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In case you haven't seen 'em... Indy and son take a pleasant ride!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. This last weekend saw many pics hit the web from the shooting of INDIANA JONES 4. I have a few to share from AICN readers, but if you want a closer, clearer look at Shia LaBeouf's pompadour you can check out the justjared gallery.
Here are some of the pics we've been sent by readers in the area, mostly anonymous contributors, but the first three come from "Brokenring." Thanks guys!
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Had to happen sometime...
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Ah well. I'm still excited.
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is a student organizer against the Reds? Or is he a sympathizer?
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theres better pics kicking around than these. officially stoked for Indy 4 though.
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Don't show too much of this please. I wanna look away, but can't.
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...yeah, the justjared link. my bad.
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Great, another movie in which the action hero blows up everything BUT Shia LaBoeuf.
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Hooray!
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I kind of hope Transformers fails just so he gets blamed. He will ruin Indiana Jones I hope he dies somehow and it makes Ford kick some serious Soviet ass!
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SNAKES!!
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Can't wait.
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still, the kid's got charm
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Jul 02, 2007 1:37:58 AM CDT
So does anyone have any idea what the story is?
by allpowerfulwizardofoz
Other then his song being involved? And is the the mother Miriam from Raiders?
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Please reply with this most stressing of situations
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I believe the story (in general) takes Indy and "son" on a quest to find something that appears at first to point toward aliens involvment of some kind, with the Commies in place of the Nazis (we know Shia is Marion's kid, but it's been rumored that Indy may not actually be his father). More rumors from somebody who claimed to be close to Lucas and presented themselves very convincingly indicated in last week's Indy TB that the "aliens" thing is really just a red herring in the story. I'm actually trying to stay away from major specific spoilers on this film, but May 2008 is so, so far away...
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Indy-f'n-ana Jones, the man who was dragged behind a truck (after being shot), stuck a raft landing out of a crashing plane and lept for safety before the tank he was on went over a cliff, is riding BITCH on a motorcycle driven by some greaser, wannabe George Lucas is in his prime!? Where's the pics of Marion with her strap-on? I can feel the suck all the way over here. I'll try to keep high hopes and gladly sprinkle my words with shit before eating them if this turns out but I get the feeling Indy is the new Marcus and will be played for more comic relief than I hoped for. Thank The angry, jealous Lord for Ray Winstone.
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needs to see Transformers...where Shia single handedly took it from a D- to a D+...he's good...hate all you want, but he's simply good...not amazingly great, but good...this movie will not be terrible because of him...I don't think Indy has to have a son, but if he does, Shia is a good choice. trust me...
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Oui. The carpets match the drapes. A few more visits with my therapist and I'll be able to talk about how I know this.
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Rumors are that this film still focuses very heavily on Indy, not his "son", Shia, who is in it and no doubt plays an important role, but I've read Shia's character in the film is something like Shortround's - not so much for the child-like comedy relief, but in terms of his screentime and relationship with Indy. Personally, I'd love to see a grown-up Shorty come back and kick Mutt's butt (Shia's character has the nickname "Mutt" in the film, for those who didn't know. Yes, I was desperate to rhyme late at night.)
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Rumors are that this film still focuses very heavily on Indy, not his "son", Shia, who is in it and no doubt plays an important role, but I've read Shia's character in the film is something like Shortround's - not so much for the child-like comedy relief, but in terms of his screentime and relationship with Indy. Personally, I'd love to see a grown-up Shorty come back and kick Mutt's butt (Shia's character has the nickname "Mutt" in the film, for those who didn't know. Yes, I was desperate to rhyme late at night.)
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Well, it wasn't my first and probably won't be me last.
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Did you get any more details from "dad" over the weekend? Serious question though, what kind of object is Indy looking for that leads him to the whole "aliens" thing (which we understand isn't really aliens)? And is please tell me Indy doesn't pass the fedora to Shia at the end, insinuating that he'll take over for a "retired" Indy. Thanks!
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Did you get any more details from "dad" over the weekend? Serious question though, what kind of object is Indy looking for that leads him to the whole "aliens" thing (which we understand isn't really aliens)? And is please tell me Indy doesn't pass the fedora to Shia at the end, insinuating that he'll take over for a "retired" Indy. Thanks!
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"We named the dog Indiana"... Is Shia Indy the 3rd? Is that why the call him Mutt? Miriam sucks. Willie would have been better.
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I hope they call him Abner more than Mutt.
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that's all I needed to see
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Indy looked great in his traditional garb a few days back, but the whole gray hair thing is a little disappointing, makes him look *so* much older...ah well, still looking forward to this anyway.
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Adding the son was a lazy writers' crutch... it's just going to make the third or (turd)film feel even more isolated from the original trilogy....BAD BAD BAD BAD MOVE.
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now with more grease.
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That's just one of life's little ironies.
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it gives me funny feelings
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you destroy indiana jones..........seriously you're jewiness belongs in a spaceballs movies.... I should know!! my jewiness is confused by your jewinesssz
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quick everyone talk jive about this photo
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veryyyyyy
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unlike no other hornynesss... mostly cause of shia labarf's jewinesss
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He's 65. And you're worried about him having grey hair? You fat cunts will be lucky if you're still alive at 65. There, now that's over with, I'll just say this - I continue to be extremely optimistic about this film.
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So stoked to see the trailer for this film...hopefully this Fall?
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Saw your last post from Saturday on the previous Indy talkback. You rock. If that plot outline you gave us is what ends up making it to the screen, it sounds like we're all in for a great film. Hopefully that title (if it sticks) will grow on me, though, b/c I'm not sure I'm feeling it. Cheers!
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I hope your having some apple wine and enjoying a good belly laugh.
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If I don't get my own hair cut next week, I'll have a Jewfro in full effect. And, it IS possible for shia to have a Jewfro when Indy and Marion didn't b/c allegedly Shia is not actually Indy's kid. Oh, he's a Ravenwood, but that's all they've officially said, right? Technically? We just assume Indy is his dad b/c of the Marion relationship.
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Have/had fro-like hair.
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very confuseddddddd
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ummmmm....like the guy above said, why does shia look ilke fonzie? why is Indiana riding bitch? wow this pic kind of took the wind out of my sails to see this flick, oh who am i kidding they could put the olsen twins in it and i'll still pay to see indy.
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But I can't get the pics at those links on a Blackberry. But didn't you guys see the pic of Indy jumping onto the bqck of the bike from Fri? That's likely how he ends up riding in the back. Or maybe he just enjoys putting his arms around Shia and inhaling the latke-like aroma of his Jewfro? Mazel!
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Must head off to bed for a bit. Here's hoping there's more good Indy news this week!
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they misspelt "brought" at the bottom of that atomic bomb flyer. idiots.
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Drunk anti-atomic kids making posters...
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Saw these the other day. Ford looks like an old bag.
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Belloq's brother, Jean-Pierre has always blamed Indy for his sibling's face being blown to bits, so he's planned this extremely intricate plot to get back at him. Through a series of events, that I won't give away, he gets Indy on the run and this plan being so brilliantly conceived puts Indy on the back of a motorcycle being driven by (unbeknownst to him) his illegitimate son. The two barely escape in true Indiana Jones fashion and hide out in a cabin by the lake. It's a rather beautiful cabin, by the way, which, as you guessed is all part of Jean-Pierre's plan. That night, they talk, they laugh, they drink, they even share some tears in what is one of the most dramatic scenes in any of the IJ movies. Oscar? Next thing you know, "Do you know any other uses for that whip?" "I gotta tell you, not all type of 'snakes' scare me." That type of banter and boom! They're in each other's arms like two teenagers on prom night. (This, of course, is Lucas and Spielberg cashing in on some 'Brokeback' action) Just in case you're worried, it's tastefully done. Safe for the kiddies. There's no spitting in the hand for lube like 'BB Mountian.' This is where Mutt's (Shia) greasey hair comes in handy. When Indy runs his mits through Mutt's luxurious locks and gets the hair jelly on his hand . . . well, you see where it goes. Anyway, to jump ahead, Indy and Mutt are in Canada getting married (this is where Sean Connery HAS returned to give away his son - it's a great Robin Hood type of cameo) and when the preacher asks is anyone sees a reason why these two should not marry, Jean-Pierre pops up and reveals that they are father and son. (As you can see, this is a very 'Oldboy' type of revenge movie but it's very effective) I refuse to spoil what Indy and Mutt do when they realize this but I can assure you it's VERY entertaining. You should be very jazzed about this. Oh! The beginning kind of gives away the plot when the Paramount logo dissolves into the Brokeback mountain landscape. Hurry up '08.
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the macguffin is strongly rumoured to be 13 crystal skulls of alien origin for those that keep asking.....
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and john hurt is to play abner ravenwood, not einstein.
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from over exposure.
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There's a pretty effective similarity between the two of them, looking forward to seeing them play off each other.
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Oops. The third rocket is a Saturn IB with an Apollo spacecraft payload. That would be an anachronism for the 1950s; Apollo began in 1960. Also, the Saturn was the first American rocket designed solely for launching into space and has nothing to do with atomic bombs (unlike the retasked ICBMs that launced Mercury and Gemini). Basically, that poster is screwy.
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What's up with all this bitching about Indy's gray hair? Harrison Ford is closing in on 70. The guy should be bad and wrinkled. What does a little gray hair matter, as long as he can still crack a whip, kick ass and take names?
I thought Stallone should have added the "salt and pepper" look to the Rocky character. His hair is so heavily dyed he looks like Liza Minnelli. It's nice to see an aging action hero actually look somewhat like his age.
That said, is he too old to drive a motorcycle himself? What the fuck is he doing on the BACK of the bike? I also don't really like the 50's haircut on Shemale LaPoof.
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also, "appearance" is misspelt. i guess the two typos were on purpose then... or were they?
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to be so judgemental on Indy 4... By the way, TRANSFORMERS is awsome and blows away any movie this year. Shia IS talented in Disturbia, and TRANSFORMERS, and I think that is a pretty damn good choice for a sidekick/son? character. I can't wait for 08!!!
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ya know. So that sign is that way so you would know a kid made it... MOVIE LOGIC I guess. ( Is that whole rig just to put a wire on Indy so he no fall off bike? )
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"DIAMTER"
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...people running to their keyboards to dump on a movie (which is being made by on of the most successful production teams of all time) based on, what, a few hazy production shots? And all this Shia hate is beyond pathetic. What exactly is the issue you have with this kid, outside of the fact that he's doing well for himself these days and that he 'looks jewish'? Certain people who post to this site are making themselves look a lot like jealous morons...
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...not too shabby.
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Indy's estranged son never liked his father, hence the 50s rebellous look. Throughout the movie they are running from nazis and along the way, they make amends. Finally, when Indy dies at the end, his son puts his fedora on and walks into the sunset.
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man, some of you guys are seriously bigoted fuckers. I mean really, all that stuff about 'Jewfro' and Shylock.....fcking hell guys, get a life. What in your head thinks its in any way acceptable to say that kinda shit here, and not out in public? Its really disgusting. And im not even jewish! ..but makes me fcking queesy reading it.
And slagging off LaBouef before u have even seen it? Saying how he has 'ruined' the film, etc...guys, get a life, seriously. I have never seen him in anything, but i have heard good things about him. Also, from the sounds of the rest of the cast, Blanchett, Broadbent, etc, it definitly sounds like they have the right idea here about the casting. Moaning about Harrison looking old? ....the guy is 65, let it go.
But really, thats all confectionary. I could give a dick about your opinions of Ford, have a good feeling (finally) about this film, especially after seeing the pic of him as 'real' Indiana Jones. But cut out the bigoted shit here, its disgusting and really you should be ashamed of yourselves. Little fucks. -
I don't care if it ends with them flying in UFO's shooting lasers I'll still check it out. I know the wire on the crane is for insurance purpose but it is still funny. If they get pissed at some of the aholes here maybe they will try harder to make this one the best.
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"IPhones. Why did it have to be IPhones?"
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I hope not because they already did the father/son thing in Last Crusade. Anyways, I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't watch this opening weekend.
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I love the mudslinging that goes on in these talkbacks, especially when it's funny, but there are certain projects where the same old whining about the same old stuff just starts to get a little tiring.
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How lame.
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Ever feel like you're Bud Brigman on Deep Core, and the crane has just tumbled over the edge of the trench wall and you KNOW you're fucked? I have a BAD feeling about this....and a fucking anti-war propaganda twist to it as well? THOSE HORRIBLE ATOMIC BOMBS HAVE KEPT THE WORLD FROM BLOWING ITSELF UP FOR THE PAST 60 YEARS, SPIELBERG! DEAL WITH IT!
