July 10, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST
by The Pusher
July 10, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST
Let's here some news on the Swim Fan Prequel instead.
July 10, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST
by The Pusher
I may be showing my ineptitude for Star Trek here, but why do we need a reboot? Can't they do a Deep Space Nine movie? Or Hell, even a Voyager movie? I just don't see Star Trek really needing to be started over. Let it be.
July 10, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST
Don't Vulcans live the longest? Perhaps it is Spock getting ready to die and he's dictating a story to a historian or something. .
July 10, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST
if Nimoy is involved. He has passed on quick paydays in the past because the story wasn't good enough. Not that continuity is the beginning and end of Trek, but if Shatner isn't in the movie it would fit the current timeline. Shatner, looking older than he did in Generations, couldn't have some kind of flashback conversation with Spock.
July 10, 2007, 9:42 a.m. CST
by Jakes Nel
Besides, I can't look at Shatner these days without shouting Denny Crane!
July 10, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST
Forget Star Trek, stick to paintball, performing with your band and do another reality show in Iowa. Shatner and Nimoy ARE Star Trek.
July 10, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST
... on that planet Picard left him on, and remembers back to Kirk's very first mission as Captain of the Enterprise after taking over for Christopher Pike. Come on... this movie, and the framestory it's wrapped around writes itself. As long as we get Sylar as Spock, Damon as Kirk, and Senise as Bones, then I'm happier than a Klingon in gagh.
July 10, 2007, 9:51 a.m. CST
by Anna Valerious
...one of the clones from the Nimoys Ahoy circus? Okay, okay, I watch too much "Robot Chicken". :P
July 10, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST
Having Nimoy in this movie will give it a connection to the movies with the original cast. Since the cast was already middle-aged when the movies were made it makes some sense to connect them. This is a show that is strongly connected to the original actors who played the characters and to ignore that would be a dumb move.
July 10, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST
Shatner and Nimoy reprising their roles. I too agree we need to start fresh. I didn't understand the intense hatred for Damon as Kirk. I think it's superb casting. He's a bankable star, and as we've seen from the Bourne films, he can carry a movie as a lead. He's also a good actor. Check out The Talented Mr. Ripley.
July 10, 2007, 10 a.m. CST
by Jakes Nel
As a franchise, it's pretty much dead and it's not difficult to see why. So forget all the old continuity. Forget Deep Space Nine and Voyager. Reboot, JJ! Reboot your geeky heart out!
July 10, 2007, 10:03 a.m. CST
In response to The Pusher, they couldn't really pull off a DS9 movie because there's way too much backstory required. At the end of the series (((SPOILER))) the main character has departed this plane of existence to go live with the Bajoran Prophets in the wormhole... just explaining that one sentence would take a good half-hour, never mind actually bringing him back into the plot. As for Voyager, the whole point of the show (assuming we can agree there was one) was that they were stuck way out in the Delta Quadrant, and (((SPOILER))) they returned home in the final episode. So it would just be another starship tooling around like any other, with no real reason to base a movie franchise on it.
July 10, 2007, 10:11 a.m. CST
I see it now. Nimoy narrates (and Brody plays "Young Spock")...we get a wipe to "Young Spock" on his 1st day at the Academy: "I know what you're thinking...a Vulcan plastic surgeon repaired my nose before my first mission with Captain Pike..."
July 10, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST
...is a game for the young. Kirk himself said it best. I love the original series and I hate to see Nimoy and Shatner go, but there comes a point where they just look too damn old to be believable as action heroes. As long as JJ doesn't try to revamp the essence of who Kirk and Spock are, I think a reboot is the right way to go. Think Damon wil talk in Kirk-speak?
July 10, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST
William Shatner talks about the latest Star Trek INFO! http://www.livevideo.com/shatnervision
July 10, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST
It seems unlikely with his schedule that he could fit in Trek...and it doesn't really fit his screen persona imo. I think he just attached himself to Paul Greengrass' new movie (Imperial Life in the Emerald City).
July 10, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST
by uss cygnus
Sisko returns from his time with the Prophets in the wormhole...and the Dominion and Breen aren't done yet...just like the inter-war years of WWI & WWII....you've got a GREAT film in the works...
July 10, 2007, 10:22 a.m. CST
It needs an original series that doesn't suck unholy amounts of ass. Period.
July 10, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
Are you calling The Shat a Has Been?
July 10, 2007, 10:28 a.m. CST
We're talking 5 minute cameo here.
July 10, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST
and really im not excited about a reboot, if enterprise showed us anything, it was to go forwards instead of backwards. <p> paramount / viacom those sons of biatches couldn't let their cash cow rest for a while. those money grabing bastards are going to completely squeze the life out of the franchise </p>
July 10, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST
I'm personally really excited about this one, I thought MI:3 was the best of that series, and i love the idea of a movie version of TOS, with *slightly* updated set and costume designs, better lighting and much better effects, but still those colors... keep it OG. And Sinise is too old to play bones now, I know he was supposed to be older than everyone anyways, but c'mon...
