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Smith & Jones!! DOCTOR WHO’s 29th Season Arrives on SciFi!!

I am – Hercules!!
We’re catching up! At 8 p.m. America’s SciFi Channel transmits the 2006 “Doctor Who” Christmas episode that introduced the runaway bride who will serve as the doctor’s 30th-season companion. At 9:30 p.m., the 29th season of “Doctor Who,” concluded on the BBC Saturday, launches in America. We start with the reviews of the 2006 Christmas episode. “Kelvington” says:
Doctor Who – The Runaway Bride For the second year in a row the BBC has given us a great Christmas cracker in the form of a funny “Doctor Who” romp, this could have easily been a feature film, from the effects to the story, it was a great piece of work. The story picks up before the end of the last series, showing how the runaway bride got aboard the TARDIS. Then what follows is freeway chase, with just one car, and a flying TARDIS, a huge spider woman, and what happens when you pour a awful lot of water down a four thousand mile hole. We also get to see the formation of the Earth, the return of robot Santas, and the great Catherine Tate doing what she does best, being funny. And while the TARDIS does do some tricks we’ve not seen before, there’s more than enough action for the best Who fan. Personally, I loved this episode, it was funny, clever and we got introduced to a new alien, in the form a huge spider, one who appreciates a good joke or two no less. The only sad part of the episode, is when Donna (the bride) is asked to join the Doctor and she declines. Tate would have made a great companion, but let’s not rule out a return visit. There were also several mentions of Rose, and it’s clear the Doctor has not forgotten his pervious companion, including a short flashback of her during the wedding reception. I think it’s hard to create a stand alone story that doesn’t hang a lantern on all the previous episodes, but this one comes as close as you can to doing it, which is why it would have made a great feature. Finally we got see what lies ahead for the Doctor and his new companion, including a visit with William Shakespeare, an invasion of Rino people, and of course the Dalek that escaped from “Doomsday”. All this an more will be here in just a few short month. Of course until then, we have the Torchwood finale next week, and the start up of the “Sara Jane Adventures”, so Who fans have a lot to celebrate this Christmas Day. Just my 2¢
“Russ. U.K.” adds:
Hi Herc Heres a quick review of the just televised 2006 Doctor Who xmas special "The Runaway Bride"!! 7pm BBC1 Christmas Day Now i believe you guys in the states have just seen the brilliant second season finale "Doomsday" and noticed that right at the end a bride to be suddenly appears in the Tardis mysteriously! Well at the start of this episode we have a short prequel of sorts showing Donna (played by comedianne Catherine tate)walking up the isle on her wedding day just about to be married to Husband to be Lance, when suddenly she disappears and seems to disintergrate. We then see Donna as the Doomsday ep showed appearing in the tardis and the Doctor saying "Who are you"?. Now The Doctor tries to return Donna to her wedding but everyones gone to the reception.well after all as one of the guests says "we thought we'd make the most of it as its all been paid for!" We then go on for a great ride as the doctor and donna try to unravel why she suddenly appeared In the Tardis? We find out that Donna works for a company (where she met husband to be Lance,who also works there) as a secretary The company has a contract with'll know that name by now! and the doctor discovers that the building has a secret level unknown to everyone! Donna has been infected with very ancient particles from billions of years ago (by how and by who i won't spoil here!!) so old that it dates back to the formation of our galaxy,The tardis also has these particles as energy so there was a link between the two and were kinda magnetically attracted to each other. To cut the story short a bit the doctor,Donna and Lance go to the secret level and just as the doctor is opening the door to a closed room Donna disappears and has been captured by robots. We then see our main villain "The empress of Racnoss!"..think half human,half spider creature..brilliant fx work here by the mill fx. It appears the racnoss are an ancient race who when the earth was formed,drew the rocks,gas,dust etc that formed the earth over one of there sips,so now the shipp is buried at the centre of the earth! and the empress of racnoss wants to free her people who are still there then feed on humanity. Well i won't give it all away but theres a small twist in the tale and a great resoloution. Right at the end the doctor returns donna home.."You can come with me if you want" he says..the thing is though that Donna is completely differnt to Rose and has no interest in danger and adventures in space "Do you always live your life like this?" she says..they say goodbye though donna manages to say one last thing.."Find someone,won't you?" The tardis disappears..end of episode. Then cut to a sneak preview of Season 3 which starts in the spring..clips show The Doctor meeting Shakespeare,meeting Martha Jones who will be the new companion and a vast assortment of weird aliens..can't wait!! THE GOOD Great fx by the mill, particulary the spider creature and the brilliant car chase with the tardis bouncing and traversing through cars etc. David tennant of course too! He's so comfortable with the role now he is worth the price of admission alone THE BAD Not much though but im not really a fan of Catherine Tate,Donna is virtually the same chracter she plays in her comedy show and that charcter is a bit annoying but she does an ok job for a one off episode but wouldn’t want to see her every week. The robot santa..umm werent they used last year for "The christmas invasion" i just hope we dont get them for a 3rd year on the go! Hope this is of use? Russ. U.K
Here’s what “Doctor Dan” had to say about the 29th season premiere way back on March 31:
DOCTOR WHO - 3.1 "Smith And Jones" WRITER: Russell T. Davies DIRECTOR: Charles Palmer CAST: David Tennant (The Doctor), Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones), Reggie Yates (Leo Jones), Trevor Laird (Clive Jones), Adjoa Andoh (Francine Jones), Gugu Mbatha-Raw (Tish Jones), Anne Reid ( Florence ), Roy Marsden (Mr Stoker), Paul Kasey (Judoon) & Nicholas Briggs (Judoon Voices) Synopsis: The Royal Hope Hospital is transported to the moon and medical student Martha Jones finds herself fighting blood-sucking aliens alongside a mysterious stranger who calls himself The Doctor... The third season of Doctor Who gets off to a sprightly start with Smith And Jones, written by show-runner Russell T. Davies. The first episode mostly serves as an introduction to new companion Martha Jones, played by Freema Agyeman, a student nurse work ing at a hospital that is transported to the surface of the moon by rhino-headed aliens called The Judoon. Davies' script certainly crams a lot into its running time, serving as a far more interesting introduction to a new companion than "Rose". Freema Agyeman acquits herself very well and is a more naturalistic actress than Billie Piper, who was likeable but bland. Martha Jones seems to have a streetwise appeal and a more chaotic family, who are glimpsed briefly to bookend the episode. She's also more clued-up on aliens and suchlike, which impresses The Doctor and should eliminate exposition in the weeks to come. It's a competent episode with plenty to recommend, although the initial "wow-factor" of plonking a multi-storey hospital on the moon, is soon replaced with endless running around hospital corridors. The Judoon are effective villains, although only one reveals its rhino head (undoubtedly to save cash), meaning the rest are left to stomp about the place in oversized helmets. It's a little disappointing, particularly as alien Plasmavore (guest star Anne Reid) has similarly helmeted henchmen. David Tennant is a joy, as always. You feel relaxed and under his spell whenever he's around and the sense of joy he exudes is infectious. The guest stars are mostly pushed into the background, but Martha's family make memorable (if brief) appearances and Anne Reid is fabulous as a sneery alien "vampire" trying to evade the Judoon hordes. Occasionally, Murray Gold's music is overblown and badly edited (see the Judoon's marching entry), but it's otherwise used very well. There are already a number of background motifs for fans to watch (akin to BAD WOLF and Torchwood) with the mysterious Mr Saxon. A character mentions Saxon's opinion that there "we're not alone in the universe" and some political campaign posters with "VOTE SAXON" can be seen in a few scenes (as they were on spin-off show Torchwood last year; how's that for foreshadowing, folks?) Overall, Smith And Jones is easily the best premiere the new series has had since its 2005 re-launch. The reasoning behind the Judoon's actions is maddeningly swept under the carpet, but the main concern here is to introduce Martha Jones and create a plausible relationship between her and The Doctor. It succeeds magnificently in this regard. A great start to what will hopefully be an improved series. THE GOOD 1. The gorgeous Freema Agyeman -- instantly resigning all memory of Billie Piper to the past. She oozes potential with her streetwise attitude and intelligence. 2. The special FX of the hospital on the moon and the Judoon ships are epic sequences. The Judoon's rhino-head is a bit rubbery, but good enough. 3. David Tennant is on blistering form, delivering wisecracks and ploughing manic energy into every scene. 4. They had very little screen time, but the energy and dynamic of the Jones family already makes Jackie and Mickey look old hat. THE BAD 1. It’s very unfortunate the budget didn’t stretch to more Judoon faces and the "motorcycle helmet" aliens were disappointing. The Plasmavore was also a little underwhelming (although I can see kids chasing each other with straws for the next few days...) 2. After an epic start to wet your appetite, the plot begins to drag with endless scenes of running around corridors. 3. The Judoon's actual intentions are frustratingly vague and silly. THE GEEKY 1. This title comes from new combining Martha Jones' surname and The Doctor's alias "John Smith". The Doctor has used this moniker numerous times throughout the series. 2. Freema Agyeman starred in series 2's finale as an office work er in Torchwood Tower called Adeole. To limit confusion amongst nitpicking fans, it's made clear in this episode that Adeole was Martha's cousin. 3. This episode makes Freema Agyeman the seventh person to have appeared in Doctor Who before later returning as a regular character. She is the fourth such person to have played different characters who interacted with the same Doctor. 4. Actor Paul Kasey is the resident "alien" on the show, having played numerous creatures since Doctor Who returned, including the Weevil in spin-off series Torchwood. Similarly, vocal artist Nicholas Briggs provides most of the alien voices for the show, most famously the Daleks and Cybermen. 5. Actor Reggie Yates is best known as a presenter on Top Of The Pops and BBC Radio 1, although acting was his first vocation after starring in children's television series Grange Hill. 6. The Doctor has a new blue suit to replace his brown pinstripe -- although he seems to alternate between the two in this episode. 7. Adjoa Andoh (Francine Jones) starred as Sister Jatt in New Earth last year. Anne Reid ( Florence ) starred in The Curse Of Fenric during Sylvester McCoy's era. 8. The Doctor mentions having a brother and, later, how "we" played in the nursery. It's not known if he was lying about having a sibling. 9. It’s shown here that The Doctor is unharmed by extreme radiation and can actually focus it into one area of his body (his foot here) and expel it safely into the air. 10. The allusions to Mr Saxon begin already, particular with the political campaign posters also seen on Torchwood. Check out the internet for rumours about who/what Mr Saxon actually is, but beware of likely spoilers! RATING: 3 / 5 NEXT WEEK: The Doctor whisks Martha back in time to 1599 where they must save William Shakespeare from three witches...
“The Handsome 12th Doctor” says:
Doctor Who (the BBC's answer to ITV's Primeval) was back on Brit telly tonight, and so I thought I'd try to get a review posted here. This won't be one of those structured analyses with excerpts from the Radio Times, or star ratings. I can't be doing with that malarkey. Season 3 or 29 kicks off with 'Smith And Jones', and involves a hospital transported to the moon, rhino head aliens, blood sucking aliens, and a couple of slabs. The plotline was pretty good for a first episode (the previous two seasons had weak openers I thought). And in the midst of all this they had to introduce the brand new companion, which was very well handled throughout. Credit to Russell where it's due. So what's she like then? Martha Jones, as played by Freema Agyemen. She's brilliant, feisty, intelligent, funny, interesting…….. Forget all that. Is she fit? Yes. And most importantly she's different to Rose. In good ways, like being more scientific about things. But also kind of bad, in that her family are worse. If you thought Rose's mum could be a bit annoying at times then wait till you see the new lot. Like a bad Hollyoaks crowd. I'm hoping Martha My Dear really wants to escape from them and we never see them again in the show. Hey I can dream can't I? Speaking of her family…. they do cleverly get around the fact that Freema appeared in Who last year in another guise. Meanwhile David Tennant is marvellous. In the last season I felt his performance varied, as if he hadn't decided yet on how to play the Doc. He now appears to have settled firmly into the part. It'd be nice if he stuck around for a good while longer. The supporting cast were fine too. Notably Anne Reid. The episode was briskly paced and directed, with some nifty effect work. Enjoyable stuff. I'm so happy having something good to watch on Saturday nights. PS: I hope you use this. My dream is to have a Doctor Who review on AICN. PPS: Actually no, my dream is that someone in the talkbacks does a joke about how to defeat a Dalek, based around running up some stairs.
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  • July 6, 2007, 1:26 a.m. CST


