7:13 a.m. CST

    But seriously...

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    a new trilogy means less Indy and more Mutt....which I am sure no-one wants to see. While I think that The Beef will probably end up being embraced as part of the Indy canon I don't think new movies centering on him. To be honest I'd rather they do three prequels, using CGI wizardry to bring Henry Jones Snr back - three 2 hour movies of him being stern to a young Indiana, ignoring his dying with and giving dry lectures to students.

  • July 16, 2007, 7:13 a.m. CST

    But seriously...

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    a new trilogy means less Indy and more Mutt....which I am sure no-one wants to see. While I think that The Beef will probably end up being embraced as part of the Indy canon I don't think new movies centering on him. To be honest I'd rather they do three prequels, using CGI wizardry to bring Henry Jones Snr back - three 2 hour movies of him being stern to a young Indiana, ignoring his dying wife and giving dry lectures to students.

  • July 16, 2007, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Whoops!

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    Double post and still couldn't fix the spelling errors! I was of course joking about the prequels....

  • July 16, 2007, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Ha! I knew it

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I knew if Indy and Marion had a son, they'd name him Abner. What else would they call him? Indy? <p> Bring on Indiana Jones and the Village of the Dwarves

  • July 16, 2007, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Do you remember.....

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    the last time we had a quiet drink together? Mmmmmmm... I had a milshake. Do I sense a rebuke? A regret. It was just the two of us Dad it was a lonely way to grow up. Maybe if you'd been like the other kid's fathers you would have understood. Actually, I was a wonderful father. Did I ever tell you to eat up, go to bed, wash behind your ears. No. I respected your privacy and I taught you. Self. Reliance. What you taught me was that i was less important than some guy who had been dead in another country for 500 years and I learned it so well....that we've barely spoken in twenty years. You left..just when you were becoming interesting. **disbelieving snort** Alright. **closing Grail diary** I'm here now. What do you want to talk about? **several uncomfortable moments filled with a pointed stare from Sean and increasing panic from Harrison** I can't think of a single thing. Well what are you complaining for?!

  • July 16, 2007, 7:27 a.m. CST

    I said this on another talkback

    by Hybrid16

    but what the hell. I was opposed to this film ever being made, probably just after What Lies Beneath. Up until then I could see it - Six Days, Seven Nights, while not great, did seem to show a Ford that was warming up for Indy, Air Force One, again I could see Ford being Indy again. Since then, I have been quite negative regarding Indy 4. Many people debate how good/average/bad TOD and LC are when compared to Raiders, but to me they are Indy films, and they have their charms and great points. If this film is anywhere near those 2 I'll be happy. After re-watching the Indy DVD and the making of the trilogy feature recently, plus Firewall, I just thought that Ford couldn't do it. That he had lost that something that made him Indy, that returning to the role he would ruin it. In the interviews on the Indy DVD he seemed to start of quite miserable, subdued, even un-interested at times. Its not until TOD and LC that we see Ford wake up a little, at one point he cracks a smile, but its not Ford. Firewall is the same, he looks old (and I know he's 65), out of it and uninterested, plus his inability to pick decent projects baffled me. Nothing against Ford, we all grow old, but my point is I was happy with the trilogy and didn't see any reason for a new film, Ford being the main reason. Thank god then for the footage the other day. Ford has clearly put a lot of work in physically, hes smiling, and in that brief clip, being held by soldiers, he is Indy, he's pulling the right face and theres a twinkle in his eye. I'm interested in seeing an older Indy, but not an old Harrison Ford. There is a difference, as we have all seen over the last few years and why we all go back to Indy and Star Wars etc to be reminded of what Ford did. Can he again? I am positive. The set photos with him and Shia got me worried again, but this brief clip looks like everything is right. Maybe its wrong to judge it based on clip thats afew seconds long, but I haven't seen Ford look this good in a long time. Theres even a photo of him on gettyimages.com from 5th july at some bash and he looks better. Optimistic? Yes. I know its early days, but I think Spielberg may have found the old Harrison Ford, which was the main reason why i didn't want this made because I didn't think that was possible. "THERES A BIG SNAKE IN THE PLANE JOCK!" "THATS JUST MY PET SNAKE REGGIE" "I HATE SNAKES JOCK, I HATE THEM!!"

  • July 16, 2007, 8:18 a.m. CST

    superninja - Take the time to process what you read.

    by Mosquito March

    I already stated that aliens don't fit into the world the Indy movies has set forth. It's right there in my fucking post. What I am saying is that ancient religious artifacts are no more realistic than alien shit, which is the impression that some of these talkbackers seem to have.

  • July 16, 2007, 8:22 a.m. CST

    MAGICAL ancient religious artifacts, that is...

    by Mosquito March

    .

  • July 16, 2007, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Artifacts

    by Pandas

    The problem with Indy going after a religious artifact is that pretty much the most interesting and exciting one story-wise was in the first film. It's difficult to come up with something to equal or top that. With that in mind, and as there seems to be some division on the aliens issue, what object or subject do people think would make for a good film? I can't think of much beyond the obvious stuff like Atlantis (which appeared in one of the games of course), but I'm sure the rest of you can do better.

  • July 16, 2007, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Artifacts

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    I have no issue with the Ark being re-visited. I like the idea that after 20 plus years Indy gets a chance to either destroy it or put it beyond the reach of the Top.Men.

  • July 16, 2007, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Patience is a Virtue

    by BeyondStatic

    These guys know what they're doing. They're Spielberg and Lucas for cryin' out loud! Be patient. It'll be worth the wait.

  • July 16, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    sure, patience is a virtue

    by Lost Prophet

    20 years for TPM? <p>glad I was patient with that one. <p>knowing when to quit is also a virtue.

  • July 16, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST

    I hate the idea of Aliens in an Indiana Jones Film

    by Lost Prophet

    yuck. <p>why not just have him race for a non judeo-christian artefact? something from greek or norse mythology could be cool. <p>Indiana jones and the quest for Thor's left nut. It's lightening powered.

  • July 16, 2007, 9:10 a.m. CST

    TPM didn't have Ford

    by Hybrid16

    or Spielberg involved and Lucas ain't directing this.

  • July 16, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    When's Spielberg making MUNICH 2?

    by Spandau Belly

    I want a trilogy of Mosaad hitsquad action dammit!

  • July 16, 2007, 9:24 a.m. CST

    The only way I'll accept aliens

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    is if they are a red herring used by the characters who control the artifact to explain away it's effects. I can imagine the Ark being used - I can imagine the Top Men have engineered A-bombs out of studying it. Think of the clip we've seen of Indy and the American soilders - couldn't they be looking off camera at a mushroom cloud?

  • July 16, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Moriarty-

    by Automaton Overlord

    Thanks for bringing up this issue. I believe that there are certain kinds of movies that rely so heavily on twist endings that they become highly "spoilable". While others are extremely experience based and "in the moment". These movies are un-spoilable. According to my tastes, there are many great films of both extremes, and many great films in the middle area. My point is that an Indiana Jones film that truly lives up to it's name would be completely un-spoilable, like the Republic serials that inspire it. This is the best of the best type of cinema, though they have twist endings you can't spoil Psycho or Citizen Kane or Casablanca. Think about it, what could you posibly have heard that would have spoiled Raiders for you. Bring on the unsubstantiated rumors!

  • July 16, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST

    IndiAbbey

    by Automaton Overlord

    Nice thought about a mushroom cloud, the soldiers look pretty unsettled themselves. I think they would be lit differently if that was the case though. Unless it's a "No wait he/she is still in there!" moment.

  • July 16, 2007, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Soldiers unsettled?

    by Hybrid16

    The one on the left looks like he hasn't been told the camera is rolling. Or he's quite happy with himself about something, I'm sure he's got abit of a smirk going on, probably cus he's captured Indy. I reckon its the 1st meeting between Jones and someone, or whatevers happening the soldiers are loving every second. Well the one on the left is.