July 10, 2007, 10:43 a.m. CST
if you use the a=1, b=2,c=3 etc etc formula, star trek reads as 19201182018511. Take away 011808, you're left with 19221511. This is an instruction. On 19:22 on 15th November Will Shatner is going to get his his big star trek cock out in Time Square. This will cause devastating repurcussions, one of which will be the Statue of Liberty's head falling off out of pure shock, while JJ Abrams laughs at everyone while getting head from Nimoy, tugging on his pointy ears. YOU MARK MY WORDS, IT WILL HAPPEN
July 10, 2007, 10:43 a.m. CST
Matt Damon as Kirk. Zachary Quinto as Spock. Gary Sinise as McCoy. James McAvoy as Scotty.
July 10, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST
My personal feeling is that they should either put them both in there, or neither of them. I don't see how having just Spock in there will work. Yes, I know Kirk is dead. However, I have no problem with that particular decision being ret-conned. However, please bear in mind that Shatner might be having us on. I seem to recall that both Shatner and Nimoy actually have final say on casting (due to some well-written contracts produced in the late 80s), so I can't see Shatner allowing this to go forward without having some involvement.
July 10, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST
by Boba Fat
As muck as I'd like to see it, yeah right.
July 10, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST
by Yotz Von Frelnik
This is one of those things that looks awkward on paper, but when you see it "in motion" it will make so much more sense. I'm thinking he's used as a narrative bookend to the story. But anyway, hey guys, it's JJ Abrams, and he always writes a great "opening chapter" to things. I'm not worried.
July 10, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST
Let me try to explain something to you. Gary Sinise is 52. Far too old to play an Academy era Bones. He looks like a young Kelley, sure - but he's *way* too old for the part. Matt Damon is 37. Kirk was 35 when he became captain of the Enterprise, so even Damon is too old to play an Academy era Kirk. Adrian Brody is the only name mentioned who is the right age. I agree that Damon is a good choice for Kirk, and if this were, say, 7 years ago I think he'd be perfect. But if we're talking about a pre-TOS Kirk, he's just too old now. Please, when you're talking about ideal casting, come up with some names that are plausible.
July 10, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST
"paramount / viacom those sons of biatches couldn't let their cash cow rest for a while. those money grabing bastards are going to completely squeze the life out of the franchise". Don't be a tool. Do you have any shares? Want them to go up do you? Pay you a nice dividend? Then don't have a go at Paramount for wanting to make money. That's what they're there for, that's what their shareholders demand, and that's what they are in the business of doing. If you think a business shouldn't care about making money from it's assets it goes a long way towards indicating your probable career path.
July 10, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST
Vulcan neck pinch got nuthin on some good ol fashioned brain slicing
July 10, 2007, 11:11 a.m. CST
If JJ is doing a reboot, to have Nimoy as Spock would be weird, even in a flash back. It would make more sense to see him maybe as Spock's father. And fuck the academy, a cool opening to the movie would be the crew assembling on the first day of their 5 year mission. How cool would it be to see Kirk begin his first command on the USS Enterprise. Sarek (Nimoy) could show up as the Vulcan amabasssador, coming to see his son off and offer some logical words of Vulcan wisdom. Sarek and Spock give each other the ol' Live Long and Prosper and the audience goes fucking bananas.
July 10, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST
They should have Spock wander out of the desert as an old man to begin the narration, just like in Young Guns II. Then Jon Bon Jovi could re-record the theme, 80's rock-screaming "Space. The final Frontier...."
July 10, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST
by Avon Barksdale
I've got him working the package down in the Towers.
July 10, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST
maybe he will have an old Spock pass away after he has thought about/told the tale of his early days. It makes sense not to have Kirk in it because he is dead. I think having Spock in the 24th century paying his respects at Kirks grave on Veridian 3 is a good idea. But I'd rather they leave Nimoy and Shatner out. Nimoy left on a high in Star Trek VI and Shatner left in a very average way in Generations, but they both said there final goodbyes. Lets just start fresh and go from there.
July 10, 2007, 11:22 a.m. CST
"Hail those muthufuckas". Andy Garcia as Spock. Rufus Sewell as Bones. And Jessica Biel as Uhura. That's a film I'd watch for various reasons.
July 10, 2007, 11:22 a.m. CST
But then after the ass raping that Orci and Kurtzman gave the Transformers in TINO it's no surprise to hear they're not being respectful to another franchise. Besides, ever since Abrams said he'd prefer the hardcore Trekkies not see this film I've had a bad feeling about where he's going (namely in an action filled special effects direction where characters and story aren't important).
July 10, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST
F them in their A's. Star Trek doesn't need a reboot. Can't it just go away? Things used to be good, and then they were done. Why can't Star Trek be that? Why do they insist on making more and more and more? You want reboots? Star Trek has had more than my shitty computer. Every incarnation since the first five year mission has been some sort of reboot. Give it a rest. This goes way beyond beating a dead horse. This is beating a dead horse, bringing it back to life, and killing it again, just to beat it some more.
July 10, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST
Only Conan. Jay Leno needs to die now.
July 10, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST
by Yack Backer
Seriously, is ANYONE attached to GENERATIONS? I didn't think so-- I'd ignore the whole damned thing and bring Kirk and Spock together once more.