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You know this will rock.
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although if you squint you can kind of see a flustered look on Jones senior's face at the back of the mototrcycle.Which shocks me. Please dont let there be some scene of his son taking the piss trying to get Indy on the back of the motorcycle cos he reckons his dads too old to cope with it just to have Indy do some amazing stunt later in the flick afterwhich "mutt" (a reference to Indy being named after the dog I guess?) to be all "woooh!" and Indy to be all "thats the way its done sonny". I want to be excited by this and beyond the Lost World Spielberg knows sequels but....I just wish they wouldnt bother with this. Let Indy rest for Gods sake-why risk spoiling a trilogy of fine films? Money? Lack of ideas?Its obvious Steves got other things to do-his outputs always frequent and always strong...The way things are going they'll probabaly try to remake Raiders a few years down the line anyway (shudder)... And for those questioning the grey hair-what the hell did you expect? Just thank God Harrisons ear ring doesnt make an appearance....
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It's nice to see Ford, though. The true Indy. Hear that, Spielberg, you miserable whore? You won't make a new trilogy with the aptly named "mutt". Shiva won't let Shia destroy Indy's name.
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over THE SHARK.On the other hand, I find the anti-nuke message intriguing. If it goes all-out anti-nuke, as I believe Spielberg will, then count me in.
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You dont do Indy-Indy does YOU! He chooses who he shags and once he does its not like you would have much of a say-look at Marion by the end of Raiders-starts off all hard assed and by the end she swooning all over the guy...
Why hasnt Margo Harshman gotten bigger? She was the only good thing in Even Stevens . Not just because shes remarkably attractive but cos she was the only character I didnt want to suffocate with a wet loafer. Instead we have Shia-I havent seen him in anything else yet so I cant comment. -
I am no proponent of anti-semitism or racism, but the who Jewfro comment was made in jest. By Jews. And as a Jew with thick wavy hair, I and my friends have referred to it as a Jewfro for years. That said, I don't get anybody saying shit about someone just caise they have some stereotypical "Jewish" feature.
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shes like Max Power-you strap yourself in an you feel the Gs!
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There's another rumor percolating that although he IS Marion's son, and they toy throughout the movie with the idea that Indy may be his father, it turns out in the end, he isn't. Though Indy acts more like a father figure to Shia than actually being his father. Take it all with some salt.
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There's another rumor percolating that although he IS Marion's son, and they toy throughout the movie with the idea that Indy may be his father, it turns out in the end, he isn't. Though Indy acts more like a father figure to Shia than actually being his father. Take it all with some salt.
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...Not like it's the best kept (possible) secret for those keeping up with the project, but nice slip up there - if you're going to flat out just let it hang that it's "Indy and Son", you m ight as well throw down a script review. I'd prefer if he didn't have a son at all...but maybe he thought he did...haha. Still, can't wait!
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...that composite metal utility pole. I doubt they were metal in the '50s, and if they were, it wasn't that kind. Also, what's with the bus that reads "New Britain" transportation? I thought this was Yale? The only other thing wrong is that the word "Brought" is spelled wrong on the atomic bomb info notice. Otherwise, pretty cool. If they were filming this in my town, I'd probably just stand there with my pants down rubbing my rhubarb, cuz it's like, Indiana Jones.
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Yeah, that's right -- you asscocks in the back bitching about Indy having gray hair. I'll bet you think Roger Moore's dyed hair in A View To A Kill made his Bond look 20 years younger, don't you?
Jesus, you fucking queefeaters need to shut the fuck up.
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...and hula hoops!
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"Please rise...now sit on it. Let us ayyyy."
"Ayyyyyyyyyyy..."
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Temple it was bugs, Crusade it was rats.
What will the next mega gross-out creature of IJ be???!!!
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That was my good belly laugh. Thanks, Finky. My first giggle of excitement at the sight of these pics' display on this site was yet again fueled by your "Jett, ask your dad" comment. I knew I could trust you. Regarding the pics: I hope Ford's/Indy's charm will prevail. Actually I find it fucking hilarious and sheer incredible that there are more posts bitching about TBers complaining about Ford's grey hair than actually hair-bitching comments. I knew I wouldn't defend the insanity of TBs for no reason. And apropos grey hair: I hope that Ford's spirit and....THE HAT...will make the hair-question obsolete.
Besides: I will be very happy if aicn continues to not reveal any plot points about this film. I'll drink some delicious Applewine on you, Finky, (and everyone else (who has ever posted an inventive Indy talkback headline/ fake Indy title)) on May 22nd next year. -
It was old months ago. Let it go. To all you dumb douches that can't get past Shia, repeat after me: "Serenity now. Serenity now."
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Too many people in the talkbacks that have no sense of history, and the ability to hide behind their talkback names to say idiotic things that they think are funny, but actually make them come off as idiotic, uneducated morons.
I just don't get the Shia hate here. The kid is a pretty tallented actor, who has proved that he has charisma, and can hold his own in the films he has been cast in. I have no doubt that Spielberg will use him right.
And so Harrison has some grey hair - unbelievable - the guy is almost 70, and he is playing Indy 20 years after Last Crusade - DAMN - y'all realize we all are going to get older, don't you? I'll be there opening day - and I'm sure I won't be the only one! -
Oops. Missed that spoiler in the title. I really wonder if they thought they could keep the son-thing a secret. Thank god for the exotic locations of adventure films. This film can't take more than one New Haven-experience.
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Because this looks reminiscent of the town square in Back to the Future... minus Lea Thompson's juggs.
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some actors got it ome actors dont, shia dont. short round and river did. i'm not saying shia may give us a complete 360 and pull it off, but i doubt it, only hope is that he just plays a small part.
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Shia looks like he's groaning or frowning in a lot of pics. Could it be he's being bombarded by Harrison's old man breath?
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Take that one spoiler word out of the title here, man! WTF? You should know better.
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Now Willie Scott on the other hand almost single handedly ruined Temple of Doom. What an awful character and an even worse actress. Capshaw was truly abysmal.
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sidekicks, 'Shortround' was one of the few that i quite liked. The Mac kid didn't spoil Die Hard at all but i still wish he wasn't there, why they insist of giving hero's sidekicks is anyones guess.
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I tried to pack that subject with as many references as I could in a short time.
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"Sonny, drop me off at the bingo parlor!"
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Tom Selleck in a "Never Say Never Again" style Indiana Jones film?
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i haven't seen "Trans.... what is it called?" yet but just judging from the little glimpses of this and his other films I don't understand all the doubt. To me he really seems to be one of those actors, who are able to give a human, down to earth, believable performance in an effects- and action-heavy flick (without being too cheesy or chewing the scene). Of course my hypothesis isn't fully proofed yet, but that's the impression I had. One of the best in that human/credible scale in an action oriented picture has been(hopefully IS goddamn it) that guy.....Harrison Ford.
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Cannot play cool to save his life. He's a dork and he should stick to dork roles. Playing a greaser? WTF? And, as I've said many times before, if Shia is playing Indy's son, there's no way in hell this film will work. He just isn't the type to pull it off without it being campy as shit.
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Which would cause me to be much more dubious about it. I don't dislike the guy so much personally, though I might be okay if they were to recast the part. Unlike Bay at the helm of TINO, I still have some confidence in this production, so I'm willing to go with Shia as Abner Jr. Can't wait til '08.
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It's been bugging me since the last few times he/she has posted. But then they threw out that potential title to the movie in last week's Indy TB (http://tinyurl.com/ypdlyd) and when I did a domain search, it was still available. I'd think if there was any chance at all they were going to use that title, it'd be bought already. Lucasfilm can spare the $15.
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The sooner we can find WORTH hating, the better. As the saying goes, "Haters gotta hate SOMETHING."
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Shia's chracter could turn out to be the son of Belloq. We don't know all that happened in that tent in the desert!
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He's definitely a talented lad, I enjoyed his short screen time on both I, Robot and Constantine.
Hats off to him bagging Transformers and the fabled Indy IV.
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I wonder what race/nationality of people he'll stereotype this go around? It's almost too much to bare the wait to see it.
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I mean, he entrusted Marion with it and she kinda blew it to the Nazis. Then again, maybe it up to that giant hole in the sky with the rest of the Nazis at the end of Raiders. But I like to think it was laying on the ground next to the Ark after that whole messy incident.
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Transformers...Indy IV...whats next? The presidency?
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After the power of the Ark dispatched all the Nazis at the end of Raiders, did ya ever wonder how Indy & Marion got the Ark off that Nazi island?
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so says the "TINO!" guy, right? But Shia was never the real "problem" with that movie. And I don't see him "fucking up" this one either, just b/c he's in it.
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Not really. I imagine they radioed for help from the U-Boat.
I was watching somethign recently (maybe Jon Stewart) where they showed this picture of this ugly old dude and they said somethign like "Here's a picture of him shortly after he opened the ark" Itook me a split second and yep...beverage out the nose. -
Jul 02, 2007 12:54:10 PM CDT
George Lucas originally wanted Jar Jar as the sidekick
by studioplant69
...True story.
So Indy has grey hair? Does that mean we can call him an ash-crotch?
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The atomic bomb poster does indeed show an Apollo spacecraft as an atomic bomb! Not a BOMB! And NOT in the 50's! Maybe its a joke or something. Or a big mistake. Oops.
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I agree with ya finky...Shia won't be the reason why this would fail to live up to expectations. If they are able to recapture the same tone/feel of the previous movies, they should be okay.
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Yeah, but i always assumed there were still some Nazis back at the "secret sub base" on the island. Didn't seem like ALL of them were at the Ark opening. I like to imagine Indy trying to carry the Ark back with Marion's "help": "Indy, can we rest for a few minutes?" Jones, these rocks are killing my feet!" Jones, we never get a chance, do we?" You really are the most gifted bum my father ever taught."
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Im waiting for the injoke somewhere..maybe a car..maybe a tune on the radio...
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And also go fuck yourself!
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Look at that pic! "Scruffy-old Indy jumps on the back of his estranged son's bike and holds on for dear life, evoking all of Sean Connery's mannerisms from Last Cursade because ...ITS THE SAME FUCKING STORYLINE" p.s. Hollywood, stop trying to make Shia LeBeouf into a movie action star. I don't care what his agents have on you. He's five foot two and looks like a thirteen year old.
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Every few years Spielberg finds a new kid, a flavor of the month that he makes some flicks with - used to be Drew Barrymore, then Haley Joel Osment, then Dakota Fanning, and now Shia La Boeuf. I doubt the latter will be starring in Spielberg films the year 2012.
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Oh, please no camp this time Mr. Spielberg...More Indy and less Roger Moore Bond, pls.
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This LeBeourp guy is becoming the next Orlando Bloom. He is in every possibly big blockbuster movie around. The only difference is that according to the majority of girls he's uglier, but they share the same talent.
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Which did not begin production until 1984-1985...oops! Anyone that rides a Harley will spot this right off...unless you're one of the posers that ran and and got a Harley in the last few years because it makes you look like a "Bad Boy"...ugh! Unfotunately this is 80% of Harley riders these days. You can almost see the new ink dripping from the new armband tattoos as well.
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Yep.
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or anyone else just as long as Indy doesn't get upstaged.
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What's more interesting abour RAIDERS is Indy's complete insignificance in the story. He may have hindered things that the Nazis were doing to obtain the Ark and forced them to use alternate means of transporting it, but in the end, they Nazis got it anyway, and they did what was always going to happen, even if Indy wasn't in the story - open up the Ark and get fried by God. Hell - it could be argued that Indy made the whole thing happen by allowing the Nazis to follow him to Marion in Nepal. He may have done more damage than anything else. It's a testament to the amazing power of the Indiana Jones character that he can be the greatest movie hero ever and really not be that important to the plot of his movie.
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I never thought about it that way. All this talk makes me want to watch Raiders tonight.
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USS Cygnus, complaining that the movie might have an "anti war" slant wrote this most blinding example of circular logic I've ever read: "THOSE HORRIBLE ATOMIC BOMBS HAVE KEPT THE WORLD FROM BLOWING ITSELF UP FOR THE PAST 60 YEARS, SPIELBERG! DEAL WITH IT!"
uhhh, huh? So, let's give this s shot- the 'horrible bombs" have kept us from blowing ourselves up... with bombs. 'Mutually Assured Destruction', as a deterrent (read: anti-war) factor relies on the existence of the technology to blow ourselves up. But, and I'm just spit-balling here, if we didn't HAVE the technology IN THE FIRST PLACE we wouldn't NEED to deter ourselves from USING IT. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. -
Fair enough. I won't get pissed at you for not liking Shia. That's totally your opinion, and you are like, totally entitled to your opinion. Am I allowed to think you're a sub-normal anti- semite though? just asking.