    by spaceghost7777


  • July 6, 2007, 1:29 a.m. CST

    SECOND Thanks for the martha info

    by spaceghost7777

    And...SECOND Thanks for the martha info clearing up the other character she played on the season 2 finale at torchwood. I/E. the cousin. I did not catch taht the first time I saw smith & Jones.

  • July 6, 2007, 1:31 a.m. CST

    And Third? Sorry for typos No edit feature here?

    by spaceghost7777

    And Third? Sorry for typos No edit feature here?

  • July 6, 2007, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Triple Hat!?! Do I get a No-Prize or something?

    by spaceghost7777

    Triple Hat!?! Do I get a No-Prize or something?

  • July 6, 2007, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Look at Kristen Bells powerful CROTCH! LOOK AT IT!

    by LordEnigma

    That's a fine lady! WOOT WOOT! Nevertheless, welcome back Doctor. Welcome back. What? Im supposed to download the eps? GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE.

  • July 6, 2007, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Tate Hate

    by hansello

    I'll never get bored of moaning about the seemingly stupid decision to bring back Catherine Tate as the new companion. Most people hate her (See the BBC's own poll on it) and it seems lazy. Sally Sparrow seemed to be a popular and interesting choice that would have seen a new companion who wasn't in love with the Doctor. Not only that, she had smarts and charisma. If not Sally, why not a much older companion or even someone brand new from further back in time. (It seems that the Titanic Xmas episode would have provided an excellant opportunity for this) Tate was annoying and whiney throughout the 2006 xmas episode and will destroy the 4th season of what has been sublime saturday night TV viewing.

  • July 6, 2007, 2:32 a.m. CST

    After series 4 "no plans to make any more series"

    by smellmycheese

    Four Doctor Who coaxial talk backs in one week?? Outstanding! <br><br>Deus ex machina, gay agenda, Martha's ass, fugly Catherine Tate, etc, etc, etc. Right, now we've got those out the way, let's talk about this... (yes, I know the TB is on a different topic but there's not much to say about that)<br><br> I was reading this article from The Sun, posted by Mr.Stabs on the last TB. Now, while I don't read The Sun (and only occasionally look at the titties on page 3), as Mr.Stabs writes "they have got the odd thing right in the past", Who wise. Indeed they have... and they write...<br><br>"...<br> The new series is set to be the last one headed by Russell T Davies, the drama writer who successfully relaunched Doctor Who in 2005. <br><br> He has overseen every series since but now wants to concentrate on other projects. <br><br> Although there are no plans to make any more series, TV Biz can reveal it won’t be the end of the timelord. <br><br> The show will return as a number of specials, scattered throughout the year after screening of the fourth series ends in 2008. <br>..."<br><br>By that I'm guessing there'll be specials on Easter weekend and Christmas Day... but does that mean no series 5 overseen by someone else? :-(

  • July 6, 2007, 2:34 a.m. CST

    well, you're not supposed to download them

    by punto

    but then you don't get to act all offended when Herc posts a headline saying "SPOILERS: THE DOCTOR KILLS DUMBLEDORE" right there on the front page.. It's already old news.

  • July 6, 2007, 2:40 a.m. CST

    still think ROSE was the better companion...

    by Romoehlio

    there, i said it. her relationship with the doc was just magnificent. martha was fine, this season was STRONG (family of blood (the ending) and blink were classic!), still don`t know what i think about tate...

  • July 6, 2007, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Season 5

    by V'Shael

    Hasn't been commissioned by the Beeb. <p> Will they? <p> Honestly, it will depend on the ratings of Season 4, as well as who might be in the wings to take over RTD. <p> The Beeb have a lot of faith in RTD, but right now, they seem to be thinking that he is the ONLY one who could make it work. <p> If the ratings for S4 are as bad as the Tate-Haters fear, then it's a lot less likely that we'll see Season 5.

  • July 6, 2007, 3:49 a.m. CST

    You know how to defeat TomBodet?

    by Bill Clay

    A: Ignore his tired Dalek joke for the thousandth time.

  • July 6, 2007, 3:56 a.m. CST

    Tate Love!!

    by Fixthe Fernback

    I am looking forward to Catherine as the new companion as I enjoyed the Runaway Bride. She is a good actress and has more to offer than Freema. Whilst I too was pining for Ms Sparrow, I think Mrs Tate will be an interesting addition.<P> Cant wait for Series 4, hopefully Russell is saving his best stuff 'till last.

  • July 6, 2007, 4:38 a.m. CST

    This is a bit strange ...

    by Shan

    ... Talkback after talback about the end of series 3 and beyond and then we loop back to the beginning again ...

  • July 6, 2007, 5:32 a.m. CST

    I think you might be right, V'Shael, (*gulp*)...

    by smellmycheese

    ... in which case it looks like we'll all have to lend Ms Tate and RTD our full support before and during season 4, continue watching and encourage others to do so as well. The thought of Who not being renewed and disappearing for another decade and a half doesn't bare thinking about.<br><br>I'd love to see a 5th series, and beyond, to see what another creative team could do with the show. If The League of Gentlemen got involved, headed by Mark Gatiss, then I'd definitely be happy!

  • July 6, 2007, 5:52 a.m. CST

    Enjoy it while it lasts...

    by DrManhattansUnit

    because next season has a companion whose presence is like scraping your fingernails down a blackboard. Forever.

  • July 6, 2007, 6:11 a.m. CST

    I think Tate is kinda sexy.

    by Jakes Nel

    In a white ghetto kinda way.