July 10, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST
as "muck" as I hate to admit it, merrick is the worst member of aicn
July 10, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST
I thought it was Conan. Still, Leno needs to die.
July 10, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST
One of the main criteria for the casting of Kirk has to be the ability to deliver a convincing drop-kick. When it comes to dream casting, let's start with the basic requirements, shall we?
July 10, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST
If only because it had the worst death of a character ever. Having him slip and fall in a bathtub would have had more emotional impact.
July 10, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST
There are NOTHING stale about the chemistry between Kirk, Spock, and Bones. This bond was so strong that it was even the bright spot to the mess that was ST:IV. Indeed it is the Next Generation that badly needs a reboot, as evidenced by the feeble attempts of the producers to recreate the grandeur of TOS. Guess what? That grandeur came with 30 years...
July 10, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST
In Next Generation we got an ancient Bones McCoy touring the ship with Data, imparting some wisdom, and later other original cast members made their contribution and gave their on-screen blessing to the new series. This happened in other Trek shows, too. <p> So now, Nimoy will play some old Vulcan-- not Spock-- and "hand off" the role of Spock to the new guy. The reason no Shatner? Because, as much as I love the guy's work, he's a ham and he'd demand more time, more lines, more presence and more attention. Really, I'd rather Shatner keep to Boston Legal (where he's awesome) and leave Trek alone. It's time he was allowed to move on and ignore the Trek franchise. <p> Nimoy should also get out as soon as this cameo is over.<p> The other surviving cast members should probably pack it in and work on new projects, too. Look at Takei..! He's a hit on Heroes! <p> Hand off Trek to some new blood, but have a Nimoy moment just to say "thanks for everything" and bury the old era completely.<p> Oh, and if they could somehow work into the script some lines that indicate that B&B will never be allowed in this project, I'd be happy. Frankly, after the shit they did, I'd like to see it in stone, or scribed in blood, but having a Trek producer make an appearance as some instructor who says to his class as we enter the scene: "Since those days, the Federation has completely banned the use of B&B in all corners of the galaxy." would be fine. Oh, and PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE no catsuits on female crew members. Skirts are fine. I dig the skirts (as long as they're sensible), but the catsuits from later Trek were stupid.
July 10, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST
by yeah i'm a jerk!
we don't need a reboot. we need good scripts and good actors. the past isn't broken on star trek, it was the recent stuff that sucked, and it was partly because they set the last series in the past instead of the future of the franchise.
July 10, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST
They BETTER not make Kirk a woman!
July 10, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST
Im one of the few that thought Enterprise was the best incarnation of the franchise to date and if i cant see a feature with that cast Im still interested in a similar reboot approach.
July 10, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST
I find myself with strangely mixed feelings about the catsuits. Whilst they were blatantly gratuitous, it wasn't necessarily a barrier. Voyager had it faults (a lot of them), but Seven of Nine wasn't one of them - Jeri Ryan almost singlehandedly held the show together in the later years, and she managed to transcend the Tits and Ass role and deliver some actually pretty solid acting work. I think this has been reflected in her post trek career - she's done really quite well, whereas someone like Garrett Wang (who might as well have been a wooden plank on the show) is nowhere to be seen. Would she still have delivered the same quality of acting without the tit-suit? Yes, certainly. I grant you that. But the suit did do one thing - it held the attention of the core demographic long enough for them to notice that she was actually shaping quite a solid character, and consequently they didn't switch off. IMHO, without Jeri Ryan, Star Trek would have been dead 5 years earlier. As for Jolene Blalock, a lot of her problem was that she just doesn't have the skill, or class that Jeri Ryan does. She wasn't able to make as much with the role.
July 10, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST
...leave Bill alone for shit's sake. And Nimoy would just be a sad man to do this. His cameo in DS9 was ok, but this would just be fucking embarrassing. NO WAY LEONARD, PUT THOSE FUCKING EARS BACK IN THE FUCKING BOX WHERE THEY BELONG!!
July 10, 2007, 12:17 p.m. CST
They should create a character using those names, similar to what Lucas did with Lott Dodd, then have that character suffer the most humiliating and painful death imaginable. That would be so cool.
July 10, 2007, 12:17 p.m. CST
You are indeed one of the few. Or the one.
July 10, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST
Nimoy's three part autobiography: Part one: I am spock Part two: I am not Spock Part three: If I am not spock, then who the hell am I. waka waka waka! the comedian's a bear. no hes a not he's a neck-tie!
July 10, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST
Set after Kirk dies. Spook is still around. It's like the Cage followup episode with the burned up Captian Pike. Pike is still supposed to be in it right???
July 10, 2007, 12:50 p.m. CST
even though this is nothing but a rumor. Crappy death or not, Kirk died. Get over it. Vulcans have long life spans. Therefore, Spock is still alive and can frame this story. Zachary Quinto as Spock is inspired casting. I'd actually rather see that than Adrien Brody, who's an awesome actor, but he wouldn't become Spock. He'd be Adrien Brody with pointy ears. Same reason I don't want Matt Damon. We need a unknown who's damn good. <p> and KanekoFan, what's not to get? It's not just the writers, directors, or even the actors. It's the universe, it's the alien races, it's the themes. When you create a universe, a mythos, like Trek, like Buffy, etc. you want to continue to play in that universe. If it was all new characters written just for the movie, people would still see it, if it was in the right spirit. Because it's Trek.