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i really hope not......i know the pic is from a far and it is only one pic but it made me feel uneasy...like ford is going to be the connery character this time and sheia is the action guy.....
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"With all things Jewish?" What does that even mean? Even if he dressed like it was mid-19th century Poland complete with ringlets and made all of his movies in Yiddish with English subtitles and only ate latkes and bagels and lived in Tel Aviv how would any of that affect your life at all? Why do you give a shit?
Don't you see how it's a bit weird for someone who ISN'T Jewish to say how they think that someone's 'jewishness' is annoying?
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Did I totally imagine a talkback poster by the name of regularheadbelloq? I seem to have responded to a post that no longer exists...
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Mrfan has the munchies.
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i had a few more, but friends of mine were kind of in them...
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that your irritation over Speilberg trying to make LaBoof a star (arguable) for the reason you gave (that thay're both Jews) has nothing to do with the Jewishness? So, what did you think of the Passion of the Christ?
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why do you give a shit what his religion is? Or that in your opinion, (which hasn't been proven either way) that it's a factor at all? If you find it annoying that the film industry and the culture of Hollywood isn't a bastion of purity and ethical business where corrupting influences like nepotism abound, I don't know what to tell you. Yes, success in Hollywood doesn't always depend on talent and hard work, sometimes people get what they don't deserve, over someone else who really did earn an advantage. It's too bad, but Hollywood is not a perfect place.
Now, If I assume that you're not completely insane and you know this already, I'm left to infer that what you're really upset about is not that LaBoof might be getting an unfair advantage, but that his unfair advantage is happening BECAUSE HE'S JEWISH. See how that might rankle? See how that might itch? I' not buying your argument that the Jewish factor is an incidental one. -
Your entire argument is hinged on the fact that it's about, because of, and relating to Jews. That's the one detail that bothers you. Listen, anyone with half a brain is going to read your last post and know what I know, that you're an anti-semitic bastard. you're the only one who doesn't see it. You can't just write the words: "I assure you I could care less what particular religion either Spielberg or LaBeouf happen to be." And then proceed to render this statement completely irrelevant and demonstrably UNTRUE. Fuck man, do you even read what you write?
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of Harrison Ford and Shia LaBeouf become a rant about Pro Isreal politics and anti-semitisem? Man some of you people are feebs.
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That sounds pretty damn awful. Way too campy a la Last Crusade. Damn it all to hell. Thanks for the info, though.
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to finkys domain investigation?
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How many abodiginals do you see modelling?
sorry, couldn't resist. But seriously folks- the fact that you support Israel might have everything or nothing to do with your opinions of Jews in general, I have no idea, it's a completely irrelevant point. The only point I was ever trying to make is that many of your statements have demonstrated an obvious loathing of Jews, and every time you've tried to defend agaisnt this accusation your replies have had the equivalent intellectual punch as "Am not". See, the point isn't that Speliberg and Labeouf COULD be hindus, or mormons, or scientologists, this is what you KEEP NOT GETTING, and I'm getting tired of having to repeat myself. The point, the Real point, is that they ARE Jews. See what I'm getting at? Next You'll say: "Oh, poor, sweet, innocent samsquanch, do you not see your folly? Spielberg and LeBeouf could be from Mars, and I would still find their money-grubbing, world-consipiratorial, large-nosed ways abrasive and uncouth. Heavens, It has nothing to do with the fact that they're Jews!!" Except that it does. Go back and read every one of your posts. -
seriously, it was.
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I have been reading AICN for years and I have finally joined to say what I have been thinking all this time... NO ONE CARES IF YOU Are first!!! GET OUT OF THE 4TH GRADE ALREADY! GEEEEZ! I bet you cried to your mommy when someone cut the line right?? oH yeah..And Beowulf looks Amazing.
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As much as I enjoy 'victim' status (whatever that means, I'm not even Jewish) you seem to enjoy non-sequiturs like "how can I be a jew hater when some of my best friends are Jewish?" I say again, it doesn't matter if you hate Nazis or if you think Israel has a right to exist or if you think Billy Crystal is charming. You can believe all these things and still be an anti-semite. If you haven't figured that out there are many, many things you still have to figure out, and I'm not the guy to hold your hand through this difficult time in your development.
This was never about you simply not believing that LaBeouf wasn't talented. It was about you having a serious problem with the fact that Speilberg was giving the kid an (arguably undeserved) helping hand...BECAUSE HE'S JEWISH. Right? Am I right? That's all I was ever saying, you're the one who tried to steer it away from that initial position towards milder waters like "I think Speilberg got boring in his old age" or LaBeouf isn't talented." You were the one who said you blamed Speilberg's decline on his "infatuation with the holocaust" (an incredibly insensitive thing to say by anyone's standard) as well as fact that he was 'kingmaking' Labeouf for the reasons of cultural/religious nepotism. You were the one who had a deep problem with these things, I was the one who pointed it out. Trust me, no one has to look too hard these days to find examples of bigotry, and I am certainly not 'delighted' when I come across them. The thing is though, when I find some lazy, half-assed hateful comment in a talkback that I'm otherwise enjoying, I fucking call it out. You've never had the balls to admit I might have been right, and say something like: Shit, you're right, I should watch that bullshit." Instead you tried to re-write the last hour or so (a silly thing to attempt, since it's all right here in black and white) to paint yourself as a film critic, and not some dick who thinks Jews have it too easy. Man, neither of us are that original, just fucking admit it and move on.
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as are a handful of other posters. You have a young man getting the chance of a lifetime and many are trying to knock him out. He was handpicked by SS to play this role. Who could turn him or any of the other roles down in this day and age? I wonder which other actors you would have in mind to play this part. I am going to simply wait till the finished product is available. Continue the whining. Shia isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
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where the Commies are just misunderstood.
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nerd who manages to destroy a giant alien robot with a cube.
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tries to act like greasers are cool rebels, but if they are going with greasers as poseurs, then this might be fine.
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some screen presence and is likeable. It would be like trying to cast young Tom Hanks as a greaser, though. Not believable at all, unless he's a wannabe.
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I like where your head is, but I don't really agree. Indy did all the leg work to find the Ark. He acquired the head piece for the Staff of Ra and dug up the Well of Souls. Then Belloq shows up and snatches the Ark out of Indy's hand at the last second, just like he did in the opener with the fertility idol.
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It happens. Could care less about any of the others you mentioned. You started bitching about Shia Besides how many movies does he have a year. So far I have only seen him in Disturbia and Transformers as well as a voice in an animation movie. Big deal. Three projects. I don't think with all the movies being made that one actor is going to hog them all.Maybe he is playing smart and trying to get all the roles he can get because he has seen the same thing happen to other actors that you mentioned. I say let him be the "go to" actor. Let him enjoy his success no matter what roles he gets. Obviously SS felt he was good enough for this role. I am glad that Indy 4 is being made.
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He's too goddamn short to be in all these action films.
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had featured a Shia type as Indy's son/sidekick and this movie had a little chinese kid you would all still be moaning.Is Speilberg not allowed anything new in this movie? Do you all want him to just remake one of the other films?People are jumping on Shia and his character without even having seen one single second of footage.Can someone please explain to me exactly what is wrong with Shias character in film making terms?Having Indy's son is no lamer than Short round or having Indy's dad in a film.If the Net had been round when Connery had been cast in Last Crusade you would all be bitchin too and now you love that film.
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don't like to see anyone get lucky in life.Why shouldn't the Berg hire him if he liked him? Doesn't that make sense? A director hiring an actor he likes instead of hiring someone who talk backers think is cool just to shut them up.Most of you guys would bitch whoever was cast unless it was Bruce Campbell.
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Well JettL93 you are making quite a name for yourself in the fanboy/ spoiler realm. A lot of people want to believe you. You are indeed convincing on some fronts. If you are "connected" to the production then God love you, you've got serious balls. If you're full of BS then well played, perhaps you can tell me how Lost ends or if Tony really got whacked.
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that interesting a character? Does anyone want some older no-name chinese guy as a main character?I think the Indy-kid dynamic will work well, it is an over used dynamic but that is because it works.You all act Spielberg is a hack and is just making cheap easy descisions. How do you know that Ford and Shia mght not become a brilliant pairing,? How do you know he won't be better than short round?And Shia isn't exactly over exposed. He did Guide to Recognising your Saints and was duly praised because he was brilliant in it. Then he did Disturbia, TF and now this. It's not exactly overexposure. And hating an actor because he is in too many films is stupid.Did you want the Berg to go "Shia is my first choice for this role but i will choose a worse actor because Shia has been in too many films."
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of 58 would have a son.
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but I bet if they had a characte rlike that in this film you would all be complaining.Anyway my point is how do you know Shia's character won't be better?Oh, because he is new, because the film wasn't made in the 80's? There is no reason why he won't be as well loved as Short Round.People seem to think that because something was in a film over 20 yrs ago it was perfect.You all heap praise on the other Indy films and then act like this one will be rubbish even though it is the same creative team.
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has taken a single wrong turn with this one yet.Doom was not a perfect film. It had some very cheesy and slightly off performances and was very shallow and throw away. It concentrated on fun. Last Crusade was big and silly and featured a father son dynamic that was played to great comedy effect.But if any of these elemnts are in this film you will all bitch.Any jokes made by Shia in the trailer and you will all be crying.If there are to many links to the other films you will all say it is forced and moan.If there are no links to the other films you will all say it isn't an Indy film and moan.You'll either moan that it is too similar or too different.I don't really know what you all want from this film.I love the fact that we will get a new setting in the 50's, hopefully a McGuffin that feels distinct and not a rip-off of the others and a new character dynamic with Indy and Shia.I love all this because we will get an Indy film that stands on it's own rather than a pointless nostalgia re-hash.
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the plot is that Indy didn't know he had a son and is probably quite reluctant about the whole thing so it kind of fits what you say.Speilberg hasn't tried to make a big fun movie since Jurrasic Park, War of the Worlds was essentially a family reffugee disaster movie.And I don't consider any of his recent films boring. Minority Report and Munich are a couple of the best films of the last 10 years.To suggest the Berg is slipping is saying that all the other directors of the 70's and 80's are still going strong. Well they are not, Scorsesse only just pulled back with the Departed and even that was a re-hash of his old style and wasn't even an original film (Infernal Affairs is a better film). Coppola, DePalma can't really pull anything good out anyomre either.None of these guys get any of your bashing for making an average film every few years but Speilberg who still makes movies like he did in the 70's, fresh, original and daring gets dissmissed all the time.There is no-reason to think that Speilberg can't still make a fun movie just becasue he hasn't tried for over 10 years. He has been taking a break pouring out roughly a film a year. To say his last 14 years have been boring is bull shit - Schindler's List, Amistad, Saving Private Ryan, AI, Minority Report, Catch Me If You Can, The Terminal, War of the Worlds, Munich. That is a pretty impressive list for an old guy at the tail end of his carrer.There has never been any evidence of Lucas bringing down a film when working with Speilberg. I have 100% confidence in the Berg here as even when he makes bad films (1941, Hook) they are still pretty original and bring something new to the world. The man has directed over 27 films, not to mention the hundreds he produced and all his tv work. I'd be a bit suspicious of supernatural intervention if they where all perfect.Most directors can make a couple of great films and then get praise forever no-matter how bad they get. Speilberg jus tseems to atract hate for some reason.
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mutt - hey old man, why you runnin?
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owe it to Speilberg to trust that he wouldn't base a character or actor choice around what is considered 'cool' at the time.I believe he chose him because he liked him. You can't say that he wouldn't have chose him even without Disturbia and TF.This is a director who when making Jurasic Park didn't throw in big pretty stars, he threw in Sam Neil, Laura Liney and Jeff Goldblume. He always picks actors for the roles rather than their status.He does work with big names like Cruise but only when his movies suit him.
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not sure if i like that idea or not.its like something theyd be after in some 80s cartoon.i'd have to do more research into that phenomonon and see if i buy into it.
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i only call him the Berg so i didn't have to type out Spielberg, completley aware of how it sounds man.All the actors he chooses suit the roles. It is incidental when they are a big name.quitbanningme - you clearly have different taste to me. Ryan was the most important war film ever made at the time. It was the first time war had been acurately portryed. I don't need a film to be all 'happy' to enjoy it. I like the fact that he went darker and explored different avenues.I just find it hard to believe that you don't like many of his recent films.Can you name a director who you consider more sucseful?