  • July 6, 2007, 6:15 a.m. CST

    I am beginning to think that this is all a bit of a

    by emeraldboy

    ploy. Russell T relaunch's Dr. who to massive Success. Christopher Eccelstone leaves the show over "typcasting" but turns up on Heroes a show which is liked/loathed equal measure. Billie Piper follows him a year later. There is a new dr. and assistant. Martha only lasts a year and tennant is due to leave after the 4th season. Martha is replaced by Cahtherine Tate. This sends some hardcore fans in apoplexic rage. Which leads me to think that this is Davies, killing his own creation. He knows that season three has been getting huge plaudits but he is getting tired and the actors have admitted that 9 month block shooting schedule is the fatigue inducing. Davies has said much the same thing. Even though it has done very well for the bbc comercially. Maybe its time to end dr who. They have all brought the show as far as they can. But if people spot a pair of pink speedos or flip flops on the sea devils, we will know what the reaction will be but davies will have moved on by then.

  • July 6, 2007, 6:19 a.m. CST

    I do think everyone should take a break after season 4.

    by Jakes Nel

    Too much of a good thing, you know? But a tv special every now and then would certainly be welcome.

  • July 6, 2007, 6:29 a.m. CST

    I can see Dr who

    by emeraldboy

    becoming a series of Mini movies.

  • July 6, 2007, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Yeah, I could live with that.

    by Jakes Nel

    The Beeb can continue making Dr Who Christmas Specials till the end of time.

  • July 6, 2007, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Who won't end any time soon...

    by knightrider

    The BBC have long sought after a comedy-drama to rule Saturday nights, and now they've got it... Doctor Who won't be going anywhere, Tate or no. It's the new Only Fools and Horses.

  • July 6, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST


    by Mr.Stabs

    To quote season 3 "He's like fire, and ice and rage. He's like the night and the storm and the heart of the sun. He's ancient and forever. He burns at the centre of time and he can see the turn of the universe". Nice.

  • July 6, 2007, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Dr Who will end when it stops making money...

    by Boba Fat

    Davis doesn't own the rights so it's not up to him. The BBC call the shots and if people stop watching and revenue drops it will disappear, again. People come and go because it's a huge career boost and they want to capitalise on that.

  • July 6, 2007, 8:04 a.m. CST

    "The Runaway Bride" -- **1/2; "Smith & Jones" -- ***1/2

    by SpyGuy

    "The Runaway Bride" is a bit of disappointment, especially after "The Christmas Invasion," most of it due to Catherine Tate's annoying-as-hell character, Donna Noble. The Empress of Racnoss is pretty impressive-looking, though, and you'll get to see who actually drained the Thames before Tim Story's FF: ROTSS flick. If nothing else, check it out for the great freeway chase and start listening for "Saxon" references. <p>Your best bet, however, is to hang in for "Smith and Jones." Despite Russell T. Davies fondness for writing the Tenth Doctor like a hypercaffeinated hummingbird, the first episode of Series Three is a solid introduction to new companion Martha Jones. Martha is a more mature and educated character than Rose Tyler and as a result, she complements the Doctor better than Rose (especially Series Two Rose) did. You get a great grasp of Martha's potential as a companion, which unfortunately, ends up mostly wasted as Series Three wears on. The Judoon, meanwhile, could have been silly Rhino creatures but their Judge Dredd depictions work well and actually bring something to the story. Part of me still wishes they turned out to be Sontarans, though...</p>

  • July 6, 2007, 8:04 a.m. CST


    by Phimseto

    "that charcter is a bit annoying but she does an ok job for a one off episode but wouldn’t want to see her every week." Famous last words.

  • July 6, 2007, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Can the people who think Tate was great

    by V'Shael

    Let us know exactly who they are, and what their position is within the BBC? <p> Just so we don't waste our time writing begging letters to you, pleading for you to see sense.

  • July 6, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Cathrine Tate

    by Chiziola79

    Is historys greatest monster and is as funny as cancer of the penis and a week in the Jail

  • July 6, 2007, 9:08 a.m. CST

    My gut feeling says no series 5

    by tylermo

    I believe the rumor, wherever it's coming from. I can just see Russell pulling out all the stops(probably for worse than better). We'll probably get a top notch episode or two from Gatiss and/or Moffat, and then on to these mini-movies. Maybe the thought is that the Beeb can pump more budget into one or two specials instead of an entire series. Even with RTD's warts, I rather have a series instead of one shots. I'd bet this rumor is true. What a shame. Makes you long(to some extent) for the low budget years(not all was perfect, but it continued for years and the stories and characterizations were many times great). Well, can't worry about something that hasn't happened yet, or might not be true. As for Runaway Bride just watched it again last night. Tate doesn't work for this Yank, the rehashed santas, or the pop culturey 2007 feel. That said, the spider queen was pretty good, sort of old school the way that tentacle hovered over the viewscreen. The tardis roadway sequence was also cool, and Tate was okay in the closing scene. As for Smith and Jones, great intro to Martha. The character seemed to be going places initially, and was sort of less effective later. Not Freema's fault. Probably writing, directing, etc. The episode was pretty decent, even for a RTD-penned outing. Totally felt the Judoon were to similar to/and should have been Sontarrans. Definately one of the better ep's this season. Not quite at the top, however.

  • July 6, 2007, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Runaway Bride is the worst episode of the new series.

    by CapnBob

    Catherine Tate isn't even the worst part. The dialog and acting for the Empress of the Racnoss would seem excessively cartoonish and hammy if it was part of a Power Rangers episode, nevermind Doctor Who.

  • July 6, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Runaway Bride ... Worse than Fear Her?

    by V'Shael


  • July 6, 2007, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Martha was the best in Smith & Jones after that less so

    by performingmonkey

    They got her right in Smith & Jones. She was intelligent, sexy, a great match for the Doctor, not hankering after him as much. But it went wrong. Her characterization got lost in the season. They just ended up writing her as any companion.

  • July 6, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Runaway bride question

    by RokurGepta

    when does the episode take place? more specifically, what episode takes place before, or after this christmas special? Is this after rose left? before? etc.

  • July 6, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Yes, worse than Fear Her.

    by CapnBob

    ...and Fear Her was pretty insipidly bad, but at least the antagonist in that episode had a REASON for talking like an annoying 8-year-old.

  • July 6, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Runaway bride answer

    by Mr.Stabs

    This episode follows on directly from the end of Doomsday, the finale of series 2. The following episode is Smith & Jones, the first episode of series 3.

  • July 6, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST

    "Fear Her" is better than "Evolution of the Daleks"

    by SpyGuy

    Don't get me wrong, both are pretty bad, but I'll take a possessed kid that can't act for shit over pig men and a gangster in a pinstripe suit with a Dalek for a head any day of the week.

  • July 6, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Runaway Bride was ok better than Fear Her...

    by Wldmk

    So was Last of the Time Lords, which may have been less climactic after the The Sound of Drum, but was well played to say the least. And for the sake of all things holy, lets not even discuss the horror that is "Love & Monsters"... I Personally don't see what's with all the Tate hate myself, i thought she played the character well enough and was certainly a refreshing break from Piper. As for Martha, it's already been confirmed that she'll be back in the 4th seasons second half (and after a 3-4 ep presence in Torchwood too), so there's no need to worry about Freema staying away. Lastly, I personally don't see the BBC being stupid as to cancelling after season 4, not unless the ratings next year take a massive dive - RTD may leave, but someone else will take over in such a scenario, hopefully Moffat....

  • July 6, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST


    by Meglos

    The UK's Sun is about as reputable as the Enquirer. Take news with grain of salt. The show makes the BBC bags and bags of money. It's not going to be cancelled any time soon.

  • July 6, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST


    by Meglos

    1. I don't think she's great. But I don't think she's awful either. And I'm seriously getting tired of the girl assistants swooning over everything the Doctor says. I don't see this happening with Tate's character. She played the part once (expecting never to play it again) in an ep that was supposed to be light Christmas fare. Can't we just wait and see. 2. I work in the BBC's "Angry Anorak Response" Division. You can write to me in care of "We'll never Get Anything Right Ever Ever" 22 Don't You Have Anything Better To Whinge About Lane, Bigglesworth, UK SW217

  • July 6, 2007, 11:11 a.m. CST

    "I do think everyone should take a break after season 4

    by Meglos

    Too much of a good thing, you know." Excellent reasoning, my man. By that logic, they should cancel Lost, Heroes, etc, etc. and just bring them back as occasional tv movies. You could be a network executive...