July 10, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST
by Stalin vs Predator
He's the perfect action hero. He's tall and... err... I mean, he's... uhh.. He's Shia la Boof. That he definitely is.
July 10, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST
In my mind there weren't 10. They went like this - I, II, III, IV, VI, First Contact, Insurrection. Star Trek 5 never happened, neither did Generations, or Nemesis. And for those who disagree about Insurrection, it wasn't that bad. It was like an extended episode of TNG. The only really bad moment was Riker pulling out a joystick to helm a FUCKING STARSHIP. But aside from that, it was OK. Riker and Troi finally got back together, and in many other senses there was some closure. How I wish they had never made Nemesis. What a pile of crap that film was. Worst Star Trek film by far. Anyway, I just operate on the assumption that 5, Generations, and Nemesis never happened. It works for me.
July 10, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST
I have no problem with flashing back to Kirk's early days with other actors but they CANNOT forget that Star Trek IS Kirk, Spock, McCoy et al. A so-called re-imagining or complete reboot would be WRONG. If you're gonna do that call it something other than Star Trek. The only way it can be done is with a new Star Trek series following on from the Next Generation era. The Enterprise X or whatever. And before they do that they need to properly wrap up that era. Picard needs another outing.
July 10, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST
I was so bloody disappointed that the only man to defeat the no-win scenario had a bridge fall from under his feet...
July 10, 2007, 1 p.m. CST
"THIS IS SPART....STARFLEET!"
July 10, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST
by Avon Barksdale
Is the count right? Don't be fucking with my ends, young-un!
July 10, 2007, 1:10 p.m. CST
July 10, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST
Having read some of Orci and Kurtzman's previous work. Are they polling the Trek boards for story ideas?
July 10, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST
by earl of sandwich
Picard was gay?
July 10, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST
of the charm and intelligence out of the original concept. That's usually what it means.
July 10, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST
July 10, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST
I mean, the amount of beating that they took and still performed was incredible. I used to joke to my pals that the Enterprise-D's shields always used to be at 60% after one phaser hit....pathetic. The D also went out like Kirk in Generations, getting its ass handed to it by a 70 year old Klingon Bird of Prey.
July 10, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST
... THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE AN ACADEMY MOVIE!!! The writers and JJ have already come out and said this is not an Academy movie. It's already been shown in the television series in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" that Kirk and Spock did not know each other before Kirk was named Captain of the Enterprise. This movie is about Kirk's first mission (which was made into a really gay and boring book) as Captain. Meaning that Gary Mitchell, not Spock will be his First Officer. Bones is the right age, and so is Damon. In fact, Damon for Kirk and Affleck for Gary Mitchell (he was Da Bomb in Phantom's, yo... Phantoms like a motherfucker!). Sylar for Spock. This is how it needs to go down. Stop being a bunch of retards and saying this is an Academy movie. It's not. It was a bad idea when Harve Bennett thought it up, and it's a terrible idea now. Robert Orci is a huge Trek nerd, and would never let Kirk and Spock meet at the Academy. It simply isn't canon. So give up the idea. This is either the first voyage, a voyage from the fourth or fifth year of the Enterprise's five year voyage that we never got to see, or a total reboot (or a combination of 1 and 3).
July 10, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST
by scifi guy
Comingsoon.net put this up a few hours before you guys. What happened to you guys being the first and best news site?
July 10, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST
Pabst Blue Ribbon!!
July 10, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST
Nobody outside of the Trekkies really wants to see anything but the original crew. The TNG cast bored me to tears in the movies. The only good one they had was First Contact. This is a much better idea then Enterprise was. If this is done right and the correct cast is chosen this will introduce Star Trek to a new generation of fans. I grew up watching TOS regularly and I also watched TNG but I always liked TOS better. I lost interest when Deep Space Nine and all the other series made the franchise seem watered down. I can't see what the big problem is with Spock being in it. He's the most logical(didn't mean the pun it just happened)choice to connect the old with the new.
July 10, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST
YOUR DATA IS FAULTY CREATOR! I AM NOMAD! I AM PERFECT! YOUR DATA....IS....FAULTY!
July 10, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST
Man, why is it that they constantly want to go BACK in time with Star Trek. I don't give a flying yippin yahoo about Spock or Kirk back in Academy. Seriously, who cares? Someone needs to pull their head out of their ass and do a Star Trek movie that *GASP* takes place in the future?? With weapons and ships and enemies that are actually *GASP* futuristic?? That's why Enterprise sucks so badly (besides its writing) no one cares about the start of the federation. Next Gen and DS9 were great because they took place in the future exploring new races and planets no one had seen. This who current direction seems like a huge step backward to me...
July 10, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST
but Pillar and Brannon braga destroyed the franchise. along time ago. I hope JJ abrams can restore the lutstre that the boneheads Braga and Pillar sucked out of it, when they ran the franchise into the fucking ground.