  • July 16, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Automaton Overlord

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    Your right about the lighting - though I suppose that could be added in post. But I still think that Indy was been captured in that clip trying to stop / destroy American forces from using the Ark / McGuffin and that the reaction ion that clip is coming from seeing it unleashed. Indy is like disapointed/resigned whereas soilders are freaked - maybe they are looking over the desert to a big ghostly woman who's face has just changed into a skull

  • July 16, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Hybrid16

    by Automaton Overlord

    Hilarious! I'll have to go back and watch that again. That was just my first impression.

  • July 16, 2007, 9:51 a.m. CST

    ganymede3010

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Regarding TRANSFORMERS, you're the only person I've seen that's been able to simultaneously flame both the haters & supporters of that flick. First, you sing Bay's praises and then you get banned from his forum. Now, you're seeking sanctuary with the Stooges?!?! What the hell are you trying to do?!

  • July 16, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    No she isn't gany

    by Lost Prophet

    She's seen it now, and thinks it's shit. <p>I don't care if this is a 20 year reassembling of the dream team, that whole idea really worries me as I am desperate for this to be good, and am struggling to think of things with that long a hiatus that are good.

  • July 16, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST

    I was reading the kid's interview in this month's

    by Lost Prophet

    Vanity Fair and by the end of it all I could think was "what a little shit". Maybe he was stitched up but he came across as a right cunt.

  • July 16, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    I've heard about the Nazca lines...

    by Moonwatcher

    but who are (is?) Mitchell-Hedges? Anybody know?

  • July 16, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Automaton Overlord

    by Hybrid16

    I may be wrong because I watched it in a small window but the soldier on the left seems to be quite happy with himself/whats going on/he's touching Ford/he's looking at Spielberg. But Ford is perfect in that shot, so I hope left hand soldier didn't mess it up for him!

  • July 16, 2007, 10:05 a.m. CST

    I welcome a little supernatural to the series

    by Automation Overlord

    i don't mind involving aliens or government conspiracies. Its much more believable then all that religious voodo. whats more plausable, that some god harnesses power in an arc, or that the planet may have been visited by beings from another planet, i welcome the science over religion angle anyday

  • July 16, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Aliens

    by Automaton Overlord

    If they're a red herring, I like them a lot. I think that experimental prototype "flying-wing" plane in Raiders added a cool flavor to the movie. I hope we see the USAF's flying saucer in the upcoming film, The military wanted to build a bigger one to be a bomber but they never did. but It definitely would have been around area 51 in that time period. If you've never seen it, it's worth checking out. it's called the- VZ-9AV if you feel like searching for it. Maybe they make a big version that runs on the ark or something.

  • July 16, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST

    !

    by Automaton Overlord

    Welcome back Jett

  • July 16, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Automaton Overlord

    by Lost Prophet

    That description you've just done sounds like a low rent episode of the X-files. <p>I'd really rather not have it be sci-fi.

  • July 16, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST

    is this one gonna be based on fact or not

    by Automation Overlord

    sorry i should have added this in my last post but i forgot (sotty for posting so close together), Is this movie going to have actual facts in it, or is it going to be based on made up stuff?, i'd love if they tied indy into the development of the attomic bomb or something, but i don't wanna see him have an allout brawl with aliens to save the planet, i don't mind a little supernatural, but its still got to be grounded to be believable

  • July 16, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and The Secret of the Jawas

    by Hybrid16

    Professor Guy: Indy the Ark was stored at Area 51, or wherever we are, or wherever we are talking about, but was stolen by aliens. These aliens were cunning, and were masters at stealing some of the most valuable artifacts known to man. If you look over there, you can see 4 of them dismantling what appears to be your transportation. Jawa 1: Pistana, siwi pistana! Jawa 2: Wutineeee! Indy: Jawas....I hate these guys!

  • July 16, 2007, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Ok - so if the soilders are happy

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    then they wanted the Ark / A-bomb / whatever to go off and successfully stopped Indy from doing so. Whatever is off camera concerns Dr Jones - and I know that he is gonna fix it! No time for love!

  • July 16, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Transformers was beyond terrible

    by Spandau Belly

    I realize a lot of you guys grew up on the 1980s cartoon and so you were just happy to see your beloved characters animated by ILM on the big screen, but as a movie there's nothing redeeming about Transformers.<br><br>The plot lines were too numerous and pointless and too full of crass and cliched humour. The action was incomprehensible. Its filming ignored clarity and its editing ignored sequence.<br><br>I'm glad you guys have a bunch of new Optimus Prime: Movie Edition toys to play with, but as a filmgoer just looking for a good story about some fighting robots this film was a zero on a scale on which Terminator 2: Judgement Day is a TEN.

  • July 16, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    What animals will they use...

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    in the gross-out scene? South American jungle....hmmm How about those worms that swim up your Japs eye when your in the river?..... No? Anyone?

  • July 16, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    IndiAbbey Jones

    by Hybrid16

    Amen to that! You know that he's thinking on the spot. It might not be pretty, and he'll get afew bruises but he will fix it. Thats the great thing, that small piece of footage, that face, the way he is, just from that you know that he is planning his next move on the spot. He is making it up as he goes along.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    INDIANA JONES AND THE SON OF LAO CHE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Short Round returns as the secret son of the evil Lao Che. Shorty fulfills an ancient prophecy as the decsendent of the ancient aliens who built the pyramids of China. Area 51 is where the aliens will send 1,000,000 virgins for Short Round to impregnate and create a new master race. The End.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    i liked transformers

    by Automation Overlord

    i mean it wasn't the greatest movie ever and its not gonna be a monumental film in history, but you know what, for 2 and a half hours, i forgot all about how i hate my job and my life...so therefore it served its purpose, it entertained me and took me away from my troubles and in my opinion that made it a good movie

  • July 16, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    No Time For Love BringingSexyBack!

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    No time for ShortRound! Time for The Beef!

  • July 16, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    really?

    by Automaton Overlord

    I hated Transformers!

  • July 16, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    IndiAbbey Jones - Animals to be used...

    by Mosquito March

    I think the most disgusting animals they could possibly use for the traditional Indy critter gross-out scene would be Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears, and Paris Hilton. And maybe a cameo by Natasha Lyonne.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Its got to be gross.

    by Hybrid16

    Maggots or something. Or loads of bats. But they appeared in TOD. Tough one.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    please can TF stay out of this.

    by Lost Prophet

    It's not as if anyone has anything new or insightful to say.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    too close usernames

    by Lost Prophet

    BRAIN MELTING, gghgrrhg\OS

  • July 16, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    too close usernames

    by Automaton Overlord

    Yea, right. I know. The other one's JettL93!

  • July 16, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST

    I don't care what the animals are

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    as long as they are real. No CGI penis worm monsters like in Kong for Indy. Watching Raiders - when Indy falls in fron tof the cobra - even though we can all see the reflection in the glass; is still 500% better than any CGI critter.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Honey Badgers

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    These are real animals and are fucking vicious. Look it up. Not gross but probably the only animal that could take down Jones.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    ALL TALKBACKERS TAKE NOTE!

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    Snakes..... Why'd it have to be snakes.....

  • July 16, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Automaton Overlord...

    by Automation Overlord

    yeah TF was an enjoyable movie, i was entertained and maybe cause thats all i asked for i enjoyed it, i think some people had to many high expectations...oh and nice name, what a wiered coincidence, i've used this as my handle for years on other sites, i didn't know there was someone so similar on AICN

  • July 16, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    *Spoiler* Shia LeBeouf to pose as one of the virgins

    by BringingSexyBack

    to foil the Short Round / Alien plot to take over Earth. Shorty uncovers Shia's secret identity when he only allows doggy-style.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Leave me alone..

    by Automaton Overlord

    JettL93.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:23 a.m. CST

    crystal skullzzzzzzzzzzz

    by Shigeru

    <br>

  • July 16, 2007, 11:23 a.m. CST

    NO SNAKES THIS TIME - IT WILL BE SCORPIONS

    by BringingSexyBack

    in the desert.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Has anyone watched Spaceship Earth?

    by BringingSexyBack

    We are descended from alien organic matter that came to Earth via a crashed asteroid. That's too cool.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    .

    by Automaton Overlord

    the only thing "wiered" is your spelling, Jett.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST

    INDIANA JONES AND THE NAZI POPE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Zombie I think you just struck gold there.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    couldn't have said it better ZombieSolutions

    by Automation Overlord

    thats exactly my feelings on the whole religion vs science thing, aliens are much more believable then the crap in the bible also automation,why you calling me jett?