  • July 6, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST


    by smellmycheese

    I take your points. The Sun is hardly a reliable source of information but has been right a few times, at least to an extent, about some Doctor Who facts. I've no idea whether Dennis Hopper will be in series 4, for example, but as far as I know a 5th series hasn't been commissioned so on that one they are correct.<br><br>I also agree that Doctor Who is far too profitable to cancel. ITV has even tried to emulate its success while the BBC's own revamped Robin Hood is clearly an attempt to capture the Doctor Who audience.<br><br>I'd be very surprised to see Who disappear for good, too, but the reports of a gruelling shooting schedule, not to mention the relatively large SFX budget it must require to produce it (as opposed, say, to Only Fools - tho granted I imagine the salaries aren't quite so high), does suggest that there may be some truth in the "specials" rather than "series" rumour.<br><br>Catherine Tate: Yes, I too will give her the benefit of the doubt as I've said on the previous TBs. Donna will require a personality change, however<br><br> As for the "Angry Anorak Response" Division, Don't You Have Anything Better To Whinge About Lane comment... quite amusing but, yeah, here's something better that I'd rather whinge about... the fact that I'm forced to pay the BBC £135 a year (and rising!) and yet the only shows they produce nowadays that I watch are the news, Have I Got News For You and Doctor Who. In the meantime, the imbeciles who enjoy shitty singing/dancing/talent shows, reality TV, Jonathan Woss, Graham "ooh-hoo, look at me, I just said 'cock'" Norton, Casualty and East Enders are catered for day-in day-out, week-in week-out, month-in month-out. The 2 shows that I watch run for about 10 - 13 episodes a year each plus a Christmas special. Compare that to the 104+ hours of East Enders every year, which I also pay for despite never watching, and suddenly, yeah, you realise we do have something to whinge about. What's more, we're entitled to have an opinion and we're entitled to air them. <br><br>Usually if I don't like something I stop buying it. With the BBC I don't have any choice. So, for as long as they charge us for the things we don't watch, we'll be voicing an opinion on the things we don't like... and fucking about with Doctor Who... one of the few shows I do actually watch... is one of them.

  • July 6, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST

    "Love and Monsters" a new level of Bad?

    by DoctorTom

    It doesn't even approach the level of bad that you had with "The Twin Dilemna" or "Time and the Rani", or even "Horns of the Nimon". Sometimes you have to keep it in perspective. I have my doubts about Catherine Tate, but hope that she'll have had a personality change. We just don't need to go back to the JNT/Saward years of constant whining and bickering on the TARDIS. At least with the series so far (except for Catherine Tate) you felt like the people had a reason for wanting to travel on the TARDIS).

  • July 6, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Agreed about the Sun, but...

    by tylermo

    weren't they among the first to report Freema's departure a few months ago? And, maybe a few other Eccleston leaving. I may be wrong. And, even this Yank knows that the mag is only good for the tits on page 3. Not that big a deal, but we'll know soon enough I'm sure. Definately on board with those of you calling for Moffat, or somebody else. Also agree that Love and Monsters was worse than runaway bride. However, the Elton character would have made for a more palatable companion than Donna Noble. Don't get me wrong. He was no Turlough or Jamie, or Dugan. I know Dugan(the detective from City of Death) wasn't a companion, but he would have been good for a short while. The constantly punching people joke would have lost steam, but I still liked old Dugan.

  • July 6, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Some of the aforementioned old eps were bad

    by tylermo

    You're right. There were definately a few clunkers in the old days, but by and large, I'll put most of the old shows up against Runaway Bride, and maybe a few other mediocre new ones. Hell, even against some of the good new ones.

  • July 6, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    You do realize, cheese that smells,

    by Meglos

    that my "Angry Anorak" snark was directed to someone other than you - someone who's acting as if their entitled OPINION of Ms Tate was actually FACT?

  • July 6, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I know...

    by smellmycheese

    I was just sayin'. :-)

  • July 6, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    to batir

    by emeraldboy

    you are clearly racist. Why dont you start a campaign to bring the Black and minstrel shows back or God help us the comedians with the late Bernard Manning or the vile jim Davidson. Davidson is racist, homophobic and is sexist creep. and while we are at it why the hell doesnt this site have a moderator.

  • July 6, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST


    by Bloo

    I took that post to be sarcastic, in poor taste for sure (i'm white, have a bro that is hispanic and a sister that is black) but sarcastic and aimed at those who talk about/complain about the homosexual agenda on Dr. Who. I'm an American and only an occisonal watcher of Dr. Who, but have read enough TBs to make a logical guess that is what he is doing. Again, not raciest, but sarcastic and in poor taste

  • July 6, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Tegujai Batir well put.

    by Smashing

    Enjoy Who America, its bigotry free.

  • July 6, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    And Let the Bashing Restart

    by DarthDooku

    Just as the bashing tapers down for this very season over in the UK, it's sure to start up again here in the US. Although, as a US fan of the show, I actually think it's a lot better than most of the sci-fi stuff we have her. Including the last half of "Stargate SG-1," and most of "Starate Atlantis" that I've seen.

  • July 6, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST


    by Smashing

    You go gay.

  • July 6, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Well then, if he is being

    by emeraldboy

    sarcastic, i take back what i said. My bro is american, my father has american citizenship. So I kind of no what your talking. We are all democrat voters. My mother spent some time in the US with the old man. They drove through the US. From 1964-1969. Prior to that The old man spent ten years in america from 1951 to 1961. the his involvement with the Us army overseas, He was in the same troop unit as elvis presely, in germany, Was introduced to Louis Armstrong by the owner of the that years americas cup winning yacht. One day, while walking down fifth avenue, in New york, He saw Tony bennett, in a distinctive blue suit. My mother had a much cooler view towards to the americans. she could understand how such a great country could vote for bush. My brother was born after the moon landing. My parents watch it on tv. My father never got over bobby kennedys murder. I remember My mother telling me on november 22 1963, they had went to the pictures, that evening went they came out, they had no idea what was going on and everyone who had picked up a paper, just stopped. We are talking city center dublin, in 1963. With Everyone just standing there not saying anything. But the truth is starting to come out about that time, i think. Lastly one, day, in washington, My father camera in hand, went up to a gaurd and asked which way would the president be coming out of the white house. The king of romania was in town. to cut a long story short, The presidential car rolled to the front, it was nice day and the convertible part of the car was down and my father was about to take his picture and the camera jammed. That piture would have been worth something.

  • July 6, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST


    by Bloo

    that's a cool story and great background, I love knowing about the differences of diversity on this site and yet we are all movie lovers and some of the most opinated bastards on the web LOL...however regarding the moron above, after his 2nd post, I don't think he's being sarcastic I think he's a baiter and a troll, now I feel bad about even coming close to defending him.

  • July 6, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST


    by emeraldboy

    First of all, I am not black. I am irish born and bread. I dont have children. I am not married and I am not gay. I have seen all three series of RTD's Dr. who. I think He is operating from Equality Agenda, which he maybe being forced to go along with by the BBC. The other dr's Whos had no black people in them because black people were not allowed on tv. Lenny henry was one of three black people on tv in the seventies. Bernie williams, don warrington were the others. I think this all about quotas. Having queer'd up telly drama with queer as folk. Davies is on a mission. to diversify tv. You may not like and I bemoan the lack of disable people on tv as an outrage but for my own reasons. I reckon davies is being forced to do this. after all despite being hugely unfunny little britian can argue that they queer'd up the sketch show.

  • July 6, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    I remember about two years ago the now defunct

    by emeraldboy

    blair govt tried to get soap operas involved in something called britian moving forward and Itv were roped into this. Coronation Street did an episode, which ashley's wife Claire decided to clean up the red reck and got the whole street involved. This show was heavily advertised as being behind Britain Moving forward. One of the most powerful voices in commercial tv is Sir David Liddiment and wrote an article damning ITV for thier decision in getting behind a govt backed scheme. What some here are saying is that tv shows should not be used in a personal way to allow writers slay to thier demons. so to speak.

  • July 6, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST


    by emeraldboy

    I am off to see Die hard 4.0. Tomorrow. Been getting great reviews over here.

  • July 6, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    tegujai, your aim was high...

    by Bibo

    ...and I fear went over some heads in here. ToddBoddy's post "nice try" is 4 or 5 different kinds of wrong...unless it was a similarly ironic approach...or troll bait...if so it went over my head. The notion that children need to be shielded from the reality that GLBT people exist is sickening. And the assertion that racial integration must first have been earned by its supporters through struggle before it could be depicted on tv is a crock. The similar idea that RTD has to "get off his fat ass and hit the streets" to earn the right to depict characters like himself stinks like poopy. GLBT peeps exist, they have a right to inhabit the earth, and its tv shows. Maybe you don't like em and maybe you don't like Black women, but guess what? Well, you know what. And nipples=gay is a weak argument. Pretty much everybody has them. Is the whole world really gay? No. (But for the record, I hated nipples on Batman...because it was ridiculous.) Furthermore, I may be a bit behind on the Who (just saw Love and Monsters) but I'm not seeing any obvious gay-itude at all really. Was one of the tree people gay? The goopy toothy thing on the ceiling? The TARDIS? I missed it. Maybe the in-your-face homo fest is in my Netflix queue somewhere, but so far all this hub bub about the gay agenda on Who seems like much ado about nothing...which is also in my Netflix queue.

  • July 6, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST

    We are only putting another viewpoint across.

    by Smashing

    There are no rules being broken so what is the problem?, gay people have been denied a voice for quite a while in the media in terms of characterisation and expression, now things have changed, Doctor Who is a perfect place to let children know there parents views whilst there own to hold are not necessarily in line with where the world will be when they are grown.