July 10, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST
Like, look, why would you ever make a show about the beginning of the Federation and never show the Romulan wars? That's just plain old silly. I want to Romulan Birds of Prey nuking Earth cities from orbit. That's what I want to see in any prequel series. But no, Enterprise starts before the Romulan Wars, and ends after them, with the negotiation of the neutral zone. All the real action takes place off-screen.<p> Check it out though, a series following the Enterprise after TNG would be sick. I think the only problem is, people embraced that first crew of the Enterprise, and nobody really knew if they would embrace the next generation crew. And if it wasn't for Patrick Stewart genuinely loving it, I don't think we would have. Nobody really liked Enterprise, so I dunno if we'd ever get our FUTURE Trek series with a whole new crew. It would probably wind up depending too heavily on TNG cameos. Like from Admiral Picard, Captain Riker, General Worf, etc etc
July 10, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST
The idea of a "young Kirk" and a "young Spock." Wasn't Kirk only supposed to be in his 30's in the original series? I thought the idea was that he was relatively young for a starfleet captain. And don't Vulcans age differently? I assume that Spock would have been "young" before Kirk was even born. Isn't that how they got Sarek and Spock to make guest spots on TNG which is like 100 years later.
July 10, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST
For as much of an original series fan as you purport to be, you'd find having Shatner or Nimoy in the film "distracting"? Shame on you! I certainly hope we haven't heard the final word on this. I'd really like to hear the ST XI team's reasoning for NOT wanting Shatner in this, because I can give an answer for ANY problem they might be having. The character's dead? SO FUCKING WHAT. This is Star Trek, and 98% of the general public doesn't even remember Generations (lucky them). To the geeks who really do care about how and why Kirk is alive ... whoever said, "prequel comic to the events in this film" - Bingo! What a HUGE wasted opportunity if this news turns out to be true. Shatner is still with us. He looks great for his age. He's more popular than ever; the man is downright ubiquitous, you barely go a day without seeing him on tv! And he still wields a charisma and screen presence that few actors can match. Not using him - even if only to bookend the events of the film - is stupid!
July 10, 2007, 2:57 p.m. CST
Technically, if there is to be any form of consistency with this movie (of which I doubt), Spock was already on board the Enterprise LONG before Scotty, Kirk, or anyone else arrived (The Menagerie...Talos IV...Pike in the TechnoWheel Chair...any of this ringing any bells?). While I know it won't happen, but Admiral Sulu, or the crew of Enterprise B would be a better idea, since there is still some missing history between TOS and TNG (just my opinion).
July 10, 2007, 3:01 p.m. CST
think about it... it is a great idea to return the series to TOS setting, but including Kirk and Spock will kill Star Trek if this does not work. and maybe its better off dead, but it would have been safer and smarter to use Pike... an established character in the series we dont know much about.
July 10, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST
a reboot isn't going to draw in new fans. <br><br>there are three shows worth of characters with established followings in the Next Gen timeline. It would be great fun to see them mix up Next Gen, DS9, and Voyager characters. They could also avoid worrying about paying big actor salaries. A star says they want more money they just get a character from another series. Because they have tons of characters they could kill some -- something they could never do in a prequel movie or reboot. <br><br>If they do a prequel or do a reboot the outcome will still be known and only the details will be unknown. Keep going forward and there will be uncertainty about who can live or die. <br><br>who wouldn't want to see a huge balls out Borg war with characters from all three series interacting on some kind of mission to stop the Borg? Or even that long threatened war with the Romulans?
July 10, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST
then I saw Shat and it all came together
July 10, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST
by Motoko Kusanagi
so this is good news
July 10, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST
to carry their own movies. Besides, Voyager was an abomination. The beginning of the end. That's the point where I stopped watching Trek episodes. There was one memorable character in the entire show (The Doctor). There was a time when The Next Generation was really popular, even among non-science fiction fans. But despite being a momentary blip on the early nineties zeitgeist, TNG isn't nearly the pop cultural milestone the original series is. Even if people roll their eyes, just about everyone has heard of Kirk and Spock. A prequel is the only means of brining Trek back to the big screen. People have actually heard of these characters. Some of the above ideas are great for a TV show, but they don't have the broad appeal that the original characters have played by bankable stars. Like it or hate it, it's the only way Trek is going to reach beyond the core audience.
July 10, 2007, 3:42 p.m. CST
by Thick McRunFast
I guess I wasn't the only person to tip AICN off on this..?
July 10, 2007, 3:47 p.m. CST
Be like an episode of Lost.<p> Are there going to be pretentious fucking viral websites about this one too?
July 10, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST
Very shitty!!! Shatner is a legend who can still throw dropkicks, skydive, break a wild horse and cornhole hot chicks. He is a modern day renasiance man. His portrail of Kirk is the prototype for modern action stars. Really fucking lame. If this is true they better not have any cameos by any of the shitty assed Next Gen era cast.
July 10, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST
I don't mind a reboot, but it does strike me that doing one tends to create the feeling that the film'd be better with new, original characters. That way there's no canonical ties to fret over.
July 10, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST
by Blok Narpin
"The franchise needs a reboot...a reinvention..." WRONG-O. The last thing Trek needs is reboots or re-inventions. That would suck so much donkey ass. What This should be is a great, n-continuity PREQUEL. And Shatner and Nimoy should have cameos as old Kirk and old Spock, perhaps set sometime shortly after the Enterprise-A's decommissioning ceremony, reflecting on the past with the new Kirk and Spock's story being told as a flashback. THAT is the way to do this movie!