  • July 16, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Zombie - that religion post is awesome

    by BringingSexyBack

    Religion is the greatest scam ever perpetrated by the human race. I can understand the need for religion by ancient civilizations, but in the age of science? People wake the fuck up already.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST

    This is bullshit

    by Automaton Overlord

    This user name has seen some good times, but due to current circumstances, I think I'll retire it for a while. Thanks guys, I'll never forget the Walter B. talkback! Think of your robot cheiftain once in a while, won't you. </p> </p> Automaton Overlord signing off

  • July 16, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Ugh, a movie about the Dropa?

    by Heckles

    70-year-old Chinese hoax, nice. This is one of the lamest UFO rumors ever. The whole thing is complete bullshit, cited by fictional people and backed up by no one.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Zombiesolutions....

    by Jake430

    sorry, but your grasp of God, the Bible, and history is woefully ignorant.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    ZombieSolutions...

    by rbatty024

    I agree completely that religion is pretty much a scam, but at the same time I enjoy religious mythology. Some of the Bible is a good read (not really the New Testament), but also Norse, Native American and Greek Mythology. I've read The Odyssey more times than I can count. I don't believe in any of it but it's still fun to read and think about in a metaphorical sense, if not in a metaphysical sense. You don't have to believe in the Greek gods to enjoy The Iliad. Similarly, I don't believe in ghosts but I still like a good ghost story now and then. I also like alien stories, and believe they exist somewhere (not sure if they've visited), but I just don't think it works within the context of Indiana Jones. No matter what they end up doing, I'm still pretty exited for this movie. I can't help but be exited. Seeing the short clip and the picture was enough to make me want to see Indiana Jones on the screen again.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Atom bomb

    by somewhere-august

    It's obvious that John Hurt's character is key to the plot. He's probably holding an object or has information that both a rogue element of the American government and the Russians want. Whatever the main object is, it must be something that can be used as a weapon. Lucas did say that this Indy would be the most supernatural out of all the films, so the ending may be a bit explosive. Atomic bomb, anyone?

  • July 16, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Religion had its purpose a long time ago

    by Automation Overlord

    it was there to help guide people when we knew nothing about the world or science, but as we have learned more and more and explored more and more, most of our discovereys have negatted what the bible taught, so therefore i really can't understand why people still follow it. i mean is there any one out there that can truthfully defend the idea that god snaped his fingers and created life and that evolution doesn't exist. Treat it as history and a study of the human civilization, but its all just stories.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Spielberg will kill this movie when Harry fly in

    by stamper

    Steven, don't bring Harry on the set, please... it's box office poison, your movie is taken away from you and reedited badly, just because Harry said it stunk.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    I dont care whats true...

    by LORDRANDO

    Its just exciting...a new adventure...and im so sick of speculation due to this jj abrams shit, I say we just sit back and wait...like we used to, when the only possible info this far in advance was a poster or magazine....

  • July 16, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    You're right, Lost Prophet.

    by Spandau Belly

    There's nothing new or interesting to say about Transformers. I'm sorry. I just saw it a few days ago and I guess I missed out on the inital talkbacking. I will try to think of new and interesting things to say about an Indiana Jones movie that none of us know anything about and doesn't yet exist.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    PS

    by LORDRANDO

    As for the production being LEAKY, lets remember this is the man (Lucas) who convinced most of Northern California he was making a film called "Blue Harvest" in the Redwood Forests....granted things have changed...but if I was him....

  • July 16, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST

    I AM THE PROPHET BRINGINGSEXYBACK AND I HAVE GOOD NEWS

    by BringingSexyBack

    from God. <p>Henceforth every man shall have a virginal Supermodel to bang. So let it be written, so let it be done.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    The biggest dissapointment of 2008 will be

    by Automation Overlord

    JJ abrahs star trek, ok so take a over 40 year franchise with pretty stable continutity, hand over the rains to a tv director, and make the movie a prequel with new actors playing chacters we love dear...yeah indy 4 is going to be citizen cane next to that train wreck. On the other hand, to be fair, jj gives us an awesome trailer and media hype so that makes him a great director right...right?

  • July 16, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Material in script frm book...

    by bloodysam

    that is called Fingerprint of the Gods.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Really, just stories....

    by Jake430

    How come in the Old Testament, men about the world being round? long before anyboby else? I don't mean to turn this thread into this but don't make claims you can't substantiate. there is truth in the Bible

  • July 16, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST

    secular and humanist

    by Jake430

    secular and humanist institutions have caused much more fear and murder and than any religion.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST

    The score

    by somewhere-august

    I'm not sure how good the film will be, but being given one more chance to hear John Williams score another Indiana Jones makes me as giddy as a schoolboy. Wait a minute... I was never giddy, even when I was a schoolboy!

  • July 16, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    anyways back to Indy 4

    by Jake430

    I am looking forward to this because I never got to see any Indy movie in the theaters. I saw Last crusade on HBO with my brother, just before he died, so these movies have a special meaning to me as he was the one that introduced them to me. ROTLA became one of my all time favorites. I think if anyone can handle an alien story and make it good, SS can. If there are aliens, I have faith that SS will handle it right in regards to the material and history of Indiana Jones.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST

    ZOMBIE, I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH GOD AND HE SAID

    by BringingSexyBack

    No sacrifices need be made for any man to have his supermodel. The woman will be made in a laboratory from alien DNA (humanoid stock). Americans will be able to choose the look of their model while others will get what they get. <p>So said BringingSexyBack, Prophet of God. Praise Be To Me.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    i just hope the score sounds the same

    by Automation Overlord

    Williams is the gretest film composer ever, but his style is very different today, look at the prequels don't get me wrong they had good scores, but they were very differnt from williams scores of the 70-80's, he tends to use more vocal performances in his later works, which produce a much more gothic sound, and while that was suitible for the prequels given the themes of those movies, indy 4 needs to have the same heroic sound we had back in the 80's

  • July 16, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Jake 430, even the Greeks believed the Earth...

    by rbatty024

    was round, but they didn't think it was spherical. They could tell that the Earth was a circle thanks to the eclipses, but they believed it to be a flat disc. Sure secularists have done awful things, but not nearly on the scale of religion. (There's also an argument that religion created the groundwork for Communist Russia). A secular society didn't exist until recently. There's no way that in that amount of time they could have caught up with religion's death toll.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    However, Jake, I do agree...

    by rbatty024

    that it will be nice to see an Indiana Jones film in the theaters. I too have only seen them on the small screen.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:17 p.m. CST

    i imagine there's a lot of us...

    by Automation Overlord

    who never saw an indy film on the big screen, i know i grew up watching them on VHS and it wasn't until after i had seen crusade that my dad brought home a copy of ROTLA, temple of doom was always my favorite cause i watched it so much, but now that i'm older its probably my least fav of the 3 only because i'm old enough to compare it to the other 2 which were much better films story wise

  • July 16, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    It's not a question of

    by Mattyboy122

    Whether or not aliens are more plausible than religious artifacts bearing mystical powers; it's a question of what fits in the Indiana Jones universe. We've had three films which deal with a world in which religious artifacts are taken as having legitimate power. If they go the whole 'aliens gave us religion and technology' route, it not only makes for a strange Indiana Jones movie (in the sense that it wouldn't gel with the past three), but it also LESSENS the impact of the first three films. Next time you watch Raiders you won't experience any awe at the opening of the Ark, you'll just wonder 'hmm, how did those aliens get such a contraption to work?' When you pop in Temple of Doom, when the Shankara stones begin to glow you won't be like 'holy shit,' you'll just think 'ah, what a nifty alien gem,' and then Donovan disintegrates in Last Crusade you'll be thinking 'okay, what the fuck, there's no way a cup could do that, even with alien technology.' It's a matter of what fits in the Indiana Jones universe. I'd like to see Jones encountering other mystical entities and relics because they fit with the other films. This proposed plot (and Shia as Indy's kid) basically shoots the film in the legs before the race even starts, so to speak. I have huge, huge doubts as to whether this can be pulled off (and I like Lucas, Spielberg, and Ford to varying degrees).