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you can be quite convincing. and sunrunner, please know i'm not a true believer just yet. but when considering what GL and SS have said about the plot, and all the details known so far to be facts, JL93's(whoever he/she really is)synopsis is the most plausible I've yet heard. Just having fun trying to figure it all out! Maybe JL is doing the same, or maybe he's just an acomplished bullshitter, or maybe he IS actually close to the production in one way or another. I don't really care. Despite agreeing with everyone else that Shia is pretty lame, I'm still having a total fanboygasm for this flick, because Indiana Jones Is Fucking Back!!!
And JL, on the off chance you are actually who you say you are, please tell SS that R2-D2 and C-3PO should be seen somewhere in the "Raiders wharehouse" as ancient artifacts. If that happens, only then will you make a true believer out of me.
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can make films as fast a Speilberg? He makes roughly one a year. Most directors his age hum and har for years and then pull out something we have seen a million times before.The thing is, Speilberg changed cinema as we know it with Jaws over 30 yrs ago, then again with ET, then with Indy, then with JP, then with List and Ryan and he still pours out original films at least once a year.I cannot think of another director who has made as many good films.
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to earn his badge, he even made shit like Howard the Duck.Can you honestly say Speilberg has ever really fucked up. I mean made a god awful film?Considering Indy will be number 27 or something I think he is doing better than anyone could possibly expect.
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you can't expect a perfect carrer. In fact just the 1st 15 yrs would have been enough. If he had stopped then nobody would have been surprized and he would have a legendary career.But instead of stopping he acted like he was a new director and tried something new with every film.If a director had just had Speilbergs last 15 years he would be considered very succesful.To have a perfect 1st 15 yrs followed by a great and very interesting second 15 yrs is miles beyond what any other director has ever done.And he just doesn't seem to be slowing down. Maybe Indy 4 is him starting another 15 years of big blockbusters like he originally did and then he'll do another 15 years of more serious stuff.He might live forever at this rate.
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but he has never really done anything deep or that has moved me. He has been very succesful in his genre whilst Speilberg has taken a stab at every genre and always got it right.I agree that Jackson seems to have the same mentality as Speilberg, he knows hat a good old fashioned fun film is but his earlier work like Beutiful Creatures show that he has depth. He might be the one to be as succesful as Speilberg.
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nice chating with you quitbanningme.
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Indeed, I share your excitement and JettL93 seems to be pushing the right buttons, allaying fears that we all have about what we know so far: Is Shia Indy's son? (Well not really thank God) and Are there actually aliens? (Well not really thank God) Perhaps the creative team understands that those early leaks were not popular and given the overwhelming disgust for the PT, they are allowing certain leaks to set the rumors straight and keep the early buzz positive. I think Spielberg is smart enough to understand that a lot of people dont see the need for another Indy film, I mean didnt the guy ride off into the sunset having drank from the cup of freaking immortality, how do you top or even follow that? They know that cast, location and certain plot points obvious by shooting locations and sets would be made quickly public. So maybe they are going on the offense to keep eveybody thinking positively. Damn maybe Jett is Spielberg or someone very close and these are well planned "accidental" spoilers. Why use a name so obviously referencing Lucas' kid? Something interesting appears to be happening here. Maybe he's just another convincing fake or maybe his true info is even peppered with BS. I dont think that they would purposefully leak anything about the title so to that i am dubious. If JettL93 is the real deal he will give us a description of the teaser trailer before anyone else and to what film it will be attached.
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Wow, JosephMerrick, could you be more fucking ignorant?
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I'm going to be naive and gullible and for the moment believe JettL93. If I can somehow get a 'true' Indy film, I'll be so happy considering I was very negative when this was truly announced that they were doing another one. And it seems like they has been mucho bannings. Que paso?
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Also pjdon- I think we have had this discussion before but I honestly dislike (streneously in some cases) the majority of Spielberg's output of the last 15 years. He just isn't the same director whose 70's and 80's work is on almost constant rotation at home. I agree with you about the other 70's directors, and the prolificness (I'm not sure if that is a word). Maybe if he slowed his rate they would return to the standard set in the likes of Jaws, Close Encounters etc? just a thought, as I cannot fucking wait for this, geriatric Indy, shia and all.
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They said the same thing about DiCaprio. A couple of Scorcese movies later and he's at the top of cool pile
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all this hate on shia and indys gray hair wasted over a movie that will never see the light of a projector... sad, isn't it?
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So JettL93, that's a decent length teaser...and we have to wait until November? Damn...
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Jul 03, 2007 10:15:18 AM CDT
hmmm...that's interesting that they are following DK...
by just pillow talk
in terms of promotion. Not surprising since that is eagerly anticipated, as is Iron Man. JettL93, I don't know if it's too early, but does there seem to be the same sort of feel on the set like the previous ones?
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I can only hope that they are doing this film at the right time in everyone's careers where the 'fun' factor will be at its highest. Are you sure you weren't around for any of the other 3? :-)
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What's the good word on time travel these days?
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Yeah JettL93...the script that they went with, is it a stand-alone script? Yup, I'm just reinterating what Orcus said.
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Orcus, glad to see you back in our "time"...for a little while anyway
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Yo fink, what up? Didn't want this TB to go away until you came back. You must actually be doing some work today before the holiday. Time to pick up the slacking! I'm outta here in 20 minutes (office closing early). It's up to you to keep it going Finky!
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The father/son thing reversed...indy being old and cranky, the son driving too fast on the bike, indy white knuckled...the kid maybe not knowing who his father really "is". cold war background....intriguiing. but cautiously skeptical i remain.
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I'm assuming the action scenes lifted from other scripts won't feel like they were just 'plopped' in?I tell ya JetL93, you're like a candy store. Just when you think your favorite candy is all out, they come and replenish the shelves!
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...'cos the casting of Cruise for WotW ruined the movie. I'll give Indy IV a chance if only to see what was sooo special to make Lucas go for it.
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I think (a) got sidetracked with the Tim Robbins basement scene and (b) The ending was too abrupt and the son was EXTREMELY annoying and should have been incinerated.
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has been Shia's performance. And it won't be his performance that will break it, but rather if Spielberg and Lucas recapture the magic.
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...look no further than Lucas' 'American Graffiti' - it oozes from the screen - so he's the right man for this period. Let's hope we see an appearance of some of the cars from AG. That would be soooo cool.
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Jul 03, 2007 1:00:25 PM CDT
I'm hoping he has distanced himself from the prequels
by just pillow talk
and can regain his non-SW focus and make the adventure that we know he can make. And you're right about that workshed...the 1950's look I'm not too worried about. They'll nail that, no problem.
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I have to say that this is certainly the most interesting talkback for quite a while. Really looking forward to this movie, although I don't want to be too spoiled. I'm torn between avoiding all info about the flick and coming in here and reading every scrap I can get my hands on, true or not. Jett, if you really are who I think you are, then thanks for all the info so far. And tell your dad thanks - for everything.
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I have been reading these faithfully and have really looked forward to you popping back in. Cover your ass! If you are really what you say you are .... don't screw yourself. Other then that, keep the candy comming!I can't remember the last time I was this excited to see a movie. Fucking Indiana Jones is comming back! High - fucking - Five!
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Yep, I think I'm making up today for all the work I blew off last Friday.
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For me, this films success is with Ford. I don't mind an older Indy, but those pics aren't Indy, they are Ford. The same Ford we've seen slowly losing interest over the last 10 years. That pic last week was amazing, it was Indy, an older Indy, and it felt like he was back. My point is that, without the Indy costume, Ford is really going to have to put effort into the performance, refer back to the trilogy and find that spark so his acting makes us believe that he's Indy. I think its the moving image that will be quite interesting, so I' going to wait for that first. A siniliar example is Arnie in T3. OK, in the film he is the terminator throughout, no cosume changes etc. But take Arnie in the 6th day and compare him to the Arnie in T3 - the character and costume transformed him, plus he made the effort to look the part. Yeah he was younger than Ford, but the point is that when these guys get the ear back on, it helps them, transforms them.Arnie had a more difficult task - showing a machine that doesn't age. Ford can play on the age thing, I think grey hair is the right choice, and I reserve judgement on Shia cus I ain't seen Transformers yet, but I have hope. Why? Spielberg. I have faith in him to get the best out of Ford, and I don't think he'd have done this if he hadn't seen something that convinced him Ford was still Indy. I was against this being made, but now its here...well its Indiana Jones!
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http://tinyurl.com/2lj6ec
No matter how I lay things out, I don't like you, JettL. For once your generosity to leak stuff, if going on like that, will become a sincere TB killer for me. If I try to look at the bright side, the things you give us, I feel the disappointment over that line of dialogue you wrote us down yesterday, kicking in. Then there's thoughts about your actual identity. I mean, what kind of disloyal nasty friend/relative are you?
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http://tinyurl.com/2lj6ec
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Your hate on Jett is what seems suspect. I mean Jett's been giving us good stuff, "real" or not, to speculate about. Ain't that a big part of what talkbacks are about? But, ther more info we get from JettL93, the more I suspect he's not actually Lucas' kid so much as another, very close insider. Somebody who is part of, though possibly in a very unofficial way, a pro-active "good buzz" marketing strategy.
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I guess it's true, GL does GOTTA EAT! Mmmm, TOO LUCASY!
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in which AllieJamison is really the same person behind JettL93, but in attempt to distance oneself from the other, AllieJamison has taken to intentionally busting Jett's balls over his credibility. Or maybe Allie is frustrated about not being able to get Jett to respond to her comments? Pass the apple wine!
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but someone's got to keep it going.
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Insightful as always. True or not, we are all here to be entertained and speculate, which you feed directly into. Even if what you've been telling us proves to be true, I'm guessing we'll never know exactly who you really are. If I were Jett, I'd probably pick a login that didn't have my name in it. 1) too obvious & 2) not fun enough. Sure my handle is partly my last name and a random year (I wasn't born in (1989), but it's not the first handle I've had here. It's a replacement. But, whoever you are, I do really want to believe the info you've been divulging is sincerely the truth. It all sounds pretty exciting so far.
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I hope you left that exact comment on there, too
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Cuz I'm curious to know what the buzz is on Indy? Heck, i wanna know if I'm going to win the bet with my friend that TF grosses $45MM in it's first 24 hours?
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Were you on location for any of the production so far? New Mexico? New Haven? Are you headed to Hawaii?
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It makes sense that it would be three trailers- Nov, Feb/March, May- that was what they did for Sith. Though it escapes me know exactly how the title was announced... But I expect it would be announced shortly before Trailer #1.
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I jumped the gun. Me and Slugworth are 1 in the same. I thought you mighta been gone (like it seems everyone else is here) and well....I's done an unforgivable. I take it that since it's off-site, you can't go back in the repligin and comment first, huh?
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So, what gives, JettL93? If those are in serious consideration, why hasn't Paramount or Lucasfilm snagged them yet?
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a John Titor discussion. In fact it may very well have been on an Indy IV TB from late 2006 or the first week of Jan 2007. If not Indy, it was a TF talkback from late 2007 (Nov or Dec). Somehow, I missed the very very beginning (Yackbacker might remember), but there was something weird going on with the AICN server (as usual) and it was making posts show up out of order. Then there was a link, I think "Deus Vult" was doing some "research", to a site by John Titor and some speculative plans for a time machine. I might have that link somewhere, actually. Let me dig through my dusty files a moment...
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interestingly enough. Not sure why. But in cross-referencing my search with Star Wars title domain names (i.e. ThePhantomMenance.com), it's odd that of all the domains with names of SW films, the only ones secured by Lucasfilm are Empire and the first two prequels. SO, I guess they are not consistently registering them, or sucessful at buying them from others.
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info you are divulging. Just wondering what you thought of Ford's and Shia's chemistry on set. I've heard Ford can be quite grumpy and was just wondering if from what you have seen their relationship in the film will be successful.I believe their on-screen chemistry will be key to the films success.
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http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/CopyrightProof.cfm (remove spaces. sorry for not doing TinyUrl)
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There is so much that could be done with it.So many iconic images; the hat, the whip, the music.Can't wait to hear the audiences reaction when they hear that tune and the camera just pans across the hat or something.
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And if you do come back to read this, I'm in the midst of a pretty interesting re-read through that John Titor site. I really wish I could beleive it. But this guy seems to be a very elaborate hoaxster. ALmost good enough to believe.
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groan when I hear that a movie is adding a young sidekick because the hero is getting on a bit. But I don't get that feeling with this.Everything I have heard makes me think the movie will be fresh yet classic.If they get both of them extremes just right it will be an amazing film.