July 10, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST
by Blok Narpin
"But despite being a momentary blip on the early nineties zeitgeist, TNG isn't nearly the pop cultural milestone the original series is." Actually, you are incorrect. TNG was by far the most popular Trek series with the masses, and is indeed a pop culture phenomenon. A recent poll showed that Picard was the most popular Trek character of all time.
July 10, 2007, 4:20 p.m. CST
by Blok Narpin
"The only really bad moment was Riker pulling out a joystick to helm a FUCKING STARSHIP" There was a lot wrong with Insurrection, but Riker using a joystick was not one of them. Joysticks have been used in aviation for years, so there is nothing weird or silly about the Enterprise having one. Only our brain-dead culture of the day associates "joystick" with "video game". No, Worf's zit, Troi and Crusher's "boobs firming up", Data as a floatation device, the Data/Picard/Worf sing along....there was a lot wrong with Star Trek Insurrection, but the joystick was just fine.
July 10, 2007, 4:21 p.m. CST
by Uncle Stan
Kirk: worst screen death ever!
July 10, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST
And it was lame. If they want to update the weapons and the tech, I'm fine with that, but the Original Series space western was by far the best style for the series, and it wouldn't hurt to go back the basis of the stories being what man's nature is, not what we wish man's nature was.
July 10, 2007, 4:29 p.m. CST
Berman killed him! Thats why he's not in it!
July 10, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST
Patrick Stewart in Excalibur- Badass Patrick Stewart in Next Gen- Fucking psudeointellectual pussy First Contact good beacuse it was a well crafted Aliens ripoff- Every other Next Gen movie- Fucking dreadful!!!
July 10, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST
That blonde bitches brother from Lost as Spock,
July 10, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST
I think a reboot may draw new fans. However this new Trek will have some build-in new fans.. the Lost fans.
July 10, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST
get worst, if she were a man, but Picard is only half one, so he is worst by far! Hahah.
July 10, 2007, 5:23 p.m. CST
And that makes me strangely comforted.
July 10, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST
Star Trek is about the future, not the past. Anyone who watched it knows this. This is doomed to failure. By all means JJ! Do your worst. Maybe someone will notice you killing a franchise THIS time.
July 10, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST
by DARTH VOODOO
This is beyond lame. A chance to right the wrong of Generations and Abrams doesn't take it.
July 10, 2007, 5:40 p.m. CST
by DARTH VOODOO
July 10, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST
by jason john
I think the best thing for Star Trek would be a TV series based on Rikers USS Titan, with guest appearances from TNG, DS9 & VOY cast members, even Enterprise if time travel from the past is involved( Its not like Frakes or Sirtis have anything better to do ). The films need something refreshing. I confess to being a big horror fan but the script for Event Horizon would of made a good Star Trek story, a new warp drives sends a Federation ship to a Hell dimension and the Enterprise has to investigate etc. Well theres my two cents worth !
July 10, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST
Gentlemen, this is NOT some cheap murder
July 10, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST
by DARTH VOODOO
Shatner is Star Trek not some guy nobody has heard of.
July 10, 2007, 6:35 p.m. CST
because of Patrick Stewart's popularity as an actor thanks to X-Men. I would also be interested if this was a real poll among average people or an internet "poll." I still don't think TNG has become the pop culture milestone the original series has, even if it was more popular during production. Personally I love the first three series but cannot stand Voyager and have not liked what little I've seen of Enterprise.
July 10, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST
he would make a great Spock.
July 10, 2007, 7:49 p.m. CST
It just needs better writers. TOS, TNG, and DS9 were well written. Voyager and Enterprise needed some serious help. Doing a reboot, IMO, will either revive the series as they hope it will or it will be the final nail in the coffin. IMO if you reboot and ignore all that has been done already, you will seriously piss off the hardcore trek fans and the series will die forever. Mark my words.
July 10, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST
and pop culture references, they can never bring back Shatner as Kirk...it would be like makin a Baywath film with the Hoff or having Adam West in The Dark Knight...people would not be able to take the performance seriously...
July 10, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST
I'm telling ya'll, Ryan Reynolds would rock as James Reboot Kirk. Search your feelings - and green Orion slave girls - you know it to be true.
July 10, 2007, 9:09 p.m. CST
July 10, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST
Again, I say, just make a new series that doesn't suck balls. Voyager didn't suck because it was about new characters, it sucked because it was fucking awful.
July 10, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST
Alias, Lost, the man knows what he's doing people.
July 10, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST
or was it an English only thing?
July 10, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST
- narrative devices in cinema. Ugh part 2.
July 10, 2007, 9:21 p.m. CST
I can't remember if it was bad, only that it was on alllllll the time.
July 10, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST
July 10, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST
Yep I remember that ep well. Priceless.
July 10, 2007, 9:24 p.m. CST
it's gotten so stale, someone needs to freshen it up with an edgy new twist.