  • July 16, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Indy dies...

    by pizzatheface

    They brought in Shia to have someone through whose eyes we witness the death of the main character. But it will be a meaningful, emotional death scene, allowing us all to weep for the passing of a childhood friend.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    He's doing his own stunts

    by jfp2007

    Some cocksucker in here said Ford isn't doing his own stunts. A new report contradicts cocksucker's musings given he is doing most of his own stunts.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:34 p.m. CST

    pizzatheface - If that happens...

    by Mosquito March

    ...it'll just be proof that the Big Three don't even understand their own franchise anymore. Nothing in cinema has made me feel more alive than the Indy films. If they kill Indy, they kill the never-too-injured-to-keep-fighting spirit of the series. It's not a character we should ever be forced to say "goodbye" to.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST

    The Indy character has more mileage in him

    by Spandau Belly

    I think Indiana Jones is one of those characters like James Bond who can have a million adventures and never really needs a strong personal story arc and doesn't need to evolve much over his films.<br><br>I don't doubt Spielburg to direct a fun movie. I don't doubt that some writer can't come up with a good idea for an artefact for Indy to chase, an exotic local, and a dangerous foe after the same artefact for evil reasons. I don't doubt Shia LaBeouf, Cate Blanchette or the rest of this amazing supporting cast. What I doubt is HARRISON FORD. The guy just isn't charismatic anymore. When you see his little part in American Grafitti you sense his charisma and understand why he would get offered bigger roles. When you see him in Air Force One or Hollywood Homicide you can't believe this guy ever was a Hollywood superstar. Take actors likes Stallone or Sean Connery who, like Harrison Ford, have made endless bad movies over the last ten years. Even in a terrible movie like Judge Dredd you feel like you're looking at a movie star. Harrison Ford not so much. I never saw Firewall, but the trailer looked like a made for television movie. Harrison Ford now seems like he's only fit to play Hillary Duff's supportive dad in some movie where she dreams of becoming a dancer or something. He's lost his star quality. I would've rather a new younger actor taken over the role. I still love the Indy character and world. I just don't think Harrison Ford is the man to play him anymore.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    rbatty024,yes the greeks did, but....

    by Jake430

    my point was that the hebrew writers writing around 800 bc,knew the earth was round way before any greek was even theorizing about anything, and claimed that their info was from God. to the church accusations... as for your comment on the church's atrocities I am not making any excuses for the catholic church or (fundalmentalists today), I know you did not say this but, HItler was not a christian. (most people who throw this out there have not really done the research and only repeat some stupid assumption) Actually the truth about Hitler is in Raiders. He was very much into with the Occult. And actually just throughout the 20th century, Stalin alone killed more people than hitler and the entire hitsory of the church. now add to that Pol Pot, Chairman Mao, Milosovic, Ceausescu, and currently Kim Song Ill II, and the tolls are staggering. It's o.k. most of us have grwon up in our little USA box where nothing really happens to us and we don't have any grasp on how the world really works (or actually care). I could go on. do the research the number from the inquistion, crusades, heretic episodes, witchcraft and compare them to the numbers of the men I gave you earlier. The 20th century has been the bloddiest in history and it was not at the hands of any church. About Indy...We will have a shared experience of seeing Indy on the big screen for the first time!!!!! awesome!

  • July 16, 2007, 1:51 p.m. CST

    indy won't die

    by Automation Overlord

    that contradicts the young indiana jones tv show, and since GL has already taken out the stuff that he wanted to retcon (indy having a dughter, etc...) indy will survive the end of this one, and besides i remember reading somewhere that harrision was still contacted to do 2 more if he wanted to, but who knows i think that info was from the same guy who said it was called curse of the mummy's crown or whatever, so its probabaly not true

  • July 16, 2007, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Mosquito March.

    by superninja

    Thanks for clarifying your point. I disagree with you that they are equally valid, but I really don't want to get into that here.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Mattyboy, yes, but that's just the kind of thing I

    by superninja

    would expect Lucas & Speilberg to do. Midichlorians anyone? The ending to AI?

  • July 16, 2007, 2 p.m. CST

    earth as viewed in the O.T.

    by cyberskunk

    Wikipedia entry on flat earth is saying <p> Many theologians and biblical researchers maintain that writers of the Bible had a Babylonian world view according to which Earth is flat and stands on some sort of pillars. According to Dictionary of the Bible written by W. Browning "Hebrew cosmology pictured a flat earth, over which was a dome-shaped firmament, supported above the earth by mountains, and surrounded by waters. Holes or sluices (windows, Gen 7.11) allowed the water to fall as rain. The firmament was the heaven in which God set the sun (Ps 19.4) and the stars (Gen 1.14)"[1] Other theologians counter that the book of Isaiah alludes to the earth being circular (Isa 40.22).

  • July 16, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    So let's say Indy discovers aliens seeded earth

    by superninja

    and all of its technology (not exactly a new idea by any means). So what object will it be? The grey hidden from the Roswell crash? Will Indy travel around with him in the back seat while Shia makes sure his seatbelt is on?

  • July 16, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Flat Earther business attributed to the Bible is

    by superninja

    false. What is true is that the Bible is not a science manual. The Bible is about spiritual things and primarily about salvation. Science changes its ideas all of the time, so don't get on your high horse that it's some infalliable pursuit of truth, either.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST

    MOM, I agree the ending to AI is hateful.

    by superninja

    But that the Berg shot it in his typical happy ending style leads me to believe he probably thought it was happy.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    memories of murder...

    by Jake430

    The term four corners does not mean the earth has four corners, that is not what they are implying. it is just a term to describe the the whole world (as in far reaching) to use a word that imlies roundness, takes away from the majesty of what is being said. I would balme its misunderstanding on the opression of the catholic church. also could you provide me with specific citations as to your other claims (Pi=3, and so on) Where was it mentioned that Ford had signed for three movies?

  • July 16, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    who else thought...

    by Automation Overlord

    cyberskunk's post was gonna be about how earth was viewd in the Original Trilogy...show of hands?

  • July 16, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Werewolf Women of the SS!!!

    by ludmir88

    FUCK YEAH AGAIN!!!

  • July 16, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Memories of murder debunked part 1

    by Jake430

    http://www.purplemath.com/modules/bibleval.htm Back to Indy, do you guys think that ford would do two more movies? Could that be filmed at the same time ala LOTR? I know SS tries to say busy, would he do 2 movies at once?

  • July 16, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    It was euthanasia for robots.

    by superninja

    He should've just left it alone and ended it at the bottom of the ocean where it would've had meaning.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Wow wikipedia...way to go

    by Jake430

    I tend to belive that Hebrews had a Hebrew world view, especially the Prophets who hated Babylon. round earth: Job:26:7,26:10 Isa. 40:21-22, Prov.8:27 Luke 17:31 I include Job, because it is almost universially agreed that th estory of Job and his dialogue comes from the time of the Patriarchs, well before teh empire of Bablyon. Oh and Memories did some more hermaneutical research and the four corners means the four directions:North South East and West, the Bible uses this imagery just like we would say the sun rises and sets when in actuallity, the earth is the entity moving, not the sun.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    No they didn't. It was a metaphor.

    by superninja

    They used words and pictograms to describe real things, modern people interpret them as being literal. They were perhaps not as technologically advanced as we are, but there were not stupid. Human behavior has changed very little.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    MOM, I wish Kubrick would've done it because

    by superninja

    he would've been cold and hard and that is what the movie needed to bring its point home. They've been running Minority Report on cable and I rewatched it and couldn't help but think what a weak interpretation of the source material it was. It was turned into a chase movie and standard Hollywood fare.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST

    AI was like MR for me

    by Automation Overlord

    Both films should have ended on a sad note, AI at the bottom of the Ocean, Minority Report with Tom Cruise in that hybernation thing convicted of a crime he didn't commit. Some movies would just be much better if they ended on a down note, it would give more sypathy to the characters, plus it would be more realistic... sometimes life sticks you at the bottom the ocean and your fucked. fairy tale endings can be ok, but it takes away the surprise, i love when a movie takes a left turn and throws an unexpected ending at us, kinda like Pirates 3 did