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Nothing has been registered?
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something more final. The way Sly did with the titles ROcky Balboa and John Rambo.Maybe just call it the final Quest of Indiana Jones or something.
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Ok at least two of us suspect Jett could be legit and is part of a "positive" buzz leak strategy to help counteract the cynisism about making another Indy, particularly given all the bad will created by the Prequel Trilogy. JettL93 offered to me when and what the teaser will be so for now I will take him at face value. However, does anyone have a beat on a domain name associated with the Pharaoh's Crown? I dont know about that title and I really dont think that would be intentionally leaked. Oh and I just dont like it, gives me that Phantom Menace feeling in my stomach. Sounds like a throwaway title of one of the video games or theme park rides. If we are finally gonna send Indy off, we have to have a BIG, appropriate ending and a title that is also befitting. For me, the LAST Crusade said it all and did it all. Look I'm happy to live in a world where there is another Indiana Jones film for now, but let's not forget how much better we all felt about things in 1999 before the PT and the title Phantom Menace was our first tip that something was going horribly, irreversibly wrong.
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He should have shaved his head like Bruce Willis in the new Die Hard. Seriously guys, I think it would be kinda weird if he DIDN'T have gray hair.
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I've read about some of the location shoots, but what countries within the story is the action meant to be taking place. One thing I love about the other films are the "Map traveling" montages and that the adventures take place around the entire globe. This was another failing of Temple of Doom, as there was just something special about Indy traversing the planet with the laser focus of keeping unspeakable power out of the wrong hands.
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out of the US. The best parts of the Indy movies were the foreign locales. It wouldn't seem right if most of it is in the states.
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Sunrunner, it's so odd to me, in this world of property rights, that Lucasfilm hasn't secured any domains with that supposed title if they are 90%+ serious about using it. Domains are so inexpensive that even if it was a 50% chanec, I'd think thy'd just buy it and sit on it. Then again, like i said before, do a search on the Star Wars films and you'll find cybersquatters galore, only 3 of the 6 films are owns by Lucasfilm. And none of the other Indy films (actually, I forgot to check Last Crusade) are owned by LF either.
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what countries is the film supposed" to be taking place in? We know where their shooting, but...
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Jett, any truth to those being associated with Indy? I read that Indy's people say "no, it's for National treasure", but I then read that Bruckheimer Films says they're almost done shooting and won't be going back to Universal. Sounds like an Indy cover story to me. What does "Jett" know about the "Aztec temple" set that is being built at Universal? I also read that PARAMOUNT asked somebody to remove photos of this set. Interesting that PARAMOUNT is the distributor of Indy IV, hmmm??? (Buena Vista is distributing National Treasure.)
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But where's his pet snake, Reggie? I'm just making that "casting" up, but it would be kind of funny...
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Is all this "leaked" information part of a PR strategy? Maybe. The President of Lucas Licensing said on 6/18 "It's been 19 years since the last film and we are sensing a huge pent-up demand for everything Indy." The post on IndianaJones.com notes that "the upcoming Indiana Jones movie will also be supported by a strong slate of major promotional partners". http://tinyurl.com/26jo6h
Lucasfilm is serious about making this work. And, to someone's point earlier, they don't want disappointment and cynicism to set in like it did on the Prequels. Spielberg had some unconventional internet/viral marketing before the release of A.I., so it's not unprecedented. And Blogs/websites/commentary forums like AICN Talkbacks are becoming a very popular place for more formalized PR/marketing campaigns. You think it's a complete coincidence that Stallone and Walter B. were on here talking about their stuff?
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I agree that it's a good idea to try and stick together on a few questions for JettL93. I have my doubts of course, but like I said he's making this fun and it's hard to fault him for that. The title thing seems fishy and could prove to be way, way off. We know that Lucas has a fondness for campy titles that harken back to the serial Flash Gordan days, but it seems that there should be a title that refers to the McGuffin and the overall themes of the story at the same time. Perhaps given what we have been told by Jett, we can come up with a better one and save the day Indy style.
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Agreed with you on the way "Last Crusade" was relevant to the story as well as wrapping up the trilogy of films. This one, too, needs something that sounds significant enough. Despite the fact that Shia signed for 3 films, that's industry standard for films like this now. Spielberg said last year they only plan to make one more Indy film. Plans change, but I don't know how many more Ford wants to do, starring as Indy anyway. I could forsee future films set before 1936, though. names....names...what's a good name based on what we know?
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idea of another trilogy, a trilogy for an older indy.
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he said last spring that if they didn't do it in '08, he was going to be too old to do it. I'm sure that was partially him just being flip and that with enough $$$ people will do most anything, but I'm not sure they want to do three more movies.
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would love this to kickstart a new "franchise" (younger Indy? Indy Jr's adventures?) that they could milk ala SW Prequels or LOTR for a while.
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Is there a better choice than Indy for a property with positive buzz, built-in fan base, and loads of nostalgia?
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So what do we have for themes? We have the cold war (One location could have Indy going to the Soviet Union or Soviet held territory at one point) We have the corruption brought about by the thirst for power, ultimately proving the undoing of those who do not properly respect it (Well we have that in all of the films). We have some sort of conceit about aliens perhaps as a red herring. I think he have an aging Indy who is becoming more like his father was portrayed in the last film. Look they've said that Indy's age would be addressed directly, I think Indy has chosen to hang em up and settle into his professorial days, and is somewhat reluctanly brought into the action at first, only to fully adopt his badass persona to the delight of us all as he finally dons the hat and that theme music kicks in at the right time. So this sort of explains the grey hair to those getting upset about that. It also explains why Indy is being dragged around on the back of a bike near his workplace. You see the action has to come to him at first. We've got something about a pharaoh, a crown and 13 crystal skulls. I think we'll get some commentary about the lunacy of the cold war and how the russians and americans arent so different and the only real baddies are traitors who keep flipping sides for their own personal gain. Some baddies may prove to be not so bad as well. Is Blanchet really on the wrong side?, or simply part of an American plan to get the one man who can locate the skull into the action. No titles leaping to mind right now, but I think I'm fleshing out realistic concepts and plot points given what JettL93 would have us believe.
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I may just print that and ponder titles over the 4th. ;-) Right now no titles jump at me, but something about deceit and the power of the crystal skull crowns (what DOES it do, exactly?) But then, we don't really know what the Ark specifically did either...besides eletrocute and melt people.
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we'd all be okay with her as Indy's daughter.
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stop worrying about him. It's not anything I'm thrilled with, but there could be much worse to worry about. Did that Mac kid ruin Die Hard 4.0? Did ShortRound really make or break Temple of Doom (not "did he make a difference", I mean "did he make it a much better or worse film") Shia is not going to hurt this film. Certainly not if he and Ford end up having good on-screen chemistry. That's what really matters. That's what they need between those two characters- regaless of who is playing them.
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fuck proofreading!
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i have no doubt that production is underway; the pictures do not lie, and jett seems on the level. however, i just have a gut feeling that this production will be abandoned part-way in. either there will be a catastophic event (a la the gilliam don quixote flick), or the plug will get pulled by studio or producers (escalating production costs leading to warfare between the camps- almost happened to titanic). it's nice to think about, and the casting and plot points are interesting to say the least, but I honestly believe this flick cannot happen. give me a taeser and i may change my tune, but until then....
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I know prodcution just got kicked off, butit would indeed take something catastrophic to stop this film from hitting theaters. And I mean HUGE. Even The Crow made it to theaters and got two sequels and Brandon Lee got killed halfway through shooting it.
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Thanks finky. If you start to put things realistcally together given all the info we have you can start to see an actual film in your head. Maybe I'm way off but Jett has me going in certain directions that all seem plausible right now. Agreed, Mutt might have been even more intersting had it been a female. However, I think the creative team thought that would lead to weird implications and complications. Perhaps Mutt is germane to the plot, as he has info from his mother or grandfather that everyone seeks about the location of the skull. When he turns up looking for Indy's help, all hell breaks loose. He's heard all about Indy and wishes Indy were his father all these years, in some way in his twilight years Indy is wishing the same. Mutt's an overzealous rookie, who's ineptitude leads to very elaborate action sequences. His unearned arrogance is a folly of youth and leads to serious trouble. Hey that character sounds perfect for Shia to me. So I've explained the grey hair, Shia's casting, why Harrison would be riding bitch on a bike and I've tied into Jett's plot outline. Like I said, this is kinda fun and i thank Jett for that much at least.
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a Speilberg (a man who manages to shoot films so efficiantly he normally comes in under squedule) film, produced by George Lucas, sating Harrison Ford, Shia LaBeouf, Cate Blanchett and more is going to be pulled after all the pre-production and shooting that has already been done?What kind of world do you live in?
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Which is why I also appreciate all that Jett's given us. food for thought and all that. And yeah, I've got kind of a similar movie coming together in my head. And it makes me think the role really IS suited okay for Shia. I'll give titles some thought and either come back Thursday with somethign to share, or wait until the next Indy TB if this one's fallen off the charts by then. See you guys Thursday.
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either he's in denial that this could actually happen or he's such a pessimist that this film can't live up to his expectations, he'd subconsciously rather not see it made at all. But that's just my 1.5 cent armchair psychology. I'm outta here
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Having just thought more about it, one genius plot device of the parts I and III is that someone else has done most of the work that Indy only needs to complete. This eliminates the need for excesive exposition and gets us right into the action. Shia being at least a conduit for the information makes perfect sense, ala the diary in Last Crusade. Shia also serves as the surrogate kid and bridges Indy to his relevant past with Marion and Abner. So in a way it does help Indy come full circle with his life. Even though Indy connected with his real father in LC, it was in fact Abner Ravenwood who served as Indy's father figure for many years, the man he patterned himself after. Their falling out and his inability to make it work with Marion are blemishes on Indy's life he wish were made right somehow. Enter Marion's foolish kid, with Indy getting the chance to put all that right by acting as surrogate during an incredible adventure. This is making too much sense. It's true to Indy's story, it links to Raiders (which the film makers said they were doing) and gives us some sort of excuse to even have another Indy film.
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Please take a look at my posts, I've had some ideas based on what you've told us and a few of us are thinking about our own titles given that info. We also have a few questions about story locations.
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Another idea: given the creative teams fondness for real history as a backdrop, does it not make sense that such a monumental event as the launch of Sputnik I and II took place in the year our story takes place. Remember how the amulet in Raiders had to be placed on a staff of a certain length, at a certain time in a certain place. Well if you have 12 crystal skulls and you have some recepe for figuring out the location of No. 13, do they also have to placed somewhere high at certain time in a certain space if you will? Sounding a bit kooky but I just have a hunch about the events taking place in 1957, how the Russians were beating us in the space race and what sort of power these skulls would pocess. Nuclear proliferation was one part of the cold war, but space was another very important aspect to it all in 1957.
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don't get me wrong; i want this to happen. the ij flicks are as much a part of the american experience as anything else, and, based off of speculation and such (thanks again, jett, finky, et al), this sounds like a worthy successor to the trilogy. however, and this may be to do with the clusterfuck of mad max 4, i still have this gut feeling; call it pessimistic denial :)
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he's the russian eyepatch guy on lost.
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Nice analysis. Having done a year's worth of university screenwriting classes just recently, I completely get what you're saying about this film appearing to have the "Indy formula". B/c that's exactly how the Indy films are able to jump right into the action and it completely jives here that Abner would provide the info to Jones that others have already set up for him, and now they need him to swoop in and save the day. It makes Abner's role important, but not so huge that he needs to share top billing with Jones. the Sputnik connection is interesting. Would almost seem anachronistic to have "space talk" in an Indy movie, but I can actually see it working well. Indy is almost as much an explorer as professorial archaeologist, and with space being the next unexplored frontier- a wide open and exciting possibility, especially in its infancy when people thought itd be only a few decades until humanity started living in space- I can see positioning the US as a leader in the "space race" as "the good guys winning". although, it could be we see that neither USSR or US are good or bad here, b/c McCartyism was pointless and stupid, and the only bad guys are the traitors, or whoever.
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Indiana Jones and the Pharaoh's Prophesy Indiana Jones & the Crown of Destiny Indiana Jones & the Crown of Fire Okay, this ain't much, but it's just sort of the beginning of the brainstorming. What we really need to know is what the Macguffin (the pharaoh's crown thing) is called in the film (the "cup of Christ" was "the Grail". The "Ark", well that was a little self explanatory.) And poeticwarriorII, I haven't seen DH4 yet myself, but what I've heard from friends and read in reviews is that the Mac kid, althoough nobody's favorite part of the film, was NOT something that caused the most disdain for the film. Yippee-kay(Gunshot)! G'night folks. Happy brainstorming.