  • July 6, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST

    What I find funny..

    by Hairy Nutsack that you guys continually tell us there's no gay agenda in Who and yet you view Who as the perfect means by which gays can more gain acceptance in the world. That ain't an agenda?<p> I'm not even saying that this is a bad thing, but stop pretending there's no intent here.

  • July 6, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    If heterosexuals do the same is it not human nature.

    by Smashing

    You continue to draw lines that are irrelevant, not wanting to killed or thought of as something they are not is in no way unnatural, if by simply existing you say its an agenda then your barmy.

  • July 6, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    I continue to ask for a list of gay moments...

    by ZeroCorpse

    I continue to ask for a list of these supposedly "gay moments" in the show. All I can ever find are winks, greetings, and the general information that "oh, yeah, Captain Jack is bisexual because everyone in his time period is." AND THAT IS ALL.<p> Some of you homophobes act like they're having boys kissing each other and playing grabass while dancing to Erasure tunes and "It's Raining Men." There are fewer homosexual moments than there are slobbering, touchy-feeling, and awkward hetero moments in this series. <p> So AGAIN I ask the RTD bashers and homophobes to post an actual list of each and every "gay infraction" that occurs on this show, because I've watched every episode twice and I haven't seen anything to get upset about. <p> As for the "gay agenda"-- It's the same as the straight agenda, I imagine; Being able to hold hands in public with someone you care about without being hassled for it. The only people making an issue of this sort of thing are the people who do the hassling. The people being hassled are just trying to live their lives like anyone else. <p> So post the list, guys. There's nothing to complain about, but be my guest--- Educate us as to all these totally queer moments on Doctor Who that are supposedly corrupting children's innocent minds and putting you off your lunch and making Jesus cry. PROVE IT. Give us a list and detail point-by-point how such-and-such moment is gay and how it forwards some "agenda" other than just showing the way some people in our society just happen to be in the real world.

  • July 6, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    "Racial equality was not won through children's..."

    by ZeroCorpse

    "Racial equality was not won through children's programming" <p> Oh really? So people didn't regard STAR TREK as a kids' show? Because that was the first interracial kiss on television. <p> And I suppose Sesame Street isn't children's programming either? I mean, back in the early days it was the first kids' show to feature White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, and other people all together in one place, learning the same lessons together. (Incidentally, Sesame Street also had a gay character later on). <p> Oh, and The Electric Company had a multi-racial cast as well.<p> Both of those shows were revolutionary in their early days. Before Sesame Street there were no major kids' shows that presented people of all races living together in the same place, in harmony, without racial stereotypes. <p> I'd say racial equity was maybe not WON through children's programming, but there were a lot of us who were little tykes in those days when segregation wasn't too far in the past (and still existed in some corners of the country) and it was almost scandalous to consider showing white people and black people holding hands or hugging on a KIDS SHOW, and to us, Sesame Street and The Electric Company showed us a world where the bigotry of our parents was ignored in favor of people treating each other decently, and we liked it. We grew up to be non-racist in part because of Sesame Street showing us that people of other colors and cultures are not to be feared or hated--- It showed us they were just like us. They had families, and loved each other, and liked doing fun things, and just wanted to be treated fairly.<p> You know... Just like gay people.<p> You Are A Bigot. This isn't about "protecting children" or anything benevolent. This is about you fearing and hating that which is different from your own lifestyle, and wanting to keep it off the public airwaves because it offends YOU and your backwards point of view.<p> You would have been a racist just fifty years ago, arguing the same things-- "We have to keep our kids from seeing these colored people mixing with whites on TV. It's disgraceful." <p> Call it whatever makes you feel justified, jerk. The rest of us see through your tidy disguise and recognize you as a bigot.

  • July 6, 2007, 7:01 p.m. CST

    As I continue to ask the gay community...

    by spud mcspud

    Whether they are happy to be portrayed the way RTD portrays them in Dr Who and Torchwood?<P> Do all gay people exist solely to break up stable relationships (Gwen/random lesbian in Torchwood)? Do they have to interject "But of course you know I'm with someone of the SAME SEX" into every second sentence (a la old lady lesbians in Gridlock)? Are they ALL raving exhibitionists (a la Capt Jack in Long Game)? Do they ALL swear, smoke and fuck CONSTANTLY (as in Torchwood) so as to tell the world that they're "adult and edgy, yeah!"<P> Like I said. Gay relationships are portrayed more realistically in Eastenders and Hollyoaks than in Doctor Who and Torchwood. Smashing - RTD is telling all of we uneducated straights that gay people are incapable of keeping a stable, respectful relationship(Torchwood), they are all either major exhibitionists (Captain Jack) or obsessed with sex 24/7 (everyone in Torchwood) and that the way to show homosexual relationships as progressive is for everyone to act as if they are 14 years old and trying to piss off Mum and Dad (everyone in Torchwood).<P> RTD is shit at writing homosexual relationships in sci-fi. Which confuses me as he does it brilliantly in post-watershed drama (Queer As Folk). Am I the only one wondering why this is?<P> Hairy Nutsack - Fucking genius! "There's no gay agenda in Who - but thanks to the gay stuff in Who EVERY BIGOT IN THE UK WILL ACCEPT US FOR WHAT WE ARE! But this isn't an agenda. Not even a little bit."<P> It's not even hard to see through.<P> As I say - watch Hollyoaks for a respectful homosexual relationships that is being developed in an understanding and respectful way, with intelligence and care. Totally NOT the RTD way of writing.<P> Tegujai Batir - Well done! That was your first well-reasoned, intelligent, even funny post!<P> There may be hope for you yet. But I doubt it.

  • July 6, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    "Some of you homophobes act like they're having boys kissing each other and playing grabass while dancing to Erasure tunes and "It's Raining Men." There are fewer homosexual moments than there are slobbering, touchy-feeling, and awkward hetero moments in this series."<P> so NOBODY on these talkbacks has complained about how fed up they are hearing the Doctor mooning on about how much he misses Rose? No-one has said Martha hasn't had a fair crack at being a great companion because RTD keeps making the season arc "Doctor Ignores Martha As He's Not Over Rose"? Nobody's fed up of stupidly awkward dialogue like "I remade Torchwood, in your honour!" (some honour - he's dedicated a swingers' secret agent club to a 900-year old Time Lord...). NOBODY has said that they think ANY sexual agenda - gay, straight or bi - should be kept out of the relationship between the Doctor and his Companions?<P> You should go back and read the OTHER comment people are making about sex in this show - not just those of we "bigots".<P> Again - the guy is 900 years ols. Everything he wanted to fuck, he would have fucked like now. Gay or straight, this is a kids' show about monsters and aliens - why the fuck is the sex angle even in this show?<P> Let the kids watch Hollyoaks. There's a decent gay subplot going on in it RIGHT NOW.

  • July 6, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Who gives a fuck about gays in Dr who anyway?

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Who fucking cares if there are Gays in Dr Who and how they are portrayed? <p> Watch Cruising sometime. <p> I'm waiting for the movie plot of Gays turning straight. Every gay plot revolves some straight suddenly turning Gay. Time to reverse that shit. <p> Why does it matter just how Gays are written on Dr Who? It isn't defining the style or direction of Homosexuality. <p>Lou Fucking Read sums it up best. <p>But you know people get emotional <p>And sometimes they just don't act rational <p>They think they're just on TV - <p>sha la la la, man

  • July 6, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Why not re-air classic Dr Who?

    by EvilWizardGlick

    With all the Dr Who buzz, why isn't anyone re-airing classic Who? <p> I've been re-watching as much as I can find on the net. <p> Sadly it seems that much of the Hartnell/Troughton episodes are incomplete and pieced together with stills.

  • July 6, 2007, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Shameless on Sundance S1e1!

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Sundance is running Shameless. <p> One of the BEST tv shows in modern history.

  • July 6, 2007, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Its about time the Dr. had an annoyoing companion

    by Larry of Arabia

    One he won't get rid of because he's lonely, but gets on his nerves something fierce.

  • July 6, 2007, 8:54 p.m. CST

    That Sucked!

    by skydemon

    The TARDIS car chase and the Brides very Nice Boobies, were the only two things that kept "Runaway Bride" from being a total waste of time. Hope things get better than this crap. Not watched Smith and Jones yet, I'll reserve judgment on that until I have.

  • July 6, 2007, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Zero Corpse and Glick...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Zero I would agree with you that there hasn't been that much gay stuff on Who, but there has been some, and I think it's all been when Jack's around. But I'm starting agree with Spud more and more that they should just drop romance of all types on the show, except for the Girl in the Fireplace and Family of Blood, all of the romance has been campy soap opera.<p> Glick, I second your call for Classic Who to be rerun. I've also been trying to catch up on the net but stopped watching when halfway through the first Dalek encounter the Hartnell episodes' sound tracks were off by 2 seconds. I just can't watch a show like that.

  • July 6, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Gayness in Dr Who.....

    by dick splash

    By the end of the 3rd series you'll all want to bum Tennant. I'm just warning you now so it doesn't surprise you later.