  • July 16, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    AI was an uneven film but it was an interesting...

    by rbatty024

    experiment. Even if you didn't like AI (I enjoyed it for the most part), it's nice to see Spielberg experimenting, even if it's a failed experiment, rather than just remaining stagnant. Even Terminal, which I thought was pretty bad, was bad in an interesting way. When Spielberg fails he fails because he's at least trying something different.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Sorry guys...

    by Jake430

    this is not the palce to talk about these things. this is a site for movie lovers and I apologize for getting carried away. Just hope that you see that faithful people are not unreasonable, and belief in the Bible is not unreasonable. but should you want to talk about it more you can email at blue_destin_dog@yahoo.com again I am sorry if I detracted the Indy disscussion to much

  • July 16, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    The tone would've been different if Kubrick had done

    by superninja

    it. With the Berg it felt like he was tacking on a happy ending. If you are going to make a thoughtful movie, sometimes it has more impact when things end poorly.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    yeesh...I think I've hit Indy overload

    by finky089

  • July 16, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    IndiAbbeyJones

    by finky089

    Surely he told you there would be others? Musta slipped his mind. But there is. But there is. <p> Nope, me and Forestal aren't the same. I'm just Finky089...except when I'm not.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    baby steps to Indy tb's finky...

    by just pillow talk

    baby steps...

  • July 16, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    I don't disagree that people try to explain things

    by superninja

    based on gaps in their knowledge. We still do this today. We have limited knowledge about pre-history and the ancient world, for instance. <p>In regards to the Egyptian gods you are talking about a metaphysical belief compared to a belief about the "four corners of the world" which was observable. People hold all kinds of beliefs. Scientists have previously believed ridiculous ideas as well only to later recant. The Flat Earth idea along with the Copernican revolution dethroning the Earth as the center of the universe are exaggerations. That is not to say some people didn't believe these things but they are commonly taught as being widely believed.

  • July 16, 2007, 3:13 p.m. CST

    AI had some very beautiful moments, and I think maybe

    by superninja

    Kubrick shied away from the fairy tale aspect of it (if I had to guess) believing that would be more suited to Speilberg. The thing is Speilberg might copy Kubrick in places, but Speilberg is good at making a certain type of movie and his experiments are misfires because he still continues to make that type of movie only pretending to make another.

  • July 16, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    more science in the Old Testament

    by cyberskunk

    Chapter 30 from Genesis. <p> Jacob, however, got some fresh shoots of poplar, almond and plane trees, and he made white stripes in them by peeling off the bark down to the white core of the shoots. <p> The rods that he had thus peeled he then set upright in the watering troughs, so that they would be in front of the animals that drank from the troughs. When the animals were in heat as they came to drink, <p> the goats mated by the rods, and so they brought forth streaked, speckled and spotted kids.

  • July 16, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST

    memories-of-murder

    by cyberskunk

    I was being sarcastic.

  • July 16, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Cate Blanchet..........

    by bloodysam

    Has been cast as Marion Ravenwood's little sister.

  • July 16, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Fingerprints of the Gods

    by bloodysam

    contains the thesis that is the cornerstone of the Indy 4 script. Check it out.

  • July 16, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Palace of Jabba

    by Calihoma

    ...Indiana Jones and the Kessel Run

  • July 16, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Best director........

    by bloodysam

    Neither Kubrick or Welles would exist without John Ford.

  • July 16, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST

    RE: Fingerprints of the Gods

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    What's even more interesting is Graham Hancock's other book, "The Sign and the Seal" which is actually about the Ark of the Covenant. (FYI)

  • July 16, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    A.I. = textbook multiple false endings syndrome

    by Spandau Belly

    I think The Last Samurai or The Guardian might be two of the other worst offenders on this list of films that keep seeming to reach a logical conclusion and then keep going towards a second less logical conclusion and then keep going.<br><br>A.I. kinda had holes in the plot but it wouldn't have been so bad if it had at least not had that wacky space martian epilogue. That through me for a fucking loop. Holy shit.

  • July 16, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Flesh Fair

    by bloodysam

    Was also Kubrick's idea, not SS. He says as much on the TCM interview that aired last week.

  • July 16, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST

    is that true bloodysam?

    by Automation Overlord

    about cate blanchette being marions sister? i thought she was supposed to be a villian

  • July 16, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Blanchet

    by bloodysam

    i would not call my source reliable on that one. But the Fingerprints of the Gods connection is rock solid.

  • July 16, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Speilbrik

    by Tiki-421

    I love this debate! Kubric and Speilberg are both great. But some one has to take the heat for A.I.

  • July 16, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST

    MOM, yeah, you mentioned that before about

    by superninja

    Kubrick, what I meant was while it was his idea he was uncomfortable handling it and felt the Berg might do a better job.

  • July 16, 2007, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Flesh Fair II

    by bloodysam

    so let me get this right MOM. An idea is not an idea unless it is put into writing?

  • July 16, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST

    BEST INDY MOMENT

    by Frijole

    Temple of Doom... "We... are going... to DIE!" (and the accompanying facial expression). Bar none.

  • July 16, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    How badass was the old TEMPLE OF DOOM arcade game?!?!

    by Frijole

    "We walk from here!"

  • July 16, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    I'm not really sure why Kubrick thought the Berg

    by superninja

    was suited to the material. Berg should stick to action/adventure movies.

  • July 16, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    full circle

    by AllieJamison

    I once was hoping for Indy to die in this. I thought that his epic moment of dying a tragic and painfull death (Awwww, Ford is at his best when suffering...) would satisfy all of my sado-masochistic desires. I somehow have abandoned that idea, though. Because I'm not quite sure it actually fits into the Indy's tale. <br> <br> http://tinyurl.com/2orukj <br> I think this kinda belongs in here, as it is a reaction to a reaction to this very article. While I think it's important to remind all the "masters of the web" of their responsibility I think Awalt is just going too far with this. And you feel that there's something wrong with his attitude. Wrong, meaning, that his posts' subtexts communicate far more than the defense of an artist's creation. Aaaahh...I just love these moments when a certain part of the internet is starting to resemble a village in its social dynamics...

  • July 16, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Kubrick movies are interesting there is always some

    by superninja

    sort of disconnect in them like you are a detached observer. Usually that would be a negative but he turns it into a positive. I can't say I actually care about his characters, but I do want to find out what happens to them.

  • July 16, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    I like Empire of the Sun. But I think Speilberg's

    by superninja

    best films remain Raiders of the Ark and Jaws. :)

  • July 16, 2007, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Kubrick examining human behavior under

    by superninja

    a microscope. It is detached. But I like it, it makes you think. His films are cerebral and well thought out. I really like Eyes Wide Shut. Barry Lyndon is one of his warmer films and not my favorite. :)

  • July 16, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Hook is terrible

    by Mattyboy122

    But what makes Hook so bad is that you know it could have been really great. It just fucks it all up magnificently. But the film is entertaining because you can laugh at how bad it is. The Lost World, however, is just awful. Easily Spielberg's worst movie. When it isn't boring beyond belief it does offer a few comic gems (like the black girl kicking a raptor's ass...with gymnastics), but for the most part the film is just plain dull. Truly, truly awful. As for best directors of all time? If Coppola stopped making movies after Apocalypse Now he'd be hard to argue. I would have to say Welles, who unfortunately was rarely able to unleash his full potential due to studio interference and financial troubles.

  • July 16, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Empire of the Sun

    by Mattyboy122

    Is amazing. I personally prefer Saving Private Ryan to Schindler's List, mainly because I think Schindler's List completely collapses in the last 10 mins and crawls to the end credits. Barry Lyndon is great, but I think my favorite Kubrick films are Paths of Glory and Dr. Strangelove.

  • July 16, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    I think that if Spielberg just made popcorn flicks...

    by rbatty024

    everyone would accuse him of doing the same thing over and over. Now that he's been experimenting people say he should go back to make popcorn flicks. He might not have a perfect record but I think he has an impressive and diverse range of films. Catch Me If You Can is also underrated.