July 10, 2007, 9:27 p.m. CST
Seriously, wouldn't an all-obese star trek be entertaining? What with the jumpsuits and all?
July 10, 2007, 9:27 p.m. CST
It's going to try and respect continuity but not be a slave to it. I don't have a problem with this since Trek is terrible with continuity. Warp 10 had a different meaning depending on the episode. It was either going really fast or it was tesseracting like in a Wrinkle in Time. I too trust JJ. The man co-created one of the best TV shows to grace the air. Felicity fuckin' rocked!
July 10, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST
but it fucked me up cos halfway through the villain actually suceeded in turning the main character into this ,like, silver pile of slude...and he never got turned back!! as a kid I had never seen that happen before...they just had a new hero arrive and he kept the silver sludge as a....pet, or whatever....
July 10, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST
by Spykid the 13th
Merrick? Are you talking about...a reimagining?
July 10, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST
by DARTH VOODOO
This is the real Kirk + Spock we are talking about.
July 10, 2007, 10:53 p.m. CST
I know Bill is a bit greedy and wanted quite a lot of money to appear in the Enterprise series, but since this film will more than likely be the definitely final appearance by both Nimoy and Shatner in a Trek film (if they were both in it, as Shatner is almost 80) Paramount should just pay Bill what he wants and it'd be a good way of resolving all the bullshit with Kirk in the Nexus.
July 10, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST
Just call it something other than "Star Trek". If you think Trek is so worn out, and so in need of a complete reinvention, then why don't you take the logical step of just making up your own damn franchise rather than trying to glom on to the name of the thing you so revile just to hypocritically try to wring a few quatloos off the fans of the old-form franchise? If you're going off in such a terrifically different direction, then surely you don't even need the Trek name. If you think you need that crutch, then you should rethink your entire concept, because you obviously don't have a creative bone in your body.
July 10, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST
This is all wrong. They need to make a next generation film, or a DS9 film or a WHOLE NEW SERIES - either film or tv, I don't care. But they must NOT go back and re-invent TOS. Also they must NOT piss me off again. Next Gen was such a classy show, but Generations, Insurrection and Nemesis were sore let downs. First contact was good though. We all know that. <br><br>has anyone watch trek 5 recently.... it's actually not that bad. I'm serious.
July 10, 2007, 11:25 p.m. CST
make a movie of the book "The Return" Would be BEST MOVIE EVER
July 10, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST
Really truly fuck it hard in the ass that it was shat from because no one and I mean NO ONE with all my geek fanboy blood should play Kirk and Spock but the two men who made those roles. It's complete and total shit. I don't give a rats ass if this has the approval of Shatner and Nimoy. Now THIS is something to be up in arms about, not flames on Optimus. I mean really this is going to destroy the history and canon of that series. Enterprise (the show) did enough damage as it is. Do we REALLY need to have other people playing these roles? I absolutely will not see this. No fucking way.
July 10, 2007, 11:56 p.m. CST
July 11, 2007, 12:32 a.m. CST
is that there is a risk of treading on cannon that someone might consider to be sacred. The ones that have worked, Batman Begins and BSG, both work becuase they stay somewhat true to the original stories (also with both, after the travesties of Batman and Robin and Galactica 1980, fans were wanting a new direction). Re-Imaging something like Trek is taking something that, at one point, had continuity (more so TNG and DS9 than VOY or ENT) and flushing the whole thing down the crapper just for the sake of "being dramatic." For cryin' out loud, just because Lucas did it with the Star Wars trilogy doesn't mean everyone else in Hollywood has to be a lemming and blindly follow. Lucas at least HAD an idea of what he was going to do for the prequels before he did it (the execution may not have been the best, but that is besides the point). Oh, and for Shatner, even though he won't be in it (that itself is a bad idea), he'll still get paid. According to various things I've heard over the years, he and Nimoy were given 1% ownership of all things Trek when they negociated their movie contracts. Gene Roddenberry (the original creator of the series...for those of you who may have forgotten) had an overall 5% ownership share in Trek, and gave both Nimoy and Shatner 1% each. So everytime a movie comes out, they get paid. Everytime a new television show comes out, they get paid (no idea how much, but they are getting some $).
July 11, 2007, 1:05 a.m. CST
Trek needs to move forward not backwards. Also the three main characters (Especially Shatner as Kirk) are so connected to the actors who played the roles that its impossible to watch someone else in the role. There are some roles that an actor was born to play and they become so intergrated with that character that its hard to accept anyone else playing the role. It would be better to just do something original. Also knowing what that hack Abrams wanted to do to Superman is enough to make anyone who gives even an ounce of crap about Trek some reservations. Mission Impossible 3 also sucked ass so I'm not exactly sure why anyone is excited about this.