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It has to be an Indy set. National Treasure is all stuff that happens in the US, not south american temples. and what about the domain name for Pharaoh's Crown not being registered? Just not part of LF's strategy? And is sunrunner onto something up there or what? thanks again for all your info. You're making this quite fun and the anticipation for Indy 4 a little more unbearable each day! Happy 4th all you Yanks!
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Yeah good stuff finky, I hope Jett takes a look because you and i are on the same page here. I certainly dont think Indy is going into space, but there's something about 1957, sputnik, the space race, the cold war, aliens and world domination. The nazi's were hell bent on taking over the world through an overwhelming multifronted attack style. The cold war was fought on differnt fronts, in different ways. What do they hope the McGuffin to give them exactly? It may not be a major plot point, but amongst what we've discussed I just thought I would throw it out there that the biggest news story of 1957 was the Sputnik Program. GL and SS are histroy buffs and I just have a hunch it will at least get a mention. Titles arent bad, guess we still have to know more.
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This cite is full of shit anymore.
Have you people seen this film. NO
Have you seen a second of it.
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JettL93, this is off topic from Indy, but since you had insight into SS's feelings on Superman Returns, and idea what his thoughts are on the way Transformers turned out? I'm not asking what he thinks about M Bay or anything. Just curious to hear what he might have done differently, if anything, seeing the fan reactions to stuff, etc. Or is it irrelevant to SS so long as the movie makes good $?
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Actually I like making people laugh. But this is important stuff to us Indy junkies!
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and he said, "C'mon man, I've got five chins to feed"
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WalterB?
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... and I can prove it. He's said now that INDIANA JONES & THE CITY OF THE GODS was never in use. That's not true. That was the title of the film as recently as a year ago. Not a cover title... the actual title. And when he says there was never a scene in any draft involving nuclear testing, that is absolutely not true. A version of the scene appeared in the Jeb Stuart drafts of the script, and a GREAT version of the scene appeared in the Darabont draft. I'm not reporting that based on hearsay... I've read the scripts. The only draft of INDY 4 I haven't read yet is the one that Koepp is still rewriting at the moment as they shoot.
If he's telling you blatant untruths like this which would suggest he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does, I would suggest you take the rest of this self-aggrandizing stuff he's posting with a giant boulder of salt. -
Well Jett definitely struck a chord with some of us that was actually quite positive somehow. This seperates him from other fakers at least. The GL kid thing to me was very fishy. Why risk upsetting GL if you were actually attached to the production. If someone was trying to make my kid look bad, I would go apeshit on them. It's possible whoever Jett is, he has some sort of access to the script and production but is lying on a number of other fronts. He was the first to suggest certain plot points and they all seemed to make sense and be popular amongst talkbackers.
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... that plot description, he doesn't.
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I'm obviously a big Indy fan and was pretty relieved to hear that perhaps Shia wasnt really his son and that aliens wouldnt be involved. But of course fakers are getting more creative all the time and you have to really disect things if you want or even care for the truth. Truely, if your close to the production and friends of Spielberg, why on earth risk any of that, as much as I would love to believe it. Wikipedia? Come on, I wrote a fake Super Bowl Championship page for the Chargers last year before we got beat by the Patriots, it sat there for hours before I removed it myself. Finky and I had some basic plot elements mapped out based on info from Jett and they kept making sense, maybe too much sense, so again the dude has managed to push some serious buttons one way or another. If the title is indeed Pharaoh's Crown, I will praise the legend of JettL93, but he should learn to spell PHARAOH, it's a before o. Maybe if you had seen this on some official stuff you might take note of the unique spelling. Is there anything else you know Mori that outs Jett as a fake?
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I agree with you for the most part, I've had some fun piecing together some plot elements based on all verifiable info and Jett's plot description. Most of it kept making perfect sense and yet there was a lot still left to discover. It's been a pleasant hoax if that's what it is.
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... none of what you say agrees with what I've heard from the sources I would consider unimpeachable. I can't begin to run everything I know at this point... it would be massively unfair to the filmmakers and the audience both... but based on what I've seen with my own eyes or heard from people I trust completely, I don't think Jett is remotely accurate. And unlike you, people know where to find me once the truth becomes known, so I'm prepared to back up what I say.
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not to be sandy vag here, but you were %100 sure walterb was not the real deal, and had proof to back it up. challange this jettl93 cat to put up or shut up, just like with bruce.
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... no, with Walter B, Harry told me directly "Bruce Willis isn't going to do the Q&A until later. It's not him." And then Harry went to bed. As I said then, that was according to Harry, the only person who had been dealing with Willis.
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Lucas and Spielberg should put him on the payroll because he almost single handedly made me feel much better about this film. No Indy son and no aliens squelched my two biggest fears.
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That's what seems so unique about Jett, he did a hell of a job making us feel better about things. So given what you know Mori, can you at least calm our fears? A vague answer would suffice.
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You mean unlike Jett when you say "unlike you" right? Cuz it sort of sounds like youre almost referring to me and that would be sort of strange.
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... I did indeed mean Jett.
There are not aliens in the way you're thinking of them. Typical little grey men. Flying saucers. Area 51. That's not this film.
If you think more like CHARIOTS OF THE GODS, you're on the right track. 90% of what Jett got right, he took from CHUD's so-far excellent reportage on the film, which is accurate and which I can vouch for in terms of source. Anything "new" he brought to the table, I call bullshit on it. -
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Oh Jetty...good work though bro. Finky, props to ya for keeping this TB alive.Orcus, the prequels lacked magic and any characters to care about. If the name 'Star Wars' wasn't attached to them, I don't think you would even realize they were Star Wars movies because they didn't 'feel' like them. I would say some aspects of the first one worked (most did not), the second one was a complete drag, and some of the third one worked. With Indy 4, I want the whole movie to work, and I do not want horrid dialog. Please.jedimindlfayer - dude, you're crazy.
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I think the title that you came up with that has the most ring to it is Indiana Jones and the Crown of Destiny. That sounds like an Indy title. Make sure your people get in touch with their people.
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You probably have written it somewhere, but what is your overall "feeling" with Indy 4? Is confidence high on your part or just cautiously optimistic?
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The spammer has been wiped clean.
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Jul 05, 2007 9:12:46 AM CDT
see, we, the talkbackers, want to believe you JettL93..
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So we are torn as to if we should take what you are saying with a grain of salt. Is there someway you can appease Mori and satisfy him (and us) that what you have said is legit? As you are already aware, your potential spoilers has gotten a number of us all fired up to discuss Indy.
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and in a more believable fashion, it would have elevated ROTS. His turn was just too easy. And the actors' performances were just not there, nor were there many character to care about. Ewan did a good enough job, but someone else needed to play Anakin. He was bad, just plain bad.
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Well done Mori. I guess Shia not being the actual son of Indy was too much to ask for. As that continues to make the rounds amongst the general public "You mean that little dude from Transformers...no f'ing way is that his kid?" there is going to be that Prequel Trilogy disappointment and disgust hangover for this one to deal with. They've got an uphill battle on their hands. I have faith in Spielberg myself to some degree but the fact that this thing has been through so many scripts and a legendary production hell, well this could be a nutt that just cant be cracked. Some things are best left alone. I'll hold out hope but 2 more Indy's presumably starring Shia? Dear God that is the sort of speculative madness that could kill any good will left on this thing.
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that if they choose to go with two more Indy type movies with Shia, that would be a HUGE mistake. I completely agree with sunrunner on that.
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I have faith in. I always wanted him to be given a Star Wars prequel, mainly ep 3 because I know he could have done something with it, mainly the moments that fell flat or were to rushed - the 1st half of Sith was hardly relevant. But its Ford I'm worried about. In that Indy gear he looked like an older Indy, an Indy that had clearly aged but was still familiar. Its the 1st time I've seen Harrison Ford look like Harrison Ford. But these pics look like the Ford we've been ignoring for the past 10 years or so. I don't mind the grey hair and the older face, but Ford needs to capture Indy in his performance...so my faith in Spielberg is that he has seen something we haven't, he knows something we don't. I don't think he would of done this if he knew it wasn't worth it. Its the closest we will ever get to old school Spielberg, Lucas and Ford. Let us pray....
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Jul 05, 2007 10:48:08 AM CDT
I wanted anyone else to be given directorial duties
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in the prequels...Here's hoping Spielberg has his hand deep into this as opposed to Transformers. We want old school like Eddie Shore!
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A real filmmaker and a real writer, with Lucas just in tow for technical support, this has always proven to be the winning formula. Ford is the least of my worries, sure he's grumpy and humorless and probably the worst talkshow guest in world history, but he's Indy. One great thing that might save us from a PT type disaster in the future is that Harrison is the franchise, you cant replace or supplant him like a prop.
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Jul 05, 2007 11:08:09 AM CDT
let's hope Lucas doesn't digitally replace him then
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That's probably what Harrison does in real life now Orcus!
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Totally agree, I wouldn't want anyone else. I just don't want Ford to think that cus Indy is older that he can't put any effort in. This is the perfect character to get Ford out of his slump. Watching Raiders or any of the films we see a playful, animated and interested Ford that is a joy to watch. That Ford hasn't been seen I would say since Air Force One, maybe abit before that. Ford has the power, I just hope he uses it and Spielberg can find put 80's Ford into his 2007 body.
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in his befuddled regarding henry character, which isn't good. I'm not sure how he couldn't be excited to play Indy again.
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I want to hear the Indy shouts/screams."START THE ENGINE!" "THERES A BIG SNAKE IN THE PLANE!" where is voice goes high pitched. I just want him to embrace it and have fun. To point his finger and do that face when hes angry. To give a cheeky smile when he knows the odds are against him. Its such a great chance, like T3 was for Arnie, for him to shake off the last 10 years and erase them with this 1 film. I do believe in him, but you can't blame me for having doubts.
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Indy doesnt have to be affable necessarily. I mean apart from your rare chameleons like Johnny Depp, most actors play slight variations of themselves (think George Clooney). I just hope there's still crack left in that whip so to speak. When he dons the fedora I wanna see Bad Ass Muthaf'a and not Can I Get the Early Bird Special in time to watch Murder She Wrote
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that would make a great short film, Orcus.
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I'm not sure we'll know if it's early bird special or bad ass that we are going to get. Will they play up his age for laughs (I sure as hell hope not) like they did with Connery? Let's hope he didn't trade in his whip for an umbrella. Oooooh...scare those birds into flight!
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Didn't want this thread to disappear out of the top yet...
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after this TB had been going for a few days. I dig what he's saying about Jett, but frankly, i don't really care so much whether Jett is lying to us or not.
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Qhy don't I care so much about whether Jett's info is true or not? 1) Unlike most of the supposed "insiders" who venture into TBs, he's been genuinely pleasant and positive. 2) Even more importantly, his info has HELPED to build positive buzz for the film, esp over details that might cause fans to worry (title, Shia, aliens, etc) Lucas went through that crap 3 times in the last 10 years. I'm sure Spielberg saw some of it on Transformers. So, whether Jett's info proves out or not, it's doing the kind of PR that I would think the filmmakers would want. 3) Like the guys above have said, Jett's presence in these TBs have brought together some Indyfans and really given us even more stuff to kick around, speculate on, and enjoy. Isn't that one of the best parts of a movie when you're not actually watching it? Discussing it with others who loved it? Besides, even if some of Jett's info conflicts with some of Mori's -info that Mori feels is from "Impeachable" sources- it doesn't mean Jett is trying to decieve anyone. Sometimes people honestly speak misinformation.
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satisfy Mori in terms of him telling the truth so that it would feed the flames of fanboy interest. Perhaps a Crown of Fire?poeticwarriorII, I'm not sure if we've seen enough, one way or another, to determine that this movie will be a disappointment. And apparently Shia is one of the few good things in Transformers, so I'm not too worried about it.
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I have so much work to do today that I only meant to stop by for a sec, but then I saw the black boxes and that "JettL93" had been by again and had to take a gander. They still filming in New Haven this week? Through the 7th, I heard?
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... call bullshit.
Jett's gone from being George Lucas's son to being someone who works for the producer to now being in a position to decide who Lucas will or will not grant interviews to.
Riiiiiiight.
Jett, if you were in a position to tell Lucas who to talk to in the press, I am 100% sure you would not be posting "top-secret details" in our Talkbacks. I mean, come on...
I just wanted to make sure people didn't start investing too heavily in the nonsense you were peddling, but if you're not even going to be consistent in "who you are," then of course I'm going to point it out. Sorry if I've upset you, but one thing I really, really, really don't like are people who take advantage of the excitement of film fans to just lie to them in a desire to be the center of attention.