  • July 6, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Wow! Tate is one Chunky Monkey!

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Having just watched the Bride episode, SHE'S going to be the new companion next season? Are you kidding me?! Hell, even for only a half season, till Martha comes back, she needs a drastic personality change -- I mean, talk about a truly ANNOYING asshole character that you DON'T want to spend any time with. Not to mention she's one seriously chunky monkey who needs to get on a Slim Fast diet ASAP.<p>Dear BBC from an American viewer: You know, maybe you didn't get the memo, but there's this little thing in TV casting called "likeability" and "sexiness" -- NEITHER of which Catherine Tate has. If I were you, I'd SERIOUSLY rethink ANY idea of having her be a companion beyond a one episode guest visit. And even THAT would be painful to watch.<p>Wow! Seriously, after suffering through BRIDE, I can't believe THIS is who they decided should be the next companion, even for a bit. She's horrible!

  • July 6, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST

    THAT Catherine Tate? Seriously? Whaaa?!

    by The Swedish Chef

    I've not seen the Runaway Bride special, although I have watched most of all three series so far, and when you all say that Catherine Tate is supposed to be the new companion, are you referring to the one with the annoying sketch show? If so, what could they have been smoking?

  • July 6, 2007, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Just figured out why Catherine Tate is coming back...

    by Kelvington

    it's simply cheaper to re-hire her because her name is already in the titles for the Xmas special, than to hire a new actress and have to regenerate new title sequences. I should have known.

  • July 7, 2007, 1:02 a.m. CST

    What happened to Harry Potter lady?

    by INWOsuxRED

    I thought she wanted to do some Who once she finished her silly magic books. That would instantly raise the profile of Who globally, and would get plenty of media in England too. If whats-her-face isn't available, I don't see how BBC couldn't find people willing to be involved with running Who, even if they have to change season-to-season. RTD did some things right, but it seems right now there is as much or more room for improvement as there is for things to go wrong. It seems almost impossible to me that BBC couldn't make money off this show, which is a catelog show that they should be able to milk for decades. They need to take their heads out of their asses and PARTNER with sci-fi. Get sci-fi to pony up some cash up front for the episodes in exchange for being able to air the show without everyone getting it from torrents. Sell the old series to sci-fi for dirt cheap and at least make SOME money off that stuff instead of ZERO money. Better production values from added revenue = a more marketable show globally with a more bankable shelf life. BBC seems determined to not make this show the cash cow it should be. Of course an out-of-control RTD combined with Tate could whipe out a huge portion of the fan base and make most of my suggestions pointless.

  • July 7, 2007, 1:13 a.m. CST

    How Tate should be done - SPOILERS, USA PEOPLE!

    by INWOsuxRED

    Outside of the reset button, the Master still had quite a bit of time to mess around with the TARDIS before installing the paradox whats-it. Before that, the Doctor fried the navagation system. Its not like the Doctor can take the TARDIS home to get it fixed, and he has a history of not being able to keep his TARDIS in working order(just the fact that it is always a blue call box means he still doesn't have it working). The Titanic scene should be an indication the Tardis is messed up too. So the Doctor should get stuck with Tate accidentally and from there, the messed up TARDIS shouldn't be able to get back to drop her off. The Doctor should not want her as a companion and should not invite her to be a companion at all. He should be working actively to get rid of her. People that like her will be fine with her there, people that don't will at least be able to watch and root for the Doctor to finally get things on track and get rid of that hag.

  • July 7, 2007, 2 a.m. CST

    HEY, YOU GA-YS!!!...

    by smellmycheese

    ... (spoken like Sloth from The Goonies)... FFS, will you put a sock in it?!!!<br><br>So far this week you've hijacked every single fucking Doctor Who TalkBack with your anti-hetero / pro-gay defensiveness. Give it a fucking rest! Nobody cares THAT there's gay characters in Doctor Who - it's the way that they're PORTRAYED that people are having a gripe about!!! You want to know what I mean by that? Well, here's a few of my postings from the last TB which have been largely ignored by the prolific gay TBers here... <br><br>===============<br> We're told time and again, by some, that Doctor Who is a kids show, which is why we should not be so critical of its (or RTD's) failings. Well, I'm afraid that you can't be a kids show AND have inappropriate sexual references, such as blow-jobs from paving slabs and randy companions (irrespective of their sexuality).<br><br> I think it's great that gay characters are now prominently featured in "children's" TV shows, the problem I have is this...<br><br>Rose loved the Doctor, the Doctor (we believe) loved Rose. Sarah Jane loved the Doctor. Mickey loved Rose. Sally Sparrow loved her boyfriend, and he loved her. The female captain in "42" loved her husband, as he loved her. In "Human Nature / Family of Blood", Joan loved John Smith, as he loved her. In "Daleks in Manhattan", Tallulah loved her boyfriend, as he loved her... you see where I'm going with this???<br><br>The closest thing I can recall to these relationships, from a homosexual angle, in Doctor Who are the elderly lesbians in "Gridlock", which I think was beautifully executed. Jack Harkness, on the other hand, likes to fuck. He like to fuck men and he like to fuck women. He'll try it on with anyone and doesn't care who knows it.<br><br>At the expense of sounding like a boring old fart, I'm happy for "childrens shows" to feature romantic relationships between anyone, irrespective of age, race or sexuality. Sex, on the other hand, is a different matter... <br>===============<br> Hairy Nutsack writes "What I refuse to teach my children is that a self-indulgent sexual lifestyle of any kind is healthy, it's not".<br><br>I reply...<br><br> absolutely, my friend, and I'll be doing the same. Someone should tell RTD that so he introduces some homosexual characters into Who with a bit of integrity. All he's doing is fuelling the stigma surrounding gay men, rather than highlighting the fact that two men may actually want more from a relationship than just regular fucking. Then again, I could be wrong. Maybe that's all it's about, I wouldn't know, though I'd hope not... <br>===============<br><br> And I'll conclude with what Spud wrote on the other TB... "there isn't really any kind of mutually respectful gay relationship for those young gay children watching to relate to". <br><br> Nobody is saying that "gays are ok on TV/Doctor Who as long as they behave like straight people" ... what people ARE saying, however, is that children should be taught about LOVE and RELATIONSHIPS through children's / family programming, irrespective of their sexuality! You remember Sam Malone from 'Cheers'? He was as straight as they come and HE wouldn't make a good Doctor Who companion either!! <br><br> All that most of the people here want, from new Doctor Who, is well rounded characters, engaging sci-fi storylines and consistently well written scripts. THAT'S IT!<br><br>And that is all I have to say on the matter.

  • July 7, 2007, 2:10 a.m. CST

    INWOsuxRED - brilliant idea!!!

    by smellmycheese

    "the Doctor should get stuck with Tate accidentally and from there, the messed up TARDIS shouldn't be able to get back to drop her off. The Doctor should not want her as a companion and should not invite her to be a companion at all. He should be working actively to get rid of her. People that like her will be fine with her there, people that don't will at least be able to watch and root for the Doctor to finally get things on track and get rid of that hag."<br><br> - that is absolutely inspired!!! Not only would that be a great little twist but could also prove very funny indeed. Some actual, genuine comedy moments. She doesn't want to be there, he doesn't want her to be there but they're stuck with each other. The season story arc will be trying to get her home - Quantum Leap style - with both being frustrated that the TARDIS isn't getting anywhere close to where they want it to be. It may also, hopefully(!), take us away from early, early 21st Century London. I'm in full support of that idea. Suddenly, Catherine Tate doesn't sound too bad...

  • July 7, 2007, 3:36 a.m. CST

    sara jane adventures

    by drunkenmonkey73

    starting when? Never seen any trailers for this or heard anything about it.

  • July 7, 2007, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Doctor Who and 21st Century London

    by RokurGepta

    Why is it, that for the last 3 season, Doctor Who seems to spend most of his bloody time in soddy London?

  • July 7, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Thanks, but it was a bit too late

    by Circean6

    Can you post this info a day or two before transmission? I can't set a DVR from work...thanks!

  • July 7, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Jack Likes To Fuck...

    by ZeroCorpse

    So did Han Solo and Lando Calrissian. The both greeted women the same way Jack greets everybody... But you all LOOOOOVE the charming rogue character when he's straight, don't you? <p> And you're all saying "no sex or romance in the show at all, then" kind of like "Then I'll take my ball and go home!" -- If you can't have purely hetero romance, then you don't want ANY romance at all! <p> Look, if it were Rose that were bisexual, and raising her eyebrows and flirting with girls, you'd all be jerking off waiting for her to kiss a girl. Your whole problem is that you just don't seem to be able to deal with the very THOUGHT that Captain Jack wants to fuck everybody who looks halfway decent. Your problem seems to be male-male relationships, and that, my friends, is just your homophobia rearing its ugly little head. <p> Really. . . If Martha met Rose and the two of them fell for each other, you'd all be foaming at the mouth waiting for them to get touch each other, family show or not. <p> Anyway, if all this sex on the telly is bothering you, then GET OFF.