  • July 16, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah

    by Mattyboy122

    You can definitely see the roots of SPR in Strangelove when Ripper's base is being raided. Looked almost like it was from a newsreel, it appeared so genuine. Chimes at Midnight I unfortunately haven't seen, as it's pretty darned hard to find on DVD, sadly. But I know that film's battle sequences would influence the criminally underrated Henry V (by Branagh) and, of course, Braveheart.

  • July 16, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Screw all this Indy talk.

    by mrfan

    I am still waiting for a 1942, the follow up to 1941. Now, that is a SS movie classic. :)<p>Seriously, I cannot wait for this movie. May 2008 is going to be a long wait.

  • July 16, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Catch Me If You Can

    by Mattyboy122

    Is fan-fucking-tastic. God, what a movie. I also loved Minority Report (except the ending is way too much of a forced, warmy and fuzzy affair, but up until then I thought it was a great flick). I don't think Spielberg's quality of output has changed so much as his sensibilities have changed. He's much more willing to experiment these days, which I think is a good thing. I frankly wish he wouldn't waste time on another Indiana Jones flick and give us Interstellar, Lincoln, and the other projects he's got lined up.

  • July 16, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Looking forward to Lincoln

    by mrfan

    Excited about that.

  • July 16, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Cold, Detatched, Kubrick???

    by bloodysam

    MOM is dead on for countering this notion. I would, however, offer as exhibit #1 DR. STRANGELOVE. Not detatched and never cold.

  • July 16, 2007, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Yes, superninja

    by Charles Martel

    Aliens are nutburger. They are lunatic, and mindless. And, as I stated before, whether or not you believe in the spiritual/supernatural aspects of the previous objects that the other Indy movies centered around, they had a human/cultural aspect that aliens just don't. That is why aliens as an aspect is an incredibly stupid idea.<p>You can deride religion all you want, but you are simply firing blanks. That isn't the point - the veracity of those beliefs has nothing to do with impact we can feel regarding the mythology/belief surrounding those objects. The immediacy of the human connection those particular objects have keeps the storylines firmly grounded in human experience. Even if you view those objects as simple human projection, they are still locked, solidly, within the confines of human history. The use of aliens just catapaults you into X-Files territory.<p>If you're going to do that in a movie, fine. Just NOT Indy. Too much of a break with the rest of the films.

  • July 16, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST

    superninja - I didn't 'clarify' anything.

    by Mosquito March

    I didn't need to. The point was already clearly made in the original post - you just didn't read it thoroughly. You just missed it, maybe because you're so upset about alien content in INDY 4 that that was all you saw in the post, OR because I said the Bible was 'horseshit' and no more real than von Danikken, OR because you spread yourself way too thin in these talkbacks by posting a hundred posts about a hundred things. In any case, you didn't get a point that was clearly made. Slow down, man. Take it all in, THEN post.

  • July 16, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    The Speilberg that did Raiders and Jaws does still

    by superninja

    exist he just doesn't want to be that guy. Too bad, you should stick to your strengths. Hahah.

  • July 16, 2007, 6:37 p.m. CST

    the spoiler discourse

    by AllieJamison

    goes on: http://tinyurl.com/35a4kg

  • July 16, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    UFOs etc,.,.

    by voxmortis

    The beauty of my INDY Tesla storyline is that UFOs and faux aliens CAN appear in the film without any sci-fi element... these UFOs were built by ex-Nazi scientists perfecting the work they were developed before we whipped their butts in WW2. Aliens have not visited earth, but the CIA/FBI want us to believe they have to cover up their experiments...

  • July 16, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST

    John Hurts Age!

    by rebelpigs

    I know he looks like he's had a 'hard paper round' and played old guys before but the poor bastards only 2 years older than Harrison. I don't think he's playing Ravenwood, that would just be a little too contrived. I have a feeling he's playing a villain or Broadbent is, Think V for Hurt and Hot fuzz for Broadbent

  • July 16, 2007, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Mosquito March

    by superninja

    What is your problem? Are you annoyed that no one wanted to take you up on your "challenge"?

  • July 16, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Charles Martel, Mosquito March. Mosquito March,

    by superninja

    Charles Martel. You guys have a lot to discuss!

  • July 16, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    The Prophet BSB has returned, Praise Be 2 Me

    by BringingSexyBack

    The Prophet has enjoyed a lovely dinner and will now read your posts of wisdom.

  • July 16, 2007, 7:37 p.m. CST

    The Prophet Brings Word From God

    by BringingSexyBack

    God has enjoyed many of Steven Spielberg's films. George Lucas, not so much.

  • July 16, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    I don't mean detached like a bad thing, what I am

    by superninja

    trying to get at is his perspective, which I feel is unique. Like a storyteller that is outside the story guiding you through it for a purpose, the characters are unaware he is there.

  • July 16, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Kubrick was

    by Octaveaeon

    the best thing that ever happened to cinema. Because there is so much that can be said about him and his movies, I will say no more.

  • July 16, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Charles Martel and others, RE: aliens

    by Mosquito March

    Let's talk about the legitimacy of aleins. Spielberg obviously wasn't the first guy to talk about aliens, but he bears a large chunk of responsibility for all the alien-worshipping going on around us, right now. CLOSE ENCOUNTERS made alien abduction a romantic, attractive thing to a LOT of people. A LOT of people believe that aliens are here, have been here, or will come here, and I defy you to convince any one of them that what they believe is "incredibly stupid". It's as real to them as Christ is to Christians, or Buddha is to Buddhists. For better or worse, aliens have become a part of the "human experience" you're talking about. To many people THEY are the "makers" of the human race, and in the grand scheme of things, they have as much right to think that as anybody else does about anything else. And, it's pervaded our culture indellibly. I'd wager that if you polled moviegoers in 1981 about RAIDERS before seeing it, more people would have recognized the term "UFO" or "flying saucer" than "Ark of the Covenant", so I have to question the idea that there is an "immediacy of connection" to the object at the center of RAIDERS that aliens don't have. In fact, I've known people through the years who have sheepishly admitted that they went to the theater and expected to see -- a fucking BOAT! And these were people who go to church on Sunday! Now, is the faith that these alien believers have silly? In my personal opinion, yes. I knew a guy who believed he was abducted by aliens, and he was out of his rat-fucking mind. He was no different than the Christian minister I once met who told me he believed that God came into his kitchen and turned all of his cigarettes into bottles of orange juice to help him quit smoking, even though he said hated drinking fucking orange juice. But, they will both go to their graves believing, no matter what anyone says. BUT, a lot of very smart, very sane scientists have explained why we can ASSUME that life of some kind exists elsewhere in the universe. We would likely never encounter it. But the building blocks are there - possibly even in our own Solar System - and in the infinity of time and space, it's possible, and maybe even probable, that there's an organism of some kind, eating and shitting breeding, just like creatures on Earth. As a result, the alien crazies have an extremely frail, but at least mathematically sound, leg to stand on. Whereas the Bible was cobbled together by a bunch of people with political and social agendas who left out a vast amount of written material from the period because it didn't match up with the magical fairytale of the divine Jesus and the Heaven that all good peasants would go to after spending their short, miserable lives serving the very fuckers who edited the book. In my own opinion, people who believe aliens are here, and people who believe the Bible is true, are equally deluded and/or insane. Mind-sickness is mind-sickness, no matter who comes up with it or practices it. But, we're talking about INDY, here, so let me get back on track. If there is one thing I could ask George Lucas about, one question about any of his films, or his reasons for making them, I would ask him this: Does he believe in God, and did he choose to use items like the Ark of the Covenant or the Holy Grail because he's a Christian and was moved to use them because of what they represent to him? Or, did he pick 'em out because these items, as written about for centuries, were cinematically cool? I would think it would have to be the latter. Because, why in the hell would he stick some Hindu stones that nobody had ever heard of in the middle of the trilogy? Where do the Sankara Stones fit into the "human experience" of the average moviegoer? Taken as a whole, the Indy Trilogy would imply that there are many Gods out in the world imbuing artifacts with magical powers, and they never really stop to ruminate on religious issues. I will agree, once again, that they are on extremely shaky ground with the alien thing, because, they have never before alluded to such things in these movies. I sure as hell don't want to see a creature of any kind; I would much prefer they go the 2001 route and show what they built without showing them. BUT, the movies these guys have created are really not about creating a cohesive theological tapestry - they're really about an archaeologist digging up amazing, powerful, ancient shit before a bunch of scumbags can get to them and use them to take over the world. The Indy movies are not intended to be serious stories, or historically or socially accurate in any way. And, the more I think about it (and sit here writing about it), the more I don't really give a DAMN anymore where the amazing ancient artifact comes from, because the whole thing has always been Swiss cheese anyway. The Ark is bullshit (so's the other Ark). The Grail is bullshit. Atlantis would be bullshit. The Golden Fleece, the Spear of Destiny - anything Indy goes after would be mystical, unrealistic bullshit, loosely based on some stories people wrote thousands of years ago. They're just excuses for Indy to go out and get into adventures. All it's ever really been about is the journey. Hell, Marv Wolfman pointed out that from a story perspective, Indy isn't even integral to the search for the Ark; the Nazis would have taken possession of the Ark, and God would have killed them, even if Indy didn't come out to play. In his estimation, Indy is ONLY about the journey - only about the character and the ride he takes you on. At this point, I just want them to tell me a good fucking story. I want them to show me the fun I used to have. I want to see Indy get his ass kicked, and keep getting up, and keep fighting the good fight, and ultimately survive to go on another adventure. If they make a good story out of the ancient astronauts angle, fuck it - I'll be happy. I am rambling my ass off, now, so I'm done. Just don't get hung up on the source of the artifact. It was never important anyway. And, if the movie blows, rip them to shit because they didn't make a fun movie, not because it didn't fit with the Ark and the Grail. TEMPLE OF DOOM got there first, and for whatever flaws it has, it's still FUN.