If you really want to prove what you say, e-mail me, and I'll be able to sort this out quickly. Otherwise, why don't you threaten to have Spielberg beat me up personally next time? After all, you're obviously running the show over there. -
Let me check the New Haven Register newspaper website, and see if they've thrown any new, interesting pics up...
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don't sweat Mori or anyone else who calls BS on you. Anybody who's agenda is to have fun with Indy is okay in my book. The way I see it, I give Jett the benfit of the doubt. ANd if in 6 months it turns out I was duped, then so be it. But I'll still remember enjoying the dialogue with others here, which WASN'T faked. Until you next return, I look forward to hearing more about Indy IV.
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b/c there are certaily some funny things about Jett, too. I mean, his whole demeanor changed as soon as you challenged him. And that's just one of the more subjective things I've noticed. I also wondered why someone who is so close to GL & SS would be giving away details if he thought it would fuck up his job and relationship with them. But, and maybe this is me being an ignorant Indyfan, I love AICN b/c I love movie speculation. And he's certainly brought alot of it to the Indy TBs.
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Perhaps tomorrow they'll be something up. Yup, I think emailing Mori would be the way to go Jett. And I agree finky, it certainly doesn't take away from the discussions that were had in this thread. Since Jett was NOT an asshole my any stretch, most of us can forgive him even if what he told us proves to be incorrect.
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Frankly, if somebody had come to the TBs and tried to work on the negative buzz that started building last year, but in a level headed manner like Jett, I might have actually paid to see TINO this summer. So, I'm happy to have somebody try to keep thing positive on a film for once, especially since it IS Indy IV. If he's wrong and the movie ends up sucking, then he may have gotten my hopes up, but the movie sucking won't be his fault either.
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Or maybe he wants to be on CNN.com... :-)
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Whether his info is "right or wrong" isn't so germaine to me. "Right" and "Wrong" when it comes to information can be a pretty subjective thing. It's the intention that can be "right" or "Wrong" and if a person INTENTIONALLY gives another person wrong information in order to decieve them (possibly for their own aggrandizment), then I'd call that "Wrong". But just b/c someone passes info that may or may not be correct doesn't make them a "liar". Of course, if this was info about somebody "possibly cheating" on another, we'd call it gossipping. But, now I've gotten way off Indy-topic...
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Plus, and I apologize to TF fans, but Transformers is NOT Indiana Jones. When a masterpiece is made like Raiders, there are a different level of expectations/hope that go along with it. It is a proven commodity, one that has provided us with golden cinematic moments. One that we thought was gone forever, but now, ever so hopeful, is back again at a much later date that we wanted or expected. For me, this is like Die Hard 4. Nervous anticipation...with the hope that the result is at least the same: much better than expected results, if not falling a bit short than what it could/should have been.
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eh, probably just as well, don't want to blow my "Indy load" too soon with an overabundance of pics. ;) I was telling my fiance about the possible Indy-info that all of us have been turning over on the TBs this week and, being the "no spoilers" girl she is, says: You're going to know the whole movie before that 1st trailer even hits! So, TBs are once again proving a bit cathartic for me. I did want to be relatively unspoiled (and Indy IV virgin?) for this film, but with the production going now, I'm just getting way too ramped up about it.
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Want to see if he and Ricky Henderson did their "drunken" screening of it this week...
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His was grouped with about a zillion others...Your wife (yup, your wife) is probably right. However, she doesn't realize the power of the dark side (aka talkbacks).
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but I was more looking for scenes in action as opposed to just other pics displaying the 1950's.
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Jul 05, 2007 12:49:58 PM CDT
true, it may or may not hold some sort of significance
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I'm really wanting to see Indy in action...
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what does it mean??? Somebody speculated that there might be a CRYSTAL in that there statue's "skull". But I don't wonder if it's a colleg prank, insigificant to the core opf the plot, unless it's something perhaps "Mutt" was doing, which is why he was on-campus. Though, supposedly Mutt comes to campus specifically looking for Indy, but who knows...
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when I 1st saw it. "Hey, is that Mr. Faber?!"
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Thats when we can judge. Its easy for me to rip Ford to shreds from the photos, but when he moves and talks as Indy, that will be when I can decide. I believe in him, and hope it isn't a film that is about his age, hes too old for this shit, he should retire and become an artifact etc etc and shia takin the piss. If it turns out to be Shia knocking Indy down I won't be happy. I want Indy to put him in his place. "I might be old kid, but one more joke like that and we'll see whos smiling after I've taught you a lesson". Just better dialogue. I believe in you Harrison!!!
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perhaps he sliced off the statue's head.
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http://tinyurl.com/yosz7s
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Agreed that it's footage of Ford that's going to make my mind up on whether he's still up to the job. I, like most peeps was really encouraged by the first pic released by Spielberg of Indy in his full garb, but with the leeking of these new on set shots the doubts have started to creep back. Looking at Harrison in these photo's I cant help but think of Hollywood Homicide and Firewall. An old, tired Ford bereft of the charisma and machismo he possessed in his prime. I know this point has already been done to death, but has anyone seen any evidence of the old Harrison either on the big screen or small over the last 7 or 8 years? Dont get me wrong, I want this film to rock more than anyone. What I dont want is another cherished childhood icon shat on. Oh, and on the subject of JettL93, if people want to knowingly lap up fabricated nonesense, that is their prerogative...
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is that supposedly there won't be much CGI.
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JettL93 has made a lot of noise and like Mori pointed out, what he got right was from CHUD and the rest was BS. I'm with y'all that I liked some of what he was saying and it has been fun but when you pass yourself off as something your not, it's Mori's obligation to let us know the guy is lying. Plus the reference to Lucas' kid to me is just creepy. It was a red flag that the guy was "creating" a character with backstory already in mind for said character.
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The references to Animal House reminded me of how the making of docs on the DVD's said that Karen Allen was considered because they liked her work in... you guessed it. Perhaps there is a reference or two in the film as homage.
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that they considered her b/c of her work in ANimal House. Or are you just the latest JettL93 trying to play on our goodwill toward Landis' surpeb college comedy!!???
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There are a few things that don't site right with the whole Jett thing, but I'm not so ready to write him off as completely fake. The very first post or two, seemed almost possible it could be Lucas' kid. The typing was pretty bad and he seemed a bit naive. I'd expect these thigns from a 13yr old. But I'd also expect a 13yo to probably NOT use his name as his TB handle. I'm 29 and I don't...well, not fully anyway. ;) I used to have another name before it got banned long, long ago. But just because he might have been deceptive about his identity doesn't mean all his info is bogus. And in the end if he was just a slick hoaxster who wanted attention, I guess he got what he wanted. But in some ways, so did those of us who were entertained and enervated by his info.
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It'll help it look alot like the other films.
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For almost 10 years, we've been using the term "Original Trilogy" (in general) to refer to the first three Star Wars films made by GL. Never before has there been another trilogy of films with others that came after it...until this new Indy film. sooo, when referencing the original Indy films, is it confusing to call them the "Original Trilogy"? Or is is a moot point since, at this point, this is only 1 new Indy film, not a new trilogy of Indy?
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OR MAYBE HARRY!!
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... of what I've seen and read and heard so far is optimism. I don't think all three of the INDIANA JONES movies that already exist are great, but I sure do love the character, and I am hoping for the best. I'm hoping Spielberg hasn't already moved on to LINCOLN in terms of where his head is, as I'm hearing. I'm hoping Shia and Harrison have 1/10th the chemistry that existed between Harrison and River Phoenix (in both MOSQUITO and in the way they both worked in CRUSADE, Phoenix mimicking him so successfully). I hope that stitching together several different drafts of the script is working, and that Koepp's onset rewrites are working out. I want INDY 4 to be great fun, and for now, let's presume everything's going to come together the right way.
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haha, no if you watch the making of Raiders on the special 4th disc on the DVD collection, it's mentioned that SS liked Allen in Animal House and felt she had a spunk and a 1930's type quality that he liked. You're optimism is cool, I'm optimistic as well if for nothing else we have Harrison and SS making sure GL dosent take down the ship. I'm definitly in the camp that Jett was totally full of it now, the 13 year old typing stuff was a transparent aspect of the backstory he was trying to create for his character. Like Mori said what he had right he got from CHUD.
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For God's sake it would be great if it turns out Shia is not actually Indy's kid and there isnt even the slightest hint that this thing could continue with little Shia running from boulders. Where o where are the young River Phoenix types now? Shouldnt that have been the template they used to cast the character? I understand casting based more on acting chops than looks, but for the love of all that is holy, Indy is meant to be an old fashioned manly man hero with square jawed good looks, that's a big part of what is so iconic about the character. Dude's kid should be a stud, not a schmuck.
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I'm over Jett at this point, though not sure ALL that info came from CHUD. I read CHUD just about everyday and even though I have been pretty distracted with work (ha!), I don't remember reading some of his "insights" there. Like the fact that Shia may not be Indy actual kid. But whatever. I just can't wait til 08!
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Mori's post read like a prayer. I guess he's the prieslike medium that connects us to the higher levels. Seriously...I like it that with his additional information he can be at least...optimistic. What is it about those onset rewrites, though? As I understand it it's not an uncommon thing to do. Or is it, in this case?
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unfortunately there are no real reports suggesting that Shia is anything but Indy's kid. Everything implied on this site and by Mori is that as far as anyone knows, Mutt is gonna be Indy Jr. Sorry to end on a downer.
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he's not his son.Sorry sunrunner, but I can't let you end this thread in a downer. Especially not after all the hope that had been generated during this TB. :-)
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I would very much like to believe that is the case, Mutt is in no way, shape, or form Indy's son. Nor will he appear as the 'star' of any follow-up movies. I think you should know that we have no ill-will towards you, but could you somehow (without blowing your 'cover') email Mori with some detail that would once and for all prove what you said is true.
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I think El Borak or somebody mentioned that Divoff was cast yesterday, but not being a watcher of Lost, it didn't mean much to me and I was too busy to go research it.
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isn't a big deal (course, you somehow providing "impeachable" proof of something like Shia NOT actually being Indy's son, etc might convince him you're legit.) But in the meantime, feel free to continue updating the few of us here who look forward to discussing Indy details, speculative or not. I know Moriarty feels protective of these Talkbacks and won't necessarily condone my stance, but, well, the "TINO" guy never has been one to easily co-exist with the establishment.
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Got this from your link yesterday pillow (or was it from Orcus?)
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when production moves there next week. Alot less bodies just hanging around/as extras to take pics and report. But, maybe there will be some adventurous sorts on rafts, scouting out the shoot.
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that CHUD doesn't. What country is Hawaii supposed to be in the film? "South America" again?
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But, after Harry got that e-mail from "Rorschach" earlier this week, I sent "Rorschach" an e-mail of my own and have had several e-mail exchanges with "him". Then, last night I got this: instructions.need to find mask killer.help spread word.see how. http://rorschachsjournal.com/ .RR. Looks like Zach Snyder's guys want us to do their guerilla marketing for them.
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I couldn't scroll back up to check when i was posting it.
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jett IS full of crap. Cool to hear that the refrigerator scene made it into the darabont draft. I really thought the build-up to that scene in jeb stuarts saucer men script worked nicely. (not so much the actual event) I hope it stayed in the final.
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And since we've all heard about it by now, somewhat anti-climactic.
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Jul 06, 2007 12:24:03 PM CDT
it was my link finky...but the topic was from the day
by just pillow talk
before (Batman's new buddie). Just so happened that the link got updated with Indy stuff today. Um, just like my master plan? ta-da!
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and JettL93, I am impressed by your ability to put things together from many various accounts of what the true Indy IV script might be, but you need to e-mail Mori and put all this speculation to rest. Anyways, you have made talking about this film very exciting. I just finished watching all of the Indiana Jones films over the last week and I must say I hope that SS stays true to the character of Indy. The films have always been INDIANA JONES in .....(Who gives a rat ass). Basically, the films are about Indiana Jones, not Shia, or Ray Winstone, or Cate Blanchett, or Nazis, Commies, etc. Make this film about INDIANA JONES, the professor, eminent Archaeologist, and adventure seeking fool. He is a James Bond type character in which there will always be a different girl, sidekick, etc. This is my prayer. I hope it is answered.
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Otherwise, we need a new article AICN.
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I just figured your time machine was in the shop Orcus! See Jett, if you can get Orcus to remain in the present for so long, the very least you can do is come clean with Mori and settle it.