  • July 7, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    Smith and Jones, More like it

    by skydemon

    Like Freema Agyeman a lot.

  • July 7, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Listen, I'm gonna say it!

    by skydemon

    Gay crap on TV I don't watch! Period.

  • July 7, 2007, 11:11 a.m. CST

    gay homophobe children's show bullshit

    by INWOsuxRED

    there were like 6 Doctor Who talkbacks this week. Can you pricks pick one, and ONLY one of them to be your gay vs straight vs whatever battle ground and leave the rest of us to talk about the actual show? Thanks.

  • July 7, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Torchwood ever showing in USA?

    by Dazzler69

    I thought it would be on over here by now. I liked Cap'n Jack.

  • July 7, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    My fellow Americans

    by RokurGepta

    why the fuck are you so biggoted?

  • July 7, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Shirley Henderson is the best thing about

    by Seph_J

    the entire history of Doctor Who. It marks the first time I ever wanked during an episode of Dr Who. They should regrow her body, suck her head off of that paving slab, and make her the new companion. She is.... my girl. If only. God, life sucks without her...

  • July 7, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Torchwood's Allegedly on BBC America this fall

    by atomheartbrother

    And Martha Jones is the bomb.

  • July 7, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    you can't say 'the bomb'...... its gotta be 'da bomb' or nothing.

  • July 7, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    da bears

    by RokurGepta

    are da bomb

  • July 7, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    So smell my cheese its the ways the gays are portrayed.

    by Smashing

    I thought it was the fact they where making Doctor Who too gay, so now you claim its portrayal, right so as a straight man you can see how we gay men are not portraying ourselves correctly, er fuck off, your doing the pseudo bollox justification of bigotry again, "its not the black character, its the way she is written" transparent and sad. INWO if you fucking breeders stop flaming the queers we will stop answering, we like sci fi too you know, that's why we are here, back to sadly Smell my Cheese, you are trying too hard to let everyone know how cool you are with gays, and resort to quoting that moron hairy who believes that all gay lifestyle is about is sucking cock and getting Aids, grow up the pair of you, your snide sounding abuse is even worse than flat out flaming as you are still trying to justify your behaviour, unless I am wrong new Who is not pushing kids into believing gay sex is great, its saying gay people are not evil, like your thicko parents might want you to believe, if you taught them the truth in the first place we would not need tp re-educate them would we. Go cast the stones from your own eyes before telling others they have them.

  • July 7, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Smell My Cheese interestingly has selective memory.

    by Smashing

    Why not use Hairy Nutsacks other quote the one equating the gays to nothing more than aids victims who want to suck cock, that's a real insight into where he is really coming from, why not quite yourself where you said to him how disjointed you where in him for saying that, not for thinking it, but because "gays like smashing will jump all over it", those quotes are way more revealing than the selective phrases you have used above.

  • July 7, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    So we have to put a sock in it.

    by Smashing

    Smell my cheese can write a semi book on how gay people are wrong to defend the gay basing in Who and preface it with a shut the fuck up for gay people, uh-oh, sounds like someone is living in the past, why on Earth would insulting us make us silent?, try engaging rather that preaching them we will maybe fall silent, like you say I have posted in every Who talkback going, like I normally do, what you really meant was that after 3 years of reading your teenage like moaning about homosexuality, I took of my gloves and spanked you, Hairy and Spud McThick back into the dark ages, funnily where your attitudes belong. So we are to be quiet not defend ourselves against your constant, and quite BNP like justification of homosexuality, "we do not hate you, we want to ensure you are looked after you" interesting words, sadly demolished by your own telling us to shut the fuck up, stop flaming Doctor Who for having both homosexual writers, directors, cast and crew for being gay and making the show a bit gay when its fucking made by us. You make football and no one bemoans it excessive heterosexuality, even though half the players are clearly gay too, they have to hide there lives to appease thick people. Jealous much?

  • July 7, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Also for once reply to ZeroCorpse.

    by Smashing

    Go on, use your spin to explain why ladies men everywhere are beloved by children yet a gay character from the same cloth is so reclusive, go on, answer that.

  • July 7, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST


    by RokurGepta

    are strange, people are people. We are the world, we are the children... bla bla bla make the world a better place so keep on given I think the cookies are working....

  • July 7, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Smashing ?????

    by Hairy Nutsack

    For fuck's sake, where did I say anything even remotely close to what you're attributing to me now? Stop projecting your own insecurities on me because I don't believe any of the shit you just accused me of.

  • July 7, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Hairy yes you did, In the other Who post.

    by Smashing

    After you said it Smell My Cheese even said it was a bit much, he also said I would jump all over it and I never, i will try and find it to quote to you but it went something along the lines of "so if I do not want to teach my kids it is normal to suck cock through glory holes and catch diseases I am a bad father" or words to that effect.

  • July 7, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Okay hairy full quote a Rama right here.

    by Smashing

    "So you suggest I teach my children that a normal, healthy, heterosexual lifestyle is not superior to getting blown through a gloryhole in the local pub? Keep dreaming mate", okay my bad about the aids bit but you did bring it up in another post, do I need to go quote that too?, so I am not projecting my own insecurities onto you, cue your clever psychology being full of LA holes, what else could you be wrong about if you got this simple assessment of my posting psychology wrong?, hmm your closet screamer tendencies are showing either way dude.

  • July 7, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    ToddBoddy - Says it all really

    by spud mcspud

    "A MAJORITY of homosexuals reject the stereotype that they are promiscious, irresponsible, narcissistic, flamboyant ne'er-do'wells, yet these are the characteristics RTD chooses to emphasize in Who and Torchwood. Conservative Ann Coulter denounced homosexuality as narcissistic (men loving other men as a proxy for loving themselves) and what does RTD do? HE HAS JACK HARKNESS GET IT ON WITH JACK HARKNESS... talk about playing into a stereotype. That Torchwood episode set gay rights BACK a century, despite what people may think. It *IS* important for children to recognize GLBT people as "not scary" (as someone above smartly said), but RTD is not accomplishing that by emphasizing stereotypical "bad behavior" by his gay leads, or by further fetishizing drag queen icons like Kylie or Tate. Nor did Joel Schumacher accomplish anything but turning HIMSELF on by putting nipples on a Batman costume. If RTD had Freema Agyeman adopting negative elements of Black culture like gangster rap, calling other Blacks "niggas" and referring to herself as a "ho" then there would be outrage. That outrage would be well-placed, too, and would not be a denouncement of Black as a whole. One can criticize negative elements of gay culture without being homophobic, and can criticize negative elements of Black culture without being racist, and can criticize Israeli politics without being anti-semitic. Labeling someone a "bigot" without understanding the deeper issues is just lazy."<P> Couldn't agree with you more. Still not understanding why the representatives for the gay community on this TB are actually happy to be portrayed the way they are on new Who by RTD. He's making them all look like sex-obssessed adolescent morons, and still he's defended. I just don't get it.

  • July 7, 2007, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Well It's kind Of Interesting To See.....

    by Real Deal

    That the gay bashing, homophobic, talkback crashers aren't having as easy a time when Who is being shown in the states! Kind of heartwarming.

  • July 7, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Next companion should be a red hot Thai Shemale

    by Big Dumb Ape

    I say if the show wants to be more sexual as well as a showcase for alternative lifestyles, then make the next companion a red hot asian shemale from Thailand.<p>You know, one of those Katoeys that you see and THINK is an insanely hot woman, who gives you an immediate erection and you WANT to get home and into bed...only once you get there and she lifts her skirt, you're in for a big surprise.<p>There, that should settle the whole straight versus gay debate. Now its a win-win all around and in terms of "what" you want to see onscreen, each side got what they wanted!<p>Now let's cut the sex crap and get back to discussing how they're going to make this a better show -- and having Catherine Tate around for any length of time is NOT an acceptable answer. For crying out loud, if they needed to fill time till Martha returns, why the hell couldn't they just bring back Sarah Jane? Her guest episode with K9 was great and actually warm and touching -- in short, that episode was everything that BRIDE and Tate were not.