  • July 16, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Sounds like "The Mummy 3"

    by Malakai

    I was reading about The Mummy 3 in which Jet Li is supposed to play Emperor Han. Seeing as how the O'Connell family is into pyramids, maybe that's what all this is about?

  • July 16, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    superninja - Just admit that you don't read...

    by Mosquito March

    ...everything that you respond to when your blood's up. Or, can you admit to admitting you don't always process what you read before disagreeing with people? Because, at this point, it looks like you just can't. And, for a guy who seems to spend his life on these boards - it's quite rare to see a talkback where there aren't at least a dozen "superninja" posts - I'd figure you'd at least try. I've had no quarrel with you in the past. I agree with half the shit you write. But, don't call me out on crap that you just didn't take the time to comprehend.

  • July 16, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    I never said that

    by fran is a cunt

    i didn't

  • July 16, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the 1,000 Foot White Pyramid of Xian

    by freak2thec0re

    i believe it

  • July 16, 2007, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Mosquito March.

    by superninja

    I did read what you wrote. The fact that you thought it didn't fit but then took the time to attempt to take people to task for critiquing the alien idea when to you it's the same thing as the Bible seemed to be your real point. Was I incorrect? All I said in reply was that regardless of your personal beliefs, what people were arguing was the theme of the franchise is not sci-fi.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Anyway, I am not trying to simply argue with

    by superninja

    you about what you wrote.

  • July 17, 2007, 12:05 a.m. CST

    The Lost finale SPOILER debacle was embarrassing

    by reflecto

    It was pathetic watching the mods shut down a thread full of legitimate SPOILERS in a tantrum. I have lurked here for many, many years and the site is not what it was when you do shit like that. You either live up to what the site was made for, spoilers and scoops, and let people decide for themselves as individuals on what to read - I know I will not be reading EVERYTHING on Indy 4 - or you rename the fucking site. But stop this nanny God complex. The Lost mess should've taught you that.

  • July 17, 2007, 12:14 a.m. CST

    I just can't wait for the outragous sound effects!

    by BendersShinyAss

    Those punches that sound so explosive. the gun shots that kinda sound mixed with the punching sound. the horible deaths where all you see is epileptic fit shadows or quick splats of blood. Seriously, can't fucking wait!

  • July 17, 2007, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Thank God Indy is back!

    by Gibson The Gibbon

    I salute him!: http://tinyurl.com/25d6ck

  • July 17, 2007, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Indy can't die

    by Doc_Strange

    Because we see him as a really old bag in the young Indiana Jones Adventures. Yeah, it's canon as well so no argument there about Indy's death.

  • July 17, 2007, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Wasn't talking to you, Belly

    by Lost Prophet

    I just want the whole debate to go away now (see ganymede's post for what I was referring to- It's even worse than the SR rantings)

  • July 17, 2007, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Spielberg's best films

    by Lost Prophet

    I sort of agree with most things said about this, but would actually argue that Hook marks a watershed, everything after Hook is worse than that before. Even Schindler's list which is generally a fine film falls apart at the end (from Liam Neeson's horrible wailing onwards), Saving Private Ryan had probably the most spectacular battle sequence tacked on to some of the most tedious human drama, and AI was simply horrible (too many cooks and all that) I also can't bear The Lost World, The Terminal or Catch me If you can. <p>What I think I mean, although I'm not being very clear this morning, is that I generally love the pre- Hook stuff without reservation, and when I like the post hook films it's always qualified. So IMO the earlier films are not only more enjoyable but "better" as they don't (just for me) need a qualification for approval.

  • July 17, 2007, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Indy Grandad?

    by nobbykenobi

    Is it just me or is Indy too old to have a son at the age of Shea, late teens/early twenties. There were rumours that Kate Blanchet was due to play Indy's daughter, so maybe she's the offspring of Indy and Marian, with Shea playing Indy's grandson. It would make more sense and would mean Indy and Marian might not have met after the events of Raiders, with the reunion happening at the funeral of Henry Jones Snr, possibly???

  • July 17, 2007, 7:07 a.m. CST

    nah, Indy's not too old...

    by just pillow talk

    Shortly after Last Crusade, Connery bit the dust...Marian did some consoling to Indy...out popped baby Shia 9 months later. Indy just wanted the one night stand, Marian sucked it up and looked after baby Shia, never telling Indy about their fruits of labor.

  • July 17, 2007, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Aaah, pillows, they didn't have viagra back then

    by Lost Prophet

    I hope he didn't hurt his back.

  • July 17, 2007, 7:23 a.m. CST

    John hurt

    by Automation Overlord

    On the whole John Hurt speculation, if he is playing abner ravenwood then he should be in his 90's. So the way i see it there is 3 possibilities for hurts role in indy 4 (A) they will use make up to age john hurt into his late 80's/early 90's, (B)he's not playing abner ravenwod, but some other character, or (c) abner found some kind of way to remain young, perhaps the fountain of youth (could explain why he went into hiding)

  • July 17, 2007, 7:33 a.m. CST

    I suppose that explains the limp whip

    by just pillow talk

    But he was 40-something in Crusade, right? He still could have left some little Indies running around in Marian's funhouse.

  • July 17, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST

    true, but he has been on the receiving end of many a

    by Lost Prophet

    blow to the knackers, so I guess his little swimmers aren't going to be doing huge amounts of, erm, swimming.

  • July 17, 2007, 7:50 a.m. CST

    well, at least shia is the same race as indy

    by Automation Overlord

    Remember in Lost World when Speilberg gave Jeff Golblum a black daughter and you were like "WTF is that about?" It was very distracting,and took you out of the movie, cause besides the one joke, they never adressed it. Was she adopted, was her mother black, is jeff goldblum a really light black guy? anybody know?

  • July 17, 2007, 7:58 a.m. CST

    no, the distraction from Lost World

    by just pillow talk

    was the shitty movie itself. I found it more annoying of her doing her gymnastic move in the tree if I remember correctly. GYMKATA!

  • July 17, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST

    leave lost world alone

    by BendersShinyAss

    Have you ever seen jurassic park 3? argument closed. Speilberg works best under George Lucas - we all know this to be true!