July 11, 2007, 3:39 a.m. CST
Spock my oldfreindremem BER whenwefirsttookcontrolofthisshipTHISla DY? IlookedatyouandI REA LISED thatyouhadpointy EARS! Youwerea VUL can! Then Bones good old faithful Booones! Hethoughtthatyouwereanemition LESS twat! ThenIspentthefirstthree YEARS OF THE mission lookingup UH -OOOOOO raSSKIRT
July 11, 2007, 4:01 a.m. CST
by Big Dumb Ape
At this point in time, WHAT is the point to this? Seriously, let's stop and think about it a minute...<p>First off, doing a "reboot" of TOS is just fucking lazy, at which point Abrams should just admit he IS a total cash whore looking to pump money into his production company the easiest way possible. Frankly, TOS is one of those things that does NOT call out for a "reimagining". So if you love STAR TREK or want to play in that pond -- fine, then create something new and actually ADD to the universe.<p>Hell, ENTERPRISE has been off the air for a a while now...likewise at this point in time, all the other incarnations are merely fond memories in the backs of peoples' minds...so you have free reign to do whatever the fuck you want. And if Paramount is so ramped up to bring back the property...and if Abrams is so sure his screenwriters are actually capable people...then why the hell WOULDN'T you be more excited about actually creating a NEW incarnation that's all your own? So you can completely run wild with it?<p>Sorry, but re-doing Kirk and Spock just goes to show that both Paramount and Abrams are too fucking lazy and uncreative to actually ADD to TREK canon. Instead, they just want to cop out and take the easiest way out by saying "Hey! NEW Kirk and Spock! I bet THAT would generate some coin at the box office! If nothing else, by the time people have left the theater realizing how we reamed their asses by serving up total shit, we'll have still gotten their money. It's a win-win!"<p>Oh, and this idea of using Matt Damon? To show me what "young Kirk" would have been like? Seriously, what fucking sense does that make since DAMON IS NOW OLDER THAN SHATNER WAS WHEN HE STARRED IN THE ORIGINAL TV SERIES. If I want to see "young Kirk", I'll just throw in a DVD. Not to mention given Damon's age, how many films are you actually going to even get out of him at this point? Given usual production start-up times, at best you're going to get 2...maybe 3...movies out of him before clearly he DOES look too old -- at which point, what, we'll be recasting Kirk yet again? Damon's already at the upper end. He'll be like a Bond actor -- his natural age will now too quickly make him outgrow the role.<p>And fuck it, if you say "Well, age doesn't matter. It's the fact that people want to see Kirk and Spock back", then just bring back Shatner and Nimoy for one final round. Hell, THERE'S your fucking marketing coupe. You don't think a trailer showing both of them reuniting one last time, done right, wouldn't get movie fans pumping their fists and saying "Oh hell yeah! That I want to see!"<p>Just ask yourself the most basic question of all: if you cut a trailer right now with Shatner and Nimoy...versus one with Damon and Sylar or whoever the fuck you pick as Young Spock...and ran them against each other to guage audience reaction, I think we all KNOW which trailer not just Trek fans, but all "movie fans" would react to the most and cheer on.<p>Seriously, this whole reboot idea just sucks to me. Like I said, you want to bring back Trek, then fine -- do something creative and new. But if you just want to pimp out the names "Kirk, Spock and McCoy" for easy money, then you're just showing what lazy uncreative asses you are.
July 11, 2007, 7:14 a.m. CST
he was married to Shatner in secret Las Vegas wedding in 1971. They were drunk and dressed as Wilma Flintstone and Betty Rubble (he didn't remember who was who). They were so embarrassed by the whole thing they decided never to see each other again. And when they filmed Star Trek 2, the Shatner and Khan never actually met. They were on the same set but at different times. True story.
July 11, 2007, 8:11 a.m. CST
Paramount should wake up and smell the coffee. Shatner + Nimoy to most people ARE Star Trek. Sure Kelley & the other 4 Crew to a lesser degree but no point trying to recast the original 7 actors as they were all perfect for the roles. Make another movie set in the same timeline with a new crew that could work but Kirk & Spock can only ever work with Shatner & Nimoy anything else will be a complete disaster and bury Star Trek for good. Not writing Shatner in when last week the writers said they wanted him is a big mistake to lie to your fanbase so blatantly. We can only hope Shatner is being evasive in his interview and joking around as he has been told to not say anything but I suspect the truth is he is out and Nimoy being in on his own will not work as witnessed by his 2 TNG episodes. Without Kirk to play against Spock seems flat and out of place. There is still time for Paramount to reconsider as this movie is already in deep trouble because the director of MI3 is not exactly a calling card is it when that was a bland/boring hard to follow poorly lit/poorly made generic action movie which would have sunk without a trace like XXX2 if it were not an MI sequel. The only thing they have doen right is hire ILM & Nimoy. The movie will need a lot more than that to succeed and lets hope they give ILM the budget to show what the ST universe can look like as opposed to giving ILM a few VFX shots which others cannot do cheaper which then looks bad as the VFS do not match with several different companies providing shots.
July 11, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST
by Mr Incredible
Make it 25 years after Voyager, and put a serious threat in it. And get some writers who aren't stuck in a box. How hard can it be to that? Screw this crappy movie!
July 11, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST
by Jakes Nel
... but by now I know better than to say anything in the middle of a Star Trek discussion. You Trekkie geeks are hardcore, man. P.S. Why is everyone so upset? You know you're all just gonna end up loving the new movie anyway...
July 11, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST
What a sad world it is where such statements are made and are not jokes. Lee Marvin could sit on Matt Damon and squish him without noticing. Charles Bronson would kill Matt Damon by sneezing on him. Through a handkerchief.