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then I would think that they are chasing Indy, and that someone got to the clue that resided in the statue before the baddies, but not Indy. That's my guess.
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Someone got to the clue before either side. May be it was Abner and may be Abner sends his son to get Indy before the Russians start to chase him, because the Russians think that Indy actually has the said item in question.
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Good to have you in the present anyways Orcus.Yeah scifi guy, Abner may be the one that has the clue, and that leads Indy (and probably the Russians) to Abner, which leads to another 'action' scene.Oh, and Orcus, most of the non-Transformer TB's are civil.
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I was assuming it was Indy being chased by the Russians.
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Indy sees Abner for a split second in a crowd. He goes into the crowd to see who it is, and before he gets there, some Russians start to talk to him dressed in regular clothes to disguise themselves. Indy has no idea what is going on, and some kid grabs him who we later find out is Abner's grandson. The Russians think Indy is in league with Abner, who has this "Artifact." Indy is totally oblivious to what is going on and thrust on the back of a motorcycle being chased by a new villain pent on World domination. After this chase, he tells the kid to slow down and asks him what the hell is going on and who is trying to kill him this time. These are some of my ideas.
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You have gained a lot of respect here just now. All the power to you my friend.
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Disregard my post that followed your post about contacting Mori (timing of posts).
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I suppose they can have his mini adventure before, which leads into him teaching, and then this chase seen. But I think think this is what would kick off his adventure, since he's older. Kind of being pulled back into the adventuring biz as it were.
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Actually, I don't think Indy is responsible for the headless statue.And I didn't pick up on it before, but Orcus must not be at work since tinyurl is your friend...
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but Indy in it. I believe it's a rule that all mini-adventures in Indy movies must feature said title character.
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It could be a flashback mini-adventure to a younger Abner and Indiana working together to find an artifact. Remember The Last Crusade.
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Now, if I remember correctly, at some pointm I believe Jett indicated that this scene with Indy and Mutt was part of the 'mini-adventure' in the beginning. But I need to go back and confirm that. It's interesting that there have been no reports (that I've seen) about shooting any scenes WITH the statue. That leads me to beleive the head is gone by the time we first see it on screen.
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In fact, now that I remember something else Jett told us, he said that the opening "mini-adventure" would feature Indy on an archaeological dig looking for something. I beleive he made this comment when responding to the question of "Dinos" in the movie. He said there WERE dino BONES at the dig Indy is at in th beginning, but that Indy's looking for another artifcat at the dig, not dino bones.
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And thanks for the wink on the Aztec Temple question. ;-)
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into the statue? Once he sees the person from his past, figures that person is looking for that artifact, goes to get it...and poof, statue head and artifact gone.
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But it IS amazing that you've stayed in our continuum for so long. Things reall are much more civil when nobody's shouting "TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO!" the whole time. ;)
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I have a feeling that whatever's in that statue, Indy didn't know it was there before this very scene they were shooting. It's interesting to me that there doesn't seem to be any shots of Indy, etc WITH the statue.
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but I don't think it'll be Abner that he recognizes. Not if Jett's info is true, b/c Jett indicated that Indy would see an "old villain" from his past.
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Check TB "33159#comment_1591769" "During the opening of the film, there is set to be a scene involving a dino dig and indy looking for another artifact when he runs into some baddies, and theres a chase through the dig site...i think that what the guy above was trying to say about dino's in the beggining. but don't worry they are not live dinos..." Maybe that's the mini-adventure? It could have nothign to do with the Crystal skulls de la Pharaoh.
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Okay, so if I'm understanding this correctly, this "Pharaoh's Crown" had thirteen crystal skulls in it. But the "ancient powers that be" broke it apart when said Pharaoh tried to use it to "rule the world". Years later, the skull is found by Abner Ravenwood and put into the "Ark warehouse" (before the Ark was there, though). What if, and this is a big "what if", in an effort to make it as difficult as possible for anyone to ever regain the power of the Pharaoh's Crown, parts of it -specifically the crystals- were hidden around the world? Thus, one got put into this statue; another is buried near this dino dig?? Etc, etc. Perhaps there's also some other part that is needed, which requires Indy (or the Commies) to seek out this Aztec Temple toward the plot's climax. all just thoughts...
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Heaven Help Us had the guys snkae a head from the Saint as a "cheer up" gift for one of their buds .... But possibly the skull could be in the statue - not sure. I'm thinking, like stated above, that Indy hears the clamour outside, checks it out, see Abner, scratches his head, somehow gets in the middle and is wisked away by Shia. That sounds like the way it may go. Also, the dino bones at the dig .... I'm thinking some sort of burial ground ala "Lost World" (the book) with the jeep chase thru the rib cage bones of the dead dino bones.
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And Magnus was Toht's vengeful illegitimate son.
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remember correctly. Shit. I'm a big reader but I swear they were the plot to one of the books. Maybe not.
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I thought Jett first made it in the Indy IV Production Diary TB from 6/26, but I can't find it. (Maybe Orcus can?!) I found people talking about it, but perhaps it came from the production diary itself? Wow, not quite 30 and the memor's already going.
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"Good Bye, Doctor Jones".
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I've only read two Dirk Pitt's, but I have a friend who's read them all and they always seemed reminiscent of a modern-day Indy to me.
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but I personally think it'll be someone we haven't actaully see on-screen before. Jett mentioned somewhere (I think in the last Indy TB) that it would not be somebody from the movies, but possibly a videogame(?)
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see ya on Monday?
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Jul 06, 2007 3:57:31 PM CDT
Ditto Finky. That's the only reason I ever read them ..
by kinghenryviii
Until the last 2 when he intoduced Dirk's kids (twins) and I got the crappy lump in the stomach - always get that "shark jump" reaction when kids / brothers are intoduced. it was nothing as bad as the last season of 24 with jack's brother, mind you, but almost as bad. I do dig, however, how Dirk usually "offs" the bad guy in a pretty good violent way.I don't want to be a downer on such a fun / positive TB but I hope Jett is right and the son thing ain't what's going to happen.
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I'll have to wait and be surprised or cheat and read it - HOPEFULLY HERE MORI!It's like Christmas Eve - can't wait! Jett! Did Mori write back? I need another black box to make my day!
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I mean, they did it in Animal House (set in the 60's). I thought perhaps it factored in to the plot b/c there's a big anti-Communist rally going on. Perhaps the COmmies are blamed for defacing this statue too (don't know who the statue is supposed to be). Indy comes out to investigate the rally, see and takes interest in the beheaded statue, then sees the "old villain", Mutt comes in and the pursuit begins. Of course, we still don't know who's pursuing who. But I would be it is Indy that is being pursued. Those shots seem to suggest they are fleeing more that chasing.
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where was the other party? I mean, if there is somebody chasing them, or they're chasing somebody else, where were they? Did you see/read anything about another set of people? I didn't. I wonder if that was more of Indy being spirited away by Mutt somewhere, maybe b/c the baddie were looking for him.
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Moriarty.
I also hope Jett is right about Mutt as Indy's son being toyed with throughout, only to reveal he ain't in the end. Not only does it play upon Indy maybe thinking for the first time in years that he has a son (!) to pass things on to and take after him, but it also presents a reason why Indy might be helping Mutt if he thinks "Hey, this might really be my son". -
Jul 06, 2007 4:07:13 PM CDT
I think he's breaking up the fraccas, gets a few punche
by kinghenryviii
s tossed his way and Shai swoops in, maybe not aware of what's up but just that Indy is getting his ass beat and tries to help an old man out. From there they team up? As for the statue .... pretty sure no one would errect a statue celebrating a commie but possibly someone who oppossed the party as a prank. There were "secrect" organizations - little pods - popping up .... could be one of them?
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defacing the statues. Yeah - want to see pics of the bad guys. I think Shai saves him from a beating when things get out of hand, we find out that Abner sent him - watching from far away or something? to grab Indy and get him out of trouble and from there they meet up - Abner, pressumably dead, and Shai.
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C'mon - please spill some beanage!
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;) Sorry, I wasn't clear on the statue thing. I meant that the COmmies were being blamed for beheading the statue (perhaps it's of some pro-capitalist founding father of the university?) But the secret society thing is an angle I hadn't thought of. Would make sense that they might hide a rare crystal in the head of an innocuous statue!
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We await your verdict, sir.
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Well Jett I have to chime in here. If you've seen so much promotional material, dont you think you would have learned to spell PharAOh by now, you've spelled it PharOAh in all your posts. It's a before o man. I gotta know if Mori received anything from Jett here. I'm sure the answer is obvious but I gotta here from Mori.
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So,JPT and JettL93 you there? What do you think of the latest ideas we have come up with.
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Or hear from Mori of course
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on Monday
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has over 2,000 posts? I haven't checked in there for about a day or so.
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Give us something to TB on Monday SS & GL. Please Mori, let us know what is going on.
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It is a lovely human trait.
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Keep the faith.
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it's surely been TINO. Guilty as charged, here. Which is all the more reason I was SO ready for Indy to come along. Now that there's actual news to report, we won't have 1,500 post TBs parodying the "Indiana Jones and the old Age Joke" titles. Which were funny at first, but now that the movie is obviously happening, who wants to waste their time with that when there's real stuff to speculate about. Like What is with that STATUE?
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I'll keep this going for a few more posts, but I'm not holding my breath. There's always The Zone- though I never really use it except to PM people.
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I think the spelling you're looking for is 'hear'... not 'here'.
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even though we could obsess over it for hours...and sorta have.
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I'm willing to give Jett the benefit of the doubt on the misspelling of Pharaoh. It's one of those words people misspell and don't realize it. Plus, I'm guessing he knew we'd be able to follow what he was saying without caring whether he was spelling it correctly (Proofreading and Talkbacks go together like water and oil.)
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Jul 06, 2007 4:53:30 PM CDT
Didn't mean Indy gets his ass beat - just a good pummel
by kinghenryviii
to get him pissed off and thus, kick some ass.Agreed, the statue is more then likely a little thing.As for the Commie bug hunt - I was thinking it might be like the part of The Good Shepard where his teacher has some pro communist ties and thoughts and they meet in secret BUT this little group could be just the tip of the iceberg (as they say) and might be part of the civil disobedient act going on outside of the school office.All the specualtion about trying to find parts to parts to parts of puzzels .... smelling DaVinci Codeish to me - but toss in some good ol action from the man in the hat and I'm there! Now there's a thought - Da Vinci Code adapted to be the next Indy adventure - but add some serious action - might be good.
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Thanks dude. I corrected it myself in my next post if you were paying attention, about 20 minutes before you posted. Point was Pharaoh is a unique word, I just think Jett would have taken notice of it's spelling had he actually seen it on promotional material. I do understand that technicalities are not what's important, but it was worth noting.
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I was too busy this afternoon to check out the New Haven paper site myself, so I'm glad somebody did get too. I'll have to try and check it out this weekend.
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Why do I get the feeling we'll have to wait until his "unimpeachable" source is back in the office Monday?
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... I haven't gotten any e-mail from you yet. Let's try it again, though, just in case you sent it somewhere incorrect. Use MoriartyAICN at Yahoo.com, okay?
My biggest issue right now is that his mythology he keeps describing for the crystal skulls is totally wrong. The crystal skulls aren't some made-up horseshit... there is actual mythology surrounding them. They are real artifacts, their origin shrouded in mystery. They exist. And they didn't come from some "pharaoh's crown," either. They have never been tied to Egypt, and that's where the pharaohs lived. So right away, it doesn't connect properly. Still, I'll happily look at whatever he sends, if he actually sends it. -
comes from some pre-civilization race and was found in central or south america.
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Apparently many of them were crafted with a level of artistry and detail totally beyond the technology these stone age civilizations had at their disposal. Leading many people to suggest an alien origin. Going back to the filming of Indy 4, does anyone know if where they're shooting in Hawaii could realistically double as the rain forests of south america? That would be in keeping with the whole crystal skull/mayan/aztec theory.
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It worked in Raiders, didn't it?
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Til the next one, friends!
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The one he gave out here on July 7? Damnit, I was hoping to see a resolution to this before this TB "goes away"
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... and I've gotten no e-mail from you. At all.
Once again, if you'd like to get in touch with me, you just have to use the MoriartyAICN at Yahoo.com address. There are no filters on it that would prevent the mail from reaching me.
I've even run a search of my spam folders using the e-mail address you signed up for talkback with. Nothing's been sent to me from your account. -
Oh, and Jett, can you comment on Quint's talkback thread saying that Indy is coming "full-circle" with the Ark playing a role yet again in the fourth installment?
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Hee hee heee. Jett was such a tool
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