  • July 7, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    I read a quote from the head

    by manicart1

    I read a quote from the head of drama (I think) at the BBC promising us that Doctor Who will be around for many years to come. I can't see why the BBC would drop Doctor Who in the near future as the franchise has netted them over 100 million pounds in overseas sales alone. RTD will probably leave but I can't see him wanting to pick up his ball and take it with him- the show is bigger than him. The principal cast memebers come and go because British television is not like American television, where cast members get paid the equivalent of Columbia's national deficit just to saty on board for a few years. DT was on the point of cracking Hollywood by the time Who came along and the only reason we've had him for this long is because he loves the show so much- but somewhere deep down he's got to be wondering what opportunities he might be missing by staying on Doctor Who. Billie Piper also got out before she became too sinonymous with Who. It's depressing to see all this talent flit through the show to use it as a springboard for their careers but at the end of the day they've got to worry about where the next job's coming from. And I'll tell you, if I was an actor theres no way I'd want my professional future to involve sitting in the Birmingham NEC signing 20 year old photos of yourself for sweaty geeks (like me). Love or hate what RTD's done with Doctor Who he HAS made it into one of the most popular shows in the country and you have to respect that if you're a fan. I think the real litmus test will be when Who comes under new management after next year--THEN will be the time where we can start stroking our beards and ask 'what is to be done with this Doctor fellow'. Of course, this is assuming that the show survives the casting of Catherine Tate as a companion. After an initial sense of horror I'm willing to reserve my judgement until I watch the new series but I am dreading it a bit now. Next year will definately be the year when the critics start savaging the show. They tried to this year but found to their frustration that the show came back better and more popular than ever. Catherine Tate is NOT popular with the chattering classes. Personally I don't like her show, but I think there may be something about her. She kind of reminds me of a female version of Andy Millman from 'Extras'; someone who is revilled for making lowest common denominator crap which disguises a genuinely great talent. Maybe we will see some hidden pathos of the kind that made 'Human Nature' one of the all time great Who storylines but I fear Tate's casting represents a slide into a general tone of Wacky Humour. It's a big gamble, so lets hopw it doesn't turn into Russian Roulette. I think the show would benefit from a longer break between seasons when season 4 ends this time next year. That way season 5 could debut in the autumn of 2009 rather than in the spring when all the good weather begins! The fact that Doctor Who can already pull in 9 million viewers on a Saturday night in June is remarkable. Having said that the summer weather in Britain has been piss poor so far this year. My feeling is that we'll get at least two more seasons and then probably a feature film. The Christmas specials are probably going to become a permanent fixture of the yuletide schedule just like Only Fools and Horses did. But remember, OFAH ran for about 130 seasons before becoming an annual trip only! The special effects of each new season are always an improvement on the last and in a few years time I think the BBC will actually be able to take on Hollywood. I think that was always their plan anyway- one of the reasons the original series was pulled was because they wanted to make "Doctor Who--the Motion Picture". Oh, and from now on whenever I see a man and a woman flirt with each other or kiss on a primetime tv show can I moan about the "Straight Agenda"? Just sayin'.

  • July 7, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Okay, about that...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    I get why you'd bristle at that but the hostility in that post erupted from a heated conversation in another thread. So you got me there, but it's not what I believe.<p> I'll stand by what I said later about healthy heterosexual relationships being superior to all others though, and I will teach my children just that.

  • July 7, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    "I wouldn't want to sign 20-year-old photos of myself"

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Manicart1, you said "And I'll tell you, if I was an actor theres no way I'd want my professional future to involve sitting in the Birmingham NEC signing 20 year old photos of yourself for sweaty geeks (like me)."<p>See, that's one thing I disagree with. On the one hand, I can understand how some actors would just love to bounce from one job to another, or have the opportunity to do all sorts of roles to appease their inner muse -- not to mention really, really hoping that they can make a career out of acting fulltime. But then again, let's be honest: odds are that's a truly slim chance. There's always that infamous statistic that the Screen Actors Guild tosses out that they actually only have something like, what, a bare 6% or so of union memmbers -- some REALLY low number like that -- who can actually say that they make a living fulltime as an actor (versus having to supplement their income by working in real estate or as the classic waiter or some such thing, where THAT'S really their fulltime job when you come down to it).<p>Personally, its the people who DON'T want to go to a conventions 20 years later and sign autographs that turn me off. What are they so miserable about? Get the stick out of your ass and just be grateful. Hell, compared to people who work seriously hard, classic blue collar type jobs their entire life, what are actors being so snobby about?<p>Two nice examples I can think of: First, I recently met Alan Young, who starred as Wilbur Post in the classic MR ED TV show while old school sci fi geeks will also remember him for his bit role in the George Pal version of THE TIME MACHINE. I tell you, the guy was just all-out nice and true class, and he seemed genuinely happy to just be out and talking to fans. He was more than happy to just sit and talk about the MR ED show, his career, and it was obvious he recognized that it was a One in a Million thing that he actually DID star in a show that (1) lasted several years and paid his bills at the time, setting him up for life and (2) he was doublely blessed by being in a show that's still on the air 40 years later and is STILL making people laugh. So I really appreciated that he had the class to have a wider appreciation of things.<p>Which makes me think of the other person whose attitude I've always like, which is Jonathan Frakes, who geeks of course know as Commander Riker from TREK: NEXT GEN. When I met him in person he was a total blast, just came off as a really great guy, and in an interview he gave someone asked him flat out if he was afraid of being typecast in the role, of being stuck forever in Star Trek, and if he was afraid of becoming like William Shatner.<p> To which Frakes replied "God, I should be so LUCKY as to have William Shatner's career. What are you kidding me? I'd jump on that in a heartbeat."<p>So maybe it's just me, but I really prefer those actors who don't run from what they did, who don't run from a show or a role that actually GAVE them their fan base. Sure, I can appreciate how they might feel if some fans get TOO geeky or slobbery or dweeby over things, but for the most part I just think alot of these actors should be thanking God that they won the lottery (so to speak) to even BE in something that stood the test of time -- or was hot for a bit, so they at least GOT a moment's time in the sun -- and that it put some coin in their pocket as well.<p>Hey, maybe its me getting older and more philosophical, but I do look at it as a "growing old and graceful" kind of thing. Sure, it's easy to be the snobby hot looking young stud or starlette and think you're the shit and will be the shit forever...but when you're 60 and older and grayer and wrinkled and certainly far less trim, my guess is -- given the inherent artistic ego -- most actors will wind up WISHING that someone would still want their autograph 20 years down the road...

  • July 7, 2007, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Big Dumb Ape

    by manicart1

    You know, you're right. I did go to the Birmingham NEC a few years ago and there met Nicholas Courtney (the Brigadier) and he was a great bloke. Sci Fi is a unique genre in that the fans recognise and respect talent many years down the line. You certainly won't find conventions for ex-soap opera character actors anywhere. Getting paid for what is effectively a day of receiving hero worship can't be half bad either.

  • July 7, 2007, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Jack Harkness IS NOT GAY...

    by ZeroCorpse

    And trust me, bisexuals do tend to be motivated by sexuality. Not as a rule, but just as a general guideline. So all your pap about "gay culture does not like to be portrayed" is only so much smoke being blown up our asses to cover your disdain for something that offends YOU, personally. <p> I'll thank you not to speak for other people and define what characters do and don't offend their sensibilities.

  • July 7, 2007, 9:21 p.m. CST


    by INWOsuxRED

    yeah, that would be a tragedy to know that if I want to, when I'm old I'll be invited to stay in fancy hotels around the world with free travel, IF I WANT TO, or IF I MIGHT NEED THE EXTRA MONEY. That sounds more like free insurance than a curse.

  • July 8, 2007, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Actually ZeroCorpse...

    by nonsensical

    Jack Harkness IS gay. The real Jack Harkness that is. At least that's according to the episode in Torchwood. Still, the Time Agent, "Jack Harkness" is Bi... and oh how great this character is should be noted everytime we talk about him. <p> Brilliant. Simply Brilliant. Especially as the season goes on and in the last three of this particular season he is amazing. <p> This show is utterly fantastic and I can't wait for seasons four and five with the astounding David Tennant.

  • July 8, 2007, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Who can survive without RTD...

    by lynxpro

    After all, it has survived RTD's worst scripts so far. I'd say it is downright bulletproof.

  • July 8, 2007, 2:18 a.m. CST


    by INWOsuxRED

    it has been cancelled before, and it will be cancelled again someday. Hopefully it at least runs for a few decades like it did last time, but it certainly isn't bullet proof.

  • July 8, 2007, 2:28 a.m. CST

    yes, bulletproof...

    by lynxpro

    The only thing proven to kill *Doctor Who* is Andrew Cartmel and American Fox Television executives. Oh yeah, and Michael Grade. Michael Grade is out of the picture, Cartmel is being fed by the Salvation Army, and *Doctor Who* is not on Fox in America, so it sounds pretty safe to me!

  • July 8, 2007, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Doctor Who is IMMORTAL

    by RokurGepta

    and the TARDIS is bulletproof, it's also bigot proof too.

  • July 9, 2007, 12:33 a.m. CST

    The new companion hottie!!!

    by Ka Dargo

    Thats a damn fine replacement for rose. She's very purdy!!!

  • July 9, 2007, 7:02 a.m. CST


    by RokurGepta

    I am hoping that one bright shiny happy day, there will be a beautiful sexy female lesbian doctor....

  • July 9, 2007, 7:03 a.m. CST

    lol at myself

    by RokurGepta

    for typing my name is the subject line

  • July 9, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Freema was brilliant as Martha Jones loved her family

    by CrichtonAstronut

    too. Definitely looking forward to the season. Smart sexy. I was just thinking about the windows i buildings not being airtight when she pointed it out, impressing the Doctor. Loved her "You have to earn that title" line. And "That was nothing?" "What are we charged with Tresspassing on the moon." "You flew all the way across the universe to ask me out on a date." "A pleasure, Mr. Smith." Playing referee to her family's feuds Really looking forward to the this season.