  • July 17, 2007, 8:08 a.m. CST

    The worst thing about The Lost World

    by Lost Prophet

    was easily the fact that a skinny kid can use gymnastics to kick a dinosaur through a wall or window or whatever the fuck it was. <p> I felt violated by that film

  • July 17, 2007, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Hang on a second bender

    by Lost Prophet

    You are a stubborn bugger, prepared to cling to your beliefs regardless of opposition, but in this case your wrong. <p>Just because there is a truly awful part 3 doesn't mean that part 2 wasn't crap.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Jurassic 3

    by BendersShinyAss

    Come on, walking out of that theater all I was thinking was how great the second one actually was. <p> You're right though, it doesn't make the gymnastics scene any easier. But lets face it, have you seen the first JP lately? It had 2 scenes that are worth watching and THAT'S it. I think JP2 might have 3 scenes worth watching? <p> Btw I thought HOOK was and is fucking GREAT!!

  • July 17, 2007, 8:26 a.m. CST

    JP3 was more enjoyable then Lost world

    by Automation Overlord

    yeah jurrassic park 3 has little to no story, and its only about 90 mins, but honestly i enjoy it alot more then i did the lost world, LW tried to hard and the ending is so lame, the dinos should stay on the island, not have them running around san diego, and out of all the characters from the first mnovie why did they bring back golblum, eveybody wanted to see sam neil again, and thats where the third one delivers, we get to see grant and elle, i'm justs aying i rankl 3 infront of Lw when ranking the JP film...hopefully number four will be amazing, whenever they get around to making it

  • July 17, 2007, 8:27 a.m. CST

    I think the first JP is overrated, the 2nd atrocious

    by Lost Prophet

    and the 3rd unforgivable. <p>Hook, however, is just FUCKING WRETCHED. I was a kid when I saw it and thought it was shit. I watched it pissed a few weekends ago and unlike wine it had not got better with age and was in fact, still shit.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:27 a.m. CST

    how did you know she was a nazi?

    by BendersShinyAss

    She has a spikey top lip

  • July 17, 2007, 8:28 a.m. CST

    OHMIGOD!

    by Lost Prophet

    completely forgot about the stupid Dino in San Diego shit... EEURGH something else I hate about it.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    JP 4

    by BendersShinyAss

    You mean the genetically engineered robo dino's that have the ability to talk? <p> I think King Kong may have wiped any plans for JP4 off the map - another film with only 2 good scenes

  • July 17, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST

    You've done it now zbobroberts

    by BendersShinyAss

    I agree, rocketeer is great, even for a jow johnston film. But prepare for the hatred. <p> Hook was just a great film and pure spielberg goodness. Great score. interesting take on the characters and story... watched it recently and marvelled at how much i loved the look of it and how much I forgive it's cartoonish look

  • July 17, 2007, 8:38 a.m. CST

    i think they are still making a JP4

    by Automation Overlord

    i think they still plan to make a fourth Jurassic park, i remember reading a quote from Steven saying the script was finished and it was the best one since the first movie. we probabaly won't see it untill 2010, maybe 2009 if they start soon, but i'm sure there will be a fourth one, universal would be dumb not to make it, its like printing your own money

  • July 17, 2007, 8:44 a.m. CST

    ganymede3010

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    OK, wait. Michael Bay is still your "favorite director" yet you got banned cause you hate his forum moderator, Nelson? So, you then thought the best thing to do would be to troll Murphy's board? HA HA!<P>Fuck me, eh? No. Fuck you, you monstrously silly asshole.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST

    hook is a kids movie

    by Automation Overlord

    i was 11 i guess when i saw it and i remember thinking how cool and amazing it was, i have however seen it since and while it still holds a place in my heart, i've come to realize its not a great film. but i'm sure as hell gonna make sure that if i have kids, Hook is one of the movies they have to see growing up

  • July 17, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    I'm sorry guys you can go on as much as you like about

    by Lost Prophet

    the flaming turd that is hook and you will never convince me.

  • July 17, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    who knows...

    by Automation Overlord

    maybe if indy 4 is a success speilberg will go back to his other movies and stick shai labeouf in has the long lost son, imagine peter pan finding out he had a son with Hook in Hook 2: the hookening , or how about shai returns as a jew that everone thought had been killed in the holocaust but it turned out he was only partly dead and he comes back to seek revenge on ralph fiennes kids, in Schindlers List 2: half baked

  • July 17, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST

    wow, this TB died a sudden death...

    by Automation Overlord

    i guess people are interested more in conan getting the tonight show then they are in discussing indy...who knew?

  • July 17, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet

    by superninja

    Yeah, I agree with you. Now, none of those are bad films, if fact compared to most films, they are way above the rest, but are they up to par with Speilbergs other films? I would argue no.

  • July 17, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    I'm kind of glad for spoilage, because most of these

    by superninja

    filmsare so now awful and template it's kind of like throwing you a line so you don't have to plummet to the next new low.

  • July 17, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    INDIANA JONES AND THE VIOLATION OF MARION'S ARSP

    by Stuntcock Mike

    David Lee Roth as Short Round

  • July 17, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    I'd like to see some concrete spoilers concerning

    by Mattyboy122

    Shia as Indy's son or the involvement of aliens in the same use as in Chariots of the Gods. Mainly because if either of those two things are in this movie, I'll be damned if I spend my hard-earned cash on watching the (unnecessary) rape of the franchise.

  • July 17, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    i want spoilers!

    by Automation Overlord

    Hell even if they are fake like all that Jett business a few weeks ago, its still gives us something to talk about while we wait for the movie to hit

  • July 17, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST

    How did you know she was a Nazi

    by BringingSexyBack

    Because she has the support of Neturei Karta.<p>(That one's for Gaius)

  • July 17, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    I saw this movie...

    by strosmer

    I caught an advanced screening of Indy 4 and man, was it a dumb fucking movie!

  • July 17, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    <P>

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    PFFFTTT.

  • July 17, 2007, 4:04 p.m. CST

    schmoilerspoiler

    by AllieJamison

    I think the understanding of what actually spoils a film really differs. Some, in a moment of easy sentimental Spielbergian quasi-decency mean to demonize every word that is loosely written down about the film without official back up, in a mission to protect the world's intellectual ressources from fan greed. To underline how decent and good they actually are those people depict as Spoilers what basically will be seen in the trailer. <br> Then there are those declaring Spoilers the only reason AICN or chud exist. And some shaded, torn opinions in the middle. I hope those in the middle are the majority. I guess in the end I will and have to trust the gatekeepers' responsibility to keep major "intellectual property" to themselves and only spoil minor...stuff.....(that doesn't even spoil anything?)...Uuhhh.....: <br> "It's a leap of faith...uhhhh..."

  • July 17, 2007, 7:53 p.m. CST

    spoilers...

    by LarryTheCableGuy

    give me the title and what theyre going after as soon as you know thats all i needs to know

  • July 17, 2007, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Best thing about Hook? RUFI-OOOOOOHHHHH!!!!

    by Doc_Strange

    Hoffman's performance was legendary as Hook but the movie all around them wasn't that great.

  • July 18, 2007, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Cheers Superninja

    by Lost Prophet

    I feel all validated and warm and fuzzy inside

  • July 19, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    haven't back here in awhile...

    by Automation Overlord

    i left but now i'm back again...so any new developemnts in the whole indy 4 production?

  • July 20, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST

    damn...

    by Automation Overlord

    now where are we gonna get our inside scoops from

  • July 25, 2007, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the... what now? Elshimers

    by Kampbell-Kid

    Indiana Jones and the Leaked Script of Supershadow

  • July 26, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    we should get some info this weekend

    by Automation Overlord

    dude to comicon, iti'll probabaly be nothing more then something some one says, and it'll just be a little bit of info like when the teaser will hit, but at least it will still be some indy 4 info, we haven't had any in a few weeks..hell who knows maybe they will reveal jett's title as the real one

  • Aug. 23, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    alas, they proceeded with this movie...

    by just pillow talk

    and I had such hopes...

  • Aug. 24, 2010, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Well, ther is Indy 5

    by orcus

    IJ and the Fountain of Youth

  • April 26, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST

    THE POWERS THAT BE MADE IT

    by bob_uzumaki

    AND SUCKED BALLS IT DID.